Look closely. TAP is marketing flights that is it not actually operating.
For example, TAP offers a flight from San Francisco to Ponta Delgada, but
it's on JetBlue SFO-BOS and then over to PDL. Guess which infamous airline
owned by the Azorean government is operating the flight to PDL?
Buying
The XX configuration is tricky, which many either forget or do not realize.
The Y-gene is so easy to follow because it always comes directly from
father to son, father to son, at so on. My Y-gene is the exact same one my
several times great-grandfather had (unless some genetic mutation occurred
On Pico, you will find Leals in Ribeirinha, but the birth records likely
say Piedade because the priest did the record-keeping in Piedade.
Ribeirinha because its own town separate from Piedade in the 1950s.
There are also Leals from Ribeirahs (Santa Cruz and Santa Barbara).
There may be Leals
What is now Fremont (which is a consolidation of several small towns) had a
great concentration of Azorean immigrants. In contrast, Oakland had fewer.
My grandfather's oldest brother settled and remained in Fremont while later
brothers spread into Oakland and elsewhere, Still, though, the
SATA and Virgin America have long code-shared on SFO-BOS-PDL flights and
Virgin has been merged into Alaska, so most probably Alaska is simply
renewing an existing agreement because the full "integration" of Alaska and
Virgin is supposed to be completed the end of this year, and the Virgin
Tony,
I am in Santo Amaro at the moment but will be leaving today until next
year, probably late spring, for the entire summer--including when you're
here. I have a home here (Terra Alta) and recently discovered I have some
genetic matches here, even though I thought my family line was from
To some extent, what Ángela Loura points out is made even more difficult by
the *acordo* from the 1990s by which the Portuguese-speaking world
agreed--to varying degrees--on standardizing spellings going forward, based
on how they were actually being said. For example, many words that had "ct"
Thank you for your comment, Sam. When pour house was first ready for
occupancy at the end of 2009, many locals thought we were crazy to build a
"new" house out of the stones and roof tiles of ruins, and worse that than
to assemble those pieces to give the impression the "new" house was already
Oops! I just did a search on the complete text of *Mau Tempo do Canal* and
discovered TWO spellings for the name of the same person! Nemésio also
shows it as "Lauriano" when listing some townspeople of Santo Amaro but
"Laureano" when quoting the sister Maria Margarida when she speaks with her
The spelling of names in the past is always a challenge, especially with
varying degrees of literacy and the near-absence of widespread
communication that could help form standards as with Maria, João, José,
Manuel, António, and so on. So many other names have variant spellings
because of the
Not all immigrants to the U.S. arrived with official passports. My
grandfather's oldest brother emigrated from Horta in 1885, but his passport
was issued later to verify his Portuguese citizenship and was signed for by
his younger brother, who remained in Flamengos the rest of his life. His
The flight from Oakland to Terceira is, technically, a charter flight
ticketed by Azores Airlines (the "new" identity of SATA International) but
managed and operated by a private company. I took this flight last summer
and it was wonderful. However, SATA has sometimes cancelled this flight and
FYI, Monte is a village in the freguesia of Candalaria, Pico. It's just
east of the town of Candalaria.
Tomás Leal
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I'd be very interested in knowing what you come up with for this marriage.
My grandfather's family is from Flamengos, and I've long been told that the
Duartes are cousins. My grandfather emigrated in 1907 with his best friend
and "cousin" Francisco Duarte. They were both about 18 at the time,
We have a canada running through our property on Pico. It's a footpath
running from the rua up the side of the hill to allow access to the various
terraces which are land-locked. Canadas started as footpaths, whether
providing access to terraces above, cutting through a woods, or leading to
The English teacher in me writes:
Proper citation depends upon the discipline involved and the specific
reading audience. The two main styles used throughout the U.S. are those of
the Modern Language Association (MLA) and the American Psychological
Association (APA). The two are similar and
Yes, puzzling and confusing.
My grandfather was born from the pregnancy following that of stillborn
twins. Yep, he was given the name of one of the twins. In tracking down
names on one line from Praia do Almoxarife, I repeatedly saw siblings with
the same first name (the boys, of course most
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 5:19:17 PM UTC-7, Rosemarie wrote:
. . . If you are searching Pico or Faial, there is another site:
www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt.
I've tried using this site, as some ancestors come from Praia do
Almoxarife. However, the bulk of my ancestors are from Flamengos,
I got the complete study by scrolling down and clicking on the Blackwell
Publishing link, where I got the full file in PDF format and downloaded it:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1469-1809.2004.00147.x/pdf
Tomás
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Yes, there are indeed censuses taken in the Azores. I have a copy of a book
detailing the families of the frequesia of Santo Amaro, Pico, from a census
in 1883 was published a few years ago (limited number) with government
grants. There is a similar book for the freguesia of Prainha, Pico. The
My summer home is within the freguesia of Santo Amaro, so I'll check with
my contacts there about Igor Espínola de França's book. There are already
two large books published with government support that are based on the
1883 census. The first book was on Prainha and the second one (which I
Alas, wish I had known you were searching, as I could have shown you some
stores you could visit for those shoes. Shopping can be a great frustration
because the local stores are so poorly marked. Often, I happen to walk by a
building and see an open door--a little loja! Who knew?
The best way
Another aspect of the expostos--and I don't know whether this has come up
earlier or not, so please forgive my possible duplication--is something I
learned on a short visit to Santa Maria last week (with Nancy Jean
Baptiste, in fact!). Various pirate raids preceded some increases in the
There is some confusion, and I do know the correct information.
Countries within the European Union have aligned citizenship laws to one
standard: Citizenship extends to the CHILD of a citizen. Anyone born of a
Portuguese citizen has by birth Portuguese citizenship. A birth within
Portugal is
Friday I attended an all-day workshop led by João Ventura on methods for
tracing ancestry through Portuguese records, particularly Azorean records.
The workshop was wonderful and João's formidable skills were apparent. I
was so happy to meet and talk with a list member with so much expertise
Quarta-feira, 29 de Janeiro de 2014 9:53:06 UTC-8, Cheri Mello escreveu:
Maybe I should have typed the whole thing out instead of pulling it out of
context.
filho legitimate: baby born in wedlock
filho natural: baby's parents not married
filho illegitimate: one parent married to
To add a little spice to this discussion . . .
On the registration of my great-grandparents' marriage, natural is used
in the sense of native of or born in. For example, my great-grandfather
is described as natural, baptisado, e moradôra da rua de Igreja desta
freguesia, which I understand as
Yes, we did have this discussion some time ago--I was part of that
discussion because I had gotten the information and had spoken with the
Portuguese consul at that time in San Francisco. I have recently spoken
with the current consul, who confirmed my understanding.
The European Union
According to The Immigration and Nationality Act, Title III, SEC. 305. [8
C. 1405], A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen
of the United States at birth.
Tomás Leal
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Sábado, 16 de Novembro de 2013 3:19:11 UTC-8, Doug da Rocha Holmes escreveu:
Hi Tomas,
With what you found, is there any hint as to how we are related according
to the Family Finder test?
If one branch is from Pico, maybe that's the one to pursue.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Hey, Doug!
Thanks to another member of the list who posted a link, I was able to click
and search for my great-grandparents' marriage registration in 1868. The
link was
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1860-1891/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1860-1891_item1/
What I cannot
As long as you're going to bring up the matter, Cheri, let me add my ,02
euros worth:
Given there is already an option for user information to be made Private
on Family Tree DNA, what not make the match bars also available for privacy
or opt out? It seems such a waste to close off such rich
Is it correct to list all marriages of an ancestor, even those that
produced no children?
In building my family tree, I have been showing all marriages, even those
that ended in divorce or death but without children. Someone recently
questioned whether it is correct to list non-relatives who
One more question: What about co-habitating couples who never married?
Certainly if there are children it makes sense to list both parents,
perhaps with a notation there was no marriage. But what of an unmarried
couple with no children?
It would seem that the more information shown, the better
I just found out that the location listed on a birth, marriage, or death
registration may not be where the event actually occurred. Instead, it may
be simply the larger town where registrations were made.
While here in Pico, I offered to check some family names for Mike Gilfilian
in nearby
The naming practice is just as confusing to me when I am in the Azores
among the living as it is in searching documents. I have neighbors I know
are related to each other with different family names. Some children use
the father's family name, others use the mother's.
One factor, I've learned,
On Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:04:19 PM UTC, E Sharp wrote:
Here's a question for you all including those living in the Azores. If
someone entered to the US illegally, under dark of night, ca 1900 do you
think they would they have gotten a Passportes before they left Faial? The
ship left
I second Nancy Jean's response and add that records don't always tell the
whole story. Some emigrants simply left, hoping to return, and family
members--sometimes even complete strangers--used the abandoned properties
as their own, if only to work the land. After a time, the squatters may
file
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May and June usually have good availability, but July is difficult and
August nearly impossible without an advanced reservation. On Pico, I know
locals who rent out their cars, and in August they are the only option for
visitors who have not already reserved by early June.
Tomas Leal
Having property in the Azores, which involved considerable effort to ensure
clear title and subsequent purchases of adjoining lands, I cannot imagine
any way of tracing ownership from the U.S. without some contact there.
You'd need to find the map in the concelho (the equivalent of a county in
My experience in the Azores is that Spanish may be of some usefulness in
getting your ideas across but of little usefulness to you in understanding
what Azoreans are saying. European Portuguese is an older language than
modern Spanish. Though vocabulary is similar, spellings and pronunciations
I want to second Cheri's response. Every time I'm in Horta and need a
taxi--usually between the airport and the center of town--the driver is
more often bilingual, especially younger drivers. Just about everyone under
30 has studied English in school and speaks English to a passable level of
On Sunday, April 7, 2013 8:32:25 AM UTC-7, nan wrote:
Question about ATM and Credit Cards. Thank you. But does it need to have
a chip? My cards just have a magnetic strip (no chip). I hear a card with
a chip is needed throughout Europe. Nancy
Oops. Let me clarify my first sentence:
My Bank of the West card has always worked in every ATM in the Azores. I
use it to get cash in euros (the daily maximum is 200 euros, regardless of
any higher limit your bank might set). It's always been accepted as a
credit card when I needed it, though in grocery stores there can be some
were able to provide so many dates that I can use to fill
in more blanks on my tree! I'll keep digging away to see what else I can
find.
Tomas Leal
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in whatever blanks--assuming my Jose Abreu is the person married to your
Rose Trambas.
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will reveal its threshold, of course. A call ahead of time prevents this
problem.
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Diane George wrote:
I had my nephew tested and his Haplogroup is J2, and J-M172 (Shorthand).
The most distant paternal ancestor is Joao Inacio da Silva. The baptismal
certificate for his son, Jose Ignacio Silva, shows that Joao was from Horta
Matriz, Faial, with unknown parents, but we have no
from my grandfather's baptism registration, which
lists his parents' names and their parents' names.
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The library in Horta has the various parish records going far back. I
have copies of baptism certificates of my grandfather's oldest brother
who was born in 1869.
The records are stored by parish, then by year and by date.
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My information on gaining citizenship through a grandparent originally
came from a government brochure and was confirmed a couple of months
ago in a conversation I had with the outgoing Consul General in San
Francisco. The Vice-Consul added that she could help in arranging for
the exam.
Over the
In response to some of the questions and statements regarding
Portuguese citizenship:
Reason for wanting citizenship:
My reason is purely sentimental, a greater connection with my Azorean
grandfather and the family there. In fact, I already possess Irish
citizenship and passport via my mother's
My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
requirements:
1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
proof of the person's birth and your connection)
2 - No criminal record
3 - Three
I do know about other ports of entry and that Ellis Island doesn't
always mean that particular point of entry.
My grandfather himself told me he had entered through Ellis Island. He
also took the train from New York to Oakland with a ticket his brother
Antonio had already paid for. Both the ship
I know my grandfather came to the U.S. through Ellis Island in 1905,
and I know he travelled from Faial with a boyhood buddy. In scouring
the Ellis Island records, I found the ship manifest but only the
buddy's name, not my grandfather's name.
I know I have the correct ship manifest because each
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