date:20160816

Besides, there is no way to run airfibers off a single sync source...

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Not saying it can't be done or never works.  Just saying it is proper.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i have a site with Air Fiber 5x running the same 50mhx channel on 3
>> different backhauls with no problems of self interference using the 3
>> different sync soruces...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> Wavelinc Communications
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the
>>> whole tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around
>>> with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix.
 Plug the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also
 take passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any
 wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
 did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but
 I guess you can never have it all.

 Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900
 SM which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.

 On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:

 Hello all,

 Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

 I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
 PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.

 Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

 Thanks

 --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  Like us on Facebook
 



>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Cameron Crum

Look at Leaflet over Google. much lighter weight and more full featured.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:

> Yeah we'd like that too, but it's a limitation right now in Google
> mapping, so we had to segregate them :(
>
> Jaime
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool.  I wish that you could turn
> all the frequencies on at once.  I also wish it went to other FCC licenses
> than 101.  Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm
> sites.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

2016-08-16 Thread Jason McKemie

The 260GS has the Rx power level with the latest FW, and can do as much
speed as you need. I'm doing AE, and wouldn't want to do PON with my
deployment. I was using the outdoor Occam ONTs for the first several
customers, and honestly I prefer managing the Mikrotiks since I'm not going
to pay for Calix's management system. The installation is also simpler
since I can do PoE to the 'tiks. Customers don't really mess with them
since they're outside. You also cannot beat the price. Just sayin'.

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:

> Mainly because customers can't keep their hands off of the RB2011. And all
> we really need is a copper GigE demarc. I agree with Josh. I want to stay
> away from something as simple as a media converter-like device. Managed is
> preferred so we can keep an eye on Rx power levels, etc. And an outdoor
> NID/ONT-like device is easier for the contractor grunts to understand.
>
> I'll explain a little bit of the long story. We got involved in the
> project well after the planning stages, fiber was already in the ground.
> They had no idea what they were doing. The network owner got sold (more
> like pushed) into doing AE by, lets call them intellectual, theory oriented
> know-it-alls. You know, because it's more better, everybody will get a full
> gigabit... on a RB2011 that will do 400Mbps at best and wireless that isn't
> worth shit. I said, OK if that's what you want, that's fine. We can do bidi
> and put on twice the number of customers vs two-strand. You got 288 in the
> ground, we can connect 288 customers. Nope. Clearfield built them a couple
> HUNDRED pre-terminated duplex drop cables and a couple dozen peds designed
> for it.
>
> FML is all I have to say. If it was up to me, it'd be GPON.
>
> On 8/16/2016 9:30 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I've been using the RB260GS in an ONT enclosure. Also has a SFP cage. Any
> reason you need something natively outdoor?
>
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup  > wrote:
>
>> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
>> Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of this
>> existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be split).
>> Long story.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

Mainly because customers can't keep their hands off of the RB2011. And 
all we really need is a copper GigE demarc. I agree with Josh. I want to 
stay away from something as simple as a media converter-like device. 
Managed is preferred so we can keep an eye on Rx power levels, etc. And 
an outdoor NID/ONT-like device is easier for the contractor grunts to 
understand.


I'll explain a little bit of the long story. We got involved in the 
project well after the planning stages, fiber was already in the ground. 
They had no idea what they were doing. The network owner got sold (more 
like pushed) into doing AE by, lets call them intellectual, theory 
oriented know-it-alls. You know, because it's more better, everybody 
will get a full gigabit... on a RB2011 that will do 400Mbps at best and 
wireless that isn't worth shit. I said, OK if that's what you want, 
that's fine. We can do bidi and put on twice the number of customers vs 
two-strand. You got 288 in the ground, we can connect 288 customers. 
Nope. Clearfield built them a couple HUNDRED pre-terminated duplex drop 
cables and a couple dozen peds designed for it.


FML is all I have to say. If it was up to me, it'd be GPON.

On 8/16/2016 9:30 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I've been using the RB260GS in an ONT enclosure. Also has a SFP cage. 
Any reason you need something natively outdoor?


On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup > wrote:


Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some
stuff from Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics.
Problem is, all of this existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed
duplex LC (they cannot be split). Long story.

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT PoE for Mimosa C5 / B5-Lite?

2016-08-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

I believe you will find your answer here ... 

http://client.help.mimosa.co/client-faq-voltage-input-specifications 

Very detailed info on what would work... :) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Christopher Gray" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:58:20 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT PoE for Mimosa C5 / B5-Lite?

> What UBNT PoE works for Mimosa C5 and B5-Lite? [Possibly POE-48-24W or
> POE-48-24W-G?]
> Spec says: 48-56 V Power over Ethernet supply, but it doesn't mention the
> requirement at the radio.

> I'd like to use a power supply with built in grounding and surge suppression 
> for
> a few installations, and it seems the UBNT power supplies are the most cost
> effective ways to achieve this.

> -Chris

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Not saying it can't be done or never works.  Just saying it is proper.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> i have a site with Air Fiber 5x running the same 50mhx channel on 3
> different backhauls with no problems of self interference using the 3
> different sync soruces...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> Wavelinc Communications
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> http://www.wavelinc.com
> tel. 419-562-6405
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
>> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the
>> whole tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around
>> with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>>> As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug
>>> the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take
>>> passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any
>>> wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
>>> did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but
>>> I guess you can never have it all.
>>>
>>> Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900 SM
>>> which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.
>>>
>>> On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>>>
>>> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>>> PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>  Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

[AFMUG] UBNT PoE for Mimosa C5 / B5-Lite?

2016-08-16 Thread Christopher Gray

What UBNT PoE works for Mimosa C5 and B5-Lite? [Possibly POE-48-24W or
POE-48-24W-G?]

Spec says: 48-56 V Power over Ethernet supply, but it doesn't mention the
requirement at the radio.

I'd like to use a power supply with built in grounding and surge
suppression for a few installations, and it seems the UBNT power supplies
are the most cost effective ways to achieve this.

-Chris

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

i have a site with Air Fiber 5x running the same 50mhx channel on 3 different 
backhauls with no problems of self interference using the 3 different sync 
soruces...

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:
>> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the whole 
>> tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around with a 
>> CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>> As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug 
>>> the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take 
>>> passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any 
>>> wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually 
>>> did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but 
>>> I guess you can never have it all.
>>> 
>>> Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900 SM 
>>> which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.
>>> 
 On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
 
 I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at PoE 
 which I don't think Netonix supports.
 
 Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
 
 Thanks
 
 -- 
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

2016-08-16 Thread Jason McKemie

I've been using the RB260GS in an ONT enclosure. Also has a SFP cage. Any
reason you need something natively outdoor?

