Re: Stus-List baby stay

[Brad Crawford via CnC-List]

Well said, I agree

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 6:10 AM, robert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My 1984 C 32 has a very robust mast.as was stated "more like an 
> aluminum telephone pole",  nevertheless Rob Ball decided to outfit the rig 
> with a baby stay and for that reason, it stays on the boat.  It is a PITA 
> when tacking but you get to know your boat and learn how to make efficient 
> tacks by back winding the genoa to avoid the sail catching on the baby stay.  
> 
> I am confident that the boat would perform fine without the baby stay on most 
> day sails but since it is there, it will be attached and tensioned.  Maybe on 
> these rigs, the baby stay helps to induce 'rake' on these otherwise 'aluminum 
> telephone poles'.
> 
> There was another C 32 84 at our club whose owner took the baby stay off 
> completely and he didn't appear to have any issues with his rig.
> 
> If I had one of the C models with the bendy masts, 3 spreaders, etc. I 
> would definitely keep the baby stay tensioned.  We raced a 34R for several 
> years and I can assure you that boat benefited from a tensioned baby stay. 
> 
> So for me, if the boat designer thought a baby stay was needed, then I will 
> use it.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S. 
> 
>> On 2017-10-25 10:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List wrote:
>> I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
>> babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of 
>> the season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the 
>> clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.  
>> Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
>> actively use the baby stay.
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C 35-III #11
>>> On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
>>> Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby 
>>> stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary 
>>> on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed 
>>> in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely 
>>> requires it you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if 
>>> your spreaders are not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more 
>>> like aluminum telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby 
>>> stay notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively 
>>> bendy mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans 
>>> to ever take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the protected 
>>> waters of the NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in tacking upwind and 
>>> removing it for flying the kite, my sailmaker recommend it's removal, which 
>>> I did and have never looked back. Now if I planned to go offshore, I would 
>>> put it back on board for the SOLE reason of preventing mast pumping fore 
>>> and aft--that is one gravity storm I prefer to miss!
>>> Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use mandatory 
>>> but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize mast 
>>> pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in 
>>> protected waters and  have never missed it (but the attachment below and 
>>> rod as well as the rolled up stay are kept on board anyway!
>>> 
>>> FWIW
>>> 
>>> Charlie Nelson
>>> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
>>> Water Phantom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then 
 attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the 
 v-berth area. I don't have a track on mine.
 
 If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a 
 lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's  
 left if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much 
 glass I would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.
 
 I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded 
 together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?
 
 Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's 
 in the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.
 
 Thanks,
 Kevin
 
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, 
> and dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it. 
> Would serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, 
> but look around at what is possible since probably would be done this way 
> today on a new boat. Cheaper, 

Re: Stus-List News story

[Brad Crawford via CnC-List]

What happened to sailing?

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 4:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the 
> Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise functional 
> boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker and a year’s 
> supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really has a 1 year 
> supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog? 
> 
> Gotta be more coming on this one...
> 
> John
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List News story

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

They'll just have to check the Captain's log for the rest of the story.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 7:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the
> Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise
> functional boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker
> and a year’s supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really
> has a 1 year supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog?
>
> Gotta be more coming on this one...
>
> John
>
>
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Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

My baby stay is on a track.  We tension it with winds above fifteen knots.
We race with a 105% genoa.  When hoisting a spinnaker, my crew releases the
baby stay to do dip pole gybes.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Graham,
>
>
>
> We release the baby stay any time the #1 is in use.   The rest of the time
> it is tensioned, even in the slip.  When the #3 is up, it tacks cleanly
> through the foretriangle.  I have seen the mast pump before and know the
> benefits of the baby stay.  It’s seldom used on the Chesapeake, but it
> definitely serves a purpose.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *G
> Collins via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 21:22
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* G Collins 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34
>
>
>
> I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the
> adjustable babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the
> beginning of the season and then at some random time during the summer
> someone kicks the clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't
> tensioned.
>
> Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and
> actively use the baby stay.
>
> Graham Collins
>
> Secret Plans
>
> C 35-III #11
>
>
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Rose City YC
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Re: Stus-List News story

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

But I am happy to report that both human and canine crew appear quite buff and 
dapper after the ordeal.  Also from photos in news the main was nicely flaked.

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5021671/Two-sailors-rescued-stranded-5-MONTHS.html
> 
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/26/navy-rescues-2-americans-and-their-dogs-who-were-lost-sea-months/803593001/
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the 
>> Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise functional 
>> boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker and a year’s 
>> supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really has a 1 year 
>> supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog?
>> 
>> Gotta be more coming on this one...
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Graham,

 

We release the baby stay any time the #1 is in use.   The rest of the time it 
is tensioned, even in the slip.  When the #3 is up, it tacks cleanly through 
the foretriangle.  I have seen the mast pump before and know the benefits of 
the baby stay.  It’s seldom used on the Chesapeake, but it definitely serves a 
purpose.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA



 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of G Collins 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 21:22
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: G Collins 
Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

 

I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of the 
season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the clutch, 
and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.  

Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
actively use the baby stay.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

 

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Re: Stus-List News story

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5021671/Two-sailors-rescued-stranded-5-MONTHS.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/26/navy-rescues-2-americans-and-their-dogs-who-were-lost-sea-months/803593001/

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the
> Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise
> functional boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker
> and a year’s supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really
> has a 1 year supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog?
>
> Gotta be more coming on this one...
>
> John
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List News story

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I thought it was rare for anyone to sail Hawaii to Tahiti because it was 2600 
miles upwind? And how did they keep the water maker running for 6 months with 
no engine power? I’d hate to try to make 5-6 gallons a day with one of those 
little pump style water makers they put into liferafts.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of svpegasus38 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 7:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: svpegasus38 
Subject: Re: Stus-List News story

 

How do you get stranded on an "otherwise functional sailboat"? The engine is 
called auxiliary for a reason!!

 

Just asking. 

 

 

 

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Doug Mountjoy 

POYC 

Pegasus (for sale)

Lf38 

Rebecca Leah 

LF 39

 

 Original message 

From: John Pennie via CnC-List  > 

Date: 10/26/17 16:01 (GMT-08:00) 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Cc: John Pennie  > 

Subject: Stus-List News story 

 

Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the 
Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise functional 
boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker and a year’s 
supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really has a 1 year 
supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog? 

Gotta be more coming on this one...

John


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Re: Stus-List News story

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

My spider sense is tingling.

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On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:57 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
> wrote:

How do you get stranded on an "otherwise functional sailboat"? The engine is 
called auxiliary for a reason!!

