Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

2017-08-08 Thread Jason McKemie
Good info, I'm not sure how the 12S compares to the 19S (replacement for 18S). On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Adam Moffett wrote: > The spec sheet lists everything in Kit #2. Charger, cleaver, and carrying > case are all on the list. > > > -- Original Message -- >

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

2017-08-08 Thread Jason McKemie
Is that with a cleaver and battery? Pretty good price for a fujikura. I paid about twice that for my 18S a few years ago. On Monday, August 7, 2017, Adam Moffett wrote: > We recently got brand new Fujikura 12S Kit #2 for $3200. > From a vendor, not ebay. > > > --

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

2017-08-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
>From the looks of Google, a bunch of Chinese companies. I know calix makes a 4 port line card, but you still have chassis, power supplies, licensing, optics, etc. On Aug 8, 2017 6:09 PM, "Jason McKemie" wrote: > Any idea who makes them? > > On Tuesday, August

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

2017-08-08 Thread Jason McKemie
I've seen low-count GPON OLTs, I just can't seem to find an industrial rated model - besides something like the Calix e3-2. On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Josh Reynolds wrote: > From the looks of Google, a bunch of Chinese companies. > > I know calix makes a 4 port line card,

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Adam Moffett
I loved the idea of the scopebut the thing about the scope is if it was close enough to see the other end with a scope, then I didn't need any tool to align it. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/8/2017 4:57:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

2017-08-08 Thread Jason McKemie
Any idea who makes them? On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Chuck Hogg wrote: > I think there are some 4 port. > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:45 PM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > > wrote: > >>

[AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

2017-08-08 Thread Jason McKemie
Would be nice if someone made a single port, DIN-mount OLT with an industrial temperature rating. Alternately, an outdoor single port unit would be nice. Does anything like this exist? I've got a quote coming for Calix's outdoor GPON OLT, but I know that number is going to be up there.

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

2017-08-08 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Cheapest on the market now is UBNT I have read multiple times of OLT in a SFP, but never seen it in the market From: Af > on behalf of Jason McKemie > Reply-To:

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

2017-08-08 Thread Adam Moffett
The spec sheet lists everything in Kit #2. Charger, cleaver, and carrying case are all on the list. -- Original Message -- From: "Jason McKemie" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/8/2017 5:36:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

2017-08-08 Thread Chuck Hogg
I think there are some 4 port. On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:45 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Would be nice if someone made a single port, DIN-mount OLT with an > industrial temperature rating. Alternately, an outdoor single port unit > would be nice. Does anything

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Jaime Solorza
Use 10GHz radar detector parts... HAM guys have done 300 mile links with 10GHz over water. Jaime Solorza On Aug 8, 2017 3:15 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > I loved the idea of the scopebut the thing about the scope is if it > was close enough to see the other end with a

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

2017-08-08 Thread Adam Moffett
Couldn't say. -- Original Message -- From: "Jason McKemie" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/8/2017 6:35:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations? Good info, I'm not sure how the 12S compares to the 19S (replacement for 18S).

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

2017-08-08 Thread Gerard Dupont III
We have a few of the Ruiyan RY-F600P core alignment fusion splicers from eBay. They're basic, but get the job done. Perfect for our install techs. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=RY-F600P&_sacat=0 On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:37 PM Adam Moffett

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

2017-08-08 Thread Trey Scarborough
OH wow its Gerard I thought chuck found some place you had to trench the fiber with a spoon. You seem to be as sporadic on these lists as me. back to the subject at hand. I recently picked up a Trensbatter no thats not a typo at least on my part. Its a clone of a Fujikura 60s. I have used

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Steve Jones
Mimosa b11, why On Aug 8, 2017 10:18 PM, "Trey Scarborough" wrote: > Please tell me this is not a AF11 or mimosa > > On 8/8/2017 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Ya sorry didn't see your later email. Thanks for the details! > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

2017-08-08 Thread Eric Kuhnke
The "Orientek" unit is resold by about a dozen different brand names if you look on eBay or Alibaba/aliexpress. I would be very interested in finding out what factory it actually comes from in mainland China. On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Louis Arsenault wrote: > We have

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Trey Scarborough
Please tell me this is not a AF11 or mimosa On 8/8/2017 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ya sorry didn't see your later email. Thanks for the details! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Hardy, Tim

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

2017-08-08 Thread Rory Conaway
We have found in that situation, that overbuilding the antennas works pretty well. Jirous/Ubiquiti RD-34 with RF Armor shield kits, etc… will give you DFS and cut the noise down significantly. There seems to be a huge difference between the RD-30’s and RD-34’s in this area. Rory From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread chuck
I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction unless I could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it. There are nationwide frequencies available in most if not all bands. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread George Skorup
I don't do shit until Liz tells me I can. On 8/8/2017 1:02 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote: 30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are expedited to 10-business days. If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb, public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Ya sorry didn't see your later email. Thanks for the details! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote: > 30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

2017-08-08 Thread Chris Wright
Good grief. And I thought 60ghz was bad… Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 8:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link .18 degree beamwidth. Can you imagine aiming .18

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Jaime Solorza
Hey Steve, in my rebellious days, I went against The Man and tore the labels off my sofa and mattresses.No black helicopters hovering over my house; well not quite true, the border is less than a mile from mu house, and we see them everyday, but not coming after me!! all kidding aside, its a

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Jaime Solorza
wow, Chuck is the lenient parent and I am the strict one.. a distortion in the time continuum must be the culprit. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:35 AM, wrote: > I might bend it a bit. > > Say is was perhaps a 5 mile 18 GHz

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Hardy, Tim
Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional Authorization is allowed. There are some areas / bands that are designated quiet zones. Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green Bank, WV, etc. If you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are not

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Can't you do a rush file or something like that? 7 or 14 days? Is 30 days really not enough for you? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote: > There is no

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse

2017-08-08 Thread Chuck McCown
I don't know the width of totality but I read that it lasts a few seconds longer if you are off to the side a bit. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Matt wrote: > > I have been wandering. What would be the difference between if you > are 20 miles

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse

2017-08-08 Thread Matt
I have been wandering. What would be the difference between if you are 20 miles from the dead center of the path vs 2 miles from dead center? I know the duration will be slightly different but will it be any more appealing in any other way? On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:41 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread chuck
I might bend it a bit. Say is was perhaps a 5 mile 18 GHz link, and the Mimosa fancy “who is on the air” tool shows nobody in this area on 18 GHz I don’t think I would feel too guilty. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:32 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Jaime Solorza
time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like Teletronics had. A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and receiver at other side connected to antenna. Teletronics customed made some for me which I sold years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems

[AFMUG] American Towers

2017-08-08 Thread SmarterBroadband
Hi Not happy American Towers are asking for a 4% per year escalator. What have people got them down to? Reply off list if you don't want to be seen sharing this info. Thanks Adam

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

2017-08-08 Thread chuck
I aimed a 12 footer on 6 GHz once. Similar to doing a 60 GHz link. Very touchy. C band satellites are much easier to hit with a 12 foot dish than 6 GHz PTP. From: Chris Wright Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link Good grief. And I

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

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Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Hardy, Tim
30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are expedited to 10-business days. If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb, public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs (Special Temporary Authority). These can be granted immediately by email but must be

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse

2017-08-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
The closer you are to the center, the more centered the moon will be over the sun. Apparently at the edges of the totality path it can be actually easier to see certain parts of the sun's atmosphere which are going to be hidden by the moon since the moon will not be centered over the disk. My

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Steve Jones
we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in. I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient On Tue, Aug 8, 2017

[AFMUG] IPArchitechs

2017-08-08 Thread Sterling Jacobson
That company was a bust. So I'm looking again for a professional team/company that can professionally handle my network contracting needs in a reasonable time frame. Dennis, I'll be asking for your help again in the meantime as soon as I get refunded from IPArchitechs.

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

2017-08-08 Thread Louis Arsenault
We have not had any problems with our ORIENTEK T40 . Have been using it almost 2 years. On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Rob Genovesi wrote: > found some info on

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
"Thats hot" On Aug 8, 2017 1:25 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > I don't do shit until Liz tells me I can. > > On 8/8/2017 1:02 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote: > > 30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are > expedited to 10-business days. If it’s a

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Adam Moffett
I think you more or less had this with your swappable feed horns on the optics dish. A person could align it with 5ghz, then put their 18ghz feed in place. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/8/2017 2:25:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread chuck
Align it with the scope and then put in any frequency. It was a pretty slick system. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 2:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval I think you more or less had this with your swappable feed horns on

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

2017-08-08 Thread chuck
.18 degree beamwidth. Can you imagine aiming .18 degrees, tighter actually as that is the HPBW. Most of us like to be down no more than a half dB from peak when aiming. That is .08 degrees on this dish. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject:

[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Steve Jones
Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without likely being caught. If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt_users@wispa

2017-08-08 Thread Steve Jones
did I hear trolling? On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Jerry Head wrote: > I think Dave is just being trolled, him being such an unremittent > Moto/Cambium apologist. > > On 8/7/2017 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > I certainly don’t mind if more join our party, as long

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
Why did you ask this question? Of course not... Now... go and do what seems right. On 8/8/17 11:46 AM, Steve Jones wrote: Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without likely being caught. If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Adam Moffett
I'm sure you wouldn't be the first one. -- Original Message -- From: "Steve Jones" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/8/2017 11:46:37 AM Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

2017-08-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
All of them! :) On Aug 2, 2017 2:17 PM, "Chris Wright" wrote: > 8’ dishes are stupid-big for a 10 mile link on 18GHz. What kind of speeds > are you trying to push? > > > > Chris Wright > > Network Administrator > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Mike Hammett
Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Hardy, Tim
There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – period. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval Has the PCN passed with no

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Mike Hammett
So then coordinate, file, build? It doesn't seem like a big step to file the application immediately after the PCN period is up and then build. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Steve Jones
filed or approved? On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim wrote: > There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – > period. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Jeff Evans
Not worth the risk of the fine or reputation building for others who are doing it correctly.  Don't give the FCC a reason to Target WISPS. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Steve Jones Date: 8/8/17 11:46 AM

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread chuck
It does not take that long to get a license. The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to be had. Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the radios and antennas. I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN