Re: [AFMUG] AF5 powered with mimosa POE

2018-02-15 Thread TJ Trout
AF5 I meant On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > AF5x is... I assume an AF5 would be too, but I haven't ever tried it. My > experience has been that pretty much anything that does PoE on a gigabit > port is polarity agnostic. > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 2:25 PM, TJ Trout wro

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 powered with mimosa POE

2018-02-15 Thread Mathew Howard
AF5x is... I assume an AF5 would be too, but I haven't ever tried it. My experience has been that pretty much anything that does PoE on a gigabit port is polarity agnostic. On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 2:25 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > Does anyone know if the AF6 is polarity agnostic? > > It calls for 1245+

[AFMUG] AF5 powered with mimosa POE

2018-02-15 Thread TJ Trout
Does anyone know if the AF6 is polarity agnostic? It calls for 1245+ 3678- but I have a mimosa POE only and it's a different pinout I think it's 1236 +4578- Has anyone tested? Smoke? TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
> > Velociter Wireless > > 209-838-1221 x115 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:31 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install > > > > I can'

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-20 Thread Josh Luthman
t; > > Chris Wright > > Network Administrator > > Velociter Wireless > > 209-838-1221 x115 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:31 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFM

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-20 Thread Chris Wright
To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install I can't appreciate that now, I'm too busy getting dizzy from the shaky hands! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailt

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-19 Thread Josh Luthman
gt;> And what a professional job they did securing the cable. >>> >>> >>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke >>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 2:29 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install >>> >>> I

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-19 Thread Eric Kuhnke
securing the cable. >> >> >> *From:* Eric Kuhnke >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 2:29 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install >> >> If I do that then you truly can't appreciate how windy it was! >> >&

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-19 Thread Josh Luthman
nd what a professional job they did securing the cable. > > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 2:29 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install > > If I do that then you truly can't appreciate how windy it was! > > Also, y

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
That install was truly awful, is it a metal fatigue experiment? And what a professional job they did securing the cable. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 2:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install If I do that then you truly can't appreciate how

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I can't appreciate that now, I'm too busy getting dizzy from the shaky hands! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > If I do that then you truly can't appreciate how windy it was! > >

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-19 Thread Eric Kuhnke
If I do that then you truly can't appreciate how windy it was! Also, you can't see it on the video, but the skinny wobbling pole that AF5 is on is U-bolted onto what looks like the leftover center post from a 1.8 meter size C-band TVRO satellite dish. It still has the azimuth/elevation adjustment

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Go in to the video options and it should ask if you want to stabilize the video. Please say yes =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I can top that... This is somebody's AF5 I

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-19 Thread Mathew Howard
That is beautiful! and I thought some of the stuff I've done was bad... On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I can top that... This is somebody's AF5 I saw on a hilltop in eastern > WA. I'm a bit shaky with my phone video due to the high winds, but the pole > with the AF5

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-19 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I can top that... This is somebody's AF5 I saw on a hilltop in eastern WA. I'm a bit shaky with my phone video due to the high winds, but the pole with the AF5 on it is much shakier still. It looked even worse in person, the AF5 was all over the place in the strongest gusts. https://www.youtube.c

Re: [AFMUG] Af5 awful install

2015-11-19 Thread Lewis Bergman
Maybe they got the end confused. Still, you would think when they saw it pointing at the ground they would question something. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, 11:29 AM That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > My phone pic does not do this justice, this belongs in the hall of shame. > It'

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Caleb Knauer
>>>>> >>>>> Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X >>>>> would arrive >>>>> On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, "Jeremy" >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My adapter

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Ken Hohhof
It would make me want to take a trip out to the tower after those customer support calls from hell. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 8:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Wo that's a good picture!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Josh Luthman
gt;>>>> these, as it is actually the back that you replace. Cool! >>>>> >>>>> Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X >>>>> would arrive >>>>> On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, "Jeremy" w

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Jeremy
batch of AF5X >>>>> would arrive >>>>> On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, "Jeremy" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not >>>>>> sure yet. These ones that I sent a p

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Josh Luthman
;>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>>> What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts >>>>> to dual slant)? >>>>> >>>>> I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Jeremy
nverts >>>> to dual slant)? >>>> >>>> I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Jeremy >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Josh Reynolds
he one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? *From:* Jeremy <mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Jeremy
that also converts >>>> to dual slant)? >>>> >>>> I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Jeremy >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Jaime Solorza
o be like >>> 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. >>> >>> On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>>> So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed >>>> backhaul? >>>> >>

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Jaime Solorza
sed >>>> backhaul? >>>> >>>> What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few >>>> milliseconds and very constant? >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasti

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Mathew Howard
their adapter kit (the one that also converts >>> to dual slant)? >>> >>> I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? >>> >>> >>> *From:* Jeremy >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com &

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Jeremy
gt; > I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? > > > *From:* Jeremy > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X > > > Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the > top two p

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Mike Hammett
From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 12:27:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? From: Jeremy Sent: Tuesday

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Ken Hohhof
What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? From: Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Jeremy
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Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Josh Luthman
rnet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > ---------- > *From: *"Sam Lambie" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Se

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Mathew Howard
> diplexer. >> >> *From:* Chuck Macenski >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:49 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X >> >> The Rx and Tx Channel ranges are the same >> >> Chuck >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Chuck Macenski
given that it is using separate antennas rather than a > diplexer. > > *From:* Chuck Macenski > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:49 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X > > The Rx and Tx Channel ranges are the same > > Chuck > > On

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maybe the question was can TX and RX be set to the same frequency on the AF5 in FDD mode, given that it is using separate antennas rather than a diplexer. From: Chuck Macenski Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X The Rx and Tx Channel ranges

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Chuck Macenski
millisecond like a licensed >>> backhaul? >>> >>> What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few >>> milliseconds and very constant? >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) >

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Chuck McCown
AirHole. Blond guy that is both dumb and an ass. AirHole. From: Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 8:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Who is to say a wormBeam isn't already in the works? ;) I have to admit...I am partial to AirHole... On Tue, May 5, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Ben Moore
sn’t contain “air” or “tough” > or “fi” or “beam”. > > How about WormBeam, or AirHole. > > *From:* Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2015 9:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X > > Is that Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worm

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Mike Hammett
://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Sam Lambie" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Sam Lambie
Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>>> So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed >>>> backhaul? >>>> >>>> What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few >>>> milliseconds and very constant? >>>> >&

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Mathew Howard
te: >> >>> So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed >>> backhaul? >>> >>> What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few >>> milliseconds and very constant? >>> >>> >>> -O

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Chuck McCown
Hohhof Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures out how long the bits take to fly through the air. I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two lane road, and somehow

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-05 Thread Adam Moffett
o:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Is that Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worms ? Confused :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@s

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Jon Langeler
milliseconds and very constant? >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) >>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X >>> >>> No FDD

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Mathew Howard
P600, a few >> milliseconds and very constant? >> >> >> -Original Message----- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) >> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X >> >> No FDD. Not 48 v

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
Can’t be a Ubiquiti product ... name doesn’t contain “air” or “tough” or “fi” or “beam”. How about WormBeam, or AirHole. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Is that Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worms ? Confused

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
t;Matt Hardy" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:08:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X > Exactly :) > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) < > geo...@cbcast.com > wrote: > > Wormholes. > > > On 5/4/20

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Matt Hardy
get to the other end, we >>> both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the bits. Modify this to >>> allow for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince >>> Se

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Jeremy
. So we both >>> send our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the other end, we >>> both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the bits. Modify this to >>> allow for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc. >>> >>> &

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
e both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the bits. Modify this to allow for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Think of the air

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Bill Prince
bits. Modify this to allow for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Think of the air in between as a storage device. bp On 5/4/20

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
ath reflections, etc. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Think of the air in between as a storage device. bp On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HD

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Bill Prince
, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP to SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head around how that works. -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
other end. I can't wrap my head around how that works. -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
ew milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise exp

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Josh Luthman
Rory Conaway wrote: > The AF5x will go down to the 5.1GHz, the AF5 is limited to 5.4GHz. > > Rory > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber > Broadcasting) > Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 3:48 PM > To: af@afmu

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
o: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, ch

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Rory Conaway
The AF5x will go down to the 5.1GHz, the AF5 is limited to 5.4GHz. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 3:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replace

[AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX an

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-13 Thread Chuck Macenski
; >>> Some simple algebra: >>> >>> Required RX signal =Noise floor + (Noise Floor – Sensitivity) >>> >>> - simplifying - >>> >>> RX signal = (2 * Noise floor )-Sensitivity >>> >>> So, every dB of noise floor == 2dB of R

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-13 Thread Ty Featherling
== 2dB of RX signal. >> >> Have I got this right Chuck? >> >> *From:* Chuck Macenski >> *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:25 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af5 >> >> >> tl;dr...the natural noise floor for the band minus the sensitivity of >> that band for a given modulation equals the signal needed over the noise >> floor for a given modulation. >> >> > >

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-13 Thread Chuck McCown
So is there something similar to the Friis formula you can lay on us that takes thermal and interference into account and gives minimum RX levels needed? From: Chuck Macenski Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 The clean noise floor number is the

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-13 Thread Chuck Macenski
> RX signal = (2 * Noise floor )-Sensitivity >> >> So, every dB of noise floor == 2dB of RX signal. >> >> Have I got this right Chuck? >> >> *From:* Chuck Macenski >> *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:25 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af5 >> >> >> tl;dr...the natural noise floor for the band minus the sensitivity of >> that band for a given modulation equals the signal needed over the noise >> floor for a given modulation. >> >> > >

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-13 Thread Chuck Macenski
gt; > - simplifying - > > RX signal = (2 * Noise floor )-Sensitivity > > So, every dB of noise floor == 2dB of RX signal. > > Have I got this right Chuck? > > *From:* Chuck Macenski > *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:25 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Su

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-13 Thread Chuck McCown
=Noise floor + (Noise Floor – Sensitivity) - simplifying - RX signal = (2 * Noise floor )-Sensitivity So, every dB of noise floor == 2dB of RX signal. Have I got this right Chuck? From: Chuck Macenski Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 tl;dr

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Chuck Macenski
ed per modulation, I could figure out how much signal I >>> need for that speed. >>> >>> I can't do that with your published numbers. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Chuck Macenski
that speed. >>> >>> I can't do that with your published numbers. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> - Original Message - >>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Jeremy
or that speed. >> >> I can't do that with your published numbers. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Matt Hardy >> To:

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Mike Hammett
voiding complying with the request than if they had just done it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chuck Macenski" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:44:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Chuck Macenski
lligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: Matt Hardy > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST) > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 > > Hi Mike, > The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Josh Reynolds
t how much signal I need for that speed. I can't do that with your published numbers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hardy To: af@afmug.com Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Mike Hammett
They apparently expect you to buy it, hang it and then try it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ty Featherling" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 2:27:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Ty Featherling
ublished numbers. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: Matt Hardy > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST) > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 > > Hi M

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hardy To: af@afmug.com Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 Hi Mike, The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for noise value); this is pretty standard amo

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-09 Thread Mike Hammett
shouldn't change. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Caleb Knauer To: af@afmug.com Sent: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 09:00:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 Someone did a breakdown of distance/throughput/channel siz

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-09 Thread Caleb Knauer
Someone did a breakdown of distance/throughput/channel size for 47dBm and 30dBm EIRP levels on the forum. http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/AF5-Distance-Throughput-Chart-Community-Maintained-47-dBm-EIRP/m-p/1118828#U1118828 and http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/AF5-Distance-Throughput-Char

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
From: "Craig House" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 3:24:58 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Af5 I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation Sent from my iPhone

[AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-08 Thread Craig House
I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Here, Chuck. I did something I didn't want to do.. mess with the network on a Friday! I put a spare Netgear switch using the two GigE uplink ports between the AF5 master and the MT CCR at the NOC. FCS errors on the switch port that the radio is plugged into now (port 25). It's not MikroTik, NO

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
You lost me. Length? I just tried it with a 50' patch cable going into the building wiring that's probably another 80+ feet. I tried both 10/100 and GigE ports on the switches. And it linked up to the CCR at 1Gb. I ran the discovery tool. I ran some pings to various stuff (from the radio CLI).

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread Chuck Macenski via Af
The cabling may play a role... On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af < af@afmug.com> wrote: > Well, I can't get it to happen on either the Zyxel or Netgear managed > switches I have. Nor on the MT CCR running in the server room right now > (which has two AF24'

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Well, I can't get it to happen on either the Zyxel or Netgear managed switches I have. Nor on the MT CCR running in the server room right now (which has two AF24's and one AF5 links running live on it and the errors appear here and at the routers on the other ends). BUT.. this is a single spar

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread Ken Hohhof via Af
One more time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-u5WLJ9Yk4 From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 2:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors I don't feel that bad where I'd want to hit you. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solu

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af
Behalf Of Chuck Macenski via Af Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors If you run into any issues, hit me ( ch...@ubnt.com <mailto:ch...@ubnt.com> ) and we will figure it out. Chuck On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, George Skorup

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread Mike Hammett via Af
I don't feel that bad where I'd want to hit you. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chuck Macenski via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 2:10:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread Chuck Macenski via Af
If you run into any issues, hit me ( ch...@ubnt.com ) and we will figure it out. Chuck On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af < af@afmug.com> wrote: > FWIW, the AF firmware has been pretty stable, even betas. I had to run > 2.2-beta3 on the AF5s since it has

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
FWIW, the AF firmware has been pretty stable, even betas. I had to run 2.2-beta3 on the AF5s since it has DFS/RADAR improvements. I've had a 3.4 mile link up running DFS band for a couple weeks and it has been pretty stable pushing about 100Mbps. I would kill for a 5.1-5.3GHz AF5. Anyway... si

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread Bill Prince via Af
I wouldn't call it "issues", as I almost never do the Tools->Discovery. I only went through that process after I read this from George. The interface FCS error counter is zero (or near zero), and each time I did Tools->Discovery, the FCS counter would increment by between 5 and 15. Our AF24s

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread Chuck Macenski via Af
You also have issues when connected to Microtik? On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: > Same thing happens on version 1.5. > > bp > > > On 11/6/2014 2:59 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: > >> Found this interesting. I have some AF24's on 2.0 and AF5's on

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-07 Thread Bill Prince via Af
Same thing happens on version 1.5. bp On 11/6/2014 2:59 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Found this interesting. I have some AF24's on 2.0 and AF5's on 2.2-beta3. They work fine. If I do a Tools > Discovery, the MT ethernet counters on both sides will increment FCS and Code

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-06 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
I have not. These are PTPs between routed interfaces. Traffic goes over the link without a problem. Routed management traffic (in-band only) to the radios doesn't generate any errors. It's only radio to radio packets that seems to trigger it. I can run a ping, telnet or ssh session between the

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-06 Thread Chuck Macenski via Af
It was just a question... On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote: > Is there a bug with microtik switches? > > — > Sent from Mailbox > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:59 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af > wrote: > >> Found this in

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-06 Thread timothy steele via Af
Is there a bug with microtik switches? — Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:59 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: > Found this interesting. I have some AF24's on 2.0 and AF5's on > 2.2-beta3. They work fine. If I do a Tools > Discovery, the MT ethernet > counters on

Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-06 Thread Chuck Macenski via Af
Have you tried putting a non-Microtik switch in line to see if that is part of the equation? Chuck On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:59 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af < af@afmug.com> wrote: > Found this interesting. I have some AF24's on 2.0 and AF5's on 2.2-beta3. > They work fine. If I d

[AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-06 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Found this interesting. I have some AF24's on 2.0 and AF5's on 2.2-beta3. They work fine. If I do a Tools > Discovery, the MT ethernet counters on both sides will increment FCS and Code errors. Same thing happens if I run some pings between the radios (not router to router, radio to radio). I'm