Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
It's included in wordpress feeds already. - but I dont think it is in blogger feeds On Jan 31, 2008 1:12 AM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed: http://sull.blip.tv/rss item guid isPermaLink=false9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011/guid linkhttp://blip.tv/file/586535/link titleWhat is it that's driving this?/title [...] wfw:commentRsshttp://blip.tv/comments/?attached_to=post592232amp;skin=rss/wfw:commentRss commentshttp://blip.tv/file/586535/comments /item wfw, as in wfw:comments, stands for well formatted web spec is as mentioned here: http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ comments being part of the original RSS 2.0 spec. It appears to be the url to the page where you can make a comment. So... Basically we have the start of a potential working ecosystem. The next question is who else supports this? Wordpress? Blogger? Moveable type? Feedburner? If not already a part of Wordpress could it be implimented with a plugin or added to an existing plugin from SIAB or that which david meade just created? Will have to do more research. -Mike On Jan 31, 2008 12:16 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and i just checked blip feeds and... good on them ;) it's in there. On Jan 31, 2008 12:10 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For starters, their should be wide adoption of WFW - Well-Formed Web wfw:commentRss namespace element. http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ http://www.sellsbrothers.com/spout/default.aspx?content=archive.htm#exposingRssComments On Jan 30, 2008 10:56 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that complex though to track comments. You follow the permalink. You parse the page one time... you look for the comment RSS most platforms have them now. You display all or part of the comments in the aggregator... maybe as trackbacks, you just take them into account in the aggregator as ranking info, display them with the other comments and on site activity... maybe you simply say 8 more comments at joevlog.com. This last idea in particular is a personal favorite of mine because it simultaneously drives traffic back to the vlog while adding value to the aggregator. There in fact may be packages / API's out by now on for tracking blog comments... there are certainly meta standards, at least one documented micoformat for comments. There are of course potential partners. I've chatted with the guys at co.mments.com. They're huge potential for them to licensce their technology. It actually makes much more sense then running a single webservice for them... because obviously mefeedia and other specialized aggregatory communities don't compete directly or even indirectly. But... partnership is probably not necessary... because like i said... comments are very widely standardized around blogging packages these days. Of course there's still cooler things... there's tracking... which posts/ blogs are linking in the content to which posts. It's meme tracking... like techmeme.com and megit.com. Tracking the conversations in the vlogosphere. All that data is already in mefeedia's DB... all that need be done is to process it. The combination of these two types of tracking could light a fire under the vlogosphere and of course it's implied that it'd light a fire under the webservice that did such a thing just like it's done for companies like techmeme and dozens of others. What's more... it's organic unlike digg... and embraces an open ecosystem unlike youtube. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Jan 30, 2008 9:44 PM, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're working on putting technology in place - a new Video Search Engine - that will hopefully enable the tracking of video responses across vlogs. The problem is extremely complex as there are many variations on formatting, blog post URLs, embedding, etc. It will be interesting to do some small experiments such as apply the technology to a hot conversation that becomes threaded / moves in many different directions. Regards, Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet work David, Jay and everyone who worked on it. Now all we need is 3rd party services, i.e. aggregators and meme trackers to start tracking video comments as well as simply RSS feeds. This has long been one of the biggest failings of aggregators. it' not just about the RSS... it's about the
[videoblogging] Looking for people to invite to Vlog Europe '08
Hi everyone - Now that we've set dates (October 18-19, Budapest), I'm/we're looking to invite people (or for you to contact people) to let them know when and where the event is. Here's some ideas foe the kind of people we're looking to invite: 1. Contacts in Hungary are critical (I saw your Tweet Bicycle Mark) 2. People you would LOVE to have there 3. WOMEN 4. People from countries we haven't seen represented 5. EU Bloggers that use video, but wouldn't necessarily call themselves videobloggers 6. Anybody that you think would make a good vlogger. 7. Anybody you think has something to add to the weekend. People feel special when they're invited, or that some people who wouldn't come otherwise would. Any help you can give me here is most welcome. Cheers, J -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Blogger just recently allowed commentors to check a box fo follow comments via email. Havent any idea what you guys' are taling about, but... I love it when the coders get all excited. :) Jan On Jan 31, 2008 7:22 AM, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's included in wordpress feeds already. - but I dont think it is in blogger feeds On Jan 31, 2008 1:12 AM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed: http://sull.blip.tv/rss item guid isPermaLink=false9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011/guid linkhttp://blip.tv/file/586535/link titleWhat is it that's driving this?/title [...] wfw:commentRss http://blip.tv/comments/?attached_to=post592232amp;skin=rss /wfw:commentRss commentshttp://blip.tv/file/586535/comments /item wfw, as in wfw:comments, stands for well formatted web spec is as mentioned here: http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ comments being part of the original RSS 2.0 spec. It appears to be the url to the page where you can make a comment. So... Basically we have the start of a potential working ecosystem. The next question is who else supports this? Wordpress? Blogger? Moveable type? Feedburner? If not already a part of Wordpress could it be implimented with a plugin or added to an existing plugin from SIAB or that which david meade just created? Will have to do more research. -Mike On Jan 31, 2008 12:16 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and i just checked blip feeds and... good on them ;) it's in there. On Jan 31, 2008 12:10 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For starters, their should be wide adoption of WFW - Well-Formed Web wfw:commentRss namespace element. http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ http://www.sellsbrothers.com/spout/default.aspx?content=archive.htm#exposingRssComments On Jan 30, 2008 10:56 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that complex though to track comments. You follow the permalink. You parse the page one time... you look for the comment RSS most platforms have them now. You display all or part of the comments in the aggregator... maybe as trackbacks, you just take them into account in the aggregator as ranking info, display them with the other comments and on site activity... maybe you simply say 8 more comments at joevlog.com. This last idea in particular is a personal favorite of mine because it simultaneously drives traffic back to the vlog while adding value to the aggregator. There in fact may be packages / API's out by now on for tracking blog comments... there are certainly meta standards, at least one documented micoformat for comments. There are of course potential partners. I've chatted with the guys at co.mments.com. They're huge potential for them to licensce their technology. It actually makes much more sense then running a single webservice for them... because obviously mefeedia and other specialized aggregatory communities don't compete directly or even indirectly. But... partnership is probably not necessary... because like i said... comments are very widely standardized around blogging packages these days. Of course there's still cooler things... there's tracking... which posts/ blogs are linking in the content to which posts. It's meme tracking... like techmeme.com and megit.com. Tracking the conversations in the vlogosphere. All that data is already in mefeedia's DB... all that need be done is to process it. The combination of these two types of tracking could light a fire under the vlogosphere and of course it's implied that it'd light a fire under the webservice that did such a thing just like it's done for companies like techmeme and dozens of others. What's more... it's organic unlike digg... and embraces an open ecosystem unlike youtube. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Jan 30, 2008 9:44 PM, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're working on putting technology in place - a new Video Search Engine - that will hopefully enable the tracking of video responses across vlogs. The problem is extremely complex as there are many variations on formatting, blog post URLs, embedding, etc. It will be interesting to do some small experiments such as apply the technology to a hot conversation that becomes threaded / moves in many different directions. Regards, Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser
[videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Theoretically, aggregating comments RSS should be easier than aggregating mediaRSS - the RSS is typically following RSS 1.0 or 2.0 standards, whereas MediaRSS is all over the place. YouTube actually has a great API for asking for all comments, including video comments, for a video. It uses GData. Does anyone know if Blip has a similar API? I have seen that Blip offers comments RSS for each post, but most of the time the conversations are happening at the vlogs, which have varying support for Comments RSS. It is quite a large engineering effort. Regards, Frank --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blogger just recently allowed commentors to check a box fo follow comments via email. Havent any idea what you guys' are taling about, but... I love it when the coders get all excited. :) Jan On Jan 31, 2008 7:22 AM, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's included in wordpress feeds already. - but I dont think it is in blogger feeds On Jan 31, 2008 1:12 AM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed: http://sull.blip.tv/rss item guid isPermaLink=false9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011/guid linkhttp://blip.tv/file/586535/link titleWhat is it that's driving this?/title [...] wfw:commentRss http://blip.tv/comments/?attached_to=post592232amp;skin=rss /wfw:commentRss commentshttp://blip.tv/file/586535/comments /item wfw, as in wfw:comments, stands for well formatted web spec is as mentioned here: http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ comments being part of the original RSS 2.0 spec. It appears to be the url to the page where you can make a comment. So... Basically we have the start of a potential working ecosystem. The next question is who else supports this? Wordpress? Blogger? Moveable type? Feedburner? If not already a part of Wordpress could it be implimented with a plugin or added to an existing plugin from SIAB or that which david meade just created? Will have to do more research. -Mike On Jan 31, 2008 12:16 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and i just checked blip feeds and... good on them ;) it's in there. On Jan 31, 2008 12:10 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For starters, their should be wide adoption of WFW - Well-Formed Web wfw:commentRss namespace element. http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ http://www.sellsbrothers.com/spout/default.aspx?content=archive.htm#exposingRssComments On Jan 30, 2008 10:56 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that complex though to track comments. You follow the permalink. You parse the page one time... you look for the comment RSS most platforms have them now. You display all or part of the comments in the aggregator... maybe as trackbacks, you just take them into account in the aggregator as ranking info, display them with the other comments and on site activity... maybe you simply say 8 more comments at joevlog.com. This last idea in particular is a personal favorite of mine because it simultaneously drives traffic back to the vlog while adding value to the aggregator. There in fact may be packages / API's out by now on for tracking blog comments... there are certainly meta standards, at least one documented micoformat for comments. There are of course potential partners. I've chatted with the guys at co.mments.com. They're huge potential for them to licensce their technology. It actually makes much more sense then running a single webservice for them... because obviously mefeedia and other specialized aggregatory communities don't compete directly or even indirectly. But... partnership is probably not necessary... because like i said... comments are very widely standardized around blogging packages these days. Of course there's still cooler things... there's tracking... which posts/ blogs are linking in the content to which posts. It's meme tracking... like techmeme.com and megit.com. Tracking the conversations in the vlogosphere. All that data is already in mefeedia's DB... all that need be done is to process it. The combination of these two types of tracking could light a fire under the vlogosphere and of course it's implied that it'd light a fire under the webservice that did such a thing just like it's done for companies like techmeme and dozens of others. What's more... it's organic unlike digg... and embraces an open ecosystem unlike youtube.
