RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Craig,

I am pretty sure the iPhone SE will definitely still get iOS 13 next fall and 
it’s possible it may even still get iOS 14 in 2020. I am in the same boat with 
my 6S Plus, the 6S/6S Plus and iPhone SE all were released with iOS 9 in 2015. 
In the past Apple supported their devices with 5 versions I think, so that 
would be iOS 9, 10, 11, 12 this year and 13 next year.
However, this year they broke this rule by giving iOS 12 to the iPhone 5S which 
was released in 2013 with iOS 7, if this 5-year rule applied the 5S would have 
started with iOS 7, received iOS 8, 9, 10 and 11 would have been the end last 
fall, but Apple already said in their June keynote that the 5S would get iOS 
12. Maybe that is because iOS 12 is more of a bug fixing and efficiency version 
rather than a new features version, but then again as iOS matures 
groundbreaking new features will be less frequent just as groundbreaking new 
hardware designs and features will be less frequent so maybe most devices going 
forward will support 5 additional iOS versions in addition to the one they were 
released with.
Anyhow, for me it would be fairly logical that at least in the fall of 2020 
when iOS 13 will be replaced by iOS 14 that I would then upgrade my 6S Plus to 
whatever phone is fairly at the top of the list then. This would mean I have 
had my 6S Plus for 5 years and I think I would be quite satisfied with that if 
it continues to work for another 2 years and who knows, if apple comes out with 
something pretty cool next fall I might upgrade already then.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Craig 
Werner
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Good call, Kelly.  The fact that Apple has discontinued the SE doesn't ruffle 
me very much, provided, of course, that at least one iOs series to come will 
work on it. As they say, que sera sera.

Craig

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:08 AM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
I am quite sure they will sell them and people will happily buy them, maybe you 
can snatch a deal for any of the remaining SE's, 6S's or 6's.


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

I wonder what the apple stores will do with the SE phones that are left in 
their inventory? Do they sell them or send them back to Apple's headquarters.
Original message:
> Craig,

> My prediction proved true. Apple today discontinued the iPhone SE. it
> has a boatload of SE phones that it needs to unload and carriers have
> to meet their quota or buy phones that they can't sell.

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> On 9/12/18, Craig Werner mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>> Hello, Kelly and everyone.

>> Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes
>> good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more
>> competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors
>> jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my
>> home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable
>> assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a
>> dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from
>> Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.

>> Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.

>> Craig

>> On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce mailto:kellyt...@gmail.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to
>>> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a
>>> certain number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a
>>> partner, the big phone companies may get secret information, such as
>>> advanced notice of Ap

RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Carolyn Arnold]

They'll sell them, I would think. Recently, I heard that AT*T was selling them 
for $100.00. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Mike Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

I wonder what the apple stores will do with the SE phones that are left in 
their inventory? Do they sell them or send them back to Apple's headquarters.
Original message:
> Craig,

> My prediction proved true. Apple today discontinued the iPhone SE. it 
> has a boatload of SE phones that it needs to unload and carriers have 
> to meet their quota or buy phones that they can't sell.

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> On 9/12/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
>> Hello, Kelly and everyone.

>> Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes 
>> good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more 
>> competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors 
>> jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my 
>> home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable 
>> assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a 
>> dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from 
>> Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.

>> Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.

>> Craig

>> On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to 
>>> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a 
>>> certain number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a 
>>> partner, the big phone companies may get secret information, such as 
>>> advanced notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  Apple needs to move 
>>> this inventory of old phones and AT needs to meet its quota or it 
>>> will be forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through 
>>> its sales channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted 
>>> phones to AT who then sells them only to existing customers with 
>>> really old phones at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap 
>>> iPhone and the companies are happy because Apple was able to 
>>> maintain pricing power, eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT can 
>>> meet its sales quota this year.

>>> Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live 
>>> in a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
>>> downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are 
>>> only served by Verizon or AT You may be in a similar situation.

>>> Kelly

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>>> On 9/8/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
>>>> Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.

>>>> Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the 
>>>> $100 price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you.  I asked 
>>>> him in three different ways about whether there were hidden or 
>>>> undiscussed costs associated with the 

Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Craig Werner]

Good call, Kelly.  The fact that Apple has discontinued the SE doesn't
ruffle me very much, provided, of course, that at least one iOs series to
come will work on it. As they say, que sera sera.

Craig

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:08 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> I am quite sure they will sell them and people will happily buy them,
> maybe you can snatch a deal for any of the remaining SE's, 6S's or 6's.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 6:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>
> I wonder what the apple stores will do with the SE phones that are left in
> their inventory? Do they sell them or send them back to Apple's
> headquarters.
> Original message:
> > Craig,
>
> > My prediction proved true. Apple today discontinued the iPhone SE. it
> > has a boatload of SE phones that it needs to unload and carriers have
> > to meet their quota or buy phones that they can't sell.
>
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> > On 9/12/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
> >> Hello, Kelly and everyone.
>
> >> Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes
> >> good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more
> >> competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors
> >> jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my
> >> home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable
> >> assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a
> >> dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from
> >> Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.
>
> >> Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.
>
> >> Craig
>
> >> On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> >>> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to
> >>> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a
> >>> certain number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a
> >>> partner, the big phone companies may get secret information, such as
> >>> advanced notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  Apple needs to move
> >>> this inventory of old phones and AT needs to meet its quota or it
> >>> will be forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through
> >>> its sales channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted
> >>> phones to AT who then sells them only to existing customers with
> >>> really old phones at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap
> >>> iPhone and the companies are happy because Apple was able to
> >>> maintain pricing power, eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT can
> >>> meet its sales quota this year.
>
> >>> Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live
> >>> in a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
> >>> downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are
> >>> only served by Verizon or AT You may be in a similar situation.
>
> >>> Kelly
>
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> >>>  Vi

RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am quite sure they will sell them and people will happily buy them, maybe you 
can snatch a deal for any of the remaining SE's, 6S's or 6's.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

I wonder what the apple stores will do with the SE phones that are left in 
their inventory? Do they sell them or send them back to Apple's headquarters.
Original message:
> Craig,

> My prediction proved true. Apple today discontinued the iPhone SE. it 
> has a boatload of SE phones that it needs to unload and carriers have 
> to meet their quota or buy phones that they can't sell.

> Kelly   style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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> On 9/12/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
>> Hello, Kelly and everyone.

>> Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes 
>> good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more 
>> competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors 
>> jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my 
>> home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable 
>> assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a 
>> dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from 
>> Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.

>> Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.

>> Craig

>> On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to 
>>> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a 
>>> certain number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a 
>>> partner, the big phone companies may get secret information, such as 
>>> advanced notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  Apple needs to move 
>>> this inventory of old phones and AT needs to meet its quota or it 
>>> will be forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through 
>>> its sales channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted 
>>> phones to AT who then sells them only to existing customers with 
>>> really old phones at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap 
>>> iPhone and the companies are happy because Apple was able to 
>>> maintain pricing power, eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT can 
>>> meet its sales quota this year.

>>> Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live 
>>> in a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
>>> downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are 
>>> only served by Verizon or AT You may be in a similar situation.

>>> Kelly

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>>> On 9/8/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
>>>> Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.

>>>> Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the 
>>>> $100 price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you.  I asked 
>>>> him in three different ways about whether there were hidden or 
>>>> undiscussed costs associated with the 

Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Mike Arrigo]

I wonder what the apple stores will do with the SE phones that are left 
in their inventory? Do they sell them or send them back to Apple's 
headquarters.

Original message:

Craig,



My prediction proved true. Apple today discontinued the iPhone SE. it
has a boatload of SE phones that it needs to unload and carriers have
to meet their quota or buy phones that they can't sell.



Kelly 


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On 9/12/18, Craig Werner  wrote:

Hello, Kelly and everyone.



Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes
good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more
competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors
jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my
home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable
assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a
dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from
Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.



Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.



Craig



On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to
maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a certain
number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a partner,
the big phone companies may get secret information, such as advanced
notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  Apple needs to move this
inventory of old phones and AT needs to meet its quota or it will be
forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through its sales
channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted phones to AT
who then sells them only to existing customers with really old phones
at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap iPhone and the
companies are happy because Apple was able to maintain pricing power,
eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT can meet its sales quota this
year.



Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live in
a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are
only served by Verizon or AT You may be in a similar situation.



Kelly





 
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On 9/8/18, Craig Werner  wrote:

Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.



Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the $100
price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you.  I asked him in
three different ways about whether there were hidden or undiscussed
costs associated with the purchase.  For instance, at one point, I
phrased the question in words very similar to these: "Can you assure
me that the phone is paid in full if I give you $100 and that no
change to my monthly bill will occur as a result of this purchase?"
He assured me this was true.  When I read your understandably
skeptical message, I phoned the manager of my provider's store and
asked him if I could mention the name of the provider on this user
group.  I wanted to represent the provider accurately, I said, having
been a customer for eighteen years.  He said yes, and added that the
provider, AT, is offering a limited time promotional offer for GO
Phone users in the northeastern U.S. of $100 for an iPhone Se.



Craig




On 9/8/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six
months
to
pay for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving them, but that
validates what you say. I have no idea what kind of penalty I would
incur
if
I left them before payments are completed, which they will be on
October
21.




Best regards,



Carolyn




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Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:45 AM
To: vi

Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Kelly Pierce]

net> wrote:
>>>> Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six
>>>> months
>>>> to
>>>> pay for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving them, but that
>>>> validates what you say. I have no idea what kind of penalty I would
>>>> incur
>>>> if
>>>> I left them before payments are completed, which they will be on
>>>> October
>>>> 21.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Carolyn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:45 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>>>>
>>>> Hi Craig,
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure I totally understand how your provider works. You say
>>>> they
>>>> would sell you an iPhone SE for $100 and that is it? You could
>>>> discontinue
>>>> service with them a week later with no penelty?
>>>> You say there is no contract, but I somehow doubt they give you a $350
>>>> phone
>>>> for $100 without charging you somewhere to recover the additional cost.
>>>> How
>>>> much do you pay per month?
>>>> You don't of course have to answer, but I have found in 25 years of
>>>> owining
>>>> cell phones that if you get a phone at a reduced price the provider
>>>> will
>>>> charge you somewhere for that phone in addition to whatever reduced
>>>> price
>>>> you pay.
>>>> I am always amazed how people here get into these 2-year contracts
>>>> where
>>>> they get a phone for less tha it's cost were they to buy it outright
>>>> and
>>>> they think it's an OK deal. Then the 2 years pass and the contract ends
>>>> which means the phone is paid off yet the provider does not now
>>>> suddenly
>>>> drop the price of their plan by $20 or whatever amount would be
>>>> justified.
>>>> Also, in the uS more of these annual upgrade plans are offered than
>>>> here
>>>> in
>>>> Canada I think and again people happily pay for them and think they are
>>>> getting a great deal since all they pay is their monthly plan and yet
>>>> they
>>>> get to upgrade every year. Most apparently don't realize that again
>>>> with
>>>> these plans the carriers charge to cover the costs and the plan of
>>>> course
>>>> is
>>>> a lot more expensive than a plan they could get were they to buy a
>>>> phone
>>>> outright and look for a low-cost plan which doesn't include extra
>>>> charges
>>>> to
>>>> pay off a phone or, as in these annual upgrade plans, to essentially
>>>> lease
>>>> the phone.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sieghard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>>> Craig
>>>> Werner
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:01 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much to the many members who posted replies to my question.
>>>> I
>>>> never thought my post would garner such a plentiful response.
>>>>
>>>> Since I have for a long time been out of contract with my cell phone
>>>> provider of eighteen years, and since I wish to remain with them for
>>>> the
>>>> time being, at least, I don't want to consider contractual phone buying
>>>> with
>>>> anyone.  The price of $100 is alluring since it comes with no strings
>>>> attached; that is, the phone would be entirely paid for, and my monthly
>>>> bill
>>>> would be unaffected.  I am very partial to the small phone chassis, and
>>>> since I fully understand but am immune to the blandishments of phone
>>>> technology features that I do not need, the offer is indeed compelling.
>>>> Of
>>>> course, if I buy the phone and then the price drops after Sept. 12, or
>>>> if
>>>> Apple s

Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Kelly and everyone.

Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes
good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more
competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors
jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my
home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable
assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a
dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from
Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.

Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.

Craig

On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to
> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a certain
> number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a partner,
> the big phone companies may get secret information, such as advanced
> notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  Apple needs to move this
> inventory of old phones and AT needs to meet its quota or it will be
> forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through its sales
> channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted phones to AT
> who then sells them only to existing customers with really old phones
> at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap iPhone and the
> companies are happy because Apple was able to maintain pricing power,
> eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT can meet its sales quota this
> year.
>
> Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live in
> a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
> downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are
> only served by Verizon or AT You may be in a similar situation.
>
> Kelly
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> On 9/8/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
>> Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.
>>
>> Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the $100
>> price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you.  I asked him in
>> three different ways about whether there were hidden or undiscussed
>> costs associated with the purchase.  For instance, at one point, I
>> phrased the question in words very similar to these: "Can you assure
>> me that the phone is paid in full if I give you $100 and that no
>> change to my monthly bill will occur as a result of this purchase?"
>> He assured me this was true.  When I read your understandably
>> skeptical message, I phoned the manager of my provider's store and
>> asked him if I could mention the name of the provider on this user
>> group.  I wanted to represent the provider accurately, I said, having
>> been a customer for eighteen years.  He said yes, and added that the
>> provider, AT, is offering a limited time promotional offer for GO
>> Phone users in the northeastern U.S. of $100 for an iPhone Se.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six months
>>> to
>>> pay for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving them, but that
>>> validates what you say. I have no idea what kind of penalty I would
>>> incur
>>> if
>>> I left them before payments are completed, which they will be on October
>>> 21.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:45 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>>>
>>> Hi Craig,
>>>
>>> I am not sure I totally understand how your provider works. You say they
>>> would sell you an iPhone SE for $100 and that is it? You could
>>> discontinue
>>> service with them a week l

RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Carolyn Arnold]

All big companies, like Wal-Mart, the car manufacturers apply pressure on, like 
with cars the dealerships to sell so many models of this and that, and Wal-Mart 
with communities about where their stores are and what accommodations they 
demand. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to maintain a 
relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a certain number of phones 
and sell them at any price they wish. As a partner, the big phone companies may 
get secret information, such as advanced notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  
Apple needs to move this inventory of old phones and AT needs to meet its 
quota or it will be forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through 
its sales channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted phones to AT 
who then sells them only to existing customers with really old phones at a 
steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap iPhone and the companies are happy 
because Apple was able to maintain pricing power, eliminate unneeded inventory, 
and AT can meet its sales quota this year.

Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live in a really 
big city and the major companies all provide service here.
downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are only served 
by Verizon or AT You may be in a similar situation.

Kelly

 

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On 9/8/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
> Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.
>
> Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the $100 
> price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you.  I asked him in 
> three different ways about whether there were hidden or undiscussed 
> costs associated with the purchase.  For instance, at one point, I 
> phrased the question in words very similar to these: "Can you assure 
> me that the phone is paid in full if I give you $100 and that no 
> change to my monthly bill will occur as a result of this purchase?"
> He assured me this was true.  When I read your understandably 
> skeptical message, I phoned the manager of my provider's store and 
> asked him if I could mention the name of the provider on this user 
> group.  I wanted to represent the provider accurately, I said, having 
> been a customer for eighteen years.  He said yes, and added that the 
> provider, AT, is offering a limited time promotional offer for GO 
> Phone users in the northeastern U.S. of $100 for an iPhone Se.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On 9/8/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six 
>> months to pay for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving 
>> them, but that validates what you say. I have no idea what kind of 
>> penalty I would incur if I left them before payments are completed, 
>> which they will be on October 21.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>>
>> Hi Craig,
>>
>> I am not sure I totally understand how your provider works. You say 
>> they would sell you an iPhone SE for $100 and that is it? You could 
>> discontinue service with them a week later with no penelty?
>> You say there is no contract, but I somehow doubt they give you a 
>> $350 phone for $100 without charging you somewhere to recover the 
>> additional cost.
>> How
>> much do you pay per month?
>> You don't of course have to answer, but I have found in 25 years of 
>> owining cell phones that if you get a phone at a reduced price the 
>> provider will charge you somewhere for that phone in addition to 
>> whatever reduced price you pay.
>> I am alwa

Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Kelly Pierce]

What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to
maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a certain
number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a partner,
the big phone companies may get secret information, such as advanced
notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  Apple needs to move this
inventory of old phones and AT needs to meet its quota or it will be
forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through its sales
channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted phones to AT
who then sells them only to existing customers with really old phones
at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap iPhone and the
companies are happy because Apple was able to maintain pricing power,
eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT can meet its sales quota this
year.

Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live in
a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are
only served by Verizon or AT You may be in a similar situation.

Kelly




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On 9/8/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
> Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.
>
> Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the $100
> price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you.  I asked him in
> three different ways about whether there were hidden or undiscussed
> costs associated with the purchase.  For instance, at one point, I
> phrased the question in words very similar to these: "Can you assure
> me that the phone is paid in full if I give you $100 and that no
> change to my monthly bill will occur as a result of this purchase?"
> He assured me this was true.  When I read your understandably
> skeptical message, I phoned the manager of my provider's store and
> asked him if I could mention the name of the provider on this user
> group.  I wanted to represent the provider accurately, I said, having
> been a customer for eighteen years.  He said yes, and added that the
> provider, AT, is offering a limited time promotional offer for GO
> Phone users in the northeastern U.S. of $100 for an iPhone Se.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On 9/8/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six months
>> to
>> pay for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving them, but that
>> validates what you say. I have no idea what kind of penalty I would incur
>> if
>> I left them before payments are completed, which they will be on October
>> 21.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>>
>> Hi Craig,
>>
>> I am not sure I totally understand how your provider works. You say they
>> would sell you an iPhone SE for $100 and that is it? You could
>> discontinue
>> service with them a week later with no penelty?
>> You say there is no contract, but I somehow doubt they give you a $350
>> phone
>> for $100 without charging you somewhere to recover the additional cost.
>> How
>> much do you pay per month?
>> You don't of course have to answer, but I have found in 25 years of
>> owining
>> cell phones that if you get a phone at a reduced price the provider will
>> charge you somewhere for that phone in addition to whatever reduced price
>> you pay.
>> I am always amazed how people here get into these 2-year contracts where
>> they get a phone for less tha it's cost were they to buy it outright and
>> they think it's an OK deal. Then the 2 years pass and the contract ends
>> which means the phone is paid off yet the provider does not now suddenly
>> drop the price of their plan by $20 or whatever amount would be
>> justified.
>> Also, in the uS more of these annual upgrade plans are offered than here
>> in
>> Canada I think and again

Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.

Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the $100
price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you.  I asked him in
three different ways about whether there were hidden or undiscussed
costs associated with the purchase.  For instance, at one point, I
phrased the question in words very similar to these: "Can you assure
me that the phone is paid in full if I give you $100 and that no
change to my monthly bill will occur as a result of this purchase?"
He assured me this was true.  When I read your understandably
skeptical message, I phoned the manager of my provider's store and
asked him if I could mention the name of the provider on this user
group.  I wanted to represent the provider accurately, I said, having
been a customer for eighteen years.  He said yes, and added that the
provider, AT, is offering a limited time promotional offer for GO
Phone users in the northeastern U.S. of $100 for an iPhone Se.

Craig


On 9/8/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six months to
> pay for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving them, but that
> validates what you say. I have no idea what kind of penalty I would incur if
> I left them before payments are completed, which they will be on October 21.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>
> Hi Craig,
>
> I am not sure I totally understand how your provider works. You say they
> would sell you an iPhone SE for $100 and that is it? You could discontinue
> service with them a week later with no penelty?
> You say there is no contract, but I somehow doubt they give you a $350 phone
> for $100 without charging you somewhere to recover the additional cost. How
> much do you pay per month?
> You don't of course have to answer, but I have found in 25 years of owining
> cell phones that if you get a phone at a reduced price the provider will
> charge you somewhere for that phone in addition to whatever reduced price
> you pay.
> I am always amazed how people here get into these 2-year contracts where
> they get a phone for less tha it's cost were they to buy it outright and
> they think it's an OK deal. Then the 2 years pass and the contract ends
> which means the phone is paid off yet the provider does not now suddenly
> drop the price of their plan by $20 or whatever amount would be justified.
> Also, in the uS more of these annual upgrade plans are offered than here in
> Canada I think and again people happily pay for them and think they are
> getting a great deal since all they pay is their monthly plan and yet they
> get to upgrade every year. Most apparently don't realize that again with
> these plans the carriers charge to cover the costs and the plan of course is
> a lot more expensive than a plan they could get were they to buy a phone
> outright and look for a low-cost plan which doesn't include extra charges to
> pay off a phone or, as in these annual upgrade plans, to essentially lease
> the phone.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Craig
> Werner
> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>
> Thanks very much to the many members who posted replies to my question.  I
> never thought my post would garner such a plentiful response.
>
> Since I have for a long time been out of contract with my cell phone
> provider of eighteen years, and since I wish to remain with them for the
> time being, at least, I don't want to consider contractual phone buying with
> anyone.  The price of $100 is alluring since it comes with no strings
> attached; that is, the phone would be entirely paid for, and my monthly bill
> would be unaffected.  I am very partial to the small phone chassis, and
> since I fully understand but am immune to the blandishments of phone
> technology features that I do not need, the offer is indeed compelling.  Of
> course, if I buy the phone and then the price drops after Sept. 12, or if
> Apple should come out with an advanced four-inch phone (which I doubt), I
> will kick my self.
> However, I have done self-kicking before, and the pain wears off pretty
> quickly.  
>
> The bottom line: I'm most grateful to everyone for their opinions, and I'll
> be curious to see what happens on Sept. 12.
>
> Craig
>
> On 9/5/18, 

RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Carolyn Arnold]

Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six months to pay 
for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving them, but that validates 
what you say. I have no idea what kind of penalty I would incur if I left them 
before payments are completed, which they will be on October 21. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Hi Craig,

I am not sure I totally understand how your provider works. You say they would 
sell you an iPhone SE for $100 and that is it? You could discontinue service 
with them a week later with no penelty?
You say there is no contract, but I somehow doubt they give you a $350 phone 
for $100 without charging you somewhere to recover the additional cost. How 
much do you pay per month?
You don't of course have to answer, but I have found in 25 years of owining 
cell phones that if you get a phone at a reduced price the provider will charge 
you somewhere for that phone in addition to whatever reduced price you pay.
I am always amazed how people here get into these 2-year contracts where they 
get a phone for less tha it's cost were they to buy it outright and they think 
it's an OK deal. Then the 2 years pass and the contract ends which means the 
phone is paid off yet the provider does not now suddenly drop the price of 
their plan by $20 or whatever amount would be justified.
Also, in the uS more of these annual upgrade plans are offered than here in 
Canada I think and again people happily pay for them and think they are getting 
a great deal since all they pay is their monthly plan and yet they get to 
upgrade every year. Most apparently don't realize that again with these plans 
the carriers charge to cover the costs and the plan of course is a lot more 
expensive than a plan they could get were they to buy a phone outright and look 
for a low-cost plan which doesn't include extra charges to pay off a phone or, 
as in these annual upgrade plans, to essentially lease the phone.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Craig 
Werner
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Thanks very much to the many members who posted replies to my question.  I 
never thought my post would garner such a plentiful response.