Just asking.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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Pegasus (for sale)
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Rebecca Leah
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 Original message 
From: John Pennie via CnC-List 
>
Date: 10/26/17 16:01 (GMT-08:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Pennie >
Subject: Stus-List News story

Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the 
Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise functional 
boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker and a year’s 
supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really has a 1 year 
supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog?

Gotta be more coming on this one...

John


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Re: Stus-List News story

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

How do you get stranded on an "otherwise functional sailboat"? The engine is 
called auxiliary for a reason!! Just asking. 


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 Original message From: John Pennie via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/26/17  16:01  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John Pennie  Subject: 
Stus-List News story 
Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the 
Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise functional 
boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker and a year’s 
supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really has a 1 year 
supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog? 

Gotta be more coming on this one...

John


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Re: Stus-List Stove

[Joseph Bognar via CnC-List]

Kyle : Do not waste your time on a stove . I have a 30 and I never use the 
stove . I have two of those Butane single burner gas stoves that come in a case 
. They work perfect . Around $20 if you can find them on sale . 

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone...new owner of a 1977 C 26. I have owned a Bayliner sailboat 
> and still have a Catalina 25. Really excited about this C, but I’m working 
> on where to install a stove. I’m located in Washington State and coffee is a 
> must. I mostly prepare food on a grill in the cockpit. So I could use a 
> single burner. Just looking for advice and ideas. 
> 
> The boat has never had a name and I’m considering using my first grandson’s 
> name, Killian. 
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Stus-List News story

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Ok, wtf? Story on news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the 
Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an otherwise functional 
boat.  Apparently the crew survived as they had a water maker and a year’s 
supply of oatmeal.  Something not add up here?  And who really has a 1 year 
supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog? 

Gotta be more coming on this one...

John


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Re: Stus-List Stove

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

I’d 2nd that.  We have a little Pearson 27 that we keep for day sailing and we 
just went with a little butane 1 burner for the occasional weekend and, my 
case, tea.

John


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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Bill Dakin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> How about this one...
> http://www.coleman.com/butane-stove/220951.html?cgid=coleman-stovesandgrills#pmax=25=0=1
> 
> Bill Dakin
> S/V Tapestry
> 25MKII
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Hello everyone...new owner of a 1977 C 26. I have owned a Bayliner 
>> sailboat and still have a Catalina 25. Really excited about this C, but 
>> I’m working on where to install a stove. I’m located in Washington State and 
>> coffee is a must. I mostly prepare food on a grill in the cockpit. So I 
>> could use a single burner. Just looking for advice and ideas. 
>> 
>> The boat has never had a name and I’m considering using my first grandson’s 
>> name, Killian. 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Thank you Josh...and once again, thank you Stu.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:50 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> To Kevin's point, if the expense (money and time) is exorbitant, there may
> be alternatives or at least a strong argument for something different.
> This list does have plenty of smart people, many of whom may have
> experience with modern social networking technology and associated
> platforms.  It is possible that there is a better way to do this.  It is
> also quite possible that this list is still the best, cheapest, and least
> involved.
>
> Just because this topic has been discussed at length multiple times in the
> past doesn't mean that a new technology hasn't come along.  I do remember
> that one of the important features referenced in the past was that it be
> email based so that our SSB/pactor/snail mail members can still interact.
> With the ubiquity of modern high-speed cell phone internet and even
> satellite internet communications it seems that even that argument is
> becoming moot.
>
> As for the "transition" from Stu (for whatever reason but most importantly
> an untimely demise) a "board of directors" might be appropriate to ensure a
> smooth transition.
>
> None of this is to discredit or disrespect Stu's efforts or
> contributions.  In fact quite the opposite.  Thank you Stu for all of your
> time and effort over the years.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2017 3:35 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Dennis et al,
>> Wouldn't you want to know how *much* it is costing Stu or how *little* he
>> is making so you could send MORE money, to help out? I do so I can send
>> MORE, not less!
>>
>> Continue to pile on all you like. Being informed of the approximate costs
>> (in time and $) would benefit everyone, least of all Stu, since listers
>> would know what it takes and could contribute MORE.
>>
>> Keep em coming. Still loving this list and C's ;!
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This virtual C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us
>>> have escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.
>>>
>>> What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing
>>> fee to all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and
>>> any future fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it
>>> lacking.
>>>
>>> Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call
>>> Stu's List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We
>>> like that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it,
>>> we all feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is
>>> the "official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is
>>> "ours".
>>>
>>> Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative
>>> $$ and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done
>>> that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members
>>> cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs,
>>> engines, electrical and electronics.
>>>
>>> Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I
>>> believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like
>>> others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle
>>> or two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.
>>>
>>> Enough about this.  Send $$$.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length.
 We do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group
 hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left
 homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google
 really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other
 options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they
 had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else
 to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home,
 where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to
 exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing
 job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession
 plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu
 should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous
 amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked
 if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal
 arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and 

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

To Kevin's point, if the expense (money and time) is exorbitant, there may
be alternatives or at least a strong argument for something different.
This list does have plenty of smart people, many of whom may have
experience with modern social networking technology and associated
platforms.  It is possible that there is a better way to do this.  It is
also quite possible that this list is still the best, cheapest, and least
involved.

Just because this topic has been discussed at length multiple times in the
past doesn't mean that a new technology hasn't come along.  I do remember
that one of the important features referenced in the past was that it be
email based so that our SSB/pactor/snail mail members can still interact.
With the ubiquity of modern high-speed cell phone internet and even
satellite internet communications it seems that even that argument is
becoming moot.

As for the "transition" from Stu (for whatever reason but most importantly
an untimely demise) a "board of directors" might be appropriate to ensure a
smooth transition.

None of this is to discredit or disrespect Stu's efforts or contributions.
In fact quite the opposite.  Thank you Stu for all of your time and effort
over the years.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Oct 26, 2017 3:35 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis et al,
> Wouldn't you want to know how *much* it is costing Stu or how *little* he
> is making so you could send MORE money, to help out? I do so I can send
> MORE, not less!
>
> Continue to pile on all you like. Being informed of the approximate costs
> (in time and $) would benefit everyone, least of all Stu, since listers
> would know what it takes and could contribute MORE.
>
> Keep em coming. Still loving this list and C's ;!
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This virtual C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us
>> have escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.
>>
>> What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing fee
>> to all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and any
>> future fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it lacking.
>>
>> Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call
>> Stu's List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We
>> like that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it,
>> we all feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is
>> the "official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is
>> "ours".
>>
>> Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative
>> $$ and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done
>> that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members
>> cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs,
>> engines, electrical and electronics.
>>
>> Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I
>> believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like
>> others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle
>> or two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.
>>
>> Enough about this.  Send $$$.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length.
>>> We do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group
>>> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left
>>> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google
>>> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other
>>> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they
>>> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else
>>> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home,
>>> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to
>>> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing
>>> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession
>>> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu
>>> should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous
>>> amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked
>>> if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal
>>> arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and use of
>>> the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund
>>> raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have expressed
>>> gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's
>>> are also more saleable, and 

Re: Stus-List Stove

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Forespar makes a nifty gimbled stove for small boats.  I like the idea of a 
gimble system since boats tend to move around beneath the stove, and hot fluids 
splashing all over the cabin are usually a bit messy and dangerous.  This one 
uses the same propane cannisters as a Magna Grill or Lehr Propane outboard 
motor and can be purchased at any grocery or hardware store.

 

  
https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=14122

I used to use a wind proof butane Optimus backpacking stove when I had my C 
25 and it worked well, but the compressed gas cannisters are no longer 
available.

 

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dakin 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:49 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Dakin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove

 

How about this one...

http://www.coleman.com/butane-stove/220951.html?cgid=coleman-stovesandgrills#pmax=25
 

 =0=1

 

Bill Dakin

S/V Tapestry

25MKII

 

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List  > wrote:

Hello everyone...new owner of a 1977 C 26. I have owned a Bayliner sailboat 
and still have a Catalina 25. Really excited about this C, but I’m working on 
where to install a stove. I’m located in Washington State and coffee is a must. 
I mostly prepare food on a grill in the cockpit. So I could use a single 
burner. Just looking for advice and ideas. 

 

The boat has never had a name and I’m considering using my first grandson’s 
name, Killian. 


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Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I think if it like NPR. I have no idea how much they need to run the stations, 
but I contribute anyway based on what I can afford / related to what I get out 
of listening. 

We should treat this list the same. I am sure if most participants gave 
something Stu’s costs would be covered. If Stu ends up with more than he needs 
- great - it’s well deserved!

--
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Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 15:34, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dennis et al, 
> Wouldn't you want to know how much it is costing Stu or how little he is 
> making so you could send MORE money, to help out? I do so I can send MORE, 
> not less!
> 
> Continue to pile on all you like. Being informed of the approximate costs (in 
> time and $) would benefit everyone, least of all Stu, since listers would 
> know what it takes and could contribute MORE. 
> 
> Keep em coming. Still loving this list and C's ;!
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> This virtual C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us have 
>> escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.  
>> 
>> What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing fee to 
>> all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and any future 
>> fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it lacking.
>> 
>> Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call Stu's 
>> List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We like 
>> that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it, we all 
>> feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is the 
>> "official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is "ours".
>> 
>> Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative $$ 
>> and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done 
>> that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members 
>> cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs, 
>> engines, electrical and electronics.  
>> 
>> Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I 
>> believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like 
>> others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle or 
>> two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.
>> 
>> Enough about this.  Send $$$.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We 
>>> do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group 
>>> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left 
>>> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google 
>>> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other 
>>> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they 
>>> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else 
>>> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home, 
>>> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to 
>>> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing 
>>> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession 
>>> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way   a "business" 
>>> for Stu should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an 
>>> enormous amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be 
>>> shocked if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has 
>>> formal arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and 
>>> use of the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest 
>>> fund raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have 
>>> expressed gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our 
>>> old C's are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's 
>>> generous work. 
>>> 
>>> Bill Bina
>>> 
 On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
 Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my 
 perspective:
 
 Mike,
 
 I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's 
 property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a 
 Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think 
 one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by 
 many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love. 
 
 God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would 
 evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does 
 not own 

Stus-List Support Contributions

[Stu via CnC-List]

Please do not let this contribution thread turn into a political nightmare.

I have not revealed the cost of maintaining everything because it changes
all the time.  The list itself has almost doubled in price since starting
and as it grows larger, our costs for archived storage go up.  We have a
very active list which uses a considerable amount of bandwidth and that
increases costs.

There are not a lot of providers that will not let you have list software
that sends out 10,000 emails per day to its subscribers.  Some providers
consider it to be called 'spam'.

Hosting can be from free to expensive. But in the long run, you only get
what you pay for.  I don't consider $600-$700 a year for hosting to be
outrageous when they have 99.99% uptime.  Add another $600 for the list
and you get an idea of what it costs.  And don't forget to add in domain
registrations.

Time-wise, I read every email posted and scrutinize the content and warn
the subscribers if they cross the line.  Every day somebody tries to send
a large email that I have to check and either allow it or reject it.  So
yes there is a bit of time every day spent on maintenance.

I have not replied to every individual who has contributed and I have no
excuse for not doing so.  I will not post their names on this list or on
the Photo Album.

If you want to send tokens of appreciation through the mail, please
contact me off the list first.

Again -- THANK YOU!!! for your contributions -- they are greatly appreciated.

Stu


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Re: Stus-List Stove

[John McKay via CnC-List]

I use one of those ButaneThey are light and compactIt has been on the cabin 
sole many times and keeps working. I have now bolted it down.
The one draw back I find is that it is very hot. I had it on low one time 
heating pork and beans and I was on the bow talking to a fellow boater. Went 
back into the cabin and they were severally baked beans. I just threw the pot 
out. Great for the price, don't leave unattended.
John on EnterpriseC 33 MK IIKomoka Ontario
 

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:50 PM, Bill Dakin via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 How about this 
one...http://www.coleman.com/butane-stove/220951.html?cgid=coleman-stovesandgrills#pmax=25=0=1

Bill DakinS/V Tapestry25MKII
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hello everyone...new owner of a 1977 C 26. I have owned a Bayliner sailboat 
and still have a Catalina 25. Really excited about this C, but I’m working on 
where to install a stove. I’m located in Washington State and coffee is a must. 
I mostly prepare food on a grill in the cockpit. So I could use a single 
burner. Just looking for advice and ideas. 
The boat has never had a name and I’m considering using my first grandson’s 
name, Killian. 
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Re: Stus-List Stove

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

Kyle,
I’’eve got a 1977 C 26 and the boat came originally with a stove.
I’ve since replaced it with a 2 burner Force 10 propane stove which fitted 
right in the hole, almost exactly.
It was located (by C) outboard of the sink on the other part of the “L” on 
the starboard side. Long side running fore and aft.
I could probably get a pic next time I’m out at the boat.

sam
C 26  Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Bill Dakin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> How about this one...
> http://www.coleman.com/butane-stove/220951.html?cgid=coleman-stovesandgrills#pmax=25=0=1
> 
> Bill Dakin
> S/V Tapestry
> 25MKII
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Hello everyone...new owner of a 1977 C 26. I have owned a Bayliner 
>> sailboat and still have a Catalina 25. Really excited about this C, but 
>> I’m working on where to install a stove. I’m located in Washington State and 
>> coffee is a must. I mostly prepare food on a grill in the cockpit. So I 
>> could use a single burner. Just looking for advice and ideas. 
>> 
>> The boat has never had a name and I’m considering using my first grandson’s 
>> name, Killian. 
>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Tapestryaussies.org
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Re: Stus-List Stove

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

How about this one...
http://www.coleman.com/butane-stove/220951.html?cgid=coleman-stovesandgrills#pmax=25=0=1

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone...new owner of a 1977 C 26. I have owned a Bayliner
> sailboat and still have a Catalina 25. Really excited about this C, but
> I’m working on where to install a stove. I’m located in Washington State
> and coffee is a must. I mostly prepare food on a grill in the cockpit. So I
> could use a single burner. Just looking for advice and ideas.
>
> The boat has never had a name and I’m considering using my first
> grandson’s name, Killian.
>
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Stus-List Baby stay

[patricia barkley-higginbottom via CnC-List]

ewrecord.asp?class_id=1794



That's how it is on my 34R.  On my boat they welded a stainless stud 
to a stainless bracket that is thru bolted to a stringer.   A short 
piece of rod carries the load from the track down to the hull 
stringer.



I suggest you pull up the floor around the hole and look in there?


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, M
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Re: Stus-List Support Contributions

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Is it legal to send a bottle of rum from the US to a personal address in Canada?


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 3:09 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We do 
>> not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group hosted 
>> by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left homeless. At 
>> that time, we had a long debate   about where to go. Google really 
>> didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other options, 
>> including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they had 
>> dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else to 
>> host us, we were all very happy to have Stu   provide us a stable 
>> home, where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to 
>> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing 
>> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession 
>> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu 
>> should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous 
>> amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked 
>> if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal 
>> arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and use of 
>> the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund 
>> raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have expressed 
>> gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's are 
>> also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous work. 
>> 
>> Bill Bina

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Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Dennis et al,
Wouldn't you want to know how *much* it is costing Stu or how *little* he
is making so you could send MORE money, to help out? I do so I can send
MORE, not less!

Continue to pile on all you like. Being informed of the approximate costs
(in time and $) would benefit everyone, least of all Stu, since listers
would know what it takes and could contribute MORE.

Keep em coming. Still loving this list and C's ;!

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This virtual C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us have
> escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.
>
> What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing fee
> to all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and any
> future fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it lacking.
>
> Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call Stu's
> List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We like
> that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it, we
> all feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is the
> "official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is "ours".
>
> Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative
> $$ and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done
> that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members
> cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs,
> engines, electrical and electronics.
>
> Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I
> believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like
> others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle
> or two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.
>
> Enough about this.  Send $$$.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We
>> do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group
>> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left
>> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google
>> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other
>> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they
>> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else
>> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home,
>> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to
>> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing
>> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession
>> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu
>> should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous
>> amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked
>> if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal
>> arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and use of
>> the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund
>> raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have expressed
>> gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's
>> are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous
>> work.
>>
>> Bill Bina
>>
>> On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my
>> perspective:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's
>> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is
>> a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think
>> one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by
>> many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.
>>
>> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would
>> evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does
>> not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or
>> version of the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be
>> sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they
>> labored over and executed so well.
>>
>>  Cloud storage is *storage*. That's all.
>>
>> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't
>> been provided.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
>>>
>>> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who
>>> are now 

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Couldn’t agree more with Bill’s comments.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
> wrote:


We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We do 
not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group hosted by 
Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left homeless. At that 
time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google really didn't exist then. 
The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other options, including staying 
with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they had dumped our archives. 
Having been burned badly by allowing someone else to host us, we were all very 
happy to have Stu provide us a stable home, where some outside bean-counter 
would never again have the option to exterminate us, and throw our content in 
the trash. Stu has done an amazing job all these years, and at one time 
mentioned that there was a succession plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is 
in any way a "business" for Stu should just go back out whatever door they came 
in. He has put an enormous amount of time and effort into keeping us together, 
and I would be shocked if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for 
him. Stu has formal arrangements for use of the official C material on his 
website and use of the logo for various items he occasionally makes available 
as modest fund raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have 
expressed gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old 
C's are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous 
work.

Bill Bina

On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:

Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my perspective:

Mike,

I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's property. 
This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a Community of people 
who share a common passion. I personally do not think one person should own, 
control, and profit? from the experiences shared by many, for free, in support 
of a brand of sailboats we all love.

God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate 
unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the 
intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of the 
actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money to Rob 
Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they labored over and executed 
so well.

 Cloud storage is storage. That's all.

I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't been 
provided.

Thank you.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:
This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.

I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who are now 
friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are friends  I 
have solved engine problems due to input from this list and learned that cows 
do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.

This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not stus. 
I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or sailed on 
and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list is so good 
because of Stu

I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico

Mike Hoyt
The most consistent not currently c poster
The biggest interloper
One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built

1987 non c
Persistence
Out of the water today
Halifax, ns
_

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October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
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All contributions are greatly appreciated!
___

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October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

This virtual C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us have
escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.

What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing fee
to all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and any
future fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it lacking.

Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call Stu's
List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We like
that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it, we
all feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is the
"official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is "ours".

Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative $$
and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done
that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members
cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs,
engines, electrical and electronics.

Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I
believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like
others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle
or two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.

Enough about this.  Send $$$.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We
> do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group
> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left
> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google
> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other
> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they
> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else
> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home,
> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to
> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing
> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession
> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu
> should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous
> amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked
> if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal
> arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and use of
> the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund
> raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have expressed
> gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's
> are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous
> work.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my
> perspective:
>
> Mike,
>
> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's
> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is
> a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think
> one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by
> many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.
>
> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would
> evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does
> not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or
> version of the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be
> sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they
> labored over and executed so well.
>
>  Cloud storage is *storage*. That's all.
>
> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't
> been provided.
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
>>
>> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who
>> are now friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are
>> friends  I have solved engine problems due to input from this list and
>> learned that cows do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.
>>
>> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not
>> stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or
>> sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list
>> is so good because of Stu
>>
>> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
>>
>> Mike Hoyt
>> The most consistent not currently c poster
>> The biggest interloper
>> One of 

Stus-List Stove

[Kyle Davis via CnC-List]

Hello everyone...new owner of a 1977 C 26. I have owned a Bayliner
sailboat and still have a Catalina 25. Really excited about this C, but
I’m working on where to install a stove. I’m located in Washington State
and coffee is a must. I mostly prepare food on a grill in the cockpit. So I
could use a single burner. Just looking for advice and ideas.

The boat has never had a name and I’m considering using my first grandson’s
name, Killian.
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Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I say “cheers” to that

Marek

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 13:54
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

The few dollars this list “costs”, and I used quotes because no one makes you 
pay anything, are by FAR the best money I spend on my boat. Older C support 
is GREAT and probably superior to ANY other brand. This list really makes an 
older C a better deal than an older brand X where you are on your own. If Stu 
makes enough profit to buy a bottle of rum I would be amazed, but if so I hope 
he enjoys it.
I run a website for my own yacht club 
(www.cryc.org)
 and a flying charity event 
(http://www.tangierhollyrun.com
 ) and it is a PITA keeping everything humming along.
I say raise a glass to Stu and go sailing ☺


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randy Stafford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

Kevin I don’t know what the exact numbers are, but I imagine these are the 
things Stu has to pay for to keep 
cncphotoalbum.com
 and Stu’s List running:
* domain name registration
* hosting provider fees to host a website and a mail list server
* email account fees for email addresses at the domain name
* perhaps internet service provider fees to access all of the above

The above is just a guess.  Yes there is storage space required.  I’d guess the 
email list archives constitute the bulk of what is stored (the static content 
on the website is probably small by comparison).  But storage space is not the 
only consideration, and probably not the biggest consideration.

All of the above is what Stu is paying for out of the kindness of his heart, 
for the good of this community.  I would like to see the website and mail list 
continue whenever Stu throws in the towel, and I am willing to help (I’m a 
software architect by profession, and have experience with technologies like 
these for communities like these).

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

On Oct 26, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my perspective:
Mike,
I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's property. 
This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a Community of people 
who share a common passion. I personally do not think one person should own, 
control, and profit? from the experiences shared by many, for free, in support 
of a brand of sailboats we all love.
God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate 
unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the 
intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of the 
actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money to Rob 
Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they labored over and executed 
so well.
 Cloud storage is storage. That's all.
I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't been 
provided.
Thank you.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:
This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.

I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who are now 
friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are friends  I 
have solved engine problems due to input from this list and learned that cows 
do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.

This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not stus. 
I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or sailed on 
and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list is so good 
because of Stu

I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Well said Bill and I’m a beancounter!

John

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We do 
> not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group hosted by 
> Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left homeless. At 
> that time, we had a long debate   about where to go. Google really 
> didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other options, 
> including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they had dumped 
> our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else to host us, 
> we were all very happy to have Stu   provide us a stable home, where 
> some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to exterminate 
> us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing job all these 
> years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession plan in place. 
> Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu should just go back 
> out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous amount of time and 
> effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked if the bottom line 
> has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal arrangements for use of 
> the official C material on his website and use of the logo for various 
> items he occasionally makes available as modest fund raisers. The founders 
> and principal players of the old C have expressed gratitude for Stu's 
> efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's are also more saleable, 
> and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous work. 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
>> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my 
>> perspective:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's 
>> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a 
>> Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think 
>> one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by 
>> many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love. 
>> 
>> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate 
>> unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the 
>> intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of 
>> the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money 
>> to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family,   etc. for the designs they 
>> labored over and executed so well. 
>> 
>>  Cloud storage is storage. That's all. 
>> 
>> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't 
>> been provided. 
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
>>> 
>>> I have met people through this list that I have later met in 
>>> person who are now friends. I have met people who I have never met in 
>>> person who are friends  I have solved engine problems due to input from 
>>> this list and learned that cows do better foredeck work than 
>>> me. I have learned a lot.
>>> 
>>> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud 
>>> makes it not stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and i 
>>> have owned or sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe strongly 
>>> that this list is so good because of Stu
>>> 
>>> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
>>> 
>>> Mike Hoyt
>>> The most consistent not currently c poster
>>> The biggest interloper
>>> One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built
>>> 
>>> 1987 non c
>>> Persistence
>>> Out of the water today
>>> Halifax, ns
>>> _
> 
> ___
> 
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
> October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
> contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
> --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
___

The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yeah, what Bill said.  Double!

Dennis C.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We
> do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group
> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left
> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google
> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other
> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they
> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else
> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home,
> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to
> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing
> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession
> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu
> should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous
> amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked
> if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal
> arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and use of
> the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund
> raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have expressed
> gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's
> are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous
> work.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my
> perspective:
>
> Mike,
>
> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's
> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is
> a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think
> one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by
> many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.
>
> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would
> evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does
> not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or
> version of the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be
> sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they
> labored over and executed so well.
>
>  Cloud storage is *storage*. That's all.
>
> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't
> been provided.
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
>>
>> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who
>> are now friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are
>> friends  I have solved engine problems due to input from this list and
>> learned that cows do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.
>>
>> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not
>> stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or
>> sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list
>> is so good because of Stu
>>
>> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
>>
>> Mike Hoyt
>> The most consistent not currently c poster
>> The biggest interloper
>> One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built
>>
>> 1987 non c
>> Persistence
>> Out of the water today
>> Halifax, ns
>> _
>>
>
>
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>
___

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October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The few dollars this list “costs”, and I used quotes because no one makes you 
pay anything, are by FAR the best money I spend on my boat. Older C support 
is GREAT and probably superior to ANY other brand. This list really makes an 
older C a better deal than an older brand X where you are on your own. If Stu 
makes enough profit to buy a bottle of rum I would be amazed, but if so I hope 
he enjoys it.
I run a website for my own yacht club (www.cryc.org) and a 
flying charity event (http://www.tangierhollyrun.com ) and it is a PITA keeping 
everything humming along.
I say raise a glass to Stu and go sailing ☺


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randy Stafford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

Kevin I don’t know what the exact numbers are, but I imagine these are the 
things Stu has to pay for to keep cncphotoalbum.com 
and Stu’s List running:
* domain name registration
* hosting provider fees to host a website and a mail list server
* email account fees for email addresses at the domain name
* perhaps internet service provider fees to access all of the above

The above is just a guess.  Yes there is storage space required.  I’d guess the 
email list archives constitute the bulk of what is stored (the static content 
on the website is probably small by comparison).  But storage space is not the 
only consideration, and probably not the biggest consideration.

All of the above is what Stu is paying for out of the kindness of his heart, 
for the good of this community.  I would like to see the website and mail list 
continue whenever Stu throws in the towel, and I am willing to help (I’m a 
software architect by profession, and have experience with technologies like 
these for communities like these).

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

On Oct 26, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my perspective:
Mike,
I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's property. 
This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a Community of people 
who share a common passion. I personally do not think one person should own, 
control, and profit? from the experiences shared by many, for free, in support 
of a brand of sailboats we all love.
God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate 
unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the 
intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of the 
actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money to Rob 
Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they labored over and executed 
so well.
 Cloud storage is storage. That's all.
I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't been 
provided.
Thank you.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:
This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.

I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who are now 
friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are friends  I 
have solved engine problems due to input from this list and learned that cows 
do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.

This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not stus. 
I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or sailed on 
and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list is so good 
because of Stu

I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico

Mike Hoyt
The most consistent not currently c poster
The biggest interloper
One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built

1987 non c
Persistence
Out of the water today
Halifax, ns

From: CnC-List 
[cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf 
of Stu via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: October 25, 2017 6:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stu
Subject: Stus-List Fundraising results

Thank you one and all for your contributions to pay for the costs
associated with this list and the Photo Album.

Some of the bills are in and others come later in the year and I don't
know if they have increased. You have made it possible that I will not be
digging into my pockets as much as other years.

I know Cloud Storage and other facilities are available and maybe at a
cheaper cost.  But there will be a lot lost if we change providers at this
time.  And the time required to rebuild would not be something I want to
do.

I cannot express my gratitude enough 

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Kevin I don’t know what the exact numbers are, but I imagine these are the 
things Stu has to pay for to keep cncphotoalbum.com  
and Stu’s List running:
* domain name registration
* hosting provider fees to host a website and a mail list server
* email account fees for email addresses at the domain name
* perhaps internet service provider fees to access all of the above

The above is just a guess.  Yes there is storage space required.  I’d guess the 
email list archives constitute the bulk of what is stored (the static content 
on the website is probably small by comparison).  But storage space is not the 
only consideration, and probably not the biggest consideration.

All of the above is what Stu is paying for out of the kindness of his heart, 
for the good of this community.  I would like to see the website and mail list 
continue whenever Stu throws in the towel, and I am willing to help (I’m a 
software architect by profession, and have experience with technologies like 
these for communities like these).

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my 
> perspective:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's 
> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a Community 
> of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think one person 
> should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by many, for 
> free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love. 
> 
> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate 
> unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the 
> intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of 
> the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money 
> to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they labored over and 
> executed so well. 
> 
>  Cloud storage is storage. That's all. 
> 
> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't been 
> provided. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  > wrote:
> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
> 
> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who are 
> now friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are friends 
>  I have solved engine problems due to input from this list and learned that 
> cows do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.
> 
> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not 
> stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or 
> sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list is 
> so good because of Stu
> 
> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
> 
> Mike Hoyt
> The most consistent not currently c poster
> The biggest interloper
> One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built
> 
> 1987 non c
> Persistence
> Out of the water today
> Halifax, ns
> 
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] on behalf of Stu via CnC-List 
> [cnc-list@cnc-list.com ]
> Sent: October 25, 2017 6:33 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Stu
> Subject: Stus-List Fundraising results
> 
> Thank you one and all for your contributions to pay for the costs
> associated with this list and the Photo Album.
> 
> Some of the bills are in and others come later in the year and I don't
> know if they have increased. You have made it possible that I will not be
> digging into my pockets as much as other years.
> 
> I know Cloud Storage and other facilities are available and maybe at a
> cheaper cost.  But there will be a lot lost if we change providers at this
> time.  And the time required to rebuild would not be something I want to
> do.
> 
> I cannot express my gratitude enough and I don't know how to say it other
> than "THANK YOU"
> 
> Stu
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
> October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
> contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
> --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
> 
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
> 
> ___
> 
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
> October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
> contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal 

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. 
We do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a 
group hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially 
left homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. 
Google really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a 
few other options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, 
even though they had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by 
allowing someone else to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu 
provide us a stable home, where some outside bean-counter would never 
again have the option to exterminate us, and throw our content in the 
trash. Stu has done an amazing job all these years, and at one time 
mentioned that there was a succession plan in place. Anyone who thinks 
this is in any way a "business" for Stu should just go back out whatever 
door they came in. He has put an enormous amount of time and effort into 
keeping us together, and I would be shocked if the bottom line has not 
been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal arrangements for use of 
the official C material on his website and use of the logo for various 
items he occasionally makes available as modest fund raisers. The 
founders and principal players of the old C have expressed gratitude 
for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's are also 
more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous work.


Bill Bina


On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:


Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my 
perspective:


Mike,

I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's 
property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is 
a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not 
think one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences 
shared by many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.


God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would 
evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu 
does not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own 
any part or version of the actual C brand to my knowledge. If 
anything we should be sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, 
etc. for the designs they labored over and executed so well.


 Cloud storage is /storage/. That's all.

I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer 
hasn't been provided.


Thank you.


On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:


This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.

I have met people through this list that I have later met in
person who are now friends. I have met people who I have never met
in person who are friends  I have solved engine problems due to
input from this list and learned that cows do better foredeck work
than me. I have learned a lot.

This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes
it not stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and
i have owned or sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe
strongly that this list is so good because of Stu

I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico

Mike Hoyt
The most consistent not currently c poster
The biggest interloper
One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built

1987 non c
Persistence
Out of the water today
Halifax, ns
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Stus-List '76 Landfall 42 Manual

[Gary Smith via CnC-List]

I see that the Landfall 42 Owners Manual is not listed on the
CnCPhotoAlbum,com site.

Anyone know where I can get one?

Thanks
Gary
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Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my
perspective:

Mike,

I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's
property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is
a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think
one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by
many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.

God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would
evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does
not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or
version of the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be
sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they
labored over and executed so well.

 Cloud storage is *storage*. That's all.

I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't
been provided.

Thank you.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
wrote:

> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
>
> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who
> are now friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are
> friends  I have solved engine problems due to input from this list and
> learned that cows do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.
>
> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not
> stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or
> sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list
> is so good because of Stu
>
> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
>
> Mike Hoyt
> The most consistent not currently c poster
> The biggest interloper
> One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built
>
> 1987 non c
> Persistence
> Out of the water today
> Halifax, ns
> 
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Stu via
> CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> Sent: October 25, 2017 6:33 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Stu
> Subject: Stus-List Fundraising results
>
> Thank you one and all for your contributions to pay for the costs
> associated with this list and the Photo Album.
>
> Some of the bills are in and others come later in the year and I don't
> know if they have increased. You have made it possible that I will not be
> digging into my pockets as much as other years.
>
> I know Cloud Storage and other facilities are available and maybe at a
> cheaper cost.  But there will be a lot lost if we change providers at this
> time.  And the time required to rebuild would not be something I want to
> do.
>
> I cannot express my gratitude enough and I don't know how to say it other
> than "THANK YOU"
>
> Stu
>
>
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
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Stus-List Future tech.

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

https://youtu.be/3Z8UPdFtkds

No idea of the cost, but kinda cool.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


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Re: Stus-List Support

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I've mailed him a check in past years. Send him an email off list:
s...@cncphotoalbum.com and ask for his address.  I have an address for him
in London, Ontario, but I don't know whether it's still current.

Alan Bergen

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:15 AM, Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Fellow Listers,
>
>
>
> Is there an alternative to financially contribute to the list without
> using PayPal.  They have been breached more than once and I won’t take the
> risk with that service.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C 32 FoxFire
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> ___
>
>
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
> October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
> contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
> --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
> 
>
>
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>
>
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://urldefense.proofpoint.
> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.paypal.me_stumurray=DwICAg=
> clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI=
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>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>


-- 
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List Support

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I use email transfer

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil E. 
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 10:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil E. Andersen
Subject: Stus-List Support

Fellow Listers,

Is there an alternative to financially contribute to the list without using 
PayPal.  They have been breached more than once and I won't take the risk with 
that service.

Neil
1982 C 32 FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List baby stay

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Rob,

 

I have one of those bendy masts with 3 spreaders and contemplated removing
the baby stay.  Rather than find out it was really needed at an inopportune
time, I installed a 4' PVC tube with a cap from a turnbuckle boot over the
stay.  The jib sheets are less likely to snag on the stay.  Better but not
perfect.

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List baby stay

 

My 1984 C 32 has a very robust mast.as was stated "more like an
aluminum telephone pole",  nevertheless Rob Ball decided to outfit the rig
with a baby stay and for that reason, it stays on the boat.  It is a PITA
when tacking but you get to know your boat and learn how to make efficient
tacks by back winding the genoa to avoid the sail catching on the baby stay.


I am confident that the boat would perform fine without the baby stay on
most day sails but since it is there, it will be attached and tensioned.
Maybe on these rigs, the baby stay helps to induce 'rake' on these otherwise
'aluminum telephone poles'.

There was another C 32 84 at our club whose owner took the baby stay off
completely and he didn't appear to have any issues with his rig.

If I had one of the C models with the bendy masts, 3 spreaders, etc. I
would definitely keep the baby stay tensioned.  We raced a 34R for several
years and I can assure you that boat benefited from a tensioned baby stay. 

So for me, if the boat designer thought a baby stay was needed, then I will
use it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S. 

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Stus-List Support

[Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List]

Fellow Listers,

 

Is there an alternative to financially contribute to the list without using
PayPal.  They have been breached more than once and I won't take the risk
with that service.

 

Neil

1982 C 32 FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

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Stus-List baby stay

[robert via CnC-List]

My 1984 C 32 has a very robust mast.as was stated "more like an 
aluminum telephone pole",  nevertheless Rob Ball decided to outfit the 
rig with a baby stay and for that reason, it stays on the boat.  It is a 
PITA when tacking but you get to know your boat and learn how to make 
efficient tacks by back winding the genoa to avoid the sail catching on 
the baby stay.


I am confident that the boat would perform fine without the baby stay on 
most day sails but since it is there, it will be attached and 
tensioned.  Maybe on these rigs, the baby stay helps to induce 'rake' on 
these otherwise 'aluminum telephone poles'.


There was another C 32 84 at our club whose owner took the baby stay 
off completely and he didn't appear to have any issues with his rig.


If I had one of the C models with the bendy masts, 3 spreaders, etc. I 
would definitely keep the baby stay tensioned.  We raced a 34R for 
several years and I can assure you that boat benefited from a tensioned 
baby stay.


So for me, if the boat designer thought a baby stay was needed, then I 
will use it.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-10-25 10:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List wrote:


I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the 
adjustable babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at 
the beginning of the season and then at some random time during the 
summer someone kicks the clutch, and eventually I discover that it 
isn't tensioned.


Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have 
and actively use the baby stay.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11
On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your 
baby stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis 
it necessary on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have 
not recently stayed in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 
'bendy' and absolutely requires it you might be able to 
"...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if your spreaders are not swept 
aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more like aluminum 
telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay 
notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively 
bendy mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO 
plans to ever take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the 
protected waters of the NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in 
tacking upwind and removing it for flying the kite, my sailmaker 
recommend it's removal, which I did and have never looked back. Now 
if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back on board for the 
SOLE reason of preventing mast pumping fore and aft--that is one 
gravity storm I prefer to miss!
Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use 
mandatory but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to 
stabilize mast pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing 
for pleasure in protected waters and  have never missed it (but the 
attachment below and rod as well as the rolled up stay are kept on 
board anyway!


FWIW

Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36XL/kcb
Water Phantom


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
> wrote:


My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is 
then attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in 
the v-berth area. I don't have a track on mine.


If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There 
is a lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the 
hole that's  left if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im 
not sure how much glass I would need to cut away to get to where any 
bracket or plate may be.


I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud 
welded together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?


Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while 
it's in the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough 
whatever I do.


Thanks,
Kevin


On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction
ring, and dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you
could DIY it. Would serve same function just as well. Don't have
time to get into it, but look around at what is possible since
probably would be done this way today on a new boat. Cheaper,
easier, better imo.

(my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to
water line in v berth.

2 cents

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List
> wrote:

Chuck, et al,

I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful
about assuming that the track 

Re: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Dave,

 

I’ve had my keel off and the baby stay stud is definitely not screwed into the 
keel, at least on a 35-3.  As far forward as the baby stay attachment is, it 
would miss the keel entirely.  I see a substantial backing plate of some sort 
that is bonded into the centerline of the hull.  This will most likely have to 
be ground out and replaced.  The repair looks pretty straight forward.  The 
work will be hidden by the cabin sole, so cosmetics aren’t an issue here.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA



 

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 08:26
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Godwin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

 

I have the same issue on “Ronin”. 

 

I’m 99.99% certain that the stud is not attached to the keel. It certainly 
isn’t on my model when I removed my keel. Were it attached to the keel there 
would be a series of list posts advising owners on how to unhook it. In my 20 
years on this list I haven’t seen any advice on that. 

 

I think that you are going to find that like my stud, it was simply glassed 
into the stringer. Easy to do in the build process but obviously not 
advantageous over time, especially in a damp environment and constant cyclic 
loads. 

 

I have a set of hand drawings from a rig designer buddy on building a “U” 
shaped stainless steel bridge that can be simply attached to either side of the 
stringer with plain old S.S. lag bolts. This is most likely the way that I will 
go when I put the mast back in the boat.

 

Good luck with your repair.

 

Best,

 

Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

Ronin’s Overdue Refit  

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Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

On our 34, we always keep tension on the baby stay even the on the mooring.  
More for heavier winds or seas and less for light airs and yes remove it for 
spinnaker work – keeps the foredeck from getting bored   J  Because there 
are only single lowers parallel to the shrouds, the mast does in fact pump a 
goodly amount.  Some other models may be more, some less, but there is pumping. 
 Just lie down on the deck and look up the mast when sailing to windward in a 
decent breeze with moderate chop.  On the 34, we are talking several inches.  
All that movement does have a significant impact on the shape of the main and a 
noticeable impact on speed.  The main is kept flatter and a more constant shape 
enhancing air flow.  The other issue is wear and tear on the rig, especially 
where the spreaders attach to the mast.  The spreaders are designed to move 
fore and aft a fair amount – so the plane of the shrouds stays constant while 
the mast pumps back and forth.  Just take the lee slack shrouds when sailing to 
windward and move them fore and aft.  That is the outboard end moving.  Now 
imagine the outboard end remaining stationary and the mast moving a similar 
amount.  Now imagine that movement when under load of the windward shrouds 
beating to windward.  I see that wear every time I unstep the mast and remove 
the spreaders.  There  is a reason why so many designs over many centuries used 
for and aft lowers – to minimize pumping.  Can’t speak to the integrity of the 
rig of pumping and certainly that is a function of how bendy the mast is.  Just 
feel that minimizing pumping cannot hurt, probably prevents cyclical loading, 
know it enhances performance and the baby stay allows adjustments in real time. 
 Yes, can be a PITA at times, but like most things is a trade off.  

 

My 2 cents American

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Persuasion37 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:44 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Persuasion37
Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

 

Ditto

Mike

PERSUASION

C 37 K/CB

Long Sault


On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List  
wrote:

I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of the 
season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the clutch, 
and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.  

Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
actively use the baby stay.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:

Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby stay 
to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary on your 
boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed in a 
Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely requires it 
you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if your spreaders are 
not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more like aluminum 
telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay notwithstanding. 
My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively bendy mast. The spreaders 
are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans to ever take her seriously 
off-shore and I sail/race in the protected waters of the NC sounds and the PITA 
the baby stay is in tacking upwind and removing it for flying the kite, my 
sailmaker recommend it's removal, which I did and have never looked back. Now 
if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back on board for the SOLE reason 
of preventing mast pumping fore and aft--that is one gravity storm I prefer to 
miss!

Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use mandatory but 
in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize mast pumping fore 
and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in protected waters and  
have never missed it (but the attachment below and rod as well as the rolled up 
stay are kept on board anyway!

 

FWIW

 

Charlie Nelson

1995 C 36XL/kcb

Water Phantom

 


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List  
wrote:

My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then 
attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth 
area. I don't have a track on mine.

If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a lot of 
fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's  left if there 
really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much glass I would need to 
cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be. 

I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded 
together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and 

Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

I haven't used mine since we bought it 3-4 years ago. But my wife and I are
thinking of selling and upgrading, so I'm concerned about resale value if I
don't get it fixed first.


Kevin Paxton
'82 34 #473
Japhys Spirit
Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:44 AM Persuasion37 via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ditto
>
> Mike
> PERSUASION
> C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
>
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the
> adjustable babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the
> beginning of the season and then at some random time during the summer
> someone kicks the clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't
> tensioned.
>
> Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and
> actively use the baby stay.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby
> stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary
> on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed
> in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely
> requires it you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if
> your spreaders are not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more
> like aluminum telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby
> stay notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively
> bendy mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans
> to ever take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the protected
> waters of the NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in tacking upwind and
> removing it for flying the kite, my sailmaker recommend it's removal, which
> I did and have never looked back. Now if I planned to go offshore, I would
> put it back on board for the SOLE reason of preventing mast pumping fore
> and aft--that is one gravity storm I prefer to miss!
> Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use
> mandatory but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize
> mast pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in
> protected waters and  have never missed it (but the attachment below and
> rod as well as the rolled up stay are kept on board anyway!
>
> FWIW
>
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then
> attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth
> area. I don't have a track on mine.
>
> If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a
> lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's
> left if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much
> glass I would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.
>
> I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded
> together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?
>
> Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's
> in the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring,
>> and dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it.
>> Would serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but
>> look around at what is possible since probably would be done this way today
>> on a new boat. Cheaper, easier, better imo.
>>
>> (my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water
>> line in v berth.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck, et al,
>>>
>>> I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about
>>> assuming that the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At
>>> least that is my take-away from your description of it being “far in front
>>> of the keel” means.
>>>
>>> With  the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate
>>> that the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging…) is attached to. The rod
>>> descends directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads (perpendicular to
>>> the waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the central stringer. The
>>> load is not carried forward but rather resides at the rear of the traveler
>>> track.
>>>
>>> Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica. As
>>> I recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.
>>>
>>> Also, I’ll reiterate, the 

Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Ditto

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
> babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of 
> the season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the 
> clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.  
> Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
> actively use the baby stay.
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>> On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
>> Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby 
>> stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary 
>> on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed 
>> in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely 
>> requires it you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if 
>> your spreaders are not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more 
>> like aluminum telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay 
>> notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively bendy 
>> mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans to ever 
>> take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the protected waters of the 
>> NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in tacking upwind and removing it 
>> for flying the kite, my sailmaker recommend it's removal, which I did and 
>> have never looked back. Now if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back 
>> on board for the SOLE reason of preventing mast pumping fore and aft--that 
>> is one gravity storm I prefer to miss!
>> Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use mandatory 
>> but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize mast 
>> pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in 
>> protected waters and  have never missed it (but the attachment below and rod 
>> as well as the rolled up stay are kept on board anyway!
>> 
>> FWIW
>> 
>> Charlie Nelson
>> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
>> Water Phantom
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then 
>>> attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth 
>>> area. I don't have a track on mine.
>>> 
>>> If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a 
>>> lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's  
>>> left if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much 
>>> glass I would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.
>>> 
>>> I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded 
>>> together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?
>>> 
>>> Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's in 
>>> the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kevin
>>> 
 On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, and 
 dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it. Would 
 serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but look 
 around at what is possible since probably would be done this way today on 
 a new boat. Cheaper, easier, better imo. 
 
 (my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water line 
 in v berth.
 
 2 cents
 
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Chuck, et al,
> 
> I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about 
> assuming that the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At 
> least that is my take-away from your description of it being “far in 
> front of the keel” means.
> 
> With  the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate 
> that the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging…) is attached to. The 
> rod descends directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads 
> (perpendicular to the waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the 
> central stringer. The load is not carried forward but rather resides at 
> the rear of the traveler track.
> 
> Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica. As 
> I recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.
> 
> Also, I’ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull. Repairs to 
> this can be easily be made while the boat is in the water.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Best,
>