[videoblogging] Re: Looking for people to invite to Vlog Europe '08
I fall under #3. :) I have airline miles, and am looking to make a trip to Europe this fall! I really hope I can come--and I hope you guys will keep me from getting hopelessly lost! LOL Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone - Now that we've set dates (October 18-19, Budapest), I'm/we're looking to invite people (or for you to contact people) to let them know when and where the event is. Here's some ideas foe the kind of people we're looking to invite: 1. Contacts in Hungary are critical (I saw your Tweet Bicycle Mark) 2. People you would LOVE to have there 3. WOMEN 4. People from countries we haven't seen represented 5. EU Bloggers that use video, but wouldn't necessarily call themselves videobloggers 6. Anybody that you think would make a good vlogger. 7. Anybody you think has something to add to the weekend. People feel special when they're invited, or that some people who wouldn't come otherwise would. Any help you can give me here is most welcome. Cheers, J -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
YouTube actually has a great API for asking for all comments, including video comments, for a video. It uses GData. Does anyone know if Blip has a similar API? I have seen that Blip offers comments RSS for each post, but most of the time the conversations are happening at the vlogs, which have varying support for Comments RSS. It is quite a large engineering effort. I think the biggest challenge is getting creators to actually make video comments. Youtube has the only video commenting system Ive really seen used. Most times though, people are just linking to their own videos so they can ride out the popularity of someone else's video. Youtube is the the city wall where everyone wheatpastes their flyers. I still find that most of us are creating self-contained little movies. As a community I dont think we've agreed on Fair Use in our own videos. Let's forget Hollywwod for a moment and see if we cant have consensus among ourselves. Can we use use each others video, like we currently use each other's text posts to have a conversation? Im hoping David's video commenting plugin...and the year long Semanal project help explore people posting videos in the comments of a single blog post. Then we can see about Meiser's vision for aggregated video comments. we need concrete examples to play with. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
I've been cautious in this area.. It's a good question. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we use use each others video, like we currently use each other's text posts to have a conversation?
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video-based words? I'm thinking you should be able to pull quotes from both. David On Jan 31, 2008 11:34 AM, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been cautious in this area.. It's a good question. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we use use each others video, like we currently use each other's text posts to have a conversation? -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
From the archives (back in 2005), here's one possible interface for displaying video quotes: http://www.solitude.dk/archives/20051013-0025 It has a big quote mark and a link back to the original. Made with this: http://www.solitude.dk/archives/linkubator/ (choose the 'video quote' option) - Andreas Den 31.01.2008 kl. 12:37 skrev David King [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video-based words? I'm thinking you should be able to pull quotes from both. David On Jan 31, 2008 11:34 AM, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been cautious in this area.. It's a good question. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we use use each others video, like we currently use each other's text posts to have a conversation? -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen http://www.solitude.dk/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
My experience in this realm has been mixed. All along the spectrum from ecstasy to rage. Sigh. Jan On Jan 31, 2008 12:34 PM, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been cautious in this area.. It's a good question. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we use use each others video, like we currently use each other's text posts to have a conversation? Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Feeling vindictive...me too goddamnit
[Psst. Chris. Actors are wacky. Wacko. That's the reason directors get the big bucks: they figure out how to wrangle 'em, how to play Daddy, sister, lover - whatever - in order to get the performance. Yes, and sometimes that means figuring out how to get 'em to show up. As director, that's one - ONE - of your main jobs, yo :) Don't tell Dan I said, K?] Jan On Jan 31, 2008 12:07 AM, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, damn it, now I'm gonna vent. Tim Street has ruined my life. He chose all those others for French Maid TV, not me. My accent was better, my tits were perkier (and real!). That closed minded son of a bitch is the reason that my career is in the shits. What the hell was he thinking? I'm sure the French Maid Tv is going to fail, because, it really doesn't teach anyway. What did I learn from it? That I didn't need Viagra? (not always anyway). I am just burning now. My face is burning. I have a burning sensation when I urinate. Tim Street can burn in hell! That's where I am now. Best to you Chris. I relate to you. And Tim? *^*^ You! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Tim Street tim@ wrote: Don't do it. You might think it will make you feel better but it won't. KarmaKarma I know, you're right. And I probably wouldn't do it anyway, if only because I know that kind of sword cuts both ways. But I'm just so crestfallen. Heartbroken, even. This has just been the latest in a long line of punches to the gut. I'm having serious bad luck bringing projects to fruition, for lack of reliable help (both in front of and behind the camera). But you're right, I should just let it go and count my blessings. I begin shooting a big series on Saturday, with a cast of folks who seem pretty committed. And if ten adorable actresses in scanty atire can't lift me out of my funk, then I should be locked away and doped up. They're not French maids, but don't hold that against them. ;) Anyway, thanks for letting me vent... Chris Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Feeling vindictive...me too goddamnit
Thanks, Jan. :) I'm afraid I was the wacko one, though, for letting myself get strung along as I did, and then fooling myself into thinking it wouldn't end badly. The game playing started early on, and a hundred red flags were not only waving me in the face but clobbering me over the head. I chose to ignore it though, because this actress had a quality that I found captivating. Oh well, I'll learn eventually. ;) Chris --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Psst. Chris. Actors are wacky. Wacko. That's the reason directors get the big bucks: they figure out how to wrangle 'em, how to play Daddy, sister, lover - whatever - in order to get the performance. Yes, and sometimes that means figuring out how to get 'em to show up. As director, that's one - ONE - of your main jobs, yo :) Don't tell Dan I said, K?] Jan
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Looking for people to invite to Vlog Europe '08
Hooray for #3! You were on my list of people to mail. Get me off-list if there's anything I can do to help you find your way to Budapest. I can't direct you through the women-only section of the Gellert Spa, though. ;-) On 31/01/2008, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fall under #3. :) I have airline miles, and am looking to make a trip to Europe this fall! I really hope I can come--and I hope you guys will keep me from getting hopelessly lost! LOL Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone - Now that we've set dates (October 18-19, Budapest), I'm/we're looking to invite people (or for you to contact people) to let them know when and where the event is. Here's some ideas foe the kind of people we're looking to invite: 1. Contacts in Hungary are critical (I saw your Tweet Bicycle Mark) 2. People you would LOVE to have there 3. WOMEN 4. People from countries we haven't seen represented 5. EU Bloggers that use video, but wouldn't necessarily call themselves videobloggers 6. Anybody that you think would make a good vlogger. 7. Anybody you think has something to add to the weekend. People feel special when they're invited, or that some people who wouldn't come otherwise would. Any help you can give me here is most welcome. Cheers, J -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video-based words? I'm thinking you should be able to pull quotes from both. this would be my instinct as well. But the newspaper/book industry welcomes others to quote from their commercial work with attribution, so text bloggers had a positive model to follow. We videobloggers have Hollywood (MPAA) and the music industry (RIAA) as examples for best practices. They have spent millions making sure we know that any use of work is piracy, illegal, walled garden, no. So of course we seem to view our own video work this way. But we dont have to. I know many of us practice Creative Commons which is awesome. But I think a community consensus for Fair Use when having conversations/debate is important. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Working with 4:3 and 16:9 in FCP
I'd like some advice as to how to work with 4:3 and 16:9 in the same project on FCP. All of our old stuff is 4:3 our new stuff is 16:9. Our blip player is embedded at 16:9, and cropped real tight to keep it very neat and clean looking: http://k9disc.com for an example. So, I started a project in FCP. I changed the settings to regular NTSC in Log and Capture, but did not set the project settings in the A/V tab under the FCP menu. So, my footage was 4:3 but the sequence was 16:9. I'm waiting on an encode right now of a 16:9 aspect ratio letterboxed if necessary. I have 2 16:9 clips in the movie, our standard intro and outro. So... Is it going to work? How can I plan for this in the future. It's bound to happen again. Cheers, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments [fwd to semanal list]
fwding to semanal list - I like your idea Jay - what if for week6 (or choose another week) we all post a video, but we also have to post a video comment to at least one person who's posted that week. or use the comment video as your weekly post if you don't want/are too busy to do 2 videos. so we get into the practice of doing it. and can iron out any tweaks that might be needed as there'll be a larger number of people trying it who are on different computers/have different issues. could be a good sample population, plus it'll be cool to reply in video - community building exercise etc. kath VGG list can prob drop off this tangential thread if not on topic On Jan 31, 2008 7:28 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the biggest challenge is getting creators to actually make video comments. Youtube has the only video commenting system Ive really seen used. Most times though, people are just linking to their own videos so they can ride out the popularity of someone else's video. Youtube is the the city wall where everyone wheatpastes their flyers. I still find that most of us are creating self-contained little movies. As a community I dont think we've agreed on Fair Use in our own videos. Let's forget Hollywwod for a moment and see if we cant have consensus among ourselves. Can we use use each others video, like we currently use each other's text posts to have a conversation? Im hoping David's video commenting plugin...and the year long Semanal project help explore people posting videos in the comments of a single blog post. Then we can see about Meiser's vision for aggregated video comments. we need concrete examples to play with. -- http://www.aliak.com
[videoblogging] HV20 Camera Noise
For all you HV20 owners out there, I have a problem (and I know Kent Bye has the same issue) Camera Noise!! Check out all the camera noise in this video I made with the camera: http://vimeo.com/475731 Lots of high-pitched noise obviously this is because the internal mic is so close to the tape mechanism. And obviously, when the room is quiet the auto-gain ettenuator makes that noise even louder. I have used lapel mics to get rid of the noise and that works great, but I want a solution for when I am just filming other people and things. I thought about getting a shotgun mic but I am not sure if it would help as much as I want it to. so I am asking these questions: - does your HV20 camera make this much noise? - what do you do to stop the camera noise? - what kind of shotgun works well with the camera? -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
From the archives (back in 2005), here's one possible interface for displaying video quotes: http://www.solitude.dk/archives/20051013-0025 It has a big quote mark and a link back to the original. Made with this: http://www.solitude.dk/archives/linkubator/ (choose the 'video quote' option) yes. I remember Andreas showing off Linkubator at Vloggercue in 2005. http://vloggercue.blogspot.com/2005/07/summer-of-vlog-what-when-and-where.html he made a really nice interface. I think there were a couple reasons why it wasnt used much. --we werent ready yet. most of us were happy making our own self-contained videos. (youtube hadnt even really happened yet!) --Linkubator uses SMIL which seems to slow things done. i know I have never been a fan. i have no real good reason why not. --i think many of us like to edit quotes INSIDE our own videos. i dont want the quote to be self-contained though obviously this is the more elegant way. again, I think we're just getting to the point where having a video conversation might be possible. someone starts with a video. then others jump in and ad their own videos. there is a comment feed to follow if you want to see it as one big video. Look at http://semanal.org/2008/01/27/week-5-2008-video-commenting-is-live/. No one is really discussing a specific topic, but you can see how a conversation could develop inn one place...while all the videos are distributed. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Hey Josh...not sure how much help I can be with this as I dont have an HV20. That sure is a really bad whine noise you have going there. Do all HV20's make that same noise when using the onboard mic? That's nasty! I've been pretty lucky that my onboard mic on my cam is actually quite good. Granted, I rarely, if ever, use it. I am always using my Rode Videomic with my camera. If I am not using my Rode, I dont really use the audio that my cam captured. The Rode is a great mic however, it's big. When people see me with my cam, it's the first thing they notice. It can be a little intimidating having this big mic on the cam I guess? No matter to me though. The sound I get from it is fantastic. I use it mounted on top of the cam and also use it mounted to the side on a bracket that I attach to my cam. It never fails to give me nice audio. If a Rode is something you are interested in, and the HV20 has a mic port (I cant imagine it wouldnt) then I would recommend it. It's not that expensive. If I remember correctly, it's around $115? Hope that helps. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all you HV20 owners out there, I have a problem (and I know Kent Bye has the same issue) Camera Noise!! Check out all the camera noise in this video I made with the camera: http://vimeo.com/475731 Lots of high-pitched noise obviously this is because the internal mic is so close to the tape mechanism. And obviously, when the room is quiet the auto-gain ettenuator makes that noise even louder. I have used lapel mics to get rid of the noise and that works great, but I want a solution for when I am just filming other people and things. I thought about getting a shotgun mic but I am not sure if it would help as much as I want it to. so I am asking these questions: - does your HV20 camera make this much noise? - what do you do to stop the camera noise? - what kind of shotgun works well with the camera? -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] HV20 Camera Noise
On Jan 31, 2008 1:27 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - does your HV20 camera make this much noise? Wow. Mine does not make that much noise. - what do you do to stop the camera noise? - what kind of shotgun works well with the camera? I've been using the Rhode Video Mic - been pretty happy with it. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/363083-REG/Rode_VIDEOMIC_VideoMic_Camera_Mounted.html - Verdi
[videoblogging] Hijacked 24x7.com domain name. URGENT favor, please...
Hello fellow vloggers, It's a total nightmare. Sometime last night my domain 24x7.com was hijacked, apparently according to Enom someone got into my account and changed the email info and did a transfer. If you know of a way to get the word out that 24x7 is hijacked, perhaps some bigger coverage somewhere I'd REALLY APPRECIATE the help. I posted a message on on of my other domains, registrar.com (which they also tried to hijack, btw) with an email address where I can be contacted regarding the theft. Thank you. And sorry for the interruption. If you know anyone who could run this story on their blog or get it into the MSM that would be of great help. I thank you in advance. r (temporarily using [EMAIL PROTECTED] addy until I get 24x7 back)
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to, well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this: videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts and conversation-starters (sorta like text blogs). Others think of their posts more like an online version of a tv show. And then everything in-between. How do you get consensus on that? Where do you even start (well, besides discussing it here - that's probably a good start)? Good thinking, either way! david (who has to go teach an intro to facebook class for some library managers now) On Jan 31, 2008 1:28 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video-based words? I'm thinking you should be able to pull quotes from both. this would be my instinct as well. But the newspaper/book industry welcomes others to quote from their commercial work with attribution, so text bloggers had a positive model to follow. We videobloggers have Hollywood (MPAA) and the music industry (RIAA) as examples for best practices. They have spent millions making sure we know that any use of work is piracy, illegal, walled garden, no. So of course we seem to view our own video work this way. But we dont have to. I know many of us practice Creative Commons which is awesome. But I think a community consensus for Fair Use when having conversations/debate is important. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] HV20 Camera Noise
- does your HV20 camera make this much noise? Yes. - what do you do to stop the camera noise? Use an external microphone or capture direct to hard drive and skip the tape. - what kind of shotgun works well with the camera? I don't have a shotgun to recommend, but a Canon rep told me that even buying their cheap hotshoe microphone makes a big difference in cutting down on that tape noise because it's not integrated in the camera body. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
[videoblogging] Re: Looking for people to invite to Vlog Europe '08
I, too, fall under category #3 being a Uterine-American and if I can scare up the funds for both US and European Vlogging events, by gum, I shall be there. My passport needs more stamps. Oh, and I like all y'all. Piggybank at the ready, Bekah -- htttp://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone - Now that we've set dates (October 18-19, Budapest), I'm/we're looking to invite people (or for you to contact people) to let them know when and where the event is. Here's some ideas foe the kind of people we're looking to invite: 1. Contacts in Hungary are critical (I saw your Tweet Bicycle Mark) 2. People you would LOVE to have there 3. WOMEN 4. People from countries we haven't seen represented 5. EU Bloggers that use video, but wouldn't necessarily call themselves videobloggers 6. Anybody that you think would make a good vlogger. 7. Anybody you think has something to add to the weekend. People feel special when they're invited, or that some people who wouldn't come otherwise would. Any help you can give me here is most welcome. Cheers, J -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] HV20 Camera Noise
I know it has that advanced hotshoe so I was thinking about getting that Canon DM-50 microphone that works with that... On Jan 31, 2008 2:52 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 1:27 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED]joshleo%40gmail.com wrote: - does your HV20 camera make this much noise? Wow. Mine does not make that much noise. - what do you do to stop the camera noise? - what kind of shotgun works well with the camera? I've been using the Rhode Video Mic - been pretty happy with it. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/363083-REG/Rode_VIDEOMIC_VideoMic_Camera_Mounted.html - Verdi -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to, well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this: videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts and conversation-starters (sorta like text blogs). Others think of their posts more like an online version of a tv show. And then everything in-between. But to take the newspaper comparison further, the NY Times is fully copyrighted...but you can still quote their text in your own work without permission. So i think CC licenses is totally important...but can we have Fair Use if video is being used for criticism, debate, or conversation? Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: Feeling vindictive...me too goddamnit
(A great way to make sure that I show up is to send a car. If you think that a limo for an actor is a perk, no it is just wrangling him to get him there. I also like M and Ms, but not yellow ones. Please remove those.) p.s. Jan, caught up on your blog...very cool D --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Psst. Chris. Actors are wacky. Wacko. That's the reason directors get the big bucks: they figure out how to wrangle 'em, how to play Daddy, sister, lover - whatever - in order to get the performance. Yes, and sometimes that means figuring out how to get 'em to show up. As director, that's one - ONE - of your main jobs, yo :) Don't tell Dan I said, K?] Jan On Jan 31, 2008 12:07 AM, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, damn it, now I'm gonna vent. Tim Street has ruined my life. He chose all those others for French Maid TV, not me. My accent was better, my tits were perkier (and real!). That closed minded son of a bitch is the reason that my career is in the shits. What the hell was he thinking? I'm sure the French Maid Tv is going to fail, because, it really doesn't teach anyway. What did I learn from it? That I didn't need Viagra? (not always anyway). I am just burning now. My face is burning. I have a burning sensation when I urinate. Tim Street can burn in hell! That's where I am now. Best to you Chris. I relate to you. And Tim? *^*^ You! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris cjburdick@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Tim Street tim@ wrote: Don't do it. You might think it will make you feel better but it won't. KarmaKarma I know, you're right. And I probably wouldn't do it anyway, if only because I know that kind of sword cuts both ways. But I'm just so crestfallen. Heartbroken, even. This has just been the latest in a long line of punches to the gut. I'm having serious bad luck bringing projects to fruition, for lack of reliable help (both in front of and behind the camera). But you're right, I should just let it go and count my blessings. I begin shooting a big series on Saturday, with a cast of folks who seem pretty committed. And if ten adorable actresses in scanty atire can't lift me out of my funk, then I should be locked away and doped up. They're not French maids, but don't hold that against them. ;) Anyway, thanks for letting me vent... Chris Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Looking for people to invite to Vlog Europe '08
Send me an email anyways... kitykity at gmail. Suzy --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hooray for #3! You were on my list of people to mail. Get me off-list if there's anything I can do to help you find your way to Budapest. I can't direct you through the women-only section of the Gellert Spa, though. ;-) On 31/01/2008, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fall under #3. :) I have airline miles, and am looking to make a trip to Europe this fall! I really hope I can come--and I hope you guys will keep me from getting hopelessly lost! LOL Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytaylor@ wrote: Hi everyone - Now that we've set dates (October 18-19, Budapest), I'm/we're looking to invite people (or for you to contact people) to let them know when and where the event is. Here's some ideas foe the kind of people we're looking to invite: 1. Contacts in Hungary are critical (I saw your Tweet Bicycle Mark) 2. People you would LOVE to have there 3. WOMEN 4. People from countries we haven't seen represented 5. EU Bloggers that use video, but wouldn't necessarily call themselves videobloggers 6. Anybody that you think would make a good vlogger. 7. Anybody you think has something to add to the weekend. People feel special when they're invited, or that some people who wouldn't come otherwise would. Any help you can give me here is most welcome. Cheers, J -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: thejeffreytaylor@ http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Anybody know what rules live TV news stations play by? I remember seeing a programme about Al Jazeera years ago, and they were watching other stations rebroadcasting their live pictures (probably of the bombing of Bahgdad), and were trying to frustrate this by cutting to their anchor. There are plenty of times we see other networks graphics on such things, some try to cover it with monster sized tickers or bugs, and now I always wonder if theyve licensed the content or are making use of some 'right' to reshow it, or just chancing their luck. I doubt we willg et a clearcut answer to these questions. To me it seems like short extracts of video, or certain probably copyright violations done live, seem to go under the radar, unless the subject is particularly offended and litigious. Thats not good enough a foundation to stride forward with conversations, unburdened by the fear that engaging in quoting will become more of an issue than the substance of the quote, the subject we actually want to have a conversation about. Fair Use will cover certain things but is stretched a bit further than the law probably intends, as people may take the term literally as meaning whatever use they consider fair. Should also bear in mind the Fair Use is not a right that everyone on the globe has, it seems a stronger concept in the USA, somewhat ironic considering all the draconian extensions to copyrights that the USA is associated with. Id be tempted to keep things simple by separating the quoting rights issues, from the idea of video conversations and the hurdles they face. There's lots of other issues to fix, and if we make the assumption that a conversation takes place with all the participants implicitly opting in, quoting rights issues dont seem so relevant. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to, well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this: videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts and conversation-starters (sorta like text blogs). Others think of their posts more like an online version of a tv show. And then everything in-between. But to take the newspaper comparison further, the NY Times is fully copyrighted...but you can still quote their text in your own work without permission. So i think CC licenses is totally important...but can we have Fair Use if video is being used for criticism, debate, or conversation? Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Josh, that's a hell of a whine. I suspect that's not right. I'd definitely consider a service. Doesn't sound good. Haven't experienced anything of the sort on mine. I've been using the same mic as Michael Verdi [ http://rurl.org/h65 ], with good results. And it takes a dead cat wind muff, too. I'm sure you could even strap an actual dead cat to it and things would be dandy. But I haven't tried that yet...but it's only a matter of time. : ) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it has that advanced hotshoe so I was thinking about getting that Canon DM-50 microphone that works with that... On Jan 31, 2008 2:52 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 1:27 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED]joshleo%40gmail.com wrote: - does your HV20 camera make this much noise? Wow. Mine does not make that much noise. - what do you do to stop the camera noise? - what kind of shotgun works well with the camera? I've been using the Rhode Video Mic - been pretty happy with it. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/363083-REG/Rode_VIDEOMIC_VideoMic_Camera_Mounted.html - Verdi -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Im also rather interested in how much the blog' concept hinders rather than helps video conversations. Ive always been a huge fan of well done internet forums/messageboards. You can get longer conversations than Ive ever seen on blog comments, although theres not much difference really. I dont know if the key difference maker is that people who start the conversation on forums, are often not the owners of that space. The responses have the same status as the first post, and its more akin to having a discussion in a public space or neutral ground, than in the starters living room. So maybe a part of effective conversations, comments, communication, is bridging the gap between the shared space of groups, forums, etc, with the personal space of people's own blogs? But as I waffled about previously, every service sems to want to be the hub. The video hosts would love to be the centre of any community built around your video. The social networks would love to, aggregators, directories, networks, community sites, etc etc. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmm yes thats the sort of problem that I was gibbering about in post the other day, if comments and conversations are fragmented across multiple websites, how to piece that all back together again and present it in a sane way. Youtube has it relatively easy due to their large audience, and being a walled garden. Meanwhile we see all sorts of innovative ways to do things with video commenting conversations, but these features are often part of yet another new business/service, that struggles to attract enough users. The biggest social conversational use of video on the net that I have seen so far, is people embedding videos that they did not make or publish to the web themselves, in their own blogs, forum posts, funwalls on facebook or wherever. Simple, crude, effective, limiting in all sorts of ways but easy enough to be done by lots of people. And another demonstration that although blogging RSS feeds aggregators brought many people to the party, the embedded flash video in the browser has been an absolutely massive part of the online video boom of recent years. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton frank@ wrote: I have seen that Blip offers comments RSS for each post, but most of the time the conversations are happening at the vlogs, which have varying support for Comments RSS. It is quite a large engineering effort. Regards, Frank --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Blogger just recently allowed commentors to check a box fo follow comments via email. Havent any idea what you guys' are taling about, but... I love it when the coders get all excited. :) Jan On Jan 31, 2008 7:22 AM, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: It's included in wordpress feeds already. - but I dont think it is in blogger feeds On Jan 31, 2008 1:12 AM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Cool. Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed: http://sull.blip.tv/rss item guid isPermaLink=false9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011/guid linkhttp://blip.tv/file/586535/link titleWhat is it that's driving this?/title [...] wfw:commentRss http://blip.tv/comments/?attached_to=post592232amp;skin=rss /wfw:commentRss commentshttp://blip.tv/file/586535/comments /item wfw, as in wfw:comments, stands for well formatted web spec is as mentioned here: http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ comments being part of the original RSS 2.0 spec. It appears to be the url to the page where you can make a comment. So... Basically we have the start of a potential working ecosystem. The next question is who else supports this? Wordpress? Blogger? Moveable type? Feedburner? If not already a part of Wordpress could it be implimented with a plugin or added to an existing plugin from SIAB or that which david meade just created? Will have to do more research. -Mike On Jan 31, 2008 12:16 AM, Sull sulleleven@ wrote: and i just checked blip feeds and... good on them ;) it's in there. On Jan 31, 2008 12:10 AM, Sull sulleleven@ wrote: For starters, their should be wide adoption of WFW - Well-Formed Web wfw:commentRss namespace element. http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ http://www.sellsbrothers.com/spout/default.aspx? content=archive.htm#exposingRssComments On Jan 30, 2008 10:56 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote:
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
My hv20 doesn¹t make that much noise either. I have the Rode video mic too  but find that it does pick up some camera noise still. I read online about getting an L bracket that will lift it up a bit higher from the body of the camera...anyone know of such a bracket? I once shot indoors with a dying flourescent bulb that made a horrendous noise something like that when the mic picked it up. I was able to get rid of most of it with this FCP plug-in - Mr. Hum by Wave arts. http://www.wavearts.com/MasterRestoration.html Sadly my 30 day free trial expired so am waiting for my next paid gig to buy the software because it was pretty cool. I went with the Rode mic vs the Canon when a post in a forum revealed that with the Rode, you can use it on other cameras that you may have as well, whereas the Canon will only work with the hotshoe mount. And since mics last longer than cameras, you¹ll be able to use the Rode on other subsequent cameras you buy. Thought that was a good selling point. Irene Irene Duma Strange Duck Media ...a good egg [EMAIL PROTECTED] T 416-769-1879 C 416-535-0652 web design and creative marketing blogging easy computer tips http://www.strangeduck.com/blog and comedy at http://www.bittertonic.com On 1/31/08 5:00 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound right. I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case. Couldn't hurt! On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:robert.croma%40gmail.com wrote: Josh, that's a hell of a whine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Just from an audio-geek perspective, if you can figure out the pitch of the hum it should be fairly easy to attenuate it using a notch-filter or parametric EQ in FCP. I used to do this all the time with sixty-cycle hum from old analog equipment. JW On Jan 31, 2008 2:16 PM, Irene Duma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My hv20 doesn¹t make that much noise either. I have the Rode video mic too  but find that it does pick up some camera noise still. I read online about getting an L bracket that will lift it up a bit higher from the body of the camera...anyone know of such a bracket? I once shot indoors with a dying flourescent bulb that made a horrendous noise something like that when the mic picked it up. I was able to get rid of most of it with this FCP plug-in - Mr. Hum by Wave arts. http://www.wavearts.com/MasterRestoration.html Sadly my 30 day free trial expired so am waiting for my next paid gig to buy the software because it was pretty cool. I went with the Rode mic vs the Canon when a post in a forum revealed that with the Rode, you can use it on other cameras that you may have as well, whereas the Canon will only work with the hotshoe mount. And since mics last longer than cameras, you¹ll be able to use the Rode on other subsequent cameras you buy. Thought that was a good selling point. Irene Irene Duma Strange Duck Media ...a good egg [EMAIL PROTECTED] irene%40strangeduck.com T 416-769-1879 C 416-535-0652 web design and creative marketing blogging easy computer tips http://www.strangeduck.com/blog and comedy at http://www.bittertonic.com On 1/31/08 5:00 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]schlomo%40gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound right. I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case. Couldn't hurt! On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma [EMAIL PROTECTED]robert.croma%40gmail.com mailto:robert.croma%40gmail.com wrote: Josh, that's a hell of a whine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound right. I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case. Couldn't hurt! On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, that's a hell of a whine. -- Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://hatfactory.net AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
something like disqus.com, which deems it important to allow data export and not be a walled garden using yours and your commenters content. On Jan 31, 2008 5:01 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So maybe a part of effective conversations, comments, communication, is bridging the gap between the shared space of groups, forums, etc, with the personal space of people's own blogs?
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Feeling vindictive...me too goddamnit
I've had similar problems with promo girls and models. It can sometimes take some work to make sure they show up. And to make sure they remember. (I had a number of no-shows this last weekend when I was at a local Motor Cycle show.) See ya On Jan 31, 2008 1:21 PM, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (A great way to make sure that I show up is to send a car. If you think that a limo for an actor is a perk, no it is just wrangling him to get him there. I also like M and Ms, but not yellow ones. Please remove those.) p.s. Jan, caught up on your blog...very cool D --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Psst. Chris. Actors are wacky. Wacko. That's the reason directors get the big bucks: they figure out how to wrangle 'em, how to play Daddy, sister, lover - whatever - in order to get the performance. Yes, and sometimes that means figuring out how to get 'em to show up. As director, that's one - ONE - of your main jobs, yo :) Don't tell Dan I said, K?] Jan On Jan 31, 2008 12:07 AM, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, damn it, now I'm gonna vent. Tim Street has ruined my life. He chose all those others for French Maid TV, not me. My accent was better, my tits were perkier (and real!). That closed minded son of a bitch is the reason that my career is in the shits. What the hell was he thinking? I'm sure the French Maid Tv is going to fail, because, it really doesn't teach anyway. What did I learn from it? That I didn't need Viagra? (not always anyway). I am just burning now. My face is burning. I have a burning sensation when I urinate. Tim Street can burn in hell! That's where I am now. Best to you Chris. I relate to you. And Tim? *^*^ You! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris cjburdick@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Tim Street tim@ wrote: Don't do it. You might think it will make you feel better but it won't. KarmaKarma I know, you're right. And I probably wouldn't do it anyway, if only because I know that kind of sword cuts both ways. But I'm just so crestfallen. Heartbroken, even. This has just been the latest in a long line of punches to the gut. I'm having serious bad luck bringing projects to fruition, for lack of reliable help (both in front of and behind the camera). But you're right, I should just let it go and count my blessings. I begin shooting a big series on Saturday, with a cast of folks who seem pretty committed. And if ten adorable actresses in scanty atire can't lift me out of my funk, then I should be locked away and doped up. They're not French maids, but don't hold that against them. ;) Anyway, thanks for letting me vent... Chris Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. http://ChangeLog.ca/ Vlog Razor... Vlogging News http://vlograzor.com/
[videoblogging] Best Youtube compression out of Adobe Premiere CS3
After 2 years of constant search for the ideal compression scheme, I have finally come to a solution. If you're using Adobe Premiere CS3 and you edit your footage in 16X9 standard definition, simply do the following. 1. Sharpen the video to the point you see some dotty artifacts appearing in the video (looks like a jpeg still image when highly compressed) 2. Right out of timeline, without even hitting enter to render SD edited material, go to export, adobe media encoder. Once there under format choose Windows Media, and under preset NTSC Source to Download 1024kbps, however, that is not all, we will edit this preset and then save it as a Youtube one for future sweet encoding :) So now, in the video tab... BASIC VIDEO SETTINGS make sure you have the following; Allow interlaced processing - unchecked Encoding passes - Two Bitrate mode - Constant Frame W/H 640X480 Frame rate 29.97 but depending on your footage (some people shoot in 24 frames) Pixel aspect ration (important) - D1 DV NTSC (0.9) this is 4X3 although the original footage is 16X9 BITRATE SETTINGS Maximum bitrate - 3,739.63 (yes under 4mbps) Image quality - 100 ADVANCED SETTINGS Decoder complexity - Main Keyframe interval - 5 Buffer size - Default Now go to Audio tab change Audio format to 192kbps 44 stereo VBR 3. Hit OK on the bottom (you will see that the estimated file size is beyond 100mb allowed by youtube but don't worry, if you go the approach described below all will be fine). Save to file to you har drive. 4. Log in to youtube and at the upload page, on the right hand side you will see a new Multi video uploaded button to upload files larger than 100MB or upload many files at once! That's it! :) If you have achieved better quality using Premiere CS3 I sure would like to hear about it. Thanks Renat of Innomind.org and Mr.Thyself.com
[videoblogging] Re: Best Youtube compression out of Adobe Premiere CS3
