Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread Palak Mathur
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Pratham Gadre pratham.ga...@gmail.comwrote: Audrey, We would like to hear your thoughts on the antics pulled by Anand Pillai (member of PSF). ref: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2013-September/thread.html Mails with the subject :

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread T S KAMATH
Hi.. Its was in bad taste and treated as such, proper apology demanded and given.. hence we hope all the concerned party rest this.. or take it up in private. ..a full apology from Anand is on the maillist, posted at 9:50AM 8 Sep 2013. rgds Srikanth On 08-Sep-2013, at 11:15 AM, Pratham

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread ashish makani
+1 to Svaksha Pratham for speaking out. Anand Pillai, your conduct is unbecoming of a python community member, leave alone a member of PSF and IPSS. IMHO, there should be no place on PSF for people like you. In your first response, you come off as super arrogant haughty, as if having started

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread Abdul Muneer
+1 Regards, Abdul Muneer -- Follow me on Twitter: @abdulmuneer http://twitter.com/#%21/abdulmuneer On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:52 AM, T S KAMATH tsk.kam...@gmail.com wrote: Hi.. Its was in bad taste and treated as such, proper apology demanded and given.. hence we hope all the concerned

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread Abdul Muneer
Ouch, there was mail that came just before i hit send. I +1-ed what Mr. Kamath said. Its was in bad taste and treated as such, proper apology demanded and given.. hence we hope all the concerned party rest this.. or take it up in private. It might be a politically incorrect thing for person

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
Pratham Gadre pratham.ga...@gmail.com writes: Audrey, We would like to hear your thoughts on the antics pulled by Anand Pillai (member of PSF). I think this is getting out of hand. There were mistakes made intentional or otherwise and this caused a lot of ill will. I'm not particularly fond

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread svaksha
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 08 September 2013 08:23 AM, svaksha wrote: The next time you see anything related to PyLadies or women in Foss, feel free to air your sexist view

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread Annapoornima Koppad
All, Even though I am not particularly fond of Anand's deeds or comments, he has done a lot of work for the Python movement in his previous years. Which I believe should have added more sense of responsibility in his actions, given his experience. Which apparently has not happened. I suggest

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread Ramdas S
I think this is getting out of hand. There were mistakes made intentional or otherwise and this caused a lot of ill will. I'm not particularly fond of witch hunts. I don't think they're very effective and the damage done to the larger organisation when one of these things happen is often

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread Anand B Pillai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 08 September 2013 12:46 PM, svaksha wrote: On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 08 September 2013 08:23 AM, svaksha wrote: The

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-08 Thread Pratham Gadre
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Ramdas S ram...@gmail.com wrote: Anand is someone who has contributed immensely as a programmer, and as an evangelist to Python community. His humour may be distasteful, misogynist or whatever, but that are his personal views, and definitely not as IPSS

[BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread svaksha
https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py, comes off as trying too hard to be cute. #EpicFail. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Vinayak Hegde
Hi Svaksha, This can be fixed by sending a mail to the author and in this case, forking, modifying and asking for a pull request. Why is there a necessity to name and shame ? I did not find anything derogatory in the code (that I checked). I would normally have responded to this offlist but I

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Annapoornima Koppad
All, Seriously, I thought people were busy not having time after the conference. I would love to see who wants to add more commits to this particular repository. Come on guys, I thought you had better jobs to do than try (very) hard to make fun of others. If there are such jobless people, I

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On second thoughts maybe this was the objectionable part def get_purpose(): Return the purpose raise AmbiguousMissionError, Mission unclear Also the URL http://ladiespy.com does not resolve. Also there are python programmers(gender-neutral term) on this list. Maybe if there are any

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Annapoornima Koppad
More, I had a good mind to email this particular detail to every women mailing list that I am aware of. But then, it would portray all Bangalore men in bad light. Which is not my intention. More over, I am in touch with the PSF board itself, I had a good mind to send your repository link to the

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread svaksha
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Svaksha, This can be fixed by sending a mail to the author and in this case, forking, modifying and asking for a pull request. Why is there a necessity to name and shame ? Is'nt Anand Pillai a PSF member? This is

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Annapoornima Koppad a.kop...@gmail.comwrote: More, I had a good mind to email this particular detail to every women mailing list that I am aware of. But then, it would portray all Bangalore men in bad light. Which is not my intention. More over, I am in touch

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread svaksha
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: On second thoughts maybe this was the objectionable part def get_purpose(): Return the purpose raise AmbiguousMissionError, Mission unclear Also the URL http://ladiespy.com does not resolve. Ah, maybe you

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread steve
Hi, On Sunday 08 September 2013 01:26 AM, svaksha wrote: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: On second thoughts maybe this was the objectionable part def get_purpose(): Return the purpose raise AmbiguousMissionError, Mission unclear Also the

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread svaksha
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: Also svaksha's mail did not mention what she found objectionable. Vinayak, did you miss this email? https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2013-September/009359.html My replies are as inline text as I dislike

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread steve
Hi, On Sunday 08 September 2013 01:07 AM, svaksha wrote: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Svaksha, This can be fixed by sending a mail to the author and in this case, forking, modifying and asking for a pull request. Why is there a necessity to name

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Sriram Narayanan
I've sent a few emails to Svaksha - first asking what exactly was not right, and then followed up stating that I didn't see the source code itself. I don't know what Anand had in mind writing such code. Knowing him and his strong sense of sarcastic humor, I'd like to reserve judgement on his

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:08 PM, svaksha svak...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: Also svaksha's mail did not mention what she found objectionable. Vinayak, did you miss this email?

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Anand B Pillai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, On Saturday 07 September 2013 11:20 PM, Sriram Narayanan wrote: I've sent a few emails to Svaksha - first asking what exactly was not right, and then followed up stating that I didn't see the source code itself. I don't know what

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Anand B Pillai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Saturday 07 September 2013 10:26 PM, Annapoornima Koppad wrote: More, I had a good mind to email this particular detail to every women mailing list that I am aware of. But then, it would portray all Bangalore men in bad light. Which is not

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Annapoornima Koppad
Hi Anand, Please find my answers inline. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, On Saturday 07 September 2013 11:20 PM, Sriram Narayanan wrote: I've sent a few emails to Svaksha - first

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Annapoornima Koppad
@Anand, I read this email after I typed the other response and sent it. Apologies accepted. Yes, it did offend me. Now since you are asking sorry, I will let it go. Thanks and regards, Annapoornima On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote:

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Pratham Gadre
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 11:50:03PM +0530, Anand B Pillai wrote: Dear all, +1. Btw, I founded and manage this list, but I see my actions deserve some explanation. As Sriram, said I do have a (somewhat extreme) sense of sarcastic and dry humour. I am also a PSF member from 2010 and also

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread svaksha
Am reading all the responses, including Anand's apology, so I'll reply to those later. One at a time. And since you responded to my email, here goes: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. I was talking about the initial mail which lacked context. There

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread svaksha
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: +1. Btw, I founded and manage this list, but I see my actions deserve some explanation. As Sriram, said I do have a (somewhat extreme) sense of sarcastic and dry humour. I am also a PSF member from 2010 and also

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread svaksha
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Saturday 07 September 2013 10:26 PM, Annapoornima Koppad wrote: More, I had a good mind to email this particular detail to every women mailing list that I am aware of. But then, it would portray all Bangalore

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Senthil Kumaran
Hello Annapoornima, I can understand your stance, but I think, this email is bit strongly worded and could hurt the readers. And as a helpful note, I think, leadership on your effort could be built more in friendly cooperative way than by intimidation. Personally, I care more about python,

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Anand B Pillai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Sunday 08 September 2013 01:44 AM, svaksha wrote: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: +1. Btw, I founded and manage this list, but I see my actions deserve some explanation. As Sriram, said I

[BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Daniel Greenfeld
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Anand B Pillai anandpillai at letterboxes.org wrote: in anyway, but in general I don't personally agree with woman coding as a separate problem as opposed to people coding. I hope you raised these objections on the PSF mailing list too. -svaksha As a PSF

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Daniel Greenfeld
As a PSF member I'm going to delurk right now. That's because as an admirer/supporter of the India Python community, I'm rather shocked and saddened by this thread. The PSF and pyladies have been affiliated for quite some time, arguably years at this point. In fact, the PSF has provided

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Srinivasa Rao
Hi Annapoornima I am ready to work please share job details in Python development Regards Srinivasa On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Annapoornima Koppad a.kop...@gmail.comwrote: All, Seriously, I thought people were busy not having time after the conference. I would love to see who wants

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread svaksha
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Sunday 08 September 2013 01:44 AM, svaksha wrote: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: +1. Btw, I founded and

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Annapoornima Koppad
Hello All, I was naive in accepting Anand Pillai's clever play of words as an apology. More and more, I get to see the other side of play of words. @Anand Pillai, Can you issue a proper apology clearly stating that you will refrain from making comments hurting other people's initiatives, now or

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Sriram Narayanan
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 1:27 AM, svaksha svak...@gmail.com wrote: Am reading all the responses, including Anand's apology, so I'll reply to those later. One at a time. And since you responded to my email, here goes: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Anand B Pillai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 08 September 2013 08:23 AM, svaksha wrote: The next time you see anything related to PyLadies or women in Foss, feel free to air your sexist view that women's groups is an issue more of politics than technology and society on the PSF

Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py

2013-09-07 Thread Pratham Gadre
Audrey, We would like to hear your thoughts on the antics pulled by Anand Pillai (member of PSF). ref: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2013-September/thread.html Mails with the subject : https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py Most of us, don't like the way he is hiding behind