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:

> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
> Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of this
> existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be split).
> Long story.
>

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Reynolds

That's not even close to a real NID though, in terms of features, controls,
monitoring and management.

If you're just looking for the cheapest possible demarc, then fine. If
you're throwing out names like Ciena, Calix, AdTran, Huawei, Accedian,
etc... That's a totally different ball of wax.

It would be like comparing a rb2011 to a Juniper MX5... Both are routers! :)

On Aug 16, 2016 9:14 PM, "Steve Utick"  wrote:

> Maybe something like the MikroTik RBFTC11?  https://www.roc-noc.com/
> mikrotik/routerboard/fiber/RBFTC11.html
>
> Has an SFP cage, so you could put whatever optics in it you need?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:15 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
>> Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of this
>> existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be split).
>> Long story.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

2016-08-16 Thread Steve Utick

Maybe something like the MikroTik RBFTC11?
https://www.roc-noc.com/mikrotik/routerboard/fiber/RBFTC11.html

Has an SFP cage, so you could put whatever optics in it you need?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:15 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
> Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of this
> existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be split).
> Long story.
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

I suspect that's at least partially because the ePMP has an external GPS
antenna, and the PMP450 doesn't.

On Aug 16, 2016 7:58 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:

> Which really sucks, because the onboard GPS in ePMP is quite reliable.
>
> We use a SyncBox to provide sync for FSK and use a Netonix for POE (with
> pairs swapped) with no issues.
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 4:42 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> Yeah well on-board GPS on the 450 isn't exactly reliable. Wrong
> orientation, too close to steel, etc. It's OK for backup though, if it
> works anyway, and I have a couple dozen APs where it doesn't work at all.
>
> You can very easily use a PacketFlux SyncBox12 and time the APs via aux
> port. Of course you'll need the latest revision 'box for the 450i, Rev i0 I
> believe it is. Reverse the blues and browns and power it from a Netonix
> regular 24v switch port if you want. Unless the Netonix will complain about
> POE being on and no ethernet link present, but would that really matter?
>
> On 8/16/2016 4:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the whole
> tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around with
> a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug
>> the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take
>> passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any
>> wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
>> did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but
>> I guess you can never have it all.
>>
>> Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900 SM
>> which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.
>>
>> On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>>
>> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>> PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from 
Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of 
this existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be 
split). Long story.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Baird

Which really sucks, because the onboard GPS in ePMP is quite reliable.

We use a SyncBox to provide sync for FSK and use a Netonix for POE (with pairs 
swapped) with no issues.

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 4:42 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> Yeah well on-board GPS on the 450 isn't exactly reliable. Wrong orientation, 
> too close to steel, etc. It's OK for backup though, if it works anyway, and I 
> have a couple dozen APs where it doesn't work at all.
> 
> You can very easily use a PacketFlux SyncBox12 and time the APs via aux port. 
> Of course you'll need the latest revision 'box for the 450i, Rev i0 I believe 
> it is. Reverse the blues and browns and power it from a Netonix regular 24v 
> switch port if you want. Unless the Netonix will complain about POE being on 
> and no ethernet link present, but would that really matter?
> 
>> On 8/16/2016 4:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the whole 
>> tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around with a 
>> CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>> As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug 
>>> the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take 
>>> passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any 
>>> wires around. It will take either   polarity on any pair. 
>>> Cambium actually did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed 
>>> for 20-60vdc, but I guess you can never have it all.
>>> 
>>> Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900 SM 
>>> which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.
>>> 
>>> On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
 
 I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to   needing 
 48-56V and 802.3at PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
 
 Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
 
 Thanks
 
 -- 
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

True... I was thinking along the lines of, might as well use all four if
you can.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:01 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Nah, the 35W should be fine. That radio is probably not going to use more
> than 20W. And yes, it's only two pairs, but Cambium said that's fine. In
> fact, that's exactly what you get when running on a CMM4 (in 48/56v mode,
> then you have to flip pins 5 & 7 because of the stupid 320/430 pinout).
>
> On 8/16/2016 6:49 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> I would use the 48VH (assuming we're still talking about the 450i AP)
> power on all 4 pairs is what they want, and they don't care about polarity.
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> I know the H has power on all pins so I'd suggest looking in the forum
>> before plugging it in.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2016 7:40 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>>
>>> So should I use regular 48V (0.75A) or 48VH (1.5A) for Netonix powering
>>> 450i AP 900mhz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 i keep trying to preach that.
 i know we have one site with two sync sources
 no apparent problems tho


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman 
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:23 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

 It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
 wrote:

> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the
> whole tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess 
> around
> with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix.
>> Plug the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also
>> take passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change 
>> any
>> wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
>> did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, 
>> but
>> I guess you can never have it all.
>>
>> Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900
>> SM which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.
>>
>> On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>>
>> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and
>> 802.3at PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>  Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Nah, the 35W should be fine. That radio is probably not going to use 
more than 20W. And yes, it's only two pairs, but Cambium said that's 
fine. In fact, that's exactly what you get when running on a CMM4 (in 
48/56v mode, then you have to flip pins 5 & 7 because of the stupid 
320/430 pinout).

On 8/16/2016 6:49 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I would use the 48VH (assuming we're still talking about the 450i AP) 
power on all 4 pairs is what they want, and they don't care about 
polarity.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

I know the H has power on all pins so I'd suggest looking in the
forum before plugging it in.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 16, 2016 7:40 PM, "Darin Steffl" > wrote:

So should I use regular 48V (0.75A) or 48VH (1.5A) for Netonix
powering 450i AP 900mhz?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>
wrote:

i keep trying to preach that.
i know we have one site with two sync sources
no apparent problems tho

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:23 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"
> wrote:

it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync
so i can power the whole tower with one Netonix
Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around
with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to
get timing on 450i

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup
> wrote:

As others have said, you obviously won't get
sync from the Netonix. Plug the 450i *AP* in
and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will
also take passive injected power without
issue. And you don't need to change any wires
around. It will take either polarity on any
pair. Cambium actually did this right. Woulda
been even better if they designed for
20-60vdc, but I guess you can never have it all.

Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is
not 802.3at is the 900 SM which is the old
Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.

On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Hello all,

Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i
900mhz?

I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to
needing 48-56V and 802.3at PoE which I don't
think Netonix supports.

Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm
wrong and it will work?

