Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Like you should have trusted them going backwards? On 8/10/18 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: THAT is the biggest part of the whole situation. Who is going to trust Ubiquiti going forward? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Higher courts don't have juries. They are all judges. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 2:57 PM CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > true, but they're also requesting a jury trial. not sure that would come > into play unless the case were moved up to higher courts? > i guess a lawyer defending could argue a

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I don’t quite understand how a radio can be legal Part 15 if it is running different software than what it was tested with. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 5:26 PM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium Yeah, I think Cambium uses a new version of the chipset,

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

So much for being the winner by disruption... Yeah, you could see this coming. Dear Robert has a lot of expenses... I just replaced a bunch of legacy ubnt because of flat out chip failure. Old electronics that fail not because of exposure to discharges or stuff like that. Just too

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

So yeah they are talking about the extra Tx power.  They're also claiming copyright, DMCA, RICO, CFA, and software licenses violations. They also claim mail and wire fraud related to marketing the hacked firmware. In a nutshell, they refer to Blip and Winncomm as "co-conspirators" because

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

If the situations were reversed.. would you think Cambium would go after Ubiquiti? Or would they just let it slide? > On Aug 10, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > THAT is the biggest part of the whole situation. Who is going to trust > Ubiquiti going forward? > > > > - > Mike

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

The last I knew, WISPs were still about half of UBNT's revenue. The problem doesn't just apply to WISPs. UBNT has now proven that they're willing to sue their customers over things unrelated to lack of payment. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I hope not they'll all sue me On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 12:53 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > Right, the fanboys will probably think this is great, but in reality, > they're a probably a pretty insignificant percentage of their customers. > As things stand now, I use both and I use whichever product

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Supreme court cases says you can open and tinker etc without voiding warranties. I don’t think a license agreement binds you to anything anymore when it comes to this type of activity. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Cambium is not public. Will they counter sue? You never know. UBNT earnings is August 24th. Put your bets in ladies. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Daytime # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: www.surfici.net [ICI] What

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I don't know if it's just the company for which I work, and the business agreement they have with Microsoft, or if it's universal, but we're not allowed to publish the results of any benchmarking tests we run related to anything made by MicroSoft. For instance, if we compared the performance

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Once you've bought the hardware, you can put software on it, but the question is can somebody else sell software that specifically requires you to violate an EULA. Another interesting side note, is that Cambium doesn't actually sell the firmware, that's free to download on their website for anyone

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lent violation

& burnt it and buried the ashes... Rev Bob from way back in 88... On 8/10/18 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: But do you have the shirt? On Aug 10, 2018 11:15 AM, "Robert" > wrote: Sorry, already a devotee to Reverend Bob On 8/10/18 9:11 AM, Steve

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Well, one would hope that this company did something a little more substantial than just say some bad stuff for them to take it that far... On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:50 PM Robert wrote: > They have... > > On 8/10/18 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > Right, the fanboys will probably think this

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Would the EULA keep you from using their bootloader? From: Mathew Howard Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 2:43 PM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium Once you've bought the hardware, you can put software on it, but the question is can somebody else sell software that

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Or short Cambium you never know. MoviePass is selling at 5.1 cents per share right now. Or 20 milli cents in pre split dollars. Millipennys? Money is metric, right? In other words, I bought at 60 cents and it is now at 0.020 cents... From: Tyson Burris Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

oh yes they are. the agreement itself tells the user what they can and can't do. the lawsuit is saying cambium violated that agreement by changing the code, etc, and even using / reusing some of the same code. and replacing the copyright with cambium's copyright, lots of little things

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Looked like a strong case to me. Especially since you have to agree to the license agreement before you can do anything. That being said, I don't think you have to agree to a license agreement to load firmware in recovery mode. But recovery mode wasn't mentioned anywhere in the document that

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Looks like its time to short the hell of UBNT stock. I don’t see a lawsuit as a favorable to WISP opinions. Dragging WISPs and Vendors into it is very sticky. Could end up being negative. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Daytime #

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Is Cambium publically traded? From: Tyson Burris Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:19 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium Looks like its time to short the hell of UBNT stock. I don’t see a lawsuit as a favorable to WISP opinions. Dragging WISPs

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

true. i used a poor choice of words ;) - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium Infringed yes. Damaged? How? From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Lawsuit may allow access to sales records. Same thing happened with White Viper back in the direct TV days. That’s how Direct TV went after the users of their products. Took a bit but certainly possible. DSJ From: AF On Behalf Of ja...@remotelylocated.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:36

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

OK, but if you violate a software agreement, you should just simply stop using the code, right? Does Cambium root the radio or is there still UBNT code running? I have not followed this product at all. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:46 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

You can always request a jury trial. Even for the tiniest cases except small claims court. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium true, but they're also requesting a jury trial. not sure

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Ubiquiti contends that some of their software is still running after you install Elevate. They never refer to Elevate by name; throughout the document they call it "Hacked Firmware" capitalized like a proper noun. AirOS is OpenWRT (ie Linux).  The hardware is a general purpose computer in a

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Sure sounds to me like echos of people rooting iphones and apple computers. Lawyers always like to call the alleged misdeeds of the other side by the most nefarious sounding tags possible. If you did not decompile, or in anyway modify firmware, you did not hack it. Moreover, it would be

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

They have... On 8/10/18 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Right, the fanboys will probably think this is great, but in reality, they're a probably a pretty insignificant percentage of their customers. As things stand now, I use both and I use whichever product works better in any particular

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

They have sued forum contributors to shut them up. On 8/10/18 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well, one would hope that this company did something a little more substantial than just say some bad stuff for them to take it that far... On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:50 PM Robert

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I didn't know that... that's kind of disturbing. But on the other hand, shutting up a lot of the people on their forum would have improved it... On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:11 PM Robert wrote: > They have sued forum contributors to shut them up. > > On 8/10/18 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > >

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Dell isn't harmed when you install Linux on your computer. Likewise I don't see how Ubiquiti is harmed when you install Elevate. Someone has to spell out the difference for me. On 8/10/2018 2:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: so - assuming they are held liable and have to pay damages how much do

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

That's only relevant if the government hasn't already preempted what UBNT is requiring. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Mike's looking to record a special edition of TBW somewhere between 3 - 7 hours from now. Let him know if you want to participate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett"

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

No, they don't have root anything... it's no different from flashing a new version of the Ubiquiti firmware, from the users perspective. The Ubiquiti TFTP recovery process still works as normal afterwards, so I'm assuming they're leaving the bootloader (or whatever other lower level stuff is

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Point taken.  Not trying to start a fight with you. On 8/10/2018 4:39 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: Not my argumenthow I interpreted ubnt's argument. Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium Date: Fri, Aug 10, 2018

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

My guess will be they are going for an injunction asap probably in Texas and hoping the injunction does all the necessary damage. It's what you do when you are watching something happen in a little way that implies something much worse about to happen. On 8/10/18 10:52 AM, David Coudron

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

& much worse if they get an injunction that allows them to stop anybody from using the software, whether or not they are part of the lawsuit.. Ponder that and cringe... On 8/10/18 10:56 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: I would be concerned as well, and was concerned several years ago, which is why I

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Dell doesn't make/profit from Windows muchly, that is a big difference. Dell doesn't have to worry about linux violating FCC rules ( not laws ).. I haven't run elevate, are there switches/controls that might allow power/frequency violations? Isn't the chipset basically the same as Cambium

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Yeah, I think Cambium uses a new version of the chipset, but it's basically the same thing. I'd have to check, but I think that the power limits may be slightly different with the Cambium firmware (particularly at the bottom end of the UNII-1 band)... it also wouldn't surprise me if there were

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I had to have special motorola test software when doing FCC type approvals for my antennas. I would think loading something onto UBNT that could cause it to misbehave would invalidate the FCC approval. But folks have been rooting linksys routers for years. Hmmm From: Mathew Howard

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

if that is the case then i don't think there is much of a case there. - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium Supreme court cases says you can open

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

so - assuming they are held liable and have to pay damages how much do ya'll estimate they've made from elevate? now, don't get me wrong, i have a soft spot for both companies. they've both made me a lot of money. i hate to see them doing this - - but i fully see ubnt's point of view too.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Interesting. I would consider this a fairly significant lawsuit considering the amount of sales volume WISPs generate. No prints or tapes on the matter anywhere. I can remember back in the day (2012) telling Herb Greenberg at CNBC that UBNT @ 8-9 per share was an awesome buy. Man, think of the

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

If this case makes it to a jury, do you think the evidence presented to the jury will include a demonstration of an UBNT radio that was "pwned by skynet"? On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:15 PM wrote: > You can always request a jury trial. Even for the tiniest cases except > small claims court. > >

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Ubiquiti will never win this in the long run. You start suing customers, customers leave you. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Lewis Bergman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

the jury isn't going to have a clue what you're talking about. in fact, they're not going to understand most of the techno babble. unless they manage to land a juror who has run cambium or ubnt gear, that is going to be irrelevant... - Original Message - From: Robert Andrews

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Case study\testimonial. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ja...@remotelylocated.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:24:56 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

No disagreement. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Lewis Bergman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:56:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Would be a bitch if the fcc went after operators using elevate for non compliance. But remember ubnt had the deal with fcc over locking down their hardware way back because of all the bofh running illegal with the custom loads. This could simply be a cya over the terms of that arrangement On Fri,

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

The thing I'm wondering about here, is what are they suing the WISP for (yes, I'm too lazy to go find the documents and read them)? On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:57 AM Lewis Bergman wrote: > My statement still stands. > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 10:10 AM Faisal Imtiaz > wrote: > >> Love the

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

THAT is the biggest part of the whole situation. Who is going to trust Ubiquiti going forward? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ben Royer" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I am by no means a fan of ubiquiti but I doubt the impact will be of any great consequence to sales. I would like to know what percentage of sales go to wisps but I bet it isn't all that enormous. Secondly, if you are a fan of them, this is probably a cheering squad opportunity. On Fri, Aug 10,

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I just read the 72 pages. I think they make a good case. - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium Elevate is just software. Ubiquiti already sold the hardware and never

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

There are fanboys of both brands and then there are grownups. The fanboys won't be swayed. The grownups may determine the risk isn't worth it. I use both brands. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I imagine the reason it didn't happen sooner, is because of the fact that it makes Ubiquiti look really bad (especially the part about suing a WISP... ). Also, they were probably trying to come up with an argument that would hold up. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:55 AM Jason McKemie <

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

That can all be fabricated. Unless UBNT has solid proof, screen shots of MAC address showing in Cambium firmware the case against the WISP is again just hearsay. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Case study\testimonial. > > > > - > Mike

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Yeah, so they aren't actually suing the WISP because they were using it, they're suing them because they're saying they helped market it. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:27 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > Case study\testimonial. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I would assume that the percentage of sales of these particular products, are mostly going to WISPs. I agree, that it probably won't make a huge dent in their overall sales, but it could very easily be larger than the amount of sales that they lost because of Elevate (which I suspect is very

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I'm certainly not qualified to argue the legal merits of the case, but it seems to me (as an observer who in reality knows nothing about it), that they wouldn't be able to show any significant damages from the things that actually seem to have merit... so they through all the other stuff in there.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I remember sitting next to Beehive Chuck in Vegas one year and firmly asking if Cambium would indemnify WISP's buying their gear from any claims having to do with their gear. This is why. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:32 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

If they are stamped records that have been filed with the court, then they're generally a matter of public record. Even the Muller crew forgot to ask for confidentiality on a filing and it got out into the public record. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:13 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > I have all of the

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

The funny thing is, it's entirely possible that Ubiquiti sold some extra hardware because of Elevate. For example, in our case it took some pressure off to convert all our towers to ePMP as quickly, because any new CPE that we put out there would still be usable after we did eventually convert it

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Its all over Law 360 On 08/10/2018 10:12 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I have all of the court documents, but I don't know if I can distribute them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I don't think whether or not they used it is relevant. From what I got skimming through the documents, their part of the "conspiracy" was completely related to marketing/public statements. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:37 PM wrote: > That can all be fabricated. Unless UBNT has solid proof, screen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

They named a forum user as a defendant... " 126. In a post dated December 25, 2017, Defendant Dmitry—noted as an “occasional contributor”—posted on a message board instructing a user on how to use ePMP with Ubiquiti power supplies" This whole thing feels like a big joke. Do we not own the

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

On 8/10/18 10:37, Mike Hammett wrote: The problem doesn't just apply to WISPs. UBNT has now proven that they're willing to sue their customers over things unrelated to lack of payment. I don't think their fanbase will care. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

On 8/10/18 09:52, Adam Moffett wrote: So yeah they are talking about the extra Tx power.  They're also claiming copyright, DMCA, RICO, CFA, and software licenses violations. They also claim mail and wire fraud related to marketing the hacked firmware. In a nutshell, they refer to Blip and

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Yep, that is why I worked so hard to get my own FCC type approvals on all my stuff. KPP never has as far as I know. Academic but technically required. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 8:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I guess when reading this, the thing that strikes me the most is how inflated and exaggerative the language is. Typically it seems in legal documents that overly exaggerative claims are done so for publicity. The language in this filing seems to read more like National Enquirer and less like

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Right, the fanboys will probably think this is great, but in reality, they're a probably a pretty insignificant percentage of their customers. As things stand now, I use both and I use whichever product works better in any particular situation... but this sort of thing certainly leaves a bad taste

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Blip gave a testimonial... ubnt is alleging they all worked together to financially benefit one another - including wincomm - Original Message - From: ja...@remotelylocated.com To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Elevate is just software. Ubiquiti already sold the hardware and never asked any money for software.  So how is Ubiquiti damaged? They're not damaged any more than Dell is damaged if you delete Windows to install Ubuntu. I'm also sure Cambium wouldn't have proceeded with Elevate if they

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Thats where I see the issue is non-compliant hardware raising a brow. On 08/10/2018 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: The funny thing is, it's entirely possible that Ubiquiti sold some extra hardware because of Elevate. For example, in our case it took some pressure off to convert all our towers

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lent violation

The only solution "Believe in Steve" On Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 5:55 PM Robert wrote: > What is going on these days gives me real appreciation of what must have > been going on in the 30's prior to WWII... & how a supposedly informed > populace can collectively have their heads up their own asses.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Except most lists and forums are public archived On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 12:26 PM wrote: > How does UBNT know that the WISP in question is actually using the > product? Did they gain access to the carriers network to verify? With out > them knowing? Other than that it is all hearsay. > > Sent

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I would be concerned as well, and was concerned several years ago, which is why I pressed the CEO so hard about it. I have been sued in something similar as part of a big baseless pile of crap. I am not saying this is baseless, what I am trying to get at is that once you are actually sued, you

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751 Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.​ sues Cambium Networks​. https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-firmware I'd like to see more of the claims. They've also sued Sakid Ahmed and Dmitry

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I have all of the court documents, but I don't know if I can distribute them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Faisal Imtiaz" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lent violation

Sorry, already a devotee to Reverend Bob On 8/10/18 9:11 AM, Steve Jones wrote: The only solution "Believe in Steve" On Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 5:55 PM Robert > wrote: What is going on these days gives me real appreciation of what must have been going

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2015/11/12/clearing-air-wi-fi-software-updates - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I could be way wrong, but it seems to me in the court of public opinion this will hurt UBNT worse. I mean, any WISP out there, and Disti, using or selling Elevate, in my opinion would be pretty upset UBNT is trying to accuse them as ‘co-conspirators’. This is a very, very slippery slope UBNT

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

That's the thing that bothers me here... this almost comes across as them suing some random guy for the equivalent of saying "your product sucks" on the internet (I'm not saying that's what they're actually doing... I obviously don't know everything that's going on), and I wouldn't want anything

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. The whole elevate thing was asking for it. On Friday, August 10, 2018, Mike Hammett wrote: > https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751 > > Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.​ sues Cambium Networks​. > >

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Love the armchair discussion, with everyone shooting from the hip, without actually reading the article... Ubiquiti sued Illinois-based Cambium on Tuesday, claiming the company is selling firmware that changes the existing firmware on Ubiquiti's wireless equipment so it

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

My statement still stands. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 10:10 AM Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > Love the armchair discussion, with everyone shooting from the hip, without > actually reading the article... > > > Ubiquiti sued Illinois-based Cambium on Tuesday, claiming the company is > selling

[AFMUG] Epmp puck disable

We have been deploying new sites without the pucks so it uses the internal gps and still has front back sync. Has the software come along yet to disable the puck on the sites where it's already installed? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

A juror who was an existing Cambium or UBNT customer might have a pre-existing bias and ought to be removed. .not that I know anything about it.  Not really my department. On 8/10/2018 1:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: the jury isn't going to have a clue what you're talking about.  in

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Per the court documents, the wisp participated in a criminal enterprise (snicker) with cambium and wincomm (distro) to gain financial profit. the wisp was one of the operators (or THE) operator who provided testimony that elevate improved their network. ubnt is claiming it was all organized

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Didn't you used to be a ubnt number one fan on their forum? On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 12:46 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > There are fanboys of both brands and then there are grownups. The fanboys > won't be swayed. The grownups may determine the risk isn't worth it. > > I use both brands. > > > > -

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Amen. I recently suffered through 1366 days of "a laundry list of shit". None of it stuck. None of it was legit. Just vexatious. Financially I am glad they sued... -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 11:41 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

They cited his forum comments about the Elevate product, but in the description of who the defendants are they identified Dimitry as a Cambium employee. He wasn't just some rando on the forum. I'm not saying Ubiquiti is right or wrong, just trying to keep the facts straight. On 8/10/2018

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I'm pretty sure they didn't go through the fcc certification for elevate devices... I'm pretty sure that would've required putting new fcc ID stickers on the radios, anyway. If I remember correctly, I asked somebody from Cambium about it when elevate first came out, and they said that changing the

Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

yep be careful: https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/10/watch-man-tests-democrats-claims-pulls-trigger-on-all-plastic-gun-it-blows-up/ On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > No, we restrict SMTP transmission to only stateside IPs > > *From:* can...@believewireless.net >

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

patents and intellectual property can't be damaged? oh, i strongly disagree. - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: AFMUG Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium I'm certainly not qualified to argue the legal merits of the

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

The government preempts license agreements. The government has already said you can change your firmware as long as it doesn't operate outside of regulations (I forget the wording, but I've already linked to it). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet

[AFMUG] OT sad news story

Here in Utah, there was kid (I think he was a young adult) with a form of autism that left him with the inability to fear anything including heights. He was left on his own for a few moments the other day. He saw a substation. Up and over the fence and climbed one of those monster ground

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Cambium is not publicly traded... unless something has changed recently. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > wasn't aware cambium was publically traded? > > - Original Message - > *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Sent:* Friday,

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Unless the radio is old enough that it came with firmware that didn't have that feature... But they're saying that Cambium is specifically instructing people to accept the agreement, and then violate the terms. They don't appear to be going after anyone so much for violating the agreement, but

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

& that is the real problem... Corporate Ethics... ubnt? Seems a little lacking... They could have made their case without that part... On 8/10/18 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The last I knew, WISPs were still about half of UBNT's revenue. The problem doesn't just apply to WISPs. UBNT

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Hacked is used just for the benefit of the members of the Jury and any less technical members of the court... On 8/10/18 1:40 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Sure sounds to me like echos of people rooting iphones and apple computers. Lawyers always like to call the alleged misdeeds of the other

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

Most, like 99.999%, of forum contributors are not as worldly as you are, specially legally... On 8/10/18 3:15 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Funny, if you choose to represent yourself as a small guy, like a forum member, against a big guy, it is not always a mistake. The judge will normally go way

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