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Re: Christianity or Islam I see this spot is not the best place to debate as such. I stated all my respect in the first post, I believe we are all peaceful and tolerant but I just posted what the person needed, post1. He had a problem of differentiating between religions, so I explained why we don't follow christianity, I didn't explain that you should be a muslim. Never. you are free to choose whatever and that will change your insides, but that will not affect you based on friendships. Unlike other Muslims I do not have problem with people embracing other religions. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355769#p355769 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Moderation! Lets everyone calm down here. @coco, Just as you do not wish people to be offensive to Islam, please show the same respect towards people of other religions too, some of your comments about christianity, for example the symbology of the cross are definitely edging into offensive territory. other Muslims who have posted in this topic have explained their beliefs without having to denigrate others, please show the same tolerance, This forum is full of people with different faiths, from different parts of the world. Everyone can sit on an island and yell about how they're right and everyone else is wrong, but that is the very sort of hinking that leads to religious wars, and indeed flame wars. In a topic like this the important thing is to listen to everyone's perspective and at least be respectful even if you think the other person is utterly wrong. that goes for Atheists (often the worst zealots), Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims equally. I'll also remind people that the purpose of topics like this is to share, not to condemn or accuse. if these sorts of topics are to serve a purpose, that purpose must be sharing perspectives and information to prevent the very kinds of wars (flame and otherwise), mentioned above. Realistically, nobody is going to be converted to another's way of thinking by a post on the internet (especially if that way of thinking is expressed with condemnation and vitriol).Religious belief as I said earlier is a matter between one person and their god, it is something that needs to be lived and experienced than argued out in terms of logic. If people wish to continue the matter of comparative religion, listening, to and trying to understand each others perspectives and sharing views that is absolutely fine, indeed I find such discussions intensively fascinating myself. if people start turning this into some sort of religious flame war the topic will be closed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355755#p355755 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam @45 trying to trick you, now you just sound fanatical. I am not here to judge you for your beliefs, you are free to believe in God, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster for all I care. I don't judge people based on their religion, but based off their actions, and yes, if their actions are bad, or show bad intent, but they do it in the name of their god, I do judge them for that, I do hold it against them for that. If you are evil, violent, whatever, I don't care if you're Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Juish, whatever.Evil is evil, even if done in the name of a deity. Just as good is always good, even if done in no one's name but their own. I'll be straight up honest with you, I used to be that way, if I would hear a middle eastern sounding name, or hear anything about Islam, a torrent of hate and rage would grip me, I would be repulsed. I have learned better though, and I don't know why I used to be that way, because my family never were. The only theory I have is that it was a poor way of handling 9/11. When that day happened, I was in 9th grade, I sat and watched as my home land came under attack. I was numb, I didn't know why or what to do about the feelings I was having, so I turned it all inside of me, and every time I would hear a name that sounded Arabic or remotely middle eastern, it would dredge up those feelings. It took me 10 or so years to realize that was the wrong way to be, and longer still to reverse the damage, to be able to over time reduce those impulses I would get when thinking about things. It took me time to reverse programming I had laid deep inside my own mind and disassociate Islam with terrorism. Now I know that the Muslim faith is not synonymous with terrorism, even though there are twisted and evil Muslims, same can be said about other religions as well. So I've stopped throwing people into large buckets.So now I look at people hopefully more as they are and not based on their belief. Yes, I will admit that I am not religious. I will go further to say that I think organized religion is a big problem, as I've seen it bread hate and ignorance, and extremism. These are my tenants though, not yours. I used to be worse about this as well. I used to dismiss someone if they didn't think the way I did, or believe in what I did. I used to scoff at people who believed in god, because to me, there is no god. I used to be closed-minded, but I changed. I'm still not perfect though, I still have social issues I would say. I still don't tolerate bullshit off people, I"m 32, and I feel like I've only just begun on a journey to bettering myself, socially and in other ways.I've really tried to express myself and my emotions lately. I was never very good at that, I would turn everything inside, and never show or never let on what I was feeling. I wouldn't talk to people about things that really mattered, not even to my best friend. Now I've started to work at that, and its fucking hard I'll tell you. I've talked about things in my past, some of the most painful things in my life, and it all comes up at once when I do, it all slaps me in the face, just as hard as it ever did. I don't forget things, I really don't, I just bury them with time.So you saying I'm trying to trick you, or implying that I'm trying to manipulate you, that's just absurd. I never will believe like you do, I never will be able to accept the precepts of a religion without question, but that doesn't mean I begrudge you the rightt. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355734#p355734 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Greetings all.I was born into the Islamic faith and I also grew up with Christian influences. I cannot honestly say I'm against either religion. I was however, dissatisfied with all that I was taught and created my own belief system to try to explain the various contradictions and incongruities when trying to compare various faiths. I did in 2010, somewhat embrace Christianity but it didn't last too long. Not until last April did I truly find the path I'm going to follow forever and that is the religion of absolute pacifism. Yes the messiah is indeed here again and I believe the testament of truth holds within its many pages the word of Jehovah Allah God. If however you want a more Christian outlook then my beloved Victoria who is a Jehovah's witness recommends http://www.jw.org/ and I must say that jw go out of their way o make their site accessible to all as well as making their message comprehensible to all of all ages, backgrounds and in most if not all languages. I on the other hand, subscribe to http://www.the-testament-of-truth.co.uk/ as written by Terence Malaher. If you want a comprehensive Islamic outlook, I recommend http://www.allah.com/.So what sets the testament of truth apart? I've never seen its like before and it puts the pacifist lifestyle into perspective. What ever you do will be done unto you so go your way in peace and be kind, compassionate, merciful, forgiving and loving to all and suffer any karmic due in non retaliation so that you can be set free. The more bad you do, the more bad returns to you and the bad feelings within you grow stronger until such time that you lose control and you no longer have the choice to be the light in action, good. The more good you do, the more good returns to you and God draws out all the bad feelings from within you until such time that you no longer feel them within you. Once free of negativity through non retaliation, you are free to be the light in action, good. This explanation is a simplified version of what is written therein and it also explains about telepathic subjugation of the mind and emotions via dark forces from below. if you want to know more, go to http://www.the-testament-of-truth.co.uk/ and reprogram your consciousnesses with truth from today. If you choose not to so do then that is fine but ask yourself then, why do the 3 religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam promote peace unless certain conditions are breached? Why are there exceptions to the path of peace? Why is war and violence permitted under certain conditions? Why is punishment permitted especially when it comes to the bringing up and discipline of children? In the testament of truth, Terence states that only God can punish, nobody else because only God is above his karmic law of what goes around comes around. If we punish, we are then punished in turn until such time that the punishment becomes never ending. Absolute pacifism, education and love are the only way in order for us all to obtain freedom from suffering.Kind regards, Amin Abdullah. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355724#p355724 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Yeah lol you are trying to trick me by pretending that I am not discussing logically, while in the first place everyone goes bashing me if I spoke something of Islam. it is like people dont want to hear of Islam, they want to hear only of what they believe. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355718#p355718 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam @43 that statement proves that you're not willing to discuss matters logically, that you are only willing to see things your own way, and that you don't have an open mind to new ideas. That's fine, you live your life as you see fit, but then, allow others to do the same. No one is denying you the chance to speak your point of view, yet you imply that is what is happening.I do feel this topic has outlived its usefulness though, the questions have been answered, and the OP will do with the advice as they will. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355694#p355694 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam If everyone commented, including Atheists, so why can't me as a Muslim comment too? Or the Islamic beliefs should be banned everywhere in the world. The Quran is the last revolution or testiment. Yeah we believe that the bible has been sent to Jesus but called Injeel in Arabic. But people over history made christianity different, they misrepresentated the book, they caught only a few words of what God said according to them, and then when they couldn't find more words, they made up their own ones. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355673#p355673 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam @ThirdEyeAccess and @Cocoa: Let me ask you this, does it really matter witch religion is right? I mean in the end its you and you alone who must be able to live with and decide what you want to believe in. We can beat this horse untill it is dead and gon, but the fact remains that the world has more than one religion/belief system and the way I see it all of them represent the same God. Let's consider this for a moment, if Allah and God were not one and the same, why then is it that Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jesus are mentioned in both the Bible and the quran? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355560#p355560 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam and it truely means the religion of christ according to christians nowadays. It comes from the greek word Cristos, which means something like crucified. They believe Jesus peace be upon him was crucified, and now they practice religious rituals in churches, with the christ. now I want to ask something, if Jesus was hung with an electrical chair would you also wear an electrical chair and hang yourself as the rituals you do with the christ? What is more, the writers of the bible couldn't sound philosophical as they wanted, that is why there are a lot of contradictions. God has sent a book for each period, true Judaism was trueful in its time, and it died, so did christianity? And now we believe that the last revolution is the Quran, which hasn't been misrepresentated. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355448#p355448 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam It is not the Hebrew influence that affected Islam, nor the culture. We Muslims believe that all the profits who had the same message to give were true and believed by the Muslims, whether Adam, Abraham, Yunus, Moses, Jesus and profit Muhammad peace be upon them all.So if Islam took some things from hebrew, it is nothing bad. It is the correction of religion, because as God sent the profits and we believe in them, so their religions must be true too, it is just about the period of time. And about the strong religion that makes a strong communication with God, the issue here is according to Islam all those religions have been killed over the time, with the lies of unknown preachers. According to Islam bible was not written by Jesus, not even by his students, because Mathew, Luke, or John, were ways ways away from Jesus. They were not alive at his time. And each of their gospel has another point of view. Wheras Quran is only one and has never been misrepresentated or changed since the time it was revealed.So, judaism and christianity are not wrong religions, they were true at their times, but quickly it changed. We believe that Jesus is superior than profit Muhammad and that God brought him to the sky to safe him. As mentioned in Bible, chapter of mark. “I am with you for only a short time, and then I go to the one who sent me. You will look for me, but you will not find me, and where I am, you cannot come.”So it means God, must have saved him from the Jews. And he wasn't crucified and they searched for him but couldn't find him. All these religions have been changed over time into a new looking, except Islam. The torah, the Bible, are just untruthful nowadays. We believe that there was a true bible, but it died in the previous existance of Jesus on the earth, and then people started to misrepresentate it. That is why the princibles of believing in Islam is to believe in Allah's books, Quran, Injeel and Torah. the Injeel was supposed to be the true bible and not the bible which christians have now. Even the jews misrepresentated their religion and changed it, and became more enemy to Muslims, and a lot of them denied the miracles of their profit, so we believe in those old tstiments which sadly we can't find now, and the only last revolution and true one is QuranYes, bible really might have some, just some of Jesus's sayings, and we are not against it, we are just against the contradictions that the Bible state, and there are too many of them. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355416#p355416 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Hi and greetings, perhaps it should be understood that Christianity is not the religion of Christ and the apostles and disciples, as they were Hebrews; not until Paul went into the land of Antioc, preaching the Gospels of Christ did these gentiles believe in him and Eloheem Yahuah, which is true Hebrew for God; christ did not have a religion and there is no religion of God, religion was created by the Catholics and others in order to separate the people of God. There is no such thing as the holy Trinity, as this was created by the Catholics and for the Catholic people, these people also took out many books of the Bible that reveal much of the Gentile Waze and how they were against the Christ. The very root of Islam comes from Hebrew tradition and culture, such as not eating pork, shrimp, lobster another shellfish, and praying to the east, and women wearing head covering outside of the home. One must understand that Mohammed was born 70 years after the Christ and lived amongst Hebrews, Mohammed was a a literate good looking man with great intelligence, however, most of the teachings or Hebrew based. The original Hebrew scripture is very specific about paganism and force traditions, such as Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving, which the majority of Christianity celebrate today. The Christ was not born on December 25, this is a Roman day devoted to the goddess Mithra, which is a goddess of fertility; the Christ was born in the Spring time, scripture tells us that the shepherd was out tending to his flock during his birth; scripture also tells us that the Christ was born during the time of the death angel in Egypt. This post is meant to share blessings and love to anyone who is reading it; however, king Constantine is also a king who spread false images of the Christ, the image of Christ that most of the world sees today is king Constantines nephew Cesar Boshier and has nothing to do with the true burnt copper-tone Christ, by the way, as Christ is Hebrew, his true name is Yahuashah, you will notice how far off it is from Jesus; Yahuashah said “I came in the name of my father) his fathers name is +Yah, Yahuah, notice the (Yah); Eloheem Yahuah said ( you can find me in the names of my people) there are no letter (J) in hebrew, Peace, please look up this information for yourself and you will surely be pleased, just don’t believe me, and God bless you. Period. + sorry if Siri did not dictate everything correctly URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355403#p355403 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam I am sorry, another correction, it is mentioned in mathew 12, verse 38 to 40. I mistook the numbers a bit. but it is still the same verse URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355074#p355074 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Hi all.@jonikster:From the looks of it, you look like you are stuck and you need someone to guide you.To be honest I've seen more than one topic for you talking about something you need help with, if it is something related where should you spend the rest of your life or something like that, but anyways, this is not the reason I am writing this post.Let me say first that I am a Muslim, and I am not 100% religious.I live in a country that considers Islam is the main religion here.If you asked me about this a few years back, you'd find me saying something totally different than what I am going to say now.This is mainly because I have visited some countries that has other cultures like Dubai and Kuwait.After I went to those places and known a few people from there, I've learned how to respect other beliefs, and the people who are believing in those beliefs.My point of view regarding my own religion didn't change of course, it is just that I've learned how to simply respect others who has a religion that is so different from mine or even if he is following Islam but he still following an other faction in Islam.If you ask me before this change in my life, I would bring you the hole pages of our holy book and tell you dude come on, it's the write way and there is no other true way other than folloing Islam, so you either you have to follow it, or now since you now know about it and you don't want to follow it, you're going to hell in the afterlife.But in all honesty, I am telling you something totally different now, follow the path that you feel more comfortable with.You are saying that you feel that Christianity has something close to you, and Islam is the same.I think that that is true to some extent, but still there should be something that is more closer to you than the other one.You stated that you feel even more closer to Christianity in a post that I can't remember its number, so if you feel closer that way so go for it.Remember is that this choice you are making it for yourself and not for someone else.No one is going to judge you why you did this or that, except for god, that's if you went with either Christianity or Islam.I don't know how it works in other beliefs.So in short, go with what ever you feel more comfortable with, and if someone judges you for it, it is simply not their right.If you are a Christian or Muslim, trust me it is not going to effect anyone else's life other than yours, so if someone starts talking to you like why you are following this religion and not that one, be careful that you are following the wrong way etc etc etc, you can tell them that you do feel more yourself when you are go this way.A Christian will tell you follow my way because it is the true path, and a Muslim will tell you exactly the same.So it is really up to you if you want to choose this or that, in my personal point of view, a religion isn't something I judge a person with, I judge the person with the amount of respect he or she is showing me, and my relation of that person in general.I know I have talked about my self more than enough, but I am trying to make a point that you should follow what ever you feel yourself in, and no one has right to judge you based on what religion you believe in. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355033#p355033 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Assalamu alaikum, peace be upon youBrother this is a seeking question and I hope God will reward you for it. Listen to me brother and I hope that my comment is not hurting anyone's thoughts or feelings. So I am going to bring up my thoughts right here.And you shouldn't follow just what you were born into. In quran it says: And when it is said unto them: Follow that which Allah hath revealed, they say: We follow that wherein we found our fathers. What! Even though their fathers were wholly unintelligent and had no guidance ? The trinity.If I ask a christian, maybe it would go this way,is Jesus a god? no he is not.Then who is. the holy spirit. then is the holy spirit Jesus? yes. they are in one. so it means Jesus is a god or not. full of confusions.and why would the trinity create two after him, looks like hinduism with tons of gods to follow. and if jesus is a god then why Merry born him, did he create himself out of her, what was the exact issue.What annoys me is Jesus died for my sins. so it means, all those jews who killed him are stronger than him. if he was a god he didn't have to show himself and be killed. he would rather stop them, he himself in the bible said, I do nothing of myself.another verse in the bible says, father is greater than I.When people called him,the good, he responded do not call me good, no one is good but god.I am stating of bible. not from my head. so he diferentiates himself from god.Let's take a look at chapter of mathew, starting from verse 38 until 40 chapter 28.Show us of your signs.in 39 he responds, for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the huge fish, so shall the son of man be three nights and three days in the heart of the earth.So, Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, compares himself with Jonah who was alive in the fish. So it means Jesus wasn't dead in the grave, he must have been alive too.Crucifixion for me seems cruci fiction. Please do not get me wrong. I love Jesus peace be upon him and I am honored to follow his teaching, I am a Muslim and I am more christian than the christians themselves because I follow what Muhammad corrects about christianity and bible.Muhammad peace be upon him was not the founder of Islam, he was the last one to report the message of peace. All profits like Jesus, are Muslims according to Quran, because, the word Muslim in itself means, the person who submits his will and mission to Almighty God the glorified.So if bible has more than one copy, Quran does not. Quran has been this way since 1400 years now and it has not been changed nor rewritten. So Quran is the last revolution, and the correction of bible itself.And the writers of the bible are different, which proves that Jesus did not write it and I will come to it in a few.Islam comes from the word silm, which is also salam, it means peace. so Islam did not start 1400 years ago, because all profits are reaching us the message of silm, peace, islam, salam. So Islam has started since the beginning of the universe, since the first footstep mankind took on the earth.I have a question. Who was ruling the universe when Jesus died? And if he died for all our sins, so the Jews who killed us must have gone to heaven.IN quran, 4, Al nisa, 157, says Allah.And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. And why the traitor is changing in the bible? The one who led the romans to the christ, and also the time of supper.Did that happen after one day, as Luke explains in bible?Or after Christ gave him the bread, so during it? Like John says in bible?and I quote this, when I was in my islamic knowledge studies. Was Christ the one who carried his cross, as John says, as was customary with one who was going to be crucified, according to Nottingham, or was it Simon of Cyrene, as the other three Gospels state?and they both say that there were 2 crucified theives around his left and right. So what was their attitude, the attitude of those theives and christ.At what hour did this crucifixion take place – was it in the third hour, as Mark says, or in the And what happen after it? So confusing.Sometime Mathew says the earth shook and rocks crumbled, and many of the saints rose from their graves and entered the holy city. and luke has another point of view, where the the sun turned dark.IN quran, Allah says:in Alnisa, verse 82Will they not, then, try to understand this Qur’an? Had it issued from any but God, they would surely have found in it many an inner contradiction!And another contradictory confusion statement is Jesus's essays in Bible. Peace be upon Jesus, I do not witness his saying, he is stronger than what a normal man would write.Mark says:“I am with you for only a short
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Re: Christianity or Islam Assalamu alaikum, peace be upon youBrother this is a seeking question and I hope God will reward you for it. Listen to me brother and I hope that my comment is not hurting anyone's thoughts or feelings. So I am going to bring up my thoughts right here.And you shouldn't follow just what you were born into. In quran it says: And when it is said unto them: Follow that which Allah hath revealed, they say: We follow that wherein we found our fathers. What! Even though their fathers were wholly unintelligent and had no guidance ? The trinity.If I ask a christian, maybe it would go this way,is Jesus a god? no he is not.Then who is. the holy spirit. then is the holy spirit Jesus? yes. they are in one. so it means Jesus is a god or not. full of confusions.and why would the trinity create two after him, looks like hinduism with tons of gods to follow. and if jesus is a god then why Merry born him, did he create himself out of her, what was the exact issue.What annoys me is Jesus died for my sins. so it means, all those jews who killed him are stronger than him. if he was a god he didn't have to show himself and be killed. he would rather stop them, he himself in the bible said, I do nothing of myself.another verse in the bible says, father is greater than I.When people called him,the good, he responded do not call me good, no one is good but god.I am stating of bible. not from my head. so he diferentiates himself from god.Let's take a look at chapter of mathew, starting from verse 38 until 40 chapter 28.Show us of your signs.in 39 he responds, for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the huge fish, so shall the son of man be three nights and three days in the heart of the earth.So, Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, compares himself with Jonah who was alive in the fish. So it means Jesus wasn't dead in the grave, he must have been alive too.Crucifixion for me seems cruci fiction. Please do not get me wrong. I love Jesus peace be upon him and I am honored to follow his teaching, I am a Muslim and I am more christian than the christians themselves because I follow what Muhammad corrects about christianity and bible.Muhammad peace be upon him was not the founder of Islam, he was the last one to report the message of peace. All profits like Jesus, are Muslims according to Quran, because, the word Muslim in itself means, the person who submits his will and mission to Almighty God the glorified.So if bible has more than one copy, Quran does not. Quran has been this way since 1400 years now and it has not been changed nor rewritten. So Quran is the last revolution, and the correction of bible itself.And the writers of the bible are different, which proves that Jesus did not write it and I will come to it in a few.Islam comes from the word silm, which is also salam, it means peace. so Islam did not start 1400 years ago, because all profits are reaching us the message of silm, peace, islam, salam. So Islam has started since the beginning of the universe, since the first footstep mankind took on the earth.I have a question. Who was ruling the universe when Jesus died? And if he died for all our sins, so the Jews who killed us must have gone to heaven.IN quran, 4, Al nisa, 157, says Allah.And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. And why the traitor is changing in the bible? The one who led the romans to the christ, and also the time of supper.Did that happen after one day, as Luke explains in bible?Or after Christ gave him the bread, so during it? Like John says in bible?and I quote this, when I was in my islamic knowledge studies. Was Christ the one who carried his cross, as John says, as was customary with one who was going to be crucified, according to Nottingham, or was it Simon of Cyrene, as the other three Gospels state?and they both say that there were 2 crucified theives around his left and right. So what was their attitude, the attitude of those theives and christ.At what hour did this crucifixion take place – was it in the third hour, as Mark says, or in the And what happen after it? So confusing.Sometime Mathew says the earth shook and rocks crumbled, and many of the saints rose from their graves and entered the holy city. and luke has another point of view, where the the sun turned dark.IN quran, Allah says:“Do they not then consider the Qur’aan carefully? Had it been from other than Allaah, they would And another contradictory confusion statement is Jesus's essays in Bible. Peace be upon Jesus, I do not witness his saying, he is stronger than what a normal man would write.Mark says:“I am with you for only a short time, and then I go to the one who sent me. You will look for me
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Re: Christianity or Islam Lol Enes, when I told Mrs. Dark about your reaction she was very sympathetic, since she gets similarly annoyed about what she refers to as "so called Christians" who do horrible things in the name of christianity. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354931#p354931 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam hi,Came here to discuss the terrorists daesh, which absolutely have nothing to do with islam. Paul, you claim they are muslim because they claim to be so. That is utterly false, you don't become something by claiming to be one. You become something by embodying it's ideals. Daesh are are a band of murderers, and kafirs in islam, is it is stated in the Quran that,[4:93] And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is hell; he shall abide in it, and Allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement.[5:32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354835#p354835 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam at post 20if any religion is good and true for you, why can't you choose one your self? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354824#p354824 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Hi.Well, even though there are changes happening every so often and theories have to be rethought, science is still something where when you look hard enough, you can get prove of events, like the big bang, creation of different life forms on earth throughout the lasst billion or so years.With religion, it's just a heap of could have beens and might have beens, thrown together with something unexplainable.Greetings Moritz. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354814#p354814 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam post 31, thumbs up to you! post 21 asked us, how the universe was created, and how we were created. since there may be younger ones on here, I won't go in the process of how children are created, but that's basically the answer. that still leaves half of the things unanswered, but I know how I was born. as many of us have said, if you don't know what path is right for you, maybe it's best to not take one yet, and do some more research. then when you're ready, you can join a specific religion. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354815#p354815 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam I'm not entirely trusting of science either, because what we know to be true today could change tomorrow. For example the image of the atom has been rewritten a lot of times and the current model is the one that fits the most number of tested and proven theories. So it's important to question everything and not take anything for granted if you're going to stand on the science ground. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354809#p354809 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam I don't believe in anything but the things I can prove or which can be proven by scientists for example.It's not that I judge anyones person on if he or she believes in a god or not, but what I can't stand is if they try to shove their religion down your throat, even though you don't give a damb about it.My opinion on this loving god of yours, well, this answers it quite clearly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnXmkF689TMGreetings Moritz. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354805#p354805 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Getting into this discussion is pointless for me, others have spoken their minds perfectly on this, particularly Ironcross, and it looks like we actually share "religious" beliefs if you can call it that. I'm not spiritual or believe in ghosts, but I have a sorta connection with the universe, putting mother nature and life above everything else. I don't worship or follow any scriptures, I don't go to religious gatherings but I do let my fundamental beliefs shine through when talking sometimes. My belief goes hand in hand with science, or as we know it, as Ethin put it "the magic of nature" (good album by the way). For me a choice between christianity or islam seems like a very narrow one, seeing as they both are part of the abrahamic root. And why do you have to make a choice at all? If you believe in this single entity, do you really think it matters if you follow one book or the other? I say live life good, do good to others, and if you feel you need to worship a higher being, feel free to do so. Putting a title on your beliefs only strains what you *actually* believe in because you're having someone else tell it for you. If I was god, that would offend me more than you not picking a side at all.Edit:Especially for those that claim to have a personal connection with god; wonderful, so let that be your religion and your guidance in life. It's not that hard to set up a mini-altar in your home if you feel you need to bow before a piece of block. (I'm actually thinking of doing this for esthetic purposes but there's that issue of space) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354804#p354804 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam pauliyobo as has been said by many people in this topic the Islamic state are only one group of muslims and do not represent Islam anymore than the Nazis or the Spanish inquisition represented Christianity, so might I suggest we stop throwing accusations around. other than that as far as braille0109 and Ethin's arguements go, again this is a fundamental category mistake between those with a religious belief and those without one, since religious experience is not analogous to any other sort of experience. it's like trying to pin down the love I have for my wife, something which is real and extant to me and defies rational explanation, I cannot say "why!" I love my wife, I just do, it is there, immutable, end of story. The same is true of religious experience and the act of meditation or prayer or whatever other practice one chooses.A good friend of mine who is an atheist (though not a militant one), put it rather well, he said that whenever I tried to discuss religious experiences with him it was like a computer program trying to read the wrong sort of file, he just didn't have the equipment to understand the nature of that experience, which is of course fair enoughh. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354788#p354788 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam I've kept out of this because I can feel a flame war coming any time soon. but:my personal opinion here if you are serious and just not trying to cause controversy is that you need to embrace god, or what ever version of that you choose by yourself.no book, or teachings can tell you the way to go. I personally am a lapsed high roman catholic but I only go to church these days for weddings and funerals.I've taken parts from what I I was brought up with and bits from other teachings and I live by a moral code I believe to be rite for me and everybody around me. basically boils down to, help people where you can, and people will hopefully act the same way. you can worship your own version of god in what ever form it is without having to follow teachings written 2000 years ago and translated over and over again to fit the rulers of the time.also, I would suggest the title of this topic is almost set to start arguments. although I am rather pleased to note so far, there haven't been any. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354784#p354784 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam I've kept out of this because I can feel a flame war coming any time soon. but:my personal opinion here if you are serious and just not trying to cause controversy is that you need to embrace god, or what ever version of that you choose by yourself.no book, or teachings can tell you the way to go. I personally am a lapsed high roman catholic but I only go to church these days for weddings and funerals.I've taken parts from what I I was brought up with and bits from other teachings and I live by a moral code I believe to be rite for me and everybody around me. basically boils down to, help people where you can, and people will hopefully act the same way. you can worship your own version of god in what ever form it is without having to follow teachings written 2000 years ago and translated over and over again to fit the rulers of the time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354784#p354784 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Just curious, why not take the parts from each that resonate with you? Why does it have to be one or the other, and to be honest, most religions are too institutionalized and rigid. They don't allow for the individual's path and relationship towards whatever higher power is being sought.Like everyone else said, it's a personal choice, and nobody should force or guilt you into one or the other since that would infringe upon the free-will God, the Goddess, or the flying spaghetti monster supposedly gave us all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354780#p354780 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Hi. This is not a choice that I or anyone else can make for you. This is all up to you. But I will say this: life is full of choices and in a situation like this we can't tell you what is right or what is rong, because what is right for me won't necessarily be the right choice for you, because the choice you make hear is a choice about faith and about trust in a being higher than me or you, weather it be Allah or Jesus.Remember, you have a lifetime to make this choice. Its not something that has to happen now, today. Its not like a job oppertunaty that has to be accepted now, so take your time, do research if you must, but in the end its you, and only you who has to be satisfied with your choice. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354777#p354777 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Well, of course you were looking for solutions, or you wouldn't have posted this topic here. Also, it does seem to me that you identify more with Christianity, so go join a church. One more thing, you can't form thoughts into paragraphs, you really had to post 4 times? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354769#p354769 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam @19-23, none of this even makes sense. Let's see...I'll let Ironcross32 answer that one (post 19). You wrote in post 21:For atheists.Think who created the world? It could not have happened at random that the land, people, etc. appeared.Um... science would say otherwise, in that yes, the universe was born from a massively condensed cloud of atoms, which then exploded outward. The debris left behind from that explosion created the stars, planets, etc. As for the land and people, yes, both appears, at random, over a very, very long period of time (think a few million to a few hundred million years, if not a few billion). It takes Nature a very, very long time to work its magic, but when its magic works, it creates brilliant things. Sometimes I think we don't appreciate nature as much as we should, but then again I'm not a naturalist or environmentalist, so...If you believe that our creator is a universe, this is also a religion.No, this is not. Science is not a religion. Science is a systematic approach to organizing information about everything, including -- you guessed it -- the universe. But it sure as hell isn't a religion (the word "science" is derived from the Latin word "sciencia", meaning "knowledge").For atheists.Look at your meaning of life. If God gives us the meaning of life, what is the meaning of the life of atheism?I can answer this question. The meaning of life atheism is death. Eternal death. Listen to this. Eternal death.Why do we develop politics and economics? If the meaning of life is eternal death?It's very difficult for me to talk about this. The essence of atheism is very well described by Professor of the Moscow Theological Seminary Osipov, but this is a lecture in Russian.First, the meaning of life is not known. Not to anyone. Humans are not meant to know the 'meaning of life'. You do not know the answer to this question, that scientist two doors down from your house doesn't know the answer either. (The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy jokes that it's "42". But then again, the scientists who were building that computer weren't being very specific anyway.) The meaning of life is most likely not "eternal death" though. There's no way to know. Now, as for question of why we develop things like economics, politics, etc. That, I'm afraid, I can't answer. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354759#p354759 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam For Muslims.I'm terrified of many things from Islam.Required five times a day. The so-called prayer.What happens, we love God not through the heart, through tradition? Through obligatory ceremonies?In Islam, you can only pray in Arabic. Listen, only in Arabic. If God is all-seeing and omniscient, then why can not I pray in another language.In Islam, God is like a lord, we are his slaves. I understand that he created us, we are slaves for him. But the opinion of Christianity is closer to me. God is not master, God is father. I can talk to God, in any language, I can trust him, because I can trust my father, I'm afraid of the master.In Islam, women can not be touched. I love to cuddle, I like some other things that Islam forbids. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354755#p354755 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam For Christians.After reading the book "The Chronicles of Narnia", I really like Christianity.But in my country there are more Orthodox Christians, but I do not know what the truth is. Orthodox or Catholics.Professor Osipov correctly I think said. I do not know how in English, but in Russian there is such a saying:Tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who you are.Professor Osipov remade this as follows:Tell me who your saints are, and I'll tell you what your church is like.When I looked at the holy Catholicism and why they became holy, I was terrified. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354754#p354754 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam For atheists.Think who created the world? It could not have happened at random that the land, people, etc. appeared.If you believe that our creator is a universe, this is also a religion.For atheists.Look at your meaning of life. If God gives us the meaning of life, what is the meaning of the life of atheism?I can answer this question. The meaning of life atheism is death. Eternal death. Listen to this. Eternal death.Why do we develop politics and economics? If the meaning of life is eternal death?It's very difficult for me to talk about this. The essence of atheism is very well described by Professor of the Moscow Theological Seminary Osipov, but this is a lecture in Russian. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354753#p354753 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam braille0109, for me, any religion is good and true. Why? Because the truth is for everyone. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354752#p354752 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam ironcross32, I don't need other people's solutions. I ask to hear opinions URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354750#p354750 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam @post 15:@pauliyobo Islam is split into mainly two big factions, that's true, but a true Muslim has just to follow what Allah has revealed unto His messenger as well as the words of that latter. This, is what your religion says, but the other faction might say the opposite.But hey, are you serious? Are ISIS Muslims at the first place? They are, they are simply of an other faction, this doesn't mean that they are not.They're only meant to do things destroying Islam's reputation, killing all those who oppose them along the way.What ever you say, they are still muslims, this is what they claim to be. This is what they believe and this is the other islamic faction.You think that they're trying to destroy the islamic reputation. But who says that in their believing they don't think that the other faction is trying to do so? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354746#p354746 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam OK, let me try and construct a proper, meaningful response. 1) if you're not sure which path to take, are you sure those are the right path? are you even willing to join a religion? that's basically where I was hinting with post 6, to show, that there are other paths out there, some that don't involve religion at all. 2) I must, agree with posts 7 and 9, in particular. personally, people have tried convincing me to become a christian, and that god has a plan for me, I'm almost certain he doesn't. someone else mentioned about how the bible lost it's originality. exactly. how can I believe something that is there in writing? to the deeply religious, my question is this. where was god during the 9/11, for example? we can't decide what to dedicate your life to. we can only give you ideas, personal experiences, and reasons for why. personally, I'm an atheist, as mentioned above. why? well partly because I'm not from a religious background. but mainly because it has no evidence, and to be honest, the entire thing makes no sense to me. true, I haven't read the entire bible, but I just can't bring myself to do it. since there is only one god, and 1 right religion, what about the others? if there is only 1 god, why are there multiple religions? not to mention the way jesus was born. the sad reality is, I'm probs one of the worse to speak about this. the fact that I have no sight, for me, proves it all. I just hope you won't dedicate your life to something that you will regret later. while I have regreted many things in my life, (most likely this post included as well) I have never regreted for not being religious. interestingly, I believe in ghosts, which many people find weird, as I'm not religious. I do believe in an after life. I know, this is going a little outside of this topic, but I wanted to put it out there. I also want to speak about freedom. I know that some religions forbid you to do this and that, till this and that age. I can do whatever and whenever I want. I don't need to pray, I have no holy book, nothing. in fact, I'm looking into being a complete vegetarian in the near future. and why? I honestly don't agree with the idea of maintaining animals, only to then kill them. and that's nothing to do with my religion either. please, do not ever think that not having a religion will make you a bad person, ever. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354741#p354741 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Sadly Isis claims to be Islamic and that does overshadow so many good things in Islam. I had a ton of Moslem friends growing up and they were among the nicest people you could ever meet and still are some of the best men and women I have ever known, also sadly my best experience in a house of worship was in one of the local Mosques even when I was a Christian as I literally was pushed out of every Christian church in town. I came into some money and then when I missed a sermon when I was still a Christian because I was recovering from surgery and couldn't walk much without bleeding all over the place, the pastor called and asked my Mom "Are you too busy counting your son's money?"I have had similar expriences with other churches in my town. That hasn't turned me off to Christianity just shows how Christians can vary from Christianity just as those Isis monsters are not actually anywhere in the realm of Islam other than hijacking what it is about.Also, even in the modern day, there are more than enough horrible groups in other religions to destroy their reputation if we made the same analogies we make between Isis and Islam in the media. The Pacific northwest, particularly Idaho and Montana are the HQs of some nasty neo-Nazi groups that take a lot of religious fundamentalist stuff into their beliefs and they are hardly representative of Christianity. There are similar Jewish groups acting out of Israel that are nothing like what Judaism really is supposed to be, and there are splinter groups of Christians and Hindus in China and India that are disgraces to the religions they profess and are nothing like in truth.I heard a great quote that I think all people professing religion need to keep in mind."You know you've built god in your own image when he hates everyone you do."I don't believe god can hate anyone or anything, except maybe the act of wrongdoing, as hate is a weakness, which an all-powerful God could not logically have. Also, there are actually over 70 kinds of Islam and it is as diverse as Christianity in its outlook for those looking above. It is true there are primarily Sunni and Shii faiths, but there's a lot of wiggle room in there.Anyway, I have been critical of both religions in my posts but I honestly think religion most of the time makes people better in the long run, and I include both Islam and Christianity in there, as well as most others. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354736#p354736 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Hello.@Dark totally agree with your post, +1!