Thanks

-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like
us on Facebook

-- 
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Minnesota WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

I would use the 48VH (assuming we're still talking about the 450i AP) power
on all 4 pairs is what they want, and they don't care about polarity.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I know the H has power on all pins so I'd suggest looking in the forum
> before plugging it in.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 16, 2016 7:40 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>
>> So should I use regular 48V (0.75A) or 48VH (1.5A) for Netonix powering
>> 450i AP 900mhz?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> i keep trying to preach that.
>>> i know we have one site with two sync sources
>>> no apparent problems tho
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:23 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>>>
>>> It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the
 whole tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around
 with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i

 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:

> As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix.
> Plug the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also
> take passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change 
> any
> wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
> did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but
> I guess you can never have it all.
>
> Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900
> SM which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.
>
> On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>
> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
> PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>
> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>
>

>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Either one should work. Really the only reason you'd need the 1.5A is if 
you're going to daisy chain another POE device onto the aux port. .75A 
should be more than enough for just the AP itself.

On 8/16/2016 6:40 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
So should I use regular 48V (0.75A) or 48VH (1.5A) for Netonix 
powering 450i AP 900mhz?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:

i keep trying to preach that.
i know we have one site with two sync sources
no apparent problems tho

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:23 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"
>
wrote:

it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can
power the whole tower with one Netonix Switch and be done,
but no i gotta mess around with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync
Injector now to get timing on 450i

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup
> wrote:

As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from
the Netonix. Plug the 450i *AP* in and go. It is
802.3at compliant, but it will also take passive
injected power without issue. And you don't need to
change any wires around. It will take either polarity
on any pair. Cambium actually did this right. Woulda
been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but I
guess you can never have it all.

Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not
802.3at is the 900 SM which is the old Canopy 29.5v
like FSK and regular 450.

On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Hello all,

Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing
48-56V and 802.3at PoE which I don't think Netonix
supports.

Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong
and it will work?

Thanks

-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on
Facebook 

--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

I know the H has power on all pins so I'd suggest looking in the forum
before plugging it in.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 16, 2016 7:40 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> So should I use regular 48V (0.75A) or 48VH (1.5A) for Netonix powering
> 450i AP 900mhz?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> i keep trying to preach that.
>> i know we have one site with two sync sources
>> no apparent problems tho
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:23 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>>
>> It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the
>>> whole tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around
>>> with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix.
 Plug the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also
 take passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any
 wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
 did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but
 I guess you can never have it all.

 Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900
 SM which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.

 On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:

 Hello all,

 Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

 I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
 PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.

 Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

 Thanks

 --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  Like us on Facebook
 



>>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Yeah well on-board GPS on the 450 isn't exactly reliable. Wrong 
orientation, too close to steel, etc. It's OK for backup though, if it 
works anyway, and I have a couple dozen APs where it doesn't work at all.


You can very easily use a PacketFlux SyncBox12 and time the APs via aux 
port. Of course you'll need the latest revision 'box for the 450i, Rev 
i0 I believe it is. Reverse the blues and browns and power it from a 
Netonix regular 24v switch port if you want. Unless the Netonix will 
complain about POE being on and no ethernet link present, but would that 
really matter?


On 8/16/2016 4:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the 
whole tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess 
around with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i


On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the
Netonix. Plug the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant,
but it will also take passive injected power without issue. And
you don't need to change any wires around. It will take either
polarity on any pair. Cambium actually did this right. Woulda been
even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but I guess you can
never have it all.

Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the
900 SM which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.

On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Hello all,

Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and
802.3at PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.

Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

Thanks

-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Darin Steffl

So should I use regular 48V (0.75A) or 48VH (1.5A) for Netonix powering
450i AP 900mhz?



On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> i keep trying to preach that.
> i know we have one site with two sync sources
> no apparent problems tho
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>
> It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
>> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the
>> whole tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around
>> with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>>> As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug
>>> the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take
>>> passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any
>>> wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
>>> did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but
>>> I guess you can never have it all.
>>>
>>> Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900 SM
>>> which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.
>>>
>>> On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>>>
>>> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>>> PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>  Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

i keep trying to preach that.
i know we have one site with two sync sources
no apparent problems tho

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

  It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:

it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the whole 
tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around with a 
CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

  As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug 
the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take passive 
injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any wires around. It 
will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually did this right. Woulda 
been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but I guess you can never have 
it all.

  Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900 SM 
which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.

  On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Hello all, 

Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at 
PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.

Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

Thanks

-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Yeah, but it would still be nice if there was on board sync... a lot of
times we only need one 900mhz sector on a tower, in which case on board
sync would be perfectly fine.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
>> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the
>> whole tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around
>> with a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>>> As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug
>>> the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take
>>> passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any
>>> wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
>>> did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but
>>> I guess you can never have it all.
>>>
>>> Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900 SM
>>> which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.
>>>
>>> On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>>>
>>> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>>> PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>  Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

It's proper to have one sync source at the site anyway.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 16, 2016 5:14 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:

> it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the whole
> tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around with
> a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug
>> the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take
>> passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any
>> wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
>> did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but
>> I guess you can never have it all.
>>
>> Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900 SM
>> which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.
>>
>> On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>>
>> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>> PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

it would be better if it (450i) had on-board sync so i can power the whole
tower with one Netonix Switch and be done, but no i gotta mess around with
a CTM2 or Packet Flux Sync Injector now to get timing on 450i

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug
> the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take
> passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any
> wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually
> did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, but
> I guess you can never have it all.
>
> Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900 SM
> which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.
>
> On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>
> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at PoE
> which I don't think Netonix supports.
>
> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

Ug...
(I think I did that once).

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

You know you can do that yourself, though it doesn't have a pretty GUI...

Download the entire ULS database

http://reboot.fcc.gov/license-view/

Import into SQL database (or sqlite)

Search for all entries matching UT and the county_name columns

http://data.fcc.gov/download/license-view/fcc-license-view-data-dictionary.doc

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool.  I wish that you could turn all 
the frequencies on at once.  I also wish it went to other FCC licenses than 
101.  Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm sites.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

Hmm, that can help.

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

there is this google earth plugin that has a lot of AM, FM and TV stuff.  
unfortunately it doesn't include part 101, but it's useful for finding towers 
etc. 

http://www.fccinfo.com/fccinfo_google_earth.php

-Sean

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool.  I wish that you could turn all 
the frequencies on at once.  I also wish it went to other FCC licenses than 
101.  Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm sites.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Sean Heskett

there is this google earth plugin that has a lot of AM, FM and TV stuff.
 unfortunately it doesn't include part 101, but it's useful for finding
towers etc.

http://www.fccinfo.com/fccinfo_google_earth.php

-Sean

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool.  I wish that you could turn
> all the frequencies on at once.  I also wish it went to other FCC licenses
> than 101.  Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm
> sites.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

I wrote a basic tool do searches from my Linux workstation's command line,
it spits out the data. Based on the structure of a Google Earth XML site
entry for a single placemark, it would probably be a small shell script to
populate a template XML with each site. When I'm bored and have time I
might try it.

