Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Mathew Howard
Besides, there is no way to run airfibers off a single sync source... On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Not saying it can't be done or never works. Just saying it is proper. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 >

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Cameron Crum
Look at Leaflet over Google. much lighter weight and more full featured. On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: > Yeah we'd like that too, but it's a limitation right now in Google > mapping, so we had to segregate them :( > > Jaime > > On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:07 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

2016-08-16 Thread Jason McKemie
The 260GS has the Rx power level with the latest FW, and can do as much speed as you need. I'm doing AE, and wouldn't want to do PON with my deployment. I was using the outdoor Occam ONTs for the first several customers, and honestly I prefer managing the Mikrotiks since I'm not going to pay for

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

2016-08-16 Thread George Skorup
Mainly because customers can't keep their hands off of the RB2011. And all we really need is a copper GigE demarc. I agree with Josh. I want to stay away from something as simple as a media converter-like device. Managed is preferred so we can keep an eye on Rx power levels, etc. And an

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT PoE for Mimosa C5 / B5-Lite?

2016-08-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I believe you will find your answer here ... http://client.help.mimosa.co/client-faq-voltage-input-specifications Very detailed info on what would work... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Not saying it can't be done or never works. Just saying it is proper. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > i have a site with Air Fiber 5x running

[AFMUG] UBNT PoE for Mimosa C5 / B5-Lite?

2016-08-16 Thread Christopher Gray
What UBNT PoE works for Mimosa C5 and B5-Lite? [Possibly POE-48-24W or POE-48-24W-G?] Spec says: 48-56 V Power over Ethernet supply, but it doesn't mention the requirement at the radio. I'd like to use a power supply with built in grounding and surge suppression for a few installations, and it

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
i have a site with Air Fiber 5x running the same 50mhx channel on 3 different backhauls with no problems of self interference using the 3 different sync soruces... Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel.

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

2016-08-16 Thread Jason McKemie
I've been using the RB260GS in an ONT enclosure. Also has a SFP cage. Any reason you need something natively outdoor? On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup wrote: > Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from > Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Reynolds
That's not even close to a real NID though, in terms of features, controls, monitoring and management. If you're just looking for the cheapest possible demarc, then fine. If you're throwing out names like Ciena, Calix, AdTran, Huawei, Accedian, etc... That's a totally different ball of wax. It

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

2016-08-16 Thread Steve Utick
Maybe something like the MikroTik RBFTC11? https://www.roc-noc.com/mikrotik/routerboard/fiber/RBFTC11.html Has an SFP cage, so you could put whatever optics in it you need? On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:15 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Mathew Howard
I suspect that's at least partially because the ePMP has an external GPS antenna, and the PMP450 doesn't. On Aug 16, 2016 7:58 PM, "Josh Baird" wrote: > Which really sucks, because the onboard GPS in ePMP is quite reliable. > > We use a SyncBox to provide sync for FSK and

[AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

2016-08-16 Thread George Skorup
Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of this existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be split). Long story.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Baird
Which really sucks, because the onboard GPS in ePMP is quite reliable. We use a SyncBox to provide sync for FSK and use a Netonix for POE (with pairs swapped) with no issues. > On Aug 16, 2016, at 4:42 PM, George Skorup wrote: > > Yeah well on-board GPS on the 450 isn't

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Mathew Howard
True... I was thinking along the lines of, might as well use all four if you can. On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:01 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Nah, the 35W should be fine. That radio is probably not going to use more > than 20W. And yes, it's only two pairs, but Cambium said

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread George Skorup
Nah, the 35W should be fine. That radio is probably not going to use more than 20W. And yes, it's only two pairs, but Cambium said that's fine. In fact, that's exactly what you get when running on a CMM4 (in 48/56v mode, then you have to flip pins 5 & 7 because of the stupid 320/430 pinout).

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Mathew Howard
I would use the 48VH (assuming we're still talking about the 450i AP) power on all 4 pairs is what they want, and they don't care about polarity. On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I know the H has power on all pins so I'd suggest looking in the

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread George Skorup
Either one should work. Really the only reason you'd need the 1.5A is if you're going to daisy chain another POE device onto the aux port. .75A should be more than enough for just the AP itself. On 8/16/2016 6:40 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: So should I use regular 48V (0.75A) or 48VH (1.5A) for

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
I know the H has power on all pins so I'd suggest looking in the forum before plugging it in. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 16, 2016 7:40 PM, "Darin Steffl" wrote: > So should I use regular 48V

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread George Skorup
Yeah well on-board GPS on the 450 isn't exactly reliable. Wrong orientation, too close to steel, etc. It's OK for backup though, if it works anyway, and I have a couple dozen APs where it doesn't work at all. You can very easily use a PacketFlux SyncBox12 and time the APs via aux port. Of

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Darin Steffl
So should I use regular 48V (0.75A) or 48VH (1.5A) for Netonix powering 450i AP 900mhz? On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > i keep trying to preach that. > i know we have one site with two sync sources > no apparent problems tho > > > -

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
i keep trying to preach that. i know we have one site with two sync sources no apparent problems tho - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix It's proper to have one

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, but it would still be nice if there was on board sync... a lot of times we only need one 900mhz sector on a tower, in which case on board sync would be perfectly fine. On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > It's proper to have one sync source

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote: > it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the whole tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup wrote: > As

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Ug... (I think I did that once). From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa You know you can do that yourself, though it doesn't have a pretty GUI... Download the entire ULS database http://reboot.fcc.gov/license-view/ Import

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Hmm, that can help. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa there is this google earth plugin that has a lot of AM, FM and TV stuff. unfortunately it doesn't include part 101, but it's useful for finding towers etc.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Sean Heskett
there is this google earth plugin that has a lot of AM, FM and TV stuff. unfortunately it doesn't include part 101, but it's useful for finding towers etc. http://www.fccinfo.com/fccinfo_google_earth.php -Sean On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I wrote a basic tool do searches from my Linux workstation's command line, it spits out the data. Based on the structure of a Google Earth XML site entry for a single placemark, it would probably be a small shell script to populate a template XML with each site. When I'm bored and have time I

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Pretty GUIs are usually what make or break something. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Eric Kuhnke" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:43:29

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke
You know you can do that yourself, though it doesn't have a pretty GUI... Download the entire ULS database http://reboot.fcc.gov/license-view/ Import into SQL database (or sqlite) Search for all entries matching UT and the county_name columns

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Jaime Fink
Yeah we'd like that too, but it's a limitation right now in Google mapping, so we had to segregate them :( Jaime On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote: Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool. I wish that you could turn all the

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread George Skorup
As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually did

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
What? You vying for free T-shirt? On Aug 16, 2016 1:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool. I wish that you could turn > all the frequencies on at once. I also wish it went to other FCC licenses > than 101. Great for finding mountain tops

[AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool. I wish that you could turn all the frequencies on at once. I also wish it went to other FCC licenses than 101. Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm sites.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Don't give them the idea of POE then! =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > That's what I said. If they insist on having it be copper it should be >

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke
That's what I said. If they insist on having it be copper it should be 802.3at. SFP radios by default fall into the category of "direct -48VDC feed". On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > No. Wrong. SFP SFP SFP. > > Josh Luthman > Office:

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
No. Wrong. SFP SFP SFP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 16, 2016 2:20 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > In 3-4 years from now, if every new product is not either 802.3at > standards compliant PoE, or direct

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke
In 3-4 years from now, if every new product is not either 802.3at standards compliant PoE, or direct -48VDC feed (such as carrier-grade PTP radios that have dual A and B power feeds), I will be really disappointed... Stop reinventing the wheel you crazy proprietary vendors. Your PoE standard is

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
We are talking about the PMP450 AP. Not the 450i AP. Not any SM. The "PMP450 AP" Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote: > No, the 450i AP uses normal

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Christopher Tyler
Sorry got a bit confused with the 450/450i discussion.Josh is correct, the 450 AP is reversed the 450i AP is not. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: "Christopher Tyler"

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Christopher Tyler
No, the 450i AP uses normal PoE. The SM/CPE requires a pin swap. "Access point is now 802.3at compatible and includes an AUX port, while the Subscriber can re-use the 30 VDC power supplies common to the PMP 100 platform" -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet

Re: [AFMUG] Can I salt the wounds?

2016-08-16 Thread Eric Muehleisen
That's a pretty old spec sheet. Copyright 2012 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Ya the spec sheet still says 450 works with FSK radios =P > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
450, not 450i Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote: > The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed. > > -- > Christopher Tyler >

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
so the 24v radios will still link their ethernet at gigabit after you switch the brown/blue wires? On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote: > The SM's are still reversed and use the 30c Cambium power supply, but the > AP's are not. > > -- >

Re: [AFMUG] Can I salt the wounds?

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Ya the spec sheet still says 450 works with FSK radios =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > what salty wounds are you talking about? The FSK

Re: [AFMUG] Can I salt the wounds?

2016-08-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
what salty wounds are you talking about? The FSK compatibility thing? I'm just thankfull they made sync work between the two platforms, i was still able to migrate customers without major issues... On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Christopher Tyler
The SM's are still reversed and use the 30c Cambium power supply, but the AP's are not. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: "Christopher Tyler" To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Christopher Tyler
The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Reynolds
One could wire up the shielded keystone that way :) On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed? > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Change the pinout I believe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed? > > On Tue, Aug 16,

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed? On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > 24v and 48v but Netonix does both > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >

[AFMUG] Can I salt the wounds?

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/Cambium_Networks_PMP_450_Access_Point_Specification.pdf The Cambium Networks Point-to-Multipoint (PMP) 450 Access Point (AP) can provide more than 90 Mbps throughput and is *interoperable with PMP 430 and PMP 100 Series Subscriber Modules (SM)* Josh

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
24v and 48v but Netonix does both Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House wrote: > It will work we're using it in many places > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince wrote: > > It will probably power

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Craig House
It will work we're using it in many places Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince wrote: > > It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync. > > > bp > > >> On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: >> Hello all,

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Bill Prince
It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync. bp On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: Hello all, Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz? I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at PoE which I don't think

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Bunch of people in the forum are powering pmp450 so I would safely say yes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: > Hello all, > > Will a Netonix 48V switch

[AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Darin Steffl
Hello all, Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz? I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at PoE which I don't think Netonix supports. Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work? Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep itcompetitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
This sounds like the situation faced in a lot of European cities where digging up streets and sidewalks is prohibitively expensive or just not feasible. Do we know yet if they are looking at wireless direct to the customer, or as a backhaul to feed a fiber distribution point? If it's

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep itcompetitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 8/16/16 07:39, Chuck McCown wrote: Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super special wireless is an evolution in broadband. But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google. There's still enough people around that believe everything

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keepitcompetitive|Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeah, use a Google Gig connection at a customer’s house to feed the APs on their roof... VPN them. That would make life easy. From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keepitcompetitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
it would be funny if a WISP moved into a google fiber city and started stealing their customers! On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: > Silly Valley is anything but egalitarian...But it is a pretty good > meritocracy... > > On 08/16/2016 07:44 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keepitcompetitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Robert Andrews
Silly Valley is anything but egalitarian...But it is a pretty good meritocracy... On 08/16/2016 07:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Be interesting to see a map of Google deployments overlayed with a map of racial/cultural demographics for the same area... I’ll bet there is a helluva digital

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep itcompetitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super special wireless is an evolution in broadband. But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google. It appears they found that fiber is more expensive to do and less lucrative (the way they do it) than

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keepitcompetitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Be interesting to see a map of Google deployments overlayed with a map of racial/cultural demographics for the same area... I’ll bet there is a helluva digital divide goin’ on. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:39 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it competitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Remember winstar and others who tried? Look at Vivint... On Aug 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM > *To:* Animal Farm

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Mathew Howard
oh! I hadn't seen that they have them with N connectors now... I was actually thinking about this the other day... if we were to put up 8 (or even 12) horns instead of 4 90 degree sectors, we'd be able to get away with using ePMP LiteAP's on most, if not all of our sites. I'm thinking that the

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Get more of them? :-) I saw someone in NZ (I actually think he's on this list to) had replaced their UBNT 120* sector with 4x 30* horns and everything was better after. 41 dB F/B sure is nice on a "sector". :-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Reynolds
That's not true at all, in fact you will likely have more uniform coverage for 256QAM sites - especially for those customers closer to the tower. Ideally you'd be using the 30-60deg horns to keep per AP density as low as reasonably possible, but for the suburbs / subdivisions these are great. On

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Stefan Englhardt
These Horns does not have a „sector pattern“. So they are useless for normal towers where you want 360 degree coverage in the first place. But they are great as additional sectors for segments where there are more users. They have the best FB/Ratio you can get. Von: Af

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Open waveguide has about 10 dB of gain by itself. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:07 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's smart antenna)? I assume

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Adam Moffett
I've never looked closely. Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in the elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it competitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it competitive |Computerworld

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric sector for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth. Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Adam Moffett
I'm not sure if that all jives. The energy has to go somewhere...if it's not coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear. I.E. if it's not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher rather than lower? -- Original Message -- From: "Mike

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Mike Hammett
"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those that have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight with the antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across the band and across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Matt
> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's > smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask. There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/overview/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af"

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-16 Thread Erich Kaiser
If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher due to dual radio/core. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Question is, does

[AFMUG] RF Elements availability 30° Horn SH-CC 5-30

2016-08-16 Thread Rory Conaway
I was interested in testing this antenna. Just can't seem to find it. If it's not available, what is the feed for dual N or dual RP-SMA connectors for the other 30 degree antenna? Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542