@pauliyobo Islam is split into mainly two big factions, that's true, but a true Muslim has just to follow what Allah has revealed unto His messenger as well as the words of that latter. But hey, are you serious? Are ISIS Muslims at the first place? They're only meant to do things destroying Islam's reputation, killing all those who oppose them along the way while Allah's words are too clear: "There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower."@jonikster I'm not here to dictate what to choose and what not because you're the only one responsible for your actions. I'm just trying to show my point of view.If you really want to get a clear idea about both religions, you could possibly listen to some debates done by scholars like the late Sheikh Ahmed Didat and Sheikh Thakir Naik who used to hold long discussions with preests and people from all religions to rationally compare them with Islam. As for the issue about being sons of God ant the like, there's a clear Quranic verse about that: "The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones. Say: Why then doth He chastise you for your sins ? Nay, ye are but mortals of His creating. He forgiveth whom He will, and chastiseth whom He will. Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the journeying."Hope this helps! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354733#p354733 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam I agree that out of the two religions you ar leaning towards, Christianity strikes me as the more logical option.I am neither a Christian nor a Moslem but I have studied, and continue to study both religions extensively for my own personal improvement. I am agnostic, though I feel that there is only one god and that if there is a God it is good, powerful, and wants us to behave justly and ethically and I see atheism as an untennible position.The problems I have with Islam is that the scriptures although they have a multitude of good proverbs, sayings, and ways for living your life, there is quite a bit of sensuality in the descriptions of paradise I don't think should be part of a religious view of purity, especially since such sensual descriptions tend to objectify women. That said, the message of patience, resignation to what God has in store for you (which you seem to really resonate with.) and the concept of charity and keeping one's eye on God alone are to its credit. And despite the polygamy and such it was the first religion to declare the spiritual equality of men and women, something the Christian scriptures never do. though as a book that is said ot have come literally directly from God, there are some definite things in it I don't think sound like reasonable things for God to say. The Christian scriptures are largely allowed to be inspired by god, but recorded by man, which explains the places where the descriptions of historical events and some other stuff could be off as many admit and still have it be a holy book while the Quoran doesn't allow for such things as it was written by the hand of God originally.Jesus is even given words of rather harsh criticism and mesagyny to women in the later portions of the Gospel of John, and the Christian tradition actually has a tradition of treating women like garbage as long and dark as that usually attributed to th eMoslem faith. Also Islam often considers other religions such as Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Judiasm, and Christianity as deserving of going to heaven as well. When Jesus says that he is the way to God and it is interpreted that he is the only way, I don't buy it. To act thusly, especially if he is supposed to be one with God would make god petty, a trait contemptable even in meager human beings. If we argue that going to Jesus is more of a state of one's soul rather than simply surrendering directly to Jesus in name, it is more viable.Christianity did not resort to violence to spread itself immediately as Islam did, though we now know that Christians were persecuting Jews while the apostles were still alive. I also have an issue with Christianity trying to convince me that 3=1. The way previously described as to how the trinity works in the previous post did not arise until the 4th century, and it was mostly formulated out of mixing scripture with neo-platonic philosophy that was very popular and was actually a sort of rival religion to Christianity in the 3rd and 4th centuries. There had always been an idea of the trinity, but how it works didn't get forumulated without the neo-platonic works of Plotinus and Porphery (the second was rampantly anti-Christian.)That said, Christianity has a concept of love, peace, and the brotherhood of all mankind far stronger than I have seen in any other religion. If the logical problems I have with Christianity are not logical problems for you, and I admit I could be wrong about what I think does and does not make sense, I think Christianity would be a better choice. It has less sensuality, a more charitable spirit, and a concept of forgiveness and love of everyone that I think is a gift to this world whether Jesus was divine or not. I think he is worth following in example, even though I personally think he was simply a human being as both Jews and Moslems believe. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354729#p354729 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Greetings Constantine, I'd be pleased to help you with this. In Catholicism and some other denominations, priests are those who claim to be a mediator between us and God. However, Jesus said that by accepting Him, we would become kings and priests ourselves. "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." (Revelation 1:4-6)You see, when we accept Christ into our hearts and lives, we need no mediator or priest; we can boldly come before the throne of grace. "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Hebrews 4:16)When Jesus was crucified, the temple veil was torn in two, which symbolizes that we have continuous access to God through prayer. In the temple or tabernacle, there were several areas: the inner and outer courts where the worshipers were, the holy place where only the priests were allowed (which contained the lamps, the incense altar and such), and finally the most holy place (or the holy of holies) where the presence of God and the arc of the covenant were. Only the high priest was allowed in the most holy place once a year, to make sacrifices unto God. When Christ was crucified, the veil separating the holy place and the most holy place was torn; thus, we now have direct access to God, through Jesus Christ: the divine Son of the living God. Therefore, according to the bible, we no longer require a priest; Jesus Christ is our mediator, but remember---he is also 100% God!God bless. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354726#p354726 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Greetings Constantine, I'd be pleased to help you with this. In Catholicism and some other denominations, priests are those who claim to be a mediator between us and God. However, Jesus said that by accepting Him, we would become kings and priests ourselves. "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." (Revelation 1:4-6)You see, when we accept Christ into our hearts and lives, we need no mediator or priest; we can boldly come before the throne of grace. "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Hebrews 4:16)When Jesus was crucified, the temple veil was torn in two, which symbolizes that we have continuous access to God through prayer. In the temple or tabernacle, there were several areas: the inner and outer courts where the worshipers were, the holy place where only the priests were allowed (which contained the lamps, the incense altar and such), and finally the most holy place (or the holy of holies) where the presence of God and the arc of the covenant were. Only the high priest was allowed in the most holy place once a year, to make sacrifices unto God. When Christ was crucified, the veil separating the holy place and the most holy place was torn; thus, we now have direct access to God, through Jesus Christ: the divine Son of the living God. Therefore, according to the bible, we no longer require a peace; Jesus Christ is our mediator, but remember---he is also 100% God!God bless. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354726#p354726 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam I'm afraid personally I agree with Ironcross here. Any person who is actually religious, and I mean really follows and believes in a religious creed rather than just someone who runs along with something for status or a sense of belonging or something else is part of a religion because they've made a deep personal commitment a God they have an actual sense of, a commitment that they're prepared to put work into, and a commitment which is not just a one way thing, not just a matter of saying some words or getting pent up with emotions.this is why the atheist will not understand a religious commitment, since a religious commitment is not based entirely on rationality, or on things which are perceptible but is a matter off personal exploration, prayer and meditation. A very nice muslim fellow I once had a chat with said he had to meditate on the Koran each day, and even so he didn't feel he knew much of God as yet.This isn't to say religion is entirely irrational either, since there are definitely things which are not! part of most religions when practiced properly, e.g killing people, indeed my muslim friend was most irritated at so called Muslim terrorists for this reason, he actually said "do they know better than God?" What religion and what path to God you actually choose has to be a personal decision and one which others can't help you with, since it's very much between you and God and whatever way you approach god. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354719#p354719 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam To be honest, I believe religion is just a web of differing opinions of how our existence started, and not much more than that. I don't think anyone can really tell you or anyone else what to believe. People can help you by giving you knowledge, helping to talk out the things you're unsure about, but nobody can decide for you, and should not be pushing you to a decision.As an example of what I mean by pushing, a friend of mine in fifth grade came on the bus one morning, and was incessantly talking about why I should prey to God and be a Christian. When I told her I didn't do that, she was visibly upset. "Why not?" she asked. "That's a sin, you know." She told me how God created the world, he did this and did that, and I should talk to him and love him, and try to read the Bible.I felt guilty after hearing her words, like I had committed sins for the 11 years I had been on this planet, and perhaps it was too late to fix them. Religion was never a topic I really discussed much at home, so I wasn't prepared to defend or discuss the views I did have, so the conversation on the bus made me feel trapped. I was now more afraid than ever to discuss it at home because I was afraid I'd get yelled at for not doing the things I was supposed to do, and should've been doing without being told.What I described above is a conversation which, under most circumstances, you should never allow someone to start with you. I hope you didn't post this topic hoping for someone to do that, because it's not a healthy way to find your true soul and its beliefs. I myself am agnostic, but I won't go into that here.Please do not expect people to make your decisions for you. I made that mistake multiple times during childhood and it's something I'm working on even now, and it's not a fun position to be in when you're an adult. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354717#p354717 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam I must agree with posts 7 and 9 on this subject. I myself find the bible extremely conflicting on various subjects. Think about it. We don't know much about the bible: when it was first written, what it said in it's first publication, etc., etc. The issue with blindly following religious texts is that they've gone through so many translations (and even some mistranslations) and the languages that these texts have been translated (and mistranslated) into have changed so quickly and drastically that we have, I believe, lost the original meaning. I don't even think we follow any Gods "plan" any more, simply because we don't know what the original "plan" was in the first place, nor do we know what the hell the bible, or really any religious text was, ever said originally. This reminds me of a discussion my cousin had over Skype one day. My cousin said, and I truly wonder this too, "When we go to war, and when soldiers go out to battle, they always say, 'I hope god is with us today!' or some such." He goes on to say, "I imagine God, sitting in his throne, laughing evilly down at us as he watches us suffer." And I truly have to agree with that. As Ironcross32 asked: why do deities allow us to kill ourselves? Why do deities allow what as happened throughout the universes history? Why would any God allow us to create weapons like hydrogen bombs, biologic weapons, etc. that are so powerful they could wipe out the entire population of the planet in several months to several days, if not hours? For me at least, I'm nestled right in the middle between Science and Religion. Some of my family is religious, some aren't, and so I'm stuck right in the middle of it. And I'm beginning to lean towards science much more than religion for one particular reason: because unlike religion, which cannot explain many things, and cannot prove things that it says, Science can prove and disprove many things. Science can explain the possible logical progression of events under a particular set of circumstances; religion may be able to, but in very vague references that confuse the mind. Science can explain many mysteries about humanity and the universe; religion cannot. These issues, as well as others I and others have pointed out on this topic, are why I unfortunately cannot fully commit myself to a religious point of view. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354715#p354715 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam hi, I'm not going to say I'm irreligious here. What I cannot do however is believe in the gods that religions like christianity and islam talk of, simply because the actions of this being don't make sense to me, and the information I get from reading into their holy books just seams very conflicting. Take the example of the christian god, who is described as all powerful, all knowing, all good and infinitely mursyful. How, however, can an all-knowing, all-good god allow all the suffering happening around the world right now, and all the horrible things done in his name such as the crusades and burnings on the stake of the middle ages? Any member of christian faith would tell you that god must allow these things to happen, because they are unavoidable in his grand plan he apparently has for all things. IN my eyes, a god that can find no solution to his problems other than causing a lot of death and misery is not an all-good god if he does it intentionally, nore would he be an all-powerful one if he could not go about the universe in a different way. If he does not know a better way to implement his plan, he can't be all-knowing either. Also, in the bible it says that god created mankind in his own immage. Why then do we sin? Why are murder, crime, and other such things happening, if we are all supposed to be created in god's immage? If god is mursyfull to all sins, why are we born with sin? If the bible is to be believed, adam and eav were cohersed to eat from the tree of knowledge 6000 years ago, which ment all future humans are born with sin. If god can forgive all sin however, why doesn't he forgive this act? To be blunt, why did he even allow other faiths to propigate? If he was all-powerful and wanted all of humankind to worship him, he could make it so that everyone does, but that's not what happened. I also can't follow christianity simply because it was responsible for a thousand years of theocracy and religious tyranny in almost all of europe. This basically haulted human advancements, we lost a lot of knowledge from the ages of antiquaty, and only started regaining it when the renaissance first started in italy. If a higher power does decide to show themselves to humanity, or simply to myself, I may follow them. Until that happens though, I can do nothing more than keep an open mind. Opinions are opinions, and far too many people have been put to death over the senturies because they believed in the wrong set of gods. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354710#p354710 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Hello,I agree with Riad. May Allah guide you through your choice. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354705#p354705 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam I, too, was going to reply, but as an atheist, to avoid flame wars, and to avoid being potentially banned, I feel as if it's best to remain silent. I obviously think differently, and that would just open up the gas canaster. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354685#p354685 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam You come on here all the time asking other people to make decisions for you, where to live, what programming languages to learn, etc. Now you're asking something that none of us can help you with, you're asking which path you should take to embrace your own spirituality. That is something we cannot do, and should not do. The reason for this is that you must do whatever resonates within you, and if nothing does, that's OK. There's nothing wrong with being atheist or agnostic. Maybe you will have some life changing event that will allow you to see things more clearly, and you will be able to make that choice. You know, one thing about always asking others to make decisions for you is that if you take the advice, you're living someone else's life. It's OK to ask for help, but really, anything that is said should be treated as points to consider. We cannot make your decisions for you, we can only help you weigh the points - good and bad- with each one. It is you who have to commit to a final decision.Now, I know next to nothing of Islam, I know a bit about Christianity, and let me tell you it has problems. I don't believe in God, never have, though I do believe in a sort of unity that I've felt in my life. This isn't traditional, you won't find it in books, but my beliefs revolve around the nature of the universe, and its clockwork and striving for balance. Religion to me has so many problems, and it breeds ignorance and hatred and violence. You also, like you said, have an intermediary standing between you and God. That intermediary might be honorable, might be a servant of God in every sense, might be good and all that is holy, if so, you're fortunate to be under their guidance. Some of these people though are quite corrupt. They drive around in very nice cars, they have multi-million dollar houses and so forth. There was a minister who in fact refused shelter to Hurricane Harvey sufferers earlier this year at first, until social media started catching up with him and shaming him publicly. Then the evil git started passing the collection plate around in his big mega church. When I saw that I was like what? Here these people are, without homes, without a clear plan forward, needing the mercy of their fellows, and this son of a bitch wants to act like they should be donating? No, in this time, the reason that churches take donations in part is to help people in their time of need, and that's what should have happened. Sure, churches need some of that money for maintenance, for hiring accountants, staff, etc. But, there is extra for going out and doing work in the community.Then, you have the holy rollers as I like to call them, not original of course, but the term is an apt one. It describes these people who go around judging their fellow Christians, and holding them to an impossibly high standard, and when their brethren do not live up to this standard, they shame them, they belittle them. So instead of being uplifting, they're denigrating, demeaning, and rude. My grandmother on my dad's side is a very devout Christian. She has talked about her childhood, and the time between then and the late 90's when she lived in sin, because she turned away from Christ. She's told her story to her church about how she then felt empty and was able to reconnect with God again, and in time, prove her worthiness. She now walks with Christ, she is dedicated to God, to understanding the bible, etc. Yet her and her husband get attacked on facebook by these people sometimes, and for ridiculous things. That is not how to be, you're supposed to be supporting, to be helpful, to be there for your fellows, not looking down on them. These people are sinning by doing this and are so rapped up in crap that they don't even realize that they're sinning.So, Christianity has problems. Yes denominations as well, I don't know, Catholics are rather strict etc. My mom's side of the family are Luthurin, which I think is part of Martin Luthur from the mid 1500's, not Doctor Martin Luthur King from 20th Century. You have Pentecostal, baptist, protestant, on and on and on. I think the first thing and the most important thing though is if you want to become Christian that you develop that relationship with God first, though I cannot tell you how to do that.Another thing is that you can't live by the bible every single word of it today. What I mean is that it says you can keep slaves for 7 years and beat them, and no punishment will befall you if you beat them and they don't die in 3 days. So, you could have the same slave, beat the shit out of them, but if they live, you're straight. You then have to give that slave up after 7 years, but what would they do after that time having been so treated. They wouldn't know how to live an independent life, and probably would choose to stay on. So this ever evolving thing where God is now a loving father, well he wasn't back then, he was essentially a war lord. So you have