Since I have for a long time been out of contract with my cell phone provider 
of eighteen years, and since I wish to remain with them for the time being, at 
least, I don't want to consider contractual phone buying with anyone.  The 
price of $100 is alluring since it comes with no strings attached; that is, the 
phone would be entirely paid for, and my monthly bill would be unaffected.  I 
am very partial to the small phone chassis, and since I fully understand but am 
immune to the blandishments of phone technology features that I do not need, 
the offer is indeed compelling.  Of course, if I buy the phone and then the 
price drops after Sept. 12, or if Apple should come out with an advanced 
four-inch phone (which I doubt), I will kick my self.
However, I have done self-kicking before, and the pain wears off pretty 
quickly.  

The bottom line: I'm most grateful to everyone for their opinions, and I'll be 
curious to see what happens on Sept. 12.

Craig

On 9/5/18, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> I like my SE, but right now is probably the worst time of the year to 
> either buy an older phone or commit to any sort of contract payment 
> structure for one. By next week, you'll probably be able to score a 
> better deal for the phone you want. Be it a newer one or older one 
> since everyone and their momma who's interested in upgrading will be 
> itching to get rid of their older devices or businesses trying to clear out 
> old stock.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>
> I have both an SE and an iphone 8, there are times when I prefer to 
> carry a smaller phone, there's really not much of a speed difference, 
> it's definitely faster than the iphone 5 you are upgrading from, you 
> will notice a big improvement, if you like that phone size, go for it, 
> it's a great phone.
> Original message:
>> I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a 
>> 4S and all kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I 
>> enjoy using.
>
>> Best regards,
>
>> Carolyn
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegro

RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Craig,

I am not sure I totally understand how your provider works. You say they would 
sell you an iPhone SE for $100 and that is it? You could discontinue service 
with them a week later with no penelty?
You say there is no contract, but I somehow doubt they give you a $350 phone 
for $100 without charging you somewhere to recover the additional cost. How 
much do you pay per month?
You don't of course have to answer, but I have found in 25 years of owining 
cell phones that if you get a phone at a reduced price the provider will charge 
you somewhere for that phone in addition to whatever reduced price you pay.
I am always amazed how people here get into these 2-year contracts where they 
get a phone for less tha it's cost were they to buy it outright and they think 
it's an OK deal. Then the 2 years pass and the contract ends which means the 
phone is paid off yet the provider does not now suddenly drop the price of 
their plan by $20 or whatever amount would be justified.
Also, in the uS more of these annual upgrade plans are offered than here in 
Canada I think and again people happily pay for them and think they are getting 
a great deal since all they pay is their monthly plan and yet they get to 
upgrade every year. Most apparently don't realize that again with these plans 
the carriers charge to cover the costs and the plan of course is a lot more 
expensive than a plan they could get were they to buy a phone outright and look 
for a low-cost plan which doesn't include extra charges to pay off a phone or, 
as in these annual upgrade plans, to essentially lease the phone.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Craig 
Werner
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Thanks very much to the many members who posted replies to my question.  I 
never thought my post would garner such a plentiful response.

Since I have for a long time been out of contract with my cell phone provider 
of eighteen years, and since I wish to remain with them for the time being, at 
least, I don't want to consider contractual phone buying with anyone.  The 
price of $100 is alluring since it comes with no strings attached; that is, the 
phone would be entirely paid for, and my monthly bill would be unaffected.  I 
am very partial to the small phone chassis, and since I fully understand but am 
immune to the blandishments of phone technology features that I do not need, 
the offer is indeed compelling.  Of course, if I buy the phone and then the 
price drops after Sept. 12, or if Apple should come out with an advanced 
four-inch phone (which I doubt), I will kick my self.
However, I have done self-kicking before, and the pain wears off pretty 
quickly.  

The bottom line: I'm most grateful to everyone for their opinions, and I'll be 
curious to see what happens on Sept. 12.

Craig

On 9/5/18, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> I like my SE, but right now is probably the worst time of the year to 
> either buy an older phone or commit to any sort of contract payment 
> structure for one. By next week, you'll probably be able to score a 
> better deal for the phone you want. Be it a newer one or older one 
> since everyone and their momma who's interested in upgrading will be 
> itching to get rid of their older devices or businesses trying to clear out 
> old stock.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>
> I have both an SE and an iphone 8, there are times when I prefer to 
> carry a smaller phone, there's really not much of a speed difference, 
> it's definitely faster than the iphone 5 you are upgrading from, you 
> will notice a big improvement, if you like that phone size, go for it, 
> it's a great phone.
> Original message:
>> I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a 
>> 4S and all kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I 
>> enjoy using.
>
>> Best regards,
>
>> Carolyn
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Craig Werner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:13 AM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>
>> Hello, everyone.
>
>> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my 
>> carrier is offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with 
>> lots of bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, 
>> which the iPhone does not allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I 
>> should not upgrade to 

Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Craig Werner]

Thanks very much to the many members who posted replies to my
question.  I never thought my post would garner such a plentiful
response.

Since I have for a long time been out of contract with my cell phone
provider of eighteen years, and since I wish to remain with them for
the time being, at least, I don't want to consider contractual phone
buying with anyone.  The price of $100 is alluring since it comes with
no strings attached; that is, the phone would be entirely paid for,
and my monthly bill would be unaffected.  I am very partial to the
small phone chassis, and since I fully understand but am immune to the
blandishments of phone technology features that I do not need, the
offer is indeed compelling.  Of course, if I buy the phone and then
the price drops after Sept. 12, or if Apple should come out with an
advanced four-inch phone (which I doubt), I will kick my self.
However, I have done self-kicking before, and the pain wears off
pretty quickly.  

The bottom line: I'm most grateful to everyone for their opinions, and
I'll be curious to see what happens on Sept. 12.

Craig

On 9/5/18, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> I like my SE, but right now is probably the worst time of the year to either
> buy an older phone or commit to any sort of contract payment structure for
> one. By next week, you'll probably be able to score a better deal for the
> phone you want. Be it a newer one or older one since everyone and their
> momma who's interested in upgrading will be itching to get rid of their
> older devices or businesses trying to clear out old stock.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike
> Arrigo
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>
> I have both an SE and an iphone 8, there are times when I prefer to carry a
> smaller phone, there's really not much of a speed difference, it's
> definitely faster than the iphone 5 you are upgrading from, you will notice
> a big improvement, if you like that phone size, go for it, it's a great
> phone.
> Original message:
>> I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a
>> 4S and all kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I enjoy
>> using.
>
>> Best regards,
>
>> Carolyn
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Craig Werner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:13 AM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>
>> Hello, everyone.
>
>> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my
>> carrier is offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with
>> lots of bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X,
>> which the iPhone does not allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I
>> should not upgrade to the SE?  Thanks for any advice.
>
>> Craig
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RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Cristobal Muñoz]

I like my SE, but right now is probably the worst time of the year to either 
buy an older phone or commit to any sort of contract payment structure for one. 
By next week, you'll probably be able to score a better deal for the phone you 
want. Be it a newer one or older one since everyone and their momma who's 
interested in upgrading will be itching to get rid of their older devices or 
businesses trying to clear out old stock.  

-Original Message-
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Arrigo
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

I have both an SE and an iphone 8, there are times when I prefer to carry a 
smaller phone, there's really not much of a speed difference, it's definitely 
faster than the iphone 5 you are upgrading from, you will notice a big 
improvement, if you like that phone size, go for it, it's a great phone.
Original message:
> I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a 
> 4S and all kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I enjoy 
> using.

> Best regards,

> Carolyn


> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:13 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

> Hello, everyone.

> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my 
> carrier is offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with 
> lots of bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, 
> which the iPhone does not allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I 
> should not upgrade to the SE?  Thanks for any advice.

> Craig

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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Kelly Pierce]

Craig,

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of data a month. If your usage is low to moderate, the major carriers
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savings to be applied to the newer and more expensive phone.

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On 9/5/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> I have both an SE and an iphone 8, there are times when I prefer to
> carry a smaller phone, there's really not much of a speed difference,
> it's definitely faster than the iphone 5 you are upgrading from, you
> will notice a big improvement, if you like that phone size, go for it,
> it's a great phone.
> Original message:
>> I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a 4S
>> and all kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I enjoy
>> using.
>
>> Best regards,
>
>> Carolyn
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Craig Werner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:13 AM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>
>> Hello, everyone.
>
>> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier
>> is offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of
>> bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the
>> iPhone does not allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not
>> upgrade to the SE?  Thanks for any advice.
>
>> Craig
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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Mike Arrigo]

I have both an SE and an iphone 8, there are times when I prefer to 
carry a smaller phone, there's really not much of a speed difference, 
it's definitely faster than the iphone 5 you are upgrading from, you 
will notice a big improvement, if you like that phone size, go for it, 
it's a great phone.

Original message:
I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a 4S 
and all kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I enjoy using.



Best regards,



Carolyn




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig Werner

Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:13 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE



Hello, everyone.


I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier 
is offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of 
bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the 
iPhone does not allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not 
upgrade to the SE?  Thanks for any advice.



Craig



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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Robin]

Yes, the iPhoneSE  Closely Resembles the iPhone5 
& iPhone5S in Shape & FormFactor, but  it comes 
Equipped With the Specs of the iPhone6S with the 
Probable Exception of the TouchID scanner  for 
FingerPrintReader, which I beleive  is the Same 
as the TouchID, which appeared on the iPhone5S
Personally, I,Robin would Recommend & Suggest 
HoldinOff & Waiting to See if Apple refreshes the 
SE LineUP ... I don't Think a Refresher is in the 
Plans especially in the SE FormFactor: Shape & Size


I,Robin Love MySE, but I wouldn't Purchase 
another SE with OutDated Specs even if it's the 2nd Comin of the SE

At 08:31 AM 9/5/2018, you wrote:
Craig, I went from a four years old iPhone 5 to 
an SE last year and have no regrets.  If you're 
used to the feel and layout of the iPhone 5, the 
SE will fit perfectly into your life without a 
steep learning curve.  It's faster and the 
battery lasts longer.  it's also a bit lighter 
and thinner than the iPhone 5, but most iPhone 
cases designed for the 5 or 5S work fine with it.


I checked out the 6, 6S, 7 and 8 at the Verizon 
store and they were just too big for me.  I get 
it, sighted people like to watch things, but for 
those of us with smaller hands, the SE is perfect.


Maybe it doesn't have some of the newest tech, 
but it gets the job done.  There's nothing I 
can't do with my current phone, so I'll probably 
keep it until it can't be updated anymore or the battery gives out.



Lisa Belville
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On 9/5/2018 4:13 AM, Craig Werner wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an 
iPhone SE since my carrier is offering the 
latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with 
lots of bells and whistles, but I would like one 
that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I 
should not upgrade to the SE?  Thanks for any advice.


Craig
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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Lisa Belville]

Craig, I went from a four years old iPhone 5 to an SE last year and have 
no regrets.  If you're used to the feel and layout of the iPhone 5, the 
SE will fit perfectly into your life without a steep learning curve.  
It's faster and the battery lasts longer.  it's also a bit lighter and 
thinner than the iPhone 5, but most iPhone cases designed for the 5 or 
5S work fine with it.


I checked out the 6, 6S, 7 and 8 at the Verizon store and they were just 
too big for me.  I get it, sighted people like to watch things, but for 
those of us with smaller hands, the SE is perfect.


Maybe it doesn't have some of the newest tech, but it gets the job 
done.  There's nothing I can't do with my current phone, so I'll 
probably keep it until it can't be updated anymore or the battery gives out.



Lisa Belville
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On 9/5/2018 4:13 AM, Craig Werner wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier 
is offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of 
bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the 
iPhone does not allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not 
upgrade to the SE?  Thanks for any advice.


Craig
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RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Well said, Kitty, everybody's needs and expectations are different. My mother, 
for example, chose the iPhone 6S Plus because for her the larger screen is 
better, she is fully sighted but at 76 her vision also is not what it once was 
so the larger screen helps. For somebody like you who wants a fully accessible 
phone which gives you the option to use some apps but you are not using it for 
everything and the more advanced stuff you can do something like the iPhone SE 
is ideal. Nonetheless my advice to Craig stands, at this point with the major 
Apple announcement a week away it absolutely can't hurt to wait even if it's 
just to see whether the SE drops in price.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Carolyn, I am with u on that.  I think that the bottom line comes down to 
what you want to use your phone for. I really don't care about all the 3 d 
touch and other bells and whistles.  I just want my phone  to make phone 
calls (imagine that), do text messaging, and travel stuff like uber lyft, 
and nearby explorer.  I want it to be small, like the SE, so I can easily 
carry it.  But, if you want your iphone to be your computer and your sole 
device, then maybe you really need the latest and greatest.

-Original Message- 
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a 4S and 
all kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I enjoy using.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Craig Werner
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:13 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE? 
Thanks for any advice.

Craig

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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[kitty hevener]

Carolyn, I am with u on that.  I think that the bottom line comes down to 
what you want to use your phone for. I really don't care about all the 3 d 
touch and other bells and whistles.  I just want my phone  to make phone 
calls (imagine that), do text messaging, and travel stuff like uber lyft, 
and nearby explorer.  I want it to be small, like the SE, so I can easily 
carry it.  But, if you want your iphone to be your computer and your sole 
device, then maybe you really need the latest and greatest.


-Original Message- 
From: Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a 4S and 
all kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I enjoy using.


Best regards,

Carolyn


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Of Craig Werner

Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:13 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE? 
Thanks for any advice.


Craig

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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Jim Weiss]

Sieghard,
Sorry that last message got mis-fired.
The gist of my email is the announcement is 7 days away, and in my personal 
opinion I would just hold tight and see what Apple announces.
Jim Weiss
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> On Sep 5, 2018, at 10:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
>  
> Just a few corrections:
> The iPhone SE is a generation newer than the iPhone 6 and has the same 
> insides as the 6S except for no 3D Touch and it has the same first generation 
> Touch Id home button as the 5S and 6/6 Plus not the improved one of the 6S/6S 
> Plus.
> Also, for the first time iOS 12 will work on devices one year further back 
> than in the past, Apple has confirmed during the June keynote that iOS 12 
> will work on all the same devices as iOS 11. For the most part that is 
> because iOS 12 is much less of a version which brings new features but more 
> one which brings bug fixes and efficiency improvements. During the June 
> keynote they used an iPhone 6 to point out how much faster iOS 12 will run on 
> it, how much faster it will load apps and so on. In the tech industry some 
> people say Apple should have called it iOS 11.5 but of course this is not how 
> Apple does things.
> The iPhone SE as well as the 6S/6S Plus will almost certainly still get iOS 
> 13 next year and probably even iOS 14 in 2020 and only with iOS 15 in 2021 
> will they be dropped from the upgrade list.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jim 
> Weiss
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>  
> Craig,
> With the announcement from Apple next Wednesday regarding all of the new 
> hardware you may just want to sit tight.  First off the price may drop even 
> lower than $100, but as Apple announces new products they also roll existing 
> products into end of support and end of life.  If Apple stays consistent iOS 
> 12 will probably be the last version that will run on the iPhone 6 and 
> probably the SE since they are basically the same hardware just in a 
> different form factor.  That being said the iPhone 7 will probably drop in 
> price as it will technically be the 4th oldest version after the 9/12 
> announcement.
> Regards,
> Jim Weiss
> jimweiss...@gmail.com <mailto:jimweiss...@gmail.com>
> 
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> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
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> blindness is not what holds you back.” National Federation for the Blind
> 
> 
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:46 AM, kitty hevener  <mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>  
> Craig, I made that same upgrade last year and have been very happy with the 
> apple SE.  So far, my se has accepted all the updates. 
>  
> From: Craig Werner <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:13 AM
> To: viphone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>  
> Hello, everyone.
>  
> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
> offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
> whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
> allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?  
> Thanks for any advice.
>  
> Craig
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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Jim Weiss]

Sieghard,
Thanks for the corrections, but as far as everything else most of this is 
speculation.  My point was to sit tight until Apple makes their official 
announcement next Wednesday.  Apple will do as Apple wants to do.  I have read 
several speculations on the web that a revised SE will be announced which could 
speed up the end of life process for the current SE, not to mention Apple has 
had offered new products in the March time frame.  With the announcement just 7 
days away, my personal opinion 

Jim Weiss
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say something.” | Plato

> On Sep 5, 2018, at 10:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
>  
> Just a few corrections:
> The iPhone SE is a generation newer than the iPhone 6 and has the same 
> insides as the 6S except for no 3D Touch and it has the same first generation 
> Touch Id home button as the 5S and 6/6 Plus not the improved one of the 6S/6S 
> Plus.
> Also, for the first time iOS 12 will work on devices one year further back 
> than in the past, Apple has confirmed during the June keynote that iOS 12 
> will work on all the same devices as iOS 11. For the most part that is 
> because iOS 12 is much less of a version which brings new features but more 
> one which brings bug fixes and efficiency improvements. During the June 
> keynote they used an iPhone 6 to point out how much faster iOS 12 will run on 
> it, how much faster it will load apps and so on. In the tech industry some 
> people say Apple should have called it iOS 11.5 but of course this is not how 
> Apple does things.
> The iPhone SE as well as the 6S/6S Plus will almost certainly still get iOS 
> 13 next year and probably even iOS 14 in 2020 and only with iOS 15 in 2021 
> will they be dropped from the upgrade list.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>  
> Craig,
> With the announcement from Apple next Wednesday regarding all of the new 
> hardware you may just want to sit tight.  First off the price may drop even 
> lower than $100, but as Apple announces new products they also roll existing 
> products into end of support and end of life.  If Apple stays consistent iOS 
> 12 will probably be the last version that will run on the iPhone 6 and 
> probably the SE since they are basically the same hardware just in a 
> different form factor.  That being said the iPhone 7 will probably drop in 
> price as it will technically be the 4th oldest version after the 9/12 
> announcement.
> Regards,
> Jim Weiss
> jimweiss...@gmail.com <mailto:jimweiss...@gmail.com>
> 
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> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
> between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; 
> blindness is not what holds you back.” National Federation for the Blind
> 
> 
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:46 AM, kitty hevener  <mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>  
> Craig, I made that same upgrade last year and have been very happy with the 
> apple SE.  So far, my se has accepted all the updates. 
>  
> From: Craig Werner <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:13 AM
> To: viphone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>  
> Hello, everyone.
>  
> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
> offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
> whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
> allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?  
> Thanks for any advice.
>  
> Craig
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RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Carolyn Arnold]

I got my 32 SE on a six-month plan - $25.00 a payment, paid ten dollars for 
activation. I have one more payment to go. It would be good, since the new 
phones are coming out to see if one could be gotten for even less than $100. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Hi Craig,

 

Yes, but if you wait a week or two you will probably get an SE for free 
although I would advise against the SE. The SE is basically a 6S with respect 
to processor and so on, of course it has the smaller 4 inch screen and unlike 
the 6S/6S Plus, the SE does not have 3D Touch and it still has the first 
generation touch Id home button. In the 6S/6S Plus this was upgraded to a 
faster and I think more reliable second generation touch Id home button.

The fact is that the iPhone 6S/6S Plus came out in the fall of 2015 and while 
the SE was released in spring of 2016 it is as I said basically a device of 
that generation so by now 3 years old.

Also, there is little point in upgrading to iOS 11 now when iOS 12 will be 
released to the public in 2 weeks. iOS 12 is going to be better at the first 
12.0 release than iOS 11.4.1 is which was released in early July and which I 
think is the latest iOS 11 release.

You may not need or want the latest and greatest and that’s perfectly fine, but 
I would at least wait since there are rumours that Apple may update the SE as 
well although this may not be announced in this keynote, it could verywell be a 
muchmore silent upgrade, but like I said, to buy an iPhone a week before the 
major annual keynote is not the best choice. Even if the SE is discontinued, 
there will still be inventory for a little while afterwards and carriers will 
be looking to get rid of that. Also, Also, which capacity is it that is being 
offered for $100 by your carrier? I just had a look on the Apple website and 
here in Canada I can buy a brandnew unlocked iPhone SE 32Gb from Apple without 
any contract for $479 canadian, I assume this wold be $350 in the US, the 
second option, the 128Gb model, is $599 Canadian, probably it would be $450 in 
the US. If your carriers still charges $100 and requires you to lock yourself 
into a 2-year plan then that is not such a hot deal in my opinion.

If places like Best Buy or Target in the US have inventory after next week 
there is a good chance you’ll be able to get an even better deal.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Craig 
Werner
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 3:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

 

Good point, Christopher.  I know about the upcoming Apple grand presentation, 
but even if the 9 or something like it materializes, the low price tag on the 
SE is something to consider.  Thanks for responding.

 

Craig

 

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:21 AM 'christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hi. Absolutely up to you on this one, but FYI Apple will be holding a 
special event next week with their new iPhones. If the rumours out there are 
true, the SE could be replaced with a 6.1-inch iPhone, possibly named iPhone 9 
or even iPhone 11. All will be revealed next week.

 

 


On 5 Sep 2018, at 10:13, Craig Werner mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello, everyone.

 

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my 
carrier is offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of 
bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone 
does not allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the 
SE?  Thanks for any advice.

 

Craig

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RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Carolyn Arnold]

That's true. I paid $160 for mine. I think I treasure it more that it does so 
much for so little, when I have two girlfriends who got 7's for $549 and aren't 
coming along with their phones as well as I am, and I'm older than either. 
Sounds crazy, right?

Oh, by the way, I got a charger, and also a car charger, which I was about to 
give to my son, when my cousin said, keep that; you might need it if the power 
is off for a long period of time. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Craig Werner
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 6:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Good point, Christopher.  I know about the upcoming Apple grand presentation, 
but even if the 9 or something like it materializes, the low price tag on the 
SE is something to consider.  Thanks for responding.

Craig

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:21 AM 'christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:


Hi. Absolutely up to you on this one, but FYI Apple will be holding a 
special event next week with their new iPhones. If the rumours out there are 
true, the SE could be replaced with a 6.1-inch iPhone, possibly named iPhone 9 
or even iPhone 11. All will be revealed next week.



On 5 Sep 2018, at 10:13, Craig Werner mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my 
carrier is offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of 
bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone 
does not allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the 
SE?  Thanks for any advice.

Craig



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RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jim,

Just a few corrections:
The iPhone SE is a generation newer than the iPhone 6 and has the same insides 
as the 6S except for no 3D Touch and it has the same first generation Touch Id 
home button as the 5S and 6/6 Plus not the improved one of the 6S/6S Plus.
Also, for the first time iOS 12 will work on devices one year further back than 
in the past, Apple has confirmed during the June keynote that iOS 12 will work 
on all the same devices as iOS 11. For the most part that is because iOS 12 is 
much less of a version which brings new features but more one which brings bug 
fixes and efficiency improvements. During the June keynote they used an iPhone 
6 to point out how much faster iOS 12 will run on it, how much faster it will 
load apps and so on. In the tech industry some people say Apple should have 
called it iOS 11.5 but of course this is not how Apple does things.
The iPhone SE as well as the 6S/6S Plus will almost certainly still get iOS 13 
next year and probably even iOS 14 in 2020 and only with iOS 15 in 2021 will 
they be dropped from the upgrade list.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jim Weiss
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Craig,
With the announcement from Apple next Wednesday regarding all of the new 
hardware you may just want to sit tight.  First off the price may drop even 
lower than $100, but as Apple announces new products they also roll existing 
products into end of support and end of life.  If Apple stays consistent iOS 12 
will probably be the last version that will run on the iPhone 6 and probably 
the SE since they are basically the same hardware just in a different form 
factor.  That being said the iPhone 7 will probably drop in price as it will 
technically be the 4th oldest version after the 9/12 announcement.
Regards,
Jim Weiss
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characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between 
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what holds you back.” National Federation for the Blind


On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:46 AM, kitty hevener 
mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Craig, I made that same upgrade last year and have been very happy with the 
apple SE.  So far, my se has accepted all the updates.

From: Craig Werner<mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:13 AM
To: viphone<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?  
Thanks for any advice.

Craig
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RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Carolyn Arnold]

I can tell you that I really, I mean really like my SE. I have had a 4S and all 
kind of feature phones, but finally, I have something I enjoy using. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?  
Thanks for any advice.

Craig

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RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The iPhone X will be replaced by a new model most likely called the iPhone XS 
and there is talk that there will also be a larger iPhone XS Plus model 
probably with a 6.5 inch screen instead of the 5.8 inch screen of the iPhone X 
and upcoming XS.
There will most likely also be another new and less expensive iPhone which 
maybe called the iPhone 9 which is rumoured to have a 6.1 inch LCD screen.
My guess is that the iPhone X from last year will definitely be discontinued 
and that some of the iPhone 8/8 Plus models and probably the iPhone 7 wil stick 
around as the new lower cost models.
If you buy a new device a week or even a month before the next major 
announcement and release of the new phones then that is what happens and since 
you bought an iPhone X I assume you wanted the latest and greatest which next 
week will still be pretty good, but not quite the latest and greatest any more 
and in terms of price the new iPhone XS will probably cost exactly what you 
paid for your iPhone X, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Apple has 
released new phones in September for at least 6 or 7 years.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Hi,
I heard that they’re going to drop the iphone x, and I just got one.

Is this true?

Thanks,
Jessica


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Craig,
With the announcement from Apple next Wednesday regarding all of the new 
hardware you may just want to sit tight.  First off the price may drop even 
lower than $100, but as Apple announces new products they also roll existing 
products into end of support and end of life.  If Apple stays consistent iOS 12 
will probably be the last version that will run on the iPhone 6 and probably 
the SE since they are basically the same hardware just in a different form 
factor.  That being said the iPhone 7 will probably drop in price as it will 
technically be the 4th oldest version after the 9/12 announcement.
Regards,
Jim Weiss
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On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:46 AM, kitty hevener 
mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Craig, I made that same upgrade last year and have been very happy with the 
apple SE.  So far, my se has accepted all the updates.

From: Craig Werner<mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:13 AM
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Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?  
Thanks for any advice.

Craig
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RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

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Hi,

I heard that they’re going to drop the iphone x, and I just got one.

 

Is this true?

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jim Weiss
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

 

Craig,

With the announcement from Apple next Wednesday regarding all of the new 
hardware you may just want to sit tight.  First off the price may drop even 
lower than $100, but as Apple announces new products they also roll existing 
products into end of support and end of life.  If Apple stays consistent iOS 12 
will probably be the last version that will run on the iPhone 6 and probably 
the SE since they are basically the same hardware just in a different form 
factor.  That being said the iPhone 7 will probably drop in price as it will 
technically be the 4th oldest version after the 9/12 announcement.

Regards,

Jim Weiss

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Craig, I made that same upgrade last year and have been very happy with the 
apple SE.  So far, my se has accepted all the updates.  

 

From: Craig Werner <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:13 AM

To: viphone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?  
Thanks for any advice.

 

Craig

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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

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Craig,
With the announcement from Apple next Wednesday regarding all of the new 
hardware you may just want to sit tight.  First off the price may drop even 
lower than $100, but as Apple announces new products they also roll existing 
products into end of support and end of life.  If Apple stays consistent iOS 12 
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the SE since they are basically the same hardware just in a different form 
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technically be the 4th oldest version after the 9/12 announcement.
Regards,
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> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:46 AM, kitty hevener  wrote:
> 
> Craig, I made that same upgrade last year and have been very happy with the 
> apple SE.  So far, my se has accepted all the updates. 
>  
> From: Craig Werner <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:13 AM
> To: viphone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>  
> Hello, everyone.
>  
> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
> offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
> whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
> allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?  
> Thanks for any advice.
>  
> Craig
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Craig, I made that same upgrade last year and have been very happy with the 
apple SE.  So far, my se has accepted all the updates.  

From: Craig Werner 
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:13 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
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RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Craig,

Yes, but if you wait a week or two you will probably get an SE for free 
although I would advise against the SE. The SE is basically a 6S with respect 
to processor and so on, of course it has the smaller 4 inch screen and unlike 
the 6S/6S Plus, the SE does not have 3D Touch and it still has the first 
generation touch Id home button. In the 6S/6S Plus this was upgraded to a 
faster and I think more reliable second generation touch Id home button.
The fact is that the iPhone 6S/6S Plus came out in the fall of 2015 and while 
the SE was released in spring of 2016 it is as I said basically a device of 
that generation so by now 3 years old.
Also, there is little point in upgrading to iOS 11 now when iOS 12 will be 
released to the public in 2 weeks. iOS 12 is going to be better at the first 
12.0 release than iOS 11.4.1 is which was released in early July and which I 
think is the latest iOS 11 release.
You may not need or want the latest and greatest and that’s perfectly fine, but 
I would at least wait since there are rumours that Apple may update the SE as 
well although this may not be announced in this keynote, it could verywell be a 
muchmore silent upgrade, but like I said, to buy an iPhone a week before the 
major annual keynote is not the best choice. Even if the SE is discontinued, 
there will still be inventory for a little while afterwards and carriers will 
be looking to get rid of that. Also, Also, which capacity is it that is being 
offered for $100 by your carrier? I just had a look on the Apple website and 
here in Canada I can buy a brandnew unlocked iPhone SE 32Gb from Apple without 
any contract for $479 canadian, I assume this wold be $350 in the US, the 
second option, the 128Gb model, is $599 Canadian, probably it would be $450 in 
the US. If your carriers still charges $100 and requires you to lock yourself 
into a 2-year plan then that is not such a hot deal in my opinion.
If places like Best Buy or Target in the US have inventory after next week 
there is a good chance you’ll be able to get an even better deal.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Craig 
Werner
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 3:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Good point, Christopher.  I know about the upcoming Apple grand presentation, 
but even if the 9 or something like it materializes, the low price tag on the 
SE is something to consider.  Thanks for responding.

Craig

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:21 AM 'christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone 
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Hi. Absolutely up to you on this one, but FYI Apple will be holding a special 
event next week with their new iPhones. If the rumours out there are true, the 
SE could be replaced with a 6.1-inch iPhone, possibly named iPhone 9 or even 
iPhone 11. All will be revealed next week.



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I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is 
offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Gerardo Corripio]

Remember though that because the phones that'll come out next week will 
be new, they'll be at their regular price, thus the SE for $100 sounds 
like a good deal for me! Maybe they want to get rid of them, to make 
place for the newer phones?
El 05/09/2018 a las 05:20 a.m., 'christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone 
escribió:
Hi. Absolutely up to you on this one, but FYI Apple will be holding a 
special event next week with their new iPhones. If the rumours out 
there are true, the SE could be replaced with a 6.1-inch iPhone, 
possibly named iPhone 9 or even iPhone 11. All will be revealed next week.




On 5 Sep 2018, at 10:13, Craig Werner > wrote:



Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my 
carrier is offering the latter for $100. I don't want a phone with 
lots of bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, 
which the iPhone does not allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I 
should not upgrade to the SE?  Thanks for any advice.


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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Michael Feir]

The SE certainly wouldn't be something I'd considdr at this point. There
are many more things besides screen size which change between models and
most of these changes will have an effect on what we do as blind users. For
instance, the processing power in even the cheepest new iPHONE will be
vastly superior to that of the SE. This can help in all sorts of ways
especially when multi-tasking. The modems and antennas will improve which
will result in less data used and better connectivity. Even the camera
improvements can make a real difference to results of document reading or
item identification.

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> Hi Craig
>
> personally unless you have enough sight to see the screen then I can't see
> that it's necessary to have the latest and greatest which I believe are all
> larger than the se.  I am currently using the se and will keep it until it
> can't be updated any more or there's something I want' to do that can't be
> done on the se.  Once the new phones come out you might find the se gets
> even cheaper.
>
> Linda
>
> On 05/09/2018 10:13, Craig Werner wrote:
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is
> offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and
> whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not
> allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?
> Thanks for any advice.
>
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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

['Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone]

Hi Craig

personally unless you have enough sight to see the screen then I can't 
see that it's necessary to have the latest and greatest which I believe 
are all larger than the se.  I am currently using the se and will keep 
it until it can't be updated any more or there's something I want' to do 
that can't be done on the se.  Once the new phones come out you might 
find the se gets even cheaper.


Linda

On 05/09/2018 10:13, Craig Werner wrote:

Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my 
carrier is offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with 
lots of bells and whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, 
which the iPhone does not allow. Are there compelling reasons why I 
should not upgrade to the SE?  Thanks for any advice.


Craig
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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Craig Werner]

Good point, Christopher.  I know about the upcoming Apple grand
presentation, but even if the 9 or something like it materializes, the low
price tag on the SE is something to consider.  Thanks for responding.

Craig

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> Hi. Absolutely up to you on this one, but FYI Apple will be holding a
> special event next week with their new iPhones. If the rumours out there
> are true, the SE could be replaced with a 6.1-inch iPhone, possibly named
> iPhone 9 or even iPhone 11. All will be revealed next week.
>
>
>
> On 5 Sep 2018, at 10:13, Craig Werner  wrote:
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> Hello, everyone.
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> I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is
> offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and
> whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not
> allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?
> Thanks for any advice.
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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

['christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone]

Hi. Absolutely up to you on this one, but FYI Apple will be holding a special 
event next week with their new iPhones. If the rumours out there are true, the 
SE could be replaced with a 6.1-inch iPhone, possibly named iPhone 9 or even 
iPhone 11. All will be revealed next week.



> On 5 Sep 2018, at 10:13, Craig Werner  wrote:
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> Hello, everyone.
> 
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> offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and 
> whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not 
> allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?  
> Thanks for any advice.
> 
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Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

I am considering replacing my iPhone with an iPhone SE since my carrier is
offering the latter for $100.  I don't want a phone with lots of bells and
whistles, but I would like one that runs iOS 11X, which the iPhone does not
allow.  Are there compelling reasons why I should not upgrade to the SE?
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Re: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish Responsiveness?

[Craig Werner]

I'm glad to report that I am noticing no slow-downs as a result of my
update to iOS 8.1.3.  When I press the home button in preparation to
transition from one app to another, the phone is very responsive.  The
phone overall is a bit snappier than it was under 7.1.2.

Craig

On 2/12/15, SSEric sseri...@gmail.com wrote:
 The only real slowdown I've noticed is when hitting the home key from
 within
 an app and the home screen speaking.

 There have been a few occasions when I have turned off speech and asked
 someone to do something and it worked a lot better. For example, reading
 the
 list of recently released titles in the BARD Mobile app. It is nearly
 impossible to add something to the wish list and go back to the list.
 Without speech, it worked with very little delay.

 Eric


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 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 5:34 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish
 Responsiveness?

 Hi,

 It's going to be slower because it's a newer operating system. I
 haven't used 7 on a 5 so can't really compare, but I have used one
 running 8 and to me it's still usable.

 Cheers,
 Ben.

 On 2/12/15, Craig Werner coffeeb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello, everyone.

 I have a 16GB iPhone 5 running iOS 7.1.2 with about 6.8 GB free, and
 I'm on the edge of upgrading it to the latest iOS 8 version.  The only
 concern holding me back is worry about sluggish response.  If I
 upgrade, will commands be executed more slowly?  I keep only one or
 two apps open at a time, so I believe in giving the phone an even
 break.  smile

 Thank you for all help.

 Craig

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RE: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish Responsiveness?

[Alan Lemly]

Craig,

That's great. I got a similar result when switching to iOS 8 on an iPhone 5.
I had a lot of apps on that 5 and the only thing that seemed slower under 8
than under 7.1.2 was the 3-finger swipes between my 10 pages of apps. The
opening and execution of the apps all seemed to perform as quickly under iOS
8.1.3 as they had under iOS 7.1.2.

Alan Lemly

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Of Craig Werner
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 8:48 AM
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Subject: Re: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish
Responsiveness?

I'm glad to report that I am noticing no slow-downs as a result of my
update to iOS 8.1.3.  When I press the home button in preparation to
transition from one app to another, the phone is very responsive.  The
phone overall is a bit snappier than it was under 7.1.2.

Craig

On 2/12/15, SSEric sseri...@gmail.com wrote:
 The only real slowdown I've noticed is when hitting the home key from
 within
 an app and the home screen speaking.

 There have been a few occasions when I have turned off speech and asked
 someone to do something and it worked a lot better. For example, reading
 the
 list of recently released titles in the BARD Mobile app. It is nearly
 impossible to add something to the wish list and go back to the list.
 Without speech, it worked with very little delay.

 Eric


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 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 5:34 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish
 Responsiveness?

 Hi,

 It's going to be slower because it's a newer operating system. I
 haven't used 7 on a 5 so can't really compare, but I have used one
 running 8 and to me it's still usable.

 Cheers,
 Ben.

 On 2/12/15, Craig Werner coffeeb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello, everyone.

 I have a 16GB iPhone 5 running iOS 7.1.2 with about 6.8 GB free, and
 I'm on the edge of upgrading it to the latest iOS 8 version.  The only
 concern holding me back is worry about sluggish response.  If I
 upgrade, will commands be executed more slowly?  I keep only one or
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Re: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish Responsiveness?

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Hi,

It's going to be slower because it's a newer operating system. I
haven't used 7 on a 5 so can't really compare, but I have used one
running 8 and to me it's still usable.

Cheers,
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Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish Responsiveness?

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

I have a 16GB iPhone 5 running iOS 7.1.2 with about 6.8 GB free, and
I'm on the edge of upgrading it to the latest iOS 8 version.  The only
concern holding me back is worry about sluggish response.  If I
upgrade, will commands be executed more slowly?  I keep only one or
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break.  smile

Thank you for all help.

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RE: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish Responsiveness?

[SSEric]

The only real slowdown I've noticed is when hitting the home key from within
an app and the home screen speaking.

There have been a few occasions when I have turned off speech and asked
someone to do something and it worked a lot better. For example, reading the
list of recently released titles in the BARD Mobile app. It is nearly
impossible to add something to the wish list and go back to the list.
Without speech, it worked with very little delay.

Eric


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Hi,

It's going to be slower because it's a newer operating system. I
haven't used 7 on a 5 so can't really compare, but I have used one
running 8 and to me it's still usable.

Cheers,
Ben.

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Re: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish Responsiveness?

[Alex Hall]

The only sluggishness I've found on my iPhone 5 is when returning to the Home 
Screen. Sometimes, there's a delay of a few seconds before things work again. 
Safari also freezes up from time to time, but for me, that's nothing new in 
iOS8. Please refer to www.applevis.com for the current bug list (sorry I don't 
have the exact link handy). Talking only about sluggishness, though, I can't 
see a reason not to upgrade. App launching, content scrolling, all that is 
about the same. From time to time there's a delay as I swipe right through a 
list, but that's not often and I'm not even sure it's new to iOS8.

Sent from my iPhone

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 I have a 16GB iPhone 5 running iOS 7.1.2 with about 6.8 GB free, and
 I'm on the edge of upgrading it to the latest iOS 8 version.  The only
 concern holding me back is worry about sluggish response.  If I
 upgrade, will commands be executed more slowly?  I keep only one or
 two apps open at a time, so I believe in giving the phone an even
 break.  smile
 
 Thank you for all help.
 
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Re: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish Responsiveness?

[Christopher Chaltain]

There's no reason a newer operating system has to be slower. In fact, 
performance improvements are often included in releases of newer 
software. Dot releases of both IOS 7 and IOS 8 have included performance 
improvements.


On 02/12/2015 04:34 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

It's going to be slower because it's a newer operating system. I
haven't used 7 on a 5 so can't really compare, but I have used one
running 8 and to me it's still usable.

Cheers,
Ben.

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I have a 16GB iPhone 5 running iOS 7.1.2 with about 6.8 GB free, and
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concern holding me back is worry about sluggish response.  If I
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Re: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish Responsiveness?

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

There's no reason why a new OS *has* to be slower no, but anyone who
has used two operating systems on an iDevice that isn't the latest and
greatest will tell you that performance has decreased. Had the OP been
talking about going from 8.0 to 8.1.3 for arguments sake then my
response would have been different, but he's asking about going from
7.1.2 to 8.1.3. I appreciate that you may have just been posting for
the sake of completeness, but IMHO some posts (not just ones on this
list) don't need a huge list of caveats at the end of them.

Cheers,
Ben.


On 2/13/15, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 There's no reason a newer operating system has to be slower. In fact,
 performance improvements are often included in releases of newer
 software. Dot releases of both IOS 7 and IOS 8 have included performance
 improvements.

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 Hi,

 It's going to be slower because it's a newer operating system. I
 haven't used 7 on a 5 so can't really compare, but I have used one
 running 8 and to me it's still usable.

 Cheers,
 Ben.

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 Hello, everyone.

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 I'm on the edge of upgrading it to the latest iOS 8 version.  The only
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Re: Will Upgrading an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 Cause Sluggish Responsiveness?

[Christopher Chaltain]

OK, fare enough, but you seemed to be making a blanket statement and 
even admitted that you hadn't moved from IOS 7 to IOS 8 on an iPhone 5 
yourself. I've seen people talk about a performance hit on the 4S, and 
I've mentioned this myself, but I haven't really seen anyone talking 
about a step backwards in performance on an iPhone 5. I agree every post 
and opinion doesn't need a long list of caveats, but I do think blanket 
statements not based on actual experience do need to be put into 
perspective.


On 02/12/2015 07:20 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

There's no reason why a new OS *has* to be slower no, but anyone who
has used two operating systems on an iDevice that isn't the latest and
greatest will tell you that performance has decreased. Had the OP been
talking about going from 8.0 to 8.1.3 for arguments sake then my
response would have been different, but he's asking about going from
7.1.2 to 8.1.3. I appreciate that you may have just been posting for
the sake of completeness, but IMHO some posts (not just ones on this
list) don't need a huge list of caveats at the end of them.

Cheers,
Ben.


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There's no reason a newer operating system has to be slower. In fact,
performance improvements are often included in releases of newer
software. Dot releases of both IOS 7 and IOS 8 have included performance
improvements.

On 02/12/2015 04:34 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

It's going to be slower because it's a newer operating system. I
haven't used 7 on a 5 so can't really compare, but I have used one
running 8 and to me it's still usable.

Cheers,
Ben.

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I have a 16GB iPhone 5 running iOS 7.1.2 with about 6.8 GB free, and
I'm on the edge of upgrading it to the latest iOS 8 version.  The only
concern holding me back is worry about sluggish response.  If I
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Re: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

[Chris]

It is up to you but if you can afford it get the 5 otherwise get the 4s. 
I heard someone's 4s running iOS 6 and works just fine.


On 26/09/2012 00:07, Jim Portillo wrote:

Howdy,

I’d like to hear from anyone who has upgraded to a new IPhone 5.  I have
the IPhone 4 and am ready to upgrade but am unsure whether I should do
it now or wait.  Are there serious bugs either in the phone or in the
operating system?  I keep hearing there have been major changes to the
system and would like to know what to expect.

Thanks much.

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Upgrading to IPhone 5?

[Jim Portillo]

Howdy,

 

I'd like to hear from anyone who has upgraded to a new IPhone 5.  I have the
IPhone 4 and am ready to upgrade but am unsure whether I should do it now or
wait.  Are there serious bugs either in the phone or in the operating
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RE: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

[Joe]

If I were on an iPhone 4, I would definitely upgrade. The gap between both
devices is significant enough to warrant the step forward. I have not seen
any hardware glitches worthy of hesitation, and whatever software bugs exist
today will probably be gone in a few weeks or so. Coming from a
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Re: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

[Fred Olver]

Jim, Generally speaking, any time you upgrade to a higher level software and 
hardware there are going to be some bugs. Most, if I have read most of the 
messages correctly appear to be fairly insignificant. Keep in mind, though, 
that because you are upgrading to an Iphone 5, you are mostly going to have to 
get used to making use of Siri. For me, as I will be making the same move as 
you are contemplating in six weeks this will probably be the most difficult 
item to overcome.

Fred Olver
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  Subject: Upgrading to IPhone 5?


  Howdy,

   

  I'd like to hear from anyone who has upgraded to a new IPhone 5.  I have the 
IPhone 4 and am ready to upgrade but am unsure whether I should do it now or 
wait.  Are there serious bugs either in the phone or in the operating system?  
I keep hearing there have been major changes to the system and would like to 
know what to expect.

  Thanks much.

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RE: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

[Joe]

Siri is optional. One need not use Siri to get around the phone. In fact,
you're probably better off not using the blasted thing lest you feel tempted
to knock around your shiny new phone a little. If you've been used to iOS 5,
iOS 6 won't be any trouble whatsoever.--Joe

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Olver
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

 

Jim, Generally speaking, any time you upgrade to a higher level software and
hardware there are going to be some bugs. Most, if I have read most of the
messages correctly appear to be fairly insignificant. Keep in mind, though,
that because you are upgrading to an Iphone 5, you are mostly going to have
to get used to making use of Siri. For me, as I will be making the same move
as you are contemplating in six weeks this will probably be the most
difficult item to overcome.

 

Fred Olver

- Original Message - 

From: Jim Portillo mailto:portillo@gmail.com  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:07 PM

Subject: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

 

Howdy,

 

I'd like to hear from anyone who has upgraded to a new IPhone 5.  I have the
IPhone 4 and am ready to upgrade but am unsure whether I should do it now or
wait.  Are there serious bugs either in the phone or in the operating
system?  I keep hearing there have been major changes to the system and
would like to know what to expect.

Thanks much.

Jim

 

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Re: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

[James Mannion]

Why would you have to get use to making use to siri unless you want
to? I'm not certain what you meant and maybe you just meant learning
how to use it in order to make use of it to whatever its potential for
you. You would not ever have to touch siri and you could still use the
phone as you always do even with an IPhone 5.

On 9/25/12, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:
 Jim, Generally speaking, any time you upgrade to a higher level software and
 hardware there are going to be some bugs. Most, if I have read most of the
 messages correctly appear to be fairly insignificant. Keep in mind, though,
 that because you are upgrading to an Iphone 5, you are mostly going to have
 to get used to making use of Siri. For me, as I will be making the same move
 as you are contemplating in six weeks this will probably be the most
 difficult item to overcome.

 Fred Olver
   - Original Message -
   From: Jim Portillo
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:07 PM
   Subject: Upgrading to IPhone 5?


   Howdy,



   I'd like to hear from anyone who has upgraded to a new IPhone 5.  I have
 the IPhone 4 and am ready to upgrade but am unsure whether I should do it
 now or wait.  Are there serious bugs either in the phone or in the operating
 system?  I keep hearing there have been major changes to the system and
 would like to know what to expect.

   Thanks much.

   Jim




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Re: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

[Fred Olver]

You know James, I could take this thread alot further, but I won't, suffice 
it to say that Siri is an integral part of Iphone use, now and why someone 
wouldn't want to use it I can't imagine. I was merely attempting to point 
out that for me that appears to be the most difficult item on the list to 
learn. If, of course one chooses not to use it, then of course it wouldn't 
be an issue. So if you don't agree with me, and you don't use Siri, why even 
bring it up if it isn't a part of your way of using the Iphone. I get so 
sick of people like you picking apart messages and threads just because the 
message doesn't necessarily agree with your way of thinking. So why don't 
you just go on with your life, ignore the message if it doesn't apply to you 
and let those of us who do actually have a worthwhile point of view bring it 
to the attention of the person who asked the question in the first place.


Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IPhone 5?



Why would you have to get use to making use to siri unless you want
to? I'm not certain what you meant and maybe you just meant learning
how to use it in order to make use of it to whatever its potential for
you. You would not ever have to touch siri and you could still use the
phone as you always do even with an IPhone 5.

On 9/25/12, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:
Jim, Generally speaking, any time you upgrade to a higher level software 
and
hardware there are going to be some bugs. Most, if I have read most of 
the
messages correctly appear to be fairly insignificant. Keep in mind, 
though,
that because you are upgrading to an Iphone 5, you are mostly going to 
have
to get used to making use of Siri. For me, as I will be making the same 
move

as you are contemplating in six weeks this will probably be the most
difficult item to overcome.

Fred Olver
  - Original Message -
  From: Jim Portillo
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:07 PM
  Subject: Upgrading to IPhone 5?


  Howdy,



  I'd like to hear from anyone who has upgraded to a new IPhone 5.  I 
have

the IPhone 4 and am ready to upgrade but am unsure whether I should do it
now or wait.  Are there serious bugs either in the phone or in the 
operating

system?  I keep hearing there have been major changes to the system and
would like to know what to expect.

  Thanks much.

  Jim




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RE: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

[John Diakogeorgiou]

Siri is just another feature that exists on the phone. There is nothing to
say you have to use it. Most features work the same regardless of which
phone you are using.
  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Mannion
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

Why would you have to get use to making use to siri unless you want
to? I'm not certain what you meant and maybe you just meant learning
how to use it in order to make use of it to whatever its potential for
you. You would not ever have to touch siri and you could still use the
phone as you always do even with an IPhone 5.

On 9/25/12, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:
 Jim, Generally speaking, any time you upgrade to a higher level software
and
 hardware there are going to be some bugs. Most, if I have read most of the
 messages correctly appear to be fairly insignificant. Keep in mind,
though,
 that because you are upgrading to an Iphone 5, you are mostly going to
have
 to get used to making use of Siri. For me, as I will be making the same
move
 as you are contemplating in six weeks this will probably be the most
 difficult item to overcome.

 Fred Olver
   - Original Message -
   From: Jim Portillo
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:07 PM
   Subject: Upgrading to IPhone 5?


   Howdy,



   I'd like to hear from anyone who has upgraded to a new IPhone 5.  I have
 the IPhone 4 and am ready to upgrade but am unsure whether I should do it
 now or wait.  Are there serious bugs either in the phone or in the
operating
 system?  I keep hearing there have been major changes to the system and
 would like to know what to expect.

   Thanks much.

   Jim




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RE: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

[John Diakogeorgiou]

Jim:

I am one who upgraded from 4 to 5. As I and others have stated that is an
upgrade which makes much sense. I love the feel of the new phone. It is a
bit longer, thinner and lighter and just feels good in the hand. I like the
extra row of icons and more lines per page to choose from when scrolling. 

I have found no hardware issues with the new phone. The software issues
exist regardless of which phone you are using.

Other advantages include Siri, a better camera, it's faster etc.

If you can afford it go for it.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Portillo
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Upgrading to IPhone 5?

 

Howdy,

 

I'd like to hear from anyone who has upgraded to a new IPhone 5.  I have the
IPhone 4 and am ready to upgrade but am unsure whether I should do it now or
wait.  Are there serious bugs either in the phone or in the operating
system?  I keep hearing there have been major changes to the system and
would like to know what to expect.

Thanks much.

Jim

 

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Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Wendy Alling]

I preordered my iPhone 5 last night, the 32 gb, and it will ship in 2 to 3 
weeks.

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Date: Sunday, Sep 16, 2012 07:23:48 PM
Subject: Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About 
Upgrading to iPhone 5



 One other thing to consider is that the 16 gb models will sell out first 
 since they tend to be the more popular ones. At least this was the case 
 with the 4S when I was looking at getting it in October last year. So, 
 I'd be curious to see if the same trend happens with the 5 in that the 
 64 gb one is less of a wait than the 32 or 16 gb.
 
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 On 9/14/2012 11:45 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
  For what it's worth, I've seen several references on Twitter tonight
  that Apple sold out of the pre-orders for next week's phones within 60
  minutes. I was able to pre-order mine over the phone with Apple
  several hours ago, and it should be sent out within 2-3 weeks. Though
  the wait is a little long, at least I'll be garanteed an iPhone 5,
  unlike the many people I have a feeling who will show up the day it is
  in stores and have to go back and forth to/from the store, or from
  store to store, in order to find one in stock. It will be hard to
  wait, but at least I can put iOS 6 on my iPhone 4 next week and start
  playing with things a little.
 
  Regards,
  Wayne
 
  On 9/14/12, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
  It's funny because I don't know of anyone who is underwhealmed by the
  iPhone 5.  In fact, I think there was more negative reaction to the 4 and 
  4S
  among the people I know than the 5.  I think that we really sometimes miss
  the point of these releases because we naturally look at the accessibility
  features over anything else.
 
 
  Take Care
 
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  Mac for the Blind
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  On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:48 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote:
 
  Hello Everyone,
@ 
  I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
  eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted
  to
  confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase
  iPhone
  5.
@ 
  I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
  While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless
  stores
  as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised.  There
  was a waiting list to enter the store.
@ 
  I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
  because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.
@ 
  It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
  presentation.
@ 
  After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless
  store
  and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.
@ 
  All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
  Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.
@ 
  By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
  receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
  upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:
@ 
  1.
  Open the Phone App.
@ 
  2.
  Switch to the Dial Pad.
@ 
  3.
  Dial *639#
@ 
  4.
  Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
  receive a text message stating your eligibility status.
@ 
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Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Frank Ventura]

Good grief, people actually went into a cell store merely to preorder a phone, 
let alone pick up something. Usually going into a cell phone store  is 
something I only do as self punishment. I'll admit I also preordered an IPhone 
5 but I did it without even getting dressed or getting my but off of the couch. 
I merely had the Apple Store App installed o my old IPhone. I loaded it up and 
with a few taps got a confirmation email that said it would be delivered to my 
home on the 21st. Hope all of those folks at least got a free lollypop or 
something.

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Email: frank.vent...@littlebreezes.commailto:frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com
Voicemail: 781 492-4262
Imessage: frankmvent...@mac.commailto:frankmvent...@mac.com

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On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:48 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edumailto:mk...@ucla.edu 
wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted to
confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase iPhone
5.

I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless stores
as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised.  There
was a waiting list to enter the store.

I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.

It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
presentation.

After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless store
and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.

All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.

By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:

1.
Open the Phone App.

2.
Switch to the Dial Pad.

3.
Dial *639#

4.
Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
receive a text message stating your eligibility status.

Mark

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Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I too ordered my phone through the I phone App.  I have just ordered the I pod 
7 Gen through the App.  I love the Apple store app, so easy to use.

On 15 Sep 2012, at 10:47 AM, Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com 
wrote:

 Good grief, people actually went into a cell store merely to preorder a 
 phone, let alone pick up something. Usually going into a cell phone store  is 
 something I only do as self punishment. I'll admit I also preordered an 
 IPhone 5 but I did it without even getting dressed or getting my but off of 
 the couch. I merely had the Apple Store App installed o my old IPhone. I 
 loaded it up and with a few taps got a confirmation email that said it would 
 be delivered to my home on the 21st. Hope all of those folks at least got a 
 free lollypop or something.
 
 Frank Ventura
 Email: frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com
 Voicemail: 781 492-4262
 Imessage: frankmvent...@mac.com
 
 *Sent from my Mac Book Air*
 
 
 
 On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:48 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
 eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted to
 confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase iPhone
 5.
 
 I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
 While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless stores
 as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised.  There
 was a waiting list to enter the store.  
 
 I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
 because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.  
 
 It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
 presentation.
 
 After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless store
 and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.  
 
 All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
 Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.  
 
 By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
 receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
 upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:
 
 1.
 Open the Phone App.
 
 2.
 Switch to the Dial Pad.
 
 3.
 Dial *639#
 
 4.
 Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
 receive a text message stating your eligibility status.
 
 Mark
 
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Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Kevin Barry]

The only people who were underwhelmed were those who are chronic 
complainers and whiners.
Just about everything on the new phone is improved but yet some 
still  insist it's not enough.
Ask them what they would want instead and mostly you hear the sound 
of crickets.


At 10:48 PM 9/14/2012, you wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted to
confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase iPhone
5.

I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless stores
as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised.  There
was a waiting list to enter the store.

I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.

It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
presentation.

After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless store
and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.

All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.

By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:

1.
Open the Phone App.

2.
Switch to the Dial Pad.

3.
Dial *639#

4.
Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
receive a text message stating your eligibility status.

Mark

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Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Eric Oyen]

that code you sent does not work. all I get is: your call cannot be completed 
as dialed...

-eric
On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

 Hello Everyone,
 
 I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
 eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted to
 confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase iPhone
 5.
 
 I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
 While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless stores
 as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised.  There
 was a waiting list to enter the store.  
 
 I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
 because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.  
 
 It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
 presentation.
 
 After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless store
 and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.  
 
 All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
 Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.  
 
 By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
 receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
 upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:
 
 1.
 Open the Phone App.
 
 2.
 Switch to the Dial Pad.
 
 3.
 Dial *639#
 
 4.
 Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
 receive a text message stating your eligibility status.
 
 Mark
 
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Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Damashe Thomas]

The phone is a very nice upgrade from models. I wasn't underwhelmed, but I 
do admit to being slightly disappointed that apple wasn't able to keep 
anything secret this time. Last year, siri on the 4S was something no one 
knew was coming. This year however, it seems that just about leaked well in 
advance of the event and it was mostly confirmation, and in some cases more 
deatils. I just wanted to be surprised is all. Not being surprised by 
anything doesn't deminish the excellent product apple has released, and I 
will get one.
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About 
Upgrading to iPhone 5



The only people who were underwhelmed were those who are chronic 
complainers and whiners.
Just about everything on the new phone is improved but yet some still 
insist it's not enough.
Ask them what they would want instead and mostly you hear the sound of 
crickets.


At 10:48 PM 9/14/2012, you wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted 
to

confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase iPhone
5.

I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless stores
as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised.  There
was a waiting list to enter the store.

I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.

It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
presentation.

After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless 
store

and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.

All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.

By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:

1.
Open the Phone App.

2.
Switch to the Dial Pad.

3.
Dial *639#

4.
Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
receive a text message stating your eligibility status.

Mark

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Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[James Mannion]

You have to be sure to enter *639# and be sure to put the * at the
bbeginning and the # at the end. I suspect you are not putting the #
at the end and that you are only dialing *639.

Hope this helps,
Jim

On 9/15/12, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 that code you sent does not work. all I get is: your call cannot be
 completed as dialed...

 -eric
 On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

 Hello Everyone,

 I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
 eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted
 to
 confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase
 iPhone
 5.

 I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
 While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless
 stores
 as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised.  There
 was a waiting list to enter the store.

 I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
 because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.

 It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
 presentation.

 After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless
 store
 and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.

 All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
 Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.

 By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
 receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
 upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:

 1.
 Open the Phone App.

 2.
 Switch to the Dial Pad.

 3.
 Dial *639#

 4.
 Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
 receive a text message stating your eligibility status.

 Mark

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*639#Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Crystal French]

Hello:
No, the person who reported that the *639# code does not work is correct.

I wanted to be sure about my upgrade status, and get no message back after 
entering the code.


I tried several times to no avail.

Crystal

- Original Message - 
From: James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About 
Upgrading to iPhone 5




You have to be sure to enter *639# and be sure to put the * at the
bbeginning and the # at the end. I suspect you are not putting the #
at the end and that you are only dialing *639.

Hope this helps,
Jim

On 9/15/12, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:

that code you sent does not work. all I get is: your call cannot be
completed as dialed...

-eric
On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello Everyone,

I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted
to
confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase
iPhone
5.

I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless
stores
as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised. 
There

was a waiting list to enter the store.

I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.

It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
presentation.

After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless
store
and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.

All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.

By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:

1.
Open the Phone App.

2.
Switch to the Dial Pad.

3.
Dial *639#

4.
Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
receive a text message stating your eligibility status.

Mark

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Re: *639#Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Larry Smith]

It did work for me. Make sure that you enter star639pound.
On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Crystal French rainc...@clearwire.net wrote:

 Hello:
 No, the person who reported that the *639# code does not work is correct.
 
 I wanted to be sure about my upgrade status, and get no message back after 
 entering the code.
 
 I tried several times to no avail.
 
 Crystal
 
 - Original Message - From: James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:42 PM
 Subject: Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About 
 Upgrading to iPhone 5
 
 
 You have to be sure to enter *639# and be sure to put the * at the
 bbeginning and the # at the end. I suspect you are not putting the #
 at the end and that you are only dialing *639.
 
 Hope this helps,
 Jim
 
 On 9/15/12, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 that code you sent does not work. all I get is: your call cannot be
 completed as dialed...
 
 -eric
 On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
 eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted
 to
 confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase
 iPhone
 5.
 
 I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
 While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless
 stores
 as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised. There
 was a waiting list to enter the store.
 
 I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
 because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.
 
 It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
 presentation.
 
 After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless
 store
 and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.
 
 All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
 Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.
 
 By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
 receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
 upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:
 
 1.
 Open the Phone App.
 
 2.
 Switch to the Dial Pad.
 
 3.
 Dial *639#
 
 4.
 Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
 receive a text message stating your eligibility status.
 
 Mark
 
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Re: *639#Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Jesus Hernandez]

it could also be a delay since lots of people are checking for upgrades.
On Sep 15, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Larry Smith larry.smith...@gmail.com wrote:

 It did work for me. Make sure that you enter star639pound.
 On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Crystal French rainc...@clearwire.net wrote:
 
 Hello:
 No, the person who reported that the *639# code does not work is correct.
 
 I wanted to be sure about my upgrade status, and get no message back after 
 entering the code.
 
 I tried several times to no avail.
 
 Crystal
 
 - Original Message - From: James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:42 PM
 Subject: Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About 
 Upgrading to iPhone 5
 
 
 You have to be sure to enter *639# and be sure to put the * at the
 bbeginning and the # at the end. I suspect you are not putting the #
 at the end and that you are only dialing *639.
 
 Hope this helps,
 Jim
 
 On 9/15/12, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 that code you sent does not work. all I get is: your call cannot be
 completed as dialed...
 
 -eric
 On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
 eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted
 to
 confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase
 iPhone
 5.
 
 I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
 While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless
 stores
 as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised. There
 was a waiting list to enter the store.
 
 I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
 because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.
 
 It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
 presentation.
 
 After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless
 store
 and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.
 
 All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
 Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.
 
 By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
 receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
 upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:
 
 1.
 Open the Phone App.
 
 2.
 Switch to the Dial Pad.
 
 3.
 Dial *639#
 
 4.
 Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
 receive a text message stating your eligibility status.
 
 Mark
 
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Re: *639#Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Crystal French]

Hi,
Yes, I absolutely entered the code correctly.

I finally called 611 and talked with an ATT rep.

She suggested I try checking for minutes and balance, which I did, and those 
went through correctly.


At least, I did get pricing information on plans, so it wasn't a waste of 
time.


She did say they were dropping the 250 mb data plan and were going to 300 
mb, with a $5.00 additional for that.


I don't have to have the iPhone 5 the day it comes out, so I think I will 
check to see what other carriers may offer.


Crystal

- Original Message - 
From: Larry Smith larry.smith...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: *639#Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking 
About Upgrading to iPhone 5




It did work for me. Make sure that you enter star639pound.
On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Crystal French rainc...@clearwire.net 
wrote:



Hello:
No, the person who reported that the *639# code does not work is correct.

I wanted to be sure about my upgrade status, and get no message back 
after entering the code.


I tried several times to no avail.

Crystal

- Original Message - From: James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About 
Upgrading to iPhone 5




You have to be sure to enter *639# and be sure to put the * at the
bbeginning and the # at the end. I suspect you are not putting the #
at the end and that you are only dialing *639.

Hope this helps,
Jim

On 9/15/12, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:

that code you sent does not work. all I get is: your call cannot be
completed as dialed...

-eric
On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello Everyone,

I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just 
wanted

to
confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase
iPhone
5.

I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless
stores
as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised. 
There

was a waiting list to enter the store.

I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.

It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
presentation.

After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless
store
and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.

All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.

By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for 
an

upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:

1.
Open the Phone App.

2.
Switch to the Dial Pad.

3.
Dial *639#

4.
Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You 
will

receive a text message stating your eligibility status.

Mark

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Re: *639#A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Wendy Alling]

It does work, tried it about 15 minutes ago.  You press the star key, then 639 
followed by the pound key.

- Original Message -
,f3 ,cry/al ,fr5* rainc...@clearwire.net
,to3  viphone@googlegroups.com,
Date: Saturday, Sep 15, 2012 10:12:08 AM
Subject: *639#Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About 
Upgrading to iPhone 5



 Hello:
 No, the person who reported that the *639# code does not work is correct.
 
 I wanted to be sure about my upgrade status, and get no message back after 
 entering the code.
 
 I tried several times to no avail.
 
 Crystal
 
 - Original Message - 
@ ,f3 8,james ,mannion0 mannion...@gmail.com
@ ,to3 viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:42 PM
 Subject: Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About 
 Upgrading to iPhone 5
 
 
  You have to be sure to enter *639# and be sure to put the * at the
  bbeginning and the # at the end. I suspect you are not putting the #
  at the end and that you are only dialing *639.
 
  Hope this helps,
  Jim
 
  On 9/15/12, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
  that code you sent does not work. all I get is: your call cannot be
  completed as dialed...
 
  comeric
  On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
  Hello Everyone,
@ 
  I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
  eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted
  to
  confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase
  iPhone
  5.
@ 
  I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
  While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless
  stores
  as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised. 
  There
  was a waiting list to enter the store.
@ 
  I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
  because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.
@ 
  It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
  presentation.
@ 
  After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless
  store
  and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.
@ 
  All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
  Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.
@ 
  By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
  receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
  upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:
@ 
  1.
  Open the Phone App.
@ 
  2.
  Switch to the Dial Pad.
@ 
  3.
  Dial *639#
@ 
  4.
  Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
  receive a text message stating your eligibility status.
@ 
  Mark
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Re: *639#Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Lois Butterfield]

It worked for me, too.  You do have to tap call as if you were calling.  The 
text that came didn't make a sound.  I did find an answer though when I 
checked.  Unfortunately, I'm not eligible for an upgrade until June.  Oh 
well.


Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Jesus Hernandez

Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: *639#Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking 
About Upgrading to iPhone 5


it could also be a delay since lots of people are checking for upgrades.
On Sep 15, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Larry Smith larry.smith...@gmail.com wrote:


It did work for me. Make sure that you enter star639pound.
On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Crystal French rainc...@clearwire.net 
wrote:



Hello:
No, the person who reported that the *639# code does not work is correct.

I wanted to be sure about my upgrade status, and get no message back 
after entering the code.


I tried several times to no avail.

Crystal

- Original Message - From: James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About 
Upgrading to iPhone 5




You have to be sure to enter *639# and be sure to put the * at the
bbeginning and the # at the end. I suspect you are not putting the #
at the end and that you are only dialing *639.

Hope this helps,
Jim

On 9/15/12, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:

that code you sent does not work. all I get is: your call cannot be
completed as dialed...

-eric
On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello Everyone,

I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just 
wanted

to
confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase
iPhone
5.

I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless
stores
as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised. 
There

was a waiting list to enter the store.

I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.

It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
presentation.

After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless
store
and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.

All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.

By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for 
an

upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:

1.
Open the Phone App.

2.
Switch to the Dial Pad.

3.
Dial *639#

4.
Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You 
will

receive a text message stating your eligibility status.

Mark

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Re: *639#A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[Paul Ferrara]

And hit the call button.

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Wendy Alling

Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: *639#A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking 
About Upgrading to iPhone 5


It does work, tried it about 15 minutes ago.  You press the star key, then 
639 followed by the pound key.


- Original Message -
,f3 ,cry/al ,fr5* rainc...@clearwire.net
,to3  viphone@googlegroups.com,
Date: Saturday, Sep 15, 2012 10:12:08 AM
Subject: *639#Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking 
About Upgrading to iPhone 5





Hello:
No, the person who reported that the *639# code does not work is correct.

I wanted to be sure about my upgrade status, and get no message back after
entering the code.

I tried several times to no avail.

Crystal

- Original Message - 

@ ,f3 8,james ,mannion0 mannion...@gmail.com
@ ,to3 viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: A Tip for A T  T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About
Upgrading to iPhone 5


 You have to be sure to enter *639# and be sure to put the * at the
 bbeginning and the # at the end. I suspect you are not putting the #
 at the end and that you are only dialing *639.

 Hope this helps,
 Jim

 On 9/15/12, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 that code you sent does not work. all I get is: your call cannot be
 completed as dialed...

 comeric
 On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

 Hello Everyone,

@ 

 I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
 eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just 
 wanted

 to
 confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase
 iPhone
 5.

@ 

 I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
 While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless
 stores
 as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised.
 There
 was a waiting list to enter the store.

@ 

 I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
 because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.

@ 

 It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
 presentation.

@ 

 After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless
 store
 and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.

@ 

 All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
 Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.

@ 

 By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
 receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for 
 an

 upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:

@ 

 1.
 Open the Phone App.

@ 

 2.
 Switch to the Dial Pad.

@ 

 3.
 Dial *639#

@ 

 4.
 Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You 
 will

 receive a text message stating your eligibility status.

@ 

 Mark

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A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted to
confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase iPhone
5.

I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless stores
as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised.  There
was a waiting list to enter the store.  

I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.  

It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
presentation.

After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless store
and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.  

All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.  

By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:

1.
Open the Phone App.

2.
Switch to the Dial Pad.

3.
Dial *639#

4.
Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
receive a text message stating your eligibility status.

Mark

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Re: A Tip for A T T Wireless Customers Who Are Thinking About Upgrading to iPhone 5

[John Panarese]

   It's funny because I don't know of anyone who is underwhealmed by the iPhone 
5.  In fact, I think there was more negative reaction to the 4 and 4S among the 
people I know than the 5.  I think that we really sometimes miss the point of 
these releases because we naturally look at the accessibility features over 
anything else.


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On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:48 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote:

 Hello Everyone,
 
 I went into the A T  T Wireless store a few hours ago to see if I am
 eligible for an upgrade.  Somehow I knew I wouldn't be but I just wanted to
 confirm (Smile).  Not that it matters as I have decided to purchase iPhone
 5.
 
 I was amazed at the fact that the store was jam-packed with customers.
 While I no longer frequent the A T  T Wireless or Verizon Wireless stores
 as much as I used to, I visit enough to have been truly surprised.  There
 was a waiting list to enter the store.  
 
 I asked the receptionist why the store was so busy and she said it was
 because of all the people who are pre-ordering iPhone 5.  
 
 It would appear that not everyone was underwhelmed by Apple's keynote
 presentation.
 
 After leaving the store, I decided to go over to the Verizon Wireless store
 and, it too, was jam-packed with people preordering.  
 
 All I can say is that there appears to be something magical about the
 Apple-effect, as I have come to think of it.  
 
 By the way, I decided not to wait at the A T  T wireless store.  The
 receptionist reminded me that I can check to see if I am eligible for an
 upgrade by doing the following from my iPhone:
 
 1.
 Open the Phone App.
 
 2.
 Switch to the Dial Pad.
 
 3.
 Dial *639#
 
 4.
 Tap the Call button.  By the way, 6 3  9 spells the word NEW.  You will
 receive a text message stating your eligibility status.
 
 Mark
 
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