I'm confused about changing the aspect ratio for output. Won't the image end up smooshed? Chris --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After 2 years of constant search for the ideal compression scheme, I have finally come to a solution. If you're using Adobe Premiere CS3 and you edit your footage in 16X9 standard definition, simply do the following. 1. Sharpen the video to the point you see some dotty artifacts appearing in the video (looks like a jpeg still image when highly compressed) 2. Right out of timeline, without even hitting enter to render SD edited material, go to export, adobe media encoder. Once there under format choose Windows Media, and under preset NTSC Source to Download 1024kbps, however, that is not all, we will edit this preset and then save it as a Youtube one for future sweet encoding :) So now, in the video tab... BASIC VIDEO SETTINGS make sure you have the following; Allow interlaced processing - unchecked Encoding passes - Two Bitrate mode - Constant Frame W/H 640X480 Frame rate 29.97 but depending on your footage (some people shoot in 24 frames) Pixel aspect ration (important) - D1 DV NTSC (0.9) this is 4X3 although the original footage is 16X9 BITRATE SETTINGS Maximum bitrate - 3,739.63 (yes under 4mbps) Image quality - 100 ADVANCED SETTINGS Decoder complexity - Main Keyframe interval - 5 Buffer size - Default Now go to Audio tab change Audio format to 192kbps 44 stereo VBR 3. Hit OK on the bottom (you will see that the estimated file size is beyond 100mb allowed by youtube but don't worry, if you go the approach described below all will be fine). Save to file to you har drive. 4. Log in to youtube and at the upload page, on the right hand side you will see a new Multi video uploaded button to upload files larger than 100MB or upload many files at once! That's it! :) If you have achieved better quality using Premiere CS3 I sure would like to hear about it. Thanks Renat of Innomind.org and Mr.Thyself.com
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Not used the HV20 per se, but used many miniDV palmcorder types back in school days. What you are describing does sound like tape whir/whine. This is the problem with smaller consumer-type cameras, even really good ones like the HV20. So compact the mic is right there next to the tape drive... First, if you have the ability in your menu system you can turn off auto gain. This will only make your audio pulse and pump as levels change. Sounds awful. Second, if you can afford it get something like a BeachTek box. This device screws into the bottom of the camera on the tripod mount, it has an 1/8 inch jack to plug into the mic in on consumer cameras, and has 2 XLR inputs with the appropriate controls. About $100 US and work very well. Used with an affordable shotgun mic like an Azden it will significantly improve your audio. Poor audio is the one really easy thing that separates good movies from crap ones (speaking as someone who has made a fair few crappy audio crap movies). Of course you could also go to the trouble of getting (wireless) lav system. But not having used one I cant say. Not sure if they have XLR or 1/8 connections. So yes, an eternal mic highly recommended. adam
[videoblogging] Re: Working with 4:3 and 16:9 in FCP
Here are your choices: 1) Use a 16:9 sequence and decide what portion of your 4:3 footage you're going to show, full-screen. 2) Use a 16:9 sequence and use your whole frames of 4:3 footage with black bars on either side. 3) Use a 4:3 sequence and decide what portion of your 16:9 footage you're going to show, full screen. 4) Use a 4:3 sequence and use your whole frames of 16:9 footage with black bars on the top and bottom. Alternatively, you could do what televisions do and use a 16:9 sequence and stretch your 4:3 footage horizontally to reach the edges of the frame. That's what happened when you go into sports bars and the players look fat on the screen. I don't recommend that AT ALL, but it *is* an option. Bill BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like some advice as to how to work with 4:3 and 16:9 in the same project on FCP. All of our old stuff is 4:3 our new stuff is 16:9. Our blip player is embedded at 16:9, and cropped real tight to keep it very neat and clean looking: http://k9disc.com for an example. So, I started a project in FCP. I changed the settings to regular NTSC in Log and Capture, but did not set the project settings in the A/V tab under the FCP menu. So, my footage was 4:3 but the sequence was 16:9. I'm waiting on an encode right now of a 16:9 aspect ratio letterboxed if necessary. I have 2 16:9 clips in the movie, our standard intro and outro. So... Is it going to work? How can I plan for this in the future. It's bound to happen again. Cheers, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Working with 4:3 and 16:9 in FCP
And hotels - don't forget them! They advertise we have wide screen TVs and then stretch the image... making the TV pretty much unviewable. Just a little pet peeve of mine :-) David On Jan 31, 2008 4:56 PM, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are your choices: 1) Use a 16:9 sequence and decide what portion of your 4:3 footage you're going to show, full-screen. 2) Use a 16:9 sequence and use your whole frames of 4:3 footage with black bars on either side. 3) Use a 4:3 sequence and decide what portion of your 16:9 footage you're going to show, full screen. 4) Use a 4:3 sequence and use your whole frames of 16:9 footage with black bars on the top and bottom. Alternatively, you could do what televisions do and use a 16:9 sequence and stretch your 4:3 footage horizontally to reach the edges of the frame. That's what happened when you go into sports bars and the players look fat on the screen. I don't recommend that AT ALL, but it *is* an option. Bill BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like some advice as to how to work with 4:3 and 16:9 in the same project on FCP. All of our old stuff is 4:3 our new stuff is 16:9. Our blip player is embedded at 16:9, and cropped real tight to keep it very neat and clean looking: http://k9disc.com for an example. So, I started a project in FCP. I changed the settings to regular NTSC in Log and Capture, but did not set the project settings in the A/V tab under the FCP menu. So, my footage was 4:3 but the sequence was 16:9. I'm waiting on an encode right now of a 16:9 aspect ratio letterboxed if necessary. I have 2 16:9 clips in the movie, our standard intro and outro. So... Is it going to work? How can I plan for this in the future. It's bound to happen again. Cheers, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
or something like ShiftSpace? http://shiftspace.org/screencasts/intro/ has a demo video. a metadata layer above webpages - the trails sound interesting. how you can link up conversations across the metaverse. I think they're at transmediale atm. there's a few examples on the site. On Feb 1, 2008 12:07 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something like disqus.com, which deems it important to allow data export and not be a walled garden using yours and your commenters content. On Jan 31, 2008 5:01 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So maybe a part of effective conversations, comments, communication, is bridging the gap between the shared space of groups, forums, etc, with the personal space of people's own blogs? -- http://www.aliak.com
[videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Yes thats an interesting service, although the comments on Scoble's blog post about it, give an indication of some of the reservations people have about this sort of thing: http://scobleizer.com/2007/12/04/bloggers-hot-new-commenting-system-from- disqus/ Im not sure it goes too far at harnessing all those forums to make a broader community, well it does, just not quite how Id imagined it, maybe it is a good model, maybe it is a tad confusing or open to stalking abuse, I dunno, I need to look at the other similar services. Its good to know there are people trying this stuff, I have my doubts about their chances of success. Maybe comments/forums/whatever being aggregated together, so that the hub isnt the host of that data, only the window to seeing it all in once place, is the answer, but Im not quite sure how that would be done in a way that people can actually digest stuff nicely. I just cant get excited about single services that require a lot of users to make their plan work. Need lots of different services software that is interoperable. Signing up to another service that will be the centre of your digital life for at least the next 5 minutes, is growing tiresome. And this is still true even though companies are trying harder than ever to open up more, I just not sure the 'promised land' can be reached unless they open up to such an extent that they exterminate their own potential revenue stream dreams. Oh well, I guess the web is likely to remain a tangled web with plenty of fragmentation, for the forseeable. I suppose it is a great strength as well as a weakness - oh the splendid inconveniences and inefficiency of it all. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something like disqus.com, which deems it important to allow data export and not be a walled garden using yours and your commenters content. On Jan 31, 2008 5:01 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So maybe a part of effective conversations, comments, communication, is bridging the gap between the shared space of groups, forums, etc, with the personal space of people's own blogs?
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Best Youtube compression out of Adobe Premiere CS3
If you upload 16x9 to YouTube they will automatically letterbox it for you. MySpace does as well. Some sites do not. -- Kary Rogers http://www.GoodCommitment.tv On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah that is the disadvantage of shooting in 16X9 and outputting to youtube. Ideally it would be best to shoot in 4X3 and not change the aspect ratio but if you you want to preserve the videos for future shoot in 16X9. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused about changing the aspect ratio for output. Won't the image end up smooshed? Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Best Youtube compression out of Adobe Premiere CS3
Yeah that is the disadvantage of shooting in 16X9 and outputting to youtube. Ideally it would be best to shoot in 4X3 and not change the aspect ratio but if you you want to preserve the videos for future shoot in 16X9. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused about changing the aspect ratio for output. Won't the image end up smooshed? Chris --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Renat Zarbailov innomind@ wrote: After 2 years of constant search for the ideal compression scheme, I have finally come to a solution. If you're using Adobe Premiere CS3 and you edit your footage in 16X9 standard definition, simply do the following. 1. Sharpen the video to the point you see some dotty artifacts appearing in the video (looks like a jpeg still image when highly compressed) 2. Right out of timeline, without even hitting enter to render SD edited material, go to export, adobe media encoder. Once there under format choose Windows Media, and under preset NTSC Source to Download 1024kbps, however, that is not all, we will edit this preset and then save it as a Youtube one for future sweet encoding :) So now, in the video tab... BASIC VIDEO SETTINGS make sure you have the following; Allow interlaced processing - unchecked Encoding passes - Two Bitrate mode - Constant Frame W/H 640X480 Frame rate 29.97 but depending on your footage (some people shoot in 24 frames) Pixel aspect ration (important) - D1 DV NTSC (0.9) this is 4X3 although the original footage is 16X9 BITRATE SETTINGS Maximum bitrate - 3,739.63 (yes under 4mbps) Image quality - 100 ADVANCED SETTINGS Decoder complexity - Main Keyframe interval - 5 Buffer size - Default Now go to Audio tab change Audio format to 192kbps 44 stereo VBR 3. Hit OK on the bottom (you will see that the estimated file size is beyond 100mb allowed by youtube but don't worry, if you go the approach described below all will be fine). Save to file to you har drive. 4. Log in to youtube and at the upload page, on the right hand side you will see a new Multi video uploaded button to upload files larger than 100MB or upload many files at once! That's it! :) If you have achieved better quality using Premiere CS3 I sure would like to hear about it. Thanks Renat of Innomind.org and Mr.Thyself.com
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
I just bought this Audio-technica ATR-55 shotgun mic for $50 bucks off of eBay. Topher Polack http://www.thediversion.com http://www.christopherpolack.com
[videoblogging] Re: Best Youtube compression out of Adobe Premiere CS3
Yes that's true but at the expense. The vid then looks washed out. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kary Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you upload 16x9 to YouTube they will automatically letterbox it for you. MySpace does as well. Some sites do not. -- Kary Rogers http://www.GoodCommitment.tv On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah that is the disadvantage of shooting in 16X9 and outputting to youtube. Ideally it would be best to shoot in 4X3 and not change the aspect ratio but if you you want to preserve the videos for future shoot in 16X9. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Chris cjburdick@ wrote: I'm confused about changing the aspect ratio for output. Won't the image end up smooshed? Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Feeling vindictive...
As an actor and web producer I must chime in here I am passionate about and committed to my work as both an actor and a new media producer, and as such would never allow anyone on my set whom I didn't either know personally or for whom I have not sought out a dependable reference, no matter how captivating their qualities.. If you hire actors based on qualities that you find captivating rather than on creativity, professionalism, passion and talent you send a message to your staff and crew and audience that the creative arena you choose to work in is defined by captivating personalities, rather than true work ethic and vision. (how can you expect any better from an actor who is sent the message over and over again that their value lies in their captivating qualities, rather than in what they can bring to the table creatively and intellectually?) Now the amazing Jan has a ton more experience than I on big sets and I'm sure she has seen some outrageous and unacceptable behavior... but I was lucky enough to have Jan on my set as well and I am pretty sure she would agree that throughout a grueling, 10 day, non-paid shoot (not to mention numerous days of rehearsals) every actor was on time, professional, respectful, dependable, and creatively engaged... without exception. Open your eyes guys!!! Look past the captivating qualities out there. There are a bevy of committed, talented, passionate actors who would be amazing assets to the projects that you put so much of your heart and soul into..but to find them you might have to sacrifice a few qualities. Kathryn synchronis.tv's inaugural series 35 is available on itunes. Kathryn Velvel Jones synchronis.tv On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: I've had similar problems with promo girls and models. It can sometimes take some work to make sure they show up. And to make sure they remember. (I had a number of no-shows this last weekend when I was at a local Motor Cycle show.) See ya On Jan 31, 2008 1:21 PM, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (A great way to make sure that I show up is to send a car. If you think that a limo for an actor is a perk, no it is just wrangling him to get him there. I also like M and Ms, but not yellow ones. Please remove those.) p.s. Jan, caught up on your blog...very cool D --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Psst. Chris. Actors are wacky. Wacko. That's the reason directors get the big bucks: they figure out how to wrangle 'em, how to play Daddy, sister, lover - whatever - in order to get the performance. Yes, and sometimes that means figuring out how to get 'em to show up. As director, that's one - ONE - of your main jobs, yo :) Don't tell Dan I said, K?] Jan On Jan 31, 2008 12:07 AM, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, damn it, now I'm gonna vent. Tim Street has ruined my life. He chose all those others for French Maid TV, not me. My accent was better, my tits were perkier (and real!). That closed minded son of a bitch is the reason that my career is in the shits. What the hell was he thinking? I'm sure the French Maid Tv is going to fail, because, it really doesn't teach anyway. What did I learn from it? That I didn't need Viagra? (not always anyway). I am just burning now. My face is burning. I have a burning sensation when I urinate. Tim Street can burn in hell! That's where I am now. Best to you Chris. I relate to you. And Tim? *^*^ You! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris cjburdick@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Tim Street tim@ wrote: Don't do it. You might think it will make you feel better but it won't. KarmaKarma I know, you're right. And I probably wouldn't do it anyway, if only because I know that kind of sword cuts both ways. But I'm just so crestfallen. Heartbroken, even. This has just been the latest in a long line of punches to the gut. I'm having serious bad luck bringing projects to fruition, for lack of reliable help (both in front of and behind the camera). But you're right, I should just let it go and count my blessings. I begin shooting a big series on Saturday, with a cast of folks who seem pretty committed. And if ten adorable actresses in scanty atire can't lift me out of my funk, then I should be locked away and doped up. They're not French maids, but don't hold that against them. ;) Anyway, thanks for letting me vent... Chris Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Looking for people to invite to Vlog Europe '08
I too meet the standards of #3 though I realize that may be fully cancelled out by #4. :-) I do bring aloha and chocolate-covered macadamia nuts though when I travel, as an unofficial emissary of Hawaii. I've got you guys down on the calendar in any case. Aloha, Rox On Jan 31, 2008 11:04 AM, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send me an email anyways... kitykity at gmail. Suzy --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hooray for #3! You were on my list of people to mail. Get me off-list if there's anything I can do to help you find your way to Budapest. I can't direct you through the women-only section of the Gellert Spa, though. ;-) On 31/01/2008, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fall under #3. :) I have airline miles, and am looking to make a trip to Europe this fall! I really hope I can come--and I hope you guys will keep me from getting hopelessly lost! LOL Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytaylor@ wrote: Hi everyone - Now that we've set dates (October 18-19, Budapest), I'm/we're looking to invite people (or for you to contact people) to let them know when and where the event is. Here's some ideas foe the kind of people we're looking to invite: 1. Contacts in Hungary are critical (I saw your Tweet Bicycle Mark) 2. People you would LOVE to have there 3. WOMEN 4. People from countries we haven't seen represented 5. EU Bloggers that use video, but wouldn't necessarily call themselves videobloggers 6. Anybody that you think would make a good vlogger. 7. Anybody you think has something to add to the weekend. People feel special when they're invited, or that some people who wouldn't come otherwise would. Any help you can give me here is most welcome. Cheers, J -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: thejeffreytaylor@ http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
The hum being something horrible happening in the camera, camera hum generally is a function of 'proximity effect'. The mic is next to the machine. The mic will pick up that which is closest, best. Proximity. That's why lavs work well - they can get closest to the bodies' resonators for those wide shots and walk and talks. Sometimes an inch one way or another makes all the difference in the world. Mic placement is everything. If the mic ain't in the right place, you got nuthin'. What ever tool (mic / mixer / camera) know its limits - find its limits in experiments - and respect them. You'll make great sound. Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
hi all On 01/02/2008, at 7:48 AM, Jay dedman wrote: So i think CC licenses is totally important...but can we have Fair Use if video is being used for criticism, debate, or conversation? fair use is very weak. As far as I'm aware it doesn't formally exist here in Australia as a right, more a convention, and outside of edu contexts and a very informal practice by news organisations (where there are informal practices about quoting) you're on thin ice :-) CC really helps here, without it you don't have much in the way of rights. In addition there are precedents about around what you actually quote. Years ago someone famously lost a case where they used a very small part of Casablanca but the studio won because they argued that while the excerpt was very brief it was the most famous moment in the film. cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On 01/02/2008, at 4:28 AM, Jay dedman wrote: I think the biggest challenge is getting creators to actually make video comments. Youtube has the only video commenting system Ive really seen used. Most times though, people are just linking to their own videos so they can ride out the popularity of someone else's video. Youtube is the the city wall where everyone wheatpastes their flyers. I know some here are unfamiliar with my short tempered rants on this particular subject, but Jay is 100% on the money. The web works by its porousness and permeability. Small bits and the rest of it. Video still flies in the face of this. Sorry for dot points, I'm supposed to be working for my employer at the moment 1. why can't I use QT plugin to copy and paste a part of your video into my QT player? (just as I can copy text straight out of a web browser). 2. why treat video as little closed media objects online? 3. for example if you have a credit sequence, but I quote the middle of your video, what point is your credit sequence? 4. we do this with text every day. just look at what my email client has done with Jay's email as an everyday matter of course: quoted it, changed it tyopographically to indicate this, and let me add to it. It retains his name, and clearly indicates that some of the text here comes from somewhere else. I still haven't seen much that does this for video. 5. blogs solved all of this for online writing with permalinks, a post structure, trackback. I don't think much of comments. They seem old skool to me. I know I love to get 'em, but that's just vanity. Comments are aggregating others views to my own identity, I much prefer people to write something in their blog and link to me - so I rate trackbacks way above comments (which is why every now and then over 8 years I've had comments on, comments off, etc). So while video comments are interesting, I think a much more interesting (and harder thing) to do would be to quote some of your video in my video and for your video or video blog post, to know about this (video trackback) so it is as much of an almost palimpsest (wrong word but suggestive) as a good blog with its quotes, links out, links in, etc... cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Re: Feeling vindictive...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whom I didn't either know personally or for whom I have not sought out a dependable reference, no matter how captivating their qualities.. Frankly, I don't have the kind of time right now for that level of vetting. Nor the staff. There are future projects, more substantial projects, where I would happily allocate the time and energy to do that. However, we're not talking about Das Boot here; we're talking about a little doodad that I wanted to make my Semanal project. send a message to your staff and crew and audience that the creative arena you choose to work in is defined by captivating personalities, rather than true work ethic and vision. I AM my staff. I AM my crew. And the handful of loose change in my pocket is my budget. You seem to be arguing that a performer's charisma doesn't count, but I can't agree. When it comes to drawing in an audience, especially when you only have a few minutes to do so, charisma can count in a big way. (how can you expect any better from an actor who is sent the message over and over again that their value lies in their captivating qualities, rather than in what they can bring to the table creatively and intellectually?) I can and DO expect common courtesy and honesty from everyone I meet. I'm nutty that way. there. There are a bevy of committed, talented, passionate actors who would be amazing assets to the projects that you put so much of your heart and soul into..but to find them you might have to sacrifice a few qualities. Kathryn, I respect your observations, but my experience here in L.A. is that paycheck trumps passion a good deal of the time. Not always, of course... most of the performers in my upcoming project have shown an amount of enthusiasm that has pleasantly surprised me. They are not all each other's equal as far as talent and commitment, but I would certainly be shocked if any one of them brought the whole production to a screeching halt two lines into the first scene, as this actress did yesterday. Anyway, I concede you make good points but they don't all necessarily apply to my particular situation. But hey, prove me wrong. Draw me a map to this bevy of selfless show folk and I'll happily put them to work. :) Chris
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
you should but technically one is trivial computationally the other much more complicated. Also text has clear standards. Quote marks, standardised referencing systems to indicate source, right down to year, page, and object, etc. There is no way to easily indicate this inside video. In addition text is just different to video, they're different meaning systems and operate quite differently and so it means something different to quote text to quoting image and moving image. They're not the same things - that's one reason why things got quite intense around the lumiere discussion. It isnt' helped that while people treat their writing, eg email, as more or less transient and minor (scraps if you like) we still treat our video as whole, proper, mine, and so deserving of respect or consideration. We just treat them as whole finished things which we don't really let go of, whereas words are just, well, an ascii wake while we flow through the web. On 01/02/2008, at 4:37 AM, David King wrote: Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video- based words? I'm thinking you should be able to pull quotes from both. cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
in australia it is more or less a 'gentlemen's agreement' (and I'm pretty sure this is how it gets described) which every now and then ruffles feathers when one network is perceived to use too much of someone else's footage or similar. there is no licence, no money, just a sort of mutual agreement which recognises that they all benefit from this. For some events here (not sure which ones) networks might even deliberately share footage so instead of 3 crews to one event one goes on the understanding material is made available to each. On 01/02/2008, at 8:40 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: Anybody know what rules live TV news stations play by? I remember seeing a programme about Al Jazeera years ago, and they were watching other stations rebroadcasting their live pictures (probably of the bombing of Bahgdad), and were trying to frustrate this by cutting to their anchor. There are plenty of times we see other networks graphics on such things, some try to cover it with monster sized tickers or bugs, and now I always wonder if theyve licensed the content or are making use of some 'right' to reshow it, or just chancing their luck. cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
hi all Does anyone remember that thing from years ago that was like webpage graffiti? you could leave notes on webpages, and anyone with the plugin could see the notes. I remember that whitehouse.gov got more or less buried under the things... On 01/02/2008, at 10:12 AM, Kath O'Donnell wrote: or something like ShiftSpace? http://shiftspace.org/screencasts/intro/ has a demo video. a metadata layer above webpages - the trails sound interesting. how you can link up conversations across the metaverse. I think they're at transmediale atm. there's a few examples on the site cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On Jan 31, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Adrian Miles wrote: Does anyone remember that thing from years ago that was like webpage graffiti? you could leave notes on webpages, and anyone with the plugin could see the notes. I remember that whitehouse.gov got more or less buried under the things... are you referring to http://www.mystickies.com/ ? i think there are several services like this now (sort of defeats the point) i recall a firefox plugin always been surprised that this did not take off more. weren't there libel issues in the early days that dampened this a bit? markus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On 01/02/2008, at 2:23 PM, Markus Sandy wrote: are you referring to http://www.mystickies.com/ ? i think there are several services like this now (sort of defeats the point) i recall a firefox plugin always been surprised that this did not take off more. weren't there libel issues in the early days that dampened this a bit? hi Markus yep, that's them :-) in the hypertext development community there was an effort to make (well, they did make) systems that let you annotate any other webpage and these annotations would be stored centrally to be distributed to others who used the service. The point was to add another layer on top of published page, much like how you make annotations when reading a book, but of course to share these. thinking out of left field, this would be really cool using flash or QT as you could have a layer (toggle its visibility) which could show such annotations, eg othre videos elsewhere that refer to this particular video. Could be time based too... cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Feeling vindictive...
I can tell you this, if you're not kinda 'selfless' you don't get hired again. Thus, those who remain / survive are kinda that way. The occasional 'arse' does get through, but the jerk factor in the industry is remarkably low as a result. 1 - 2% Whereas in the general population, I believe the jerk factor to be somewhere just above 3%. Definitive :) jan On Jan 31, 2008 10:03 PM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whom I didn't either know personally or for whom I have not sought out a dependable reference, no matter how captivating their qualities.. Frankly, I don't have the kind of time right now for that level of vetting. Nor the staff. There are future projects, more substantial projects, where I would happily allocate the time and energy to do that. However, we're not talking about Das Boot here; we're talking about a little doodad that I wanted to make my Semanal project. send a message to your staff and crew and audience that the creative arena you choose to work in is defined by captivating personalities, rather than true work ethic and vision. I AM my staff. I AM my crew. And the handful of loose change in my pocket is my budget. You seem to be arguing that a performer's charisma doesn't count, but I can't agree. When it comes to drawing in an audience, especially when you only have a few minutes to do so, charisma can count in a big way. (how can you expect any better from an actor who is sent the message over and over again that their value lies in their captivating qualities, rather than in what they can bring to the table creatively and intellectually?) I can and DO expect common courtesy and honesty from everyone I meet. I'm nutty that way. there. There are a bevy of committed, talented, passionate actors who would be amazing assets to the projects that you put so much of your heart and soul into..but to find them you might have to sacrifice a few qualities. Kathryn, I respect your observations, but my experience here in L.A. is that paycheck trumps passion a good deal of the time. Not always, of course... most of the performers in my upcoming project have shown an amount of enthusiasm that has pleasantly surprised me. They are not all each other's equal as far as talent and commitment, but I would certainly be shocked if any one of them brought the whole production to a screeching halt two lines into the first scene, as this actress did yesterday. Anyway, I concede you make good points but they don't all necessarily apply to my particular situation. But hey, prove me wrong. Draw me a map to this bevy of selfless show folk and I'll happily put them to work. :) Chris Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Every HV20 seems to have a diffferent level of mechanical noise, but they are all a bit loud. The DM50 does not do well vs. the videomics according to those who have used both. The DM50 is a decidedly consumer product - both the Rode's are designed to bring pro level sound to high-Z consumer/prosumer equipment. Beachtek boxes and the like are great IF you already have a $500+ pro mic and a good mount for it. I have used them on multiple cameras. They do NOT improve the mic preamp you are stuck with in the camera (fortunately the HV20's hi-z preamp isn't nearly as bad as those on Sony's consumer cams). But the Rode videomics really change this equation, as they can deliver excellent sound and are DESIGNED for camtop use. I have a beachtek, phantom power supply, and $900 AT4073s that I use in a variety of applications, and I even HAVE a camtop shock mount that works with them, but I'm still going for the videomic (probably both models) for my HV20. I wish the videomics were smaller and less look at me in appearance, but the only better option there is the tinymic, and they are uber uber pricey (and that tiny diaphragm just makes me nervous. How can it be a shotgun mic when my first impulse is to convert it into a contact mic?) There are reports that the stereo videomic still picks up camera noise in very quiet environments, while the shotgun model is less prone to this. yeah, lavs solve a lot of problems. For straight talent on camera work a GOOD wireless lav setup is wise, but in general I don't like the sound of lavs. I prefer even imperfect open sound that has a sense of space to the sound of lavs, as long as intelligibibility isn't an issue. The best sound will always be from an overhead boom as close to the subject as possible, but that doesn't help the solo filmmaker. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On Jan 31, 2008 3:48 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to, well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this: videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts and conversation-starters (sorta like text blogs). Others think of their posts more like an online version of a tv show. And then everything in-between. But to take the newspaper comparison further, the NY Times is fully copyrighted...but you can still quote their text in your own work without permission. Ding. Ding. Ding. (pardon the bad rhetorical device, jay's words speaketh to me. :) Video has never been something accessible to the masses as a means of communication until very recently. (check out the history of the mass democratization of photography for parallels on how the video space will/is evolving) It would seem obvious that the ability to quote photographic, audio, and video communications for the sake of communicating in multimedia would have to happen. Oh... wait it already is... :) Despite abhorrent fair use law and all the draconian legislation in the world it's still happening. Youtube is widely censoring a lot of truly fair use material, but even more is getting through and an infinite amount of people beyond that are learning to not use youtube and use services that actually respect their users right to express themselves. Mass democratization is overwhelming lame bureaucratic crutches as always happens in such ages of enlightenment. One example that lands squarely on the issue is the tom cruise scientology video. Gawker reposted it after Youtube nixed it. The video is not a parody... though there plenty now. It's not a clip. It's an entire video. Many would say it's not protected under fair use at all... it may simply be copyright infringement. But are we to go around with our hands over our eyes about such dangerous cults (I say that having researched the matter heavily and really is that simple), to deny their evils because they happen in a privatized media space or private cyberspace? When increasingly all the public spaces are privately owned... malls in the real world, media companies in the media space, or linden labs / Second Life and web-services in cyberspace... parties could potentially claim ownership over any 'view of themselves they don't like. Whether that view be expressed in photo, in video, or audio. Our right to fair use of media in the great media rich conversation is by proxy / by necessity radically being redefined. The truth is if said cult was successful in bringing down the main video on gawker, youtube and everywhere else... it would cause a thousand fold more innovative parody, and critical fair use videos and that's probably exactly how it's going to play out. In a way... it stimulates a certain kind of creativity. Barbara Striesand style. To be blunt... you speak of this issue of prohibition in a speakeasy... one of a thousand speakeasy's on the eve of prohibitions collapse. So! That said. There are plenty of ways to post video comments. Just as long as (1) the architecture is open enough for people to use a variety of services (including hand posting a video to their own vlog)... I don't see (2) the fair use thing being an issue that will stop it or even slow it down. Information wants to be free and all that junk. The key architecting and open enough system for posting them via multiple services and hosts, and even more importantly... really good systems for TRACKING them. There is also the one last thing (s) important simple, easy to use UI's... but I imagine the blip's and other host of the world will have no problem with this. It's the tracking that has changed over the last year or two. It's the huge innovations in tracking, tracking proof of concepts which has changed in the last year. Where once people were posting simple text comments on blogs without any way to track them / know if their was any response... there are now dozens of services like co.mments.com, techmeme, built in blog software email me responses checkboxes and other mechanisms... so that comments can evolve into true back / forth discussion instead of simply the equivalent of yelling into the wind... from a mountain top... One last comment regarding architecture. it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is to track and display the back and forth BETWEEN blogs /vlogs using permalink tracking. Joe vlogs -- Mary vlogs about Joe's post linking directly to Joe's vlog post -- Joe responds on his vlog linking to Mary's post. Then via various third party systems and track-back mechanisms this conversation becomes visible... trackable... and even RSS subscribe-able... sort of like a tag meme... but much more natural. All that's MISSING from this equation is the
[videoblogging] a super happy vlog house
Hi everyone, Lan Bui and the OC'ers suggested another Super Happy Vlog House We're on for one in Ojai for the weekend of Feb 16th bring your valentine for an fun getaway if you're in the area (about two hours north of Los Angeles) http://superhappyvloghouse.pbwiki.com/OjaiDigitalDojo markus http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] New poll for videoblogging
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the videoblogging group: People say when you buy a car that you suddenly notice all the similar models on the road. Lately it seems that lots of folks are whipping out a Canon HV20. How many people own Canon HV20's or are thinking about getting one? o Got one! o Thinking about it. o Never! o Don't know. o WTF? To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/surveys?id=1990808 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On 01/02/2008, at 3:58 PM, Mike Meiser wrote: it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is to track and display the back and forth BETWEEN blogs /vlogs using permalink tracking. hi Mike here ye, here ye. or is that hear ye hear ye? whichever, agree absolutely and this really would make interesting things in video. Once this happens then you can map relations, since there is something to map (what's there to map on a post with comments?). and when you map you discover new relations/patterns etc. cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On Jan 31, 2008 4:53 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmm yes thats the sort of problem that I was gibbering about in post the other day, if comments and conversations are fragmented across multiple websites, how to piece that all back together again and present it in a sane way. Consider this emphasis... that is exactly the big issue... not the copyright issues and not the GUI issues for posting the videos. Youtube has it relatively easy due to their large audience, and being a walled garden. Proprietary systems always have an initial advantage in this area... but they immediately get entrenched. In actuality while youtube' initial system was a huge leap forward it's now one of the biggest set backs on the site... suffers from a lack of any further innovation. In short youtube's video comments will be usurped widely by innovation in the open space in the next few years. Meanwhile we see all sorts of innovative ways to do things with video commenting conversations, but these features are often part of yet another new business/service, that struggles to attract enough users. Exactly. It's already widely being solved in the plain old blogging space... as always we have only to look to our older wiser brother's lead. The biggest social conversational use of video on the net that I have seen so far, is people embedding videos that they did not make or publish to the web themselves, in their own blogs, forum posts, funwalls on facebook or wherever. Simple, crude, effective, limiting in all sorts of ways but easy enough to be done by lots of people. And another demonstration that although blogging RSS feeds aggregators brought many people to the party, the embedded flash video in the browser has been an absolutely massive part of the online video boom of recent years. I agree... the widespread talking about videos wether embedded or simply linked to on other blogs, user groups, sites, platforms, etc is one of best forms of discussion... rather than the simple commenting on on the original hosts site. I HEART RECONTEXTUALIZATION. Big time. What's more... it's EXTREMELY simple to track these conversations with a tracker across multiple blogs / vlogs. The information is all in the RSS. It's all floating around out there. It just requires someone to mine it and present it in a great visual and trackable way. There are MANY experiments like megite.com and techmeme. Even mefeedia's channels which are modeled after Planet Planet vlogs... simply binding together activity from multiple RSS feeds into one channel... are a primitive experiment in this. mefeedia's prime failing is it fails to display activity such as comments, revlogging, and permalink references outside of the site itself. To be blunt it's it's own little myopic world. (Again, I'm not longer affiliated with mefeedia.) Cheers Cheers indeed. Steve Elbows -Mike of mmeiser.com :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen that Blip offers comments RSS for each post, but most of the time the conversations are happening at the vlogs, which have varying support for Comments RSS. It is quite a large engineering effort. Regards, Frank --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Blogger just recently allowed commentors to check a box fo follow comments via email. Havent any idea what you guys' are taling about, but... I love it when the coders get all excited. :) Jan On Jan 31, 2008 7:22 AM, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: It's included in wordpress feeds already. - but I dont think it is in blogger feeds On Jan 31, 2008 1:12 AM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Cool. Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed: http://sull.blip.tv/rss item guid isPermaLink=false9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011/guid linkhttp://blip.tv/file/586535/link titleWhat is it that's driving this?/title [...] wfw:commentRss http://blip.tv/comments/?attached_to=post592232amp;skin=rss /wfw:commentRss commentshttp://blip.tv/file/586535/comments /item wfw, as in wfw:comments, stands for well formatted web spec is as mentioned here: http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ comments being part of the original RSS 2.0 spec. It appears to be the url to the page where you can make a comment. So... Basically we have the start of a potential working ecosystem. The next question is who else supports this? Wordpress? Blogger? Moveable type? Feedburner? If not already a part of Wordpress could it be implimented with a plugin or added to an existing plugin from SIAB or that which david meade just created? Will have to do more research. -Mike
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On Jan 31, 2008 10:01 PM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2008, at 4:28 AM, Jay dedman wrote: I think the biggest challenge is getting creators to actually make video comments. Youtube has the only video commenting system Ive really seen used. Most times though, people are just linking to their own videos so they can ride out the popularity of someone else's video. Youtube is the the city wall where everyone wheatpastes their flyers. I know some here are unfamiliar with my short tempered rants on this particular subject, but Jay is 100% on the money. The web works by its porousness and permeability. Small bits and the rest of it. Video still flies in the face of this. Sorry for dot points, I'm supposed to be working for my employer at the moment You have short tempered rants on this subject!? Sudden realization that I have obviously missed something really good. Where are those at? time to pull out gmail and mine my 50,000 email history. 1. why can't I use QT plugin to copy and paste a part of your video into my QT player? (just as I can copy text straight out of a web browser). cool... I totally feel you here... you can at least download a qt video, open it in qt and then do this... but this PALES in comparison to the hurdles with f*cking flash video. 2. why treat video as little closed media objects online? we could right a book on this subject, I feel it would be more productive for me to mine for your past comments... are they on here or on one of your blogs. 3. for example if you have a credit sequence, but I quote the middle of your video, what point is your credit sequence? Are you farmilliar with the Ted Nelson Exanadu project and it's MANY MANY ill fated inspired projects? It's truely fascinating. A sort of wikipedia for media concept. EVERYTHING is interefernceable. A sort of mythic beast / grail quest project with a slippery slope. 4. we do this with text every day. just look at what my email client has done with Jay's email as an everyday matter of course: quoted it, changed it tyopographically to indicate this, and let me add to it. It retains his name, and clearly indicates that some of the text here comes from somewhere else. I still haven't seen much that does this for video. Yes, deinitely the same wavelength. Again.. I point to the history of photo for parrells since the image is much further along in the process of democratization by the masses then video. 5. blogs solved all of this for online writing with permalinks, a post structure, trackback. And this should be the starting point which vlogging builds upon. I don't think much of comments. They seem old skool to me. I know I love to get 'em, but that's just vanity. Check Comments are aggregating others views to my own identity, I much prefer people to write something in their blog and link to me - so I rate trackbacks way above comments (which is why every now and then over 8 years I've had comments on, comments off, etc). Completely agree... andreas is the exact same way... so much so there's no comments on his solitude.dk So while video comments are interesting, I think a much more interesting (and harder thing) to do would be to quote some of your video in my video and for your video or video blog post, to know about this (video trackback) so it is as much of an almost palimpsest (wrong word but suggestive) as a good blog with its quotes, links out, links in, etc... I'll have to read up on your word to get your meaning... But I disagree that when we talk about video commenting we're ONLY talking about putting videos into comments on people's blogs... I would suggest we instead include vlog to vlog comments in this general discussion of video commenting... and drag it out into the open. cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au Cheers, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On Jan 31, 2008 10:05 PM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should but technically one is trivial computationally the other much more complicated. Also text has clear standards. Quote marks, standardised referencing systems to indicate source, right down to year, page, and object, etc. There is no way to easily indicate this inside video. While there's tons of technical issues... what you're talking about here is tradition Unlike text there are few to no traditions and rituals for video remix and quoting as mass use is a very recent phenom. I'm reminded of a very british idea. If you sit down to a proper british meal you have a fork for every occassion. However in the media world we have only one fork... Our new media diet has 8 more courses then our text one and we have not the proper implimentations. DIY means getting in there, getting dirty and using your hands. I heart metaphors. In fact even text communications traditions are overwhelmed. Younger generations are going nots on the 1337 (elite) speek and meanwhile older generations and professionals are shaking their canes / dictionaries / manuals on grammer... and whatever else they've got and freaking out. I can't wait until some old person throws their fork at me... my metaphor will be complete. :) In addition text is just different to video, they're different meaning systems and operate quite differently and so it means something different to quote text to quoting image and moving image. They're not the same things - that's one reason why things got quite intense around the lumiere discussion. It isnt' helped that while people treat their writing, eg email, as more or less transient and minor (scraps if you like) we still treat our video as whole, proper, mine, and so deserving of respect or consideration. We just treat them as whole finished things which we don't really let go of, whereas words are just, well, an ascii wake while we flow through the web. now we're talking literacy? I just think of media has higher forms of language. There is an awesome TED conference video of an English artist that uses celebrity as the language in her art... Similar in many ways to Andy Warhol's pop art, but also completely original. I think boing boing called it paparazzi art It's an awesome exploration of a new medium (cellebrity) as a language and an art. Recontext at its finest. I will have to digg it up. -mike On 01/02/2008, at 4:37 AM, David King wrote: Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video- based words? I'm thinking you should be able to pull quotes from both. cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
comments below On Feb 1, 2008 12:10 AM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2008, at 3:58 PM, Mike Meiser wrote: it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is to track and display the back and forth BETWEEN blogs /vlogs using permalink tracking. hi Mike here ye, here ye. or is that hear ye hear ye? whichever, agree absolutely and this really would make interesting things in video. Once this happens then you can map relations, since there is something to map (what's there to map on a post with comments?). and when you map you discover new relations/patterns etc. Ha... the more things change the more they stay the same... the space has developed light years in only 3 years... hard to believe... and yet we're still basically talking about the same things... revlogging. It is much evolved though. -Mike cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
comments below On Jan 31, 2008 10:37 PM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2008, at 2:23 PM, Markus Sandy wrote: are you referring to http://www.mystickies.com/ ? i think there are several services like this now (sort of defeats the point) i recall a firefox plugin always been surprised that this did not take off more. weren't there libel issues in the early days that dampened this a bit? hi Markus yep, that's them :-) in the hypertext development community there was an effort to make (well, they did make) systems that let you annotate any other webpage and these annotations would be stored centrally to be distributed to others who used the service. The point was to add another layer on top of published page, much like how you make annotations when reading a book, but of course to share these. thinking out of left field, this would be really cool using flash or QT as you could have a layer (toggle its visibility) which could show such annotations, eg othre videos elsewhere that refer to this particular video. Could be time based too... This strikes me as the most brilliant idea of all. To turn the web into a giant media rich wiki with infinite version history. What's more i think it's 100% doable technically, theoretically and financially It solves many of the issues I've seen with the media web. I'd mentioned Ted Nelsen's Zanadu project and it's many reincarnations all of them ending up being vaporware and existing almost completely in theoretical or academic relm despite millions of dolllars. I don't know half the specifics, but there's definitely some parrallels. I'd always had this idea of broadband communities or 'aggregatory communities... but what if instead of aggregating these communities and the many webservices which served them brought the commentary, the context to the original content in layer upon layer. Sort of proxy services. Add in not just sticky notes, but media remixing, rewriting, and history but actual functionality changes as is starting to happen with greasemonkey and you have not just worlds upon worlds with different perspective but also that function differently. Maybe that is more the social network of the future. Something you try on like a new set of glasses. -Mike cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote: Are you farmilliar with the Ted Nelson Exanadu project and it's MANY MANY ill fated inspired projects? It's truely fascinating. A sort of wikipedia for media concept. EVERYTHING is interefernceable. A sort of mythic beast / grail quest project with a slippery slope. on the way home but can't resist a quick boast. I'm the recipient of the 2001 3rd Ted Nelson Award for Hypertext Structure as the Event of Connection (annual hypertext conference that year in Aarhus - nod to Andreas). Ted was there, intertwingling is my mantra :-) cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Feeling inquisitive...
Has anybody ever used one of these Lastolite light tents? http://www.amazon.com/Lastolite-Studio-Cubelight-Shooting-Tent/dp/B000COHCW8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1201844856sr=8-3 How does one go about lighting the background inside that thing? From behind? From above? I've long been curious about it... Chris
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On 2/1/08, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote: Are you farmilliar with the Ted Nelson Exanadu project and it's MANY MANY ill fated inspired projects? It's truely fascinating. A sort of wikipedia for media concept. EVERYTHING is interefernceable. A sort of mythic beast / grail quest project with a slippery slope. on the way home but can't resist a quick boast. I'm the recipient of the 2001 3rd Ted Nelson Award for Hypertext Structure as the Event of Connection (annual hypertext conference that year in Aarhus - nod to Andreas). Ted was there, intertwingling is my mantra :-) Haha! Mike roles on floor laughing. You freak! :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertwingularity Maybe I should drop the terms recontext, intermediation singularity and just start addopting intertwingling, intertwingularity, intertwingledness and many other great derivatives. You realize you're scaring everyone right? Incredibly mundane is the term I think most would use to describe the majority of this conversation. -Mike cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Hey, Josh. I bought my HV20 in December and have edited and posted only 3 videos so far, like this one: http://www.realpeoplenetwork.com/2008/01/charlie-firesto.html To tell you the truth, I haven't heard any camera noise, but the few videos I've shot have all been in noisy environments. One reason I bought the HV20 was because of reviews that talked about the good sound quality from the built-in mike. So, thanks for the heads up, I'll keep an eye on it. Need to buy a lapel mic anyway ... jd lasica www.realpeoplenetwork.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Looking for people to invite to Vlog Europe '08
Macadamia nuts are almost more welcome than you are, Rox. Thanks, for stepping up, ladies. If some or all of you could come, we would be more than thrilled. I am at your disposal for travel help and French goodie dispatch. On 01/02/2008, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too meet the standards of #3 though I realize that may be fully cancelled out by #4. :-) I do bring aloha and chocolate-covered macadamia nuts though when I travel, as an unofficial emissary of Hawaii. I've got you guys down on the calendar in any case. Aloha, Rox On Jan 31, 2008 11:04 AM, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] kitykity%40gmail.com wrote: Send me an email anyways... kitykity at gmail. Suzy --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hooray for #3! You were on my list of people to mail. Get me off-list if there's anything I can do to help you find your way to Budapest. I can't direct you through the women-only section of the Gellert Spa, though. ;-) On 31/01/2008, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fall under #3. :) I have airline miles, and am looking to make a trip to Europe this fall! I really hope I can come--and I hope you guys will keep me from getting hopelessly lost! LOL Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytaylor@ wrote: Hi everyone - Now that we've set dates (October 18-19, Budapest), I'm/we're looking to invite people (or for you to contact people) to let them know when and where the event is. Here's some ideas foe the kind of people we're looking to invite: 1. Contacts in Hungary are critical (I saw your Tweet Bicycle Mark) 2. People you would LOVE to have there 3. WOMEN 4. People from countries we haven't seen represented 5. EU Bloggers that use video, but wouldn't necessarily call themselves videobloggers 6. Anybody that you think would make a good vlogger. 7. Anybody you think has something to add to the weekend. People feel special when they're invited, or that some people who wouldn't come otherwise would. Any help you can give me here is most welcome. Cheers, J -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: thejeffreytaylor@ http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
