Re: [AI] Today on the Sexuality and Disability blog

[Manish Agrawal]

Hi Niharika,
An interesting post. I was trying to comment on the post to add my experience 
but could not.
The comments section on your Website is inaccessible for me with firefox and 
both nvda and jaws.
It is very hard to get to the editable area with jaws and with both nvda and 
jaws, I am unable to read what I am typing as a comment or to edit it. I think 
I ended up posting and empty comment or one with junk characters.

I am not sure if this is just with my set up or if others have faced this as 
well.


Regards,
Manish
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Niharika Pandit
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 7:10 AM
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disabled.
Subject: [AI] Today on the Sexuality and Disability blog

Hello everyone,

Greetings from Point of View!

Today on the SexDis blog, we have published an essay 'I'm blind, not
invisible' by Payal Kapoor.
http://blog.sexualityanddisability.org/2017/02/im-blind-not-invisible/

'It is great for the non-disabled to talk about us, but not with us! How
then will the gap that has been created between us ever be bridged?'

Happy Reading!

Best,
Niharika Pandit
Point of View

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Re: [AI] Citrix, Silverlight, Screen-readers and some technical questions

[Manish Agrawal]

Most questions below are basically bugs in jaws - e.g. jaws not working on the 
remote logon screen and having to turn jaws on and off in the remote session. 
You should log them as such with FS, if you haven't done that already.

For switching between the local and remote machines without having to 
disconnect, you should be able to create a key stroke within citrix somewhere. 
This also has to do with the default size of your remote session's window. I 
think it is easier if that window is not full screen by default - I did this 
long ago and am not sure of the details.

Writing to the program-l list will probably get you better responses. 

Silverlight is not something that works with any screen reader in any sensible 
way and I don't think this is going to get fixed because the product itself is 
end of life given MS focusing on html5.

-Manish

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Amar Jain
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 6:33 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Citrix, Silverlight, Screen-readers and some technical questions

Hi all,

Glad to write after a long time. I am looking for screen reader users
who are operating in Citrix environment and would have the patience to
read this e-mail after which they can choose to reply or connect
personally.

The current configurations I have are Zen App 6.0, Worx Mail 10, Jaws
17.0.2417 and Windows 10 on local with Windows 7 on Citrix.

My questions are:

1. Table Navigation and Formatting Commands: Given that the standard
commands do not work on Citrix, what is the most efficient way to deal
with tables other than smart navigation and table layer keystrokes in
Jaws?

Similarly, how do we workaround for shortcuts like Justify in Outlook?
I have currently defined commands for some of the functions. Or is
there a way I can get hotkeys to work? I am on ICS protocol assuming
that is the only option after RDP which is not configured in my case.

2. Jaws' Responsiveness: I find that the Jaws has slightly slower
response on Citrix, and it becomes unmanageable if the internet is not
perfectly stable such as while using with Dongles / Mobile Networks.
This tipically means that any time we have work, there is no way out
then to go office and work. Any way to deal with this?

3. No sound for incoming e-mails: Despite getting my admin to enable
Citrix sounds and System Default sounds, I do not get any incoming
e-mail sounds in Outlook 2007. Other than creating a client rule
within outlook, is there any better way to sort this out?

4. Compressed PDFs: I have to deal with large compressed PDFs, which
for a screen reader means that there are no spaces between words.
Given that I do not have Office 2016 which prevents me from opening
the PDFs directly in word, how do I deal with large documents using
Tagged Reading in accessibility setup? Many a times, Adobe Reader X
stops responding.

5. Silly Questions on MS Office 2007: how do we edit the header? I do
not get any speech after pressing enter on edit header in Insert Tab.

Similarly, any way we can increase our speed in track changes given
that Jaws behaves slow in MS Word 2007 for large documents with track
changes or comments? I have noticed that especially after reaching to
a comment pain, Jaws speech is lost and in some cases, it returns
after some time gap.

6. Logon Screen, No Speech and Caps lock Trouble: Our Citrix is
configured to disconnect the user session after a defined interval.
Despite pasting the Jaws shourtcut in Startup folder (as explained in
help documentation), many a times there is no speech on the Citrix
logon window, and at times even after loging on, the speech is
completely lost. The only inefficient way to deal with this is to
re-start Jaws on Citrix.

Further, many a times detecting whether caps lock is on or not,
becomes difficult on the Citrix login window even though you may have
switched off your caps lock on local machine which causes entry of
wrong password. At times, there is no sound to indicate a successful
logon. Any thoughts?

7. Switching to Local without disconnecting the session: I have had no
success in switching to local from Citrix session without loging off,
and even the Jaws hotkeys given in help documentation do not work
unless I am doing something blatantly wrong. Sighted users are able to
click on Home and are able to switch to local.

It is extremely important as at times we need to give remote sessions
and figuring out IP is not possible on Citrix as access to Run or C
drive is prevented due to security reasons.

8. NVDA Support For Citrix: I saw some ticket being opened for this,
but I have had no luck in finding a way out for this. I did read
somewhere that the audio of NVDA in such a case could be slow or is
actually slow (parden my memory).

9. Silverlight with Jaws / NVDA on Windows 7 or Higher: I have an app
designed in Silverlight, meant to keep time records and billing
details among others, 

Re: [AI] NVDA experts,please help

[Manish Agrawal]

The best bet for captchas so far is webvisum. It only works in firefox afaik. 
It does work for me most of the time.


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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 12:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [AI] NVDA experts,please help

can i get rid from capture challenge using this NVDA OCR functionality?

On 3/19/16, Ajay Sharma  wrote:
> Hi,
> I am not an expert but I was stuck in the similar situation some time
> ago, here is what you could do:
> 1.Activate OCR by pressing NVDA + R.
> 2.Take your system cursor to the region or object which is not accessible.
> 3.Press NVDA + Backspaceto take  your review cursor to the object.
> 4.Now read out the text with review cursor, by using keystrokes such
> as NVDA + up arrow, NVDA + down arrow etc.
>
> The golden cursor addon gives you the ability to move mouse cursor and
> perceive its coordinates in pixels. You can also save and jump to
> particular positions for different applications.
> For example, the cursor could be moved by pressing NVDA + Windows Key
> + left, right down or up keystrokes. Once you find the place of
> interest, you could save it by pressing NVDA + Shift + l and retrieve
> it by pressing NVDA + Ctrl + l keys.
> You can also move the mouse pointer to the system focus by pressing
> NVDA + Shift +m or move the system focus to the mouse pointer by
> pressing NVDA + Shift + n.
> Please note that above  mentioned keys are in laptop keyboard layout,
> respective desktop layout keys could be found in the reference guide
> you could either google it or it could also be found in NCVDA Menu >
> Help.  However keys related to Golden curser addon stays same for both
> layouts.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Thanks and may India win!
> Ajay
>
> On 3/16/16, Bhavya shah  wrote:
>> Hi Sunil Sir,
>> One thing that you might b unaware of is that both these add-ons come
>> with proper and comprehensive add-on documentation. To access that, go
>> to NVDA menu > Tools submenu > Manage Addons...
>> In the Add-ons Manager dialog that now appears, arrow to either of the
>> two add-ons, and Tab to the Add-on Help button.
>> Activating it will open an HTML file with all the information you need
>> to know to effectively use this add-on.
>> If this documentation still fails to answer certain queries of yours,
>> do let me know, and there are more resources or information I may be
>> able to share in pertinence to the same.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 3/16/16, Sunil Sangtani.  wrote:
>>> hi everyone,
>>> as am not a regular NVDA user and for the time being, i've to work
>>> with a site where use of mouse and OCR functionality is required.
>>> so someone can guide that how to use golden cursor and the OCR plugin
>>> in NVDA? or point me to the direct resource for this one?
>>> its a little urgent.
>>> thank you.
>>>  Managing Director|Blossoms Global|India|.
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Re: [AI] Fw: Disney•Pixar's New Technology for Blind People is Here

[Manish Agrawal]

This is great. Thanks for sharing.

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Vyas Gajendra
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 11:18 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Fw: Disney•Pixar's New Technology for Blind People is Here

Disney•Pixar's New Technology for Blind People is Herei think this is useful 
for us .
gajendra vyas 
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Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[Manish Agrawal]

I agree. Braille signage in public places is good.
Why do people believe it is a bad idea? And what is a better alternative?

Regards,
Manish


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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
sanjay
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:04 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
Mysuru, Varanasi

Blind organisations can think only from their perspective.  either 
government or true representatives of disability sector as a whole cannot 
have such a narrow perspective.  Whether you like it or not, for deaf-blind 
persons braille is the best option.  Those who think having braille symbols 
in public places is not a solution should do their homework again.  Any 
disability organisation which might have advocated braille in public places 
have done so, considering the needs of all disability categories.  Let there 
be braille and audio.  We soil our hands while reading braille symbols not 
because of braille but because of uncivilised behaviour of our people.


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From: "Tilakprasad Joshi" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled." 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
Mysuru,Varanasi


>I don't see any wrong by having Braille Signage and I feel Braille has
> to be there with other alternative, it is up to the person what he/she
> prefers, there is nothing wrong suggesting Braille as an option.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Tilak.
>
> On 1/27/16, George Abraham  wrote:
>> We all know who the Govt consults!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: 27 January 2016 21:11
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
>> Varanasi
>>
>> I had the pleasure of telling the railway Board Chairman that Braille was 
>> a
>> bad idea in compartments and on the train when I met him at the NCDEPD
>> meeting in December in Delhi. He turned around and told me that it had 
>> been
>> recommended by one of our groups and it had come as a suggestion from our
>> sector and that they would not have done it without consulting  with the
>> Visually Impaired.
>> So which Delhi based organisation wants to claim the credit for this
>> accessibility stunt?
>> Let someone have the guts to own up to this.
>> Kanchan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of George Abraham
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:25 PM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
>> Varanasi
>>
>> Brailee is very in books and on paper. In public spaces Braille is a very
>> bad idea.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of li...@srinivasu.org
>> Sent: 27 January 2016 19:22
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
>> Varanasi
>>
>> With due respect, I think this is not really helpful. Article does not 
>> talk
>> about any feature other than Braille signage.
>>
>> Does railways guarantee the cleanliness of train?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
>> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>
>>> On 27-Jan-2016, at 16:25, Monica Eyeway  wrote:
>>>
>>> The New Indian Express
>>>
>>> MYSURU: The visually challenged-friendly Mysuru railway station has now
>>> added one more feather in its cap.
>>>
>>> The country’s first visually challenged-friendly train runs between it 
>>> and
>>> Varanasi.
>>>
>>> The bi-weekly train in fitted with metal Braille signage to help the
>>> visually challenged locate coaches, seats, alarm chains, toilets and
>>> emergency windows.
>>>
>>> The Mysuru division of the South Western Railway wants to extend the
>>> facility to Mysuru-Talaguppa, Mysuru-Tirupati, Mysore -Mayilatuthurai
>>> Express trains before March end.
>>>
>>> Divisional Railway Manager Rajkumar Lal said the introduction of Braille
>>> signage in coaches is in line with his concern for the visually
>>> challenged.
>>>
>>> “I can see many of the visually challenged struggle and ask people for
>>> directions to ticket counters, platforms, railway coaches and seats”, he
>>> said. Lal said it took Rs 2 lakh and two months to get the train fitted
>>> with Braille signage by a Bengaluru-based company.
>>>

Re: [AI] Alternative to Web visum

[Manish Agrawal]

Hi Vishakha,
If this happens for all websites, maybe your webvisum add-on is corrupt or 
disabled.
I have run into this sometimes after a firefox update. 
Can you try removing and installing webvisum again?

If this happens for only this one website, then probably webvisum isn't able to 
pick the captcha at all and your best bet is to reach out to the Website owners 
about it.


I am assuming you are on the latest version of firefox. If not, try updating 
your browser and then re-installing webvisum.

-Manish

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Vishakha More
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:38 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Alternative to Web visum

Hi!

I mean to say that web visum commands do not yield any results. Earlier
sometimes the results were not matching; however, now there is no output
only. So no message is spoken by web visum and no text is copied/pasted.

Thus, I have to depend on somebody to read out the captia.

Thanks,

Vishakha.

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Manish Agrawal
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 9:44 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Alternative to Web visum

Hey Vishakha,
When you say web visum doesn't work or works intermittently, do you mean:
1. The text recognized by webvisum is incorrect.
2. Webvisum is not working and gives some error related to the service being
unavailable etc.

Which browser and what version are you using?

Regards,
Manish

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Amiyo Biswas
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 9:37 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Alternative to Web visum

The copy and paste commands do not work on the income tax login site. 
Otherwise webvisum works for me. I slow down Jaws speed to the minimum and
try to memorise the 6 characters of the verification code Jaws announces. 
Otherwise, I also use Jaws speech history to note the code.

I used it a few months back.

With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cel: 9433464329
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From: "Vishakha More" <vishakha.m...@gmail.com>
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerningthe disabled.'" <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:46 PM
Subject: [AI] Alternative to Web visum


> Dear friends!!
>
> I am looking for an alternative to Web visum to solve captia on the 
> website of Income Tax Department. Earlier, web visum used to work 
> intermittently, however off late it is not working at all..
>
> Any suggestions??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vishakha.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] Alternative to Web visum

[Manish Agrawal]

Hey Vishakha,
When you say web visum doesn't work or works intermittently, do you mean:
1. The text recognized by webvisum is incorrect.
2. Webvisum is not working and gives some error related to the service being 
unavailable etc.

Which browser and what version are you using?

Regards,
Manish

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Amiyo Biswas
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 9:37 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Alternative to Web visum

The copy and paste commands do not work on the income tax login site. 
Otherwise webvisum works for me. I slow down Jaws speed to the minimum and 
try to memorise the 6 characters of the verification code Jaws announces. 
Otherwise, I also use Jaws speech history to note the code.

I used it a few months back.

With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cel: 9433464329
- Original Message - 
From: "Vishakha More" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.'" 
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:46 PM
Subject: [AI] Alternative to Web visum


> Dear friends!!
>
> I am looking for an alternative to Web visum to solve captia on the 
> website
> of Income Tax Department. Earlier, web visum used to work intermittently,
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Re: [AI] New features added by NVDA India team for NVDA 2015.4

[Manish Agrawal]

s follows:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Support of protected excel sheets: in a protected sheet if a cell
>>>> selection
>>>>> is disabled, NVDA was not able to read the content in that cell.
>>>>> NVDA
>>>> users
>>>>> can now navigate to those cells using browse mode. During the
>>>>> browse mode, NVDA would also announce whether a cell is unlocked so
>>>>> that users can
>>>> press
>>>>> enter to move the focus to that cell.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Listing and renaming of Microsoft Excel sheets: while working with
>>>>> large number of sheets, users often need a way to list all the
>>>>> sheets. So we
>>>> have
>>>>> added an option to list sheets in elements list dialog. Users can
>>>>> also change the name of sheets in this list with f2 command. This
>>>>> command is added because NVDA was not working in the rename sheets
>>>>> dialog of excel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Reporting input messages or tooltips in Microsoft Excel: NVDA now
>>>>> reads special messages added in Excel cells known as input
>>>>> messages. These messages help users to fill proper values for excel
>>>>> forms.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For details checkout the announcement for 2015.4 at
>>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/post/announcing-nvda-2015-4-release/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also note, if it is the e-speak voice that is holding you back from
>>>>> exploring NVDA, then you can acquire license for Eloquence, Lekha
>>>>> and Sangita voices from Saksham.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Acknowledgement:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NVDA India work is supported by Hans Foundation, The Centre for
>>>>> Internet & Society, Sapient consulting Limited, Enable India,
>>>>> Saksham Trust, and IIT Delhi.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Key contributors are: Michael Curren and James Teh from NV Access;
>>>>> Manish Agrawal and Dinesh Kaushal from Sapient; Dipendra Menocha
>>>>> and Suman Dogra from Saksham; Prof Balakrishnan, Siddhartha Gupta
>>>>> and Manshul Belani from Indian institute of Technology Delhi;
>>>>> Nirmita Narasimhan from The Centre for Internet & Society; Mohith
>>>>> from Enable India; and Vardhan Verma an independent software
>>>>> developer from Hyderabad.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [AI] Is it worth switching to Mac from Windows as a visually impaired user?

[Manish Agrawal]

I tried this out with an iphone and a Bluetooth keyboard and find it to be 
extremely tedious. The keyboard support for voice over on the ipad is 
completely counter-intuitive.
As an example, to hit "enter" on a button, instead of hitting enter, you need 
to press the up and down arrow keys together. This simulates a double click. 
The IPad doesn't inherently understand a keyboard and the "enter" key.
This is just an example. There are several others related to edit mode vs. 
quick nav mode, the screen locking out when you are trying to read a document 
etc.

All in all, I don't believe the ipad with a Bluetooth combination replaces a 
laptop - not even partially.

-Manish



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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Aaruni Sharma
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 10:21 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Is it worth switching to Mac from Windows as a visually 
impaired user?

Hi Manish, do you think using an iPad with a Bluetooth keyboard would give
all the advantages of a mac obviously minus the ability to access pendrives
and portable storage devices? Can the office applications like pages be
used effectively?

On 20 October 2015 at 04:37, Manish Agrawal <manis...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I use a mac book with voice over and also run windows 7 with jaws and NVDA
> using parallels on the same machine.
> At this point in time, the windows screen readers are significantly easier
> to use and more versatile as compared to voice over IMHO.
>
> I am a software engineer and use both windows and mac heavily for
> browsing, mail, presentations, excel, and software development. Your needs
> may be different and you may find one or the other better for personal
> preference.
>
> Keep in mind that there is a relatively steep learning curve for voice
> over when you switch from windows to mac, so, you may find it a bit extra
> difficult to begin with.
>
> Having said this, voice over is much better suited for touch screen
> devices like an ipad. So, if you plan to buy a touch pc like the surface
> pro for any reason, a mac will be a better option.
>
> Regards,
> Manish
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of Rishi Kewalramani
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:47 PM
> To: accessindia
> Subject: [AI] Is it worth switching to Mac from Windows as a visually
> impaired user?
>
> Hi all,
> My computer and jaws version is too old and needs to be replaced. I've
> been a windows with jaws user up till now.
> I was wondering is it worth switching over to the  Mac n tosh OS with
> voice over.
> Is anybody using the Mac book or iMac on this list?
> Could you please share your experience from the accessibility  point of
> view.
> Is it worth making the switch taking into consideration the stability of
> Mac computers and that the screen reader comes right out of the box unlike
> Jaws that has to be purchased separately?
>
> Please help me to make an informed decision,
> Appreciate all your valuable inputs,
> Many thanks in advance,
> Kind regards,
> Rishi.
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Re: [AI] Is it worth switching to Mac from Windows as a visually impaired user?

[Manish Agrawal]

I use a mac book with voice over and also run windows 7 with jaws and NVDA 
using parallels on the same machine.
At this point in time, the windows screen readers are significantly easier to 
use and more versatile as compared to voice over IMHO. 

I am a software engineer and use both windows and mac heavily for browsing, 
mail, presentations, excel, and software development. Your needs may be 
different and you may find one or the other better for personal preference.

Keep in mind that there is a relatively steep learning curve for voice over 
when you switch from windows to mac, so, you may find it a bit extra difficult 
to begin with.

Having said this, voice over is much better suited for touch screen devices 
like an ipad. So, if you plan to buy a touch pc like the surface pro for any 
reason, a mac will be a better option.

Regards,
Manish

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Rishi Kewalramani
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:47 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Is it worth switching to Mac from Windows as a visually impaired 
user?

Hi all,
My computer and jaws version is too old and needs to be replaced. I've been a 
windows with jaws user up till now.
I was wondering is it worth switching over to the  Mac n tosh OS with voice 
over.
Is anybody using the Mac book or iMac on this list?
Could you please share your experience from the accessibility  point of view.
Is it worth making the switch taking into consideration the stability of Mac 
computers and that the screen reader comes right out of the box unlike Jaws 
that has to be purchased separately?

Please help me to make an informed decision,
Appreciate all your valuable inputs,
Many thanks in advance,
Kind regards,
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Re: [AI] Learning Visual Basic with Jaws

[Manish Agrawal]

Yes.

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Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 11:49 AM
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Subject: [AI] Learning Visual Basic with Jaws

Dear friends,

A student has VB in his course.  Is it accessible with Jaws?


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Re: [AI] [Bulk] Help: How to open E-Pub file extention?

[Manish Agrawal]

You can also use adobe digital editions. It is accessible but I haven't used it 
much, so, cannot comment on how it compares to other epub readers out there.

-Manish

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Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 3:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Help: How to open E-Pub file extention?

use Stanza

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Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:59 PM
Subject: [Bulk] [AI] Help: How to open E-Pub file extention?


 Friends

 I've been sent a book to review but I don't know how to open the file
 which is in EPub format. please guide me how to open the file.
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Re: [AI] [VV] Regarding Bloomberg.

[Manish Agrawal]

The Bloomberg terminal's contents are accessible with the jaws cursor. I 
sometimes need to login but don't really have to use the terminal commands or 
read the output much.
I am guessing that you will need to create jaws frames to monitor for changes 
that are read out to you whenever anything changes.

With NVDA, someone will need to try to use the display model to get something 
useful from the screen.

In a nutshell, the Bloomberg terminal isn't very accessible out of the box. You 
will need to look for jaws scripts or nvda add-ons, if any exist for this 
application.

-Manish

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Ajay
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 9:05 AM
To: l...@voicevision.in
Cc: accessindia
Subject: Re: [AI] [VV] Regarding Bloomberg.

Hi,
Thanks for reverting back. I have to use the terminal also. Any views on that 
are awaited.
Thanks,
Ajay

On 26 July 2015 3:20:57 am IST, Rajiv Shah rms...@starpower.net wrote:
Hi Ajay,By Bloomberg, I assume you mean the Web site and not the 
terminal? If so, the site is not bad. I utilize it for reading business 
news on a regular basis. For the media-streaming portion, the Flash 
buttons are not labeled, but if you are using a screen reader, it is 
fairly logical to obtain what each button does based on the context.
For example, the TV streams are for US, Europe and Asian streams. The 
first button corresponds to the US stream, the 2nd to Europe and the 
3rd for Asia.I hope this helps.Regards,Rajiv-
From: Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com
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Sent: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:41:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [VV] Regarding Bloomberg.

Hi friends,
My job includes using Bloomberg on almost regular bases.
Any comments on accessibility are awaited.
Since one user has told me that it isn't accessible.


Thanks,
Ajay

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Re: [AI] Washington Post: At some museums, blind visitors can touch the art

[Manish Agrawal]

I visited Some art museums in florance, Italy and had a similar experience. I 
was able to wear gloves and touch most of the sculptures. They had 
interestingly created several famous paintings in relief on plaster of paris 
tablets that they said were very close replicas and that I could touch and get 
a sense of the original art work. It was a truly fascinating experience.

-Manish


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Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 9:07 AM
To: accessindia
Cc: rajesh kumar
Subject: [AI] Washington Post: At some museums, blind visitors can touch the art

The list of the museums given in the article is very handy.
Moreover,interestingly they are celebrating 25 years of ADA this month and we 
will be celebrating 20 years of the PWD Act in the upcoming December. And they 
got azadi in 1976 and we got in 1947? so who is more progressive? Anyway just a 
funny analogy hmm?
Read this amazing post: and those who are working with the National museum for 
making it accessible do share with the concerned officials.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/museums/at-some-museums-blind-visitors-can-touch-the-art/2015/07/09/df4a5bba-fd6d-11e4-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html
Pasting only URL intentially no text please.



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Re: [AI] About Wireless Earphone.

[Manish Agrawal]

Lots of good questions there. I'll try to answer best as I can:
q. You mention, it placed in front of the ear. Could not picture it allright. 
Meaning, is it kept over the ear? Then, how does it become bone conduction 
then? Can you please elaborate this technology in depth?
Ans: The speakers (or transjuicers as they are called) are placed on the cheek 
bone in front of the ear and not on the ear. You can picture it like wearing 
spectacles backwards on your head so, the arms will protrude in front of your 
ear instead of behind. 
There may be other models from other manufacturers that go behind the ear like 
regular spectacles, but I am not aware of such a product. The google glasses 
used to have bone conduction headphones built in that went behind the ear like 
regular spectacles.


q. Is the audio quality rich like a normal headphone?
Ans: The audio quality is pretty good. But since the ears are not covered and 
this doesn't block ambient noise, you cannot compare it to something used for 
music listening.

q. I fine it very tiring and uncomfortable using any headphone to listen over 
an hour. I suppose, such fatigue may not happen in these type of headphone?
Ans: I still experience fatigue with these headphones. Although I can listen to 
these for longer than the regular headphones, but the fatigues is still present.

q. In this list, I know of some members who are having failing vision and who 
are also having problems with their hearing. Would such headphones help them 
especially reduce strain on their ear drums?
Ans: These headphones bypass the ear drums altogether and use the cheekbone for 
transmitting the sound. So, yes these reduce the strain on ear drums. If the 
failing hearing is because of problems in the middle or inner ear though, then 
it is the same as regular headphones. Doctors recommend these for people with 
problems in ear drums.

 q. Can it be camoflaged, especially for those who would not like to reveal 
their hearing problems to the world?
Ans: If anything, these are more visible since people are not used to seeing 
something sitting on your cheeks instead of the ears.


q. Are there any shortcommings to these types of headphones that you are aware 
of and any thing that one should be aware of before opting for it?
Ans: The sound leakage is higher than regular headphones in these. As in a 
person sitting next to you is able to hear more of the sound output from these 
headphones than with regular headsets.


q. In what price range bone conduction headphones are available?
Ans: The bluez2 were $100 when I bought them - are now about $80.


Regards,
Manish
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
harish
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 3:09 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] About Wireless Earphone.

Hi Manish
I have read about the bone conduction headphones, however, never experienced it 
first hand.
You mention, it placed in front of the ear. Could not picture it allright. 
Meaning, is it kept over the ear? Then, how does it become bone conduction 
then? Can you please elaborate this technology in depth?

Is the audio quality rich like a normal headphone?
I fine it very tiring and uncomfortable using any headphone to listen over an 
hour. I suppose, such fatigue may not happen in these type of headphone?
In this list, I know of some members who are having failing vision and who are 
also having problems with their hearing. Would such headphones help them 
especially reduce strain on their ear drums?
 Can it be camoflaged, especially for those who would not like to reveal their 
hearing problems to the world?

Are there any shortcommings to these types of headphones that you are aware of 
and any thing that one should be aware of before opting for it?

In what price range bone conduction headphones are available?
Harish.

- Original Message -
From: Manish Agrawal manis...@gmail.com
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe 
disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] About Wireless Earphone.


I use the blues2 from aftershocks. These are bone conducting and so, 
sit in front of the ear and so, both your ears will be free and not just one.

 These are chordless and accessible for setting up and so on. If you 
 use the blindsquare app on the IPhone, these have a nice integration 
 with the app so you can operate the app entirely using the headset 
 buttons instead of the phone.

 -Manish

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
 Behalf Of Amiyo Biswas
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:57 AM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] About Wireless Earphone.

 Hello,

 My laptop does hardly have any sound. I always have to use an earphone 
 or speaker. I want to use a wireless

Re: [AI] regarding screen readers for Mac book:

[Manish Agrawal]

Voice over is built into the mac os. You can activate it by using command + f5 
from anywhere. There is a steep learning curve to the screen reader and you 
will be better off going through the tutorial that is launched when voice over 
is started for the first time or by using command + h.

IMHO, voice over on the mac isn't as good or easy to use as NVDA or jaws on 
windows. It seems to be a screen reader created for touch screen devices that 
has been also provided on a regular computer. Since the world seems to be 
moving to all touch screen devices anyway, it may come out to be a better 
product in the long run though.

-Manish

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
srinivas bangalore_11
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 11:44 AM
To: accessindia
Cc: sayeverything
Subject: [AI] regarding screen readers for Mac book:

Hi friends,

Kindly tell me are there any screen reader softwares for mac book like how we 
have in windows as jaws and nvda.

And procedures to install and download.

Waiting for your response asap,

With best regards,
Srinivas MVLES.



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Re: [AI] About Wireless Earphone.

[Manish Agrawal]

I use the blues2 from aftershocks. These are bone conducting and so, sit in 
front of the ear and so, both your ears will be free and not just one.

These are chordless and accessible for setting up and so on. If you use the 
blindsquare app on the IPhone, these have a nice integration with the app so 
you can operate the app entirely using the headset buttons instead of the phone.

-Manish

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Amiyo Biswas
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:57 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] About Wireless Earphone.

Hello,

My laptop does hardly have any sound. I always have to use an earphone or 
speaker. I want to use a wireless earphone. I need something which I can use 
for one ear only. I want to keep my other ear free. The models I have seen are 
with headbands and cover both ears. I want something with option for one or for 
both ears. Is there any such model? Remember, it must also be wireless.

With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
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Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

[Manish Agrawal]

I understand now. 
I am not sure if this is implemented. You can request for this feature at:
http://community.nvda-project.org/

by opening a new ticket. You need a setting similar to 
nvda|preferences|browse|Say all when page loads that is currently implemented 
for web pages.

Regards,
Manish


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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Parakh Rajesh
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 9:25 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

hai manish, i want nvda to start reading the mail from start to end once i 
press enter to open the mail. now what is happening is that when i open the 
mail it reads the first line for eg. hai rajesh and stops. then i press 
insert down arrow for it to read the full mail. it also reads that perticular 
line when up arrow or down arrow is pressed. hope i have made you understand.
regards,
rajesh
- Original Message -
From: Manish Agrawal manis...@gmail.com
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe 
disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.


 Dear Rajesh,
 So, what happens if you press just down arrow or up arrow. Does 
 nvda not read the next or previous line in the mail? Is the only way 
 to read the entire mail to press NVDA+ down arrow?
 Or you want that NVDA should automatically do a read all when you 
 reach the body of the message?

 I am trying to understand the problem before I can suggest a solution. 
 I definitely do not face problems reading mails in outlook with NVDA 
 and I need to deal with hundreds of mails everyday.

 -Manish
 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
 Behalf Of Parakh Rajesh
 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:46 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and 
 issuesconcerning the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

 hai manish, it happens all the time with all the mails. how do we 
 maximize the mail window. i havent tried it.
 regards,
 rajesh
 - Original Message -
 From: Manish Agrawal manis...@gmail.com
 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
 concerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 3:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.


 Does this happen all the time with all mails or some times with 
 certain specific kind of mails?
 Does restarting nvda help?
 Does opening the mail message again help?
 Does maximizing the message window help?

 I have also seen this problem occur some time but don't have a 
 specific set of steps to replicate this.
 In any case, a better place for this discussion is the NVDA users 
 list or the nvda dev list, where you will get more concrete and 
 useful suggestions.
 If you do have a specific set of steps that can replicate this 
 problem, do send them across.

 -Manish

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
 Behalf Of Parakh Rajesh
 Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:54 AM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

 Dear nvda geeks as the subject line says nvda is not reading the full 
 mail when i open the mail. instead it just reads the first line like 
 hai friends, then i have to press insert down arrow for nvda to read 
 the full mail. i am not able to figure out the solution. i am using 
 nvda 2015.1.
 thanks and regards,
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Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

[Manish Agrawal]

Dear Rajesh,
So, what happens if you press just down arrow or up arrow. Does nvda not 
read the next or previous line in the mail? Is the only way to read the entire 
mail to press NVDA+ down arrow?
Or you want that NVDA should automatically do a read all when you reach the 
body of the message?

I am trying to understand the problem before I can suggest a solution. I 
definitely do not face problems reading mails in outlook with NVDA and I need 
to deal with hundreds of mails everyday.

-Manish
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Parakh Rajesh
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:46 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

hai manish, it happens all the time with all the mails. how do we maximize the 
mail window. i havent tried it.
regards,
rajesh
- Original Message -
From: Manish Agrawal manis...@gmail.com
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe 
disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.


 Does this happen all the time with all mails or some times with 
 certain specific kind of mails?
 Does restarting nvda help?
 Does opening the mail message again help?
 Does maximizing the message window help?

 I have also seen this problem occur some time but don't have a 
 specific set of steps to replicate this.
 In any case, a better place for this discussion is the NVDA users list 
 or the nvda dev list, where you will get more concrete and useful 
 suggestions.
 If you do have a specific set of steps that can replicate this 
 problem, do send them across.

 -Manish

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
 Behalf Of Parakh Rajesh
 Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:54 AM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

 Dear nvda geeks as the subject line says nvda is not reading the full 
 mail when i open the mail. instead it just reads the first line like 
 hai friends, then i have to press insert down arrow for nvda to read 
 the full mail. i am not able to figure out the solution. i am using nvda 
 2015.1.
 thanks and regards,
 rajesh parakh.


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Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

[Manish Agrawal]

I use outlook all the time. What is the problem you are running into?


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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
George Abraham
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:39 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

Bhavya,

What is your experience of using MS Outlook as a Email client? Do you know 
enough to do some trouble shooting for me?

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Bhavya shah
Sent: 06 May 2015 22:37
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

Hi,
Rajesh Sir,
From your e-mail address, you seem to be using GMail as your e-mail service 
provider, indicating that I may be able to help.
Are you using any e-mail client like Microsoft Outlook or Mozilla Thunderbird?
Are you using the webmail interface of GMail on which web browser?
Are you using Basic HTML or Standard View?
Personally, I use the webmail interface on Mozilla Firefox with Basic HTML as 
my default view.
If you have a similar e-mailing environment, I may be able to help on provision 
of further exact problem reproduction steps.
Thanks.

On 5/6/15, Parakh Rajesh rajeshparak...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear nvda geeks as the subject line says nvda is not reading the full
mail
 when i open the mail. instead it just reads the first line like hai
friends,
 then i have to press insert down arrow for nvda to read the full mail. 
 i
am
 not able to figure out the solution. i am using nvda 2015.1.
 thanks and regards,
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Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please 
visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second 
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Re: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

[Manish Agrawal]

Does this happen all the time with all mails or some times with certain 
specific kind of mails?
Does restarting nvda help?
Does opening the mail message again help?
Does maximizing the message window help?

I have also seen this problem occur some time but don't have a specific set of 
steps to replicate this. 
In any case, a better place for this discussion is the NVDA users list or the 
nvda dev list, where you will get more concrete and useful suggestions.
If you do have a specific set of steps that can replicate this problem, do send 
them across.

-Manish

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Parakh Rajesh
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:54 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] nvda not reading the full mail.

Dear nvda geeks as the subject line says nvda is not reading the full mail when 
i open the mail. instead it just reads the first line like hai friends, then i 
have to press insert down arrow for nvda to read the full mail. i am not able 
to figure out the solution. i am using nvda 2015.1.
thanks and regards,
rajesh parakh.


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Re: [AI] Python programming

[Manish Agrawal]

I found eclipse with the py-dev extension to be really good. I use it all the 
time. 

If you have experience using visual studio, then that is also a fairly 
accessible python dev environment.

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Subject: Re: [AI] Python programming

For screen reader users, notepad plus plus is the best!

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 What is the best programming environment for the Python programming 
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Re: [AI] Excel reading problem with jaws

[Manish Agrawal]

Nvda will say cell if you have read table coordinates turned off in the 
document reading preferences. If you turn this option on, NVDA will also 
announce the cell coordinates like jaws does.

This is a more powerful feature since some users need to turn off cell 
coordinate reading for certain types of content.

-Manish


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Hi,
snip Wish NVDA was as smooth as jaws in reading cell denominations than just 
announcing 'cell' 'cell'.
PL] Could you elaborate? I am able to read cells without any difficulty in 
Excel using NVDA. 

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Re: [AI] 2 Better Than 1? Being A Scribe For A Visually Impaired - Akanksha Mittal.

[Manish Agrawal]

While I think the initiative to train more and more students to be independent 
using computers is a good one, I don't think we can completely eliminate 
scribes.
There are multiple disabilities not just blindness and there will always be 
students with different abilities and skill with the use of computers.

We'll also need other initiatives to improve the examination system all the way 
from giving some moral values to the students about what is wrong with cheating 
to making it harder to cheat with better invigilation, stronger penalties etc.

When I took my exams as a blind student, my invigilator assumed that my scribe 
will basically take the exam for me and even encouraged it. Fixing this problem 
by training invigilators to deal with this correctly will also go a long way.

-Manish







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Subject: Re: [AI] 2 Better Than 1? Being A Scribe For A Visually Impaired - 
Akanksha Mittal.

Dependence upon scribes and misuse of scribes is indeed a real problem. 
At NAB Delhi we have started a project titled technology aided education of 
the blind to make students independent in reading and writing thereby 
eliminating the dependence upon scribes.
Under this project, our students of class 6 and above will get personal laptops 
and students of class 3 to 5 will get computer training.
The target is to make sure all blind studetns of classe 6 and above are able to 
read the computer to read books and write their exams. 
I hope in the years to come, our students will write their exams themselves.



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George Abraham
Sent: 17 March 2015 07:42
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Subject: Re: [AI] 2 Better Than 1? Being A Scribe For A Visually Impaired - 
Akanksha Mittal.

Systems of examinations should change  so that our dependency on other people 
like scribes would be reduced. For new systems to work our primary/secondary 
education also has to evolve to being more technology based. VIs not being tech 
competent cannot be a reason to not use online processes. VIs have to empower 
themselves. That is a challenge. In the transition period, there would be a 
number of people who will find the computer/online processes tough. We need to 
focus on empowerment. 

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Vamshi. G
Sent: 16 March 2015 19:54
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Subject: Re: [AI] 2 Better Than 1? Being A Scribe For A Visually Impaired - 
Akanksha Mittal.

The problem with examinations on computers is the lack of knowledge of the same 
for many visually challenged.  I myself was not aware of screen readers till my 
25th year.




On 3/16/15, Kartik Sawhney sawhney.kar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Completely agreed

 On 3/15/15, bala9119 bala9...@gmail.com wrote:
 They say experience is the best teacher. And two experiences then are 
 better teachers, I guess. So here are two such experiences that gave 
 me two entirely different perspectives, yet zeroing down to perhaps 
 just one conclusion. The Staff Selection Commission conducts 
 examinations for graduates and post graduates for various government 
 posts, apart from UPSC and DSSSB. Examinations for the posts that can 
 be taken up by Visually Impaired Students have the provision of 
 Scribes to make the examination smooth and accessible to the students.
 Keeping aside the whole debatable concept of posts that can be taken 
 up by the Visually Impaired, here I am going to discuss two such 
 instances when I became a Scribe for a few Visually Impaired persons 
 appearing for the SSC Examinations.



 During my first attempt at writing the paper for a visually impaired 
 person, I went through three hours of emotional blackmailing by the 
 candidate trying to cajole me into filling up the answers for him 
 through my knowledge. I was caught in an ugly position where in the 
 name of philanthropy I was actually cheating with the consent of the 
 system! There are mathematical questions that a student with visual 
 impairment has to answer which perhaps cannot be solved without using 
 aids such as an Abacus or a Calculator. Having been accustomed to 
 using the Abacus, two of the candidates I wrote the exam for found it 
 difficult to calculate on their fingertips.

 Further, repeating the questions thrice and asking them to repeat 
 their choice of answers umpteen times leads to wasteful use of time.
 In that sense, even the provision of extra time of 20-40 minutes for 
 the visually impaired students is sometimes not enough and 

Re: [AI] Fwd: JAWS 16 Released

[Manish Agrawal]

I just felt the feature list in the new release doesn't warrant a full version 
release forcing users to buy another SMA for over $260.

The SMA feels more like a subscription fees regardless of any new features or 
improvements introduced.

-Manish

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Re: [AI] Need guidance in choosing between I phone 4s and I phone 5

[Manish Agrawal]

It is better to buy at least the iphone 5, if not 5s. 
There is not much difference in features but the processor on the 5 is better 
and faster on the newer models. For the newer IOS to function, you need a 
faster processor. If you install the latest version of IOS on the iphone 4s, 
there is significant lag in everything you do and it isn't really usable with 
voice over.
You can stay on an older version of IOS, but that is a difficult choice with 
all the newer apps not being installable on that.

-Manish

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Jairam Balasubramanian
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 1:32 AM
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Subject: [AI] Need guidance in choosing between I phone 4s and I phone 5

Hello friends

As we all know, the prices of older models of I phone is falling drastically as 
the new phone is about to be launched.
There are two choices of phones I have in I Phone 4S and 5.
I have to choose between the two.
I request you to please enable me in this regard.
What are the significant differences between 4S and 5.
Does Apple have a policy that many of the newer features would only be 
available in the models after 4s?
If that be the case, the newer apps and feattures will not be available in 4S.
Again, don't know if there was significant difference in 5 and 5s/5C.

Thanks and regards
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Re: [AI] Suggestions for purchasing rugged, durable and noise canceling in-earphone

[Manish Agrawal]

Senheiser is good.
I can also recommend a bone-conduction headphones called bluez2 from 
aftershocks. These are wireless (Bluetooth) and are not noise cancelling since 
they do not cover your ears at all but instead sit just in front of the ear on 
your cheek bone. I find these useful because unlike regular headphones, these 
do not cut me out of the rest of the world.
These are for $99 or about rs. 6000, so almost in your budget.

They however, do not meet your requirement of noise cancellation. These also 
don't go into a 3.5 mm jack since these are wireless and use bluetooth.

These were launched very recently and I am not sure if you will find them in 
India easily. I have been using these for infrequent use for the last 2 weeks 
or so and find them very good.

-Manish

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Mohib Anwar Rafel
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 1:10 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Suggestions for purchasing rugged, durable and noise canceling 
in-earphone

Hey listers, since we are screenreader users, be it jaws in PC or talks in 
mobiles. Most of the time we use earphone/headphone. In my view, in order to 
save our ears from harmful effect of noise, and saving the listening capacity 
from shifting the threshold, its important to use quality earphone. I am in 
search of such good quality earphone which could give me best protection 
against ill effects of regular use of screenreaders/music. I searched over 
internet but confused. My other consideration for selection of a pair of 
headphone are; durability as it could work at least for one year or so under 
normal handeling. Secondly, its ruggedness, as the quality should be strong, 
thirdly, noise cancelling capacity, fourthly, portability and light weight as 
could be carried in my pocket.
Senheiser, Sound Magic, Philips, Klipsch and Sony earphones are under my wish 
list. Which brand you guys suggest?
Earlier I have used  Philips, Sculkandy, UltimateEars and Creative brands. But 
I am not satisfied with either of them, except SoundMagic.
I am looking earphone which could work in my laptop and mobile with 3.5mm audio 
jack and yes with no microphone. If I find good earphone with in budget of 4 - 
5 thousands, I will be more than happy.

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Re: [AI] Audio Labellers

[Manish Agrawal]

NFC stands for near field communication. It is a subset of the RFID (radio 
frequency identification) set of technologies.

Most new android phones are coming with NFC support. You'll need to look at the 
specs of the phone to determine if it supports NFC or not. It is usually very 
clearly mentioned.
The NFC antenna is located at the back of the phone and so, you basically touch 
the back of your phone to an NFC sticker to activate the functionality.

If I mention phone once more in this mail, someone will ask me to move to the 
mobile list. So, will suggest that you read the link I sent in the earlier post 
and google for NFC stickers to learn more.

-Manish

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Bhavya shah
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 6:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [AI] Audio Labellers

Hi.
Very interesting information.
How to determine whether a phone supports NFC or not? Is there any list 
containing all the phones that can support nfc stickers.
What is the full form of NFC?
I would appreciate any assistance.

On 5/19/14, Manish Agrawal manis...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you use a NFC capable android phone, like the nexus 4 or 5, you can 
 also get the same functionality as that provided by tools like the 
 ones you have mentioned here on your phone.
 The benefit of using an android app is that you do not need to buy a 
 separate device, remember to keep its battery charged or carry it 
 around, can buy off the shelf NFC stickers instead of the proprietary 
 stickers used by these devices and easily copy and share your audio 
 labels across devices.

 You can read more about this at:

 http://iaccessible.net/audiolabeller/

 Regards,
 Manish


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 Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:22 PM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
 concerning the disabled.; keyboardusers
 Subject: [AI] Audio Labellers

 Dear all.
 I just discovered the penfriend audio labeller and touch memo while 
 surfing the web.
 Can you all share reviews/experiences with audio labellers, penfriend 
 in particular?
 Also, do you all have any innovative ideas I [I am a twelve year old 
 studying in 7th standard in an inclusive school with a laptop as a 
 means of taking notes] could use an audio labeller for?
 I would appreciate any assistance.
 P.S. I am soon visiting RNIB so do you all have any suggestions for 
 me, any particular thing I should check out in RNIB?
 --
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Re: [AI] Audio Labellers

[Manish Agrawal]

If you use a NFC capable android phone, like the nexus 4 or 5, you can also get 
the same functionality as that provided by tools like the ones you have 
mentioned here on your phone.
The benefit of using an android app is that you do not need to buy a separate 
device, remember to keep its battery charged or carry it around, can buy off 
the shelf NFC stickers instead of the proprietary stickers used by these 
devices and easily copy and share your audio labels across devices.

You can read more about this at:

http://iaccessible.net/audiolabeller/

Regards,
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Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:22 PM
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disabled.; keyboardusers
Subject: [AI] Audio Labellers

Dear all.
I just discovered the penfriend audio labeller and touch memo while
surfing the web.
Can you all share reviews/experiences with audio labellers, penfriend
in particular?
Also, do you all have any innovative ideas I [I am a twelve year old
studying in 7th standard in an inclusive school with a laptop as a
means of taking notes] could use an audio labeller for?
I would appreciate any assistance.
P.S. I am soon visiting RNIB so do you all have any suggestions for
me, any particular thing I should check out in RNIB?
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Re: [AI] Guitar notes and tutorials

[Manish Agrawal]

Google for Lunar tabs. It is a screen reader friendly guitar learning program.

-Manish 

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Hi friends, i am subhash chougule. Since long time i wish to learn guitar basic 
and advance. Please kindly assist me from where i may download the guitar 
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Re: [AI] additional subject in class 5th

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Japanese is supported in speech with NVDA for sure. Also, given that there are 
Japanese refreshable braille display manufacturers out there, I guess braille 
Japanese is also supported.

-Manish

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Subject: [AI] additional subject in class 5th


Hi all
Thanks for all your valuable inputs what about Japanese language in fact my son 
is fond of that language will Braille and speech support that thanks Anjina 
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Anjina,
 
 I would vote for French too. There is both speech and Braille support 
 for that language.
 
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Re: [AI] Mobile phone

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Interacting with an IVR is fairly hard on android. The primary problems I faced 
in doing this before I moved from a google nexus to the IPhone were:
1. The option to turn on loud speaker is clumsy and time consuming - most IVRs 
time out by the time you get the speaker working.
2. The android accessibility platform is not responsive enough to allow quick 
identification of keypad numbers. This becomes even worse if you use a third 
party TTS like the ivona voices instead of the built in google TTS.

With the IPhone, IVRs are extremely easy to use because the above two problems 
have been solved.
The IPhone is prohibitively expensive though. So, if you can afford only an 
android phone, you should try to get a phone with a good processor, not use 
third party voices and keep a minimum of background services running to 
conserve processing power.

Also, if you try to use an IPhone 4 with the latest IOS 7 update, you run into 
the same problem as android because the iphone 4 processor is not fast enough 
for the new OS. So, if you are using or buying an IPhone 4, do not upgrade to 
IOS 7.
  

Hope that helps.

-Manish
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bhawani shankar verma
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 1:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [AI] Mobile phone

how to use IVRS on android tuch phones? most of the time it is difficult to 
interact with ivrs.


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To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
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Subject: Re: [AI] Mobile phone

Hi Anjina,

You do not get phones with key pads any more. Touch screens are certainly
usable. If you need to use tactile keys, then go for an external keyboard.
Alternatively, look at http://www.speeddots.com. These are for iDevices but
you may be able to make something similar for the phone you purchase. Be
warned, this is a non-trivial task.

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Re: [AI] Moderator: Re: Mobile phone

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I responded to the thread without realizing it was on the wrong list. Will be 
careful in the future.


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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
harish
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 11:43 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the 
disabled.
Subject: [AI] Moderator: Re: Mobile phone

All
Please note, we have a dedicated list to discuss issues related to mobile 
phones. Registration is in the footer of every AI mails.
You can share your tips, concerns there. Please do not do so here.
Regards
Harish Kotian

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From: Kasia kasiaka...@gmail.com
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concerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Mobile phone


I think fleksy happy typing is also there for android phones? I'm using 
I-Phone and I'm happy with the performance of fleksy VO.

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
 Behalf Of Sunil Sangtani.
 Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 10:08 AM
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 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] Mobile phone

 just to add,  go for at least  any phone that has  4.3 or above in case of 
 androide.  and in case of apple, go for at least with iPhone 4s.
 certenly,  external keyboard can be use,  but  it is always the best thing 
 to rely to actual things rather  then alternatives.

 On 2/28/14, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Anjina,

 You do not get phones with key pads any more. Touch screens are
 certainly usable. If you need to use tactile keys, then go for an 
 external keyboard.
 Alternatively, look at http://www.speeddots.com. These are for
 iDevices but you may be able to make something similar for the phone
 you purchase. Be warned, this is a non-trivial task.

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Re: [AI] American Express Card users with thumb impression anyone?

[Manish Agrawal]

I have used amex as a corporate card in India and haven't had any such problem. 
I never told them I am blind.
They've probably never had a customer using a thumb impression earlier and so, 
it is likely they don't really have any process laid out for this.

One option can be that you just fill up another application with a signature? 
They won't ask to match it with anything else.

Regards,
Manish

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Amar Jain
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:39 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] American Express Card users with thumb impression anyone?

Hi Mam,

Thanks for the response; as a matter of practice I am still using thumb 
impression till I do not obtain comfort and a predictable result with my 
signature, which I am still practicing. And that is where the problem is coming 
from.

Previously they sighted legal issues, which I could easily take care of due to 
the circulars and legal provisions of laws, but now here is another angle of 
Risk Management. Due to the absense of biometric devices, they are not happy to 
process it sighting this angle.

I have spoken with RBI (Department of Banking Operations and
Development) which issued the circular, and their view is that absense of 
biometric devices cannot be the reason to deny this facility to you. So if that 
ground is put forward by them, it is open to challenge.

Based on my discussions and email communications I understand that in U.S. and 
other jurisdictions people either use signature or draw a letter in presence of 
a witness.

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[AI] programming ebooks

[Manish Agrawal]

A friend came across this site that seems to host a lot of programming books as 
e-text.
I looked at a couple of the books: they were pdf files hosted on google drive. 
The PDF was readable and doesn’t seem to be just scanned images.
I don’t know of the legality of using these books. If you happen to use these, 
then please reply on the list with your experience.

https://github.com/vhf/free-programming-books/blob/master/free-programming-books.md

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Re: [AI] is Lumia an accessible mobile for the visually challenged.

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Code factory has recently released (or is about to release) a screen reader for 
the windows phones. This reader is not a full fledged screen reader like voice 
over or talkback but instead provides access to some of the key functionalities 
on the phone like dialing, contacts, messages etc.

Google for the code factory screen reader for windows phones to find out more.

Ps: BTW, this message belongs to the mobile AI list and you will get more 
useful answers there.

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Subject: [AI] is Lumia an accessible mobile for the visually challenged.

Hello friends,
one of my friends wishes to buy Nokia Loomia Phone. Please let me know whether 
it is accessible.
regards

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Re: [AI] A question on options to buy books online.

[Manish Agrawal]

Google books are e-books only.

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Mahesh S. Panicker
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:49 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] A question on options to buy books online.

On google books, I couldn't find the option to buy books in hardcopy.
And a google search on the topic also didn't suggest much. How to go about it?

On 9/19/13, mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com wrote:
 you might also like to see:
 ebay.in

 just select the category books and magazines and you will find the list.
 thanks,

 On 9/19/13, Dr. G. Janardhana Naidu jnga...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Mahesh,
 www.infibeam.com also selling hard bound books online. You can search 
 there for your missing titles.
 With thanks and regards,
 Janardhana Naidu.

 On 9/18/13, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello listers
 I have been using flipkart.com to by books online. There are a few 
 titles I want soon that are not available with flipkart as of now.
 What other options can I try? I've already tried snapdeal. A google 
 search suggested that there are a number of sites, but which ones 
 are authentic and safe? Is it possible to buy books from Amazon in 
 Indian currency and Indian pricing?
 Thanks,

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Re: [AI] A question on options to buy books online.

[Manish Agrawal]

Google books also sells e-books in India and has Indian pricing. These are 
accessible on android and IPhone. I haven't tried on the PC. 


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Bharat
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:24 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] A question on options to buy books online.

the books are fully accessible. I could give you more tips on that as you start 
dealing with these books. The prices are somewhere close to its price in 
dollars but doesn't for example, change, with the change in the price of dollar 
on a daily basis.

On 9/18/13, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote:
 I haven't worked with kindle books as yet. How accessible are they on 
 a windows PC with Jaws? Are all the books available for purchase in 
 the kindle format? When Amazon charges in Indian currency, do they 
 simply convert the dollar price into a rupee one or do they provide 
 the book in Indian price? When I checked out a book, it the price was 
 shown in dollars. How to get the pricing in Indian currency?
 Thanks,

 On 9/18/13, Bharat bhara...@gmail.com wrote:
 Now amazon supports payment in indian currency. Kindle books are the 
 best... Buy them  avoid the hassel scanning endlessly!

 On 9/18/13, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote:
 So far I bought only hardcopies. Flipkart eBooks can't be accessed 
 with regular programs on windows computers though there could be 
 workarounds.

 On 9/18/13, raju singh bidh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi friends, may I know what type of books are you purchasing from 
 flipcart?
 I mean e books or hard copy books? If it is the e books then, can 
 we use those books on computer? Some ware I heard that e books 
 which is from flipkart  are only for android device.
 Thanks
 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] 
 On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker
 Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:31 PM
 To: accessindia
 Subject: [AI] A question on options to buy books online.

 Hello listers
 I have been using flipkart.com to by books online. There are a few 
 titles I want soon that are not available with flipkart as of now.
 What other options can I try? I've already tried snapdeal. A google 
 search suggested that there are a number of sites, but which ones 
 are authentic and safe? Is it possible to buy books from Amazon in 
 Indian currency and Indian pricing?
 Thanks,

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Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE

[Manish Agrawal]

 Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] 
 On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha
 Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47
 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of 
 mobile phones and Tabs. '
 Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING 
 SOFTWARE

 Review cursor is already always active.

 You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws.

 NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as 
 NVDA+NVDA
 calls it: inside the object.

 By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO 
 EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING.

 WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU 
 CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor.

 In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement 
 of actual mouse pointer.

 You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the 
 insersion pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks.

 With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user 
 manual which describes all these featues very well.

 There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link 
 to these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself.

 Thanks
 Dipendra




 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] 
 On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma
 Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39
 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of 
 mobilephones and Tabs.
 Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING 
 SOFTWARE

 sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA?
 suppose

 I
 want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do 
 it. i could not find the same in NVDA.
 - Original Message -
 From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM
 Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE


 Dear Access-Indians

 I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of 
 Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open 
 source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost 
 from nvaccess.org web site.
 Its
 latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are 
 some good developments related to NVDA here in India.

 First; A development team is now working right here in India 
 contributing new features and improving the screen reading software.
 The  team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who 
 himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal.
 Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior 
 knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically 
 to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated 
 developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester.

 IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to 
 contribute in development of NVDA.

 All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by 
 CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans 
 Foundation to provide financial support to run this project.

 Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on 
 priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by 
 concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office 
 applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team 
 contributed to NVDA include:

 Added sentence reading command
 Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with 
 bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS 
 word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc 
 fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box 
 Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc...
 This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how 
 important these features are for us.

 More important is that we now have developers who are very willing 
 to listen to us and work on what we think are most important 
 features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For 
 example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to 
 switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete 
 suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this 
 a very low priority because they always suggested to use 
 thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due 
 to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team 
 fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily 
 full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What 
 this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new 
 feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here 
 comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where 
 we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an 
 problem that you are facing

Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE

[Manish Agrawal]

 
 pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks.

 With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual 
 which describes all these featues very well.

 There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to 
 these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself.

 Thanks
 Dipendra




 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
 Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma
 Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39
 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of 
 mobilephones and Tabs.
 Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE

 sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? 
 suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can 
 easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA.
 - Original Message -
 From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM
 Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE


 Dear Access-Indians

 I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of 
 Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source 
 screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from 
 nvaccess.org web site.
 Its
 latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some 
 good developments related to NVDA here in India.

 First; A development team is now working right here in India 
 contributing new features and improving the screen reading software.
 The  team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who 
 himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal.
 Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior 
 knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to 
 the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and 
 also very experienced screen reading software tester.

 IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to 
 contribute in development of NVDA.

 All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS 
 and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation 
 to provide financial support to run this project.

 Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on 
 priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by 
 concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office 
 applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team 
 contributed to NVDA include:

 Added sentence reading command
 Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets 
 and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word 
 Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields 
 Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of 
 status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc...
 This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how 
 important these features are for us.

 More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to 
 listen to us and work on what we think are most important features 
 for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One 
 major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was 
 that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in 
 Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because 
 they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I 
 could not make that shift due to my company policy and 
 responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for 
 past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my 
 full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that 
 the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by 
 the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen 
 reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you 
 would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or 
 you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it 
 to:
 sumandog...@gmail.com

 Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if 
 you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development 
 team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the 
 e-mail provided above.
 These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured 
 for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the  new 
 features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA.

 Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses 
 of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and 
 Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few 
 weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system.

 I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all 
 Indian languages

Re: [AI] Assistance on Indigo

[Manish Agrawal]

Indigo assistance is ok - no better or worse than other airlines. I usually ask 
for assistance at the check in counter and it works for me...however, letting 
them know in advance may be useful.

-Manish

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
vivekananda
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 11:22 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Assistance on Indigo

In Indigo airlines helping for Blind passangers is very good my
experience while travelling Delhi to Bangalore in May with my family
though I did not need any help but still while taking Boarding Pass
the lady on the counter recognised me asBlind person and she  herself
called the Indigo Staff and arranged me a Attendent within few seconds
even inside the flight airhostess came very often and enquired me do I
need any help, while getting down in Bangalore there was one attendent
who helped me till I went out of airport though my family was with me.

On 7/12/13, Raghavendra .G raghavendra.hellore...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi kirankaja, my experience  with indigo services was Grate !!.
 I had been 4 times from bangalore to Indore they offerd me assistance
 From checkin counter to boarding from there to cab



 On 7/12/13, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote:
 Well, I can send you the number of the Duty Manager in Bangalore for
 starters.

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Kiran Kaja
 Sent: 11 July 2013 18:49
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] Assistance on Indigo

 This is very interesting. How do I get hold of the duty manager's phone
 number?

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of George Abraham
 Sent: 11 July 2013 13:43
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] Assistance on Indigo

 Indigo is very good with VI guests. I always travel Indigo. I normally
 call
 the Duty Manager when I am 5 to 10 minutes away from the Airport and
 someone has on most occasions met me as I get off the car. They are good.

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Kiran Kaja
 Sent: 11 July 2013 15:19
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] Assistance on Indigo

 Dear List Members,



 A quick question if I may. I will be doing some domestic air travel in
 India in early November and one of the flights is likely to be with
 Indigo.
 This would most likely be a flight from Bangalore to Hyderabad. Having
 not
 used Indigo before, I am wondering if their assistance to blind
 passengers
 is acceptable or not. Also, do I need to book assistance with them in
 advance?



 Thanks for any inputs.



 Regards,

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Re: [AI] Fwd: Anybody done snorkelling?

[Manish Agrawal]

I did some snorkeling with a guide. It was short and I did it right next to the 
beach with the guide walking or floating in neck deep water holding my hand.
It was fun. However, other than the experience of breathing through a tube 
under water, accidentally opening my mouth and swallowing lots of very salty 
water, and floating, there wasn't much else I noticed...

At some places, there is also the option of under sea walks. Those are more fun 
because you have a lot of fish swimming around you and you can feel some of 
them.

Hope you have a good time!

-Manish


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Ekinath Khedekar
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 2:30 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Fwd: Anybody done snorkelling?

Hi

I am a bit surprised on no replies. But not too much as it’s not
regarding technologies.

Basically, snorkelling is an under-water walk soughts in the sea.

It’s a popular water sport specially around coral reeves.
Do guide me to any VI mailing post meant for sports.

Thanks



-- Forwarded message --
From: Ekinath Khedekar ekin...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:18:03 +0530
Subject: Anybody done snorkelling?
To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Hi Guys,

Has anybody of you done snorkelling?

I am going to bankok in June and wish to know if there also I might
have to face “no” due to blindness?

I have long drempt of snorkelling and bungee jumping.

Therefore, on your guidance may go to place where do not have issues with it.

Cheers



-- 
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but it is the current beneath the water that determines your direction.”



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“The waves breaking on the surface draw all the attention,
but it is the current beneath the water that determines your direction.”

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Re: [AI] Identifying of Currency notes

[Manish Agrawal]

The Google Goggles android app is able to identify Indian currency. I just
tried it with some currency notes with my nexus 4.

-Manish

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Of Tara Fakhri
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:08 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Identifying of Currency notes

Hi All,
Ther are two ways for visually impaired person to identify currency notes.
1) Measurement of Size / length / breadth
2) Mobile App which can identify currency notes for VI.
http://mashable.com/2012/10/10/app-blind-see-dollar-bills/
( Above app is not customised for Indian currency notes , hopefully
soon this will also be available in market )


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[AI] tactile keyboards for touch screen devices

[Manish Agrawal]

This technology seems very promising given that almost all devices are going
the touch route:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20970928


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Re: [AI] swimming training for the blind

[Manish Agrawal]

I tried to learn swimming last year at the Saket sports club. 
The trainer there was not aware of any special method to teach me but was
willing to try out anything I suggested. 
I didn't get much further than floating though because the pool was rather
crowded and I was sure to swim into someone if I moved at all. Its like
walking without assistance on a crowded road.
I am not sure how as a blind swimmer, you can learn to avoid hitting other
people. They do have some technique that allows a blind swimmer to identify
the edge of a pool and avoid hitting the wall but I didn't get that far.

Regards,
Manish
 

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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Prashant Ranjan
Verma
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Subject: [AI] swimming training for the blind

Dear all,

Does anyone has undergone swimming training at a commercial swimming
academy/pool?

I am curious to know the experience. Was there resistance from the trainers?
Did the trainers adopt any different method for training?

 

Specially I would like to hear from persons with low vision.

 

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Re: [AI] accessibility of visual studio

[Manish Agrawal]

Aditi,
Accessibility has improved significantly for visual studio 2010 with freedom
scientific providing jaws support for VS out of the box. I use VS 2010
everyday.
Visual studio 2008 is mostly accessible and there are some third party jaws
scripts available to help.
NVDAworks partially with vs 2008 and slightly better with 2010.

For Jaws 13, I will recommend you go with vs 2010, if possible.

Regards,
Manish
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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of aditi shah
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:31 PM
To: program-l
Cc: accessindia
Subject: [AI] accessibility of visual studio

hello all,
I am learning asp.net with c# as a part of my university course and I
am supposed to use visual studio for writing programs so just wanted
to know is there any difference from accessibility point of view in
versions of vs like vs 2008 or vs 2010?
are there any scripts available to make it more accessible with jaws?
I am using jaws 13.

cheers,
aditi


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Re: [AI] [program-l] accessibility of visual studio

[Manish Agrawal]

Prateek, 
What do you find broken in vs 2010? I use 2010 all the time and find the
support for 2010 in jaws to be better than in 2008.

Regards,
Manish

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Subject: Re: [AI] [program-l] accessibility of visual studio

Aditi, there's actually a significant difference that I found in terms of
accessibility in both the versions.
Unless specifically required, I won't advise you to go with vs2010 at this
point, as the accessibility in the 2010 version is broken at various levels.
I believe its better that you start learning asp.net in vs2008 only, and
once you get comfortable with that interface,  you can consider
experimenting with vs2010 in  the later run.
There's a great set of scripts available for vs2008 with jaws, and you might
like to  use it.
Let the list know if you require those scripts, me or someone else will be
glad to pass you on.

Rest great,  wish you best of luck for learning asp.net, its certainly a
terrific technology to work with.

Regards,
Prateek agarwal.
Managing director,
Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd.
www.daedaltechnovations.com

website:
http://www.prateekagarwal.webs.com



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 I am learning asp.net with c# as a part of my university course and I 
 am supposed to use visual studio for writing programs so just wanted 
 to know is there any difference from accessibility point of view in 
 versions of vs like vs 2008 or vs 2010?
 are there any scripts available to make it more accessible with jaws?
 I am using jaws 13.

 cheers,
 aditi
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[AI] accessibility in Windows 8

[Manish Agrawal]

Came across this on another list. Apologies if this has been posted earlier.
This is exciting because windows 8 will be a common platform across windows
desktop and mobile devices.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/02/14/enabling-accessibility.aspx

Regards,
Manish



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[AI] interesting presentation on braille

[Manish Agrawal]

I came across this very interesting presentation on braille by Kevin Carey
from RNIB. Apologies if this has been posted earlier. Having been a newbie
very occasional braille reader for about 4 years now, I couldn't agree more
with everything here, most of all the need for cheaper braille displays.

start of document



Can Braille Survive?


by
Kevin Carey
Chair
Royal National Institute of Blind People


Presentation at
World Congress Braille21
University of Leipzig
Germany
27th -  30th September 2011



Abstract: If braille is to survive into the 21st Century, primarily as a
down stream reading medium from the digitally distributed environment
(currently the internet and the emerging cloud), it will have to re-invent
itself as a mass medium, simpler, cheaper and easier to render.
 
1.  Introduction

We could hardly be in a better place than Leipzig, home of J.S. Bach, to
begin a discussion of braille in the digital age because the first major
commercial casualty of the internet was the 'big six' classical music
recording companies; within a decade the profit on music sales radically
shifted from the recording companies, who made their profits from
distribution, to Apple's iTunes. The music industry, instead of
understanding the new market of the early '90s, adopted a defensive
strategy, was temporarily out-flanked by peer-to-peer sites like Napster,
and then just capitulated to Apple which offered a mid-way point between
their old hegemony and implosion from piracy.

And as I speak now, this very moment, the profit margin on books is moving
rapidly from contracting publishers, the print equivalent of recording
companies, to Amazon, Kindle and Apple. Despite the valuable role of
publishers in sorting out the aspirant wheat from the chaff, the
distributors have had a strangle hold on publishing since the birth of book
store  chains and supermarkets; but today, more than ever, the digital
distributors are going for high volume, low margin.

Now whether you approve of this or not, the whole point of digital creation
and consumption is that it radically cuts production and distribution costs.
In other words, in the analogue age the producers of recording masters and
print plates were rewarded for their investment with a big slice of the
sales profit margin but as production costs have fallen the profit has been
transferred from the producer to the distributor. 

In parallel with this, power has shifted from the publisher to the self
publisher. Nowadays an aspiring author will prepare his eBook, invest in a
print-on-demand deal and undertake his own internet marketing whereas in the
analogue age, an author needed a publisher and a printer who would accept
his or her work and invest in plate making or, in music, master recording. 

What has all this got to do with the present condition and future of
braille? Before I answer these questions I want to insert a personal note. I
began learning contracted English braille aged three and have used braille
as my literary mainstay all my life, through primary and secondary school,
through two universities, in employment, in writing my novels and in reading
the works of other people. I have visited more than 30 braille printing
presses in Africa, Asia, Australia, Europe and North and South America; I
saw my first refreshable braille display in 1978 and my first computer
driven braille embosser in 1979. I set up the first computer driven braille
press outside the 'West' in Nairobi's Africa Braille Centre in 1987 and have
represented RNIB on the Braille Authority of the United Kingdom. I say all
this because when I deliver difficult messages, as I have for years, on the
subject of braille, I am accused of not being committed to it, of not
knowing what I'm talking about, or of being provocative.

 
In this presentation I want to make some basic proposals which, I believe,
are essential if braille is to survive as a vibrant literacy vehicle, under
three headings

. Production and consumption
. Marketing and Promotion
. Learning and Teaching.

2.  Production and Consumption

So what can we learn from the music and publishing industries:

. First, that braille production has to be democratised.
. Secondly, that the product needs to be cheap and easily consumed; and
. Thirdly, the user interface, or consumption device, has to be cheap.

.   Democratisation. My story begins in Gangtok, the capital of the
Indian State of Sikkim, where I saw five blind students hand-copy braille
manuscripts using a stylus and frame, duplicating and then adding to the
mistakes of their predecessors. It reminded me of the processes and
collateral failures of the monastic manuscript copying system and it also
asked the question most sharply posed in Umberto Eco's great book The Name
of the Rose as to whether the purpose of the library was to protect books
for the public or to protect books from the public.

Braille has had a monastic tradition in the sense that its producers and

Re: [AI] converting text books to brail

[Manish Agrawal]

Vinod,
You could contact people from the daisy forum of India, or NAB, or NIVH or
almost all other NGOs working in the field of blindness with your specific
requirements. There is an effort underway to create a common library of text
books so that your local NGO could print/emboss the books you need even if
they don't already have them available by getting an electronic copy from
another NGO.

Most of these NGOs have people on this forum and I guess someone will reply
if you ask for a specific book or set of books.

Regards,
Manish
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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of vinod benjamin
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:30 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] converting text books to brail

Dear Friends,
 
would request your suggestion in converting text books in to brail books by
typing them.
do any organization do that ?
if so would you kindly provide me the contact?
it would be great if you could provide the contact in Tamil nadu .
one of my friend is trying to teach his child, so he is looking to convert
text books into brail , he is looking for books which are typed in brail.
 
 
Regards,
Vinod Benjamin,
Skype : Vinbenji
E-Mail : vinbe...@gmail.com
 

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Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

[Manish Agrawal]

With the latest jaws 13 beta 2, there is an extra step that you need to do :
2.5 After step 2 and before step 3, refresh the jaws buffer with insert + esc. 
This is a problem with the jaws beta in that it doesn't automatically refresh 
its buffer and you were right in submitting a bug report to FS for this.

-Manish

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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:03 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

As another person below said, here are the steps to access the date on yatra:
1. get focus to the date field and enter forms mode.
2. hit ins + ; to switch off forms mode (can also be done in several other 
ways).
3. hit t to find the next table on the page. You will get to the current 
month calendar.
4. hit t again to go to the next month calendar.
5. if you need to access a date beyond the next month, select the last date of 
the next month and then repeat steps 1 through 4 above. This time you will get 
the next month and the month after calendars.

HTH
-Manish

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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

Submitted as a bug through Jaws 13 beta report form.

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From: Shiv
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:36 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

JAWS 10.

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From: Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?


Which version of Jaws?
Is it me only to whom they are making mad? No reply from their team yet.
-Original Message- 
From: Shiv
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:23 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

Hi Amar,

I am getting the dates to choose after pressing enter on the read only
field.  I pressed down arrow and came out of the forms mode and then press
T.  There was a table with dates.

Thanks.

Shiv

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From: Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:15 PM
Subject: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?


Dear All,
Since I had to book a train ticket for my father urgently and the best
website of IRCTC was not opening and Indianrail’s own portal is still not
functioning for online booking, I used Yatra.
Everything went well till I didn’t reach on date picker, which is a read
only edit box, and even after hitting enter you don’t get any other link /
table from where you can select the date. Just like RBI website.
To my understanding there is no way out to deal with it, but I would like to
be prooved wrong.
Shall be obliged if experts can tell me a way out. As I have to look for
hotels now.
I wish we could have some accessible mobile application to do this task of
booking. But all of them are in Java unfortunately.
Regards
Amar Jain.
Web: www.amarjain.com
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Re: [AI] White cane tips

[Manish Agrawal]

I think it'll be really useful. 
I, for one, am one of those who just picked up a white cane and started
using it really late in life and haven't recieved any formal mobility
training so far - just some useful tips from other blind white cane users. 
Will appreciate anything in this direction.

Regards,
Manish
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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:52 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] White cane tips

Hello All

At the forthcoming AI convention, we can look into the possibility of
running a crash course on use of cane in addition to the sessions on
echolocation.

What do you all think guys?
Harish Kotian.



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Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

[Manish Agrawal]

As another person below said, here are the steps to access the date on yatra:
1. get focus to the date field and enter forms mode.
2. hit ins + ; to switch off forms mode (can also be done in several other 
ways).
3. hit t to find the next table on the page. You will get to the current 
month calendar.
4. hit t again to go to the next month calendar.
5. if you need to access a date beyond the next month, select the last date of 
the next month and then repeat steps 1 through 4 above. This time you will get 
the next month and the month after calendars.

HTH
-Manish

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

Submitted as a bug through Jaws 13 beta report form.

-Original Message- 
From: Shiv
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:36 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

JAWS 10.

- Original Message - 
From: Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?


Which version of Jaws?
Is it me only to whom they are making mad? No reply from their team yet.
-Original Message- 
From: Shiv
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:23 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

Hi Amar,

I am getting the dates to choose after pressing enter on the read only
field.  I pressed down arrow and came out of the forms mode and then press
T.  There was a table with dates.

Thanks.

Shiv

- Original Message - 
From: Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:15 PM
Subject: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?


Dear All,
Since I had to book a train ticket for my father urgently and the best
website of IRCTC was not opening and Indianrail’s own portal is still not
functioning for online booking, I used Yatra.
Everything went well till I didn’t reach on date picker, which is a read
only edit box, and even after hitting enter you don’t get any other link /
table from where you can select the date. Just like RBI website.
To my understanding there is no way out to deal with it, but I would like to
be prooved wrong.
Shall be obliged if experts can tell me a way out. As I have to look for
hotels now.
I wish we could have some accessible mobile application to do this task of
booking. But all of them are in Java unfortunately.
Regards
Amar Jain.
Web: www.amarjain.com
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Re: [AI] Topics for convention

[Manish Agrawal]

Harish,
I couldn't figure out how to register online from the link given in your
mail. 
Is this not working yet or am I missing something?
  
-Manish

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Harish Kotian
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 5:04 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Topics for convention

Dear All

My personal thoughts, is that, we have, some sessions of importance and
enough time for members to interact.
This is indeed a balancing act and we shall make efforts to strike an
optimum balance.

Some of the broad areas I have been looking at are:
1 emerging technology
2 We have now the new law being  on PWD in its final stages,we need to
understand its fine print and do our bit. Besides, UNCRPD is now in force
and we have not really moved in that direction. Finally the next 5 year
plans are taking shape. In short lots of things happening in this space, we
need to watch, speak out and asert our mind. if Nothing for us without us
has bearing, we definately need to have an opinion first before we can speak
out.

3 I see many parents of VI child joining the list. I guess, it would be
timely if we can have a dedicated track on parenting. There would be 3 broad
areas here. viz. able bodied parent of vi child, VI parent of able bodied
child and both parent and child being VI.

Folks, I have presented my thoughts and they are certainly open for review.
The convention is what the members want it to be and we shall make all
efforts to make it happen.
The online registration is now open and can be accessed on:
http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm
The FAQ page is stale and needs to be updated. Awaiting inputs for it.
However, it shall give a good idea though.
Similarly, the Bank details shall be made available shortly for E.F.T.
Members can certainly register now and keep updating their profile.
Harish Kotian
Moderator.
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Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps

[Manish Agrawal]

I paid up the rs. 688 for the annual charges. 
On supposedly older phones like N79, the maps voice guidance is still paid
and not free like on E72. I figured 685 was cheaper than buying a whole new
phone.

-Manish
-Original Message-
From: Prashant Verma [mailto:prashant...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:00 AM
To: manis...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps

Dear Manish,
Are you able to use voice guidance for navigation on N79? 
On my handset it is asking to purchase a license which is priced at Rs. 205
for a month and Rs. 685 for a year.
I thought that it is free now. I have Mapps 3.01 and all software updates.
Searching and exploring works fine but when I choose Drive to or walk to it
goes online automatically to check license.
I am using UK female voice. I also tried Hindi voice with no luck.

No such problem on my E72. It is working fine.

Prashant 

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Manish Agrawal
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:12 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps

Pranay,
Your map data works well on ovi maps 3.01 on my n79 as well.
Thanks a ton for this. Until I put this on my phone, I couldn't plot a route
any bigger than 6 to 8 KM because of low memory or bandwidth or whatever,
ovi maps used to just crash.
But now, with the maps you provided, I don't face any such problem and ovi
maps 3.01 with voice guidance works just fine on my nokia n79.
 
-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranay Gadodia
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 6:02 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps

I mean we cannot increase or even decrease the number of search results.
thanks,
Pranay.
- Original Message - 
From: Pranay Gadodia go4pran...@yahoo.co.in
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps


Hi Rajesh,
I dont think so the number of results displayed can be increased atleast in
ovi maps 3.03/3.04.

thanks

Pranay.
- Original Message - 
From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps


Hi pranay,
In results of find place, 20 results are displayed.
Is there a way we may increase or decrease it?


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranay Gadodia
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:44 PM
To: Bhavesh; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps

Hi,
In the search result the places are listed as per their distance from your
current location, starting with the nearest  ending with the farthest
place.
So if you want to search some place in another city or state, first search
the city or state name and arrow down to the desired result. Here press key1
which would change your maps focus to that city/state.
Then again go in the menu by key 2, then in find place, and type the name of
your desired place and press search.
Here you might see the desired place as one of result items.
If so, press the centre key which gives you options. choose walk to or drive
to or save place to your favourites etc.
It would start giving you voice guidance if your GPS is connected with
satellites.

This way is specially helpful when you are searching say for any restaurant,
any ATM, a temple, a specific road in another city.

I haven't seen their help document if any available online, but have
discovered the above way working well in ovi 3.03.

thanks,

Pranay Gadodia | Programme Manager
Project Eyeway - A knowledge resource for living a fuller life with vision
loss
C/o Score Foundation, 17/107, Basement, Vikram Vihar, Lajpatnagar 4, New
Delhi 110024, INDIA.

Helpdesk:+91 - 11 - 460 70 380 (Monday to Friday 10am to 5pm)
Office Phone: +91 - 11 - 26472582/81
Email: pra...@eyeway.org
Website: www.eyeway.org
- Original Message -
From: Bhavesh charmingbhav...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps


In terms of searching a destenation, u can do following.
Go to maps aplication.
Click on drive or walk, whatever u preffer.
E.g. If u click on drive, u'l get the following:
drive home, set destenation, from maps, etc.
Note: do not silect map option, as it is not accsessible.
Click on set destenation.
Then u will get options such as history, search, etc.
If u click on history, u will  then land up in favourates, where ur history
of visited places is kept, if u have saved if before. For now click on
search, after which a search box will appear. Now for e.g, if u wana search
for parksite colony, within vikroli, u can type

Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps

[Manish Agrawal]

Pranay,
Your map data works well on ovi maps 3.01 on my n79 as well.
Thanks a ton for this. Until I put this on my phone, I couldn't plot a route
any bigger than 6 to 8 KM because of low memory or bandwidth or whatever,
ovi maps used to just crash.
But now, with the maps you provided, I don't face any such problem and ovi
maps 3.01 with voice guidance works just fine on my nokia n79.
 
-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranay Gadodia
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 6:02 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps

I mean we cannot increase or even decrease the number of search results.
thanks,
Pranay.
- Original Message - 
From: Pranay Gadodia go4pran...@yahoo.co.in
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps


Hi Rajesh,
I dont think so the number of results displayed can be increased atleast in
ovi maps 3.03/3.04.

thanks

Pranay.
- Original Message - 
From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps


Hi pranay,
In results of find place, 20 results are displayed.
Is there a way we may increase or decrease it?


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranay Gadodia
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:44 PM
To: Bhavesh; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps

Hi,
In the search result the places are listed as per their distance from your
current location, starting with the nearest  ending with the farthest
place.
So if you want to search some place in another city or state, first search
the city or state name and arrow down to the desired result. Here press key1
which would change your maps focus to that city/state.
Then again go in the menu by key 2, then in find place, and type the name of
your desired place and press search.
Here you might see the desired place as one of result items.
If so, press the centre key which gives you options. choose walk to or drive
to or save place to your favourites etc.
It would start giving you voice guidance if your GPS is connected with
satellites.

This way is specially helpful when you are searching say for any restaurant,
any ATM, a temple, a specific road in another city.

I haven't seen their help document if any available online, but have
discovered the above way working well in ovi 3.03.

thanks,

Pranay Gadodia | Programme Manager
Project Eyeway - A knowledge resource for living a fuller life with vision
loss
C/o Score Foundation, 17/107, Basement, Vikram Vihar, Lajpatnagar 4, New
Delhi 110024, INDIA.

Helpdesk:+91 - 11 - 460 70 380 (Monday to Friday 10am to 5pm)
Office Phone: +91 - 11 - 26472582/81
Email: pra...@eyeway.org
Website: www.eyeway.org
- Original Message -
From: Bhavesh charmingbhav...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps


In terms of searching a destenation, u can do following.
Go to maps aplication.
Click on drive or walk, whatever u preffer.
E.g. If u click on drive, u'l get the following:
drive home, set destenation, from maps, etc.
Note: do not silect map option, as it is not accsessible.
Click on set destenation.
Then u will get options such as history, search, etc.
If u click on history, u will  then land up in favourates, where ur history
of visited places is kept, if u have saved if before. For now click on
search, after which a search box will appear. Now for e.g, if u wana search
for parksite colony, within vikroli, u can type vikroli, parksite colony, in
this case.
If u know the postal coad, which in this example should be 400079.
Otherwise, u can browse catagories, and and search accordingly.
Write to me, if u need more assistance, or contact me on my gsm, if u
preffer.


With best regards,
bhavesh.
Email produced on nokia c5-00 using a symbian based screen reader.
Gsm: +919594597588
alternative Gsm:
+919029059211
Windows live:
bha...@live.com
skype:
bhavesh.patel499
fring:
bhau13

-original message-
Subject: Re: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps
From: Rohiet A. Patil patil_ro...@dataone.in
Date: 15/04/2011 8:58 pm

I have a small quairy in this regard. Can anyone guide me step by step
regarding how to search a perticular place in the map and how to set it as
destination? Please write with example. I would like to learn the thing
personally. So any one wish to help me please contact me off the list.
Thanks and regards,
Rohiet Patil
Cell: +919850831774
- Original Message -
From: Pranay Gadodia go4pran...@yahoo.co.in
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:57 AM
Subject: [AI] Map data for Ovi maps


 Hi all,
 Few days ago I downloaded the map data of India for Ovi Maps 

Re: [AI] help needed: for using escalators

[Manish Agrawal]

I just keep walking holding on to the sighted person's elbow as I normally
would. Once you get on an escalator, you have a few seconds before the
platform you are on starts going up or down at which point, you usually have
to adjust your foot a few inches forward or backward. I usually end up one
stair behind the person escorting me both while going up and going down.

While getting off the escalator, it usually helps if your body weight is on
your heels rather than being on your toes because most escalators end on a
slightly sloping surface and you automatically get pushed on to it (rather
than stumbling).

-Manish
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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Madhu Singhal
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] help needed: for using escalators

Dear Prateek,
I do go to different countries, But i always ask the person who will be 
walking with me please put my hand on railing when eskilater comes.
I also come to know when it will get over according to the railing height.
According to regular practice we can become master.
- Original Message - 
From: prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com
To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in; rpp-india 
rpp-in...@googlegroups.com; youthRI yout...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: [AI] help needed: for using escalators


hi folks,
hope you all are doing great.
With all the traveling I've been doing from past whatever months to
different parts of world, one of the problems I'm facing is to cope
with escalators.
Escalators are becoming common in Indian structures too, but I found a
lot of escalators  at various places especially in countries like US,
UK etc.
No matter whatever I've tried, I haven't been able to independently
use the escalators, and in fact, found myself in a strange nuisance
all the times I have to use them.
for Those who don't know, I'm a totally blind.

Though I manage to take someone's help to climb through escalators,
but even in that case find a lot uneasiness,  particularly due to the
strange manner most of the people use to help me.
Sometimes, 2 people holding my  hands from both the sides, shouting
like hell when I have to further my leg, and all that irritates me to
the crest.
I feel like a victim and  find a serious discomfiture.

Since many of you have been traveling across the world and using
escalators from quite sometime now, I request you to kindly share your
experiences on how do you cope with them.
Since I do not have any sight available, it'll be helpful if you can
help me by describing from that  perspective.

So, can you please guide me on the following?
1. how to determine when to further the legs when you are totally
blind and can not catch the visual signals?
2. is there a  technique to do it independently?
3. I feel a little apprehensive about risk  of legs to get wedged into
the stairways. Is there a  way out?

Your valuable guidance will be of great use, not just for me, but for
lot of others like me.

Hoping to have some positive responses.

Regards,
Prateek agarwal.
Director,
Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd.
www.daedaltechnovations.com
we bring the change we wish to see!

Website:
www.prateekagarwal.tk
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Re: [AI] ABBYY with windows 7 64bit

[Manish Agrawal]

Yes.

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. TVGNS
Sudhakar
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:36 PM
To: Acces India
Subject: [AI] ABBYY with windows 7 64bit

Dear all,

 

I would like to ask a question whether ABBYY fine reader 10 pro is
compatible with windows 7 64 bit version?.

 

Thanks,

Sudhakar.

Re: [AI] Symbian must stay petition

[Manish Agrawal]

I would be more willing to sign a windows Phone 7 must be made accessible
before Symbian is shut down petition (if one exists) rather than this one.

I don't see anything wrong in the business decision of a company to move to
a different platform so long as accessibility is ensured. Also, WP7 needs to
be made accessible regardless of nokia devices using it or not. WP7 is a
much more futuristic platform than Symbian in my mind. 
Also, Symbian just happens to have been made accessible because of the
efforts of companies like talks and code factory and not because of nokia's
particular affinity for supporting blind users. 
This is very different from companies like Apple and Microsoft who put in
specific efforts for making their products accessible. I understand WP7
isn't accessible yet, but so was the case for the IPhone for the first few
versions.
These are, however, my personal views and I don't have anything against
people supporting this petition.

-Manish

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bharatvaya
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 6:18 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Symbian must stay petition

Hi,

I wanted to draw your attention to this important petition that I recently
signed:

Symbian must stay
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/symbianforever/

I really think this is an important cause, and I'd like to encourage you to
add your signature, too. It's free and takes just a few seconds of your
time.

Thanks!

bharat vaya
lecturer Mahavir B.Ed College Dhrangadhra
Email ID bharatv...@gmail.com
contect no.09428973293 
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Re: [AI] The guide on the phone

[Manish Agrawal]

Every time I visited a museum or tourist spot in the US with the audio
described exhibits, I wished it to be introduced in India.

Very happy to read this! It gives a whole new meaning to a blind person's
museum tour. I hope they also keep some practical aspects of implementing
this in mind - for example putting the unique number next to each exhibit in
Braille instead of only as printed text. Also, putting the Braille embossed
number in the same relative location for every exhibit (such as the bottom
right corner) also helps.

For anyone who is planning to visit Kerala, make sure to visit the Drift
wood museum near Cochin. You can touch and feel every artifact there and if
it is audio described as well, you'll really love it.


-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:59 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] The guide on the phone

Hi,
I posted this because, it is very much accessible to the visually
challenged, since the discriptions is in audio.
 Date:20/02/2011 URL:
http://www.thehindu.com/2011/02/20/stories/2011022051060200.htm

Kerala

  The guide on the phone 

Next time, do not be disheartened if your search for a tour guide in Kerala
goes in vain. Even without one, you can walk around any tourist destination
listening to the wonders of its cultural and historical heritage. All that
you need is your mobile phone.

Tourists can look forward to Kerala Tourism's 'Audio Guide,' a recorded,
spoken commentary of the tourist spots of God's Own County, to go on a
self-guided
tour.

Home and Tourism Minister Kodiyeri Balakrishnan launched the guide and the
'Bring Home a Friend' initiative of Kerala Tourism involving the Malayali
diaspora
here on Wednesday night.

The multi-language 'Audio Guide,' the first by a State, covers all tourist
destinations. Both initiatives are part of Kerala Tourism's efforts to use
modern
technology to promote tourism.

To access the 'Audio Guide,' launched in association with MobME Wireless
Solutions, a mobile-phone value-added services company, dial 9048 75.
The tourist
will be prompted to enter the unique identification number of the
destination that will be displayed on the screen. On doing so, the 'Audio
Guide' will
start speaking.

Listen to the description of specific spots and details of exhibits by
entering the code number displayed next to the exhibit. It is a
path-breaking initiative
in the country. The idea is that everybody today has a cellphone, so instead
of hiring an expensive headphone-based audio guide about a tourist spot, you
only need to pay for a phone call. At the same time, it has all the
facilities of a headphone-based audio guide, says V. Venu, Secretary,
Tourism.

The users can fast-forward, rewind, pause or replay the description.

The 'Audio Guide' can be accessed from any part of the globe round the clock
every day. Standard call rates will apply. The languages include English,
Hindi
and Malayalam.

Renuka E,
Section Officer,
ICT Centre for Visually Challlenged,
CHMK Library,
University ofCalicut,
Malappuram Dist.,
Kerala.
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Re: [AI] Excel query, very urgent

[Manish Agrawal]

Do a Paste special instead of paste and select value only.
You will get the paste special command in the right click context menu and
under the edit menu in excel.

-Manish

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:32 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Excel query, very urgent

Hi friends,

When I copy a cell which has a sum formula and paste it in another
sheet, Jaws is saying number ref instead of the actual number.  I
want the actual number to be pasted.

Guidance required very urgently.

-- 
G. Vamshi
PH Res : +91 877-2243861
Mobile: +91 9949349497
E-mail ID:
gvamsh...@gmail.com
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light

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Re: [AI] Statistical Packages Accessibility

[Manish Agrawal]

I believe there were scripts for SAS as well. The jaws scripts mailing list
may be a good place to ask.

I used SAS a couple of years ago very briefly and was able to get around
without scripts for my very basic requirements. For anything serious, you'll
definitely need scripts.

-Manish
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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Prashant Naik
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 2:26 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Statistical Packages Accessibility

Dear friends,

I am putting one more query on accessibility.  There are statistical
softwares like
S P S S,
S A S and
Minitab.

These are specialized software programs used for market research,
economics and statistical studies.   S P S S old version was having
JAWS scripts but what about latest version.

I request you to provide me with resource links, helps documents,
setting changes in the program, jaws scripts, etc. if anyone of you is
aware of or using it.

Thanks,
Prashant Naik

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Re: [AI] Induction Cooker

[Manish Agrawal]

Hi,
Aman (my wife) and I did get an opportunity to use an induction cooking
range for a few weeks some time ago (don't know the make or
model)thought will share my experience with the group.
While it is true that the cooking stove was actually very safe and Aman
would not freak out every time I went near the stove while she was working,
we did face the following problems (some of which can be addressed with
small tweaks to the stove):

1. Aman just couldn't find any good way of cooking reasonable chapatis on
the stove. Typically, you would partially cook a chapati on a pan (tava) and
then directly over the flame. In this case, there is no flame, so, you've
got to figure out a pan-only way of cooking a good chapati. Aman couldn't do
that, although my mother claims that it can be done. Even Aman's paranthas
(which are completely cooked on the pan) did not come out right on the
induction stove - the way do on a regular gas stove -- maybe because we had
a round bottom tava and not a flat one (next point).

2. We had several existing Indian cooking utensils - but they were all
unusable because they were all round-bottom. The induction stove is a flat
surface and any round bottom utensil is not stable (and is quite a hazard to
use).

3. As a blind person, I couldn't use the stove at all (not even to make some
tea - just about the only thing I can make on a stove) because the surface
of the stove was completely flat with circular drawings on the surface
indicating where the utensil needs to be placed. Since I could not see the
circular drawings, I didn't really ever get my utensil placed right where it
needed to be. This problem can of course be solved with practice or with
some of the models being produced today where you can place the utensil
anywhere on the surface and there are no circular drawings.

4. The stove we had had several circular push buttons on the wall to turn
individual burners (circular drawings) on/off. Since there was no flame
and no heat, the only way of indicating that a particular burner was
switched on at a time was a small light next to the button. The light was so
distant and small that even Aman (who has low vision) found very hard to
see. The temperature controls were next to each such button and those being
turned to a specific point didn't tell if the burner was on or off.

5. The final problem I see in buying an induction stove in India in the near
future is because in Delhi we have very frequent and potentially long power
cuts. I am not sure if an induction stove can run on an inverter.

In summary, I think most of the above problems can be solved by making a
better designed induction stove/utensils and I can live with less than
perfect chapatis to get the safety of no flame, but I am not sure what we
can do about the power cuts that seem to become worse every year.

BTW, if you are a cleanliness freak, the flat surface of the stove was
amazingly easy to clean and spilled food or milk that inevitably boils over
the top didn't start burning and create a horrid burning smell in the house.

my 2' cents
Manish

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of harish
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:51 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Induction Cooker

Dear Vaishnavi

Thanks so much for the investigation. This should indeed be a wonderful 
device for the blind and a good candidate for nomination for the NCPEDP 
design award.

It would certainly be out of the blue recognition to them, folks at Chennai 
need to check on its accessibility and nominate it accordingly.

When main stream products take the extra step in accessibility we should 
reward the effort enthusiastically.

I would also urge our members to support this product in their own little 
ways.

Harish.

- Original Message - 
From: V. Jayakumar jayakumar.vaishn...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Cc: Senthil Kumar sent...@qubecinema.com; mano...@gmail.com; 
madanme...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Induction Cooker


Dear Harish,

I deserve the needle in the haystack award for this find! There is a talking
induction cooker already available for Rs 3000. Made by a Chennai
export-oriented company called Shadows Ltronix - they are open to adapting
and customizing their unit range to suit specific needs -so this particular
model SLS-2030 can be tweaked further! Details via links at eom.

Strangely, models available abroad advertising accessibility seem to use
tactile features only, though talking microwaves, kettles etc are easily
available.  For eg this model from
http://www.independentliving.com/prodinfo.asp?number=201106 : This 12
square cooktop only heats when a pan made of stainless steel, enamelware or
iron meets the surface which makes it safe to touch without getting burned.
You can cook and warm foods almost as quickly as with a gas stove adjusting
the 

Re: [AI] Induction Cooker

[Manish Agrawal]

The pan heats up just like it would on a gas stove. The outer surface
doesn't remain cool. You have to use pans with handles or use gloves.

-Manish

-Original Message-
From: Geetha Shamanna [mailto:gee...@millernorbert.de] 
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:10 PM
To: manis...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Induction Cooker

Hi Manish,

That was an interesting review, thank you. Although the likelihood of me 
stumbling upon an induction cooker in the UK is low since most houses come 
pre-equipped with hobs, I am curious about one other thing:
When using a normal hob (which I seldom do), more than the flame, it is the 
heat within a pan that is difficult to handle. When stirring something in a 
pan, for example, the heat within the pan is so intense to the hand that I 
can hardly continue holding the stirring spoon. Does heat from the hob rise 
up the same way when cooking on an induction cooker, or is it concentrated 
at the bottom of the pan? Also, does the outer surface of the pan remain 
cool when food is being cooked? Is it possible to remove a pan from the hob 
without using gloves?

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: Manish Agrawal manis...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Induction Cooker


Hi,
Aman (my wife) and I did get an opportunity to use an induction cooking
range for a few weeks some time ago (don't know the make or
model)thought will share my experience with the group.
While it is true that the cooking stove was actually very safe and Aman
would not freak out every time I went near the stove while she was working,
we did face the following problems (some of which can be addressed with
small tweaks to the stove):

1. Aman just couldn't find any good way of cooking reasonable chapatis on
the stove. Typically, you would partially cook a chapati on a pan (tava) and
then directly over the flame. In this case, there is no flame, so, you've
got to figure out a pan-only way of cooking a good chapati. Aman couldn't do
that, although my mother claims that it can be done. Even Aman's paranthas
(which are completely cooked on the pan) did not come out right on the
induction stove - the way do on a regular gas stove -- maybe because we had
a round bottom tava and not a flat one (next point).

2. We had several existing Indian cooking utensils - but they were all
unusable because they were all round-bottom. The induction stove is a flat
surface and any round bottom utensil is not stable (and is quite a hazard to
use).

3. As a blind person, I couldn't use the stove at all (not even to make some
tea - just about the only thing I can make on a stove) because the surface
of the stove was completely flat with circular drawings on the surface
indicating where the utensil needs to be placed. Since I could not see the
circular drawings, I didn't really ever get my utensil placed right where it
needed to be. This problem can of course be solved with practice or with
some of the models being produced today where you can place the utensil
anywhere on the surface and there are no circular drawings.

4. The stove we had had several circular push buttons on the wall to turn
individual burners (circular drawings) on/off. Since there was no flame
and no heat, the only way of indicating that a particular burner was
switched on at a time was a small light next to the button. The light was so
distant and small that even Aman (who has low vision) found very hard to
see. The temperature controls were next to each such button and those being
turned to a specific point didn't tell if the burner was on or off.

5. The final problem I see in buying an induction stove in India in the near
future is because in Delhi we have very frequent and potentially long power
cuts. I am not sure if an induction stove can run on an inverter.

In summary, I think most of the above problems can be solved by making a
better designed induction stove/utensils and I can live with less than
perfect chapatis to get the safety of no flame, but I am not sure what we
can do about the power cuts that seem to become worse every year.

BTW, if you are a cleanliness freak, the flat surface of the stove was
amazingly easy to clean and spilled food or milk that inevitably boils over
the top didn't start burning and create a horrid burning smell in the house.

my 2' cents
Manish

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of harish
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:51 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Induction Cooker

Dear Vaishnavi

Thanks so much for the investigation. This should indeed be a wonderful
device for the blind and a good candidate for nomination for the NCPEDP
design award.

It would certainly be out of the blue recognition to them, folks at Chennai
need to check on its accessibility and nominate it accordingly.

When main

Re: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

[Manish Agrawal]

Letters are located in a qwerty layout as if on a regular keyboard on the
iphone screen. With a little practice, you'll get faster at locating them.
However, I still think it is slower than a tactile keypad.

-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:36 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

Hai Vetri: 

Just out of curiosity, I tried typing messages using VoiceOver. The
first difficulty is locating the keys. The order in which the letters
are located isn't very clear and lack of a tactile key is definitely
making learning slower. However, do you think it would take long for
someone to learn it? 

Subramani 



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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam
Vetrivel Murugan
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:52 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

The point about I-phone 3g is correct and that's universal since they
don't have voiceover feature. You can access almost everything with
voiceover on 3gs. There could be some difficulties until you get used
to the touch screen interface, but that's about it. As I mentioned
before, typing could be a bit slow, but it should be possible to input
short messages with the touch screen interface. Much like other screen
readers, there is an in-build help is available to learn the screen
navigation with voiceover.

Vetri.

On 01/07/2010, Kiran Kaja kirankaj...@gmail.com wrote:
 Let me try and clarify a few points here:

 1. iPhone 3G (which is still available in India) is not accessible at
all.
 So, just forget about.

 2. iPhone 3GS is also available in India and it has VoiceOver and Zoom
 functionality. VoiceOver is a full-fledged screen reader and provides
access
 to most of the built-in apps and third-party apps. It does not provide
 limited access.

 3. As far as I am aware, SayText may only work with the new iPhone 4
and not
 with any other models. I may be wrong but I don't thing the camera on
the
 3GS and 3G is sufficient for OCR.

 Look at www.maccessibility.net for reviews of the iPhone 3GS.

 Regards,
 Kiran
 Follow me on Twitter! www.twitter.com/kirankaja12
 -Original Message-
 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu
 Chakravarthula
 Sent: 01 July 2010 17:16
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

 Subramani:

 This may perhaps help you -
 http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html

 I remember seeing a detailed review by Victor Tsaran, but don't have
the
 link right now. You may search on Twitter.

 Regards,
 Srinivasu Chakravarthula

 -Original Message-
 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani
L
 Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:03 PM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

 Folks:

 Am just about to check out Say Text and do a small review cum report
for
 my newspaper. However, am told that Voice Over is not fully functional
 on iPhone 3GS.

 1.Is it true that VoiceOver works only to get some contacts and
 operate music in iPhone 3Gs bought in India?
 2. If not, pl let me know how best I or anyone buying iPhone 3GS
 in India can make the best use of VoiceOver and by extension Say Text.
 Quick response is appreciated since I need to do it faster.

 Subramani


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Re: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

[Manish Agrawal]

Hi Subramani,
I also tried using say text with my IPhone 3gs but never get it to click
automatically. I am using the following instructions:
Place the phone in about the middle of the page and lift it slowly up until
the entire page is in focus and the program will automatically click a
picture of the page.
This never seems to happen in my case. There is also the option of clicking
manually. When I do a manual click, I inevitably shake the phone and the
picture comes out blurred and the OCR is not really clean.
Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong? Are you using the same steps? --
If the answer to these is RTFM, then please say so because I haven't
really read through any manual yet for this.

Also, if it does work for you, approximately how far is your phone from the
page (full sized A4) when the picture is clicked?

As for your questions on Voice over, Kiran has already answered those in the
thread below -- except that based on the say text website, this program
should work with 3gs as well and not just with IPhone 4.

-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 5:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

Hey all: 

Good news is that I have just tested Say Text in iPhone 3Gs. It works
perfectly well. I need some practicve with the touch screen; otherwise
the app works pretty well. Even the accuracy of the text is quite good.
I was told that iPhone 3GS  with 16 GB space should cost somewhere in
the region of 23 to 25 thousand. iPhone 3Gs with 32 GB space costs Rs
40,000. 

Subramani 



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani,
Rajesh
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:12 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

One last point Kiran, how much may I phone 4  cost in India?


Regards

If you believe that there is a God, a God that made your
body, and yet you think that you can do anything with
that body that's dirty, then the fault lies with the manufacturer.

 --Lenny Bruce

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349




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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kiran Kaja
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:12 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

Let me try and clarify a few points here:

1. iPhone 3G (which is still available in India) is not accessible at
all.
So, just forget about.

2. iPhone 3GS is also available in India and it has VoiceOver and Zoom
functionality. VoiceOver is a full-fledged screen reader and provides
access
to most of the built-in apps and third-party apps. It does not provide
limited access.

3. As far as I am aware, SayText may only work with the new iPhone 4 and
not
with any other models. I may be wrong but I don't thing the camera on
the
3GS and 3G is sufficient for OCR.

Look at www.maccessibility.net for reviews of the iPhone 3GS.

Regards,
Kiran
Follow me on Twitter! www.twitter.com/kirankaja12
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu
Chakravarthula
Sent: 01 July 2010 17:16
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

Subramani:

This may perhaps help you -
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html

I remember seeing a detailed review by Victor Tsaran, but don't have the
link right now. You may search on Twitter.

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:03 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Urgent help needed regarding iPhone 3GS

Folks:

Am just about to check out Say Text and do a small review cum report for
my newspaper. However, am told that Voice Over is not fully functional
on iPhone 3GS.

1.  Is it true that VoiceOver works only to get some contacts and
operate music in iPhone 3Gs bought in India?
2.   If not, pl let me know how best I or anyone buying iPhone 3GS
in India can make the best use of VoiceOver and by extension Say Text.
Quick response is appreciated since I need to do it faster.

Subramani


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Re: [AI] TED talks on inclusive planet

[Manish Agrawal]

Ted has some really amazing content. Great job on getting it on inclusive
planet.
A word about the flash players...I couldn't use the b and f keys while the
video was playing as was suggested in the instructions on the site. 
I also tried with doing a key pass through in jaws but that seemed to have
no effect.

Anyway, good job once again. I've just spent more than 2 hours of my
billable time listening to the wonderful content, so, I'll better get back
to work.

-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of V. Jayakumar
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:41 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] TED talks on inclusive planet

Hi Simon,

That's wonderful news about TED on inclusive planet! TED has been showcasing
truly impressive, memorable content past few years.

Congratulations!

I do have a suggestion...

TED has tied up with dotsub for subtitling in multiple languages. Here's a
brief about dotsub.com for those  who have not heard about it:

dotSUB is the world's leading solution for creating, translating, and
rendering multiple language subtitles for videos across all platforms.

Our collaborative tools and proprietary back end Project Management System
makes it possible to manage complex multiple language translation projects
easier, faster and more cost effectively than ever before.

A full suite of integration tools and a Software Development Kits (SDK)
makes it possible for our partners to deploy dynamic subtitles to video
players, mobile devices, as well as transcription and video editing
systems.

How about setting up an online volunteering system of subtitling in Indian
languages? Would truly be inclusive then in every sense of the word. I have
trialled this already for a research project on mental health. Online
volunteers from as far away as Dubai translated scanned questionnaires into
English after agreeing to a confidentiality clause (also online). They also
counterchecked other translator's work as a further quality check.
Worked like a dream!

Looking forward to the forums feedback on how we can make this happen,

Regards,

Vaishnavi


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Re: [AI] Any member using JAWS with remote access

[Manish Agrawal]

What is the nature of your problem?
I've used remote jaws with an xp client and win2k3 server over remote
desktop (never tried it with citrics).
Did you reach out to freedom scientific support? They are usually able to
sort out any config issues you may be having.

-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Saurabh Malav
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:59 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Any member using JAWS with remote access

Hi Friends,

I am facing some issues while installing JAWS with remote access license in
my company.

Is there any member on the list who is using JAWS with remote access license
in the environment where Windows XP is installed on the local machine and
Windows Server 2003 is installed on the remote machine. Here Citrix protocol
is being used for remote connection.

Any such user kindly contact me off the list.

Thanks  Regards,
Saurabh


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Re: [AI] doubt in Excel with Jaws

[Manish Agrawal]

alt +ctrl +insert + c marks the values in a row as column headers
alt + ctrl + insert + r marks the values in a row as row headers.

So, in your case, go to the A1 cell and press alt + ctrl + insert + c and
then when you move from b4 to a4, the value in the cell A1 will be spoken as
the heading in a different pitch before the contents of the A4 cell are
spoken.


HTH,
Manish
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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:33 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] doubt in Excel with Jaws

Dear friends,

Is there any option in Jaws which makes Jaws announce the column
heading instead of the cell address when the cursor moves to a
particular cell in excel?

I have given column headings from 1 to 180 starting from A1.  Now,
when I go to A4, Jaws should say 1 instead of A4.

Required guidance urgently.

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Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text

[Manish Agrawal]

doesn't using pitch to distinguish caps help you?
Back in the day when I used to do a lot of proof reading as an editor for
technical documents, I had set up pitch for caps during continuous reading
and say cap during word by word and character navigation. I don't
necessarily remember how I set it up or if this can be done with the latest
versions.


Also, the pitch is slightly more distinct with eloquence than with espeak
where everything sounds the same to me.


-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:44 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text

Thank you, will try that out. That should make spotting misplaced capital 
letters a lot easier.

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: Mukesh Sharma mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com
To: 'Geetha Shamanna' gee...@millernorbert.de; 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text


Hello,
For cap announcement, you can set to play sound, which will be less
irritating.
To do that, Go to JAWS  Utility Menu  configuration manager  Set Options
Menu  Speech and Sound Manager  Edit Current Scheme  Misc Tab Page, there
in the list select cap and then tab to the set of radio choices and select
Play Sound. The next button will allow you to select WAVE file to be
played.

I suggest to create a new sound scheme to be used for proof reading, you can
customize many options by using this method.

Thanks
Mukesh



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:00 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text

Hi Pranav and all,

As a translator, I am expected to proofread translated documents all the
time. While the spellcheck feature of Word tracks down most of the spelling
errors and spacing inconsistencies, the biggest difficulty I encounter when
proofreading with the help of a screen reader relates to tracking down
inappropriate/inadvertent  capitalisation. Turning on Jaws' capitalisation
announcement feature can solve the problem, but this can be grating on the
ears. I am yet to find a speech-based solution to this problem.

Geetha
- Original Message -
From: Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM
Subject: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text


Hi all,

What techniques do you use to proof read text? Do you use audio or Braille?
I am in a situation where I need to produce perfect text. I cannot afford
even a single error. I use a screen reader namely Jaws for Windows. I do
most of my writing in Microsoft Word so use the spelling and grammar checker
that comes with Microsoft Office. I also review my documents using speech
but I am liable to miss things especially if two words sound alike.

Pranav




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Re: [AI] Weblinks not opening

[Manish Agrawal]

You probably have some malware remnant or the tool you used was never
correctly uninstalled as you have said. 
You can try another tool (I recently used vipre) to see if that helps.
Otherwise, write to stopzilla support forum or something. Also try
reinstalling stopzilla and uninstalling it the right way instead of deleting
it.

-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranay Gadodia
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:50 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Weblinks not opening

Hi all,
Wondering if anyone can help on this:
From last few days I am not able to open weblink from mails received in
outlook express. When I press enter on a link, a window of internet explorer
opens for a moment and then disappears. 

Even in Internet explorer, links from many sites (but not all) now do not
open by pressing shift enter. It behaves the same way. For example, if I
want to open a link from google search results, shift enter does not work, I
have to press enter.

I feel that this started after I cleaned my system from a virus/malware
attack. During that time I installed a malware removal tool called
stopzilla, which used to intercept opening of any weblink. After you approve
it, it would allow webpage to open. When the system was cleaned, I had to
delete it from the program files folder as its uninstall process always got
stuck and never completed.

Would appreciate if someone can help in the above.

thanks and regards,

Pranay. g


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Re: [AI] Visually impaired people investing in mutual funds

[Manish Agrawal]

As you've already said in your mail, I use an online account for this.
 

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Eyeway Helpdesk
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:37 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Visually impaired people investing in mutual funds

Hi all,

One of our helpdesk caller from Mumbai wants to invest money in a mutual 
fund through a broker, but he is being asked to sign the documents instead 
of thumb  impression.

Would like to know how others are doing in this regard and is there a clear
provision about this.

One of the ways to avoid signing would be to open online trading account
where they also allow to apply for MFs online.


Please contact us ASAP on the below given contacts.

With best regards,
Satguru Rathi | Helpdesk Executive, Project Eyeway - A knowledge resource 
for living a fuller life with vision loss
C/o Score Foundation, Y-70, Lower Ground floor, Hauz Khas, New Delhi - 110 
016. INDIA.

Helpdesk:+91-11-460 70 380 (Monday to Friday 10am to 5pm)
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Re: [AI] Accessible gps comparison

[Manish Agrawal]

You seem to be arguing whether a CNet reference is more reliable than a
wikipedia reference.
That was not the point I was making in my last message. I'll rephrase the
point for your benefit:

1. When you copy-paste material from the Web in your mails to the list, try
to include the source where you copied the material from (regardless of
whether it is from CNet or wikipedia). This will allow people to not just
judge the material's reliability but also explore it in more detail on their
own.

2. While copy-pasting the IPhone review from CNet, you have not only not
provided the original source but have gone ahead and replaced references to
the London tube with Delhi metro and we to I to make it look as if
this was your own personal experience (which it clearly is not). The CNet
review article is not written by a VI person while you made it sound as the
first hand experience of a VI person -- doesn't that sound like an important
distinction?

Regards,
Manish 

-Original Message-
From: KARAN GUPTA [mailto:kara...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:19 PM
To: manis...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible gps comparison

To cut it short - cnet in any country works closely with Reuters,  
standard  poors and top university professors etc. I know it because  
they're my colleauges and we never post anything right from one or two  
sources. Our process is intense to read hundreds of journals first,  
for example, jstore.com - before coming to unanimous conclusion and  
our write-ups. I never meant, who's right, who's wrong or blame-game.  
It's just all about spreading right information for the right people  
and for the right reason. I still strongly believe, I wish, should I  
get influence from one or two sources so easily, I'd have stopped  
going to libraries, consulting top facilitators etc. Moreover, please  
match Harvard or MLA referencing system with Wiki because I can send  
you the list of CNET (UK/US) bibliography database, if you want to.  
Everyone has got different writing style. My colleagues from cnet are  
the people who met the innovators themselves at MWC 2010 at Barcelona  
and CES 2010 Los Angles. It is as simple as that, it's wasn't about  
you mate, it was all about the reliable source you refer to, so we all  
can put our faith in that piece of information. I don't know, how  
serious you are about the quality and an organized content. Lastly, I  
had a positive argument about one topic from wiki because I have all  
the recorded video podcasts of Steve Jobs and lary page only from  
cnet, where they clearly explained the developments of gps-thingy in  
the last two years.



On 27 Feb 2010, at 11:38 AM, Manish Agrawal manis...@gmail.com  
wrote:

 Similar to my earlier comment on pointing people to the source of  
 where you
 are quoting from, most of the text below seems to have come from the  
 cnet
 review at:
 http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030106,49302553-2,00.htm

 Even if it was you who wrote the original review (which in this case  
 is not
 the case), it will be useful if you point people to the whole thing  
 to help
 them learn on their own.


 -Manish
 -Original Message-
 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of KARAN  
 GUPTA
 Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:42 PM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible gps comparison

 Firstly, it's Karan not Karen. Please do refer the archive of iPhone  
 3GS
 where I mentioned about its accessibility options. In short, it  
 comes with
 built-in voice-over synthesizer exacltly like Mac and a built-in  
 magnifier
 and a add-on app for shake dialing. I won't recommend its voice over  
 though
 entirely based on its touch screen because there are always a loads of
 confusion and trouble to access it accurately and speedly for my  
 totally VI
 friends unlike the other traditional phones, which gives you tactile
 feedback. Having said that, its magnification technology is really  
 state of
 the art. Infact, once you use it - you get addicted of it somewhat  
 like
 zoomtext and even better than 'magic' on PC but all this features  
 are really
 very handy for low vision or partially-blind. About its performance:  
 Among
 the 3G S' new features, the unsung heroes have to be the improved
 performance and battery life. Well, the improved performance is  
 somewhat
 sung, since the 'S' in the phone's name stands for 'speed'. Although  
 it's
 not as glamorous as cut-and-paste capability -- I never thought I'd be
 writing that -- it improves the experience of using a phone that  
 already
 feels top of its class for responsiveness. The 3GS also supports voice
 control, which suits me, since I like to yell to myself on the Delhi- 
 Metro
 to frighten off muggers. lol. It's activated by holding down the  
 home button
 or pressing the button on the included headphones. You can use

Re: [AI] RSS Feeds was: web brouser in ubuntu

[Manish Agrawal]

It is usually a good idea to point people to the source of where you are
quoting from. E.g. in this case, you seem to have copied the text from
http://www.whatisrss.com/ 

This way people will be able to explore the topic further on their own.


-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of KARAN GUPTA
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:43 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] RSS Feeds was: web brouser in ubuntu

Hi ya

What is RSS?
RSS (Rich Site Summary) is a format for delivering regularly changing  
web content. Many news-related sites, weblogs and other online  
publishers syndicate their content as an RSS Feed to whoever wants it.
Why RSS? Benefits and Reasons for using RSS

RSS solves a problem for people who regularly use the web. It allows  
you to easily stay informed by retrieving the latest content from the  
sites you are interested in. You save time by not needing to visit  
each site individually. You ensure your privacy, by not needing to  
join each site's email newsletter. The number of sites offering RSS  
feeds is growing rapidly and includes big names like Yahoo News.

What do I need to do to read an RSS Feed?
Feed Reader or News Aggregator software allow you to grab the RSS  
feeds from various sites and display them for you to read and use.

A variety of RSS Readers are available for different platforms. Some  
popular feed readers include Amphetadesk (Windows, Linux, Mac),  
FeedReader(Windows), and NewsGator (Windows - integrates with  
Outlook). There are also a number of web-based feed readers available.  
My Yahoo, Bloglines, and Google Reader are popular web-based feed  
readers.

Once you have your Feed Reader, it is a matter of finding sites that  
syndicate content and adding their RSS feed to the list of feeds your  
Feed Reader checks. Many sites display a small icon with the acronyms  
RSS, XML, or RDF to let you know a feed is available.

Cheers
- KG



On 26 Feb 2010, at 11:54 PM, Shyam M. Sayanekar  
sayane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Ripakshi, first of all will you please explain me so as to what  
 is RSS Feed, what does RSS stands for and how is it used?
 Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
 Telephone: 0251-2438457
 Mobile: +91 9920410788
 Skype ID- sayanekar
 - Original Message - From: Roopakshi Pathania
r_akshi_...@yahoo.com 
 
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] RSS Feeds was: web brouser in ubuntu



 Hi,

 To illustrate using RSS in Firefox, I will take the example of The  
 Hindu.

 1. Once on the website www.thehindu.com, look for the link RSS Fe 
 eds. For convenience, you can use the links list dialog box. This 
  is the RSS Feeds page for The Hindu:
 http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/rss/index.htm.
 2. There are a bunch of feeds on this page corresponding to  
 different sections of the newspaper. If you wish to subscribe to  
 all, you would have to manually subscribe to each one of them. So,  
 to start, press enter on the first one, which is the News Update.
 3. To add the feed of News Updates as a Live Bookmark, select Live  
 Bookmarks from Subscribe to this feed combo box. Then, press the  
 Subscribe Now button.
 4. Make your selections in the Live Bookmarks dialog box, which is  
 similar to the regular Bookmarks dialog.
 5. Now to view the feed items, go to the location you selected in  
 the previous dialog box, the default one is under the Bookmarks  
 Toolbar. It would be the last item in the sub menu opened by  
 pressing the Right arrow, and if you haven't changed the named it  
 will be labeled as The Hindu - News Updates.
 6. You can Right arrow again to open this sub menu and press enter  
 on each feed headline to reach the page with the news content.
 7. A better way is to use the Open All in Tabs option that is  
 always located at the bottom of every Bookmarks sub menu. All your  
 feed items will be opened as tabs in the same window. You can read  
 each page and then press CTRL+W to close the tab and automatically  
 go to the next one.

 Regards

 For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your  
 eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will  
 long to return.
 ~ Leonardo da Vinci


 --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Renuka Warrier eren...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Renuka Warrier eren...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [AI] web brouser in ubuntu
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 6:42 AM
 Actually the problem is in reading
 the news paper, since when we exit after reading any llink,
 the focus is shifted to the top of the page, rather remain
 to the visited link and have to arrow down to the next
 link,which consumes a lot of time. In the webb IE,
 this problem was not there and the time could be saved.

 Renuka.
 - Original Message - From: Arpit Jain  
 arpit@gmail.com
 To: 

Re: [AI] Accessible gps comparison

[Manish Agrawal]

Similar to my earlier comment on pointing people to the source of where you
are quoting from, most of the text below seems to have come from the cnet
review at:
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030106,49302553-2,00.htm 

Even if it was you who wrote the original review (which in this case is not
the case), it will be useful if you point people to the whole thing to help
them learn on their own.


-Manish
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of KARAN GUPTA
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:42 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible gps comparison

Firstly, it's Karan not Karen. Please do refer the archive of iPhone 3GS
where I mentioned about its accessibility options. In short, it comes with
built-in voice-over synthesizer exacltly like Mac and a built-in magnifier
and a add-on app for shake dialing. I won't recommend its voice over though
entirely based on its touch screen because there are always a loads of
confusion and trouble to access it accurately and speedly for my totally VI
friends unlike the other traditional phones, which gives you tactile
feedback. Having said that, its magnification technology is really state of
the art. Infact, once you use it - you get addicted of it somewhat like
zoomtext and even better than 'magic' on PC but all this features are really
very handy for low vision or partially-blind. About its performance: Among
the 3G S' new features, the unsung heroes have to be the improved
performance and battery life. Well, the improved performance is somewhat
sung, since the 'S' in the phone's name stands for 'speed'. Although it's
not as glamorous as cut-and-paste capability -- I never thought I'd be
writing that -- it improves the experience of using a phone that already
feels top of its class for responsiveness. The 3GS also supports voice
control, which suits me, since I like to yell to myself on the Delhi-Metro
to frighten off muggers. lol. It's activated by holding down the home button
or pressing the button on the included headphones. You can use it to control
the iPod functionality, as well for making calls. I was happy to see that it
supports UK/US English, so I didn't have to put on a Cupertino accent to
make myself understood. It had no trouble recognising who I wanted to phone
or what band I wanted to play, and it prompted me pleasantly when there were
several phone numbers on offer. Not a day goes by when I don't use in-built
GPS system, which is overall alright. I can track all that running with the
built-in GPS, and there's a compass to point me where I want to go in Google
Maps. It's also great for finding the correct exit from the London Tube or
Delhi Metro, but it isn't used in Google Street View in the very cool way
I've seen on the HTC Magic. I'm looking forward to what developers will do
with the compass app in the future. The landscape keyboard makes its way
into the messaging apps and Web browser in OS 3.0, which is great for
sausage-fingered typists, and could help if this is your first touchscreen
keyboard. I've always been big fans of the iPhone's keyboard, whether in
portrait or landscape orientation, because of its great predictive text.
It's even better than a full netbook keyboard for typing in the passenger
seat of my coach everytime I go out of town. OS 3.0 also includes MMS, so
you can send images, video, audio and contacts in text messages. It works
painlessly, but only images can be put in directly to a text. You can also
send links to locations from Google Maps, which is my favourite use of MMS.

For such a great entertainment phone with access to the iTunes store, I used
to be frustrated that I couldn't grab TV shows and movies as easily as
music. Thankfully, Apple's now remedied that, although I'm still annoyed
that we can't stream to podcasts. Damn the data costs.

Cheers
- KG



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Re: [AI] those who are attending the techshare india 2010

[Manish Agrawal]

Harish,
apologies for not responding to this earlier.
I've done a small write up on the tactile mouse at 
http://iaccessible.blogspot.com 
that describes the look and feel and functionality of the mouse. Hopefully,
this will give you a better idea than the tactile world website.

-Manish 

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of harish
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 4:59 PM
To: manis...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] those who are attending the techshare india 2010

Hi Manish

I went through the link you gave. Could not figure out what this device is 
all about and what it can do etc.
Would you please give some insight of it.
Harish.

- Original Message - 
From: Manish Agrawal manis...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] those who are attending the techshare india 2010


 Pranav and I will be on one of the booths presenting the tactile 
 mouse --
 an alpha/concept product from http://www.tactile-world.com

 Do drop by to chat.

 -Manish

 -Original Message-
 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kiran Kaja
 Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] those who are attending the techshare india 2010

 I will be there talking about AEGIS, which is a huge effort to create a 
 set
 of open source applications, software standards  and guidelines and even
 assistive technology on desktop, rich internet applications and Mobile.
 Platforms.

 I am also doing a demo of some basic new features in Windows 7. this one 
 is
 supposed to have been done by a colleague who dropped out at the last
 moment. So, I am not sure how well the demo will work but we can have a 
 nice
 discussion on Windows 7 I suppose.

 Regards,
 Kiran
 -Original Message-
 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu
 Chakravarthula
 Sent: 12 February 2010 06:22
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] those who are attending the techshare india 2010

 Folks,
 I'll be there and speaking on Need for Web Accessibility in Developing
 Countries: Yahoo! Initiatives on 16th post lunch.

 Also, an opportunity for you to meet Yahoo! Team and know our on-going
 efforts to make our products accessible. Meet us at stall F5.

 Drop me a line, if any of you want to schedule a seperate meeting.

 Cheers,
 Srinivasu

 On 2/12/10, prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 As you folks might be knowing that barier break technologies is going
 to organize the techshare India 2010 on 15th and 16th of feb.
 Since some of my good accessindian friends have called and told that
 they are attending the same, I too am thinking to attend it  as delhi
 is pretty near  to  jaipur, and  more importantly, my schedule permits
 this time.
 From  over 3 years I've found some nice friends through this list but
 never  got any chance to meet much of you folks.
 Considering this a prestigious and eminent event, I am expecting that
 many of you might be attending the same.
 I've almost finalized my plan to attend, so would like to know who all
 of you folks would be going there.
 Kindly send me e-mail OFF the list or call on my mobile phone to
 convey if you're going. This will give me a chance to meet you there.
 Please note that I might not attend the events on 16th, but I'll be
 there on 15th for exhibition and meet.
 Will look forward for your calls or e-mails, hope to meet at least
 some of you nice folks.

 regards,
 Prateek agarwal.
 cell: 09928341197.
 Skype:
 Prateek_agarwal32
 Wanna see inside me? My blog is the telescope:
 http://www.myfriendprateek.blogspot.com
 website:
 http://www.prateekagarwal.webs.com

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Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

[Manish Agrawal]

A couple more things:
1. Not all internal receivers are poor. On newer phones like nokia n79 and
the apple iphone, the internal receivers are just as good and sometimes even
better than external receivers. Internal receivers are able to use a
technology called a-gps (which uses data from mobile towers in addition to
satellites to triangulate). A-gps is available on only specific external
receivers.

2. When Pranav says below that only wayfinder and loadstone have maps for
India, he probably means the only 2 accessible products. Nokia maps is free
and they also have detailed maps for Delhi (and I am assuming for other
Indian cities as well) but are not usable with talks. I have used nokia maps
with sighted assistance and they give turn by turn direction announcements
that are just as good as wayfinder. Not to mention Google maps (I am looking
for a product that will give turn by turn announcements with Google maps).


 -Manish

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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers. 

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav




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Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

[Manish Agrawal]

Someone says below:snip I've used some here in India
 but most of the times I never got any valid GPS signals at all, which
force
 me to use Internet connection./snip
GPS signals are provided by satellites that are equally available in all
parts of the world.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gps 
At any point in time, you need to see 4 gps satellites in the sky to start,
which can go down to 3 once you have an initial location fix. So, your
feeling that you get a better gps signal in the US or UK than in India is a
misconception. 
Also, internet connectivity is required by most mobile based map providers,
including wayfinder/nokia/google and that is what uses internet much more
than a-gps. Internet connectivity on mobile phones is actually many times
cheaper in India as compared to the US. I have a fixed cost of rs. 99 on my
airtel connection for a month for about 50 MB (which I never use up with gps
alone) while it was about $40 a month on ATT when I was in the US.

A-gps is actually very helpful in getting a quicker initial location fix or
for continuing navigation in patches where enough satellites may not be
visible for some reason. 
Finally, if you have enough detailed maps, gps devices are just as
successful, if not more, in India as anywhere else in the world and I can
say that based on my daily usage here in Delhi and in other parts of the
globe.

-Manish

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of himalaya singh
Rawat
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:02 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

hello pranav,

you are right. wayfinder access is needed but seeing the current market
situation i doubt vodafone will revive it. nokia has freed its map and it
works good. the only this is that it has to be made accessible.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, KARAN GUPTA kara...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hiya

 My key issue is that, among all these compared GPS and A-GPS, related
 hardwares and softwares, how many of these work speedly and accurately. In
 all A-gps devices specifically meant for VH - almost all of them require a
 live Internet connection because only GPS won't be any use at all unless
it
 is A-GPS equipped and in A-GPS either you need a valid good GPS signals or
a
 live Internet connection built-in for your accurate  current position that
 can assist you properly to your destination. I've used some here in India
 but most of the times I never got any valid GPS signals at all, which
force
 me to use Internet connection. Even after that, the cost of using that
 Internet connection consistently is high enough 1-2 paisa/kb and I don't
get
 very much accuracy as it should be. On the other hand, the same devices
and
 softwares work almost perfectly in US  UK and I used more features there
in
 UK. Unless the connectivity options like a strong GPS signals or good 3G
 services do not match to all those GPS gizmos for VH, I can't think of
 owning the one. Please note that this preview strictly meant for my Indian
 VH friends only.

 Cheers
 - KG



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Re: [AI] those who are attending the techshare india 2010

[Manish Agrawal]

Pranav and I will be on one of the booths presenting the tactile mouse --
an alpha/concept product from http://www.tactile-world.com

Do drop by to chat.

-Manish 

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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kiran Kaja
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] those who are attending the techshare india 2010

I will be there talking about AEGIS, which is a huge effort to create a set
of open source applications, software standards  and guidelines and even
assistive technology on desktop, rich internet applications and Mobile.
Platforms.

I am also doing a demo of some basic new features in Windows 7. this one is
supposed to have been done by a colleague who dropped out at the last
moment. So, I am not sure how well the demo will work but we can have a nice
discussion on Windows 7 I suppose.

Regards,
Kiran
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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu
Chakravarthula
Sent: 12 February 2010 06:22
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] those who are attending the techshare india 2010

Folks,
I'll be there and speaking on Need for Web Accessibility in Developing
Countries: Yahoo! Initiatives on 16th post lunch.

Also, an opportunity for you to meet Yahoo! Team and know our on-going
efforts to make our products accessible. Meet us at stall F5.

Drop me a line, if any of you want to schedule a seperate meeting.

Cheers,
Srinivasu

On 2/12/10, prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 As you folks might be knowing that barier break technologies is going
 to organize the techshare India 2010 on 15th and 16th of feb.
 Since some of my good accessindian friends have called and told that
 they are attending the same, I too am thinking to attend it  as delhi
 is pretty near  to  jaipur, and  more importantly, my schedule permits
 this time.
 From  over 3 years I've found some nice friends through this list but
 never  got any chance to meet much of you folks.
 Considering this a prestigious and eminent event, I am expecting that
 many of you might be attending the same.
 I've almost finalized my plan to attend, so would like to know who all
 of you folks would be going there.
 Kindly send me e-mail OFF the list or call on my mobile phone to
 convey if you're going. This will give me a chance to meet you there.
 Please note that I might not attend the events on 16th, but I'll be
 there on 15th for exhibition and meet.
 Will look forward for your calls or e-mails, hope to meet at least
 some of you nice folks.

 regards,
 Prateek agarwal.
 cell: 09928341197.
 Skype:
 Prateek_agarwal32
 Wanna see inside me? My blog is the telescope:
 http://www.myfriendprateek.blogspot.com
 website:
 http://www.prateekagarwal.webs.com

 the best way to accomplish your softwares/websites development needs.
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Re: [AI] Draft petition to the railway Minister

[Manish Agrawal]

Harish, 
The draft looks useful. Here are some of my suggestions:
1. The sequence of items mentioned in the draft should be based on how
important we feel each of those to be. The first 2 points about concessions
to me are less important than the safety and ease of travel for disabled
passengers and I would move the sections related to accidents, tactile
markings, announcements, disabled coaches etc. to the top. Alternatively, we
can have the document divided into headings: Ticket reservations, Passenger
safety, Platform facilities and building design, employee sensitivity
trainings etc. These headings will make the document look better thought
through.

2. The document makes some factual statements like there have been several
accidents because of x reason or this will be more in line with
international treaties. It will be good to support these with references to
documentation/reports that may have come out from any inquiry committees or
with the name of the international treaties we are referring to here. 


3. The top of the letter mentions the scope of the document as including
disabled railway employees but the rest of the document only talks about
passengers. I think it will be better to focus only on passengers and not
bring up the equal opportunity employment issue here. It sort of dilutes the
intent of the letter.

4. The letter needs to make clear somewhere that the suggestions given here
are just samples of what can be done and the ministry can engage with
organizations/experts working in the disability field to come up with and
implement a comprehensive solution with a clear plan to address the quick
wins in the short term and starting larger initiatives on an ongoing basis.
The document does refer to this in the last section but I don't think
collaboration with people working in the disability field is brought out
from the language used.

The above are just my views and not meant to criticize anyone. I think this
is a very useful initiative.

Regards,
Manish
 

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:58 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Draft petition to the railway Minister

Hi all,
1. We need tactile markings before every set of stairs.

2. We are asking for Braille signage. How will we know where the signs are
located?

3. There are displays which show which train will come on which platform.
There are also displays on the platform which give you where a particular
coach will be situated. This allows you to stand in that position and board
the coach with comfort. We need access to both pieces of information. As
regards the first part about the train coming on a given platform,
announcements  are made but they are made when the train is about to come on
the platform. Things are very crowded at that time and some trains stop for
a very short time. So, we need the information on those displays so that we
can get to the platform in advance.   

4. There should be a querying mechanism that will allow passengers to
determine the current location of the train. You could have announcements
but what do you do in trains that travel over night? You won't want to be
disturbed with station location announcements in the middle of the night.

Pranav




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Re: [AI] Accessing the continue link in HDFC Bank's third partyfunds transfer pages

[Manish Agrawal]

Pranav, 
A long shot: try an older version of jaws. I can see some links on Web pages
with jaws 10 that I cannot see with jaws 11 -- this apparently has to do
with some defaults related to graphics size settings being different between
the 2 versions of jaws.
Alternatively, you could try increasing the minimum and maximum graphics
size options in the jaws graphics options -- I read about this on a jaws
scripting related list.
 
-Manish
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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Dhanak
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 6:37 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Accessing the continue link in HDFC Bank's third
partyfunds transfer pages

Sir,
in that case , there must be some technical flaw.
May be you can check with the customer care.

Regards,
Ajay



On 2/7/10, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote:
 Ajay,

 Your assumptions are valid. My problem is that I cannot see the continue
 link after selecting the beneficiary and the account from which I want to
 transfer.

 Pranav




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Re: [AI] Problems pertaining to disability certificates

[Manish Agrawal]

One problem I am facing right now and I believe others are likely to face in
the near future is related to the form 10-IA required for availing tax
rebate under section 80U.
Until last year, I had been submitting a certificate issued by AIIMS for the
80U deduction. However, this year the accounts department people have dug
out this form 10-IA issued by the income tax department that needs to be
filled and signed by a doctor and CMO etc. of a govt hospital. 
The AIIMS people are refusing to sign this form 10-IA saying that they will
only sign the certificate they issue and not any other form issued by any
other govt department. 
The accounts department have refused to accept the AIIMS certificate this
year. 
So, I am in a pretty spot and will appreciate any suggestions from the group
here.

PS: the form 10-IA on the income tax web site does not have visual
disability mentioned. However, the same form issued by the IT department in
some booklet does have visual disability as an option. The accounts
department people were nice enough to have scanned that booklet and send the
correct form to me. 


Regards,
Manish
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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of moiz tundawala
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:00 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Problems pertaining to disability certificates

Hi
I wish to look into difficulties persons with disabilities confront
with in matters pertaining to the issuance of disability certificates.
I request all of you who have faced any problems while getting
certificates issued, in having them recognized by authorities in
different States/Union Territories, in getting access to benefits and
services on the basis of such certificates etc to please write to me
off the list. Also, it will be wonderful if you could refer me to
people who have worked on this before and have come up with some
documentation in this regard.
My email address- moiztundaw...@gmail.com
I reiterate- Please write to me on my personal id and avoid traffic on the
list.

Your cooperation will be much appretiated.
Best,
Moiz.


-- 
Moiz Tundawala
5th Year, B.A./B.Sc. LLB Hons.,
West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences,
NUJS Bhavan, 12 LB, Sector III, Salt Lake City,
Kolkata, 700 098

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Re: [AI] VMWare;Vurtual box etc, which one is accessible?

[Manish Agrawal]

I've used VMware and find it to be fairly accessible. Make sure that you set
up the sound card correctly on your virtual machines so that you can install
and run jaws on them. By default, the basic machine image has the sound
option turned off.

I have used virtual machines installed on several other virtualization
platforms but haven't worked with the virtualization console itself, so,
cannot say how accessible those are.

Hope this helps.




On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Friends,

 Would be grateful if someone can tell me about the accessibility of these
 softwares for vurtualization, means with which I should go. And, about the
 scripts of these softwares if any.
 Basically I am interested in portable versions of these softwares. Wish to
 run an OS.
 Waiting for your suggestions.

 Regards,

 Amar Jain.

 Website: http://amarjain.com/


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Re: [AI] Help required

[Manish Agrawal]

using alt + n usually brings up the menu in the information bar, which
has the context specific options like allowing a popup or allowing
download of a file etc.

HTH.

On 1/13/09, sabari priya sabari...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Sir,

 How can I access the information bar?
 If there is any problem in the information bar, how can I solve it.

 Any suggestion is welcome.

 Thanks and Regards.

 R. Sabari Priya

 On 1/11/09, Janardhana Naidu janardhananaid...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hollow Sir/madam,
 Thanks for inter ducting very good site for children. I could open it.
 There may be problem with information bar.
 Thanks and regards,
 Janardhana Naidu.
 - Original Message -
 From: sabari priya sabari...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:43 PM
 Subject: [AI] Help required


 Hello Members,

 I am not able to access the website
 www.babloo.com
 When i open the site, it has no links.  How can I access this site?
 Please help me.

 Any suggestion is welcome.

 R. Sabari Priya.



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Re: [AI] a way finder access experience on a trip to Jaipurr

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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Kulkarni Suresh G 
kulkarnisures...@yahoo.co.in wrote:

 Which make? What would the cost.
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 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:39 AM
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[AI] Math OCR and math reading - InftyReader

[Manish Agrawal]

Hi,
I recently ran into the problem of needing to read some books on algorithms.
I had several books available in pdf and html formats and a couple as hard
copies that I scanned manually.
The problem with all these books was that they had a lot of math symbols and
equations that I could not get either fine reader or kurzweil to OCR
properly. All the math equations and symbols will either come out garbled or
not at all.
Pranav pointed me to the InftyReader at
http://www.inftyproject.org/en/index.html

This is a software for math OCR and also for math reading by the blind from
a Japanese research institution.
The results from InftyReader were significantly better for me than both
fine-reader and kurzweil.
Although I am still experimenting with the trial version, the output I have
so far is definitely sufficient for my purposes.
The only drawback is the price tag of $900, which I am sure I do not want to
pay for something that I use so infrequently.



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Re: [AI] Introducing way-finder-access

[Manish Agrawal]

You can get a demo for 10 days.
Also, as I use the software, I am realizing that not all phones may be
equally suited to work well for this. e.g. my nokia 6600 looses gprs
connectivity intermittently after a few minutes of use. Restarting the phone
seems to fix the problem for some time.
 This may be because my phone is now about 5 years old but I have heard from
other gprs users of newer phone models that this is not a problem with them.
So, I have to switch my 6600 off and on several times on a route of about 20
KM or 1 hour approx. This is quite frustrating and I am thinking of buying a
new handset.
If there are other nokia 6600 users on the list who use gprs services and
can share their experiences, it will be of help to me.

Regards,
Manish

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Dipendra Manocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 The site says that the demo can be activated for some days. I do not know
 exact days of trial. Activation of trial is possible after installation
 from
 the software itself.
 Thanks
 Dipendra


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 Patil
 Sent: 31 October 2008 20:31
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 Subject: Re: [AI] Introducing way-finder-access

 Hi!
 I have another question . Is it possible to use this software as a demo
 verssion for a specific period? If so, how long can we use it in trial mode
 and what will be the process for the same.
 Thanks and regards
 Rohiet
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  The internet is required whenever route calculation is done which
  happens quite frequently. The internet is also required at startup
  since it is used to check the license.
 
  Pranav
 
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  Kapoor
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  If that be the case, then for people like me would certainly cost a
  lot because in my pre-paid plan, the cost of using net is aprox 1
  Paisa per 2KB.
 
  Can anybody confirm as to what is the actual data consumption? Does it
  regularly require the net, if not or occasionally, then WiFi could be
  the best solution.
  Vikas Kapoor,
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  Mobile: (+91) 9891098137.
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  Hi Amiyo,
 
  You do need an internet connection to use the program. The cost
  depends on your mobile phone service provider.
 
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Re: [AI] Screen readers for I-pods

[Manish Agrawal]

I use rockbox, which is an open source firmware for several MP3 players that
allows you to have all the menus and commands on the player become
self-voicing and allows the creation of voice tags for all music files and
folders that you copy to the device -- effectively acting as a screen
reader.
Before buying the MP3 player, check on the website www.rockbox.org to see if
the specific model you are buying is supported or not.

HTH,
Manish

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Roshan Rajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Access indians,
 Needed a small piece of information.
 I am planning to purchase a creative I-Pod.
 Wanted to know if there is any screen reader software that will help
 me navigate through the menus  folders.

 Please help.

 Regards,
  Roshan

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Re: [AI] Convention feedback

[Manish Agrawal]

Hi all,
I wanted to express my gratitude to Harish, Kanchan and everyone who
organized and attended this convention.
It was an enriching experience for me. It was inspiring to meet so many
achievers and so much talent all at the same place. i found most of the
sessions facinating  -- starting from the keynote address (which I've put an
entry about on my blog as well) to the self-employment sessions by Sidharth
and Vikram, the tech sessions in the second half of the first day, the very
well presented session on braille (I'm learning braille these days), to the
ones on the importance of soft skills and eticates and independent living
and how to make yourself more employable. I could go on and on...
Overall, I came back totally satisfied and with a sense of having achieved a
lot in a small time.
Kudos to Harish and the team on a job well done. I'll do this again any
time.

Thanks again,
Manish


On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mohammed Asif Iqbal 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Harish,
 I have learned done thing in my life.  You can not make everyone happy.  I
 am sure that this is applicable here also.
 Cheers
 Asif

 - Original Message - From: Harish Kotian 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:40 AM

 Subject: Re: [AI] Convention feedback


 Hi Asif

 We certainly received an offer from Jamshedpur to host the next
 convention.

 We need to take a call if indeed organising it is a good idea. It takes
 considerable time and effort doing it and when feedback is distorted to
 facts it is no way encouraging to go for it all over again.

 Harish
 - Original Message - From: Mohammed Asif Iqbal 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Convention feedback


 Dear Harish,
 It sound like that convention was great success.  I am sure that
 organizers
 must have done a very good job at organizing the whole thing.
 Just curious to know when is the next convention and where it would be
 held?
 I am sure there must be a discussion during closure of this convention. I
 truly regret not being able to attend the convention due to my
 professional
 commitment.  However; look forward to attend next convention.
 Thanks and regards
 Asif

 - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31 PM
 Subject: [AI] Convention feedback


 Hello all

 I appreciate the feedback regarding the convention and take them all  in
 right spirit.
 Let me go over through it:

 1) Introduction of members was not done

 We were planning to it in a different way. We wanted introduction to be
 done by different persons and so was with offering bouquets to the
 speakers. This would get an opportunity for large number of participants
 to come to the stage and inderectly get introduced.

 We started with it all right, however it was taking more time and we had
 to abandon it all together.

 We had actually planned the introduction session during the cultural
 session which was scheduled at karnavati hostel. The Karnavati hostel
 had
 a nice gardenwhere we were planning to keep it. Some logistic problems
 proped up and the cultural programme had to be done at the auditorium

 2 Segregation of its own members:

 I am not aware of any segregation but this is of paramount concern to me
 if any member felt so. I would have appreciated if members should have
 brought it to my notice and I could have taken a remedial action. All
 the
 members with whom I interacted with did not put forth any such feedback.
 All the feedbacks which kept pouring in the last session was very
 positive.

 3) dearth of volunteers:
 I agree , this could have been better and something to work on in future

 4) the lousy preparation in terms of  broadcasting this convention :

 I am afraid, I can't take this. Firstly I had not made any promisses on
 it
 and  offered to  make an attempt on reaching there. Network fascility
 was
 indeed arranged but some glitch took place while connecting the laptop
 to
 the hub which could not be resolved and enough effort could not be done
 on
 it due to other compelling priorities.

 5) Imbalanced time to speakers:
 I have a contrary take on it. I am in fact happy our programme hostess
 did
 not allow any session to get choked which usually takes place in such
 presentations and judiously intervened when ever required. Keeping
 sensitive to participants request she also gave an additional slot
 obliging requests made to her. Comming particularly to your session, it
 was very unfortunat that incidently your session got scheduled on the
 last
 part of the day and we had to clos in as members had to take their
 journey
 back. I can assure it was not intended and was only incedental.

 6)time management:
 I don't think we fared badly on that as no time was wasted between
 sessions. Things went smoothly and good enough 

Re: [AI] SBI and online banking

[Manish Agrawal]

I have a savings a/c in SBI and use the online banking. It seems to be
sufficiently accessible.
I haven't had a chance to get an ATM issued because I opened this a/c long
ago when ATMs were not common and I don't use this a/c regularly to need
one.
I have never had problems with check books and signatures with this bank.


On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all,

 Could anyone with a Savings account in SBI inform me as to whether its
 online banking facility is sufficiently accessible with Jaws? Did you have
 problems opening an account or obtaining checkbook/ATM card from the bank?
 Can all transactions including money transfers be performed online?

 I require this information rather quickly and would be grateful for a
 speedy response.
 Many thanks.
 Geetha

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Re: [AI] Using virtual keyboard with Jaws

[Manish Agrawal]

Citibank uses images for the virtual keyboard without alt text for those
images. HSBC provides alt text for the images in the virtual keyboard. I
find it convenient to switch the document presentation to screen layout in
jaws options while using the HSBC virtual keyboard -- saves me a lot of
arrowing around.
you could potentially use the placemarker  feature in jaws to once label
some of the keys on the virtual keyboard with sighted help and then use them
later. However, the placemarker feature is not accurate in the sens that it
usually lands me on an approximate location rather than the exact location
where I created it.

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Vikas Kapoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That entirely depends upon your site configuration, for example, if the
 site
 is displaying the virtual keyboard in an image form, as the City bank does,
 it is very difficult, but if, on the contrary, if it is displaying the same
 in the text, as the State Bank does, it can certainly be used!
 Vikas Kapoor,
 MSN Id:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], YahooSkype Id:
 dl_vikas,
 Mobile: (+91) 9891098137.
  - Original Message -
 From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Access india accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:57 PM
 Subject: [AI] Using virtual keyboard with Jaws


 Hello all,

 Is it possible to use the virtual keyboard with Jaws? One of the online
 screens of my bank displays a virtual keyboard for keying in the password
 which I am currently unable to access.

 Thanks,
 Geetha


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Re: [AI] Using virtual keyboard with Jaws

[Manish Agrawal]

Try reaching a person higher up the ranks than the one you got to speak
withmaybe that will help.

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Yes indeed, I am having problems with accessing the virtual keyboard on the
 Citibank site. What is wierd though is that when logging into the Citibank
 site, they offer an alternative to those who are unable to use virtual
 keyboard. However, when verifying credit cards, they do not provide that
 alternative. When I brought this up with Citibank, they claimed that the
 verification page is maintained by the credit card provider and not by
 Citibank. This is blatant falsehood.Also, the numbers on the virtual
 keyboard are labeled, but the alphabets are not.

 Geetha
 - Original Message -
 From: Manish Agrawal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [AI] Using virtual keyboard with Jaws


  Citibank uses images for the virtual keyboard without alt text for those
  images. HSBC provides alt text for the images in the virtual keyboard. I
  find it convenient to switch the document presentation to screen layout
 in
  jaws options while using the HSBC virtual keyboard -- saves me a lot of
  arrowing around.
  you could potentially use the placemarker  feature in jaws to once label
  some of the keys on the virtual keyboard with sighted help and then use
  them
  later. However, the placemarker feature is not accurate in the sens that
  it
  usually lands me on an approximate location rather than the exact
 location
  where I created it.
 
  On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Vikas Kapoor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  That entirely depends upon your site configuration, for example, if the
  site
  is displaying the virtual keyboard in an image form, as the City bank
  does,
  it is very difficult, but if, on the contrary, if it is displaying the
  same
  in the text, as the State Bank does, it can certainly be used!
  Vikas Kapoor,
  MSN Id:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], YahooSkype Id:
   dl_vikas,
  Mobile: (+91) 9891098137.
   - Original Message -
  From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Access india accessindia@accessindia.org.in
  Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:57 PM
  Subject: [AI] Using virtual keyboard with Jaws
 
 
  Hello all,
 
  Is it possible to use the virtual keyboard with Jaws? One of the online
  screens of my bank displays a virtual keyboard for keying in the
 password
  which I am currently unable to access.
 
  Thanks,
  Geetha
 
 
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Re: [AI] Bank Guidelines

[Manish Agrawal]

Did some googling to find out what others in the world do about this.
Affixing seals appears to be the favoured mechanism as per the following
discussion thread - with people from the US, Japan, China etc.:
http://www.washington.edu/doit/Newsletters/May06/16.html

Pasting below for people who have difficulty following the above link (BTW,
the below text doesn't look properly formatted on my machine...but this is
the best I could get):
 The Thread—Making Your Mark
--

by Sheryl Burgstahler http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb/, DO-IT Director


A DO-IT Mentor recently posed the following question within our Internet
discussion forum. I will share with you some of the responses so that you
can get the flavor of the many rich and informative conversations in our
DO-IT community.

*How do people, who physically have difficulty in using a pen, write their
signatures when they pay by check or credit card? Are there any useful
implements or alternative ways for them to do this?*

*DO-IT Mentor:* Using a debit card is one alternative. However, writing a
signature is still frequently asked for. I am not sure if we can escape from
it completely. However, in my country, Japan, signatures are not common.

We use seals (stamps) instead. People who cannot write usually ask somebody
else to stamp their seal for them and the result is the same whomever does
it. Keeping their own seal is a good proof.

I personally hope that writing signatures will become much simpler using
technology so that in the near future people can do this independently.
Electronic money has been a big theme in recent years, with the big question
being how does one keep personal information secure? Can I ask how this
signature challenge is coped with in the US today?

*DO-IT Mentor with Cerebral Palsy:* Years ago I wrote my signature on the
computer using CorelDRAW™ and my trackball, and then I had a stamp made of
it. Maybe 5% of the time people question the legality of it, but I have not
had too much trouble. When I don't have my stamp, I have someone print my
name and then they sign next to it with the word by followed by his/her
name.

*DO-IT Mentor who has no functional use of hands:* Something I should
mention about a signature stamp is that the person using it should have it
notarized to make it technically legal.

*'94 DO-IT Scholar with limited functional use of hands:* Speaking of a
signature stamp, I have one myself, and I love it. One thing that my bank
asked of me is to give them a copy of the stamped signature, which is just
for the safety for both me and them.

*'94 DO-IT Scholar with limited functional use of hands:* Also I forgot to
mention that my bank only accepted a signature stamp with my actual
signature. It could not be generated from a computer for security reasons.

*'99 DO-IT Scholar with limited functional use of hands:* I can hold a pen
for writing. It looks like a little child's writing. I also had a stamp
made, which can usually be done at any US office store.

*DO-IT Mentor:* I have a friend who is barely able to hold a pen. He just
signs an x where his signature is supposed to be. As long as store
employees see him do it, he hasn't had any problems.

*DO-IT Mentor with visual impairment:* One tool that can help, but is
usually associated with vision loss, is a signature guide. It helps contain
the signature in the correct position. It comes in paper, plastic, and metal
and is inexpensive.

There are also pens that have a fatter and rougher grip. Examples/sources
include:
http://www.maxiaids.com/
http://www.disabilitysupplies.co.uk/

Also check out sites like
http://www.msnewengland.org/msconnection/summer2002/assist.html

*'98 Scholar who is blind:* Thanks for describing signature guides. I was
going to comment on the signature guides but I was unsure how to describe
them.

*'95 Scholar who has limited use of hands:* I sort of have the opposite
problem. I often get the comment that I should get a stamp, but I am
perfectly capable of signing my own signature. If businesses had their
counters down at the level they are supposed to be, I wouldn't have a
problem (or in some cases they don't have a counter at all, and expect you
to sign in a windowsill with the metal window track right in the middle
underneath the paper). I find it insulting when someone suggests I get a
stamp, when the problem is their ridiculously high counters and not an
inability on my part.

*DO-IT Mentor with Cerebral Palsy:* This reminds me of my grandfather who
used his Chinese seal back in the 1940's in certain financial transactions
and to issue certain military orders. He was a general in the Chinese
Revolution.

I normally sign my own credit card slips by hand. I try to make it
consistent, but I don't. I notice that others just scribble something that
is illegible so it seems to be no big deal nowadays. However, if you are in
an escrow office to buy or sell a house, you need your signature to be
readable.

On the 

Re: [AI] Suggestions requested for the convention

[Manish Agrawal]

1. Discussion of mobility trainings/aids for the blind and what can we do to
make our cities more accessible.
2. Possibility of guide dogs in India.
3. Discussion on research opportunities (both technology and human) and ways
of involving educational institutions like engineering colleges and medical
/ behavioral schools in those research activities.
4. updates on accessibility of print materials through daisy and other
options.
5. Legal battles that are underway and have been won/lost in the recent past
and what is needed /on the horizon.

will post more if I can think of anything else.




On 7/3/08, Harish Kotian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi All
 I am delighted with the great suggestions which are flowing through.

 I have already set working on getting the key persons for it.

 Harish.

 - Original Message -
 From: Amit Bhatt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Suggestions requested for the convention


  Addition to this, a workshop on scope of self employment opportunities
 for
  visually impaired people where we can have a discussion on new
 prospective
  of business rather than focusing on the traditional self-employment areas
  like STD Booth and etc.
  Apart from all these workshops, we should conduct some group activity or
  game, musical performances etc in cultural activity cession to make the
  convention more luscious and amusing.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Amit Bhatt
  - Original Message -
  From: Vasu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
  Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [AI] Suggestions requested for the convention
 
 
  Hi,
 
  Another thought is to a discussion on what is the kind of training and
  services would be needed to generate more employment avenues and how
 NGOs
  can get help from experts in this regard. It may help lots of NGOs to
  upgrade their existing services and more people with disabilities would
  benefit from career prospective.
 
  Just my thoughts.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mohammed Asif Iqbal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:18 AM
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
  Subject: Re: [AI] Suggestions requested for the convention
 
  Hi Harish,
  just thinking out loud.  May be session on
  workplace solutions.
  Work place challenges and approach for overcoming them.
  Latest assistive technology and trend in India
  Job opportunities for blind/ visually impaired in It/ Non It.
  Will put up more thoughts as I come across.
  Asif
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Harish Kotian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
  Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:36 PM
  Subject: [AI] Suggestions requested for the convention
 
 
  Hello all
 
  As I had mentioned in the introductory mail announcing the convention,
 it
  will be my endavour to make the programmes in the convention driven by
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Re: [AI] Help regarding career

[Manish Agrawal]

The materials are also not such a problem actually. A lot of the subjects 
covered in MCA (and I am assuming BCA) use books by international authors. A 
lot of these books are available from RFBD and similar libraries (so, find a 
way of sourcing your materials from there). 
I was able to get most of the books either through RFBD or directly in soft 
copies (may not be the same author as being taught in the class) during my MCA.
Subjects like Mathematics and Operational research were slightly more complex 
to get to than others but overall materials wasn't my biggest worry during the 
MCA.
It was more the struggle with authorities around being able to submit typed 
assignments instead of hand-written ones (believe me they still want them hand 
written), using the scribe of my choice in the exams and then convincing them 
that all those extra sheets were being filled by me and not by the scribe 
himself/herself :)

All in all it is pretty doable once you get down to doing it. Get yourself a 
laptop and start doing a lot of programming and math right away and don't wait 
for the class to get to a particular topic ...because when they do get there, 
they'll probably go much faster than you.
Also, prepare hard and try to get into a good college through competition. That 
helps you get placed into a job when you are done.

All the best:

Manish 

 

 

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Hi Arpit,

Your primary problem will be getting material in accessible format.  You
really can't prepare for this.  You need to take this one step at a time.
The other hurdles that I see is you having to clear competitive exams.
Again, you would need to get preparatory material in accessible format.
Also, you would need to have to engage with the authorities regarding any
accommodations you need.

The courses themselves will not be such an issue.  The hurdle of getting
material in accessible format remains.  You will also have to find a way of
rendering mathematical content effectively.  As long as your professors
co-operate, this is not a significant issue.

You need to be very familiar with the tools and technology you use.  Other
than that, research the materials you need thoroughly.

Pranav

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Hello! All

 

I am interested in graduating in BCA and later on carrying in MCA, but a
little perturbed about the hurdles I need to cross in doing so. 

I will be highly obliged if  anyone who himself/herself done graduation in
the same guide me regarding what I need to take care of and what is the
minimum resources which are necessary in doing so.

 which I should be having.

 

Thankyou in anticipation of your help

 

Profound regards

 

Arpit Jain

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Re: [AI] not reading in word

[Manish Agrawal]

Upgrade to jaws 9. I haven't encountered this problem since the upgrade.


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hi
it reads by paragraphs and sentence but not with simple down arrow
command.
in rft format also this limitation is experienced.
now what's the solution?

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Subject: Re: [AI] not reading in word


 Is the problem with a specific document or with all documents?
 Does jaws read by paragraph (ctrl + arrow)?
 Have you tried changing the view to normal from the view menu in
Word?
 Have you tried copying the contents of that document and pasting into
a
 new document in word and also in a plain text editor like notepad?

 Answers to the above questions may help resolve your problem or help
me
 give you some more pointers.
 If possible, upgrade to jaws 9. Jaws 8 had several bugs related to MS
 word.

 Regards,
 Manish


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 try reinstalling office xp, as perhaps it is not properly installed.
 office xp comes in two c.ds try to install both and you will receive
 all benifits.
 drun.

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 try setting zoom to 75% or page width. under view menu, go to zoom
and
 try
 the above specifications.
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  hello friends,
  I'm using xp with office xp and jaws 8.
  currently, word is not reading the document with arrow keys
  it reads only by say all command.
  I've repaired, reinstalled jaws but with no gain.
  what to do now?
  please help.
  thanks and regards
  anjali
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Re: [AI] JAWS Compability with Vista

[Manish Agrawal]

I use jaws 9 with vista business.
 It works ok mostly. However, it doesn't deal very well with the new
transparent windows introduced in vista and sometimes ends up reading
the contents of the window behind the one in the foreground (specially
with the jaws cursor). Sometimes, the alt+tab combination is stuck and
rotates between just 2 windows.
I seem to get a blue screen (crash) more frequently with jaws running.
In windows explorer, it is sometimes tricky to navigate because jaws
seems to loose focus.
There are a few other minor irritants that I don't recall right away.
I updated the install with the latest release for 9.0 recently and
haven't worked with it much to see if any of the above have improved.

Regards,
Manish


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Jaws version 9 works very well with Windows Vista.  Most of this
information
is from second-hand sources.  However, I briefly tried Jaws on Windows
Vista
and did not face any issues.

Pranav


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Re: [AI] Policy urgent

[Manish Agrawal]

I've pasted below the sections on which I have comments along with my
comments marked with [MA]
-Manish


2. Examination Form/Application 

a. All Application Forms/Advertisements for exams should mention that a
Visually Disabled candidate will be allowed the use of a Scribe and
alternative formats will be provided. 

b. The examining authority should give a clear option in the
advertisement itself whether the examinee wishes the scribe to be
provided by the examination conducting body or he/she wishes to arrange
the scribe on his/her own.

c. The Examining authority at the time of advertisement/application
should also print the criteria/qualification for scribe to be followed. 

d. The application form should have a provision asking low vision
persons to indicate the requirement of question paper in large print.
The advertisement for examination as well as the application form should
also clearly mention that the low vision persons would be allowed the
use of magnifying glass.




[MA] Points b and c above should read differently. In point b use
advertisement/application. And in point c, clarify that the criteria
is simply reproduced from this policy with the specifics about stream
and candidate levels spelled out and the examination authority does not
have the power to change/modify/add any other specifications for the
scribe.


3. Scribes chosen by Candidate 
 

a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own
scribe/writer, the scribe/writer   should be one grade junior in
academic qualification than the candidate if from the same stream.
However, this condition shall not apply if the scribe/writer is from a
different stream.

b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below
the eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration.

c. For internal exams of schools and colleges the condition of the
scribe being one grade junior in academic qualification than the
candidate should not be enforced strictly as this would cause undue
hardship to the candidate and give rise to unviable solutions.   

[MA] Point b above is not correct for competitive exams. Competitive
exams are all about practice and studying about the subject at that
point. E.g. a person who has already finished MBA is not likely to be
able to help an MBA candidate more than a student still doing
under-graduation.
Point b is more valid for academic exams e.g. a student of B. Com. 3rd
year may be able to unduly help a student of second year. In either
case, cheating can be prevented by invigilation and this restriction
should be removed.




4. Scribes provided by Examining Authorities
 
a. Considering the practical problems, it is necessary that even if the
scribe is provided by the examination conducting authorities, at the
request of examinee, such authorities must ensure the competence of the
scribe/writer. If the scribe is provided by the examining authorities,
it should be ensured that the scribe is adequately qualified to
understand the questions and to explain them to the candidate. 

b. To ensure the competence of such a scribe provided, the following
conditions should be adhered to:

i.  as far as possible and practical, the scribe himself/herself
should be a current student;

ii. In any case, the time interval between when such a scribe ceased
to be a student himself/herself and the time he/she is acting as a
scribe should not be more than three years, because with the lapse of
time, natural abilities of a student like writing speed, taking
dictation and writing an examination efficiently in a specified time
frame, suffer a considerable decline. However strict adherence to this
requirement cannot be stretched beyond a logical point.

[MA] The last 2 conditions are applicable to academic exams only. For
exams in govt./corporate institutions like banks, it will be incorrect
to use a student as a scribe.



d. The Chief invigilator of the examination center should have
discretionary powers to accept last minute change of scribes under
exigencies.
[ma] Even if the required authority is not available for some reason
when this last minute change needs to be made, the scribe should be
allowed and the relevant authority can retrospectively review that the
scribe used was in accordance with this policy.


f. The letter approving the scribe should contain the following
information in writing:
i. The extra time given to the candidate 
ii. He shall be seated separately
iii. Contact address and phone number of competent authority should also
be printed for last minute change of scribe.
[MA] Institutions like DU have ambiguous and discriminatory rules about
when this letter can be issued. The policy here should require the
examining authority to clearly state this process in the
advertisement/application/examination rules and this requirement should
not be unjust e.g. one day before the exam in case of some DU exams and
a similar constraint in case of CAT for MBA. 
For all exams, a letter 

Re: [AI] How do I increase my fluency in spoken english?

[Manish Agrawal]

Also, read read and read (anything from fiction to news and whatever
else you can lay your hands on)...to add to what geetha says :)
reading good english improves vocabulary and grammar and you find out
about different ways of saying the same thing (I am sure I knew a single
word for this).

-Manish
 

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Shamanna
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Hi Imran,

The best way to improve your spoken English is to speak the language as
much 
as possible. Try speaking it at college with friends whenever possible. 
There is no shortcut to improving one's English; just speak, speak,
speak.

Geetha
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 Dear friends

 My intuition tells me that most of us are quite OK at our written 
 english, although some of us (like me) make errors not often while 
 writing. But well-educated guys and gals  like us ought to speak
fluently 
 without stuttering and fumbling with the words. Otherwise what is the
use 
 of our other elegance, especially in this englishified world? 
 Absolutely nothing.
 As is the case, all of us who are undergoing this very problem would
be 
 greatful to you if you could share your known expertise and techniques

 which would set us going and growing in this regard

 With best wishes
 Syed Imran
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Re: [AI] Jaws support for oracle

[Manish Agrawal]

do you have the java access bridge installed? The access bridge helps
somewhat in case of the oracle db tools. I am guessing it may help in
the erp tools as well.
Also write to oracle support directly...you may need to follow up a lot
but it may help in the longer term.

-Manish 

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Dear list members,

I am undergoing a basic training in oracle HRMS, but jaws is not
supporting this ERP package.
It doesn't read out anything that is being displayed on the screen.
Please help me

Your quick and timely assistance in this regard will be highly
appreciated.

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Thanking you in anticipation

Regards,
Ajay

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