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Re: Christianity or Islam @post 1:Am not going to raise a flame war, just going to comment this sentence.In Islam, God is truly one. No trinity.Infact the god is only one, but the religion is splitted in 2 factions. Like in christianity.*** this sentence could appear a bit rude so I invite religious persons to don't read further ***Actually, the victimes that were been made in paris, are from the true god that you are talking about.PS,If you found something that I missunderstood or what, don't esitate to tell. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354681#p354681 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Hello there.First, you may or may not know that I'm a muslim, I see Islam as "the" one and only religion of God "Allah" the Almighty, the one and only path to Him, but that's my own belief and I'm not into forcing anyone to believe in it. I even don't know if discussing religions is allowed on this forum and thus am not wishing to get myself into serious trouble This website will, inshaa Allah, teach you some things about Islam that you probably don't know and may leave no room for doubt in either one of the two religions:https://www.islamtomorrow.com/If you have anything unclear about Islam, no matter what it is, feel free to ask and I'll be more than happy to answer you.May Allah bless you and guide you through your choice. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354680#p354680 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam If Christianity is the truth, tell me, Orthodoxy, Catholicism or one of the trends of Protestantism and why?Tell me about the priests. How can a priest be a mediator between us and God?The Bible describes heaven as a place of spiritual bliss. In Islam there is a paradise on earth. The second is closer to me.Answer all my doubts, described in the first message. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354664#p354664 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Christianity or Islam Greetings Constantine.You may know that I'm a christian; you may not. However, my job on this Earth is to tell the world of the magnificent love of Christ. I will not force you to agree with me; nor will I try to shove the bible down your throat. My job is simple; I want you to come to Christ, so I must inform you. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:19-20)First off, who is God? The Bible, which is the complete and inerrant Word of God, says that God is all-powerful and all-knowing, and God is merciful and compassionate. God is one being, but within the one God there are 3 persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.Now, let's discuss Jesus. Most muslems believe that Jesus wasn't created before the formation of the universe, and that he was not begotten. They do not believe in the deity of Jesus, nor do they believe that he was crucified or resurrected. The bible says, however, that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and that he was crucified to forgive us of sin. (I'll talk about Sin and forgiveness later.) "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)Jesus says, in the 14th chapter of the Gospel of John, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."Also, the prophet Isaiah predicts Jesus' crucifiction in the old testament: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."Before I tell you about sin and forgiveness, let me tell you about the bible. The Bible is not only the Word of God, but is the ultimate record of the redemption of humanity. It's a perfectly written and inspired love leter, from God to you and I.Now, on to forgiveness and sin. When Adam and Eve were created by God, they dwelled in the garden of Eden without sin, death or disease. It was paradise on Earth, until the devil deceived them to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This is called original sin. Nowadays, humans are born into sin. You and I are both sinners; we've both come short of the glorry of God. We sin on a daily basis; to restore peace between us and God, we need a savior in Jesus Christ.The appostle Paul says, in his letter to the romans, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." Peter, in the book of Acts, tells us that we must turn to Jesus for salvation. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." And why do we need salvation from sin? Paul says, also in his letter to the roman church: "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."I could continue to speak of the wonders of God's love; I could tell you of the wonderful counceler and comforter, the Holy Spirit; I could even discuss the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. All of this is important; but first, I ask of you. I ask you to turn from your sin, and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ, because in the words of John the baptist, the kingdom of God is at hand.God bless you, and may God bring you peace. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354661#p354661 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Christianity or Islam Light and peace to you!My name is Constantine.Please, sorry my english.I can not say that I am a very religious person. But I believe in God. For nothing can be without a beginning.I have studied many religions for a long time. In the end, my path came to Christianity and Islam.Here, I'm confused. I do not know beyond the right path. And I ask you to help, to direct. Please help, for the sake of our creator, the true God I ask!The fact is that Christianity has something that is close to me, and Islam has something that is close to me.Let's take everything in order.Since my childhood I can not say that I strongly believed in God. The church for me somehow had some sacred feeling, but maybe it's psychology.Since childhood, I have problems with vision. At age 6 almost completely lost sight. But I do not blame God for this, I'm grateful to him. Why? Because I believe that my blindness helped me to avoid many of my peers' actions. Smoking, alcohol, etc.Despite the blindness, until 12-13 I did not think much about life. Then God sent me anguish and pain. And I'm grateful to him for that.Then I began to study the currents of Christianity. There were those things that I liked in Orthodoxy, such as saints and some other things, but there were also those that attracted Catholicism, for example, not greeting divorces, the requirement for the conscious commission of the Anointing, etc.Then I moved on to other religions. And most of all, except for Christianity, I'm attracted to Islam.I'm confused, I do not know the true way for me, I'm afraid of making a mistake.Now I will explain in what I am repelled by Christianity, what attracts Islam, and what attracts Christianity.In Christianity, such things as confession, acceptance into Christianity, occur through priests. I do not understand this. How can God forgive us through an intermediary who can be much more sinful than us? I believe that there should not be any intermediaries in communicating with God.In Christianity, it is believed that heaven is good in the soul. How nervous in Buddhism. But why is peace of mind? For example, I'm interested in the physical. I want to feel, hear, see.I don't understand the trinity. How can God be divided into three? Father, son, holy spirit, is not God 1?I don't understand the bible. "God said," Let there be light, and there was light. " How so? Not from where? The stars - not the cosmos, heavenly holy? From this we presume that God himself created the inability of the world. But why?The essence of people's lives. Mental suffering. The essence is to suffer. How so at all? What did Jesus redeem with his victim?Reincarnation. Islam completely denies it. In Islam, we can say that parallel worlds, reincarnation, all the cunning and deceit of Shantai. In Christianity there is no transmigration of souls, but there is that when God himself brings us back to earth for a definite purpose.In Christianity, God is like a father to us, because in fact he is a father, but in Islam, God is our master, we are his slaves. The statement about the God-father is closer to me.In Islam, people are really kind. For every brother and sister. They do observe zakat, and often sacrifice very much. In Christianity, religion often outshines everything else, and there are really few religious ones. Muslims are mostly religious. Will you say about the Islamic state? I will answer. In the IS there are about 8 million Muslims. And there are about 1 billion of them in the world.In Islam, God is truly one. No trinity.In Christianity there is a blessed fire. Zoostation. These are the facts that confuse me in the choice of Islam.And finally. I have an inexplicable sense of craving for Islam. When I read a book where the hero is a Muslim, and he turns to Allah with gratitude, I want to do the same. I want to pray with him. I do not know where this feeling comes from.I am sincerely confused. I ask you to help me. Tell me the path.Thank you in advance.Glory to the true God! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354654#p354654 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
