Besides, there is no way to run airfibers off a single sync source...
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> Not saying it can't be done or never works. Just saying it is proper.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
>
Look at Leaflet over Google. much lighter weight and more full featured.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Jaime Fink wrote:
> Yeah we'd like that too, but it's a limitation right now in Google
> mapping, so we had to segregate them :(
>
> Jaime
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:07 PM,
The 260GS has the Rx power level with the latest FW, and can do as much
speed as you need. I'm doing AE, and wouldn't want to do PON with my
deployment. I was using the outdoor Occam ONTs for the first several
customers, and honestly I prefer managing the Mikrotiks since I'm not going
to pay for
Mainly because customers can't keep their hands off of the RB2011. And
all we really need is a copper GigE demarc. I agree with Josh. I want to
stay away from something as simple as a media converter-like device.
Managed is preferred so we can keep an eye on Rx power levels, etc. And
an
I believe you will find your answer here ...
http://client.help.mimosa.co/client-faq-voltage-input-specifications
Very detailed info on what would work... :)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518
Not saying it can't be done or never works. Just saying it is proper.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
wrote:
> i have a site with Air Fiber 5x running
What UBNT PoE works for Mimosa C5 and B5-Lite? [Possibly POE-48-24W or
POE-48-24W-G?]
Spec says: 48-56 V Power over Ethernet supply, but it doesn't mention the
requirement at the radio.
I'd like to use a power supply with built in grounding and surge
suppression for a few installations, and it
i have a site with Air Fiber 5x running the same 50mhx channel on 3 different
backhauls with no problems of self interference using the 3 different sync
soruces...
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel.
I've been using the RB260GS in an ONT enclosure. Also has a SFP cage. Any
reason you need something natively outdoor?
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup wrote:
> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
> Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's
That's not even close to a real NID though, in terms of features, controls,
monitoring and management.
If you're just looking for the cheapest possible demarc, then fine. If
you're throwing out names like Ciena, Calix, AdTran, Huawei, Accedian,
etc... That's a totally different ball of wax.
It
Maybe something like the MikroTik RBFTC11?
https://www.roc-noc.com/mikrotik/routerboard/fiber/RBFTC11.html
Has an SFP cage, so you could put whatever optics in it you need?
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:15 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet
I suspect that's at least partially because the ePMP has an external GPS
antenna, and the PMP450 doesn't.
On Aug 16, 2016 7:58 PM, "Josh Baird" wrote:
> Which really sucks, because the onboard GPS in ePMP is quite reliable.
>
> We use a SyncBox to provide sync for FSK and
Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of
this existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be
split). Long story.
Which really sucks, because the onboard GPS in ePMP is quite reliable.
We use a SyncBox to provide sync for FSK and use a Netonix for POE (with pairs
swapped) with no issues.
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 4:42 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> Yeah well on-board GPS on the 450 isn't
True... I was thinking along the lines of, might as well use all four if
you can.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> Nah, the 35W should be fine. That radio is probably not going to use more
> than 20W. And yes, it's only two pairs, but Cambium said
Nah, the 35W should be fine. That radio is probably not going to use
more than 20W. And yes, it's only two pairs, but Cambium said that's
fine. In fact, that's exactly what you get when running on a CMM4 (in
48/56v mode, then you have to flip pins 5 & 7 because of the stupid
320/430 pinout).
I would use the 48VH (assuming we're still talking about the 450i AP) power
on all 4 pairs is what they want, and they don't care about polarity.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> I know the H has power on all pins so I'd suggest looking in the
Either one should work. Really the only reason you'd need the 1.5A is if
you're going to daisy chain another POE device onto the aux port. .75A
should be more than enough for just the AP itself.
On 8/16/2016 6:40 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
So should I use regular 48V (0.75A) or 48VH (1.5A) for
I know the H has power on all pins so I'd suggest looking in the forum
before plugging it in.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 16, 2016 7:40 PM, "Darin Steffl" wrote:
> So should I use regular 48V
Yeah well on-board GPS on the 450 isn't exactly reliable. Wrong
orientation, too close to steel, etc. It's OK for backup though, if it
works anyway, and I have a couple dozen APs where it doesn't work at all.
You can very easily use a PacketFlux SyncBox12 and time the APs via aux
port. Of
So should I use regular 48V (0.75A) or 48VH (1.5A) for Netonix powering
450i AP 900mhz?
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
> i keep trying to preach that.
> i know we have one site with two sync sources
> no apparent problems tho
>
>
> -
i keep trying to preach that.
i know we have one site with two sync sources
no apparent problems tho
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
It's proper to have one
Yeah, but it would still be nice if there was on board sync... a lot of
times we only need one 900mhz sector on a tower, in which case on board
sync would be perfectly fine.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> It's proper to have one sync source
It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote:
> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power
it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the whole
tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around with
a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> As
Ug...
(I think I did that once).
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa
You know you can do that yourself, though it doesn't have a pretty GUI...
Download the entire ULS database
http://reboot.fcc.gov/license-view/
Import
Hmm, that can help.
From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa
there is this google earth plugin that has a lot of AM, FM and TV stuff.
unfortunately it doesn't include part 101, but it's useful for finding towers
etc.
there is this google earth plugin that has a lot of AM, FM and TV stuff.
unfortunately it doesn't include part 101, but it's useful for finding
towers etc.
http://www.fccinfo.com/fccinfo_google_earth.php
-Sean
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
I wrote a basic tool do searches from my Linux workstation's command line,
it spits out the data. Based on the structure of a Google Earth XML site
entry for a single placemark, it would probably be a small shell script to
populate a template XML with each site. When I'm bored and have time I
Pretty GUIs are usually what make or break something.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Kuhnke"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:43:29
You know you can do that yourself, though it doesn't have a pretty GUI...
Download the entire ULS database
http://reboot.fcc.gov/license-view/
Import into SQL database (or sqlite)
Search for all entries matching UT and the county_name columns
Yeah we'd like that too, but it's a limitation right now in Google mapping, so
we had to segregate them :(
Jaime
On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown
> wrote:
Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool. I wish that you could turn all the
As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug
the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take
passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any
wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
did
What? You vying for free T-shirt?
On Aug 16, 2016 1:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
> Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool. I wish that you could turn
> all the frequencies on at once. I also wish it went to other FCC licenses
> than 101. Great for finding mountain tops
Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool. I wish that you could turn all the
frequencies on at once. I also wish it went to other FCC licenses than 101.
Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm sites.
Don't give them the idea of POE then! =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> That's what I said. If they insist on having it be copper it should be
>
That's what I said. If they insist on having it be copper it should be
802.3at. SFP radios by default fall into the category of "direct -48VDC
feed".
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> No. Wrong. SFP SFP SFP.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office:
No. Wrong. SFP SFP SFP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 16, 2016 2:20 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote:
> In 3-4 years from now, if every new product is not either 802.3at
> standards compliant PoE, or direct
In 3-4 years from now, if every new product is not either 802.3at standards
compliant PoE, or direct -48VDC feed (such as carrier-grade PTP radios that
have dual A and B power feeds), I will be really disappointed...
Stop reinventing the wheel you crazy proprietary vendors. Your PoE standard
is
We are talking about the PMP450 AP. Not the 450i AP. Not any SM. The
"PMP450 AP"
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
> No, the 450i AP uses normal
Sorry got a bit confused with the 450/450i discussion.Josh is correct, the 450
AP is reversed the 450i AP is not.
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107
- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Tyler"
No, the 450i AP uses normal PoE. The SM/CPE requires a pin swap.
"Access point is now 802.3at compatible and includes an AUX port, while the
Subscriber can re-use the 30 VDC power supplies common to the PMP 100 platform"
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet
That's a pretty old spec sheet. Copyright 2012
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> Ya the spec sheet still says 450 works with FSK radios =P
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH
450, not 450i
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
> The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
>
so the 24v radios will still link their ethernet at gigabit after you
switch the brown/blue wires?
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
> The SM's are still reversed and use the 30c Cambium power supply, but the
> AP's are not.
>
> --
>
Ya the spec sheet still says 450 works with FSK radios =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
wrote:
> what salty wounds are you talking about? The FSK
what salty wounds are you talking about? The FSK compatibility thing? I'm
just thankfull they made sync work between the two platforms, i was still
able to migrate customers without major issues...
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
>
The SM's are still reversed and use the 30c Cambium power supply, but the AP's
are not.
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107
- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Tyler"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent:
The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107
- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
Subject:
One could wire up the shielded keystone that way :)
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
wrote:
> how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote:
>
>>
Change the pinout I believe.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
wrote:
> how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16,
how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/Cambium_Networks_PMP_450_Access_Point_Specification.pdf
The Cambium Networks Point-to-Multipoint (PMP) 450 Access Point (AP) can
provide more than 90 Mbps throughput and is *interoperable with PMP 430 and
PMP 100 Series Subscriber Modules (SM)*
Josh
24v and 48v but Netonix does both
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
wrote:
> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31
pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House
wrote:
> It will work we're using it in many places
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> It will probably power
It will work we're using it in many places
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
>
>
> bp
>
>
>> On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>> Hello all,
It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
bp
On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Hello all,
Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
PoE which I don't think
Bunch of people in the forum are powering pmp450 so I would safely say yes.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Darin Steffl
wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Will a Netonix 48V switch
Hello all,
Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at PoE
which I don't think Netonix supports.
Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
Thanks
--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
This sounds like the situation faced in a lot of European cities where
digging up streets and sidewalks is prohibitively expensive or just not
feasible.
Do we know yet if they are looking at wireless direct to the customer, or as
a backhaul to feed a fiber distribution point?
If it's
On 8/16/16 07:39, Chuck McCown wrote:
Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super
special wireless is an evolution in broadband.
But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google.
There's still enough people around that believe everything
Yeah, use a Google Gig connection at a customer’s house to feed the APs on
their roof...
VPN them. That would make life easy.
From: Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could
it would be funny if a WISP moved into a google fiber city and started
stealing their customers!
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Robert Andrews
wrote:
> Silly Valley is anything but egalitarian...But it is a pretty good
> meritocracy...
>
> On 08/16/2016 07:44 AM,
Silly Valley is anything but egalitarian...But it is a pretty good
meritocracy...
On 08/16/2016 07:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Be interesting to see a map of Google deployments overlayed with a map
of racial/cultural demographics for the same area...
I’ll bet there is a helluva digital
Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super special
wireless is an evolution in broadband.
But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google.
It appears they found that fiber is more expensive to do and less lucrative
(the way they do it) than
Be interesting to see a map of Google deployments overlayed with a map of
racial/cultural demographics for the same area...
I’ll bet there is a helluva digital divide goin’ on.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:39 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move
Remember winstar and others who tried? Look at Vivint...
On Aug 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
> Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
oh! I hadn't seen that they have them with N connectors now...
I was actually thinking about this the other day... if we were to put up 8
(or even 12) horns instead of 4 90 degree sectors, we'd be able to get away
with using ePMP LiteAP's on most, if not all of our sites. I'm thinking
that the
Get more of them? :-)
I saw someone in NZ (I actually think he's on this list to) had replaced their
UBNT 120* sector with 4x 30* horns and everything was better after.
41 dB F/B sure is nice on a "sector". :-)
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet
That's not true at all, in fact you will likely have more uniform coverage
for 256QAM sites - especially for those customers closer to the tower.
Ideally you'd be using the 30-60deg horns to keep per AP density as low as
reasonably possible, but for the suburbs / subdivisions these are great.
On
These Horns does not have a „sector pattern“. So they are useless for normal
towers where you want 360 degree coverage in the first place. But they are
great as additional sectors for segments where there are more users. They have
the best FB/Ratio you can get.
Von: Af
Open waveguide has about 10 dB of gain by itself.
-Original Message-
From: Matt
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and
it's smart antenna)? I assume
I've never looked closely. Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in
the elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it.
-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF
Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems.
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it competitive
|Computerworld
Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric sector
for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth.
Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
I'm not sure if that all jives. The energy has to go somewhere...if
it's not coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or
rear. I.E. if it's not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the
gain by higher rather than lower?
-- Original Message --
From: "Mike
"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those that
have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight with the
antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across the band and
across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major
> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.
There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting.
http://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/overview/
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Mathew Howard"
To: "af"
If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher due
to dual radio/core.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> Question is, does
I was interested in testing this antenna. Just can't seem to find it. If it's
not available, what is the feed for dual N or dual RP-SMA connectors for the
other 30 degree antenna?
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