It's also possible to download the whole ASR database and query it, if you
want to get very specific in an area or just search for things within a
certain height. It won't find towers that are short enough they don't need
to be in the ASR, but it works great for finding major hilltop sites in my
experience. Anything significant enough to have at least one ASR tower and
a road to the top.

26 Structure_State Code char(2)
29 Height of Structure numeric(5,1)
30 Ground Elevation numeric(6,1)
31 Overall Height Above Ground numeric(6,1)
32 Overall Height AMSL numeric(6,1)

http://wireless.fcc.gov/antenna/index.htm?job=uls_transaction=weekly

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Pretty GUIs are usually what make or break something.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:43:29 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa
>
> You know you can do that yourself, though it doesn't have a pretty GUI...
>
> Download the entire ULS database
>
> http://reboot.fcc.gov/license-view/
>
> Import into SQL database (or sqlite)
>
> Search for all entries matching UT and the county_name columns
>
> http://data.fcc.gov/download/license-view/fcc-license-view-
> data-dictionary.doc
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool.  I wish that you could turn
>> all the frequencies on at once.  I also wish it went to other FCC licenses
>> than 101.  Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm
>> sites.
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

Pretty GUIs are usually what make or break something. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:43:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa 






You know you can do that yourself, though it doesn't have a pretty GUI... 

Download the entire ULS database 

http://reboot.fcc.gov/license-view/ 

Import into SQL database (or sqlite) 

Search for all entries matching UT and the county_name columns 

http://data.fcc.gov/download/license-view/fcc-license-view-data-dictionary.doc 









On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool. I wish that you could turn all the 
frequencies on at once. I also wish it went to other FCC licenses than 101. 
Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm sites.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

You know you can do that yourself, though it doesn't have a pretty GUI...

Download the entire ULS database

http://reboot.fcc.gov/license-view/

Import into SQL database (or sqlite)

Search for all entries matching UT and the county_name columns

http://data.fcc.gov/download/license-view/fcc-license-view-data-dictionary.doc






On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool.  I wish that you could turn
> all the frequencies on at once.  I also wish it went to other FCC licenses
> than 101.  Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm
> sites.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Jaime Fink

Yeah we'd like that too, but it's a limitation right now in Google mapping, so 
we had to segregate them :(

Jaime

On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:

Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool.  I wish that you could turn all the 
frequencies on at once.  I also wish it went to other FCC licenses than 101.  
Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm sites.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

As others have said, you obviously won't get sync from the Netonix. Plug 
the 450i *AP* in and go. It is 802.3at compliant, but it will also take 
passive injected power without issue. And you don't need to change any 
wires around. It will take either polarity on any pair. Cambium actually 
did this right. Woulda been even better if they designed for 20-60vdc, 
but I guess you can never have it all.


Out of the 450i series, the only radio that is not 802.3at is the 900 SM 
which is the old Canopy 29.5v like FSK and regular 450.


On 8/16/2016 12:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Hello all,

Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at 
PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.


Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

Thanks

--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

2016-08-16 Thread Jaime Solorza

What?  You vying for free T-shirt?

On Aug 16, 2016 1:07 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool.  I wish that you could turn
> all the frequencies on at once.  I also wish it went to other FCC licenses
> than 101.  Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm
> sites.
>

[AFMUG] Dear Mimosa

Absolutely love your part 101 mapping tool.  I wish that you could turn all the 
frequencies on at once.  I also wish it went to other FCC licenses than 101.  
Great for finding mountain tops that have already developed comm sites.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Don't give them the idea of POE then! =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> That's what I said. If they insist on having it be copper it should be
> 802.3at. SFP radios by default fall into the category of "direct -48VDC
> feed".
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> No.  Wrong.  SFP SFP SFP.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2016 2:20 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>>
>>> In 3-4 years from now, if every new product is not either 802.3at
>>> standards compliant PoE, or direct -48VDC feed (such as carrier-grade PTP
>>> radios that have dual A and B power feeds), I will be really disappointed...
>>>
>>> Stop reinventing the wheel you crazy proprietary vendors. Your PoE
>>> standard is not special or magical and you're wasting engineering hours
>>> designing your own weird PoE.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 We are talking about the PMP450 AP.  Not the 450i AP.  Not any SM.  The
 "PMP450 AP"


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Christopher Tyler <
 ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:

> No, the 450i AP uses normal PoE. The SM/CPE requires a pin swap.
>
> "Access point is now 802.3at compatible and includes an AUX port,
> while the Subscriber can re-use the 30 VDC power supplies common to the 
> PMP
> 100 platform"
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:05:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>
> 450, not 450i
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > wrote:
>
> > The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Tyler
> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > 417.851.1107
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
> >
> > Change the pinout I believe.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
> > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Josh Luthman
> > >> Office: 937-552-2340
> > >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> > >> 1100 Wayne St
> > >> Suite 1337
> > >> Troy, OH 45373
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> > >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House <
> cr...@totalhighspeed.net
> > >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  It will work we're using it in many places
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
> > 
> >  It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
> > 
> > 
> >  bp
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >  On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> > 
> >  Hello all,
> > 
> >  Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
> > 
> >  I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and
> 802.3at
> >  PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
> > 
> >  Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will
> work?
> > 
> >  Thanks
> > 
> >  --
> >  Darin Steffl
> >  Minnesota WiFi
> >  www.mnwifi.com
> >  507-634-WiFi
> >

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

That's what I said. If they insist on having it be copper it should be
802.3at. SFP radios by default fall into the category of "direct -48VDC
feed".



On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> No.  Wrong.  SFP SFP SFP.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 16, 2016 2:20 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
>> In 3-4 years from now, if every new product is not either 802.3at
>> standards compliant PoE, or direct -48VDC feed (such as carrier-grade PTP
>> radios that have dual A and B power feeds), I will be really disappointed...
>>
>> Stop reinventing the wheel you crazy proprietary vendors. Your PoE
>> standard is not special or magical and you're wasting engineering hours
>> designing your own weird PoE.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We are talking about the PMP450 AP.  Not the 450i AP.  Not any SM.  The
>>> "PMP450 AP"
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Christopher Tyler <
>>> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>>>
 No, the 450i AP uses normal PoE. The SM/CPE requires a pin swap.

 "Access point is now 802.3at compatible and includes an AUX port, while
 the Subscriber can re-use the 30 VDC power supplies common to the PMP 100
 platform"

 --
 Christopher Tyler
 MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
 Total Highspeed Internet Services
 417.851.1107

 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:05:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

 450, not 450i


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Tyler <
 ch...@totalhighspeed.net
 > wrote:

 > The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
 >
 > --
 > Christopher Tyler
 > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
 > Total Highspeed Internet Services
 > 417.851.1107
 >
 > - Original Message -
 > From: "Josh Luthman" 
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
 >
 > Change the pinout I believe.
 >
 >
 > Josh Luthman
 > Office: 937-552-2340
 > Direct: 937-552-2343
 > 1100 Wayne St
 > Suite 1337
 > Troy, OH 45373
 >
 > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com
 > >
 > wrote:
 >
 > > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
 > >
 > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
 > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 > > > wrote:
 > >
 > >> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> Josh Luthman
 > >> Office: 937-552-2340
 > >> Direct: 937-552-2343
 > >> 1100 Wayne St
 > >> Suite 1337
 > >> Troy, OH 45373
 > >>
 > >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
 > >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
 > >>
 > >>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
 > >>>
 > >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House <
 cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 > >
 > >>> wrote:
 > >>>
 >  It will work we're using it in many places
 > 
 >  Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince 
 wrote:
 > 
 >  It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
 > 
 > 
 >  bp
 >  
 > 
 > 
 >  On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
 > 
 >  Hello all,
 > 
 >  Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
 > 
 >  I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and
 802.3at
 >  PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
 > 
 >  Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will
 work?
 > 
 >  Thanks
 > 
 >  --
 >  Darin Steffl
 >  Minnesota WiFi
 >  www.mnwifi.com
 >  507-634-WiFi
 >   Like us on Facebook
 >  
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > >>>
 > >>
 > >
 >

>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

No.  Wrong.  SFP SFP SFP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 16, 2016 2:20 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> In 3-4 years from now, if every new product is not either 802.3at
> standards compliant PoE, or direct -48VDC feed (such as carrier-grade PTP
> radios that have dual A and B power feeds), I will be really disappointed...
>
> Stop reinventing the wheel you crazy proprietary vendors. Your PoE
> standard is not special or magical and you're wasting engineering hours
> designing your own weird PoE.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> We are talking about the PMP450 AP.  Not the 450i AP.  Not any SM.  The
>> "PMP450 AP"
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Christopher Tyler <
>> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>>> No, the 450i AP uses normal PoE. The SM/CPE requires a pin swap.
>>>
>>> "Access point is now 802.3at compatible and includes an AUX port, while
>>> the Subscriber can re-use the 30 VDC power supplies common to the PMP 100
>>> platform"
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher Tyler
>>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>>> 417.851.1107
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:05:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>>>
>>> 450, not 450i
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Tyler <
>>> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Christopher Tyler
>>> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>>> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
>>> > 417.851.1107
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>>> >
>>> > Change the pinout I believe.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Josh Luthman
>>> > >> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > >> 1100 Wayne St
>>> > >> Suite 1337
>>> > >> Troy, OH 45373
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> > >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House <
>>> cr...@totalhighspeed.net
>>> > >
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> >  It will work we're using it in many places
>>> > 
>>> >  Sent from my iPhone
>>> > 
>>> >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >  It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> >  bp
>>> >  
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> >  On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >  Hello all,
>>> > 
>>> >  Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>>> > 
>>> >  I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and
>>> 802.3at
>>> >  PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>>> > 
>>> >  Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will
>>> work?
>>> > 
>>> >  Thanks
>>> > 
>>> >  --
>>> >  Darin Steffl
>>> >  Minnesota WiFi
>>> >  www.mnwifi.com
>>> >  507-634-WiFi
>>> >   Like us on Facebook
>>> >  
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

In 3-4 years from now, if every new product is not either 802.3at standards
compliant PoE, or direct -48VDC feed (such as carrier-grade PTP radios that
have dual A and B power feeds), I will be really disappointed...

Stop reinventing the wheel you crazy proprietary vendors. Your PoE standard
is not special or magical and you're wasting engineering hours designing
your own weird PoE.


On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> We are talking about the PMP450 AP.  Not the 450i AP.  Not any SM.  The
> "PMP450 AP"
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> No, the 450i AP uses normal PoE. The SM/CPE requires a pin swap.
>>
>> "Access point is now 802.3at compatible and includes an AUX port, while
>> the Subscriber can re-use the 30 VDC power supplies common to the PMP 100
>> platform"
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> 417.851.1107
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:05:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>>
>> 450, not 450i
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Tyler <
>> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Christopher Tyler
>> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> > 417.851.1107
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>> >
>> > Change the pinout I believe.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Josh Luthman
>> > >> Office: 937-552-2340
>> > >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > >> 1100 Wayne St
>> > >> Suite 1337
>> > >> Troy, OH 45373
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> > >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House <
>> cr...@totalhighspeed.net
>> > >
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> >  It will work we're using it in many places
>> > 
>> >  Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
>> >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>> > 
>> >  It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  bp
>> >  
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>> > 
>> >  Hello all,
>> > 
>> >  Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>> > 
>> >  I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and
>> 802.3at
>> >  PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>> > 
>> >  Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will
>> work?
>> > 
>> >  Thanks
>> > 
>> >  --
>> >  Darin Steffl
>> >  Minnesota WiFi
>> >  www.mnwifi.com
>> >  507-634-WiFi
>> >   Like us on Facebook
>> >  
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

We are talking about the PMP450 AP.  Not the 450i AP.  Not any SM.  The
"PMP450 AP"


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> No, the 450i AP uses normal PoE. The SM/CPE requires a pin swap.
>
> "Access point is now 802.3at compatible and includes an AUX port, while
> the Subscriber can re-use the 30 VDC power supplies common to the PMP 100
> platform"
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:05:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>
> 450, not 450i
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > wrote:
>
> > The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Tyler
> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > 417.851.1107
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
> >
> > Change the pinout I believe.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
> > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Josh Luthman
> > >> Office: 937-552-2340
> > >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> > >> 1100 Wayne St
> > >> Suite 1337
> > >> Troy, OH 45373
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> > >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House <
> cr...@totalhighspeed.net
> > >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  It will work we're using it in many places
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:
> > 
> >  It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
> > 
> > 
> >  bp
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >  On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> > 
> >  Hello all,
> > 
> >  Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
> > 
> >  I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and
> 802.3at
> >  PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
> > 
> >  Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will
> work?
> > 
> >  Thanks
> > 
> >  --
> >  Darin Steffl
> >  Minnesota WiFi
> >  www.mnwifi.com
> >  507-634-WiFi
> >   Like us on Facebook
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Sorry got a bit confused with the 450/450i discussion.Josh is correct, the 450 
AP is reversed the 450i AP is not.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Tyler" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

No, the 450i AP uses normal PoE. The SM/CPE requires a pin swap.

"Access point is now 802.3at compatible and includes an AUX port, while the 
Subscriber can re-use the 30 VDC power supplies common to the PMP 100 platform"

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

450, not 450i


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>
> Change the pinout I believe.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  >
> wrote:
>
> > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
> >>
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  It will work we're using it in many places
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
>  It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
> 
>  On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> 
>  Hello all,
> 
>  Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
> 
>  I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>  PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
> 
>  Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
> 
>  Thanks
> 
>  --
>  Darin Steffl
>  Minnesota WiFi
>  www.mnwifi.com
>  507-634-WiFi
>   Like us on Facebook
>  
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

No, the 450i AP uses normal PoE. The SM/CPE requires a pin swap.

"Access point is now 802.3at compatible and includes an AUX port, while the 
Subscriber can re-use the 30 VDC power supplies common to the PMP 100 platform"

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

450, not 450i


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>
> Change the pinout I believe.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  >
> wrote:
>
> > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
> >>
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  It will work we're using it in many places
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
>  It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
> 
>  On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> 
>  Hello all,
> 
>  Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
> 
>  I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>  PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
> 
>  Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
> 
>  Thanks
> 
>  --
>  Darin Steffl
>  Minnesota WiFi
>  www.mnwifi.com
>  507-634-WiFi
>   Like us on Facebook
>  
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can I salt the wounds?

2016-08-16 Thread Eric Muehleisen

That's a pretty old spec sheet. Copyright 2012

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Ya the spec sheet still says 450 works with FSK radios =P
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
>
>> what salty wounds are you talking about? The FSK compatibility thing? I'm
>> just thankfull they made sync work between the two platforms, i was still
>> able to migrate customers without major issues...
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/Cambium_Networks_P
>>> MP_450_Access_Point_Specification.pdf
>>>
>>> The Cambium Networks Point-to-Multipoint (PMP) 450 Access Point (AP) can
>>> provide more than 90 Mbps throughput and is *interoperable with PMP 430
>>> and PMP 100 Series Subscriber Modules (SM)*
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

450, not 450i


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>
> Change the pinout I believe.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  >
> wrote:
>
> > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
> >>
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  It will work we're using it in many places
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
>  It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
> 
>  On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> 
>  Hello all,
> 
>  Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
> 
>  I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>  PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
> 
>  Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
> 
>  Thanks
> 
>  --
>  Darin Steffl
>  Minnesota WiFi
>  www.mnwifi.com
>  507-634-WiFi
>   Like us on Facebook
>  
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

so the 24v radios will still link their ethernet at gigabit after you
switch the brown/blue wires?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> The SM's are still reversed and use the 30c Cambium power supply, but the
> AP's are not.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Tyler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:01:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>
> The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix
>
> Change the pinout I believe.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  >
> wrote:
>
> > how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
> >>
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  It will work we're using it in many places
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
>  It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
> 
>  On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> 
>  Hello all,
> 
>  Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
> 
>  I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>  PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
> 
>  Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
> 
>  Thanks
> 
>  --
>  Darin Steffl
>  Minnesota WiFi
>  www.mnwifi.com
>  507-634-WiFi
>   Like us on Facebook
>  
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can I salt the wounds?

Ya the spec sheet still says 450 works with FSK radios =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> what salty wounds are you talking about? The FSK compatibility thing? I'm
> just thankfull they made sync work between the two platforms, i was still
> able to migrate customers without major issues...
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/Cambium_Networks_
>> PMP_450_Access_Point_Specification.pdf
>>
>> The Cambium Networks Point-to-Multipoint (PMP) 450 Access Point (AP) can
>> provide more than 90 Mbps throughput and is *interoperable with PMP 430
>> and PMP 100 Series Subscriber Modules (SM)*
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can I salt the wounds?

what salty wounds are you talking about? The FSK compatibility thing? I'm
just thankfull they made sync work between the two platforms, i was still
able to migrate customers without major issues...

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/Cambium_
> Networks_PMP_450_Access_Point_Specification.pdf
>
> The Cambium Networks Point-to-Multipoint (PMP) 450 Access Point (AP) can
> provide more than 90 Mbps throughput and is *interoperable with PMP 430
> and PMP 100 Series Subscriber Modules (SM)*
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

The SM's are still reversed and use the 30c Cambium power supply, but the AP's 
are not.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Tyler" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:01:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Change the pinout I believe.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It will work we're using it in many places

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:

 It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.


 bp
 


 On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

 Hello all,

 Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

 I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
 PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.

 Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

 Thanks

 --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  Like us on Facebook
 



>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

The 450i AP's use standard PoE. It's not reversed.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Change the pinout I believe.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It will work we're using it in many places

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:

 It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.


 bp
 


 On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

 Hello all,

 Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

 I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
 PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.

 Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

 Thanks

 --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  Like us on Facebook
 



>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Reynolds

One could wire up the shielded keystone that way :)

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It will work we're using it in many places

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:

 It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.


 bp
 


 On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

 Hello all,

 Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

 I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
 PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.

 Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

 Thanks

 --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  Like us on Facebook
 



>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Change the pinout I believe.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It will work we're using it in many places

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:

 It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.


 bp
 


 On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

 Hello all,

 Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

 I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
 PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.

 Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

 Thanks

 --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  Like us on Facebook
 



>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

how do you do gigabit with the 24v polarity needing reversed?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 24v and 48v but Netonix does both
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
>
>> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It will work we're using it in many places
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>>>
>>> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>>> PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>  Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Can I salt the wounds?

https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/Cambium_Networks_PMP_450_Access_Point_Specification.pdf

The Cambium Networks Point-to-Multipoint (PMP) 450 Access Point (AP) can
provide more than 90 Mbps throughput and is *interoperable with PMP 430 and
PMP 100 Series Subscriber Modules (SM)*

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

24v and 48v but Netonix does both


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House 
> wrote:
>
>> It will work we're using it in many places
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>>
>> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at
>> PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

pmp450 and pmp450i have different poe voltages

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Craig House 
wrote:

> It will work we're using it in many places
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>
> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at PoE
> which I don't think Netonix supports.
>
> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Craig House

It will work we're using it in many places

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:30, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>> 
>> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at PoE 
>> which I don't think Netonix supports.
>> 
>> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -- 
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Bill Prince


It will probably power it, but it won't provide sync.


bp


On 8/16/2016 10:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Hello all,

Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at 
PoE which I don't think Netonix supports.


Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

Thanks

--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

Bunch of people in the forum are powering pmp450 so I would safely say yes.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?
>
> I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at PoE
> which I don't think Netonix supports.
>
> Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
> ___
> Members mailing list
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>
>

[AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz and Netonix

2016-08-16 Thread Darin Steffl

Hello all,

Will a Netonix 48V switch power the PMP450i 900mhz?

I'm leaning towards that it will NOT due to needing 48-56V and 802.3at PoE
which I don't think Netonix supports.

Can anyone confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm wrong and it will work?

Thanks

-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep itcompetitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Ken Hohhof

This sounds like the situation faced in a lot of European cities where 
digging up streets and sidewalks is prohibitively expensive or just not 
feasible.


Do we know yet if they are looking at wireless direct to the customer, or as 
a backhaul to feed a fiber distribution point?


If it's wireless to the customer, I am reminded of "Starry" which I almost 
wonder if it's some kind of scam.  Now you have the problem of getting LOS 
from a window antenna at every customer, or else negotiating roof rights 
with every MDU and MTU building owner (which yes is reminiscent of Winstar 
and Teligent).



-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep 
itcompetitive |Computerworld


On 8/16/16 07:39, Chuck McCown wrote:

Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super
special wireless is an evolution in broadband.
But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google.



There's still enough people around that believe everything Google
touches is gold.

On the other hand, WISPs can now claim they use the same technology
Google is using to deliver service.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep itcompetitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 8/16/16 07:39, Chuck McCown wrote:

Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super
special wireless is an evolution in broadband.
But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google.



There's still enough people around that believe everything Google 
touches is gold.


On the other hand, WISPs can now claim they use the same technology 
Google is using to deliver service.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keepitcompetitive|Computerworld

Yeah, use a Google Gig connection at a customer’s house to feed the APs on 
their roof...
VPN them.  That would make life easy.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could 
keepitcompetitive|Computerworld

it would be funny if a WISP moved into a google fiber city and started stealing 
their customers!

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Robert Andrews  wrote:

  Silly Valley is anything but egalitarian...But it is a pretty good 
meritocracy...

  On 08/16/2016 07:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Be interesting to see a map of Google deployments overlayed with a map
of racial/cultural demographics for the same area...
I’ll bet there is a helluva digital divide goin’ on.
*From:* Chuck McCown 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:39 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could
keepitcompetitive |Computerworld
Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super
special wireless is an evolution in broadband.
But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google.
It appears they found that fiber is more expensive to do and less
lucrative (the way they do it) than they thought.  Moreover the loss of
goodwill from cherry picking customers is giving them a black eye.
OK fine, wireless will be much more egalitarian, quick and easy to
deploy, right...
Let’s sound retreat and go back to ball and musket.  Those damned
repeating rifles are too costly.
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:32 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep
itcompetitive |Computerworld

Remember winstar and others who tried?  Look at Vivint...

On Aug 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:

Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems.
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it
competitive |Computerworld

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3107835/wireless-networking/a-google-fiber-move-to-wireless-could-keep-it-competitive.html

I laughed

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keepitcompetitive |Computerworld

it would be funny if a WISP moved into a google fiber city and started
stealing their customers!

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Silly Valley is anything but egalitarian...But it is a pretty good
> meritocracy...
>
> On 08/16/2016 07:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Be interesting to see a map of Google deployments overlayed with a map
>> of racial/cultural demographics for the same area...
>> I’ll bet there is a helluva digital divide goin’ on.
>> *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:39 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could
>> keepitcompetitive |Computerworld
>> Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super
>> special wireless is an evolution in broadband.
>> But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google.
>> It appears they found that fiber is more expensive to do and less
>> lucrative (the way they do it) than they thought.  Moreover the loss of
>> goodwill from cherry picking customers is giving them a black eye.
>> OK fine, wireless will be much more egalitarian, quick and easy to
>> deploy, right...
>> Let’s sound retreat and go back to ball and musket.  Those damned
>> repeating rifles are too costly.
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:32 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep
>> itcompetitive |Computerworld
>>
>> Remember winstar and others who tried?  Look at Vivint...
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Chuck McCown" > > wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems.
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it
>> competitive |Computerworld
>>
>> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3107835/wireless-networ
>> king/a-google-fiber-move-to-wireless-could-keep-it-competitive.html
>> > rking/a-google-fiber-move-to-wireless-could-keep-it-competitive.html>
>> I laughed
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keepitcompetitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Robert Andrews

Silly Valley is anything but egalitarian...But it is a pretty good
meritocracy...

On 08/16/2016 07:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Be interesting to see a map of Google deployments overlayed with a map
of racial/cultural demographics for the same area...
I’ll bet there is a helluva digital divide goin’ on.
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:39 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could
keepitcompetitive |Computerworld
Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super
special wireless is an evolution in broadband.
But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google.
It appears they found that fiber is more expensive to do and less
lucrative (the way they do it) than they thought. Moreover the loss of
goodwill from cherry picking customers is giving them a black eye.
OK fine, wireless will be much more egalitarian, quick and easy to
deploy, right...
Let’s sound retreat and go back to ball and musket. Those damned
repeating rifles are too costly.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:32 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep
itcompetitive |Computerworld

Remember winstar and others who tried? Look at Vivint...

On Aug 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:

Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it
competitive |Computerworld

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3107835/wireless-networking/a-google-fiber-move-to-wireless-could-keep-it-competitive.html

I laughed

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep itcompetitive |Computerworld

Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super special 
wireless is an evolution in broadband.
But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google.  

It appears they found that fiber is more expensive to do and less lucrative 
(the way they do it) than they thought.  Moreover the loss of goodwill from 
cherry picking customers is giving them a black eye.  

OK fine, wireless will be much more egalitarian, quick and easy to deploy, 
right...
Let’s sound retreat and go back to ball and musket.  Those damned repeating 
rifles are too costly.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:32 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep itcompetitive 
|Computerworld

Remember winstar and others who tried?  Look at Vivint... 


On Aug 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it competitive 
|Computerworld

  
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3107835/wireless-networking/a-google-fiber-move-to-wireless-could-keep-it-competitive.html
  I laughed

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keepitcompetitive |Computerworld

Be interesting to see a map of Google deployments overlayed with a map of 
racial/cultural demographics for the same area...
I’ll bet there is a helluva digital divide goin’ on.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:39 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keepitcompetitive 
|Computerworld

Google is going to attempt to sell the world that their exotic super special 
wireless is an evolution in broadband.
But the world will detect the odor of BS in the air and call BS on Google.  

It appears they found that fiber is more expensive to do and less lucrative 
(the way they do it) than they thought.  Moreover the loss of goodwill from 
cherry picking customers is giving them a black eye.  

OK fine, wireless will be much more egalitarian, quick and easy to deploy, 
right...
Let’s sound retreat and go back to ball and musket.  Those damned repeating 
rifles are too costly.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:32 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep itcompetitive 
|Computerworld

Remember winstar and others who tried?  Look at Vivint... 

On Aug 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it competitive 
|Computerworld

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3107835/wireless-networking/a-google-fiber-move-to-wireless-could-keep-it-competitive.html
  I laughed

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it competitive |Computerworld

2016-08-16 Thread Jaime Solorza

Remember winstar and others who tried?  Look at Vivint...

On Aug 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it
> competitive |Computerworld
>
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3107835/wireless-
> networking/a-google-fiber-move-to-wireless-could-keep-it-competitive.html
> I laughed
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

oh! I hadn't seen that they have them with N connectors now...

I was actually thinking about this the other day... if we were to put up 8
(or even 12) horns instead of 4 90 degree sectors, we'd be able to get away
with using ePMP LiteAP's on most, if not all of our sites. I'm thinking
that the cost wouldn't be significantly more than using full APs with 90
degree sectors, and it should be way better in just about every way.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Get more of them?  :-)
>
>
> I saw someone in NZ (I actually think he's on this list to) had replaced
> their UBNT 120* sector with 4x 30* horns and everything was better after.
>
>
>
> 41 dB F/B sure is nice on a "sector".  :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:42:58 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
> These Horns does not have a „sector pattern“. So they are useless for
> normal towers where you want 360 degree coverage in the first place. But
> they are great as additional sectors for segments where there are more
> users. They have the best FB/Ratio you can get.
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Adam Moffett
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 16. August 2016 15:31
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> I've never looked closely.  Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in
> the elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric
> sector for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth.
>
> Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
> I'm not sure if that all jives.  The energy has to go somewhere...if it's
> not coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear.  I.E.
> if it's not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher
> rather than lower?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> "Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those
> that have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight
> with the antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across
> the band and across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major
> nulls where your 18 dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has
> almost no emissions outside of the intended area. That means you have a
> significantly lower amount of noise heard from outside the intended area.
> *May* not have as much signal, but the noise should be more than the
> difference less.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

Get more of them? :-) 


I saw someone in NZ (I actually think he's on this list to) had replaced their 
UBNT 120* sector with 4x 30* horns and everything was better after. 



41 dB F/B sure is nice on a "sector". :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Stefan Englhardt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:42:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 



These Horns does not have a „sector pattern“. So they are useless for normal 
towers where you want 360 degree coverage in the first place. But they are 
great as additional sectors for segments where there are more users. They have 
the best FB/Ratio you can get. 



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Moffett 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2016 15:31 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 


I've never looked closely. Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in the 
elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 






Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric sector 
for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth. 

Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





- Original Message -


From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com , af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 

I'm not sure if that all jives. The energy has to go somewhere...if it's not 
coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear. I.E. if it's 
not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher rather than 
lower? 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 






"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those that 
have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight with the 
antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across the band and 
across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 
dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions 
outside of the intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount 
of noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much signal, 
but the noise should be more than the difference less. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






- Original Message -


From: "Matt" < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask. 

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Josh Reynolds

That's not true at all, in fact you will likely have more uniform coverage
for 256QAM sites - especially for those customers closer to the tower.
Ideally you'd be using the 30-60deg horns to keep per AP density as low as
reasonably possible, but for the suburbs / subdivisions these are great.

On Aug 16, 2016 8:42 AM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

> These Horns does not have a „sector pattern“. So they are useless for
> normal towers where you want 360 degree coverage in the first place. But
> they are great as additional sectors for segments where there are more
> users. They have the best FB/Ratio you can get.
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Adam Moffett
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 16. August 2016 15:31
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> I've never looked closely.  Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in
> the elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
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> Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric
> sector for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth.
>
> Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
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> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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> 
> The Brothers WISP 
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>
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
> I'm not sure if that all jives.  The energy has to go somewhere...if it's
> not coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear.  I.E.
> if it's not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher
> rather than lower?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> "Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those
> that have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight
> with the antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across
> the band and across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major
> nulls where your 18 dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has
> almost no emissions outside of the intended area. That means you have a
> significantly lower amount of noise heard from outside the intended area.
> *May* not have as much signal, but the noise should be more than the
> difference less.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
> > Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and
> it's smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.
>
> There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be
> limiting.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Stefan Englhardt

These Horns does not have a „sector pattern“. So they are useless for normal 
towers where you want 360 degree coverage in the first place. But they are 
great as additional sectors for segments where there are more users. They have 
the best FB/Ratio you can get.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Moffett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2016 15:31
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements



I've never looked closely.  Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in the 
elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it.





-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett"  >

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements



Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric sector 
for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth.

Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   






  _


From: "Adam Moffett"  >
To: af@afmug.com  , af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

I'm not sure if that all jives.  The energy has to go somewhere...if it's not 
coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear.  I.E. if it's 
not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher rather than 
lower?





-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett"  >

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements



"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those that 
have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight with the 
antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across the band and 
across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 
dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions 
outside of the intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount 
of noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much signal, 
but the noise should be more than the difference less.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   






  _


From: "Matt"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

Open waveguide has about 10 dB of gain by itself.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and 
it's smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be 
limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Adam Moffett

I've never looked closely.  Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in 
the elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it.

-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric 
sector for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth.

Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

I'm not sure if that all jives.  The energy has to go somewhere...if 
it's not coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or 
rear.  I.E. if it's not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't 
the gain by higher rather than lower?

-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and 
those that have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be 
compared straight with the antennas we're used to. For one, it's a 
consistent value across the band and across the intended radiation 
pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 dB antenna is really 
only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions outside of the 
intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount of 
noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much 
signal, but the noise should be more than the difference less.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 
(and it's smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be 
limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it competitive |Computerworld

Yeah, kinda throwing in the towel it seems.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:22 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it competitive 
|Computerworld

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3107835/wireless-networking/a-google-fiber-move-to-wireless-could-keep-it-competitive.html
I laughed

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric sector 
for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth. 

Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 


I'm not sure if that all jives. The energy has to go somewhere...if it's not 
coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear. I.E. if it's 
not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher rather than 
lower? 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 




"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those that 
have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight with the 
antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across the band and 
across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 
dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions 
outside of the intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount 
of noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much signal, 
but the noise should be more than the difference less. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





- Original Message -

From: "Matt" < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask. 

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Adam Moffett

I'm not sure if that all jives.  The energy has to go somewhere...if 
it's not coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or 
rear.  I.E. if it's not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the 
gain by higher rather than lower?

-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and 
those that have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be 
compared straight with the antennas we're used to. For one, it's a 
consistent value across the band and across the intended radiation 
pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 dB antenna is really 
only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions outside of the 
intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount of 
noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much 
signal, but the noise should be more than the difference less.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 
(and it's smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be 
limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those that 
have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight with the 
antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across the band and 
across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 
dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions 
outside of the intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount 
of noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much signal, 
but the noise should be more than the difference less. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask. 

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-16 Thread Matt

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements