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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I posted a video that hotlinks into my site that is a complete package:
 http://blogs.opml.org/andrewBaron/
 
 Don't know if this will translate onto the message board, but all you  
 do is enter this code anywhere, and the video appears with all its  
 comments, tags, etc. as part of the work:
 
 embed src='http://www.vsocial.com/v/ 
 5a03232f1c98fd45479e7b4dd42cbe54' height='286' width='330'/embed
 
 Pretty clever.
 

Very nice.  Good example of wrapping into one package all of the
capabilities of blogging around a video.

   ;),

   Enric

 
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Edmund Yeo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  that is hysterical.
  and i totally back vsocial.  they get it.
  
 
 Is there any limit for how large your files can be? Or how much you
 can edit per month?
 
 I use boltfolio (http://www.boltfolio.com), which is kinda similar
 (with the badges and stuff), but they only allow 50mb files, and that
 you can only upload 100mb a month.
 
 Still pondering whether I should change from boltfolio to vsocial. Hmm.
 
 (BTW: My boltfolio portfolio is
 http://www.boltfolio.com/portfolio/video/?membername=edmundyeo )
 
 Edmund
 http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com


I use blip.tv which I'm quite happy with.  I don't know if they have
any limits.

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

The video roll feature is cool, thanks for the continuing video
innovation.  I've had parellel ideas for an application wrapper to
video formats.  This inspires me to try things out in flash.

   :),

   Enric
   -===-
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   Determine Media

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brad Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wow, thanks to all you guys for the feedback. Yeah, obviously, this was 
 our goal with the meta layer. If transcoding into flash, why not make 
 the metadata at least stick with the video (we're working on upping the 
 ante on that...) -- this goes along with our Video Roll feature, which 
 Sull thinks is the cat's ass -- 
 http://dskwared.blogspot.com/2005/12/video-blogs.html -- which we're 
 adding more meta-goodness into, too. The question was also asked, so 
 here's the answer: 100MB per file, no limit on how many files. As a 
 toss-in since I'm already writing this email, we auto transcode to 
 iPod-happy MP4 and syndicate in iTunes-friendly RSS, as well. We're
also 
 working on world peace. That may take some time. ;)
 
 Enric wrote:
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
 I posted a video that hotlinks into my site that is a complete
package:
 http://blogs.opml.org/andrewBaron/
 
 Don't know if this will translate onto the message board, but all
you  
 do is enter this code anywhere, and the video appears with all its  
 comments, tags, etc. as part of the work:
 
 embed src='http://www.vsocial.com/v/ 
 5a03232f1c98fd45479e7b4dd42cbe54' height='286' width='330'/embed
 
 Pretty clever.
 
 
 
 
 Very nice.  Good example of wrapping into one package all of the
 capabilities of blogging around a video.
 
;),
 
Enric
 
   
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote:
 
  First things first: Michael Sullivan said what I wanted to say, 100%.
 
  Steve, the only ammendment to what you wrote below is that the  
  reciever
  has a lot more to say in digital media than in traditional media.
 
  Thus while you create a videoblog - a good example of one, actually  
  - your
  readers can transform that into what I label a video podcast  
  (vodcast to
  Sullivan; just VOD if you want to be simple).
 
 Andreas I completely agree with everything you say and find it  
 extremely interesting... but if I don't keep pointing out the  
 absurdity of this VOD/podcast/vodcast laebling system I'm sure  
 someone else will... it's a damn video feed only with no blog...  
 while you give three diferrent labels I still feel noone is following  
 you but myself and a few others because you do not explain what this  
 label means. You're becoming intellectually exclusive. What's more  
 it's for no reason at all as perfectly fine language exists. :)
 
 Nothing personal I figure it was my turn to play the devil's  
 advocate... I've been taking it easy for far too long.
 
 This is the last time I bring it up... for a while anyway... from now  
 on I'll sit back as I have been and watch others attack the labels  
 and the conversation break down into argument over and over and over  
 about just what these labels mean... meanwhile more people will be  
 alienated or hurt and no little progress will be made on what is  
 actually good fine debate about the different merits of blogging  
 mechanisms.
 
 Peace...
 
 - Mike
 

Labels, schmabels...make some tech...make some tools.  ;)

   Happy twothousandandsix!


  It takes two sides to make a
  medium. Previously the reciever could just recieve. A tv program would
  always be a tv program because no one on the recieving end could  
  change
  anything.
 
  With digital media the reciever can change the medium because they  
  have a
  larger degree of control. For example any reader can take your  
  videoblog
  and transform it into a vodcast. They can take the video file out  
  of it's
  blog and move it to a tv or an iPod. In that reading situation your
  videoblog is no longer a videoblog, but a vodcast.
 
  Of course it's not a 1:1 transformation. The content changes (and the
  reception changes) - they are different media after all.
 
  My simple point in all this has been that there exist two different  
  media:
  videoblog and vodcast. And content which works well in one medium  
  might
  not work well after being transformed into the other. My initial  
  thesis is
  that traditional tv content works really well in vodcasting - and thus
  creators can learn a whole lot from tv production - while  
  videoblogging is
  not suited for traditional tv content and requires new ways of  
  writing
  and reading. It's not something I've dug deep into as my focus has
  always been on videoblogging and not differences between  
  videoblogging and
  vodcasting.
 
  - Andreas
 
  On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:17:13 +0100, Steve Garfield
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Michael,
 
  You just found someone.  I agree with Andreas.
 
  Here's my distinction between video blogging and video podcasting.
  Let's see if I can get at least one person to agree with me.   
  Andreas?
 
  RSS feeds that don't have an accessible Video blog, where you can  
  watch
  a video, are not video blogs, they are just video podcasts.
 
  I'm starting to see web pages that have NO VIDEO on them.  They  
  aren't
  even blogs.  Just static web pages. These pages require you to
  subscribe via iTunes to watch the videos. No blog there.  So it's  
  not a
  videoblog, just a videopodcast.
 
  On Dec 26, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Michael Meiser wrote:
 
  As for trying to separate vlogging from video podcasting...  
  absurd...
  no two people would ever agree to some distinction or even that they
  are different.
 
  --Steve
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-29 Thread Joshua Kinberg

 Labels, schmabels...make some tech...make some tools.  ;)


Totally agree with this.

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-29 Thread Edmund Yeo

HELL YES! I've registered yesterday and have happily intergrated the
videos uploaded on vsocial onto my blog. I definitely love the
results. I loe you vsocial! Where have you been all my life OMFG!

Edmund Yeo
http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ditto on the video roll, that's some sweet stuff.  I'll have to
check that
 out a bit more.
 
 On 12/29/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   The video roll feature is cool, thanks for the continuing video
  innovation.  I've had parellel ideas for an application wrapper to
  video formats.  This inspires me to try things out in flash.
 
 :),
 
 Enric
 -===-
 http://www.cirne.com
 Determine Media
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brad Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Wow, thanks to all you guys for the feedback. Yeah, obviously,
this was
   our goal with the meta layer. If transcoding into flash, why not
make
   the metadata at least stick with the video (we're working on
upping the
   ante on that...) -- this goes along with our Video Roll feature,
which
   Sull thinks is the cat's ass --
   http://dskwared.blogspot.com/2005/12/video-blogs.html -- which we're
   adding more meta-goodness into, too. The question was also asked, so
   here's the answer: 100MB per file, no limit on how many files. As a
   toss-in since I'm already writing this email, we auto transcode to
   iPod-happy MP4 and syndicate in iTunes-friendly RSS, as well. We're
  also
   working on world peace. That may take some time. ;)
  
   Enric wrote:
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
   I posted a video that hotlinks into my site that is a complete
  package:
   http://blogs.opml.org/andrewBaron/
   
   Don't know if this will translate onto the message board, but all
  you
   do is enter this code anywhere, and the video appears with all its
   comments, tags, etc. as part of the work:
   
   embed src='http://www.vsocial.com/v/
   5a03232f1c98fd45479e7b4dd42cbe54' height='286'
width='330'/embed
   
   Pretty clever.
   
   
   
   
   Very nice.  Good example of wrapping into one package all of the
   capabilities of blogging around a video.
   
  ;),
   
  Enric
   
   
   
   snip
   
   
  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-29 Thread Michael Meiser


 On Dec 29, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Enric wrote:

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote:

 First things first: Michael Sullivan said what I wanted to say,  
 100%.

 Steve, the only ammendment to what you wrote below is that the
 reciever
 has a lot more to say in digital media than in traditional media.

 Thus while you create a videoblog - a good example of one, actually
 - your
 readers can transform that into what I label a video podcast
 (vodcast to
 Sullivan; just VOD if you want to be simple).

 Andreas I completely agree with everything you say and find it
 extremely interesting... but if I don't keep pointing out the
 absurdity of this VOD/podcast/vodcast laebling system I'm sure
 someone else will... it's a damn video feed only with no blog...
 while you give three diferrent labels I still feel noone is following
 you but myself and a few others because you do not explain what this
 label means. You're becoming intellectually exclusive. What's more
 it's for no reason at all as perfectly fine language exists. :)

 Nothing personal I figure it was my turn to play the devil's
 advocate... I've been taking it easy for far too long.

 This is the last time I bring it up... for a while anyway... from now
 on I'll sit back as I have been and watch others attack the labels
 and the conversation break down into argument over and over and over
 about just what these labels mean... meanwhile more people will be
 alienated or hurt and no little progress will be made on what is
 actually good fine debate about the different merits of blogging
 mechanisms.

 Peace...

 - Mike


 Labels, schmabels...make some tech...make some tools.  ;)

Happy twothousandandsix!

That's the spirt... there are two kinds of people in the world...  
those who make the tools to make cool shit possible... and those that  
make the cool shit... I call them coolio's and coolie's.

Enric, I'll help make the tools if you make the cool videos... that's  
all I care about.

Happy twothousandandsix to everyone!

-Mike


 It takes two sides to make a
 medium. Previously the reciever could just recieve. A tv program  
 would
 always be a tv program because no one on the recieving end could
 change
 anything.

 With digital media the reciever can change the medium because they
 have a
 larger degree of control. For example any reader can take your
 videoblog
 and transform it into a vodcast. They can take the video file out
 of it's
 blog and move it to a tv or an iPod. In that reading situation your
 videoblog is no longer a videoblog, but a vodcast.

 Of course it's not a 1:1 transformation. The content changes (and  
 the
 reception changes) - they are different media after all.

 My simple point in all this has been that there exist two different
 media:
 videoblog and vodcast. And content which works well in one medium
 might
 not work well after being transformed into the other. My initial
 thesis is
 that traditional tv content works really well in vodcasting - and  
 thus
 creators can learn a whole lot from tv production - while
 videoblogging is
 not suited for traditional tv content and requires new ways of
 writing
 and reading. It's not something I've dug deep into as my focus has
 always been on videoblogging and not differences between
 videoblogging and
 vodcasting.

 - Andreas

 On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:17:13 +0100, Steve Garfield
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Michael,

 You just found someone.  I agree with Andreas.

 Here's my distinction between video blogging and video podcasting.
 Let's see if I can get at least one person to agree with me.
 Andreas?

 RSS feeds that don't have an accessible Video blog, where you can
 watch
 a video, are not video blogs, they are just video podcasts.

 I'm starting to see web pages that have NO VIDEO on them.  They
 aren't
 even blogs.  Just static web pages. These pages require you to
 subscribe via iTunes to watch the videos. No blog there.  So it's
 not a
 videoblog, just a videopodcast.

 On Dec 26, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Michael Meiser wrote:

 As for trying to separate vlogging from video podcasting...
 absurd...
 no two people would ever agree to some distinction or even that  
 they
 are different.

 --Steve



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-29 Thread Michael Sullivan




i told you, man vsocial, yo. vfuckingsocial. =)On 12/29/05, Edmund Yeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
HELL YES! I've registered yesterday and have happily intergrated thevideos uploaded on vsocial onto my blog. I definitely love the
results. I loe you vsocial! Where have you been all my life OMFG!Edmund Yeohttp://swiftywriting.blogspot.com--- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto on the video roll, that's some sweet stuff.I'll have tocheck that out a bit more. On 12/29/05, Enric 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The video roll feature is cool, thanks for the continuing video  innovation.I've had parellel ideas for an application wrapper to  video formats.This inspires me to try things out in flash.
  :),  Enric -===- http://www.cirne.com Determine Media   --- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brad Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, thanks to all you guys for the feedback. Yeah, obviously,this was
   our goal with the meta layer. If transcoding into flash, why notmake   the metadata at least stick with the video (we're working onupping the   ante on that...) -- this goes along with our Video Roll feature,
which   Sull thinks is the cat's ass --   http://dskwared.blogspot.com/2005/12/video-blogs.html -- which we're   adding more meta-goodness into, too. The question was also asked, so
   here's the answer: 100MB per file, no limit on how many files. As a   toss-in since I'm already writing this email, we auto transcode to   iPod-happy MP4 and syndicate in iTunes-friendly RSS, as well. We're
  also   working on world peace. That may take some time. ;) Enric wrote: --- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted a video that hotlinks into my site that is a complete
  package:   http://blogs.opml.org/andrewBaron/  Don't know if this will translate onto the message board, but all
  you   do is enter this code anywhere, and the video appears with all its   comments, tags, etc. as part of the work:  embed src='' height='286'width='330'/embed  Pretty clever.
   Very nice.Good example of wrapping into one package all of the   capabilities of blogging around a video.
   ;),   Enricsnip   
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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-28 Thread wtrainbow

There are certain elements that can be integrated within the video that have 
blog attributes -
using sprite tracks (I believe this is exclusive to quicktime), chapters and 
href tracks. 
Comments are another matter.  I think you're onto something though - although 
now it 
requires a certain technical acument to achieve now, it probably won't be long 
until these 
attributes are incorporated into the flow of the software...

will

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 On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
 
  enhanced vodcast
 
 I guess what I'm talking about is putting the blog into the video.  
 Can a blog be in a video?
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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-28 Thread LeanBackVids.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Geez, I leave you guys alone for a couple of days and you're STILL
wallowing
 in definitions.
 
 I'm glad you're having fun with it, but would be comforted by a few
clear
 statements that even though this group is called videoblogging,
people who
 are doing things with video online that don't quite fit your definition
 (when and if you ever agree on one) are nonetheless welcome here.
 Entertaining though it is, I fear that all the nitpicking may drive away
 some people.
 
 So... can we make the not-quite-videobloggers feel welcome?

I'll admit the definitions can get a little annoying to read, but I
have found myself justifying the difference between many vlog-related
words lately.

However, this discussion took a theoretical and technical turn, which
I often enjoy.  Verdi mentioned the idea of using video as the primary
delivery method.  The other content, such as that found on a blog,
would be hosted inside the video.

Some people mentioned how this could be achieved using Quicktime, but
Flash 8 may be a much easier development platform.  Yes it will take a
financial investment and time to learn, but it can be fairly simple.

For example, build a Flash shell that took two variables - the video
file path and a text file path, which will dictate what is visible to
the user at any given time.  Using the new alpha channels in video
allows for button links on a layer above your video, and the links
could change points of time in the video or the text content file. 
Making that text file a dynamic php file (or AJAX) opens up for even
more interactivity.  Once built, the only development needed would be
to make new videos and associated text.

I got discouraged by the quality of Flash video and I quit pursuing
the development of this shell.  Anybody have something similar?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-28 Thread andrew michael baron

I posted a video that hotlinks into my site that is a complete package:
http://blogs.opml.org/andrewBaron/

Don't know if this will translate onto the message board, but all you  
do is enter this code anywhere, and the video appears with all its  
comments, tags, etc. as part of the work:

embed src='http://www.vsocial.com/v/ 
5a03232f1c98fd45479e7b4dd42cbe54' height='286' width='330'/embed

Pretty clever.



On Dec 28, 2005, at 12:50 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Geez, I leave you guys alone for a couple of days and you're STILL
 wallowing
 in definitions.

 I'm glad you're having fun with it, but would be comforted by a few
 clear
 statements that even though this group is called videoblogging,
 people who
 are doing things with video online that don't quite fit your  
 definition
 (when and if you ever agree on one) are nonetheless welcome here.
 Entertaining though it is, I fear that all the nitpicking may  
 drive away
 some people.

 So... can we make the not-quite-videobloggers feel welcome?

 I'll admit the definitions can get a little annoying to read, but I
 have found myself justifying the difference between many vlog-related
 words lately.

 However, this discussion took a theoretical and technical turn, which
 I often enjoy.  Verdi mentioned the idea of using video as the primary
 delivery method.  The other content, such as that found on a blog,
 would be hosted inside the video.

 Some people mentioned how this could be achieved using Quicktime, but
 Flash 8 may be a much easier development platform.  Yes it will take a
 financial investment and time to learn, but it can be fairly simple.

 For example, build a Flash shell that took two variables - the video
 file path and a text file path, which will dictate what is visible to
 the user at any given time.  Using the new alpha channels in video
 allows for button links on a layer above your video, and the links
 could change points of time in the video or the text content file.
 Making that text file a dynamic php file (or AJAX) opens up for even
 more interactivity.  Once built, the only development needed would be
 to make new videos and associated text.

 I got discouraged by the quality of Flash video and I quit pursuing
 the development of this shell.  Anybody have something similar?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-28 Thread Michael Sullivan

that is hysterical.and i totally back vsocial. they get it.On 12/28/05, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:THAT VIDEO IS CLASSIC!...And vSocial is a good example of blog stuff in video.
-Matt--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted a video that hotlinks into my site that is a complete package:
http://blogs.opml.org/andrewBaron/ Don't know if this will translate onto the message board, but all you do is enter this code anywhere, and the video appears with all its
comments, tags, etc. as part of the work: embed src='' height='286' width='330'/embed
Pretty clever. On Dec 28, 2005, at 12:50 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geez, I leave you guys alone for a couple of days and you're STILL wallowing in definitions.
I'm glad you're having fun with it, but would be comforted by a few clear statements that even though this group is called videoblogging, people who
are doing things with video online that don't quite fit your definition (when and if you ever agree on one) are nonetheless welcome here. Entertaining though it is, I fear that all the nitpicking may
drive away some people. So... can we make the not-quite-videobloggers feel welcome? I'll admit the definitions can get a little annoying to read, but I
have found myself justifying the difference between many vlog-related words lately. However, this discussion took a theoretical and technical turn, which I often enjoy.Verdi mentioned the idea of using video as the primary
delivery method.The other content, such as that found on a blog, would be hosted inside the video. Some people mentioned how this could be achieved using Quicktime, but
Flash 8 may be a much easier development platform.Yes it will take a financial investment and time to learn, but it can be fairly simple. For example, build a Flash shell that took two variables - the video
file path and a text file path, which will dictate what is visible to the user at any given time.Using the new alpha channels in video allows for button links on a layer above your video, and the links
could change points of time in the video or the text content file. Making that text file a dynamic php file (or AJAX) opens up for even more interactivity.Once built, the only development needed would be
to make new videos and associated text. I got discouraged by the quality of Flash video and I quit pursuing the development of this shell.Anybody have something similar?
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-28 Thread Michael Sullivan




I used to work with the company behind what was then called Throttlebox, a media wrapper technology for the Entertainment Industry.Here is a page with info that is amazingly still up:
http://www.creativenewmedia.com/Services/throttlebox.htmAt one point, they had contracts with several labels and put out these 'box' files for Madonna, Bowie, U2, Jim Morrison etc... The company went down during the early DRM Daze and also shows how difficult it is to build a sustainable business around a desktop application. In a sense, it was a head of it's time
But not you can do all this with Flash and Quicktime is still a viable framework too.I know another company, Clearsand, that puts out something called MediaForge which is also a media wrapper.. ( It used to be more like Macromedia Director and I owned it back in 1997, but they adapted to changing times). The current incarnation of their technology/community can be seen at: 
http://www.mediaforge.com/For a time, i started development on a cross-platform media wrapper using the IDE called Revolution Runtime (http://runrev.com/
). But my interests shifted to Open Media and not Closed DRMesque wrappers... But wrappers can be used intuitively for Open Media too... I just dont see it worth my time when the same is achievable in with web 2.0 technology.
anyway, back to work.sullOn 12/28/05, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, Deirdre Straughan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geez, I leave you guys alone for a couple of days and you're STILLwallowing in definitions. I'm glad you're having fun with it, but would be comforted by a few
clear statements that even though this group is called videoblogging,people who are doing things with video online that don't quite fit your definition (when and if you ever agree on one) are nonetheless welcome here.
 Entertaining though it is, I fear that all the nitpicking may drive away some people. So... can we make the not-quite-videobloggers feel welcome?I'll admit the definitions can get a little annoying to read, but I
have found myself justifying the difference between many vlog-relatedwords lately.However, this discussion took a theoretical and technical turn, whichI often enjoy.Verdi mentioned the idea of using video as the primary
delivery method.The other content, such as that found on a blog,would be hosted inside the video.Some people mentioned how this could be achieved using Quicktime, butFlash 8 may be a much easier development platform.Yes it will take a
financial investment and time to learn, but it can be fairly simple.For example, build a Flash shell that took two variables - the videofile path and a text file path, which will dictate what is visible to
the user at any given time.Using the new alpha channels in videoallows for button links on a layer above your video, and the linkscould change points of time in the video or the text content file.Making that text file a dynamic php file (or AJAX) opens up for even
more interactivity.Once built, the only development needed would beto make new videos and associated text.I got discouraged by the quality of Flash video and I quit pursuingthe development of this shell.Anybody have something similar?
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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-28 Thread Edmund Yeo

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 that is hysterical.
 and i totally back vsocial.  they get it.
 

Is there any limit for how large your files can be? Or how much you
can edit per month?

I use boltfolio (http://www.boltfolio.com), which is kinda similar
(with the badges and stuff), but they only allow 50mb files, and that
you can only upload 100mb a month.

Still pondering whether I should change from boltfolio to vsocial. Hmm.

(BTW: My boltfolio portfolio is
http://www.boltfolio.com/portfolio/video/?membername=edmundyeo )

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-28 Thread Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Geez, I leave you guys alone for a couple of days and you're STILL
wallowing
 in definitions.
 

I know you're probably kidding.  But I do think there's value in
exploring the different technical and theoretical possibilities in the
emerging media of videoblogging.

 I'm glad you're having fun with it, but would be comforted by a few
clear
 statements 

Since this is a developing, changing area with some things that
Andreas, Adrian Miles and others are doing have not yet been easily
implemented for general usage.  And new devices, standards will
probably develop a year from that don't exist now.  A definitive
statement is probably not possible yet.


that even though this group is called videoblogging, people who
 are doing things with video online that don't quite fit your definition
 (when and if you ever agree on one) are nonetheless welcome here.
 Entertaining though it is, I fear that all the nitpicking may drive away
 some people.

Some of this is not nitpicking.  There is conceptualy exploration on
the workings and possiblities of a developing media form, videoblogging.  

Personally I think this is a good location for such discussion.  I see
locations like http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vlogtheory as usefull
when a workable, clear theory comes about.  There the theory can be
codified, expanded and such.  But for a variety of clear, intelligent,
cogent views to hash and compete things out, an open, unrestricted
discussion is better.  A place like this where there are many
competing signals and some noise that brings in new views.  

I don't think people who are not interested in such discussions should
be intimidated.  I don't talk theory to look down on people, but
because I think it's useful.  And if someone doesn't like the
conversation, they can avoid the thread.  But I don't think people
should be limited in their range of discussion based on someone else
possibly being offended.

On noise and alternate views, I disagree with completing dismissing
competing proposals such as Will's assertion on the supremacy of
content to media.  There is a DNA of content that often persists
across different media.  The syntax of film (cutting, lighting, etc.)
is recognizable even when it's been transformed in the media of
television.

  -- Enric
  
 
 So... can we make the not-quite-videobloggers feel welcome?
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-27 Thread LeanBackVids.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The difference in this example is the RSS Feed is not utilizing
the item
 'enclosure' to syndicate the video away from the blog post
instead the
 RSS Feed is used to alert a subscribing audience that their is a new
video
 and story posted.  Users follow the permalink and watch the video on
the web
 site.   The business logic in doing this supports the idea that web
traffic
 is more important and an executive decision is made to assure that
traffic
 to the site is maximized.  Revenue depends on it through sponsor
ads and
 the such.
 
 So here we have a situation where RSS is used, just not with
enclosures or
 mRSS or any XML spec that allows for easy media attachments so
aggregators
 can download them.
 What we have here is definately a blog and definately a videoblog.
 
 What is missing is the vodcast/podcast.
 

Actually, I may start doing the exact same thing with LeanBackVids and
Ridertech... The reason being that iTunes and the video iPod have made
video podcasting too expensive.  

Starting last week, the Podcasting page within the iTunes Music Store
began featuring a promo for Surf, Skate  Snow Videos.  We got
listed, but we were not as visible as the top four on this page...

http://tinyurl.com/9l5h9
(Note, this is an iTunes link)

Of course the numbers started to rise immediately, but there was a big
jump on Christmas Day.  Within the last two days, we've served up over
100 GBs of data and will probably exceed our monthly hosting cost by
$100.  However, other sites that were featured have already been shut
down for going way over their limits.

Of course we could host the videos on a free service, but I have no
plans of ever doing so.  Don't ask, it is a personal belief and the
reasoning is best suited for another thread.

Anyways, so this brought me to the thought of RSS minus the media
enclousures.  It would shut out the iTunes users and promote site
traffic (and hopefully comments).

Other than free hosting we could pursue sponsorship or advertising,
but I just don't see the market evolved enough for that.

We'll see, just thinking things out right now.  Too much of a good
thing may kill me this holiday season.

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-27 Thread Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's clear as day to me.
 
 I guess it depends upon the weather...


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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-27 Thread Matthew Clayfield

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You don't need a weather man
 To know which way the wind blows

But if you do:

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-27 Thread johngaltsjournal

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 But if you do:
 
 http://whetherman.blogspot.com/


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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-27 Thread Enric

Sounds like a matrix developing...or Epsilon Construct (calling Eric
Rice...)

  ;)

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So what do you call it if there is no blog, just a feed with videos,  
 but the videos are interactive and among other things include links  
 to blog posts?
 -Verdi (who thinks that sounds like a cool experiment)
 
 On Dec 27, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
 
  The difference in this example is the RSS Feed is not utilizing  
  the item 'enclosure' to syndicate the video away from the blog  
  post instead the RSS Feed is used to alert a subscribing  
  audience that their is a new video and story posted.  Users follow  
  the permalink and watch the video on the web site.   The business  
  logic in doing this supports the idea that web traffic is more  
  important and an executive decision is made to assure that traffic  
  to the site is maximized.  Revenue depends on it through  
  sponsor ads and the such.
 
  So here we have a situation where RSS is used, just not with  
  enclosures or mRSS or any XML spec that allows for easy media  
  attachments so aggregators can download them.
  What we have here is definately a blog and definately a videoblog.
 
  What is missing is the vodcast/podcast.
 
  As Steve pointed out, some do the opposite.  Some dont have the  
  blog but use software that generates the RSS feed with  
  enclosures... This is the vodcast/podcast with a missing blog.
  This is a different approach but instances of this are becoming  
  more common.  They will have a regular web page and associate their  
  'Channel' with it.  It makes sense for some projects and businesses.
 
  So, i dont agree that 'vlog' should encompass all of these  
  scenarios... instead you should look at terms suuch as  Internet  
  Video or Internet TV or even IPTV for that job.  Not 'vlog'.
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-27 Thread Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
 
  enhanced vodcast
 
 I guess what I'm talking about is putting the blog into the video.  
 Can a blog be in a video?
 -Verdi


I don't think so.  A blog is not time based, but stationary and
interactive.  How would one put comments into it while a video and/or
audio runns?  A seperate area that is not part of the video or audio
has to become available that is stationary for entry.  Links persist
across frames, but I don't see how comments can work inside timebased
media.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-25 Thread Joshua Kinberg

I think people too often confuse the what is a videoblog question as
though it has something to do with the style of content (or the
contents of the content). I would say that videoblogging has nothing
to do with content and everything to do with medium.

videoblog = video + blog

so the question has more to do with what is a blog as that is really
the medium. The video is simply a variable element that may or may not
be part of a blog entry.

Downloadable video is not a videoblog (i.e. Desperate Housewives
available on the iTunes Store is not a videoblog... this has nothing
to do with Desperate Housewives as content, but everything to do with
context).

Videoblogs may be video on the web, but not every video on the web is
a videoblog.

Videoblogs have little or nothing to do with personal video, however
the personal video aesthetic may be a good fit for the blogging medium
as many blogs tend to come from an individual voice.

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Will,
 you are wrong.
 Andreas is right.
 
 Michael you're wrong.
 Will is right.
 
 ...because I say so.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-25 Thread Deirdre Straughan




Here we go with the semantics again. Perhaps the root of the problem lies not in definitions but in the name of this group. It seems logical (to me, at least) that videoblog does indeed = video+blog. Therefore we're talking about video attached to/embedded in a web page, with RSS. comments and other features common to blogs.
So, if this is a videoblogging group, we should strictly be talking only about that.However, there are lots of folks here who are interested in delivering personally-produced video content over the Internet, whether or not in the context of a blog. These people have the same technical problems as real videobloggers, so it makes sense for them to be here where they can get their questions answered and contribute in turn.
But no one likes to feel excluded from a group, hence their/my/our resistance to exclusive definitions of videoblogs.Perhaps we can end the battle by stating once and for all that, whether or not what you're doing is a real videoblog, you're welcome here anyhow. At least, I think you are. 
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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-25 Thread Richard Bennett-Forrest

Wouldn't a futurecaster know best?

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, wtrainbow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This makes no sense at all.  In fact by your own definitions you
don't get the right to 
 assert that you are a videoblogger. If I consume your video posts
exclusively through 
 iTunes or Fireant you're saying it isn't a videoblog it's a videocast???

  The medium is the message.
 -- Marshall McLuhan

From The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition.  2002
http://www.bartleby.com/59/17/mediumisthem.html:

=
A statement by Marshall McLuhan, meaning that the form of a message
(print, visual, musical, etc.) determines the ways in which that
message will be perceived. McLuhan argued that modern electronic
communications (including radio, television, films, and computers)
would have far-reaching sociological, aesthetic, and philosophical
consequences, to the point of actually altering the ways in which we
experience the world.
=

   -- Enric
   -===-
   http://www.cirne.com
   Determine Media (therefore, the message)

 
 Conversely, if you published epsiodes of Punky Brewster in your
blog template with 
 sidebars links etc. that would constitute a videoblog? What would
you consider 
 rocketboom??? It would have to be both according to your reasoning.
 
 This convoluted thinking leads to greater confusion than
clarification; particularly to the 
 greater audience not versed in RSS, feeds, aggregators etc. 
 
 I would argue a better, more useful distinction is one based on
content. I believe the 
 connotation of videblog is something personal, not contrived and
often produced by one 
 person with posts being irregular.  A video podcast seems to suggest
a more produced, 
 often scripted production that is produced more or less on a fixed
schedule. It seems to 
 be this is a more helpful distinction than the means by wish people
view the video.
 
 In talking with people that are unfamiliar with videoblogging or
video podcasting, and as 
 journalists continue to write about this movement, I think these
definitions are becoming 
 more meaningful and I hope become more useful and less disorienting.
 
 Will
 
  
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  We're speaking past eachother, I think. There are two kinds of  
  videoblogging - for the sake of the argument we can call one  
  videoblogging and the other video podcasting.
  
  The first includes aspects of the blog. It's a remediation of the
blog and  
  tv (among others). Think McLuhan. The latter is a transparent
remediation  
  of tv. It's faithful to tv.
  
  The difference is easiest to see in reading patterns.
Videoblogging are  
  read like blogs, they are small pieces loosely joined (by the
reader). The  
  latter is read like tv, one at the time. Seperated, passively.
  
  Read this for an intermission URL:  
 
http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vlog/archives/2005/12/24/tv-killed-voggings-star/
 
  
  
  When I say embedded video gives the best reading experience for
web video,  
  I am talking about videoblogging. A blog entry is *not* the frames
that  
  make up the video. It is also the surrounding blog post, the
comments, the  
  title, the sidebar, the entire network around it (inbound and
outbound  
  links). That is what makes blogging different from old media. When
you  
  take the video and move it to an iPod it may be the same frames,
but it is  
  not the same Work - it is the same video, but a new media and
different  
  content.
  
  I make videoblogging, and my personaly interest is videoblogging.
Content  
  that works well in a videoblogging setting is different from
content that  
  works well in a video podcasting setting. Just as there is content
which  
  works better on tv than in radio (a boxing match comes to mind).
Thinking  
  they're the same is naive.
  
  - Andreas
  
  PS. Did evilvlog begin censoring itself?
  
  
  On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:33:34 +0100, Michael Meiser  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Andreas, I understand your perspective, and respect and find your
   methods interesting, but there's thousands and thousands of people
   who disagree with your idea of best practices.
  
   Alternatively... I think getting all my vlogs automatically
   downloaded and synced to my video ipod is the best thing ever. I
   watch them on my TV while working on my laptop, and through mefeedia
   am able to easily work, or if I see something interesting... quickly
   find the original post and follow up on it. The disconnect that I
   thought would happen do to putting videos on TV has NOT happened in
   fact... I find i can comment and follow more vlogs. If I miss
   something I just hit the pause button or rewind on the iPod... if I
   am bored with a clip I skip it...  All the while I can follow along
   on mefeedia on my laptop... tagging things, marking favorites...
   following up on

[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-25 Thread monika_lyman

Very well said.  While I understand the desire to define 
videoblogging, it seems that a tight definition will exclude or 
intimidate some people who are trying to express themselves in this 
medium.  Part of what attracts me to videoblogging is the wide 
diversity of expression that I find.  A little bit of anarchy is not 
necessarily such a bad thing, especially when it comes to creative 
expression.

Monika Lyman

nurse2be.blogspot.com


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here we go with the semantics again. Perhaps the root of the 
problem lies
 not in definitions but in the name of this group. It seems logical 
(to me,
 at least) that videoblog does indeed = video+blog. Therefore we're 
talking
 about video attached to/embedded in a web page, with RSS. comments 
and other
 features common to blogs.
 
 So, if this is a videoblogging group, we should strictly be talking 
only
 about that.
 
 However, there are lots of folks here who are interested in 
delivering
 personally-produced video content over the Internet, whether or not 
in the
 context of a blog. These people have the same technical problems 
as real
 videobloggers, so it makes sense for them to be here where they can 
get
 their questions answered and contribute in turn.
 
 But no one likes to feel excluded from a group, hence their/my/our
 resistance to exclusive definitions of videoblogs.
 
 Perhaps we can end the battle by stating once and for all that, 
whether or
 not what you're doing is a real videoblog, you're welcome here 
anyhow. At
 least, I think you are.
 
 
 --
 best regards,
 Deirdré Straughan
 
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 www.tvblob.com (work)








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RE: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-25 Thread Mike Meiser

On 12/24/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I don't think Tivo is Television.Classical television cannot not beautomaticaly stored, retrieved, scanned and viewed out of order (this
can be manually performmed with programming recorders -- but justabout anything can be put into a manual process.)So I think this isan intermediate medium to Blogging.I'd call it a Tivo medium withthe iPod containing similar capacity.It lacks the full two way
interaction of Blogs, but contains the automatic storage, scanning andretrieval capability.

Actually... I've found that playing back video blogs on the TV can be quite the two way experience. Now, I'm using my iPod, BUT I suppose a Tivo might work just as well. What makes it work is having a parrellel queue... a landing page where by you can follow along as you wish. Also a remote for your ipod or tivo comes in handy, of course for skipping, pausing, restarting or rewinding.Here's an example workflow we set up with mefeedia... First mefeedia automatically creates for you a web based browseable queue as it has from the start... but now it also provides for you a single personal RSS feed that directly parrallels that queue. The RSS feed hence goes to your Fireant, iTunes/ipod or perhaps in the future tivo or Akimbo as they start to better support vlogs... Basically you can instantly pull up your watch page on your laptop and jump to any post your watching on TV. Since the order of video playback and videos in your queue roughly correspond it's easy to follow along.. That said... I don't normally follow along for EVERY vlog post... In fact I mostly passively watch video... then when something catches my interest I jump to my queue and follow up on it by tagging it, favoriting it for future reference or commenting... of course there are other options like re-vlogging, but you get the idea.

Case in point the other day I was watching all manner of G4Tech TV and rocketboom and mobuzz and Steve Garfields vlog soup came on... In it were perhaps 8 new vlogs, 3 of which based on steve's review I found VERY interesting. While it played I pulled up mefeedia did quick quiries based on the vlog names from steve, browsed and previewed them and added them to my video queue. All simultaneously while videos continued to play, except for a brief period where I had to rewind a little to catch the spelling on one of the vlog names.

Now this is not saying this will work for everyone... However I find that the passive TV experience and the active experience of using a laptop is a very powerful combination... not nearly so interactive as one might think... but it does depend on some sort of easy to get at landing page with which you can follow along, the laptop or a computer set up withing viewing proximity of TV, and some sort of RSS capable device. t's justone of thousands of workflow scenarios. Workflow scenarios are my thing I guess these day... I find it extremely interesting the way vloggers watch vlogs... do they use mefeedia, ant, itunes, the ipod do they watch online, or offline, how often do they comment, tag, revlog, favorite... whatother actions do they like to perform while vlogging? Everyone's experience is completely different and they're all VERY legitimat... This is exactly why I hate streaming media, DRM. and other closed systems... they fundamentally endoctrinate workflows that are wholey incompatible with some of the tremendous ways we can use media... it's not just that you HAVE to watch google's videos in the web browser experience only but that you can't create a playlist, you can't comment, you can't play it offline... you can't put it on your tivo... you can't format shift itso it'll work on linux, or the PSP. In fact that's a good point... in order to simply play a DVD on linux you STILLhave to install software that breaks the law. This is not about the copyright holders rights or law... it's the reality of media.

Mark my words the future of media is open and portable... because the benifits to media being sociable are just to great and problems of such technological controls and even technological implimentation of law are to high. I may bave said all this before... but DRM may exist in the corners of the network... but the CENTER of the network, and indeed the vast majority of it will be open, because well you can't be the center of crap if you're a walled garden.

So, this is how little things are affected by BIG issues It's that this media is open that gives us the accessibility to create usable experiences like thisone simple workflow I've talked about.That said there are two things that I see that need improving.

1) someone needs to create a plugin for iTunes using their API that automatically rips all non-drm podcast videos to mp4's and deletes the original... while retaining all meta information. I think FireAnt is also working on such functionality for use with the ipod and PSP... And indeed that's a great way to handle format

[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, wtrainbow [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 This makes no sense at all.  In fact by your own definitions you 
don't get the right to 
 assert that you are a videoblogger. If I consume your video posts 
exclusively through 
 iTunes or Fireant you're saying it isn't a videoblog it's a 
videocast???

No, it's not. Not in that instance of reading. In iTunes anyway, 
FireANT is an exception because it retains links, displays text from 
the blog post and provides for an easy way to go to the blog post. 
Same as when you read a blog through any RSS reader.

 Conversely, if you published epsiodes of Punky Brewster in your 
blog template with 
 sidebars links etc. that would constitute a videoblog? What would 
you consider 
 rocketboom??? It would have to be both according to your reasoning.

No. I was not trying to put down a definition. I don't know where you 
got that idea. A definition would include other factors that exclude 
Deperate Housewives in a blog template (because they are not read as a 
blog).

I was trying to get the point across that reading videoblogs in a 
blog, or in FireANT is a different ballgame than watching videoblogs 
on an iPod in the bus.

 This convoluted thinking leads to greater confusion than 
clarification; particularly to the 
 greater audience not versed in RSS, feeds, aggregators etc. 

I'm talking with Michael Meiser. He's a smart guy. I'm not trying to 
talk to a general audience - If I was I wouldn't drop names like 
McLuhan in the middle of things.

 I would argue a better, more useful distinction is one based on 
content.

Being informal and personal is a factor in blogs, but it's just as big 
a factor in what I called video podcasting. You can't distinguish 
based on it.

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

I think you've had too much cough syrup...

What is your definition of videoblog? I have yet to see a congent one.  If I 
post a video to 
my web site is that all of a sudden a videoblog? Or do I need a sidebar with 
links too? Or 
do I need tags too? Do I need to allow comments to have a videoblog?

The only distinction I can detect from you view is that a videoblog doesn't 
require an RSS 
feed while a videocast does. 

And as you noted, most videoblogs do have an RSS feed so consequently most are 
blogs 
and casts. 

Can you show me an example of a videoblog that doesn't have a RSS feed?  I 
don't believe 
I've come across one.

And I think this what is problematic with the semantics.  Virtually all 
videblogs are 
vodcasts in a strcit sense.

Holiday regards,

Will



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Will,
 you are wrong.
 Andreas is right.
 I have also been conveying the same thoughts for months.
 That is why in the debates on definitions and language, I had pushed for the
 realization of two terms to use.
 videoblogging and vodcasting (aka video podcasting, video on demand)
 Most videobloggers have a vodcast, some do not.
 the content, genres, styles etc are absolutely not relevent to wither of
 these two distinctions even if a trend happens to exist.
 videoblog content can be ANYTHING.  if the videoblogger takes advantage of
 RSS to make the content subscribable and distributable, then this vodcast,
 obviously can be ANYTHING.
 
 sull
 
 On 12/25/05, wtrainbow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  This makes no sense at all.  In fact by your own definitions you don't get
  the right to
  assert that you are a videoblogger. If I consume your video posts
  exclusively through
  iTunes or Fireant you're saying it isn't a videoblog it's a videocast???
 
  Conversely, if you published epsiodes of Punky Brewster in your blog
  template with
  sidebars links etc. that would constitute a videoblog? What would you
  consider
  rocketboom??? It would have to be both according to your reasoning.
 
  This convoluted thinking leads to greater confusion than clarification;
  particularly to the
  greater audience not versed in RSS, feeds, aggregators etc.
 
  I would argue a better, more useful distinction is one based on content. I
  believe the
  connotation of videblog is something personal, not contrived and often
  produced by one
  person with posts being irregular.  A video podcast seems to suggest a
  more produced,
  often scripted production that is produced more or less on a fixed
  schedule. It seems to
  be this is a more helpful distinction than the means by wish people view
  the video.
 
  In talking with people that are unfamiliar with videoblogging or video
  podcasting, and as
  journalists continue to write about this movement, I think these
  definitions are becoming
  more meaningful and I hope become more useful and less disorienting.
 
  Will
 
 
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   We're speaking past eachother, I think. There are two kinds of
   videoblogging - for the sake of the argument we can call one
   videoblogging and the other video podcasting.
  
   The first includes aspects of the blog. It's a remediation of the blog
  and
   tv (among others). Think McLuhan. The latter is a transparent
  remediation
   of tv. It's faithful to tv.
  
   The difference is easiest to see in reading patterns. Videoblogging are
   read like blogs, they are small pieces loosely joined (by the reader).
  The
   latter is read like tv, one at the time. Seperated, passively.
  
   Read this for an intermission URL:
  
  http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vlog/archives/2005/12/24/tv-killed-voggings-star/
   
  
   When I say embedded video gives the best reading experience for web
  video,
   I am talking about videoblogging. A blog entry is *not* the frames that
   make up the video. It is also the surrounding blog post, the comments,
  the
   title, the sidebar, the entire network around it (inbound and outbound
   links). That is what makes blogging different from old media. When you
   take the video and move it to an iPod it may be the same frames, but it
  is
   not the same Work - it is the same video, but a new media and different
   content.
  
   I make videoblogging, and my personaly interest is videoblogging.
  Content
   that works well in a videoblogging setting is different from content
  that
   works well in a video podcasting setting. Just as there is content which
   works better on tv than in radio (a boxing match comes to mind).
  Thinking
   they're the same is naive.
  
   - Andreas
  
   PS. Did evilvlog begin censoring itself?
  
  
   On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:33:34 +0100, Michael Meiser
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Andreas, I understand your perspective, and respect and find your
methods interesting, but there's thousands and thousands of people
who disagree

[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

Yes, I see the future as untethered where our knowledge, interaction
and work follows our activity.  A scenario of this:  We can be at home
in the business room working on a product, paying bills, and notice a
interesting vlog episode.  Mark that vlog episode to take along -- it
goes onto a portable device along with work objects to be completed
tagged to take with us.  We take the portable device and call a friend
through it that we're meeting at a cafe saying we're on our way.  On
the way we listen to a podcast on an technical subject we want to
understand.  We get to the cafe early and enjoy watching, linking from
and commenting on vlogs until our friend arrives.

  -- Enric
  -==-
  http://www.cirne.com
  Determine Media

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 12/24/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I don't think Tivo is Television.  Classical television cannot not be
  automaticaly stored, retrieved, scanned and viewed out of order (this
  can be manually performmed with programming recorders -- but just
  about anything can be put into a manual process.)  So I think this is
  an intermediate medium to Blogging.  I'd call it a Tivo medium with
  the iPod containing similar capacity.  It lacks the full two way
  interaction of Blogs, but contains the automatic storage, scanning and
  retrieval capability.
 
 
 
 Actually...  I've found that playing back video blogs on the TV can
be quite
 the two way experience. Now, I'm using my iPod, BUT I suppose a Tivo
might
 work just as well. What makes it work is having a parrellel queue... a
 landing page where by you can follow along as you wish. Also a
remote for
 your ipod or tivo comes in handy, of course for skipping, pausing,
 restarting or rewinding. Here's an example workflow we set up with
 mefeedia... First mefeedia automatically creates for you a web based
 browseable queue as it has from the start... but now it also
provides for
 you a single personal RSS feed that directly parrallels that queue.
The RSS
 feed hence goes to your Fireant, iTunes/ipod  or perhaps in the
future tivo
 or Akimbo as they start to better support vlogs... Basically you can
 instantly pull up your watch page on your laptop and jump to any
post your
 watching on TV. Since the order of video playback and videos in your
queue
 roughly correspond it's easy to follow along..  That said... I don't
 normally follow along for EVERY vlog post... In fact I mostly
passively
 watch video... then when something catches my interest I jump to my
queue
 and follow up on it by tagging it, favoriting it for future reference or
 commenting... of course there are other options like re-vlogging,
but you
 get the idea.
 
 Case in point the other day I was watching all manner of G4Tech TV and
 rocketboom and mobuzz and Steve Garfields vlog soup came on... In it
were
 perhaps 8 new vlogs, 3 of which based on steve's review I found VERY
 interesting. While it played I pulled up mefeedia did quick quiries
based on
 the vlog names from steve, browsed and previewed them and added them
to my
 video queue. All simultaneously while videos continued to play,
except for a
 brief period where I had to rewind a little to catch the spelling on
one of
 the vlog names.
 
 Now this is not saying this will work for everyone... However I find
that
 the passive TV experience and the active experience of using a
laptop is a
 very powerful combination... not nearly so interactive as one might
think...
 but it does depend on some sort of easy to get at landing page with
which
 you can follow along, the laptop or a computer set up withing viewing
 proximity of TV, and some sort of RSS capable device. t's just one of
 thousands of workflow scenarios.  Workflow scenarios are my thing
I guess
 these day... I find it extremely interesting the way vloggers watch
vlogs...
 do they use mefeedia, ant, itunes, the ipod  do they watch
online, or
 offline, how often do they comment, tag, revlog, favorite... what other
 actions do they like to perform while vlogging? Everyone's
experience is
 completely different and they're all VERY legitimat... This is
exactly why I
 hate streaming media, DRM. and other closed systems... they
fundamentally
 endoctrinate workflows that are wholey incompatible with some of the
 tremendous ways we can use media... it's not just that you HAVE to watch
 google's videos in the web browser experience only but that you
can't
 create a playlist, you can't comment, you can't play it offline...
you can't
 put it on your tivo... you can't format shift it so it'll work on
linux, or
 the PSP. In fact that's a good point... in order to simply play a DVD on
 linux you STILL have to install software that breaks the law. This
is not
 about the copyright holders rights or law... it's the reality of media.
 
 Mark my words the future of media is open and portable... because the
 benifits to media being sociable are just to great and problems of
such

[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

This may be true in your own mind but apart from this insular community, 
videoblog clearly 
has a personal connotation inherited from the word blog.  Ask people who have 
no idea what 
a videoblog is. As you stated most people perceive blogs coming from an 
individual voice.

In a strict technical sense what you say may be true but I don't that is the 
the average joe 
interpets it that way.

I agree with you that the quandry is understanding what a blog is and the 
reconciling what 
we would like it to be with the perceptions of the larger public.

Will


 
 Videoblogs have little or nothing to do with personal video, however
 the personal video aesthetic may be a good fit for the blogging medium
 as many blogs tend to come from an individual voice.
 
 -Josh








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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 No. I was not trying to put down a definition. I don't know where you 
 got that idea. A definition would include other factors that exclude 
 Deperate Housewives in a blog template (because they are not read as a 
 blog).

Then what is your definition of videblog? You seem to prefer to refer to 
yourself as a 
videoblogger but aren't you a video podcaster as well if I can watch your posts 
in iTunes? 
 
 I was trying to get the point across that reading videoblogs in a 
 blog, or in FireANT is a different ballgame than watching videoblogs 
 on an iPod in the bus.

True but you don't decide how a consumer views your video if you're including a 
feed or 
make it available as a download. If you truly wanted to be a true videoblogger 
(i.e the 
require the viewer to remain in the context of the blog) why even offer RSS 
and allow 
people to view the video in iTunes or other aggregators?

 I'm talking with Michael Meiser. He's a smart guy. I'm not trying to 
 talk to a general audience - If I was I wouldn't drop names like 
 McLuhan in the middle of things.

Although it's not a general audience, this forum includes over 2000 people. If 
you want to 
behave like a bunch of mandarins why not keep it off list? 

 Being informal and personal is a factor in blogs, but it's just as big 
 a factor in what I called video podcasting. You can't distinguish 
 based on it.

You certainly can make distinctions based on content.  Documentaries and 
narrative films 
are both movies but are cleary different (i.e. fiction and fact) in their 
content.  You don't 
think these are useful distinctions? 

Will
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, wtrainbow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  No. I was not trying to put down a definition. I don't know where you 
  got that idea. A definition would include other factors that exclude 
  Deperate Housewives in a blog template (because they are not read
as a 
  blog).
 
 Then what is your definition of videblog? You seem to prefer to
refer to yourself as a 
 videoblogger but aren't you a video podcaster as well if I can watch
your posts in iTunes? 
  
  I was trying to get the point across that reading videoblogs in a 
  blog, or in FireANT is a different ballgame than watching videoblogs 
  on an iPod in the bus.
 
 True but you don't decide how a consumer views your video if you're
including a feed or 
 make it available as a download. If you truly wanted to be a true
videoblogger (i.e the 
 require the viewer to remain in the context of the blog) why even
offer RSS and allow 
 people to view the video in iTunes or other aggregators?

It's becoming less and less that a work performed into a medium
remains static to where originated.  It was controversial in the '80's
film community when Scorcese said he shot with the dimension and
action safe are of TV in mind -- because he expected his films to be
shown on television.  Now not only can a work change contexts (film
theatre, television, videoglob, videocast) but also content
(remixing).  We're in a transitional period, adjustmenting and
rethinking about what it means to create a media work.

  -- Enric
  -==-
  http://www.cirne.com
  Determine Media

 
  I'm talking with Michael Meiser. He's a smart guy. I'm not trying to 
  talk to a general audience - If I was I wouldn't drop names like 
  McLuhan in the middle of things.
 
 Although it's not a general audience, this forum includes over 2000
people. If you want to 
 behave like a bunch of mandarins why not keep it off list? 
 
  Being informal and personal is a factor in blogs, but it's just as
big 
  a factor in what I called video podcasting. You can't distinguish 
  based on it.
 
 You certainly can make distinctions based on content.  Documentaries
and narrative films 
 are both movies but are cleary different (i.e. fiction and fact) in
their content.  You don't 
 think these are useful distinctions? 
 
 Will
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:57:09 +0100, wtrainbow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And I think this what is problematic with the semantics.  Virtually all  
 videblogs are
 vodcasts in a strcit sense.

No, almost all videoblogs - *right now* - *can* be used as vodcasts. And I  
failt to see why that's a problem with semantics.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:34:03 +0100, wtrainbow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No. I was not trying to put down a definition. I don't know where you
 got that idea. A definition would include other factors that exclude
 Deperate Housewives in a blog template (because they are not read as a
 blog).

 Then what is your definition of videblog? You seem to prefer to refer to  
 yourself as a
 videoblogger but aren't you a video podcaster as well if I can watch  
 your posts in iTunes?

We weren't talking definitions until you came along. Do you realise how  
hot the waters tend to get when that topics comes around? There was a  
reason I was only making one point about there being a difference, and not  
a definition discussion.

That said my current videoblog definition runs at 67,000 characters. I  
would summarize, but then you would just attack it as being a  
generalization (even though it has to be since it's a summary). I would be  
happy to send it to you, but it's in Danish.

 I was trying to get the point across that reading videoblogs in a
 blog, or in FireANT is a different ballgame than watching videoblogs
 on an iPod in the bus.

 True but you don't decide how a consumer views your video if you're  
 including a feed or
 make it available as a download. If you truly wanted to be a true  
 videoblogger (i.e the
 require the viewer to remain in the context of the blog) why even  
 offer RSS and allow
 people to view the video in iTunes or other aggregators?

You are creating problems where there are none. Many videoblogs can be  
remediated into vodcasts - I'm saying when you do it is no longer a  
videoblog, it is something else. I'm not calling judgement on anyone. I'm  
not saying that to be a true videoblogger you have to force your viewers  
to view your content in a certain way. That would be very silly, I'm all  
for the free movement of content - Meiser is the resident evangelist and  
I'm all behind him.

What I *am* saying is that when you do move content from one media to  
another the content is not unaffected. Thus a videoblog moved to an iPod  
is no longer a videoblog for that viewing situation.

 I'm talking with Michael Meiser. He's a smart guy. I'm not trying to
 talk to a general audience - If I was I wouldn't drop names like
 McLuhan in the middle of things.

 Although it's not a general audience, this forum includes over 2000  
 people. If you want to
 behave like a bunch of mandarins why not keep it off list?

I don't want to behave like a mandarin. My point is that I can't speak to  
the lowest common denominator every time. If I did we'd never get anywhere.

 Being informal and personal is a factor in blogs, but it's just as big
 a factor in what I called video podcasting. You can't distinguish
 based on it.

 You certainly can make distinctions based on content.  Documentaries and  
 narrative films
 are both movies but are cleary different (i.e. fiction and fact) in  
 their content.  You don't
 think these are useful distinctions?

Read what I write instead of what you want to read. I was speaking of a  
specific situation. Since videoblogs and vodcasts both share the personal  
factor you cannot use that factor to distinguish between the two. It is  
only logical.

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

Look up semantics...

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:57:09 +0100, wtrainbow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And I think this what is problematic with the semantics.  Virtually all  
  videblogs are
  vodcasts in a strcit sense.
 
 No, almost all videoblogs - *right now* - *can* be used as vodcasts. And I  
 failt to see why that's a problem with semantics.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-25 Thread andrew michael baron

Ho, Ho, ho!

VIA:
http://tinyurl.com/9ovn6

How to locate the direct URL of a Google Video:

Go to Google Video and find a video.
View the page source code and search for the keyword ‘googleplayer‘.
Copy and paste the videoUrl parameter (all of the characters after  
the keyword ‘videoUrl=’)
Press Ctrl-L to go to URL location bar. Type Javascript:unescape 
(”videoUrl”) where videoUrl should be the last parameter you have  
copied into the clipboard.
It should output the actual URL on the broswer, copy and paste that  
URL onto your browser location bar again to download the FLV movie.
Play it with a FLV Player.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-25 Thread Michael Sullivan




you are either missing the point or choosing to ignore it.either way, respectfully, you are still wrong.now where is my DXMOn 12/25/05, 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:17:13 +0100, Mike Meiser  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 12/24/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't think Tivo is Television.  Classical television cannot not be
 automaticaly stored, retrieved, scanned and viewed out of order (this
 can be manually performmed with programming recorders -- but just
 about anything can be put into a manual process.)  So I think this is
 an intermediate medium to Blogging.  I'd call it a Tivo medium with
 the iPod containing similar capacity.  It lacks the full two way
 interaction of Blogs, but contains the automatic storage, scanning and
 retrieval capability.

In this case you can look at three kinds of interactivity.

  - Transmission. Viewer selects from preprogrammed flow of content. The  
way tv works. Not really much interactivity, but hey.
  - Consultation. Viewer selects from a pool of content. Video on-demand,  
Tivo, iPod. Web reading works by consultation also, but it's different  
 from video on-demand (see below).
  - Conversation. Viewer can add content to the pool of content (affecting  
the viewing situation for others). Integrated on blogs. Not present in  
video on-demand.

That's a simplified view on interactivity. In reality I subscribe to a  
variation where there is a fourth type (registration) and they're ordered  
in a cube with a total of 12 different types. But this is enough for my  
point here. No, I didn't think up the cube model, but I wish I did.

Blogs and video on-demand are both forms of consultative interactivity.  
There is a pool of content and the reader picks which ones to watch and in  
which order to read them. But they are different nevertheless. In video  
on-demand situations the individual pieces are not seen as being part of a  
whole. They are individual blocks - you pick something to watch, you watch  
it and then you pick something else to watch (or you create a playlist  
ahead of time). The typical situation is an iPod or a DVD (menu: movie   
extra material).

On the blog the pieces are a part of a network. The pieces don't live on  
their own, but largely in their connections with other pieces. You can  
read a piece and go further into the network by following connections from  
that piece to the next creating your own little 'path' through the  
blogosphere. This is less apparent in videoblogs than in blogs partly  
because links in video are harder to do, partly because videobloggers  
don't link as much (they are linking a whole lot more than they used to!).  
It is a very different reading situation, and the meaning created if very  
different from that of the video on-demand system.

Add the fact that conversational interactivity is integrated into the  
blogs and the whole thing blows up in your face. Now you are a participant  
on equal terms with anyone else. You can recontexualise any other piece by  
creating your own piece and making a connection between the two.

And then Michael describes his own setup:

 Actually...  I've found that playing back video blogs on the TV can be  
 quite
 the two way experience. Now, I'm using my iPod, BUT I suppose a Tivo  
 might
 work just as well. What makes it work is having a parrellel queue... a
 landing page where by you can follow along as you wish. Also a remote for
 your ipod or tivo comes in handy, of course for skipping, pausing,
 restarting or rewinding. Here's an example workflow we set up with
 mefeedia... First mefeedia automatically creates for you a web based
 browseable queue as it has from the start... but now it also provides for
 you a single personal RSS feed that directly parrallels that queue. The  
 RSS
 feed hence goes to your Fireant, iTunes/ipod  or perhaps in the future  
 tivo
 or Akimbo as they start to better support vlogs... Basically you can
 instantly pull up your watch page on your laptop and jump to any post  
 your
 watching on TV.
[SNIP a bunch - you know how it is, Michael :o)]

What you're describing here is not a video podcasting system (not how I  
describe video podcasting above). It behaves more like a blog-system than  
a video on-demand system. Like setting up a second monitor on your  
computer.
You are one-step removed from the blog in much the same way that you are  
one-step removed from a blog entry when you read blogs through a feed  
reader. The big difference being that you loose anything *not* in the  
video file itself such as additional text with links and explanations.  
That's a big drawback in my book, but if that's how you watch, that's how  
you watch. It's sort of a mix between the blog and the video on-demand  
system where you get the disconnect from the on-demand system while  
retaining the potential of the blog's activity (the potential, it's not  
actually there while you watch).

What I don't get is why you just don't watch the video in a seperate  
window on the computer?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-25 Thread Joshua Kinberg

or install this greasemoneky script which does all that for you and
provides a nice download link on the page so you can click and save
as

 http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/archives/2005/11/greased_google.php 

-Josh


On 12/25/05, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ho, Ho, ho!

 VIA:
 http://tinyurl.com/9ovn6

 How to locate the direct URL of a Google Video:

 Go to Google Video and find a video.
 View the page source code and search for the keyword 'googleplayer'.
 Copy and paste the videoUrl parameter (all of the characters after
 the keyword 'videoUrl=')
 Press Ctrl-L to go to URL location bar. Type Javascript:unescape
 (videoUrl) where videoUrl should be the last parameter you have
 copied into the clipboard.
 It should output the actual URL on the broswer, copy and paste that
 URL onto your browser location bar again to download the FLV movie.
 Play it with a FLV Player.



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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:17:13 +0100, Mike Meiser  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 12/24/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I don't think Tivo is Television.  Classical television cannot not be
  automaticaly stored, retrieved, scanned and viewed out of order (this
  can be manually performmed with programming recorders -- but just
  about anything can be put into a manual process.)  So I think this is
  an intermediate medium to Blogging.  I'd call it a Tivo medium with
  the iPod containing similar capacity.  It lacks the full two way
  interaction of Blogs, but contains the automatic storage,
scanning and
  retrieval capability.
 
 In this case you can look at three kinds of interactivity.
 
   - Transmission. Viewer selects from preprogrammed flow of content.
The  
 way tv works. Not really much interactivity, but hey.
   - Consultation. Viewer selects from a pool of content. Video
on-demand,  
 Tivo, iPod. Web reading works by consultation also, but it's different  
  from video on-demand (see below).
   - Conversation. Viewer can add content to the pool of content
(affecting  
 the viewing situation for others). Integrated on blogs. Not present in  
 video on-demand.
 
 That's a simplified view on interactivity. In reality I subscribe to a  
 variation where there is a fourth type (registration) and they're
ordered  
 in a cube with a total of 12 different types. But this is enough for
my  
 point here. No, I didn't think up the cube model, but I wish I did.
 
 Blogs and video on-demand are both forms of consultative
interactivity.  
 There is a pool of content and the reader picks which ones to watch
and in  
 which order to read them. But they are different nevertheless. In
video  
 on-demand situations the individual pieces are not seen as being
part of a  
 whole. They are individual blocks - you pick something to watch, you
watch  
 it and then you pick something else to watch (or you create a playlist  
 ahead of time). The typical situation is an iPod or a DVD (menu:
movie   
 extra material).
 
 On the blog the pieces are a part of a network. The pieces don't
live on  
 their own, but largely in their connections with other pieces. You can  
 read a piece and go further into the network by following
connections from  
 that piece to the next creating your own little 'path' through the  
 blogosphere. This is less apparent in videoblogs than in blogs partly  
 because links in video are harder to do, partly because videobloggers  
 don't link as much (they are linking a whole lot more than they used
to!).  
 It is a very different reading situation, and the meaning created if
very  
 different from that of the video on-demand system.
 
 Add the fact that conversational interactivity is integrated into the  
 blogs and the whole thing blows up in your face. Now you are a
participant  
 on equal terms with anyone else. You can recontexualise any other
piece by  
 creating your own piece and making a connection between the two.
 
 And then Michael describes his own setup:
 
  Actually...  I've found that playing back video blogs on the TV
can be  
  quite
  the two way experience. Now, I'm using my iPod, BUT I suppose a Tivo  
  might
  work just as well. What makes it work is having a parrellel queue... a
  landing page where by you can follow along as you wish. Also a
remote for
  your ipod or tivo comes in handy, of course for skipping, pausing,
  restarting or rewinding. Here's an example workflow we set up with
  mefeedia... First mefeedia automatically creates for you a web based
  browseable queue as it has from the start... but now it also
provides for
  you a single personal RSS feed that directly parrallels that
queue. The  
  RSS
  feed hence goes to your Fireant, iTunes/ipod  or perhaps in the
future  
  tivo
  or Akimbo as they start to better support vlogs... Basically you can
  instantly pull up your watch page on your laptop and jump to any
post  
  your
  watching on TV.
 [SNIP a bunch - you know how it is, Michael :o)]
 
 What you're describing here is not a video podcasting system (not
how I  
 describe video podcasting above). It behaves more like a blog-system
than  
 a video on-demand system. Like setting up a second monitor on your  
 computer.
 You are one-step removed from the blog in much the same way that you
are  
 one-step removed from a blog entry when you read blogs through a feed  
 reader. The big difference being that you loose anything *not* in the  
 video file itself such as additional text with links and explanations.  
 That's a big drawback in my book, but if that's how you watch,
that's how  
 you watch. It's sort of a mix between the blog and the video on-demand  
 system where you get the disconnect from the on-demand system while  
 retaining the potential of the blog's activity (the potential, it's
not  
 actually there while you watch).
 
 What I don't get is why

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:07:51 +0100, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The factor of compelling is larger and different on a large monitor or
 screen at a distance.  This allows an immersion and presence for the
 media piece not presently available on computer screens.  What is
 missing is a synchronization between such devices.

McLuhan actually claims that the immersion with tv (low-res in his day)  
was much larger than cinema (high-res) because the viewers had to get  
further into the work to understand it (fill out more blanks, so to  
speak). One could easily argue that immersion on blogs is even more  
extreme because of the interactivity.

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:07:51 +0100, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The factor of compelling is larger and different on a large monitor or
  screen at a distance.  This allows an immersion and presence for the
  media piece not presently available on computer screens.  What is
  missing is a synchronization between such devices.
 
 McLuhan actually claims that the immersion with tv (low-res in his
day)  
 was much larger than cinema (high-res) because the viewers had to get  
 further into the work to understand it (fill out more blanks, so to  
 speak). One could easily argue that immersion on blogs is even more  
 extreme because of the interactivity.
 
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Immersion is narrative and higher resolution facilitates rather than
hinders it.  It is the narrative signifiers left to the reader/viewer
that let them complete and immerse in the story.  It is cutting away
from a love scene to the rising dawn and lovers waking up in each
others arms that creates the narrative space for the viewer to fill in
their version of the sexual/emotional union.  This is also in text. 
But reading lower res text on a screen or lower res video on a monitor
does not facilitate immersion but distract from it.

The evidence is that people are drawn to higher resolution film
presentations for immersion rather than their television performances.
 Lawerenc of Arabia has less immersion on a 3x4 small screen TV than
in theatre showing a new 70mm print on widescreen.

  -- Enric





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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

I understand the point - I'm justing trying to challenge it because I don't 
ascribe to the 
McLuhan medium is the massage worldview which seems at the root of the debate.

In my assessment, the same video played in different contexts does not 
necessitate new 
designations for each context. 

A song on my iPod is the same song on my home stereo, in my car stereo, from my 
computer. Different envirnonments produce different experiences and possible 
forms of 
interaction  but I don't think that requires creating a new term for every 
possible platform. 

I'm not on the McLuhan bandwagon and I just respectively disagree and place 
greater 
value on content than on medium. That may make me wrong in the world of McLuhan 
sychophants but in the greater community I think it's a worthy discussion.

 - but that's a whole other can of worms...

Regards,

Will

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[videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, wtrainbow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I understand the point - I'm justing trying to challenge it because
I don't ascribe to the 
 McLuhan medium is the massage worldview which seems at the root of
the debate.
 
 In my assessment, the same video played in different contexts does
not necessitate new 
 designations for each context. 
 
 A song on my iPod is the same song on my home stereo, in my car
stereo, from my 
 computer. Different envirnonments produce different experiences and
possible forms of 
 interaction  but I don't think that requires creating a new term for
every possible platform. 
 

the information in audio (waves, pitch, etc.) doesn't transform as
significantly as visual (aspect ratio, detail, distance, size, etc.)
in different media.
   
  -- Enric

 I'm not on the McLuhan bandwagon and I just respectively disagree
and place greater 
 value on content than on medium. That may make me wrong in the world
of McLuhan 
 sychophants but in the greater community I think it's a worthy
discussion.
 
  - but that's a whole other can of worms...
 
 Regards,
 
 Will
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  you are either missing the point or choosing to ignore it.
  either way, respectfully, you are still wrong.
  
  now where is my DXM
  
 
  And
   I
failt to see why that's a problem with semantics.
   
- Andreas
--
URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ 
Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and
revelation
  from which new form is born
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

2005-12-25 Thread Joshua Kinberg

The social experiences in each of these contexts you describe is very different.
The audio waveforms may not change, but your experience does.

-Josh


On 12/25/05, wtrainbow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I understand the point - I'm justing trying to challenge it because I don't 
 ascribe to the
 McLuhan medium is the massage worldview which seems at the root of the 
 debate.

 In my assessment, the same video played in different contexts does not 
 necessitate new
 designations for each context.

 A song on my iPod is the same song on my home stereo, in my car stereo, from 
 my
 computer. Different envirnonments produce different experiences and possible 
 forms of
 interaction  but I don't think that requires creating a new term for every 
 possible platform.

 I'm not on the McLuhan bandwagon and I just respectively disagree and place 
 greater
 value on content than on medium. That may make me wrong in the world of 
 McLuhan
 sychophants but in the greater community I think it's a worthy discussion.

  - but that's a whole other can of worms...

 Regards,

 Will

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  you are either missing the point or choosing to ignore it.
  either way, respectfully, you are still wrong.
 
  now where is my DXM
 

  And
   I
failt to see why that's a problem with semantics.
   
- Andreas
--
URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ 
Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Yahoo! Groups Links
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
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  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
  The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation
  from which new form is born
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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  http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog
 








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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited