[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #1

1999-08-15 Thread ric carter

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# Smoke Screen. Will the easy availability of drugs on the Internet make
  U.S. drug policy obsolete? Order hashish online, no hassle, no wait:
  http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/07.22.99/cover/marijuana-9929.html

: What are your favorite drugs? Do they interfere with your alien implants?
Can Reptilioids metabolize cannabis? Do they go nutz? Are they entertaining?
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# Dagestan rebels hit hard. (BBC) Islamic separatists fighting in Dagestan
  are appealing for reinforcements following the launch of a major Russian
  offensive to drive them out, Moscow says. But what is Dagestan worth?
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_419000/419838.stm

: What religio/politico/economic movement would you like to crush? How? Do
you like sacrificing rebels? Do your alien masters approve, devour, sleep?
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# Make-Believe Mars. Scientists and engineers are hard at work on a manned
  mission to Mars, starting with a simulated space station in the Canadian
  Arctic. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/07.29.99/mars-9930.html

: What planet do you most like to simulate? When are you going there? How??
Where can you simulate your target planet? What equipment do you need? Why?
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# Apocalypse  Geist Force Conspiracy Theory!  (GameFan) Could this UFO be
  a hint that the project formerly known as Geist Force is back on track?
  http://www.gamefan.com:80/hotinfo.asp?s=2177rs=0

: What's your favorite apocalypse? Is it a game? Is it real? How d'ya know?
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# Kids  Guns - How the NRA and gun manufacturers are targeting your kid.
  http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/07.29.99/guns-9930.html

# Understanding Gun Violence: Join Together Online, a project of the Boston
  University of Public Health, provides community resources for those trying
  to make sense out school shootings. Or you could sell guns to kids and sit
  back, watch the blood pour out: http://www.jointogether.org/

: Do you provide weapons training? Is it rewarding? Does you implant buzz??
How many humans do you want to kill? How many do your alien masters demand?
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@ Orb Data  Passaic County. In Response To: Why I warn people, myself.
  (Jack A. Shulman) A guy named "Jack" (website http://www.accpc.com)
  writes: "This forum [ http://byamerican.com/cgi-bin/ast/config.cgi ]
  [...It's] a serious look at whether or not we can legitimate the claims
  of people [...] that humanity is being observed and/or visited by Aliens
  of some kind."  http://www.orbsite.com/

: Have you been observed/visited by Aliens lately? Have you observed/visited
any Aliens lately? Were you or the aliens repulsed by your experiences? How?
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# The Messiah Mosh. Bay Area punks fire up their angst for Christ.
  http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sfmetro/06.21.99/punkgod1-9923.html
  Plus, where to find Christian punk bands in Sonoma County CA USA:
  http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/07.08.99/godrock2-9927.html

: What's your favorite loud, obnoxious, disconcerting religious music? D'ya
promulgate it everywhere? Do some go Satanic in response? Is that your goal?
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# Inside the Helidon religious cult. THE Magnificat Meal Movement fears an
  explosive birthday celebration next month with their leader likening them
  to the Branch Davidian cult in Waco TX. Movement leader Debra Geileskey
  said she identified with the Branch Davidians, who died in a fire and
  shootout with American authorities six years ago. But then she ritually
  sacrifices kangaroos. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/state/4302579.htm

# SWAT Nation. In the post-Columbine hysteria, even the tiny town of Windsor
  CA has voted to arm its police with assault weapons. Where's it all going
  to lead? http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/07.01.99/swat1-9926.html

: Does your belief system promote weaponry? Will your believers do suicide
soon? Will you commit mass murder? Who would you like to kill? Who else??
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Re: [CTRL] The 10th Amendment (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread Dave

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What is the NUMBER of this Executive Order?

An EO MUST be PUBLISHED in order for it to go into effect.

Let's see it?


Dave Hartley
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  New Executive Order On
  Federalism - Latest Assault
  On The Constitution
   Comment
   By Brad Bernards [EMAIL PROTECTED]




 Amending the 10th Amendment

 -August 10, 1999-

 On August 5, President Clinton signed an Executive Order on
 Federalism, the division of power between Washington, D.C.
and
 the States. The President claims Constitutional authority
to turn our
 Constitution on it's head. This executive order, which I
have read,
 seeks to guarantee the division of governmental
responsibilities
 intended by the Framers of the Constitution. The Tenth
Amendment
 to the Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights, does not
need to be
 clarified. I have quoted the Constitution before and I
proudly do it
 again: "The powers not delegated to the United States by
the
 Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are
reserved to the
 States respectively, or to the people." That's the tenth
amendment,
 and any attempt by President Clinton to improve on it will
most
 certainly not be to the benefit of the states or the
people.

 This is an outright attempt by the federal government to
take from
 us power we have yet to claim but, nonetheless, is still
ours under
 the Constitution. The Constitution enumerates the powers of
the
 federal government - they are finite and limited
intentionally. The
 President, through each and every agency, would like to
impose
 federal rules and regulations absorbing powers that are, as
of yet,
 unclaimed by the states. The previous attempt to steal away
our
 power last year in Executive Order 13083 was met with much
 opposition after it was exposed. He had created the
document
 without the input of those affected. It was later
suspended, and now
 revoked as this EO replaces it. Amending the Constitution
takes the
 congress and all 50 States but the President may do it,
unnoticed,
 through an Executive Order

 The document is clever because it now has the input of
many,
 although we don't know specifically who, and on the surface
 appears quite benign. The AP reports that state and local
officials
 appear satisfied with the rewritten order. The language of
this
 Executive Order is indeed deferential to the states. The
document
 reads well until you discover that all the input gathered
from state
 and local government, the consulting with state and local
officials on
 developing standards and the opportunity for participation
in
 rulemaking proceedings is just that much talk. I see
nowhere in the
 document that any input be digested at all. Federal
agencies will be
 able to do what they want provided they follow the
prescribed
 method which is not much more than whoops to placate the
 intergovernmental organizations concerned. The federal
government
 can and will put into force any rule they want with or
without the
 approval of anyone.

 The White House's own press release says: "...the Order
makes
 clear that federal action is appropriate in the presence of
a problem
 of national scope or significance." This statement by
itself admits
 that the Executive Branch can make anything their business
and
 have an agency create federal rules to govern it. At a time
when we
 need to pare back the federal government, they seem intent
on
 grabbing any remaining power not nailed down by claim of
the states
 or the people.

 The United States Constitution is a magnificent document
and
 Clinton would do best to read it and follow it. Instead,
he's going to
 fix it. He calls it strengthening the partnership. He 

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1999-08-15 Thread piper

one of the sites that was a eye opener for me.
figured out why Mark Twain is not widely read,
and it is not because of the supposedly black prejudice!
piper
http://www.boondocksnet.com/

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The true test is to give a person power.
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Re: [CTRL] The 10th Amendment (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  New Executive Order On Federalism - Latest Assault On The Constitution
   Comment
   By Brad Bernards [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Amending the 10th Amendment

 -August 10, 1999-

 On August 5, President Clinton signed an Executive Order on Federalism, the
division of power between Washington, D.C. and the States. The President
claims Constitutional authority to turn our Constitution on it's head. This
executive order, which I have read, seeks to guarantee the division of
governmental responsibilities intended by the Framers of the Constitution.
The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights, does not
need to be clarified. I have quoted the Constitution before and I proudly do
it again: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people." That's the tenth amendment, and any attempt by President
Clinton to improve on it will most certainly not be to the benefit of the
states or the people.  This is an outright attempt by the federal government
to take from us power we have yet to claim but, nonetheless, is still ours
under the Constitution. The Constitution enumerates the powers of the federal
government - they are finite and limited intentionally. The President,
through each and every agency, would like to impose federal rules and
regulations absorbing powers that are, as of yet, unclaimed by the states.
The previous attempt to steal away our power last year in Executive Order
13083 was met with much opposition after it was exposed. He had created the
document without the input of those affected. It was later suspended, and now
revoked as this EO replaces it. Amending the Constitution takes the congress
and all 50 States but the President may do it, unnoticed, through an
Executive Order  The document is clever because it now has the input of many,
although we don't know specifically who, and on the surface appears quite
benign. The AP reports that state and local officials appear satisfied with
the rewritten order. The language of this Executive Order is indeed
deferential to the states. The document reads well until you discover that
all the input gathered from state and local government, the consulting with
state and local officials on developing standards and the opportunity for
participation in rulemaking proceedings is just that much talk. I see nowhere
in the document that any input be digested at all. Federal agencies will be
able to do what they want provided they follow the prescribed method which is
not much more than whoops to placate the intergovernmental organizations
concerned. The federal government can and will put into force any rule they
want with or without the approval of anyone.  The White House's own press
release says: "...the Order makes clear that federal action is appropriate in
the presence of a problem of national scope or significance." This statement
by itself admits that the Executive Branch can make anything their business
and have an agency create federal rules to govern it. At a time when we need
to pare back the federal government, they seem intent on grabbing any
remaining power not nailed down by claim of the states or the people.  The
United States Constitution is a magnificent document and Clinton would do
best to read it and follow it. Instead, he's going to fix it. He calls it
strengthening the partnership. He says that the Federal government and State
and local governments should work together as partners. He wants to be my
partner and my State's partner for the simple reason that we have something
that he wants - power. After all, he didn't sign an Executive Order promising
to limit the reach of the federal government. This will make government
bigger. It will compromise our individual rights to the powers reserved to us
by the Constitution and will compromise the sovereignty of every state in
this union.  You have to remember who wrote this Executive Order. The word
"is" appears 24 times. This is a man who will trick you with verb tenses. He
has proven that he will make a statement that says the exact opposite of what
he means. Now, he has made a statement that implies he is protecting the
Constitution. It is the work of smarter people than me to take his words
apart - to dissect the 7 pages of this order to see if it looks anything like
the 28 words of the tenth amendment.  We have 90 days from August fifth until
this Order takes effect. It's going to be harder this time around to expose
this Clinton Lie now that he has received input from those affected. So far,
I have no hope the major media will jump on this without pressure. It's our
power he wants, so it's our responsibility to stop him.

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[CTRL] Robertson Unfairly Smeared

1999-08-15 Thread Aol user

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Skeptic News Saturday #l printed a story "Pat Robertson suggests stoning for
UFO believers".

Here is exactly what was printed at
www.ufomind.com/misc/1997/aug/d19-002.shtml
I have underlined/boldened/italicized certain parts fyi. and inserted between
*** personal comments***.

You can see that Robertson, who I don't myself particularly care for, was
smeared.  It is the author, Bob Shell, who is the one attributing such
stupidity to Robertson.  Please ask yourselves why.  Even though the target
this time was a religious leader, what when the target is political?
intellectual?  Thanks for the forum.  Terry



[Editor's note: This report is unverified. Treat with caution. -GC]

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:09:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Pat Robertson says kill all UFO believers
From: "A.J. Craddock" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

From:   BOB SHELL, [76750,2717]
TO: Steven M. Greer, MD, [103275,1472]
DATE:   8/19/97 9:36 AM

RE: Pat Robertson says kill all UFO believers

The following was posted on UFO Updates and, frankly, scares
the hell out of me.

I once worked for this slime ball Robertson for a short time, and I know
how religious he really is.  All he cares about is money, and he will say
anything that keeps it rolling in.

I should point out that any television which broadcasts programs like this
advocating killing and/or violence is in violation of FCC regulations and
can have its charter revoked if people complain.

I think it's time to write some letters to Washington, folks.

Bob

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FREEDOM WRITER PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 28, 1997
CONTACT: Skipp Porteous (413) 528-3800

Robertson advocates stoning for UFO enthusiasts


Great Barrington, MA -- In a recent pronouncement, television evangelist
and head of the Christian Coalition, Pat Robertson, advocated death by
stoning for UFO enthusiasts.

Freedom Writer magazine, in its July/August issue, mailed today,
disclosed Robertson's statement. Freedom Writer is published by the
Institute for First Amendment Studies, a group that monitors the right.

Robertson used the news of the July 4th Mars landing to promote his
extreme beliefs. A segment on the July 8, 1997 broadcast of The 700 Club
featured news of the Mars Pathfinder mission. Employing the historical
event as a starting point, the program delved into the possibility of
the existence of UFOs and space aliens.

While Robertson viewed the space program with suspicion, on a more
serious note, he launched into a diatribe against those who entertain
the existence of space aliens and UFOs. He said, in a rambling
discourse, that if such things exist, they are simply demons trying to
lead people away from Christ. According to Robertson, the threat is so
serious that people who believe in space aliens should be put to death
by stoning -- according to "God's word."

"The Bible says the Earth belongs to man, but the heavens belong to the
Lord," Robertson said.

"He has given us the Earth. He also warned, way back when Moses was
writing down not only what is the Ten Commandments, but Deuteronomy,
which is almost the Second Law.

"Here is what he said to the children of Israel about this whole matter:

"'If there is found among you, within any of your gates which the Lord
your God gives you, a man or a woman who has been wicked in the sight of
the Lord your God, in transgressing His covenant, who has gone and
served other gods and worshipped them, either the sun or moon or any of
the hosts of heaven which I have not commanded you, and you hear of it,
then you shall inquire diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain
that such an abomination has been committed in Israel, then you shall
bring out to your gates that man or woman who has committed that wicked
thing, and stone to death that man or woman with stones.'" (Deuteronomy
17:2-5, NKJV)

"Now, that's what Moses said to the children of Israel about those who
worship the sun and the moon and the hosts of heaven, because these
things, at best, are lifeless nothings, or, if they are intelligent,
they're demonic. And, yes, there is a host of heaven. There are angels
and there are fallen angels. There is no question about it."

"Can a demon appear as a slanty-eyed, funny-looking creature? Of course
he can, or it can. Of course they can deceive people. And if they can
lead somebody away from the true God, or away from Jesus Christ, anyway
it happens, it doesn't matter, you will lose your salvation. It doesn't
matter how they get you. The question is, did they get you, and under
what guise?

"This is man in rebellion against God, who refuses to take God's Law.
And God says, 'My covenant says you won't do this. And if I find anybody
in Israel,'-- "which is his pure nation" -- 'If I find anybody in Israel
that's doing this sort of thing, then I want you to take him out and
dispose of him."


* There is more than likely more speech here, I doubt Robertson went from
the above sentence to the 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #2

1999-08-15 Thread ric carter

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# PLUTONIUM-POWERED SPACECRAFT TO ZOOM BY EARTH ON WAY TO SATURN. A 2-story,
  $3.4 billion spacecraft loaded with of deadly plutonium will zoom within
  725 miles of Earth this week to gain momentum for the final leg of its
  meandering, seven-year voyage to Saturn. Cassini's return, two years after
  NASA launched the largest and most expensive unmanned spacecraft ever,
  poses virtually no risk, mission officials say. Closest point over South
  Pacific: http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9908/15/cassini.spacecraft.01.ap/

: Will Cassini bash into Earth, spreading a biosphere-killing load of Pu238?
Is http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/cassini/rtg/power.htm all a lie? Are you ready to
die? Is it The End? Is your will made out? Did you bother with a will? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Fans Celebrate Elvis Week. MEMPHIS, Tenn. (Reuters) In Memphis some locals
  call it "Dead Elvis Week," and it was in full swing once again as zillions
  of Elvis Presley fans poured into town to mark the 22nd anniversary of the
  rock and roll king's death. Presley was found dead Aug.16 1977 at Grace-
  land, the white-columned southern mansion that is the focal point for the
  celebration. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990815/00/news-people-elvis

: Is Elvis really dead? Or was he abducted by Grays, imprisoned by fascists,
elevated to a higher dimension, morphed into a salamander, or lost in space?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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  when the female is allowed to choose her mate - in the mallard duck
  family, anyway. But it makes sense, doesn't it? Or does it?
  http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14239

# WOMEN CLUELESS ABOUT THEIR SEXUAL AGGRESSION. According to this new study,
  women engage in aggressive sexual behaviors that are usually associated
  with men - but when asked about it, they don't own up to it. Why bother?
  http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14242

: Are choice  aggression two sides of the same coin? Are you an aggressive
female mallard? Who do you choose? Are you candid about your behavior? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# China Blasts US Over Dalai Lama Visit. BEIJING (Reuters) China accused the
  United States of meddling in its internal affairs after a State Dept wonk
  met the Dalai Lama in New York, Tibet's exiled spiritual leader. Played
  poker: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990814/06/international-china-tibet

: Whose internal affairs would you most like to meddle with? Who's your fave
spiritual leader? Do you bankroll any spiritual leaders? Are spiritual lead-
ers useful propaganda purveyors? Are they controlled by humans, Reptilioids,
deities, demons, robots? Are spiritual leaders honest? Do they stay bought?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Psychiatrist Legally Amasses Huge Gun Arsenal. (Reuters) - A Philadelphia
  psychiatrist, reportedly legally blind, legally amassed an arsenal of 287
  assault rifles, shotguns  pistols plus 50,000 rounds of ammo, valued at
  $300,000. Cops seized the firepower from Dr. John Ingui's two apartments
  in an upscale city high-rise but later declared the collection to be quite
  legal. Among the collection the psychiatrist is now expected to get back
  are 61 assault rifles, including 29 AK-47s, and 150 semiautomatic pistols,
  including a number of powerful Desert Eagle handguns. Just hunting mice
  and pigeons: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990814/10/news-guns-arsenal

: Should all blind psychiatrists be well-armed? Do pshrinks need protection
from disgruntled patients? How many AK-47s do you need? Are you prudent???
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  from the cyberworld: an aspirin-size computer that, embedded in household
  appliances, could let people on the road or at the office use the Net to
  cool their homes, heat coffee  tape TV shows. Thought to be the smallest
  such computer ever built, the inexpensive device could help usher in a
  new generation of connected home appliances, from VCRs to coffee makers to
  small cameras, controlled over the Internet from almost anywhere. Costs
  just 49 cents: http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9908/14/tiny.computer.ap/

: What appliances would you like to control? What appliances would like to
control you? When will everything be enmeshed in a huge seamless web? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Shootings Latest In Crimes Tied To Separatists. SEATTLE (Reuters)  The Los
  Angeles shootings that left one person dead  five wounded were the latest
  in a string of racist attacks tied to a movement that dreams of creating a
  whites-only nation 

[CTRL] Fw: Re: [SC] Re: Kansas Board of Education vote on Evolution

1999-08-15 Thread Ric Carter

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 Subject: Re: [SC] Re: Kansas Board of Education vote on Evolution

delurk

In a message dated 99-08-13 17:15:07 EDT, you write:

Apes - monkeys, same thing.  Why is it that the people who support this
theory can never explain why there are still "apes" as well as humans?

You obviously never talked to me.

The evolution of a new species does not mean that the basic stock
either goes existence, or that there must only be one descendent
branch.  Consider that wolves, dogs and foxes descend from a common
ancestor, but the rise of one to fill an ecological niche doesn't
mean that the others must go extinct.

Humans and apes descended from a common ancestor.  The rise of humans
does not mean that apes must have been replaced.

You could extend this nonsense argument to ask why there are still
fish when amphibians exist, or why are there still amphibians when
there are reptiles, or why there are still reptiles when there are
mammals, or why there are still dinosaurs when there are birds, uh,
strike that last one :-).

That is my point, evolution is only a theory, not fact, same as
creationism, so why not present both theories and let the student use
his/her mind and decide for themselves rather than be brainwashed by
lack of "scientific" evidence.  Calling a theory "scientific evidence"
is disinformation ... it is not viable, it is not "observed evidence."
How can one observe evolution?

Gravity is "just a theory".

If you believe that there is no evidence for evolution, you have
either never seriously look for evidence, or are being willfully
ignorant.

Evolution was made up as a theory because the scientists had no
explaination as to how everything came into existence, they just pulled
it out of their ass.

You seem to have a skewed idea of what a "theory" is.  A theory is
not shorthand for just any random idea.

Evolution was not just "pulled out of scientist's asses."  Evolution
has a lot of data behind it.  It comes in all forms and ranges from
fossils to astrophysics to geology to microbiology.  We can even look
at agriculture to see a form of human-directed evolution of food
crops and animal breeding.

The government gives creedence to pedofiles.  NAMBLA (North American Man
Boy Love Association) has been given a charter by the government.  Adults
taking advantage of children in a sexual way is perversion.  These children
have rights, the right to not be molested by adults.

Please post a copy of this alleged "government charter" for NAMBLA.
At least post information on what governmental agency issued this
charter.

As for what this has to do with evolution vs. creation, I can't see.
It seems to me just a typical "muddy the water" nonsense argument by
someone who just doesn't have any facts on their side of the argument.

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1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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Today's Lesson From Balzac: a Biography

by Graham Robb


While the Government troops were quelling the riot in Paris, Balzac left
for Touraine, hoping that his rebellious mind would settle down in
Sache. His mental health had become an object of concern and morbid
amusement to other people, and he wanted to give a 'glorious rebuttal'
to the gossips who said he was sliding into madness. The rebuttal was to
take the form of a novel eventually entitled Louis Lambert: it tells the
story of a genius who transcends the normal plane of reality and goes
spectacularly insane. It was typical of Balzac to douse a fire with
petrol. Ignoring his own precept that to serve up one's life to the
public was proof of a weak imagination and worse than prostitution, he
poured his own minutely remembered childhood into the novel: the College
de Vendome, its quirky assortment of teachers, its monastic regime, its
pigeons, its smell, his fellow suffers. The narrator, who identifies
himself as the author of La Peau de Chagrin, is supposed to be the best
friend of the ill-fated boy genius, Lambert. Balzac must have believed
he was dispelling the rumours. In the manuscript, he refers to his own
undignified departure from Vendome: "My parents, alarmed at my mental
state . . . removed me from the school and sent me to Paris." The
allusion to his mysterious breakdown was wisely modified; and yet the
novel itself, ending as it does with the orphic utterances of a man in a
cataleptic trance--the "Thoughts" of Louis Lambert--was unlikely to be
read as the work of an entirely rational being. No great critical acumen
was required to see the narrator and the lunatic as two parts of the
same personality. Once again, Balzac's writing was working out its own
plans in defiance of the author.
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Russian Follies

Islamic Rebels Challenge Russia in Dagestan

The Russia empire continues to crack

FOUR Russian paratroopers were killed and 13 wounded in a seven-hour
clash with Islamic rebels early yesterday in Russia's troubled region of
Dagestan.
The Kremlin is facing the biggest challenge to its authority over the
Caucasus Mountains since the ill-fated Chechnya war. It also fears the
trouble could rapidly spread to neighbouring republics, threatening the
unity of the Russian federation.

Reinforcements, including elite riot troop units and engineering
brigades backed by helicopter gunships, are continuing to pour into
Dagestan, prompting Russian newspapers to suggest that the federal
forces are gearing up for protracted, large-scale combat.

Russian military commanders have said they need up to two weeks to drive
out the Islamic rebels from the predominantly Muslim region on the
Caspian Sea, but military and political observers point to the Russians'
failure to re-establish control over Chechnya after a two-year war that
ended in abject failure in 1996.

Vladimir Putin, nominated by President Yeltsin as Russia's new Prime
Minister, has said that the campaign could be carried into Chechnya,
from where the rebels are believed to have penetrated into Dagestan
eight days ago. It was the strongest indication yet that the uprising in
Dagestan could lead to a wider war, including a fresh invasion of
Chechnya.

Many of the rebels belong to the fundamentalist Wahhabi sect and are
seeking an independent Islamic republic in the mainly Muslim regions of
the Caucasus Mountains. Russia is planning a large-scale operation in
Dagestan today, said Vyacheslav Ovchinnikov, the commander-in-chief of
the Russian Interior Ministry troops.

Its success could be critical to the fate, not just of a few remote
mountain passes but of the whole North Caucasus. The tenacity with which
the rebels have defended the territory under their control and their
brazen declaration of independence have confronted the Kremlin with the
threat of a "domino effect" expelling Moscow from its own backyard.

If unchecked, the contagion will spread from the hills of Dagestan down
into the valleys and towards the Caspian Sea and, in the other
direction, deep into the Caucasus's interior and up into the Russian
heartland. Already, after only a week of combat, images of the battle
currently raging in Dagestan bear an uncanny resemblance to those of the
Russian military's worst ever humiliation and agony in Chechnya.

Bearded rebels pose nonchalantly for the cameras in newly occupied
villages, mocking Moscow's predictions of imminent and devastating
victory over the enemy. Helicopter gunships and aircraft blast guerrilla
positions with rockets that leave a trail of flames in the sky.

A rabble-like force of Russian soldiers tries to negotiate mountain
passes in armoured personnel carriers, sitting targets for the rebels.
The most shocking images are of a Russian helicopter in flames at an

[CTRL] Systems Thinking Judicial Failure

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.32/pageone.html
A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.32/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 32/A
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Laissez Faire City Times
Aug 16, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 32
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Systems Thinking  Judicial Failure

by James Wright


This is the Court of Chancery; which has its decaying houses and its
blighted lands in every shire; which has its worn-out lunatic in every
madhouse, and its dead in every churchyard; which has its ruined suitor,
with his slipshod heels and threadbare dress, borrowing and begging
through the round of every man’s acquaintance; which gives to monied
might, the means abundantly of wearying out the right; which so exhausts
finances, patience, courage, hope; so overthrows the brain and breaks
the heart; that there is not an honorable man among its practitioners
who would not give - who does not often give - the warning, "Suffer any
wrong that can be done you, rather than come here!"
—Charles Dickens, Bleak House

The founding fathers had no opportunity to read Dickens, who was born in
1812, or they might have reconsidered modeling the United States
judicial system after the English. Things haven’t improved since
Dickens’ time.

What appear to be the root causes of failure in the court system?
Laissez Faire City Times readers can probably supply more, but I am
aware of the following:

1) The perception that money wins over justice or truth, as Dickens
protests in the quote above.

2) The perception that the legal system is far removed from any
understanding of our lives, our needs or our concerns.

3) The perception that lawyers and judges live lives of privilege, power
and influence beyond any reason or necessity.

4) The perception that the courts are overcrowded; it can take years to
obtain process in any case.

5) The perception that the laws are made and interpreted without regard
for logic, physical reality or common sense.

This should be enough to supply grounds for discussion.

Every system is perfectly designed, carefully maintained and precisely
operated to give you exactly what you get. Where does this lead, in
relation to the judiciary?

If "money talks" in the judicial system, then a system change will be
necessary to reduce its influence. (I am not about to suggest you can
remove the influence of money totally from just any capitalist system,
but it could make sense here.) How might this be accomplished?

How about this: The principals (NOT the lawyers) MUST argue the case
before the judge and/or jury. You can hire all the legal talent you can
afford, but if you’re doing the suing (or being sued), you must stand up
and argue the case. Your lawyers can coach, recommend, type up lists of
questions for you to ask and answers to give the other side, but you
 have to do the speaking. This naturally reduces the role of the lawyer
to advisory status, but (as is true currently), they have literally
nothing to lose: YOU will pay the fine, do the jail time or hang, so you
should be responsible for delivering your case. This will change a lot
of courtroom dynamics, and restore the people involved to their logical
place in the proceedings.

The first objection I get when I propose this in conversation is that
there are those who are incapable of defending themselves, whether
because of mental, emotional or personality deficiency. My response is
this: if you cannot stand up and tell your side of the story before a
group of adults and accept the consequences, then you are a minor. You
deserve all the protection of the law; but if you ever accept "appointed
counsel", then you must give up driving, voting, drinking alcohol and
any other "privilege" accorded an adult in American society.

The second objection is that the corporations will have an overwhelming
advantage over the individual. This denies the dynamic of juries
favoring "the little guy" over the "big business", but I have a
suggestion for that also. Make the head of the business present his
company’s case. If he’s a lawyer, then the highest-ranking non-lawyer
presents the case. The corollary for both individuals and corporations
is that anyone you select can SETTLE your case for you; only you can
ARGUE it.

Nightmares and Nuisances

What a nightmare! How can this work?

Suppose you’re the head of GE, a fairly large company. If someone sues
you, you have two choices: settle it out of court (negotiate), or press
the case yourself. My guess is that upwards of 75 percent of the cases
involving company vs. individual will settle out of court, since the
president will not be able to spend an infinite amount of time
litigating.

"Nuisance cases" will occur from time to time, and the boss will have to
choose whether or not to settle or argue these, as a cost of doing
business. If he’s a lawyer, then he will have to have a V.P. argue it;
this will tie up TWO major corporate 

[CTRL] The Tibetan Book of the Living Dead

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.32/pageone.html
A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.32/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 32/A
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Laissez Faire City Times
Aug 16, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 32
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

The Tibetan Book of the Living Dead

by Richard S. Ehrlich


LHASA, China -- Dying, voodoo-esque Tibetan Buddhist lamas may be
entering other people's corpses, animating the flesh, and living happily
ever after, even better than zombies.

Similar to Frankenstein, the lamas are said to keep their own
personalities and memories while residing under someone else's skin.

The Dalai Lama is intrigued. He believes when his tutor died, the
teacher was able to prevent his own corpse from decomposing for almost
two weeks.

Experts from Columbia University, the University of California at
Berkeley and elsewhere, were so intrigued by the Dalai Lama's insights
that they spent one week with him in 1987 to ask about the possibility
of living in corpses - and other similarly inconceivable behavior.

The Dalai Lama told them, "Through tantric technique, the meditator is
able to transfer his consciousness into a dead body.

"Because the meditator hasn't actualized the clear light state of death,
meaning he hasn't gone through the process of death, he is able to
retain the knowledge gathered during his lifetime.

"Memory is not brain. Anyway, it's a mere hypothesis from the Buddhist
point of view. So it has to be experimented with," the Dalai Lama added,
laughing.

People cannot, however, achieve immortality by jumping from body to
body. "A total change of the (dead) physical body takes place, but the
lifespan of the (living) person is said to be the same," the Dalai Lama
added.

Participants in the spirited dialogue included Columbia University
Computer Sciences Professor Dr. Newcomb Greenleaf, plus Berkeley's
cognitive scientist Eleanor Rosch, and San Diego's brain development
expert Dr. Robert B. Livingston. Naropa Institute's Dr. Jeremy Hawyard,
along with French neurobiologist Dr. Francisco Varela of the Ecole
Polytechnique in Paris, also attended.

Deep meditators can "see the events of their past lives," according to
the Dalai Lama.

Sex and Death

Ordinary people can, at least, attain low-level near-death awareness and
"clear light"--through sex.

The Dalai Lama told the experts, "There are four ordinary occasions when
a very gross form of clear light arises: at the moments of yawning,
sneezing, falling asleep, and orgasm.

"Orgasm is the strongest of the four ordinary occasions in which clear
light appears, and so it is used in meditation to extend the experience
of the emergence of clear light, to clarify the experience and make it
more vivid."

The Dalai Lama said some lamas who die, keep "very subtle consciousness"
in their own corpse, to prevent their bodies spoiling after the
expiration date.

"As a result, the body doesn't decompose while the self is in the clear
light" of "final dissolution," the Dalai Lama said. "Some people can
remain in that state for a week or more. For example, the late Kyabjey
Ling Rinpochey, my tutor, remained in the state of clear light for 13
days, and his body remained very fresh."

The Tibetan-English Dictionary of Buddhist Terminology defines how to
achieve new life inside a dead person.

"The practice of entering a corpse: An exalted tantric practice through
which a yogi, having gained control of his energy winds and mind,
purposely abandons his body and transfers his consciousness into another
serviceable corpse.

"This enables him to maintain his life even after the break-up of his
original body, in order to fulfill the purpose of other sentient beings.
"The great yogi Dharma Dhode, the son of Lama Marpa, is said to have
demonstrated this practice," the text adds.

This is similar to traditional "voodoo" belief elsewhere in the world,
where "zombies" come to life when a supernatural power enters into, and
reanimates, a dead body.

In the West Indies, however, these zombies are without their own will,
and have trouble speaking. Unlike animated Tibetan lamas, zombies appear
able to perform only automatic movement.

Preparing the Vulture’s Meal

The Chinese who now control Tibet, meanwhile, take a more down-to-earth
view of Tibetans' unusual funeral rites.

Macabre "sky funerals" in which dead Tibetans are hacked apart and fed
to vultures, attract the most attention.

Throughout Lhasa, capital of Tibet, Chinese security forces have posted
English-language signs in hotel rooms, and other places where tourists
appear, warning:

"It is forbidden to visit and photo the sky burial site, according to
the local government's regulations for the minority nationality's habits
and customs. The tourist who breaks the regulation will be punished
strictly."

During Tibetan sky funerals on Lhasa's northern edge, machete-wielding
undertakers -- sometimes drunk on 

[CTRL] The Fifth Man - Project Morpheus

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.32/pageone.html
A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.32/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 32/A
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Laissez Faire City Times
Aug 16, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 32
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

The Fifth Man

Project Morpheus

by Alex Cline


"So, the instructor was telling us about neutralization," Sam Colt
continued.

Sam was delivering his usual dramatic monologue. He doesn’t tolerate a
lot of questions: he always thinks I’m trying to make him reveal more
than he wants to. I just turn on the tape recorder and nod encouragingly
now and then.

" ‘Neutralizations are broken down into three categories,’ he said. ‘The
first stage is intimidation, which is by definition to make timid or
fearful; to inspire or affect with fear; to deter, as by threats; to
dishearten; or to abash.

"‘Intimidation, gentlemen...and lady,’ the platform instructor glanced
at the only female in the class, ‘is the preferred method of carrying
out a neutralization. If this method achieves less than the desired
result . . . well then it's time for more stringent actions.

"‘Coercion, the act of compelling by force of authority; or in simple
language, using force to cause something is our second method of
neutralization . . .

"‘And finally, if all else fails: Terminate the target. Do I need to
define the parameters of a termination, or do you all understand?’

"Smiles went around the classroom as the students acknowledged the
finality of the statement. Never before had a Carte Blanch License to
Assassinate a target been authorized. But, in this new environment, it
was not only authorized, but legal.

"Apparently a gray area existed in our law that allows political
assassinations as long as there is a National Security Finding by the
National Security Council (NSC)."

I should set the scene for Sam’s account. The Year: 1985. The Place:
Camp Peary, Va., a secret location known to the covert world as ‘The
Farm’.

Sam continued:

"It had been several years since I visited ‘The Farm’. The last time it
was a dreary winter. Bone chilling and gray the whole two week course.
But it was quite different now: it was spring and absolutely beautiful.

"The 10,000 acre Camp Peary facility was established in World War II as
a training base for Navy Seabees. (*)

"In 1951 it was transferred to CIA, and redesignated the Armed Forces
Experimental Training Activity (AFETA), which was to ‘develop prototype
training programs for military and civilian departments of the Federal
government.’ Currently, the facility is called the Special Training
Center, or STC.


"The CIA's Directorate of Operations, or DO as he/she is called, uses
the facility for training—ranging from the Basic Operations Course (BOC)
through advanced weapons and explosives training, driving techniques,
field surveillance, infiltration and exfiltration, and other clandestine
operations and paramilitary skills. BOC students are often seen in
near-by Williamsburg and neighboring communities, practicing
surveillance and counter-surveillance techniques, clandestine
communications methods, brush passes, servicing dead drops, etc.

"On occasion, personnel from the foreign intelligence services have been
brought to STC for training," Sam continued. "Such was true for this
course: MI6, Mossad, Danish Intel, and CIA were included among the
students.

"Scattered around ‘The Farm’ are appropriate facilities for
trainees--such as physical training and driving courses, firing ranges,
explosives areas, and so on. Training requiring more extensive
facilities, or isolation, is carried in several other locations, such as
Harvey Point, North Carolina.

"In addition, STC is used as a general-purpose training and conference
facility by the rest of the CIA other Intelligence Community components.
The central administrative area contains classrooms, a library,
dormitories, cafeteria, bar, gym and swimming pool. There are outlying
lodges with sleeping and dining facilities for ‘off-site’ (i.e., ‘away
from Washington’) activities like administrative and planning
conferences, or short-deadline group writing projects (Interagency
Intelligence Memoranda, Special National Intelligence Estimates, and so
on). Secure communications equipment (such as "Green line" telephone,
STU-III telephone, fax and modem) and classified storage through TS/SCI
are available in the central administrative area, and by arrangement in
other locations.

"Traditionally, STC staff has been drawn from the ranks of CIA officers,
usually assigned to the Office of Training on rotation, but in recent
years contract trainers have been hired through the AFETA office located
in Williamsburg."

"Like many other government reservations that have been mostly
undeveloped and protected from public incursion, Camp Peary has a large
wildlife population, and hunting is a popular sport for staff during
turkey and deer 

[CTRL] NAZI-UFOs-NWO-ANTI-CHRIST

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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from alt.conspiracy
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As always, Caveat Lector.
Om
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Subject: NAZI-UFOs-NWO-ANTI-CHRIST
From: "Robert Golcher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 15 August 1999 10:36 AM EDT
Message-id: 7p6j56$a86$[EMAIL PROTECTED]

what about UFOs?
Are UFOs from another planet? Are we being visited by Aliens from another
planet? Are they manifested demons? Could it be that they are just products
of hidden technology much like the stealth bomber and the U-2 spy jet. Could
it be part of a grand plan for a New World Order

I'm sure that some of you have read about a brilliant scientist named Nikola
Tesla. It was his work in science that had brought about modern day UFOs. He
and Viktor Schauberger (who exploited Tesla's technology) were the
superstars of this new flying disc technology. In WWll, the Nazi's had
relied heavily on Tesla's research to create what bomber pilots called "Foo
Fighters," and "Kraut Balls." When trying to bomb the Rhine land, these
glowing objects would fly right up to the bombers at incredible speeds never
seen before or imagined. These Foo Fighters had an charged electrical field
that would blow out the bombers electrical systems so that the American
pilots would have to call off the mission. After they were out of the area,
the "balls of coloured lights" would suddenly take off on their merry way.
This is all well documented and there are even some photos that exist today.


The following is from an article called UFO's Alien or Man Made written by
Al Pinto.
Maybe these craft are some secret government project. There is a lot of
evidence indicating this which dates back to WWII. There is a report by
Marshall Yarrow, then the Reuters special correspondent to Supreme H.Q. in
liberated Paris. This article was published in the South Wales Argus on
December 13, 1944. It stated,
"The Germans have produced a 'secret' weapon in keeping with the Christmas
season. The new device, which is apparently an air defence weapon, and
resembles the glass balls that adorn Christmas trees. They have been seen
hanging in the air over German territory, sometimes singly, sometimes in
clusters. They are coloured silver and are apparently transparent."

Another article regarding the German's secret craft was released by the
Associated Press in the New York Herald Tribune dated January 2, 1945. It
said:

"Now, it seems, the Nazis have thrown something new into the night skies
over Germany. It is the weird, mysterious 'Foo Fighter' balls which race
alongside the wings of fighters flying intruder missions over Germany.

Pilots have been encountering this eerie weapon for more than a month in
their night flights. No one apparently knows what this sky weapon is. The
balls of fire appear suddenly and accompany the planes for miles. They seem
to be radio controlled from the ground, so official intelligence reports
reveal..."


So why didnÕt the Nazi's win the war with the new Foo Fighter technology?
Well just like the German V-2 Rockets and the new Nazi jets, time had run
out. The allies were moving in and the war was being end. Hitler pleaded
with the German people to hang on for just two more months so that he
release a new technology of "super weapons." Well as you know, time did in
fact run out.
When the allies moved in they began to plunder all the new super technology.
America began to be the benefactors of this new technology when the war
ended in 1945. Two years later in 1947, Kenneth Arnold a pilot sees high
speed flying discs. He said they moved like a saucer skipping on water thus
the age of "Flying Saucers" was born.

One scientist responsible for the the Nazi flying saucers was Viktor
Schauberger. With Tesla's work in hand he began to create new and different
designs. After the Soviets had taken what the Americans had left behind in
Schauberger's apartment in Leonstein, the Soviets then bombed his apartment.
After this there was a rumour that Schauberger had gone on to work on a top
secret project for the U.S. Government in Texas.

In the early Fifties science was suddenly geared into "anti-gravity"
research. Many experiments with flying discs were taking place. Some results
were being talked about in science magazines and news papers. Then suddenly
in the late 50's the hammer of silence fell. All grant money was being cut
off and the media instantly became mute on the subject of this new
technology that now had to go underground. It even got to a point where a
large number of scientists were falling victim to strange accidents.
Schauberger himself had died of ill health. On his deathbed he declared
that, "They took everything from me. Everything. I donÕt even own myself."
When flying saucers had been photographed during flaps, upon seeing them,
Schauberger had made it clear that someone out there was using his designs.

In 1947 when Kenneth Arnold spotted the UFOs, the air force was placed on
red alert and quickly 

[CTRL] Ian Goddard's Anti-Authoritarian Journal

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://users.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm
A HREF="http://users.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm"Ian GoddardÍs
Journal/A
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Many reports and info at site.
Om
K
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IAN GODDARD’S
ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN
JOURNAL

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U.S. JOURNALIST
CONVICTED

LITTLETON MASSACRE:
A Drug-Induced Mania?



Another School Shooter on
Prescription Psychotropic



CONTRAIL ANALYSIS I
CONTRAIL ANALYSIS II
ENS: Spray Samples Analyzed





THE CRITICS ARE RAVING ABOUT GODDARD’S JOURNAL


“SHOULDN’T THIS BE EXPUNGED?... [because]
it is spreading fear and suspicion of the government.”
Lesley Stahl - CBS: 60 Minutes

CALL THE POLICE!
Newsday reports that a “site linked to Goddard’s” links
to another that “pictures a woman’s bare derrierre.”
BTW, I’m still looking for that site — pant pant...

On CNN, an enraged Federal Official said
Goddard has caused “REAL DAMAGE.”

Ergo: Attacking Goddard = Damage Control



GIVING THE BIG LIE A BLACK EYE WITH
THE FIST OF ANALYTICAL INQUIRY








TWA FLIGHT 800




- CASE CORE -



FIVE PILOTS
CIA VIDEO




THE COVER-UP
Proven

Motive 
opportunity

Acceleration

ADMISSION
Coverup Network News
DISAPPEARED NEWS

FORGOTTEN NEWS


Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
said:
“All evidence would point to a missile.”
USA Today (01/09/98)







Navy Culpability

The Kabot Photo

Navy Drone Debris

Researcher
DISAPPEARED

Crash Analysis

A Pilot’s Report

FBI’s Rigged Logic

Terrorist Theory



Family members
you won’t see on TV:

Flora Headley, mother of a TWA 800 crash victim, said:
“It was a missile. Nothing else... It will stay covered up until I’m
dead and buried.”
The Press-Enterprise (07/17/98)

Donald Nibert, who lost his daughter in the crash, said:

“My wife and I are convinced a coverup is involved. I am upset at the
major news media’s acceptance of what the government says.”

Dans Papers (11/27/98)


Dr. Vernon L. Grose, former NTSB official, said: “There’s no question
that the FBI shut down the investigation.”
Conservative News Service (07/21/98)







OKLAHOMA BOMBING



Govt Prior Knowledge
Prosecutorial Misconduct

Judge Bars Media Access

Conspiracy Facts





WACO



Victim’s Appeals Fail
White House Protest

Conspiracy Facts


Capitol Protest




POLICE STATISM



Truth by Decree
Mind Control

Global Gun Control

Military Testing Tyranny

Military Terrorizes Civilian Population

Guards Lobby for Inhumanity

FDA Terrorism





THE DRUG WAR



Drug-Test Scam
Cannabis: Good Medicine

Cannabis: Safe Medicine

Cannabis  Addiction

Prescription for Death

Presidents Say No To Medicine





RACISM



Mumia Abu-Jamal: Truth Barred
Public School Racism





ANTI-GODDARD MEDIA HITS



Los Angeles Times Rebuttal
PBS NewsHour Rebuttal

Boston Globe Rebuttal

60 Minutes Rebuttal

Letter to W. Times

Newsday Rebuttal

CNN Rebuttal






GODDARD’S HOME PAGE
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] Fwd: Shooting site near LAPD Special Training Facility!!]

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan





Received from fellow seeker of truth Norio Hayakawa. Who knows what
secrets lurk in the dark, clammy recesses of the spooky brains of those
who concoct and enact such contrived horrors as this latest MK-Ultra
shooter incident.

We've already thoroughly exposed patsy Furrow's extraordinarily blatant
links to the FBI, NSC and Air Force intelligence.

Norio as ever is on the ball with this report on an additional
"coincidence" regarding the Jewish Center/mailman shootings.

Bob for NewsHawk, Inc.



 Original Message 
Subject: Shooting site, right near LAPD Special Training Facility!!
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:13:09 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Here is another interesting "coincidence" in regards to the L.A. shooting.

The shooting site (North Valley Community Center) is located not far
from (only 5 minutes away from) L.A.P.D.'s new Special Weapons Tactical
Training Facility, inconspicuously located (behind the hill next to the
freeway) just north of Rinaldi St. and west of 405 Fwy (and just south
of where 5 Fwy meets 405 Fwy).

Earlier this year we had talked to a security guard at this "secretive"
facility who confirmed to us that this facility is occasionally jointly
shared with other "multi-jurisdictional" governmental agencies, even
including FEMA.

-Norio Hayakawa
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Re: [CTRL] water (not homeopathy)

1999-08-15 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

I suggest the "microwater" technology. I have researched this for 3 years.
Removes chlorine, fluoride, bacteria, etc., as well as producing desireable
slightly alkaline water.

http://www.asheville-computer.com/microwater

http://www.asheville-computer.com/microwater/fluoride.html
Fluoride:
Tap water with 1.1 milligrams of fluoride per liter was tested by Sequoia
Analytical Laboratories.
No fluoride was detected in the drinking water coming from our Microwater
unit in operation.
1.6 milligrams of fluoride was detected in the concentrated run-off from the
unit.
Conclusion: EPA approved testing procedures prove that our Microwater unit,
unlike ordinary filters, does extract fluoride from your drinking water.


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: DaveO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 6:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: water (not homeopathy)


At 09:12 AM 08/13/1999 +1200, JW wrote:
I've been using a water distiller for a while. FRiends tell me that
distilled water is "dead", and I should be using another kind of filter--
but that kind uses colloidal silver to remove bacteria.
[snip]
Has anyone had experience with this kind of water filter?

I drink distilled water also, and would be interested in alternatives.
Off-list replies are welcome.

DaveO

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Re: [CTRL] Dark Mother ritual

1999-08-15 Thread C Davis

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So what ever happened with the ritual to bring the Dark Mother?

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[CTRL] [9] The Treason of the Senate

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Treason of the Senate
David Graham Phillips
academic reprints
p.o. box 3003
Stanford, California
Cosmopolitian Magazine
Vol. XL - March, 1906 - No.5
--[9]--

CHAPTER IX

Fairbanks, Hale, and Frye

FAIRBANKS, the presiding genius of the Aldrich-Bailey Senate, is,
technically, not a member of it. But no account of the leadership in the
citadel of "the interests" would be adequate if it neglected him. The story
of his rise from a young Indianapolis lawyer with rich, influential
relatives, in 1874, to senatorial multimillionaire, vice-president, and
Harriman candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, is a typical
Senate biography. Soon after he began to practice law, his uncle,
General-Superintendent Smith of the Chesapeake and Ohio Railway, got him the
job of attorney to the receiver of the Indiana, Bloomington  Western
Railroad. For fourteen years thereafter he devoted his talents to the service
of railway wreckers and reorganizers and stock and bond waterers. He laid the
broad foundation of his great fortune early. The I. B.  W. was popularly
regarded as much poorer than it really was. A pool was formed by the inside
ring and the heavily discounted wage-checks of
the road's badly paid employees were bought up; the checks were paid in
full-and the young lawyer became a financier, a bulwark of conservatism and
probity!

It was his clever railway work that got him Morgan's favor and the coveted
position of Morgan's Middle-Western lieutenant. To indicate the man as a
public factor we need not linger on the jobbery of Indianapolis, Bloomington
 Western, the Cincinnati, Hamilton  Dayton, the Cleveland, Cincinnati,
Chicago  Indianapolis, the Pere Marquette, etc. Fairbanks grew richer and
richer, bought Indiana Republican heelers, financed Indiana Republican and
independent newspapers, including the chief Republican papers of the state,
the "Indianapolis Journal" and the "Indianapolis News"; he made addresses to
religious bodies, backed the machine with his money bags, became a statesman,
a senator in 1897, and vice-president through the popularity of Roosevelt in
1905. While he was "representing" the people of Indiana as a senator in 1901,
he and his protector, Morgan, quarreled over the famous, or rather infamous,
Joss railway bill drawn by Morgan's chief lawyer, Stetson. Fairbanks promised
Morgan that Governor Durbin would sign the bill. Durbin either would not or
dared not. Though the Fairbanks machine punished Durbin's "treachery" by
retiring him from public life, Morgan remained "sore." This and some C. H. 
D. matters caused Fairbanks to find it expedient to transfer himself to the
service of Harriman. It is with the Harriman branch of "the interests" that
he is now identified, and under its auspices delegates—chiefly colored
delegates from the South—are in the way of purchase as Fairbanks's support
for the Republican presidential nomination.

As senator, Fairbanks was always quick to rally with the faithful round
Aldrich, against the people. As presiding officer of the Senate, his
opportunities for direct service are necessarily limited. He is still a Wall
Street speculator, for his political expenses are a heavy drain. His most
ardent senatorial supporters in his presidential ambition are Hemenway of
Indiana and young Brandegee of Connecticutwhich is, of itself, enough to
"locate" them.

Will "the-interests" nominate him as the Republican presidential candidate in
1908? The present plan of the Aldrich-Ryan con-trol of the merged machines of
the two parties seems to be to nominate at the Democratic convention the most
easily beaten of the Democratic presidential possibilities, and to put up as
the Republican candidate some "safe and sane" man who belongs to them, or at
least will not impede them. Possibly he will be Fairbanks. But the
possibility scems remote. Indeed, by 1908, the people may become awake to the
truth about the merged machinery of the parties.

Hale and Frye—to complete our survey of the Senate's leaders—have been for
twenty-five years the senators from Maine. Sharp and painful is the contrast
between Hale, opponent of militarism and made-in-England imperialism, and
Hale, helper of "the interests," our only dangerous enemy. Indifference to
the people and contempt for their rights as against the riches and social and
political power of "the interests" saturate the atmosphere of the Senate. The
rare occasional senator who proposes some timid measure of justice, or
protests—with due regard for "senatorial courtesy "against some measure of
more than usual injustice, feels like an uncouth fellow thrusting coarse
dress and harsh accents upon an elegant company of gentlemen. And many
senators are, through long custom and gradual degeneration, as uncon$cious of
the moral quality of their actions as are the great rascals of Wall Street
when they make heavier the burdens of the masses, make deeper the sighs of
poverty, by issuing floods of stocks and 

[CTRL] [2] The Great Heroin Coup

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Great Heroin Coup - Drugs, Intelligence,  International Fascism
Henrik Kruger
Jerry Meldon, Translator
South End Press©1980
Box 68 Astor Station
Boston, MA 02123
ISBN 0-89608-0319-5
240pps - one edition - out-of-print
Orginally published in Danish
Smukke Serge og Heroien
Bogan 1976
--[2]--

PART I
BEAU SERGE

=

ONE
THE PRISONER

It must have been prisoner 77,343's worst dream come true when, on 1 October
1979, he was transferred to Hell's waiting room, the federal penitentiary in
Atlanta.

In Atlanta's nightmare of a maximum security prison, Dominique Orsini,
prisoner 77,343's friend and partner in the branch of the French Mafia known
as Grupo Frances, had been murdered in an isolation cell on 12 April 1978. In
the same prison six months earlier their heroin customer, Vincent Papa, had
been eliminated by contract killing.[1] And before that, Orsini's lawyer,
Gino Gallina, had been shot down in New York.[2]

Of nine murders committed within Atlanta's walls over a seventeen-month
period in 1977-78, at least four were contracts on Mafia connected narcotics
dealers, of whom Orsini and Papa were among the elite.[3] Since then the
killings have continued, despite federal investigation of the obsolete
seventy-eight year old prison.[4]

To the "honorable men" who drive up in black cars and flash their CIA, FBI,
and DEA IDs, prisoner 77,343 remains the subject of intense interrogation,
and that is another reason for his constant fear all these years. He knows
prison walls won't stop his enemies or, for that matter, his friends -in his
business there's little difference. Thus each time a guard sends in food he
sniffs it, pokes at it, tastes it cautiously. That is how it's been for seven
years. Only now, in Atlanta, the odds are worse than ever.

The prisoner who knows too much is Christian David, age fifty, French, known
among friends as "le Beau Serge," and by more recent acquaintances in Latin
America and the U.S. as "Eduardo" and "JeanPierre." Among French Connection
notables he's a legend, a man whose mystique grows with each new tale of his
exploits.[5]

He's been a pimp, robber, hired assassin for French intelligence, hatchet man
in Algiers torture chambers, arms trader, spy, narcotics trafficker and, true
to form, lover of beautiful women. He's one of the few alive who knows the
truth about the Ben Barka affair that shook France in 1965;[6] he knows
details of the brutal power struggle within French intelligence agency SDECE;
of SDECE collaboration with the Corsican Mafia; and of secret CIA operations
in Latin America. Ample grounds for anyone's paranoia. But David is cunning
and tough, and that is why he's still alive.

He arrived in the U.S. on 17 November 1972 from Brazil, where he'd been
arrested as the head of the huge narcotics smuggling ring, the Brazilian
Connection. International law actually gave extradition priority to France,
where he'd been sentenced to death in abstentia for murdering a police
officer. But the Americans were not about to let the drug kingpin slip
through their fingers.

When fetched from his cell in Brazil, David was desperate. Unsure of his
destination, fearing it was France and a guillotine, he smashed a light bulb
and swallowed the fragments. Even so, as he later claimed, "the Americans ...
filled me with drugs and carried me off to a military plane which flew me to
the USA."[7]

Following a short hospital stay, he was hauled to a Brooklyn courthouse where
the judge set bail at $2.5 million. Fearing the amount was not beyond the
means of David's connections, authorities rammed his case through the
labyrinth of justice. Within two weeks of his arrival, federal judge Jacob
Mishler sentenced Beau Serge to twenty years in prison for smuggling half a
ton of heroin into the United States.

During his trial, proof was obtained of David's activities on behalf of a
very special branch of French intelligence known as Service d'Action Civique
(SAC). His tri-colored SAC ID placed on display, David explained: "I was
taken from prison in 1961 to work for an organization called SAC. It was
arranged by someone with connections in the highest political circles."[8]

Of his confinement in Brazil, he had this to add: "I was tortured by the
Brazilians for thirty days and fed nothing for twenty-six days. They stole
all my money. Today I can't afford a lawyer, I haven't a cent."[9] According
to Armand, his compatriot and prison mate for the trial, "When I saw David in
the West Street jail, I could hardly recognize him, so terribly had the
Brazilians mauled him."[10]

This doesn't quite jibe with David's later writing a Parisian friend of his
desire to be transferred back to Brazil. But the ways of Christian David are
often inexplicable. And for some the thought of torture is more bearable than
that of death.

After his arrival in the U.S., David's attitude often shifted, depending on
where he saw the greatest dangers. After his sentence was pronounced, 

[CTRL] [6] BETRAYAL

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
BETRAYAL - Our Occupation of Germany
Arthur D. Rahn
Former Chief Editor of Intelligence
Office of the Director of Information Control
Office of Military Government, Germany
Book  Knowledge
Warsaw, Poland
pps. 237  (no date) out-of-print
--[6]--
--Everywhere the same condition existed. In keeping with an arbitrary
timetable we had established, we were withdrawing our supervision and
transferring authority to the Germans. Apparently, if our prime concern was
to be the rehabilitation of German industry, we merely needed to maintain a
police force and assure ourselves of cooperative "conservative" governments
with no "radical" ideas about nationalizing natural resources or confiscating
the holdings of businessmen and industrialists who had supported Hitler.--

---" NOT until I sat down to write this book and reflected on my experience
and organized my notes did I realize that what had seemed to me and my
friends in Germany to be a chaos of corruption and incompetence had actually
been a planned development following a very definite pattern. In fact, it has
become increasingly clear that the pattern of events in Germany from 1944 to
mid-1947 mirrored in sharp perspective what was happening at home in America.
Developments in Germany, too, have paralleled our actions in the United
Nations and our relations with the Soviet Union, Greece, Spain, China,
Britain, Israel — with the entire world."---

Om
K
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CHAPTER SIX

Timetable Sell — Out

"The better world for which you fight — and for which some of you give your
lives — will not come merely because we shall have won the war. It will not
come merely, because we wish very hard that it would come. It will be made
possible only by bold vision, intelligent plannning and hard work. It cannot
be brought about overnight; but only by years of effort and perseverance and
unfaltering faith."
--From an address to International Student Assembly, September 3, 1942.


IN February, 1946, when my friend Sam returned after an absence of four
months to the county where he had formerly been stationed, he found that the
local Public Safety officer was about to send the ex-mayor of the village of
Rimbach to Wiesbaden to be tried as a war criminal. Four Germans had
denounced the former mayor, a Kzler and a Communist, as an SS stooge and a
murderer of a Jew. Sam knew the mayor was a tough, irreproachable anti-Nazi,
and he conducted an informal investigation of the case. Under questioning,
one of the accusors, a farmer, admitted that an ex-Nazi bigshot and an SS man
had forced him to sign the deposition. The whole plot had been organized by
two SS men recently released from an internment camp and by this ex-Nazi
official. "How could you expect to get away with such an obvious conspiracy?"
Sam asked in bewilderment. "Oh, we've just had bad luck," they replied, "you
showed up." They had not expected an investigation, aware that we neither had
the personnel, the transporta tion nor the interest to follow up such a
denunciation. The American sergeant who had handled the case had not been
negligent or irresponsible. On his desk there was a whole pile of papers,
cases to be processed. It was impossible...

Everywhere the same condition existed. In keeping with an arbitrary timetable
we had established, we were withdrawing our supervision and transferring
authority to the Germans. Apparently, if our prime concern was to be the
rehabilitation of German industry, we merely needed to maintain a police
force and assure ourselves of cooperative "conservative" governments with no
"radical" ideas about nationalizing natural resources or confiscating the
holdings of businessmen and industrialists who had supported Hitler.

In the Information Control Division we may not have recognized the new
evolving policy immediately, but we were early victims of the withdrawal that
accompanied it. In September, barely five months after the end of the war, we
were ordered to prepare to turn over the supervision of the press, radio,
publications, theatre, etc. to the German authorities. There was
consternation in every section of our division. (HQ wanted to cut us to an
impotent skeleton staff by June, 1946. We struggled, on the other hand, to
maintain our personnel to continue our activities so that our groundwork
would not be without some lasting results.) "But we have just established the
newspapers, and we haven't even licensed half of those we plan to publish. In
addition, the editors of the papers need and want our assistance and
supervision. They don't want to be put under German control so prematurely."
The complaints were the same in the radio, publications and theatre sections.
And what was happening with us was being duplicated in Education and
Religious Affairs, in Public Safety — in most MG offices. One of the first
victims, of course, was the proPotsdam, Bernstein-Nixon Cartel Investigation
Division. The division least affected by the withdrawal was the 

[CTRL] Phantom Freedom in LucasWorld

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.31/pageone.html
A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.31/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 31/A
-
Laissez Faire City Times
August 2, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 31
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Phantom Freedom in LucasWorld

by Don Lobo Tiggre


Many activists in the pro-freedom movement have reviewed the newest
episode of the Star Wars saga (Episode I: The Phantom Menace)
positively, commenting on its "libertarian" content. The film is
certainly enjoyable, perhaps the best since the first, and it does have
some pro-freedom political content, but calling it "libertarian" may be
going a bit too far.

Mark Thornton, a resident scholar at the Ludwig von Mises Institute,
writes in his review, State Wars: The Political Economy of Star Wars:

It was peace and prosperity versus taxation, inflationism,
protectionism, imperialism, and war. The good guys win this one and
people are applauding in theaters throughout the country….The movie of
course is ‘Star Wars: The Phantom Menace,’ one of the finest allegories
on classical liberal political economy to ever appear on screen… One has
to wonder if George Lucas hasn't been reading Ludwig von Mises or Murray
N. Rothbard during the long sabbatical that he has taken since his last
major movie project. As a wealthy capitalist and businessman, Lucas
certainly knows all too well what the government means to wealth and
what the market means to the success of complex production processes
like a major motion picture.

Mr. Thornton is entitled to his view, but most people I know left the
theaters with rather less certain convictions about what George Lucas
was trying to say with the film. The general reaction was more along the
lines of, "Huh?"

Granted, Queen Amidala does go to the government for help when her
planet, Naboo, is invaded, doesn’t get it, and takes matters into her
own hands. There’s a good individualist statement in that course of
action, with some strong criticism of bureaucracy. However, the Queen is
a monarch (of sorts—it is not explained in the movie how her society,
which claims to be a democracy, happens to have a queen) and a governor
in her own right. So, if the movie has any anti-statist messages, they
can only be that bad states are bad. Unfortunately, the corollary is
that good states are good, including monarchies, even if they coerce
some citizens (such as the character Jar Jar Binks, who was banished by
his government for being clumsy).

Furthermore, it isn’t actually shown in the film that the Old Republic
is falling apart due to excessive bureaucracy and taxes. I don’t recall
any mention of taxes at all, and the blame that is placed on the
bureaucracy comes from an accusation made by the obviously power-hungry
Senator Palpatine. There might not even have been a problem with
bureaucracy, though it is certainly believable that there might have
been; the accusation could have just been a lie made up by the Senator
in order to manipulate Queen Amidala into calling for a vote of no
confidence against the existing Chancellor so Palpatine could take over.

Even as the movie closes, one gets the impression that the forces of the
Dark Side really didn’t care if the Federation’s invasion (note that
it’s a trade federation that does the dirty work in the movie!) of Naboo
succeeded or not—the real objective was to replace the "weak" Chancellor
with a strong-man. We are not shown all the politics going on behind the
scenes, we just know that it’s ugly and the result will eventually be
the evil Empire.

One sure sign that Lucas isn’t likely to be a libertarian, and is
certainly not an Objectivist, is that the character of young Anakin
Skywalker is praised by his mother for giving selflessly without
hesitation.

However, while calling it "one of the finest allegories on classical
liberal political economy to ever appear" might be going a bit too far,
it is true that the movie has a lot of good ideological content:

1] What makes the Federation bad is not that they are traders, but that
they initiate the use of force against Naboo.

2] The conflicts in the movie are resolved by INDIVIDUAL action,
intelligence, and courage. (The appointment of a committee is definitely
seen as a bad thing to befall the Naboo.)

3] The Jedi Knights, far from being a police force for the Old Republic,
as suggested by the term "guardians" in the first movie, are an
independent private agency. They intercede only at the request of
others, and only if the request fits in with their own notions of right
and wrong.

4] A child (Anakin) is taken seriously by the adults in the film once he
demonstrates competence. He’s treated like a person, without older
people automatically discounting his ability to contribute because he’s
"just a kid".

5] Whether or not the bureaucracy was really the cause of the state’s
failure to protect Naboo, the way they are 

[CTRL] Fwd: Ultra-reliable Source-School Massacre Threatened

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

As always, Caveat Lector and . . . Cui Bono?

Om
K
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8.12.99
Extremely reliable Source-
"Underground" Rumors of Planned School Massacre

This is an URGENT message to parents, students, school staff and law
enforcement in this country.

A source who has previously provided NewsHawk with very significant
information regarding the Columbine MK-Ultra/Manchurian Candidate
slaughter, widely recognized as a knowledgeable and highly credible
person, not long ago passed this following information on to us.

This person, a Denver-area resident with his ear to the ground in more
than one part of town--so to speak--has advised us that rumors have been
flying thick and heavy among the Satanist-tweakazoid factions of
Denver's goth/skinheard/Trenchcoat Mafia netherworld that school
shooting massacre is going to go down at Denver's CHERRY CREEK HIH
SCHOOL, at the beginning of the fall semester next week.

We both concurred however, that as with the trenchcoater threats for a
July 4 shooting massacre in Baltimore posted on the Internet AND right
at Columbine High School on the same day as the slaughter there (the
shooting spree of course ended up being in the Chicago area), the TIME
of this rumored impending incident may be correct (more or less) but the
LOCATION is probably deliberately falsified.

Considering what's at stake here, which may be the lives of YOUR
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[CTRL] eBay item 147390331 (Ends 08/22/99, 11:50:42 PDT) - Silver Certificate 1899

1999-08-15 Thread Bill

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Very Nice Silver Certificate with some very bizarre looking engravingspaper money has always been a problem, trying to get the people to have enough confidence in it to make it work, and thats because paper money schemes have always been a popular way of ripping off the general public.  Americas Federal Reserve bankers have connived a kind of enforced confidence on the people, Their Assets, thats us, Their Assets, and if you do not kowtow to their endless liberty eroding schemes things can be made very hard for you.  This certificate is an encapsulation of information concerning the feds depredations and ignorance mongering.  There is No damage to this certificate except the damage done to the precious metals ideals of currency, which have become defunct here in this bankers slavemaking world. Good Luck and shipping is 1.00 USA more elsewhere..JPG>




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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Ultra-reliable Source-School Massacre Threatened

1999-08-15 Thread Aol user

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Sure hope the "ultra reliable source" has gone to the authorities.

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[CTRL] Lycos Nixes 'Jews for Jesus' Ad [AP]

1999-08-15 Thread Bard

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Lycos Nixes 'Jews for Jesus' Ad
Associated Press
Last Updated: Aug. 11, 1999 at 11:20:28 a.m.
WALTHAM, Mass. - Lycos Inc., the popular Web destination, said it will not
renew an advertisement from Jews for Jesus because of complaints from some
in the Jewish community.

Lycos Inc. said it received complaints about the ad from several Jewish
people who took offense when the ad popped up on their screens as they
searched for Web sites containing the word ``Jewish.''

Jews for Jesus paid $1,700 for the ad, which started running July 6.

The ad, which promotes a book on the group's religious philosophy, read:
``The end of the world is no time to finally realize Jesus is the Messiah.
(It's all in the book.) Click here for a free copy!''

When users clicked, a Web page for Jews for Jesus appeared.

The page originally also referenced Lycos, but was changed after complaints
were received and at Lycos' prompting. Jeffrey Snider, Lycos' general
counsel, said the company did not want to give users the impression it
endorsed Jews for Jesus.

Started in the 1970s, Jews for Jesus practices Judaism, yet regards Jesus as
the Messiah. It has 70,000 followers nationally.

Snider told The Boston Globe that the ad's contract, which expires in
several days, was not renewed because ``controversial advertising is bad for
business.''

He added the company does not want Jews to boycott Lycos.

The ad was opposed by the Anti-Defamation League's Boston office. Diane
Kolb, associate director, said she believes the message is misleading and
blasphemous.

``Jews can't be for Jesus,'' she said.

Lycos officials did not say how many complaints they had received.

Jews for Jesus officials said they were disappointed their message was
restricted.

``The Web is supposed to be a marketplace for all kinds of ideas, and people
can click on them or pass them by,'' said Susan Perlman, spokeswoman for
Jews for Jesus.

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Re: [CTRL] Statists Three

1999-08-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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  Three Statists
 
  by DON MATHEWS 

Darned if I know what a "statist" is, but I sure hate to see these three men
called by the same name.

Dick Morris is a true bi-partisan.  He'll play on anybody's side if the
money's good.  and he's a sexual idiot.

George Stephanopoulos is just kind of a jerk.

But Robert Reich is a Democrat, and there are darned few of those people
around.  Please keep his kind of social engineering coming.

Prudy

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[CTRL] Bush's Death Watch (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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-- Forwarded message --



BUSH'S DEATH WATCH



CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS


In rather the same way as new movies are now "reviewed" in terms of their
first weekend gross, new candidates have become subject to evaluation by
the dimensions of their "war chest." This silly, archaic expression defines
other equally vapid terms like "credibility" and "electability" and "name
recognition," which become subliminally attached to it. In many cases the
crude cash-flow measure is as useful in deciding on a politician as it is
in making a choice at the multiplex; you might as well see the worthless
movie that everyone else has seen, or express an interest in the unbearably
light "front runner," so as not to be left out of the national "conversation."
The hidden costs, alas, include a complete erosion of the critical faculties.
I am as enthralled as the next person by the sheaves of money assembled
for George Walker Bush. (What did he do to be shorn at birth of his Herbert?)
But I'm even more fascinated by the fact that on June 17 he signed his hundredth
death warrant. There was an execution on the day of his inauguration as
governor of Texas, which I don't count, and there has been one every two
weeks or so ever since. Part of a governor's job is to review capital cases:
This means that Bush has either (a) been doing little else but reviewing
death sentences or (b) been signing death warrants as fast as they can be
put in front of him.

This may also be helping him gain some of that much
needed "foreign policy experience" about which the pundits have made the
occasional frown. State officials from the Philippines and Guatemala have
been touring lethal chambers in the United States as part of their research
into improved methods, and according to Amnesty International a Filipino
official was allowed to watch a killing in Texas in 1997. He wouldn't have
had to hang about very long to get this job experience.

The thorny question
of race--always such a minefield for the aspiring Republican candidate--also
gets a workout by this means. Many people remember the case of Karla Faye
Tucker, the born-again pickax-murderess who showed--at least by the standard
of Christian fundamentalism--signs of having been rehabilitated. Governor
Bush snuffed her in February of last year, over the protests of Pat Robertson
and others. But had he commuted her sentence, he would have been faced with
executing a black woman, Erica Sheppard, who was next in line on the female
death row and had forgone her appeal. Spare a photogenic white girl and
then kill a defiant black one? Better to do away with both and avoid the
fuss altogether. (Sheppard has since recovered her determination to appeal,
and recently took part in a protest against the strip-searching of female
inmates in front of male guards, another feature of the Texas criminal justice
system.)

Then there's the aspect that touches "communities of faith," or
whatever you choose to call them. Governor Bush has proposed that the social
safety net be maintained by religious charities, and he hopes to make these
points of light his auxiliaries in ending such welfare as we still know.
It's the battiest soup-kitchen scheme since Theodore Roosevelt discussed
handing over American social welfare to the Salvation Army. But it runs
up against a potentially interesting conflict: At least twenty-eight major
religious groups in this country have declared against capital punishment.
Might not now be the time to ask them if they will agree to ladle charity
on behalf of a man who conducts photo-op and opinion-poll executions?
 Some
Lone Star cases for your perusal: An open homosexual named Calvin Burdine
was sentenced to death after being given a court-appointed lawyer who referred
to gay men as "queers" and "fairies," and who fell asleep during the trial.
In 1998 two Texas defendants were executed for crimes committed when they
were 17. (That year, Texas held twenty-seven of the seventy-four juveniles
on death row in the United States.) Both Joseph Cannon and Robert Carter
had suffered head injuries in infancy, had been subject to lurid physical
abuse and tested at an abysmal level for mental retardation. Their executions
violated the accepted international standard that prohibits the death penalty
for the underaged, as well as the presumption that it is wrong to slay the
mentally ill or incompetent. You probably don't want to know how perfunctory
was the presentation of the state's evidence, how tenth-rate was the performance
of the court-appointed defense or how wretched was the end. (The humane
lethal-injection needle blew out of Joseph Cannon's arm as the "procedure"
began; the witnesses were hurried from the room and then brought back to
view a second and more conclusive try.)

Perhaps you wonder if capital punishment
is unevenly applied, as respects race and class, in the state of Texas.

[CTRL] Gloves Off in the Garden State (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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GLOVES OFF IN THE GARDEN STATE



by DOUG IRELAND


The newly regilded dome of Trenton's state capitol may be shimmering under
the intense summer sun, but if New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman's
entourage is sweating bullets these days, it's not because of the weather.
In the Front Office, as the term-limited GOP governor's executive suite
is known, her staff is fretting that Whitman's ascension to the US Senate
seat being vacated by retiring Democrat Frank Lautenberg could be derailed
by a high-decibel, right-wing radio shock-jock named Bob Grant.

The proprietor
of an afternoon drive-time program on New York City-based WOR-AM--whose
powerful signal reaches a huge audience in New Jersey--Grant is preparing
his own race for the Senate as an independent. Whitman has never won a statewide
election by more than 1 percent of the vote, and a poll of 600 New Jersey
voters taken in late April by the Washington, DC, firm Schroth and Associates
shows Grant drawing 14 percent in the general elections--more than enough
to tip the scales in favor of the putative frontrunner for the Democratic
nomination, former Congressman and Governor Jim Florio.

Because New Jersey
is bereft of broadcast TV outlets of its own--and thus dependent on New
York City and Philadelphia stations, which offer little coverage of New
Jersey affairs--drive-time radio has played a hugely important role in the
politics of the Garden State, where commuters avidly fuel their electoral
road rage with daily doses of extremist rantings. When Whitman won her gubernatorial
race in 1993 (defeating incumbent Florio by just 26,000 votes), it was thanks
in part to a revolt against a Florio-imposed $2.8 billion tax increase sparked
by Jim Gearhart, a neopopulist conservative morning talk-show host on Trenton's
WKXW. Whitman publicly credited Grant--who relentlessly bashed "Flim-Flam
Florio"--and the other talk-jocks for her victory (she even went so far
as to fulfill a campaign promise to the odious Howard Stern by having a
comfort station on the New Jersey Turnpike named after him).

A regional
radio fixture for decades and a longtime Monmouth County resident, Grant
is of Italian descent and has many fans among the state's sizable chunk
of increasingly conservative Italian-American voters. Also fueling Grant's
popularity in this racially tense state is his unabashed racism. He's called
blacks "screaming savages," used to regularly refer to then-New York Mayor
David Dinkins as "the men's room attendant," lamented that Magic Johnson
was infected "only" with HIV and disparaged Martin Luther King Jr. in unprintable
terms. In 1994, under heavy pressure from the Black Ministers Council of
New Jersey, Whitman pledged to halt her frequent appearances before Grant's
microphone. (Grant recalls subsequently running into her at a political
roast: "I told the crowd, 'The Governor really didn't recognize me without
a white sheet.' She gave me a dirty look.")

Grant will say only that he's
"heavily leaning" toward running (FCC equal-time regs oblige--he doesn't
want to lose his microphone prematurely), but his campaign is already assured
of top management in the person of Roger Stone, the echt-Reaganite political
consultant from the GOP's hard right. On the record, Stone says that he's
"likely" to take on the Grant campaign--in fact, he's the one who quietly
set up the Draft Bob Grant for Senate exploratory committee to raise funds,
recruited former Reagan operative Jim Zaimes to run it and is already planning
Grant's no-frills media blitz--on radio, natch. Stone's reputation as a
bare-knuckles brawler in politics has Republicans quaking. Told of Stone's
involvement in Grant's campaign, one prominent GOP county executive who
would like to succeed Whitman as governor let out a surprised "Wow!", adding
(after requesting anonymity) that "with Grant in the race, no Republican
can win, let alone Whitman."

Why are conservative voters so receptive to
Grant's savage attacks on Whitman as an "ultra-country club Republican"?
Because Whitman--first elected on a tax-and-budget-cutting program that
was supposed to help the little guy--has financed those tax cuts with bonds
whose expensively deferred payments will fall on the average taxpayer after
she has left the State House. At the same time, she has been ladling out
fortunes in subsidies to the corporate giants that finance the state's Republican
Party.

The tax increase that defeated Florio in 1993 also cost Democrats
the legislative control they'd maintained for nearly two decades. Flush

[CTRL] The Homosexual Agenda under klintoon/algore

1999-08-15 Thread Bard

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/TrashingAmerica/homosexrights.html


Clinton's Goal for the 21st. Century

Bill Clinton's real goal is the creation of a new government-industrial
complex similar to the corporate state established in Italy in the 1930s. In
Bill Clinton's America, Washington will dictate the details of daily
economic life in an unprecedented way. His policies abound in government
interventions into the private sector, each with untold impact on the
ability of American business to expand and create new jobs for American
workers.
Under Clinton's plan, for example, the federal government would create a new
bureaucracy to determine how much money each worker, manager, and owner of a
business should be paid. His proposals would require government bureaucrats
to come up with a complex formula to penalize "excessive pay" in the private
sector; such "excess" would not be allowed to be included as a legitimate
business expense for tax purposes.
Under Clinton's health care plan, American citizens would be required to
utilize a government chosen doctor for their health care and those who chose
to obtain services with their own money would be considered criminals.

Socialism is government ownership and/or control over the basic means of
production and distribution of services and goods. This means the government
controls everything, including you. Socialism, like Communism, is a
consolidate and control the wealth program; not a share-the-wealth program
as many would have you believe.


 http://www2.southwind.net/~jeremiah/clint_homo.html



Bard

"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond
the territory enclosed by its borders."
-- Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo

RECALL Zedillo's Pimp California Governor Gray Davis
http://www.recalldavis.org/

 The Homosexual Agenda.url


[CTRL] THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION



The infamous “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, being, supposedly,
evidence of a plot by Jews to take over the world, are repeatedly posted
by anti-Semites as if they were true. However their authenticity has
been disproven on numerous occasions. Despite this, some people are
unwilling to accept the evidence. The following historiographies are
worth reading in this regard.

David S. Maddison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ARTICLE 1





This article was written by Prof. Saul Wallach of Bar-Ilan University.

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Protocools of Zion
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Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
References:
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 18:15:22 GMT

The "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", the most notorious and most
successful work of modern antisemitism, draws on popular antisemitic
notions which have their roots in medieval Europe from the time of the
Crusades. The libels that the Jews used blood of Christian children for
the Feast of Passover, poisoned the wells and spread the plague were
pretexts for the wholesale destruction of Jewish communities throughout
Europe. Tales were circulated among the masses of secret rabbinical
conferences whose aim was to subjugate and exterminate the Christians,
and motifs like these are found in early antisemitic literature.

   The conceptual inspiration for the Protocols can be traced back to
the time of the French Revolution at the end of the 18th century. At
that time, a French Jesuit named Abbe Barruel, representing reactionary
elements opposed to the revolution, published in 1797 a treatise blaming
the Revolution on a secret conspiracy operating through the Order of
Freemasons. Barruel's idea was nonsense, since the French nobility at
the time was heavily Masonic, but he was influenced by a Scottish
mathematician named Robison who was opposed to the Masons. In his
treatise, Barruel did not himself blame the Jews, who were emancipated
as a result of the Revolution. However, in 1806, Barruel circulated a
forged letter, probably sent to him by members of the state police
opposed to Napoleon Bonaparte's liberal policy toward the Jews, calling
attention to the alleged part of the Jews in the conspiracy he had
earlier attributed to the Masons. This myth of an international Jewish
conspiracy reappeared later on in 19th century Europe in places such as
Germany and Poland.

   The direct predecessor of the Protocols can be found in the pamphlet
"Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu", published by
the non-Jewish French satirist Maurice Joly in 1864. In his "Dialogues",
which make no mention of the Jews, Joly attacked the political ambitions
of the emperor Napoleon III using the imagery of a diabolical plot in
Hell. The "Dialogues" were caught by the French authorities soon after
their publication and Joly was tried and sentenced to prison for his
pamphlet.

   Joly's "Dialogues", while intended as a political satire, soon fell
into the hands of a German antisemite named Hermann Goedsche writing
under the name os Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche was a postal clerk and a
spy for the Prussian secret police. He had been forced to leave the
postal work due to his part in forging evidence in the prosecution
against the Democratic leader Benedict Waldeck in 1849. Goedsche adapted
Joly's "Dialogues" into a mythical tale of a Jewish conspiracy as part
of a series of novels entitled "Biarritz", which appeared in 1868. In a
chapter called "The Jewish Cemetery in Prague and the Council of
Representatives of the Twelve Tribes of Israel", he spins the fantasy of
a secret centennial rabbinical conference which meets at midnight and
whose purpose is to review the past hundred years and to make plans for
the next century.

Goedsche's plagiary of Joly's "Dialogues" soon found its way to
Russia. It was translated into Russian in 1872, and a consolidation of
the "council of representatives" under the name "Rabbi's Speech"
appeared in Russian in 1891. These works no doubt furnished the Russian
secret police (Okhrana) with a means with which to strengthen the
position of the weak Czar Nicholas II and discredit the reforms of the
liberals who sympathized with the Jews. During the Dreyfus case of
1893-1895, agents of the Okhrana in Paris redacted the earlier works of
Joly and Goedsche into a new edition which they called the "Protocols of
the Elders of Zion". The manuscript of the Protocols was brought to
Russia in 1895 and was printed privately in 1897.

   The Protocols did not become public until 1905, when Russia's defeat
in the Russo-Japanese War was followed by the Revolution in the same
year, leading to the promulgation of a constitution and institution of
the Duma. In the 

[CTRL] Fwd: Furrow Has FED Gun Dealer's License

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan





8.14.99
Furrow Has FEDERAL Gun Dealer's License

© 1999 John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.


(I'm back. Thanks Bob!)

In addition to known, current and active links Buford Furrow has to the
FBI, Air Force intelligence, the NSC and of course Aryan Nations and the
EXTREME Neo-Nazi group The Order, we NOW find that Furrow possessed a
FEDERAl firearms dealers license which allowed him to legally buy
weapons from gun manufacturers wholesale and resell them commercially
for profit. As such licensing is under the jurisdiction of the BATF, and
they would SURELY have been aware of Furrow's links to the Neo-Nazis AND
his incarceration for both mental instability and for assault, this
implicates the BATF as well in the engineering and unleashing of
mind-controlled gunman/patsy Furrow.

This person has been in prison for threatening 2 Fairfax Psychiatric
Hospital hospital staffers with a knife, while ALREADY incarcerated for
deranged and sociopathic behaviors.

While so incarcerated, this person blathered easily to LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICIALS about his recurring desire to shoot and kill lots of people
and the court system was MADE AWARE of these statements; YET, he was
soon back on the street. (Shades here of Eric Harris and Jefferson
County Sheriffs dropping the ball insofar as investigating reports of
Harris's threats of violence and murder.)

To the casual observer--which includes most of us whose minds are
saturated with mass media "news" of 5-10 second sound bites of blatant
self-serving sloganeering from unending hordes of "official" clones--it
might seem rather odd that Furrow would have been able to extract
himself from custody/incarceration in light of these actions and
statements on his part. However when one takes into account the truly
IMPRESSIVE list of ties Furrow has to various and sundry FEDERAL law
enforcement, military and intelligence agencies, it's easy to understand
how so many exit doors opened so easily for Furrow. They needed him: he
had a job to do.

Incredibly, while living with his father in Olympia Washington, Furrow
lived right next door to a gun wholesaler, Olympic Arms,  which has it's
own shooting range in the basement.

A salesman currently working at Olympic Arms named Jesse Chester said he
had no knowledge of them ever having done business with Furrow, because
"we only deal with federally licensed dealers."

Unbeknownst to this fellow and just about EVERYBODY else, THAT'S WHAT
FURROW WAS!

© 1999 John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.




Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Ultra-reliable Source-School Massacre Threatened

1999-08-15 Thread Dave

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If you could think your way out of a wet paper bag, you'd see that "the
authorities" are likely involved in the PLANNING.

Go do some research on the Columbine incident and, in fact-
ON EVERY SINGLE ONE
of the mass murder shootings and bombings in the country for the last God
knows how many years!

Always very strong reasonable suspicion of covert government involvement.

Every one that I can think of offhand.

Anyone know of a couple in which the gov't IS NOT implicated?   ~:()


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


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Sure hope the "ultra reliable source" has gone to the authorities.

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[CTRL] Executive Order 13132 of August 4, 1999 [ FEDERALISM revisited ]

1999-08-15 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

Thanks for the correct EO # Brad.
Here's the whole thing, retrieved from the Federal Register
(if you haven't already read Brad's commentary, please scroll down and do
so, prior to examining this latest attempt by the Prez to undermine the
Constitution of these united States.) We have only 80 days to get him to
back off of this one like we did the LAST one of these attempts ! Please
redistribute far and wide !

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart

===
[Federal Register: August 10, 1999 (Volume 64, Number 153)]
[Presidential Documents]
[Page 43255-43259]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]

Presidential Documents
___

Title 3--
The President

[[Page 43255]]

Executive Order 13132 of August 4, 1999


Federalism

By the authority vested in me as President by the
Constitution and the laws of the United States of
America, and in order to guarantee the division of
governmental responsibilities between the national
government and the States that was intended by the
Framers of the Constitution, to ensure that the
principles of federalism established by the Framers
guide the executive departments and agencies in the
formulation and implementation of policies, and to
further the policies of the Unfunded Mandates Reform
Act, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order:

(a) ``Policies that have federalism implications''
refers to regulations, legislative comments or proposed
legislation, and other policy statements or actions
that have substantial direct effects on the States, on
the relationship between the national government and
the States, or on the distribution of power and
responsibilities among the various levels of
government.
(b) ``State'' or ``States'' refer to the States of
the United States of America, individually or
collectively, and, where relevant, to State
governments, including units of local government and
other political subdivisions established by the States.
(c) ``Agency'' means any authority of the United
States that is an ``agency'' under 44 U.S.C. 3502(1),
other than those considered to be independent
regulatory agencies, as defined in 44 U.S.C. 3502(5).
(d) ``State and local officials'' means elected
officials of State and local governments or their
representative national organizations.

Sec. 2. Fundamental Federalism Principles. In
formulating and implementing policies that have
federalism implications, agencies shall be guided by
the following fundamental federalism principles:

(a) Federalism is rooted in the belief that issues
that are not national in scope or significance are most
appropriately addressed by the level of government
closest to the people.
(b) The people of the States created the national
government and delegated to it enumerated governmental
powers. All other sovereign powers, save those
expressly prohibited the States by the Constitution,
are reserved to the States or to the people.
(c) The constitutional relationship among sovereign
governments, State and national, is inherent in the
very structure of the Constitution and is formalized in
and protected by the Tenth Amendment to the
Constitution.
(d) The people of the States are free, subject only
to restrictions in the Constitution itself or in
constitutionally authorized Acts of Congress, to define
the moral, political, and legal character of their
lives.
(e) The Framers recognized that the States possess
unique authorities, qualities, and abilities to meet
the needs of the people and should function as
laboratories of democracy.

[[Page 43256]]

(f) The nature of our constitutional system
encourages a healthy diversity in the public policies
adopted by the people of the several States according
to their own 

[CTRL] FBI infiltrator reveals Furrow's anti-semitism (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

 -Caveat Lector-

The Spokesman-Review
Friday, August, 13, 1999
http://www.spokane.net/
By Bill Morlin, The Spokesman-Review

A former FBI infiltrator at the Aryan Nations compound remembers Los
Angeles shooting suspect Buford Furrow Jr. as a hard-working Aryan
security guard who really hated Jews.

"He got the security job because he was considered to be one of the most
level-headed in the group up there at Aryan Nations," former FBI informant
Vince Reed said in an interview Thursday.

Furrow's appointment to the Aryan security squad was made by Tim Bishop,
the chief of staff for Aryan Nations leader Richard Butler from about 1994
to 1997, Reed said.

Reed showed up at the Aryan Nations compound in 1992 and stayed through
1996, secretly getting paychecks from the FBI for keeping an eye on the
Aryans, including Furrow.

Reed's informant job ended in 1996 when he was forced to testify as a
prosecution witness against a group of six Midwestern white supremacists
who called themselves the New Order.  They were arrested and convicted of
plotting to kill a black radio show host in Missouri, a federal judge in
Illinois and Morris Dees, co-founder of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

While working as an informant, Reed lived for a time near the Aryan
Nations compound in a house he rented from Butler's friends Charles and
Betty Tate.

And Reed came to know Furrow "fairly well."

"The earliest I can remember him there personally is 1994, but I know that
he was known up there before that," Reed said.

Another undercover operative who provided information to the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said Furrow, 37, attended the 1989 Aryan
World Congress.

Furrow spent time with Kim A. Badynski, a former Illinois KKK leader, said
the source, who asked not to be identified.

Badynski, who now lives in Tacoma, heads the Northwest Knights of the KKK
and has been involved with the Populist Party of Washington.

Furrow also was friendly with Charles Mangles, an Aryan Nations member
from Polson, Montana, " Reed said.

"Charlie liked him a lot, as I recall, because he carried himself within
the ranks of the Aryan Nations as a respected person," Reed said.

Furrow did odd jobs around the compound and volunteered for extra hours,
often pulling night duty in a guard shack labeled "whites only."

The only time he wanted to step away from guard duties was when Butler or
Louis Beam, the Aryan Nations ambassador-at-large, were delivering
speeches, Reed said, and then Furrow had a front-row seat.

Reed said while he was at the compound he never saw any outburst of temper
or violence from Furrow, who was called Neal.

"It seemed to be that Neal liked to take orders, you know, 'Yes, sir. No,
sir,'" Reed recalled.

The former informant said he didn't attend the Aryan Nations marriage of
Furrow to Debbie Mathews, the widow of Robert Mathews.  Mathews headed a
1980s neo-Nazi terrorist group known as The Order.

But Reed did see Furrow with Clint Matthews, the teenage son of Robert
Mathews.  Furrow and his stepson attended the 1994 and 1995 Aryan World
Congress.  At one of the events, the teenager wore a T-shirt that read,
"Hail, The Order."

"We called him 'Little Bob,'" Reed recalled.

"A lot of guys called him 'the future Bob Mathews,' because they wanted
him to follow his father's footsteps, evidently."

Debbie Mathews, who lives near Metaline Falls, Wash., has refused all
requests for media interviews since her ex-husband surrendered Wednesday
in Las Vegas.

"With his hatred for Jews, it doesn't surprise me at all that he did
this," said Reed, but he doesn't understand why Furrow traveled so far
from his Olympia home to carry out his crimes.

"He was a respected person within the Aryan Nations," Reed said of Furrow.
"His views were very strong, anti-Jew, and he always expressed that."

In July 1995, producers with Michael Moore's national television show "TV
Nation" showed up on a public road outside the Aryan Nations's gates.

The producers hired young black women to sing and dance outside the gates
to the song, "Stop! In the Name of Love" by the Supremes.  As the cameras
rolled, the Aryans could be seen in the background giving Nazi salutes.

Reed recalled that a couple of skinheads wanted to attack the performers,
but Furrow interceded.  "He kept everything under control."

Furrow also ordered another Aryan guard in 1995 to apologize to a reporter
who was told that Hitler's extermination ovens should have been kept
around for members of the press.  But after reporters left, Reed recalled
that Furrow laughed and said, "there are a lot of Jew bastards in the
media."

Reed was promoted to "general" shortly before his identity was compromised
by his trial testimony.  Reed said when the national spotlight falls on
the Aryan Nations, as it is now with the Furrow case, Butler tries to
distance himself and his white supremacy organization.

"He tries to weasel out of any involvement in something like this," Reed
said.

"But Neal's 

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[CTRL] Spiegel: Spider's net of the Albanian Mafia in Germany

1999-08-15 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General

 -Caveat Lector-

The Committee for National Solidarity
Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU
"It has never happened in the history that such a small ethnic group shows
so
much criminal energy in such a short time, the Spiegel comments."


--Begin forward message-

Spiegel: Spider's net of the Albanian Mafia in Germany
August 08, 1999

Bonn, 8 August, 1999 - During the NATO aggression on Yugoslavia, the West
received the distorted image on the Albanians. This image has its other
side,
stresses the Hamburg weekly Spiegel in its analytic article on the spider's

net which the Albanian Mafia has developed not only in Germany, but
throughout the whole Europe.

"Ethnic Albanians" (as the German police officially calls them), no matter
where they come from - Albania, Macedonia or Kosovo - created for a very
short time in the last decade of the century, a very powerful criminal
network, says Manfred Quedzuweit, director of the Police Department for
Fighting the Organized Crime in Hamburg. Here, it could be heard that they
are even more dangerous than Cosa Nostra.

The network is spreading from the Balkans over the eastern Europe, becomes
very dense in Greece and Italy, more dense in Switzerland and Germany, and
stretches even to Scandinavia. Some branches of this criminal Albanian
network even reach Spain, Portugal and the Great Britain, and even more -
the
United States.

It has never happened in the history that such a small ethnic group shows
so
much criminal energy in such a short time, the Spiegel comments.

In the last couple of years, the Albanians literally invaded the West as
they
found the best place for their illegal business there. In the Great
Britain,
for example, there were only 30 Albanians living there ten years ago. Now,
there are over 30,000 Albanians living in Britain, a thousand times more!
There are about 400,000 Albanians in Germany, 200,000 in Switzerland,
100,000
in Italy
and even 25,000 in small Belgium.

Tribal, patriarchal establishment among the Albanians is one of the most
important factors of successful creating the network of the criminal clans.

Everybody knows everybody, everyone is controlled where he goes and what he

does. Nobody can escape the long hand of Mafia, says Manfred Quedzuweit.

The members of the family form the core of a clan (in this case about 60
members of the Albanian family), writes the Spiegel. The average of another

150 relatives are tied to them, as well as their neighbours and friends,
sometimes a whole village is a clan. Such a system is ideal for introducing

into an organized criminal network, writes the Hamburg weekly.

The ethnologist of the University in Berlin Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers
says
those are the relics of an archaic tribal society, which she and her
colleagues call "immoral familiarity".

In Germany, the Albanians have completely took over the market of heroin as

they banished, in a spectacular fight five years ago, the Turks and Kurds.
For a short time, says Manfred Quedzuweit, they covered the market of
prostitution where they launch young Albanian girls of 16 and 17 years.

"Washing" of illegal money, armed robberies and stealing of jewelry and
money
from private houses, and organized transportation of white slaves and
desperate ones who seek their chance for life in the West, is only a part
in
their long list of illegal businesses in Germany.

Albanian "banks" in Germany are a special story. They are used for the
transfer of money from Germany which amounts to a billion of D-marks a
year.
One of these banks was discovered by accident by the Dusseldorf police when

they were checking a travel agency "Eulinda" owned by the Albanians.  We
haven't found a single catalogue or brochure for travelling at the agency,
computers were not
operating, nor the printer has been ever used. We found that "Eulinda" was
a
coverup for some other business, said high criminal counselor from
Dusseldorf
Rainer Bruckert.  Eventually we found out that "Eulinda" had already
transferred 150 million dollars to Kosovo - for "humanitarian purposes",
says
Bruckert. Money has been transferred by the
couriers in special waist belts with many pockets. So, in a single one way
trip, they can carry up to six million D-marks. We have proofs, says
Bruckert, that the money has been transferred under the cover of political
parties and humanitarian aid and through fictitious companies, to Kosovo
for
the purpose of financing the war which KLA is conducting there.

Police has lots of difficulties to catch any of those criminals and put
them
in jail, mostly because people are scared too much to testify, fearing for
their own lives and the lives of their families, says Manfred Quedzuweit,
who
asserts that this fear is without any ground since police has many ways to
protect the witnesses.  Even the suspects do not feel like talking. The
chances to find out anything at the hearing are equal to zero, says Josef
Geissdoerfer, director of the Department for 

[CTRL] Is Clinton Creating the First Drug Dealer, Terrorist State in Europe?

1999-08-15 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General

 -Caveat Lector-

The Committee for National Solidarity
Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU

Is Clinton Creating the First Drug Dealer, Terrorist State in Europe?

Isn't it Time for the US Media to Print some of the Truth About "Albanian
Autonomy?"

By: Mary Mostert, Analyst, Original Sources (www.originalsources.com)

June 15, 1999

One of my readers, Linda H., wrote today:

"I have been reading you now for about a year. So many times I find myself
tearing my hair out and saying, "That can't be true, surely someone else
would be saying it too!" Especially the last two and a half months.
Unfortunately for my peace of mind, you have a tendency to quote other
sources,
such as news reports from other countries, or the World Almanac for
instance, instead of making wholly unsupported statements. I look at what
you
say, and I can't help seeing where you are coming from.

"During WWII, there were people who were trying to speak an unpopular
truth we just didn't want to hear. We called them alarmists, or accused
them
of paranoia, or seeing bogey-men where they didn't exist. Too bad we
didn't listen sooner."

I know just how Linda feels. That's just exactly how I feel time, after
time, when I research an issue and find that what is being SAID by the
so-called
media, or sometimes, left totally UNSAID is clearly designed to totally
mislead the public. The real story behind the Serbs fleeing Kosovo is not
over
what SERBS have done - it's over what ALBANIANS have done for years to
Serbs.

Before the bombing started, I asked what any competent journalist SHOULD
have asked - "Who is the KLA and how are they being financed?"
Albania is the poorest nation in Europe and it's Stalinist communist
government basically collapsed shortly after the USSR disintegrated. I
found, to my
surprise, that the KLA is a large, and wealthy drug cartel that controls
most of the Heroin sales throughout Europe - supplying up to 90% of the
Heroin
to Scandinavian countries, for example.

Now I am watching so-called journalists reporting while surrounded by KLA
members or supporters, with undisguised smugness that the Serbs are
now "fleeing Kosovo for the first time, while the Albanians jeer." On Fox
News last night I watched a group of armed Albanians shooting their
weapons in the air, while mugging for the cameras in what must have been
in full view of the NATO "peacekeepers."

The day before, a Serb who shot into the air was promptly shot and killed
by German peacekeepers, according to reports from the scene.

What should be obvious at this point is that the Clinton-Gore
Administration has created a situation in Kosovo which will require a very
long term
commitment on the part of the United States. It isn't just Serbs who are
leaving. Other ethnic groups, Montenegrins and Gypsies, seeing what
certainly
appears to be a commitment on the part of NATO and the media to create an
Albanian reservation in the heart of the Serbian Orthodox Church's
sacred territory, are fleeing also.

Why? And, why is the dominant media not reporting what is really going on?
One of the sites (http://www.beograd.com) which has developed a
network of first-hand reporters from Kosovo reports today:

 ** According to the info I am receiving from my friends and
relatives who left Pec, only 2 Serbian priests, Budo and Miljko, stayed
 in the town, The town is on fire. There are no more Serbs and
Montenegrins there. Mass exodus of Serbs toward Belgrade is expected.

  01:29 KLA stopped the Serbian refugee convoy and killed the
brothers Slavisa and Bogdan Krstic at the spot.

  AFP reports from Rozaje that more than 13,000 members of
non-Albanian minorities (Serbs, Montenegrins, Gypsies,
 Moslems, and others) arrived to Monete Negro. Serbian leader from
Kosovo, Mr. Trajkovic is quoted saying that over 30,000 people
 have fled Kosovo from the Albanians so far.

 *** Sky News - NATO entered Pec. They met a convoy of YU Army, 5
km long, on the road. They are wondering how come the
 tanks and other arms are not even scratched, while they were told
they have destroyed all tanks in Kosovo.

What Americans are hearing, of course, from their TV screens is that the
Serbs are leaving because they "feel guilty" for participating in "ethnic
cleansing" of Albanians before and during the bombing. What is simply not
being reported is the history - the recent history - of KLA terrorism
against
Serbs which created the increasingly "ethnically pure" Albanian majority
in Kosovo. It is a story quite similar to the change of ethnicity in many
large
American cities, in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s - when the "white flight"
resulted in all black inner cities.

While the popular liberal analysis of "white flight" is to chalk it up to
white bigotry, in my family, white flight was a matter of
self-preservation. My
brother and his family ended up as about the only white person in the
South Chicago neighborhood where he had purchased a home in the early

[CTRL] Rescued American Airmen Defend Serbs

1999-08-15 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General

 -Caveat Lector-

The Committee for National Solidarity
Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU


Subject: Rescued American Airmen Defend Serbs


An Open Letter To Our Troops In The Former Yugoslavia From Over 500 MlAs

Saved By The Serbian People During WWII


Richard L. Felman Major USAF (Ret) President National Committee of
American Airmen Rescued by General Mlhailovich, Inc. P.O. Box 17478,
 Tuscon, Arizona 85731 Tel. (520) 885-7005

During World War II, we were in the Army Air Corps list as "Missing in
Action" in the very same area you are now serving. If we may, we would
like
to relay to you a frank, soldier-to-soldier message about our personal
experience while there - something which politicians who sent you there
have
not told you and something which you have not read or seen in the
anti-Serb
media.

In 1944, the members of our committee were flying bombing missions out of
Italy over Southern Europe. During that time over 500 of us were shot down
over enemy-occupied Yugoslavia and saved from certain death by the Serbian
people. Ours was the greatest rescue of American lives from behind enemy
lines in history but has been kept under wraps all these years because of
pressure from foreign sources.

While we were there, those of us who were wounded were given whatever
medical supplies they had even at the deprivation of their own troops.
If there was
tne piece of bread in the house, or one egg, it went to the American
airmen while the Serb went hungry. If there was one bed or one blanket, it
went to us while the Serb slept on the bare ground.  No risk of sacrifice
was too great to insure our safety and well  being. One experience which
is
forever seared in my memory is the time a village with 200 women and
children
was burned to the ground by the  Germans because the Serbs would not tell
them where they were hiding us. To this day, I can smell the terrible
stench
of their burning flesh. One does not forget such things.

The most incredible part of our rescue was that before each mission, our
bomber crews were briefed by the highest levels of American intelligence
that if shot down over Yugoslavia, we were to stay away from the Serbian
people
as they were collaborating with the Germans and "cutting off the ears of
American airmen" before turning them over. Only after we were shot down
did
we find out the amazing thoroughness with which the truth about the Serbs
was being distorted.

Further compounding this deception is the fact that while the Serbs
were
our allies in WWII, Croatians and Muslims (who we are favoring today) were
allies of the Nazis, shooting at us and responsible for killing many of
our
fellow American fliers. In view of the lies we were told about the Serbs
during World War II, we could not help but wonder if our foreign policy
there today is the same anti-Serb bias we encountered 52 years ago. Could
our
career diplomats sacrifice former friends and reward former enemies in the
name of political expediency???... Could it be because in the world
community there are  over one billion Muslims and only 9 million Serbian
Orthodox
Christians with the same proportionate power in the global economy???
Could
it be because the Serbs have no oil wells and no unlimited oil money?

   Could it be because the Croatians and Muslims outspend the Serbs 50 to
one on lobbyists, media firms and campaign contributions??? ... Could
this be
why, "atrocities" are manufactured to make the Serbs look bad while
gaining
sympathy for their opponents???... Could this be why the Serbs are branded
"aggressors" in land they have lived on for over 600 years???... Could our
policy have something to do with the fact there are 540 members of
Congress,
none of whom are Orthodox Chistians???... Could the State Departnent's
bitter bias, against General Draza Mihailovich, the anti-Communist
guerrilla leader
who saved us, be based on the fact he was a Serb???

 Could these be the reasons the State Department has covered up the
truth of our rescue all these years and opposed our petition to express
gratitude
for saving over 500 American lives (a petition which is supported by the 8
million veterans of the American Legion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars and
the Air Force Association and which has been approved by the United States
Senate.)???... Could it be these are the reasons the Chairman of the House
Foreign Affairs Committee has also denied our petition by saying to us
there
are "ethnic groups in Yugoslavia" who oppose it???...

Are we mad???... You can bet your next month's paycheck that we are
mad!
We did not leave our families, risk our lives and watch our buddies get
their arms, legs and heads blown off so that "ethnic groups in Yugoslavia"
could
tell us what we could or could not do in our own country.

 Now that the spring thaw has set in, temperatures and tempers will
start to rise in the volatile area you now find yourselves. All we ask is
that in
your dealings with the local people you be 

[CTRL] more right wing violence: Spain (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

 -Caveat Lector-

Sunday Telegraph
International News
Sunday, 15 August 1999
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et/99/8/15/wspain15.html
By Giles Tremlett in Madrid

Twenty-four years after the death of General Francisco Franco, Spain is
facing a revival of violent Right-wing extremism led by young skinheads
seeking a return to the racial purity and social exclusivism practised by
the late dictator.

Far-Right gangs, which recruit in school playgrounds, on football terraces
and via the Internet, are believed to be responsible for the murders of at
least 21 people in the past eight years.  Most of the victims have been
immigrants, tramps or prostitutes.  The number of youths in organised
violent xenophobic groups has increased five-foled over the past four
years to at least 20,000 mainly grouped together in poorer city areas,
according to a government report.

The groups are characterised by their youth, by their propensity towards
violence, and by their use of the symbols of the old Franco regime.  Among
their most treasured possessions, the old Spanish flags of the Franco era,
which feature a black eagle in place of the shield on today's flag.  Some
gangs also learn the traditional Franco anthem, Cara al Sol (Face the
Sun).

New gang members are often in their early teens.  Their political
education is initially limited to information about the social groups they
are meant to hate.  "The first thing they have to do is go out on 'a
hunt,'" said Esteban Ibarra, of the Social Affairs Ministry's immigration
task force.  This involves finding immigrants or vagrants to assault.

Attacks carried out in the past month include the stabbing of a Moroccan
immigrant near Barcelona, arson at a mosque in the north-eastern
city of Girona and the burning down of a house occupied by three Gambian
families in the nearby town of Banyoles.  Mohammed, a 23-yuear-old
Moroccan, was knifed by a gang of youths after more than 1,000 people took
part in an anti-immigrant march in a poor quarter of Terrassa, an
industrial city outside of Barcelona.

"Iwas surrounded by 40 people who started kicking and beating me,"
Mohammed said from his hospital bed. "I'm still scared, so I will leave
town as soon as I am well."  Priests in Terrassa, many of whom were
involved in the anti-Franco movements of the Sixties and Seventies, said
there was a direct link between the new far-Right and the late dictator.

Manuel Saliva, a parish priest, said: "These people are actively
encouraged by the old local fascists.  They are the ideological children
of the same people who used to denounce us to Franco's police."
Immigrants comprise less than two percent of Spain's population.  But
claims that people among these new communities--particularly
Moroccans--are boosting the drug trade have helped to spread racial
hatred.

The new fascists are fully aware of the potency of two propaganda channels
that did jnot exist when Franco began his 36-year rule in 1939: rock music
and the Internet.  Fascist or racist bands with names that translate as
Klan, Punishment Brigade, Division 250 and Imperial Order decorate their
stages with Francoist and Nazi paraphernalia.

"Zionism has been cornered...the war is starting, it's the revolution of
the white race," Division 250 declaims in one of its records.  Internet
sites dedicated to these bands and to skinhead groups help to promote the
racial hatred which, according to Mr. Ibarra, is rapidly spreading from
the cities to smaller towns.

Police have used new anti-racism laws to shut down websites.  One
Barcelona-based site, which was closed last month, had received 5,000
visits in two days.  It had threatened a massacre of local immigrants.
A number of radical Right-wing groups associate themselves with leading
football clubs.  Seventy Real Madrid fans belonging to the "Ultra Sur"
group were recently sent back to Spain when they travelled to Germany for
a match and started giving fascist salutes there.

Fans from another Right-wing group that follows Atletico Madrid are
currently being tried over the killing of a young Basque.  His only crime
had been to come from a region whose separatist ambitions have always been
anathema to Spain's fascists.  Some skinheads are followers of Ricardo
Saenz de Ynestrillas, 33, the most visible leader of the new Right.

He is the son of a former Franco army officer who plotted a coup attempt
against the democratic government and was later murdered by the Basque
separatist group Eta.  His party, the Alliance for National Unity, has
held violent demonstrations across Spain. He is about to begin a seven
year prison sentnece for attempting to kill a drug dealer who refused to
supply him with cocaine.  In 1993, he was freed by a court that dismissed
charges that he had murdered a Basque parliamentary deputy, Jose Moguruza.

Police say that many of the new skinheads are more interested in violence
than in the ideology of Spain's traditional and fractured extreme Right
wing, led by the Falangists.  

[CTRL] ADL Waco.

1999-08-15 Thread William Shannon

 -Caveat Lector-

A SUBSIDIARY OF THE ADL WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOLOCAUST AT WACO

National Alliance Main Page
A HREF="http://www.natvan.com"http://www.natvan.com/A
The ADL: America's Greatest Enemy

Welcome to American Dissident Voices.  I'm Kevin Alfred Strom.

Did you know that there is a secret espionage and "dirty tricks"
agency operating with impunity in communities across the United
States, spying and maintaining files on thousands of ordinary
Americans, an organization which is not even a part of the U.S.
government?  Did you know that a former top official of this group has
stated in sworn courtroom testimony that this organization is actually
an agent of a foreign government, the government of Israel?  Did you
know that one of the biggest stories of this year, which has been
downplayed by most, though not all, of the establishment media, is the
discovery of thousands of stolen police intelligence documents and
supposedly confidential government data on thousands of Americans in
the files of this nefarious group?

This un-American and anti-American espionage agency for a foreign
government, and international conspirator against our nation and our
people's freedom is officially known as the Anti-Defamation League of
B'nai B'rith, or ADL for short.  The ADL was founded in 1913 as an
adjunct to the international Jewish fraternal order and secret
society, the "B'nai B'rith," whose name, translated literally from
Hebrew means "sons of the cut" - referring to circumcision - which is
a figure of speech usually interpreted as meaning "Sons of the
Covenant."  While posing as a public-spirited "civil rights" group,
they have been working for decades to disarm law-abiding Americans, to
control our sources of news and other information, and enslave us
under a totalitarian world government which many have come to call the
"New World Order."  They do this through overt and covert propaganda,
the creation of humanitarian-sounding front groups secretly controlled
by the ADL, by the conducting of brainwashing sessions called
"sensitivity-training" for members of our police forces, by the
production and introduction into the public schools of ADL propaganda
as "textbooks" or "resource material for teachers," and by their cozy
relationship with the controlled media, which routinely print and
broadcast ADL propaganda releases as so-called "news."  Now it is
apparent that the section of the ADL that they call their
"Fact-Finding" division has been engaging in illegal espionage against
American citizens on a scale undreamt of by the KGB.

And, ladies and gentlemen, my friends - they've just been caught in
the act.  One of the top ADL spies in this country, Mr. Roy Bullock, a
homosexual from San Francisco posing as an "art dealer" whose
specialty was the infiltration of patriotic, Arab-American, and other
organizations on behalf of the ADL, has been found to have in his
possession illegally obtained data, stolen from police and other
confidential government files; data that was also discovered in the
files of the ADL itself when police recently raided ADL headquarters
in San Francisco and Los Angeles.

We and other patriots have been telling you for many years that the
ADL was the greatest enemy of American's freedom and independence - a
far greater enemy than the KGB ever was.  Now, at long last, a few
brave and, as yet, lonely, journalists from the establishment media
have broken their decades-long silence on this dangerous group,
triggered by the police investigation of stolen files that led to Roy
Bullock and the ADL.  I often criticize the establishment media on
this program, and I think they, in general, richly deserve the
appellation "controlled media," as any reader of our research report,
Who Rules America well knows.  But let me now give credit where credit
is due, especially to the reporters at the Los Angeles Times and ABC
News, who put their careers on the line to report some of the grisly
truth about an organization which acts as though it is untouchable and
above the law.

This is a story that every American needs to hear.  It may well be the
most important story I've ever covered on American Dissident Voices.

 Let's begin this amazing story with an article from the Los Angeles
Times of 9th April, 1993, by Richard C. Paddock:
"Dateline San Francisco:  Police on Thursday served search warrants on
the Anti-Defamation League here and in Los Angeles, seizing evidence
of a nationwide intelligence network accused of keeping files on more
than 950 political groups, newspapers, and labor unions and as many as
12,000 people.

"Describing the spy operations in great detail, San Francisco
authorities simultaneously released voluminous documents telling how
operatives of the Anti-Defamation League searched through trash and
infiltrated organizations to gather intelligence an Arab-American,
right-wing, and what they called "pinko" organizations

"...Police allege that the organization maintains undercover

[CTRL] Campaign 2000 - a Socialist candidate (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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from David McReynolds


-- Forwarded message --


The Socialist Party
has its convention October 15-17 in New Jersey.  At that time I will seek
nomination as the Socialist Party's candidate for President in the year 2000.

I had been asked during the last year or two if I was considering running
"ever again" (and at 69 "ever again" has a limited shelf life).  I said no.
I'd done it once.  I was glad I'd done it, it was certainly a real honor,
but a Presidential campaign, even for a small party which will be lucky to be
on the ballot in 15 states, is a drain not only on the candidate but on many
others who work at least as hard on petitioning, fund raising, arranging
speaking dates, etc.

However a "Draft McReynolds" committee was formed, without consent, much less
my knowledge, sometime in May and on June 9th several of the younger members
of the Socialist Party asked me to join them for dinner at one of the
inexpensive Indian Restaurants on East 6th Street, here in Manhattan, at
which time they handed me a letter signed by a number of SP members and, more
important to me, people who were not in the SP, urging me to run for
President on the Socialist Party ticket.

I said it would take me a while to think the matter through.  I finally said
I would let them know on August 1, which I did, and an announcement went out
to the Socialist Party's list shortly after that saying that while I could
not in conscience be drafted  (having refused that honor during the Korean
War, I could hardly submit to it now),  I would volunteer to run.

My reasons for seeking the nomination are both political and, in a narrower
sense, organizational.  In the political sense, I believe the tradition of
democratic socialism has been largely ignored in this country.  Too many
people think "the Left" is represented by Workers World, the International
Socialist Organization, the Socialist Workers Party, or the Communist Party,
etc.  I mean no disrespect to those groups, which hold their beliefs
sincerely (and fiercely), but the traditions of a radical but peaceful
approach to social change, a tradition which champions both social justice
for all, with respect for the political and religious rights of all, must be
revived. And that is the great tradition of the Socialist Party, of Eugene
Victor Debs, Norman Thomas and Frank Zeidler. Our numbers are indeed few. But
the ideas for which we struggle are ideas which have animated humanity from
the dawn of civilization - freedom, decency, fairness, peace, justice. And we
know, having learned at great cost, that these ideas, which seem so simple
they should be shared by all, can in fact,  be carried into reality only by
great and prolonged struggle.

Also I am stunned so many on the broader left were captured by Bill and
Hillary Clinton, so much so that even on the Balkan War, which was so clearly
a violation of the United Nations Charter, many felt they had to support
Clinton.  (And some, alas, felt they had to support Belgrade and overlook the
horrendous violations of human rights in Kosova ordered by Milosevic.)

We hear talk from both Republicans and Democrats about the need to cut the
federal budget - but no one is willing to aim a spear at that sacred cow, the
military budget.  In fact, we have accepted the militarization of our country
to such a degree there is little opposition to seeing the ROTC program
carried into our High Schools. We are not even ashamed - or aware of - the
fact our nation is now the largest seller of "conventional weapons" in the
marketplace of the world. Weapons destined for oppression in lands as distant
as Indonesia. We hardly seem aware that our nuclear weapons program continues
at full tilt, as if the Cold War had never ended.

There is silence on the fact we have now become a "Gulag nation," with the
largest numbers of men and women in prison of any nation on earth - and that
these prisons are being turned into an industry - prison labor is now
competing with free labor. There is no outrage at the vast number of young
African American males who have lost their voting rights because of felony
convictions and approach the job market with this impossible strike against
them.

There is no willingness to demand a single payer medical system. We are
concerned only about making sure the middle class has decent medical care.
What about the poor? What happened to that compassion for the poor which once
marked our political life? Where is a voice raised on their behalf? For the
immigrants whose wages are so low and living conditions so poor?

Where is our concern for providing decent housing at low rent for the
millions in sub-standard housing?

There is no hint in the major parties that capitalism is the main reason for
our foreign interventions and the incredible string of human rights
violations these interventions have triggered.

We seem to think we can tackle the environmental problems without dealing
with the profit motives 

Re: [CTRL] Campaign 2000 - a Socialist candidate (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread Bill Richer

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In a message dated 8/15/99 5:08:04 PM GMT-5:00 - United States of Am,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 from David McReynolds


 -- Forwarded message --


 The Socialist Party 
Why have a Socialist Party?  The Democrats and most Republicans are Socialist
if not Communist!

Bill

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[CTRL] anyone know of this?

1999-08-15 Thread piper

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[ 39 ] Treason's Peace: German Dyes and American Dupes, Senator Howard W.
Ambruster, Beechhurst Press, New York, 1947.

does anyone know of this
reference for a Fluoridation article?

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm

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[CTRL] Swastika spray-painted on East Hollywood Temple

1999-08-15 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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Los Angeles Times
State and Local
Sunday, August 15, 1999
http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/STATE/t72750.html
By Joe Mozingo, Times Staff Writer

Congregants arriving at a synagogue in East Hollywood on Saturday were
confronted with a swastika and the words "Jews Die" spray-painted on the
front of the building overnight.

Many of those who attend services at Temple Knesset Israel on Vermont
Avenue are elderly Holocaust survivors who were horrified by the act of
hatred.  Officers from the Los Angeles Police Department's Northeast
station documented the vandalism and notified the department's crimincal
conspiracy section.

"I believe it's a copycat thing.  Somebody wants a little press," said
Sgt. Sanford Rosenberg, referring to last week's shooting at a Jewish
community center in Granada Hills.

He said whoever committed the crime would be charged with felony vandalism
for defacing a place of worship and would face increased penalties for
committing a hate crime.  In the temple's mailbox, offcers found a letter
that appeared to be anti-British.

"It doesn't make sense," one officer said. The letter was confusing, at
times saying the British were going to start interning people, she said.

The temple's president, Harvey Shield, is British.

Shield said that in light of the incident he will hire a private security
guard for the holy days in September.  Last week, when congregants
suggested increasing security after Tuesday's shooting, he said he was
reluctant to do so.  "My initial response was: 'Let's not overreact so
quickly,'" he said.  "Now there is no question about it."

Police said they will step up patrols in the area.

The painted letters, scrawled at the entrance to the preschool, were about
six feet high.  The doors to the temple have gates in fron of them, making
it difficult for vandals to reach them, but owrshipers could easily see
the hateful message as the they stepped inside.  Shield said about a dozen
people saw the swastika.

Police painted over the graffiti Saturday morning, but worshipers were
still worried.

"Can we get some protection here for the rest of the morning?" parishioner
Frances Miller asked Rosenberg.  "I'm afraid to be here now."  The
sixty-one year old Los Feliz resident said much of her family who had
perished during the Holocaust in Poland and her three cousins who survived
for months by hiding in ahole in a cemetery under a fallen tombstone.  She
broke into tears when she saw the vandalism.

"This could be a warning," she said, adding that she is always wary of
hate crimes.  "I don't like to be in any large groups that could be
targeted by a hate group."

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[CTRL] *NEW* Decoding the Dead Sea Scrolls *NEW*

1999-08-15 Thread Bard

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http://www.msnbc.com/news/299206.asp

Scientists use
digital methods
to rediscover
missing text.

By Margie Wylie
NEWHOUSE NEWS SERVICE

Aug. 10 —  Inscribed near the time of Jesus, stored in caves for two
millennia and uncovered in 1947, a wrinkled scrap of leather stored in
Teaneck, N.J., hid the key to an ancient psalm. The Dead Sea Scrolls
fragment was almost more holy relic than historical artifact before
archaeologist Robert Johnston and his fellow researchers came along. Using a
digital camera and computer-driven analysis, Johnston’s team did what is
becoming increasingly commonplace. They made the ancient document speak.

OUT OF A blackened patch emerged several lines, among them: “Blessed
is the Lord who causes us to rejoice, for that is why you created us.”
   “The characters popped right out; to be able to see writing that had
not been seen for over 2,000 years was very exciting,” says the Rev. John
Peter Meno of St. Mark’s Cathedral in Teaneck. Meno is general secretary of
the Eastern United States archdiocese of the Syrian Orthodox Church, which
owns the fragment.
   The find eventually yielded what is being called a harvest hymn, a
never-before-seen Jewish psalm.

IMAGING TECHNOLOGIES
   Johnston and his colleagues have been pioneering ways to use imaging
technologies once reserved for spies and astronomers to mine the secrets of
ancient texts blackened or faded by time.
   The team, sponsored by Eastman Kodak Co. and Xerox Corp., has been
experimenting with multispectral imaging at the Rochester (N.Y.) Institute
of Technology’s Chester F. Carlson Center for Imaging Sciences, of which
Johnston is dean.
   The imaging techniques were developed to enable spy satellites to
identify, for example, an army tank hidden by fog or a jungle canopy. In the
case of ancient texts, it helps researchers differentiate between ink and
background by detecting minute differences in the light waves (or spectra)
they reflect.
   Light visible to the naked eye has wavelengths in the range of 400 to
700 nanometers, or billionths of a meter. Using a digital camera sensitive
to light ranging from 200 nanometers (ultraviolet) to 1,100 nanometers
(infrared), the researchers photograph documents in light of several
different wavelengths until they find the ones that offer the most detail.
Ink may reflect light at, say, 900 nanometers, while the blackened leather
in the background might reflect at 910 nanometers. A computer, analyzing the
differences, can identify hidden characters.

CRUCIAL NUGGETS
   Typically, Johnston’s team extracts only tiny, though crucial,
nuggets.
   Looking at a rare red-ink scroll of the Old Testament Book of Samuel
yielded only one previously unknown character. Still, “the scholar involved
was so thrilled that he went out and wrote whole papers on it,” says Keith
T. Knox, a member of Johnston’s team and a principal scientist at Xerox’s
Digital Imaging Technology Center in Webster, N.Y.
   Among the thoroughly mined texts of the Dead Sea Scrolls, they found
only 18 new characters in their examination of color photos of the Temple
Scroll — which at 28 feet is the longest mostly intact scroll.
   So the harvest hymn find, on a scrap of liturgical scroll, was a
virtual mother lode. When combined with other scroll fragments and
translated by professor George J. Brooke of the University of Manchester in
England, it read: “The Festival of our Peace. The fruit became plump due to
the Heavens and the produce of the Earth of living things, so we give thanks
to your name, forever. Blessed is the Lord who causes us to rejoice, for
that is why You created us.”
   The Dead Sea Scrolls were written in the Semitic language of Aramaic
between 250 B.C. and A.D. 68 and hidden in caves near Qumran, which some
scholars think was an ancient Jewish settlement. The writings shed light on
aspects of early Jewish religious and secular life during the era when
Romans sacked Jerusalem, around A.D. 70, and as Christianity was dawning.
   “These things are so fragile, they can just crumble at a touch,” Meno
says. “The amazing thing about this technology is it allows us to literally
see through it to other layers of writing without ever touching these very
fragile artifacts.”

JUST THE BEGINNING
   The Dead Sea Scrolls are only the beginning. Johnston next hopes to
image a 10th-century copy of the works of the Greek mathematician
Archimedes. The text was washed off its leather pages in the 12th century
and overwritten with stories of Christian saints, a common practice in those
times, Johnston says.
   The group did some initial imaging work on the text when it was
auctioned by Christie’s of London, and in July they submitted to its new
owners a proposal to try to uncover the entire document. Now, however, they
have competition.
   “Since I got started in the early 1990s, there has been a boom in
imaging science,” Johnston says.
   

Re: [CTRL] Campaign 2000 - a Socialist candidate (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 8/15/99 2:10:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

  The Socialist Party 
 Why have a Socialist Party?  The Democrats and most Republicans are Socialist
 if not Communist! 


===Clearly Bill you don't know the meaning of the words socialism or
communism.
Why do right-wingers have so much difficulty with these terms???


Bill.

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[CTRL] Pinay Cercle- Bilderbergers Evil Sister?

1999-08-15 Thread William Shannon

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CIRCLE OF POWER
Perhaps more sinister, and certainly more shadowy than the Bilderbergers, the
"Pinay Cercle" is an "Atlanticist" right-wing organisation of serving  and
retired intelligence operatives, military officers and politicians that
conspired to "affect" changes in government. Amongst other things they claim
credit for engineering the election of Margaret Thatcher in the U.K. and may
have been behind the ousting of Australia’s Gough Whitlam.

By David Guyatt




Now almost forgotten, the decade of the "Seventies" was a time of immense
political upheaval, dirty tricks and incessant rumours of right-wing military
Coup d’etats in leading western democracies. Amongst the long list of
resulting casualties of this "decade of tension" were Britain’s Prime
Ministers: Harold Wilson and Ted Heath, Australia’s Gough Whitlam, Sweden’s
Olaf Palme, America’s Jimmy Carter and France’s Francois Mitterand. The more
southern flanks of Nato’s European axis: Portugal, Spain, Turkey and Greece
converted rumour into chilling fact via the steel-blue glaze of gun-barrels.
Italy, home of Pizza, the Pope, and Propaganda Due (P2) came in for its own
brand of political fixit, courtesy of Uncle Sam’s very own CIA.

As the decade of the "eighties" slowly slipped above the now less than pink
eastern horizon, right-wing beneficiaries of a co-ordinated international
destabilisation programme gave their heart-felt thanks. Among them were
Britain’s Iron Lady, Margaret Thatcher - Madonna of the Armaments industry -
and America’s less brittle, and considerably less acute, Ronald Reagan -
humble originator of the mega-tax-buck-swallowing SDI "Star Wars" programme
and also, thus, a valued friend of the boys at Guns R Us International.

These two decades saw a proliferation of right-wing, quasi official and
secretive groups that co-ordinated intelligence, propaganda and undertook
covert black-operations around the globe. One of the most shadowy of all is
the "Pinay Cercle", named after its founder Antoine Pinay, Premier of France
in 1951. Known more simply as "Le Cercle" it is recognised as a more
clandestine sister organisation to the already very secretive Bilderberg
Group1 - a "behind-the-scenes ‘invisible’ influence" network.

Both groups share a familiar membership which includes Henry Kissinger,
Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockerfeller. Each of these three luminaries of
the international power network are, in addition to the foregoing,
influential members of The Trilateral Commission and the Council for Foreign
Relations as well as being regular attendees at Britain’s "Chatham House" -
The Royal Institute of International Studies - shadowy twin to America’s CFR.

Antoine Pinay was extremely influential in Europe and the United States,
where he had forged links with President Nixon. Pinay attended the Bilderberg
inaugural meeting in Oosterbeek, Holland during May 1952. By 1969, Pinay
together with Jean Violet, a Lawyer working for the French Intelligence
Service SDECE, and Archduke Otto von Habsburg, heir to the Austrian throne,
formed Le Cercle, and secretly began recruiting men of influence as members.

The intention was to shift the political climate of Europe to the far right
via a secretly financed campaign of propaganda, and to establish a private
intelligence service that would work, unofficially, with the existing
security apparatus of the west. Author Stephen Dorrill also believes there
are serpentine inter-connections between Le Cercle and the Gladio network, a
"stay-behind anti communist"   military guerrilla force set up by Nato’s
Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) during the "fifties", that
was largely composed of ex Nazi’s.

Le Cercle has a different flavour to Bilderberg, however. The latter is an
important link to the overt "influence" organisations cited above and almost
certainly focuses its efforts on the broader political issues, being careful
to keep well-away from "direct actions". Le Cercle has a much more "hands on"
role. Interestingly, its membership is more heavily composed of serving or
former members of various Intelligence Services, senior military officers as
well as politicians, bankers and VIP’s with right wing connections. The
"Cercle" was unknown until 1500 internal documents of the rightist (and Le
Cercle funded) Institute for the Study of Conflict, were leaked to Time Out
Magazine in 1975. Subsequently the documents have gone missing. At the time
ISC was headed by CIA agent and "Cercle" Chairman, Brian Crozier who was
heavily involved in another covert action group known simply as "The 61."

Unknown to Crozier, Hans von Machtenburg (a pseudonym) a senior intelligence
official of Germany’s Intelligence service, BND, (and a member of Crozier’s
"61") had been exchanging full reports on Crozier’s secret get-together’s
with Hans Langemann, formerly a senior ranking officer of Germany’s
Intelligence Service, the BND and latterly Head of Bavarian State Security.
In a 

Re: [CTRL] Campaign 2000 - a Socialist candidate (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread Bill Richer

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In a message dated 8/15/99 5:30:44 PM GMT-5:00 - United States of Am,
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 ===Clearly Bill you don't know the meaning of the words socialism or
 communism.
 Why do right-wingers have so much difficulty with these terms???
  
Clearly you are confused by Democrats and Republicans like most American's
who don;t know their Constitution.  As far as being Right, I'm not, I'm a
Christian and follow Christian rules and live by the rules set up by the
Constitution set by our Founding Fathers.

Bill

PS Communists are Socialists who want to bring Scocialism by Revolution.
Utopian Socialists are Socialists who wish to bring Socialism into being a
step at a time in peaceful ways.  Yet clearly both are a danger!

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Re: [CTRL] Campaign 2000 - a Socialist candidate (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread Ric Carter

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From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   The Socialist Party 
  Why have a Socialist Party?  The Democrats and most Republicans are
  Socialist if not Communist! 

 ===Clearly Bill you don't know the meaning of the words socialism or
 communism.
 Why do right-wingers have so much difficulty with these terms???

Differently-abled.  Dysfunctional comprehension.  Creative definitions.
Or, people believe whatever the hell they want to believe.  It doesn't
matter what the consensus definitions of 'socialism', 'capitalism',
'communism', 'democracy', 'republic', 'tyranny etc may be - some folks
like to stick with their own personal definitions, rather like the Red
Queen: "Words mean whatever *I* say they mean."

Now, in some cases, certain words *must* have very specific definitions.
When I use the term 'entertainment' in a technical discussion, I mean
"whatever people do to organize and occupy their time when they're not
doing anything useful."  Most political/economic/religious/artistic/sports
discussions are examples of entertainment, using that definition.  But
when people define socialism/communism as being ANY community/gov't
intrusion in economic activity, they're just plain wrong.  Bother.

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Re: [CTRL] Bush Refuses to Answer Rumors of Cocaine

1999-08-15 Thread Yardbird

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Why? It's just one more way for the political weasels to avoid taking
responsibility for their past/present actions.
Jamieson



On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

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 Well better he should refuse to answer than to lie about it.  I know how
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Re: [CTRL] Campaign 2000 - a Socialist candidate (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 8/15/99 2:41:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 PS Communists are Socialists who want to bring Scocialism by Revolution.
 Utopian Socialists are Socialists who wish to bring Socialism into being a
 step at a time in peaceful ways.  Yet clearly both are a danger!
 

===Yeah sure, a big threat...unlike the theocratic numbskulls who've taken
over the republican party right?

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Campaign 2000 - a Socialist candidate (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread Bill Richer

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  PS Communists are Socialists who want to bring Scocialism by Revolution.
  Utopian Socialists are Socialists who wish to bring Socialism into being a
  step at a time in peaceful ways.  Yet clearly both are a danger!
  

 ===Yeah sure, a big threat...unlike the theocratic numbskulls who've taken
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As I said before most Democrats  Republicans are Socialist Wolves in
Republicrat sheep's clothing!

Bill

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[CTRL] Cassini Fly-By This Tuesday.

1999-08-15 Thread William Shannon

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 Cassini Fly-by Nears

 Spaceship Carrying Plutonium Will Pass Close to Earth

The plans are for Cassini to be captured by Saturn's gravity for a 5-month
orbit. The $3.4-billion mission will offer an up close look at the planet and
its rings. (Jet Propulsion Laboratory)




By Matthew Fordahl
The Associated Press
P A S A D E N A, Calif., Aug. 14 — A two-story, $3.4 billion spacecraft
carrying a load of deadly plutonium will zoom within 725 miles of Earth this
week to gain momentum for the final leg of its meandering, seven-year voyage
to Saturn.
 Cassini’s return, two years after NASA launched the largest and most
expensive unmanned spacecraft ever, poses virtually no risk, mission
officials say.
 But anti-nuclear activists, concerned over the 72 pounds of carcinogenic
cargo, aren’t so sure.
 “The fact is space technology can and does fail,” said Bruce Gagnon of
the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. “And when you
start using nuclear materials in increasing numbers, the odds of an accident
increase.”
 The flyby at 8:28 p.m. PDT Tuesday will use Earth’s gravity to change
the probe’s direction and speed relative to the sun. Without the “gravity
assist” and two previous close encounters with Venus and a future flyby of
Jupiter, the probe would never reach its destination in 2004 to study
Saturn’s rings and moons.
Chances of Re-Entry Small
The probe will approach Earth at about 35,000 mph. Its speed will increase by
about 11,000 mph after the swingby. At its closest point over the South
Pacific, the probe might be visible from Pitcairn or the Easter islands.
 NASA has used planets’ gravity to fling its probes through space since
1973. The plutonium-powered Galileo probe to Jupiter twice swung by Earth in
the early 1990s at altitudes much lower than Cassini’s closest point.
 The chances of an accidental re-entry of Cassini are about 1 in 1.2
million, according to a NASA estimate.
 “It’s just not a credible event,” said Bob Mitchell, Cassini’s program
manager at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena. “I’m not telling you
it’s impossible, but it’s just not credible.”
 Activists fear that some sort of navigation or human error could cause
the craft to burn up in the Earth’s atmosphere, showering the planet with
deadly plutonium dioxide.

Plutonium Powers Instruments
The spacecraft requires plutonium not for propulsion but to power its dozen
scientific instruments. The probe’s three radioisotopic thermoelectric
generators, or RTGs, convert heat from the naturally decaying plutonium into
electricity.
 The units were built especially strong in case of an accident during
launch or flyby. Each pellet is boxed in layers of heat- and
corrosion-resistant iridium and graphite.
 Mitchell said for re-entry to occur, a failure aboard the probe would
have to cause an exact change in its speed before the flyby. And then
something would have to happen to prevent NASA from transmitting corrective
orders.
 “We’ve been flying this thing for two years now and we got a lot of
practice,” he said.
 Even if the capsules were to vaporize during an accidental re-entry, the
effects on Earth’s population over 50 years would be less than the amount of
radiation from dental X-rays or a round-trip flight across the United States,
according to NASA.

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[CTRL] SPLC Report:The Rise of the National Alliance

1999-08-15 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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Southern Poverty Law Center Report on the National Alliance
http://www.www.splcenter.org

The neo-Nazi organization that may have inspired the Oklahoma City bombing
continues to flourish.

West Virginia-based National Alliance--headed for two decades by one of
the Patriot movement's intellectual godfathers, William Pierce--is growing
at unprecedented levels.  In recent years, Pierce has aggressively used
the internet and the airwaves to bring in hundreds of new recruits, among
them, followers of the anti-government Patriot Movement and members of the
nation's armed forces.

In expanding his organization, Pierce has capitalized on the Oklahoma City
bombing.  The government's chief suspect Timothy McVeigh is reportedly a
zealous advocate of Pierce's inflammatory 1978 race war novel, THE TURNER
DIARIES.  The book depicts a truck bombing remarkably similar to the
Oklahoma City blast.

Pierce has warned of more terrorist attacks.

The organization's growing influence among Patriots and the military, plus
its ideological connections to the Oklahoma bombing, make it the most
dangerous hate group operating in North America today.



Pierce's long-range goal is to ignite a worldwide race war and establish
an Aryan utopia in North America--a fascist society free of Jews, blacks,
other racial minorities, and most important, the "traitors" to the white
race so openly hated by Pierce and his neo-Nazi followers.

As his organization and influence grow, Pierce has made his objectives
clear.  "We are in a war for the survival of our race...that ultimately we
cannot win...except by killing our enemies."

William Pierce, fascist

Pierce is the ultimate fascist---a neo-Nazi's neo-Nazi who has described
Adolf Hitler as the "greatest man of our era."

An intellectual in a movement not noted for its great thinkers, the
soft-spoken, pespectacled Pierce holds a doctorate in physics from the
University of Colorado.  From 1962 to 1965, he was an assistant professor
of physics at Oregon State University. From 1965 to 1966, he was employed
as a senior research scientist by the Advanced Materials Research and
Development Laboratory of United AIrcraft's Pratt and Whitney Division in
Connecticut.

Like many racist intellectuals of his era, the Atlanta-born Pierce began
his sojourn into the extremist right as a member of the JOhn Birch
Society.  In 1966 he abandoned his job and the Birchers for full time
neo-Nazi activism, apprenticing under Ameica's then most notorious
neo-Nazi, George Lincoln Rockwell, founder of the American Nazi Party.
Pierce soon became one of ROckwell's most trusted lieutenants.  After
ROckwell's assassination in 1967, Pierce quickly rose to the top of the
organization.  By the early 1970s, he was leading a neo-Nazi splinter
group--the National YOuth Alliance--that became today's National
Allliance.

In 1985, Pierce moved National Alliance headquarters from the Washington,
D.C., suburb of Arlington, Virginia, to a 265 adcre site in rural
Pocahontas COunty, West VIrginia.  He said he wanted to escape constant
reminders that the white race was in decline and that the country had been
taken over by "non-whites, race-mixers, homosexuals and feminists."

Under Pierce's leadership, the National Alliance is committed not only to
a racist agenda, but to a fascist one as well.  In Pierce's imagined Aryan
utopia, those whites who remain after all non-whites and other "enemies"
are purged will not have an equal voice.  "In the long run, ...we want an
honest government, not one which hides behind the carefully managed
illusion that tens of millions of voters are its real rulers."  Pierce
envisions a government "more like a holy order than like any existing
secular government today."

The central task of this new government "will be to reverse the racially
devolutionary course of the last few milleninia and keep it reversed: a
long-term eugenics program involving at least the entire populations of
EUrope and AMerica." A period of "temporary unpleasantness" will precede
this long-term effort to rebuild the Aryan master race.  Pierce wrote in a
recent report to his members.  "All the homosexuals, race-mixers, and
hard-case collaborators in the country who are too far gone to be
re-educated can be rounded up , packed into 10,000 or so railroad cattle
cars, and eventually double-timed into an abandoned coal mine in a few
days time."


"Modern Day Goebbels"

Pierce is the white supremacist movement's undisputed master of
propaganda.  HIs skills have earned him a reputation as a "modern day
Goebbels.  Thousands of copies of the National Alliance's pamphlet, "Who
Rules America," have been distributed.  The tract, which claims that a
Jewish cabal controls the media, the government and the world monetary
system , is a staple of the group's vast propaganda machine, National
Vanguard Books.

Through that operation, Pierce markets his own two powerful racist novels,
HUNTER, published in 1989, and his most widely 

[CTRL] Fwd: Kennedy Crash Witness Heard Bomb

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan





8.15.99
Kennedy Crash "Ear"-witness Heard A "Bomb"


Right on the heels of FAA flight/weather specialist Edward Meyer, based
at NY's LaGuardia Airport, publishing a statement saying ALL "official"
public statements on the (causes of) Kennedy crash made to date, as
published in mass media, are "nothing but garbage," we NOW get some very
significant testimony from one of the witnesses to an "explosive event"
west-southwest of Philbin Beach on Martha's Vineyard around 9:40 PM July
16; a Mr. Victor Pribanic

In fact, this witness, a Pittsburgh-area attorney, clearly describes the
shattering explosion he heard as "a BOMB." What lends further
credibility to this statement form this very high-quality witness (see
the article below to understand why I say this about Pribanic), as WELL
as to various accounts alleging the plane was destroyed BEFORE IT EVER
HIT THE WATER, is that the location of the explosion Pribanic heard
which he pinpointed to local police turned out to be the exact location
the wreckage of Kennedy's plane was found!

PLEASE, read this article below; and then forward it, along with the
EXTRAORDINARILY damning FAA Specialist's statement --
http://www.sightings.com/politics4/garbage.htm --
to everyone you think will benefit from the knowledge and to EVERY
SINGLE MEDIA OUTLET possible. If you need a list of media email
addresses let us know.

John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.


forwarded by agreement with author


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
THE EXPLOSIVE STORY
A second opinion on the Kennedy crash

by Anthony J. Hilder

Victor Pribanic often goes to Martha's Vineyard to fish for those big
striped bass which lay in abundance off the south end of the island. The
remnants of the old boardwalk is still there, along with some of the
steel poles stuck where the old-timers came from one of the fishing
clubs that drew crowds there in the late 1800's. Those places are all
closed now. But those who know "the right spot" off Squidnocket Point
still take the trip to fish at night in hopes they'll bag some big bass.

Vic Pribanic was there fishing the night that JFK Jr.'s airplane was on
its approach to the island's overlit airport when the murdered
president's only son radioed the control tower at 9:39 p.m. that he was
about 10 miles off the island and would drop off his sister-in-law,
Lauren Bessette and then take off again between 11 p.m. and 11:30 p.m.
for the Hyannis Airport. United Press International, ABC News and
WCVB-TV fully confirmed this story. All was well and the sky was
moderately clear. There was just a little haze when Kennedy got his
first view of the lights beaming up from the bright street lamps that
the locals there have complained so much about in both the Martha's
Vineyard Gazette and Martha's Vineyard Times.

For JFK Jr., his wife and her sister, the lights were welcome sight,
knowing that their flight was just about over. The airplane, a Piper
Saratoga and its world-renowned pilot and passengers, had been
identified from JFK Jr.'s call, and their exact location was noted on
the radar screen. THEY HAD A FIX ON HIM. And then it all happened. BAM !!

As sudden as a lightining bolt, Pribanic turned abruptly towards the
explosion: "I heard a loud impact like a bomb", said Pribanic, a skilled
trial lawyer from White Oak, Pennsylvania. At first he thought it could
have been the military, exploding one of their bombs off of No-Man's
Island, a small island off the shore. But that couldn't be. It was at
night. And they stopped that years ago. Nonetheless, the explosion
sounded nearly identical and came seemingly from the sky out over the ocean.

Victor Pribanic, an innocent small-town Pennsylvania lawyer, was to bag
a 35-pound striper "that night" as well as a story that will change the
course of the country for all time!!

What we have here is a very reputable "ear-witness" to JFK Jr.'s Piper
Saratoga being blown out of the sky - at the exact time and location the
plane went down.

Others that evening witnessed seeing a "bright flash" in the night sky.
A finely-tuned, well-kept first-class airplane doesn't just drop out of
the sky and head straight down into the ocean unless it's blown out of
the sky or the pilot deliberately sends it into a dive to kill himself
and his passengers.

If the latter happened, it would imply that JFK Jr. was either an idiot
or insane.

Neither of which was true.

The "managed media" report that he was flying in "bad weather" is an
absolute lie and we can prove it with both witnesses and photographs, so
that the story will no longer fly.

What does this mean? Does it mean:

1) that JFK Jr., his wife and sister-in-law were murdered as soon as the
killers ID'd his plane on its approach for a landing? Yes! It means
exactly that.

2) that those who "control" the MEDIA SPIN and those who own the
"managed media" who tell their editors and reporters what to write, what
to print and what to show, COVERED UP THIS CRIME? Exactly! Before your
very eyes!

3) that those in the 

[CTRL] Ethical Foreign Policy

1999-08-15 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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 August 13, 1999

 Kosovo - New Dawn For An Ethical Foreign Policy?
 By Oxford Analytica

 The success of NATO in forcing the Serbian army to quit Kosovo
 has led some western leaders, notably the UK Prime Minister Tony
 Blair, to espouse a new "moral" emphasis in foreign policy. While
 a complete abandonment of self-interest for ethics can be
 dismissed, there are important new factors affecting the conduct
 of international affairs, which vary in regional applicability.

 NATO's intervention in Kosovo has helped reinforce the belief
 that ethical and moral considerations are eclipsing traditional
 calculations of national self-interest in international affairs.
 This assertion is associated with a wider argument that regional
 political integration, the rise of transnational issues
 (international crime, notably drugs and terrorism), and economic
 globalization have undermined state-based definitions of
 international relations. It is within this context that
 conceptions of a new ethically-based foreign policy have been
 forged.

 This theory, at least in its most sweeping character, is
 relatively easy to discredit. For instance, the United States -
 without whom any coordinated international action is difficult -
 displays a considerable reluctance to bear the human cost of
 foreign interventions. Moreover, in the post-Cold War world,
 so-called value-based policies have been applied inconsistently.
 While NATO chose to liberate Kosovo, none of the alliance members
 intervened in Chechnya, and French involvement in Rwanda was
 driven by traditional francophone interests. This problem is not
 helped by the lack of consensus, even within the Western world,
 about definitions of "universal rights."

 Nevertheless, there are a number of new features of the post-Cold
 War world that are relatively distinctive. The blurring of the
 differences between "moral" and "interest" based foreign policies
 has created more opportunities for an ethically-driven exercise
 of political authority.

 These factors include:

 - The declining number of traditional state-on-state security
 issues (ranging from external intimidation to hostile conquests)
 over the last decade and the increase in internal conflicts
 structured around civil wars or the complete implosion of state
 authority.

 - A notable philosophical shift, particularly in the United
 States, towards the idea of a limited number of crimes against
 humanity. These developments were initially influenced by the
 Holocaust and are now widely accepted as legitimate reasons for
 intruding into the internal affairs of a sovereign state. The
 U.S. government was, for example, exceedingly reluctant to
 describe the events in Rwanda five years ago as genocide for fear
 that this would oblige them to intervene.

 - An acceptance of at least a modest link between the internal
 structures of states (democracies or dictatorships, market or
 totalitarian economies) and the nature of their foreign policy.
 In general terms, dictatorships are seen as a potential danger to
 more than their own citizens. This provides a "moral" and
 "self-interested" reason to resist them. There is also a wider
 acceptance of the idea of a "contagion" effect, whereby
 instability in one part of a region may prove a threat to the
 rest of the area if not contained or eliminated.

 While the previous three developments are potentially reversible,
 there is another secular force at work. Modern military
 technology may mean that traditional ideas of conflict based
 largely on the quantity of hardware are being replaced by a new
 doctrine, centered on the quality of equipment. This could allow
 states, in certain circumstances, to feel that they can wage
 "ethical" wars at tolerable costs.

 However, these ideas have different geographical implications and
 amount to a more complex mosaic than a single "new world order"
 influenced by moral concerns. In generalized terms, this can be
 summarized in a four-fold regional division.

 - States where stability is the norm and neither ethical nor
 interested intervention is likely to be needed. Such regions
 include the nations of North America (and increasingly Latin
 America), Western Europe (and increasingly North-eastern Europe),
 Japan (subject to the behavior of North Korea) and Australasia.

 - States where instability is commonplace and where the costs of
 intervention are deemed so high (and the returns so low) as to
 preclude either ethical or even self-interested action. Such
 regions include the majority of the developing world, especially
 sub-Saharan Africa.

 - States whose size and character means that direct intervention
 for either ethical or self-interested motives is hopelessly
 impractical. These would include Russia, China and in all
 probability India and Pakistan. Outside activity here must be
 diplomatic, or at best, economic, in nature.

 - States that fall into key "borderline" areas where ethical
 

Re: [CTRL] Bush Refuses to Answer Rumors of Cocaine

1999-08-15 Thread John Szocik

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How "typical" can he get?! This is a classic politician's dodge of a question
if I ever heard one.This guy is such a transparent liar it's pathetic. His
"spin doctors" have coached him well regarding this inevitable question
coming up.
"Don't deny it, just give a lame excuse as to why you won't answer the
question"
This is how it may have been put to the spoiled brat by his nitwit crew.
How ironic,daddy brings the stuff in to the country, while preaching to the
public about the alleged drug war he's so much behind.His father was a liar
of huge proportions, and so is he.
The voters need to send a message to this family-WE DO NOT WANT YOU!!
If the voters of this country have a conscience, then "write in " a candidate
on your ballot. Show the politicians that we will not stand for their lousy
qualities!
JOHN

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Re: [CTRL] Campaign 2000 - a Socialist candidate (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread Bob Stokes

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In a message dated 99-08-15 17:43:17 EDT, Ric Carter writes:

  But
 when people define socialism/communism as being ANY community/gov't
 intrusion in economic activity, they're just plain wrong.  Bother. 

In socialism/communism government owns the means of production, if that isn't
intrusion in economic activity ... What IS?   If you choose to answer, please
use common english rather than riddles.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [SC] Re: Kansas Board of Education vote on Evolution

1999-08-15 Thread Bob Stokes

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In a message dated 99-08-15 10:47:40 EDT, James writes:

 You obviously never talked to me.

Correct.

 The evolution of a new species does not mean that the basic stock
 either goes existence, or that there must only be one descendent
 branch.  Consider that wolves, dogs and foxes descend from a common
 ancestor, but the rise of one to fill an ecological niche doesn't
 mean that the others must go extinct.

Only believers in the scientific religion of evolution would believe that
dogs, foxes and wolves come from the same ancestor.  Dogs  wolves maybe,
they are nearly the same, I don't know about foxes.

 Humans and apes descended from a common ancestor.  The rise of humans
 does not mean that apes must have been replaced.

Again, this is the dogma of the evolutionist.  There is no way to prove that
humans and apes are from a common ancestor.

 You could extend this nonsense argument to ask why there are still
 fish when amphibians exist, or why are there still amphibians when
 there are reptiles, or why there are still reptiles when there are
 mammals, or why there are still dinosaurs when there are birds, uh,
 strike that last one :-).

I don't believe that amphibians came from fish, so I would not make that
analogy.

 Gravity is "just a theory".

You can observe gravity.

 If you believe that there is no evidence for evolution, you have
 either never seriously look for evidence, or are being willfully
 ignorant.

Your opinion

 You seem to have a skewed idea of what a "theory" is.  A theory is
 not shorthand for just any random idea.

A theory is called a theory because it cannot be proven.

 Evolution was not just "pulled out of scientist's asses."  Evolution
 has a lot of data behind it.  It comes in all forms and ranges from
 fossils to astrophysics to geology to microbiology.  We can even look
 at agriculture to see a form of human-directed evolution of food
 crops and animal breeding.

Did you take probability and statistics in college?  If you did you know that
data can be manipulated/skewed to favor one's analysis (theory).  Can
scientists trace the evolution of the first microbe to man with fossils ... I
haven't seen this.


 Please post a copy of this alleged "government charter" for NAMBLA.
 At least post information on what governmental agency issued this
 charter.

I trashed all the information I had on this organization, however you can
look them up on the web at http://www.nambla.org

One of the articles I read stated that the IRS recognises this organization
as a non-profit entity.  That's close enough to government recognition to me.

 As for what this has to do with evolution vs. creation, I can't see.
 It seems to me just a typical "muddy the water" nonsense argument by
 someone who just doesn't have any facts on their side of the argument.  

Scientists think only they are correct and therefore only their opinion
(theories) matter.  I don't see it that way.  I see science as being corrupt.

Example:  The Food  Drug Administration (FDA) is run by scientists
(controlled by govt.) and they put Nutra Sweet (aspartame) on the market as a
sweetener and raided a Texas company (health food store?) that sold srevia
and even made them burn their books on using stevia as a substitute for sugar
or aspartame.

Aspartame is a chemical substance that many doctors and scientists also have
evidence that it is harmful to humans.  Stevia is a natural plant that is
about 1000 times sweeter than sugar with nearly no calories, it also doesn't
turn into formaldehyde when exposed to high room temperatures.

This is one reason why I don't trust scientists.  There are other reasons,
but not as blatant as this one.

I also do not believe preachers because they seem to want only money and do
not adhere to the Bible teachings they purport to teach.  Again, with the
issuing of licenses, government has perverted religion, much as it has done
with science.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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Re: [CTRL] Gloves Off in the Garden State (fwd)

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Further ammo for my argument with my husband that we should get the
hell out of New Jersey. Thanks.

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Re: [CTRL] more right wing violence: Spain (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread Tenorlove

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Seventy Real Madrid fans belonging to the "Ultra Sur" group were
recently sent back to Spain when they travelled to Germany for a match
and started giving fascist salutes there. Fans from another Right-wing
group that follows Atletico Madrid are currently being tried over the
killing of a young Basque. 

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Re: [CTRL] The Protocols

1999-08-15 Thread TenebrousT

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  Do omnipotent conspiracies exist that control information,
  politics, economics?  Unknowable - if such conspiracies DO exist, all one
  THINKS one knows about them derives from data that they control; thus the
  conspiratorialist is their dupe, manipulated by all their leaks, their
  disinfo campaigns.

Not so, since even "grand" conspiracies can't control all information all the
time.  It is possible to get unmodified information and form an opinion.  It
is true though that since much of what is disseminated is controlled as
disinformation (or truth if it suits their purpose) it is difficult to KNOW
if any given conspiracy is in fact "real".  It is not unknowable, just
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[CTRL] [1] Unhealed Wounds

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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excerpts from:
Unhealed Wounds - France and the Klaus Barbie Affair
Erna Paris©1985 All Rights Reserved
ISBN 0-394-55390-X
Grove Press, Inc.
196 West Houston St.
New York, NY 10014
Methuen Publications, Canada(1985)
252pps. - first edition - out-of-print
--[1]--

-2-

THE EARLY LIFE AND TIMES OF KLAUS BARBIE

No document of the early Nazi years conveyed the mesmerizing influence of
Adolf Hitler with greater immediacy than Leni Riefenstahl's dazzling film,
Triumph of the Will. Riefenstahl is fond of calling her work a documentary,
but in reality it is one of the most significant propaganda films ever made.
Financed by the Nazis and produced with the direct approval of both Hitler
and Goebbels, Triumph of the Will is a precise and accurate representation of
the mood, the ambiance and the message the Nazi movement wished to convey to
the German people in 1934.

Triumph of the Will represents a radical transformation of history into
theater.[1] Riefenstahl went to Nuremberg with 30 cameras and 121
technicians, and the plans for the rally itself were coordinated with plans
for the film. When original footage was accidentally spoiled, Julius
Streicher, Alfred Rosenberg, Rudolf Hess and Hans Frank were ordered to
reconsecrate themselves to Hitler the following week, without an audience.
(They replayed their parts with appropriate histrionics.) Significantly,
however, the delay did not matter, for the pageant at Nuremberg was conceived
to straddle the worlds of fantasy and reality and to conjure up echoes of
other collectively ecstatic events in the history of mankind. To watch
thousands move and march as one, then pledge their loyalty in a single
roaring voice -the voice of the "nation" raised in joyous submission to the
triumphant will of the nation's leader — is, even now, to experience other
images from the past: a medieval pageant in pomp and riotous color, banners
waving in symbolic homage to the glory of God; or a swell of collective
rapture as believers pledge themselves to a holy crusade against the infidel.
Our movement is "a holy order" cries Hitler to the faithful who listen with
rapturous attention. "I believe I am acting in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator; by defending myself against the Jew I am fighting for
the work of the Lord," he had written in Mein Kampf, establishing the
all-important religious metaphor.

Triumph of the Will presented a central ideal of the Nazi movement: the
iron-willed individual whose strength of character, self-control and personal
discipline were such that he was able to overcome individualism and offer
himself in submission to a greater power. This idea struck a sympathetic
chord with a Christian population. Hitler attempted to build a non-Christian,
neo-pagan form of religion using the symbols of a remote Teutonic past, but
it was his reliance on the familiar forms of Christianity that made the new
"faith" so comfortable for so many.

Although it has been fashionable (both inside and outside of Germany) to
think of the Nazi movement as a short aberration in the life of an
ultracivilized country, nazism was, in reality, a direct product of a century
of German cultural history; for although German Kultur had come to represent
a pinnacle of artistic achievement, particularly in the realm of music, it
had also focused on images and ideas that favored the development of Aryan
ideology. The intellectual bedrock for such ideas came initially from the
writings of the philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte (1762-1814), who has
subsequently been called both the father of German nationalism and the father
of German anti-Semitism. Much of Fichte's thinking was inspired by Germany's
bitter defeat during the Napoleonic Wars, after which both Napoleon and
France came to represent everything modern and evil. The French ideals of
liberty, equality and fraternity that inspired the 1789 French Revolution
were anathema and, more serious still, un-German. German thought took another
direction altogether; it set its sights on the past, the remote past of
mythic heroes and grandeur, and rejected the modern world as envisioned by
the Enlightenment.

In defeat, Fichte glorified Germans and Germanness.

Among all modern peoples it is you in whom the seed of human perfection most
decidedly lies, and you who are charged with progress in human development.
If you perish in this your essential nature, then there perishes together
with you every hope of the whole human race for salvation from the depths of
its miseries.[2]

As for the Jews within Germany, Fichte had been opposed to their emancipation
at least since 1793, when he argued that they were a destructive state within
a state and that their ideas were as disreputable as French ideas. (Few
things were worse in Germany than being compared to the French.)

Fichte set a tone that was adopted by leaders in several spheres. For
example, after Bismarck's victory over France in the Franco-Prussian war of
1870, it 

[CTRL] [2] Unhealed Wounds

1999-08-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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excerpts from:
Unhealed Wounds - France and the Klaus Barbie Affair
Erna Paris©1985 All Rights Reserved
ISBN 0-394-55390-X
Grove Press, Inc.
196 West Houston St.
New York, NY 10014
Methuen Publications, Canada(1985)
252pps. - first edition - out-of-print
--[2]--

-9-

HOW THE MERGER OF THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT
LED DIRECTLY TO THE KLAUS BARBIE AFFAIR

In 1939, Amin El Hussein, the ex-Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, took refuge from
the British, escaped to Germany and attached himself and his followers to the
Nazi cause. Heinrich Himmler, the SS chief, was delighted. It wasn't every
day that a regiment of sympathetic Moslems joined the German war movement.
Himmler respected the Mufti and often complimented him on his blue eyes,
which he liked to describe as "appropriately Nordic"; but it was in a written
note to the Mufti that Himmler eventually struck a chord that would resound
as a leit-motif for the future and survive four decades to influence the
context of the Klaus Barbie affair. "The struggle against Judaism is at the
very heart of the natural alliance between National Socialism and those Arab
Moslems who burn with a desire for freedom," he wrote. "This alliance will
endure until the final victory."[1]

In 1955, the Mufti resurfaced at the seminal conference of Bandung,
Indonesia, where the idea of the Third World first took hold. Twenty-nine
countries from Africa and Asia (representing more than one-half of the
world's population) sent delegates to discuss common problems, with an
emphasis on colonialism. Among the Arab countries, however, hatred of Israel
quickly emerged as a common theme. The representative from Iraq spoke of "the
force of evil," and called Zionism "one of the blackest, most somber chapters
in human history." Nasser had a few choice words to say in a similar vein.
But the most surprising and convincing polemic of all came from Amin El
Hussein who arrived on a surprise visit as the representative of Yemen (a
country he had apparently never seen) and proceeded to reveal to the
collected constituents that the real ambition of Israel was to annex the
entire Middle East.[2]

The anti-Israel resolution was one of the very few everyone agreed upon.
Israel, the conference concluded, was a base for imperialism and a threat to
peace in the Middle East and the entire world.

The Bandung conference consecrated a new era in the history of
anticolonialism and soon acquired a profound symbolic significance. Jacques
Verge's referred to it emotionally in 1960 during the trial of the Jeanson
network, while lecturing one of the judges:

What has been asked of you ... for six years since the beginning of the war
in Algeria i's this: that you condemn ... these Algerians, these men who do
not speak the French language, these men whose religion is Islam, these men
who thrill to belong to the fraternity of Bandung, the fraternity of the
African people, all of whom are now independent ... [3]

In retrospect, Bandung can also be seen as the first comprehensive,
international opposition on the part of Third World liberation movements to
Israel, Zionism and eventually to Jews outside of Israel. That same year,
propaganda coming out of Cairo had already begun to blur the distinction
between "Zionist" and "Jew." "Our duty is to war against the Jews for the
love of God and religion . . . " read a statement that appeared not in a
theological treatise, but in a local newspaper, Al Ahram.[4] By the time
Adolf Eichmann was tried in Israel in 1961, revisionist history claiming to
link Zionists and Hitler was beginning to appear on a regular basis,
particularly in the Soviet Union. The "Zionist-Hitler conspiracy theory" was
precisely the same "line" that Francois Genoud put forward in his interview
with L'Hebdo magazine in Lausanne a full quarter of a century later. Genoud,
of course, was already working in Egyptian information services when the new
Left-Right anti-Zionist ideology began to take shape.

In the 1950s, radical anti-Zionist propaganda began to dip into a ready pool
of traditional anti-Semitic literature that had been circulating years before
both in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. The Protocols of the Elders of
Zion was republished for an entirely new audience. In 1983, French historian
Leon Poliakov estimated that there were more than a dozen editions of the
book available in Arabic alone.

Hitler's Mein Kampf was also translated into Arabic, along with other
mainstays of Nazi anti-Semitic literature. Talmudic Human Sacrifices appeared
in 1962; The Danger of World Jewry for Islam in 1963; Why I Hate Israel in
1964; and Sexual Crimes of the Jews in 1965. In 1968, some Arab theologians
began referring to "the innate nature of the Jews" and suggesting that
non-Jews could acquire these nefarious characteristics "by coexisting with
Jews."[5] And three of Joseph Goebbels' former associates[6] immigrated to
Egypt, where their main contribution was to put together a work called The
Plot Against 

[CTRL] Chinese Checkers

1999-08-15 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

 -Caveat Lector-

 The New Australian


 Kosovo and Taiwan: a moral
 question for the US


 By James Henry
 No. 130,   16-22 Aug. 1999

 Sometime ago I wrote that if NATO succeeded in driving the Serbs
 out of Kosovo it would only plant the seeds of a future Balkan
 conflict. What would NATO do to protect an Albanian controlled
 Kosovo against a revanchist Serbia? Clinton, Blair and Schroeder
 being what they are have not given this dismal prospect any
 serious thought. But the war against Serbia raised other
 important questions that need to be answered. A very important
 one being: Who invaded whom?

 Put another way, how does a country deal with people from a
 different cultural and religious background who having settled
 into the host country now decide to annex part of it on the
 curious grounds that they are now a majority in that region. Like
 it or not, this is what Kosovo Albanians have done. They have
 sliced away a huge portion of Serbia. This could not have been
 done without the aid of Clinton and Blair, who certainly won't be
 around to pick up the pieces from the next Serbian-Kosovo
 conflict, not that they are picking up any pieces now.

 Does anyone think for one moment that if Britain's 1 million plus
 Moslem population decided to annex a portion of the UK on the
 novel grounds they are the majority in that area that Blair would
 stand for it. What if the reconquista movement did the same in
 parts of Texas or California? (Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo
 has already expressed the view "that the Mexican nation extends
 beyond the territory enclosed by its borders." He didn't say in
 which direction.) What would the Democrats do? Regardless of what
 the moral posturing Clinton and Blair might say to these
 hypthetical questions the fact remains that according to their
 words and actions over Kosovo they would have to concede to these
 demands for 'independence" or resort to violence. Readers
 probably realise that by now that what is really at stake here is
 a territorial principle. To what lengths can any state
 legitimately go in defending its national integrity?

 It has been forgotten, or should I say suppressed, that the
 drug-running KLA deliberately set out to alienate Serbian
 territory, which is what Kosovo is, by taking over administrative
 positions, disobeying Belgrade directives, murdering Serbian
 officials and setting up a separate administration. Naturally the
 Serbs responded in the usual Balkan way. Nevertheless, there were
 no mass killings and Serbian military activity was largely
 confined to areas where KLA guerrillas were operating.

 What we find, therefore, is that the KLA had formulated a plan to
 annex Kosovo. What made them think the Serbs would let them get
 away with this puzzles me. Unless they had good reason to think
 that Clinton would come to their aid. Whatever the case, the war
 is not over. A cocaine-snorting president still soils the Oval
 Office while drug-running KLA thugs are busy entrenching
 themselves in Kosovo. But this is where the problem will fester.
 Kosovo can only exist as a NATO protectorate. Does anyone really
 think that European countries are going to protect a drug-running
 KLA government whose activities will subvert their own political
 structures? And does anyone think the KLA will tolerate any
 domestic opposition that threatens its power? The inner
 contradictions of Clinton and Blair's Balkan blundering are
 already creating visible tensions, some of which have resulted in
 NATO troops open firing on KLA activists.

 Now if the so-called 'Clinton doctrine' had any moral substance
 (impossible given the source) then Clinton would have rushed to
 warn China against attacking Taiwan. Instead, this moral and
 physical coward betrays America's Taiwanese ally and prostrates
 himself before Beijing. (Truman must be spinning in his grave).

 Let us understand that, in my view, the principle of territorial
 integrity falls down when any group is oppressed or is in genuine
 danger of being tyrannized. This is why North Korea has no moral
 claim over the South. It is also crystal clear why Beijing has
 forfeited any moral claim to Taiwan. And it is because these are
 moral questions that Clinton and his cronies cannot understand
 them.



 The New Australian
 PictureLooking Out

 Peter Zhang's
 Column

 Clinton's to
 blame for
 Taiwan crisis

 No. 130,   16-22 Aug. 1999

 There is no doubt in Asia that Clinton is solely responsible for
 the Taiwan crisis. That an American president could be so
 incredibly stupid in his dealings with Beijing leaves Asian
 leaders both stunned and filled with contempt for the Oval
 Office. I have tried to stress that the Clinton's administration
 is a foreign policy disaster. And its most disastrous failures
 have been in China. Instead of working to strengthen China's
 reformist trends it has acted to strengthen its militaristic
 tendencies by rewarding bad behaviour. The more Chinese
 militarists 

Re: [CTRL] Gloves Off in the Garden State (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Further ammo for my argument with my husband that we should get the
 hell out of New Jersey. Thanks.

EVERYBODY should get the hell out of Joisy.  I've argued for years
that the U.S. should sell the place to Castro.  My sister-in-law,
a major corporate exec there, almost likes the idea.

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[CTRL] Bazaar Bizarre

1999-08-15 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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 IN THE BARS OF KOSOVO, THE KLA IS HOLDING THE GREAT WEAPONS
 BAZAAR CUSTOMERS ARE FLOCKING TO THE GREAT KLA ARMS BAZAAR OVER A
 COLD BEER, BEKIM OFFERED TO SELL GUNS, GRENADES AND EXPLOSIVES


 SITTING AT Tricky Dick's bar in Pristina, sipping ice cold beer,
 Bekim Xhaki reels off a list of what is on offer: Kalashnikov
 AK-47s can be bought for 150 German marks (pounds 52), Browning
 semi-automatic pistols forDM80. There is heavier gear available
 near Podujevo ... and he knows a man who can help.

 Liberated Kosovo is awash with guns and there are plenty of
 people, like Mr Xhaki, to ensure that supply meets demand abroad.
 The borders with Albania and Macedonia are effectively wide open
 and the smugglers who fill the shops of Pristina with consumer
 goods can organise the arms that are flowing in the other
 direction - out of the province.

 It is this traffic that is now reaching the UK. Only last week,
 AKM and AK-74 assault rifles, explosives, RPG-7 rocket-propelled
 grenades, M2HB Browning heavy machine guns and Claymore
 anti-personnel mines were being touted round London, according to
 potential customers who spoke to The Independent.

 It is a growing trade but the Foreign Office and Customs and
 Excise say they know nothing about it. One concerned Labour MP,
 Alan Simpson, a long- time opponent of the arms trade, is
 planning to write to Robin Cook, the Foreign Secretary, urging
 him to remind the KLA that it made a commitment to disarm at the
 end of the Nato liberation campaign. "He must tell the leaders of
 the KLA that they have a responsibility to live up to their side
 of the bargain," said Mr Simpson.

 At Luzane, where the KLA's weapons are being collected under the
 Nato agreement, the numbers that have been seized by Alliance
 troops are 10 times greater than those voluntarily handed in. But
 Nato sources also believe a significant quantity has been sold
 off to dealers with the complicity of some senior KLA officials.

 A senior Nato official said: "We have had reports of arms going
 to Western Europe. Some of it is weaponry that was bought by the
 KLA which is now being put back in the market; other weapons have
 been taken from Serbians. A lot of KLA soldiers bought their own
 weapons and there are reports they are selling them again to
 Albanian dealers.

 "We don't believe this is sanctioned by the KLA leadership. If
 they don't want to hand over their whole stock they will be
 keeping them safe and hidden, not selling them off."

 There is no evidence that the organisation's leader, Hashim
 Thaci, and its chief-of-staff, General Agim Ceku are aware of the
 trade. A Swiss- based businessman with ties to the KLA, said he
 was convinced that the trafficking was being done by rogue
 elements within the organisation and that neither Mr Thaci nor Mr
 Ceku was involved. "They would not know and would not approve,"
 the businessman said.

 Mr Thaci's supporters also blame rogue elements and point out
 that even if the KLA hierarchy were intent on withholding part of
 its arsenal instead of handing it to Nato, they would hide the
 weapons away and not sell them off.

 The counter-argument from others within the KLA is that what the
 organisation needs now more than anything else is hard foreign
 currency - it can afford to lose some of its stock of weapons.

 This shortage will not last long; KLA members have been invited
 by the United Nations to form the nucleus of Kosovo's new police
 force and army, the National Guard. And that force will be armed
 by the West.

 In the meantime, while the UN and its civil administrator Bernard
 Kouchner moves agonisingly slowly towards setting up the
 structures for a civic society, the KLA has formed an interim
 government under MrThaci and is busy filling the political
 vacuum.

 Serbian businesses and homes are being allocated to KLA
 supporters, "taxes" are collected from shops and appointments
 made at state enterprises. The only check on their activity is
 the diligence of Nato's Kosovo Force (K-For) and especially its
 British contingent. The UN is due to take over policing Kosovo at
 the end of the month but out of the bare minimum of 3,100
 officers deemed necessary, less than 160 have arrived so far.

 K-For peace-keepers recently raided the KLA's sinister,
 self-styled Ministry of Public Order, part of the "provisional
 Government" that has been set up by the rebels. Weapons, cash and
 unauthorised police identity cards - carried by Ministry of
 Public Order personnel - were confiscated. K-For denied that the
 public order "minister", Rexhep Selimi, and General Ceku who were
 in the building with 14 other men at the time, were detained, but
 Mr Selimi was warned against trying to claim police powers.

 The supply of arms to Western Europe is said to come from two
 different sources.

 Many of the Kosovar Albanian volunteers who joined the KLA,
 leaving behind their jobs in cafes and factories in Western
 Europe, 

[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Comentary / Aug 16 / Marc Weisbrot / Trade Wars

1999-08-15 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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Subject:ZNet Comentary / Aug 16 / Marc Weisbrot / Trade Wars
Date sent:  Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:03:20 +0100

Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from Mark Weisbrot.

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Trade Wars: Where's the Beef?
By Mark Weisbrot

Should countries have the right to set health and safety standards for the
food that their citizens eat? Should they be allowed to exclude
foreign-produced foods that don't meet national standards? Or should these
questions be decided by the World Trade Organization?

Like it or not, these issues are being decided right now. In the latest
trade dispute between the world's two largest trading partners, our
government placed sanctions last week on worth about $117 million on
European goods. The purpose of the sanctions is to force the Europeans to
import American beef that is raised with growth hormones.

Ordinarily this decision to place 100 percent tariffs on French truffles,
foie gras, and other delicacies that most of us have never tasted would
violate our international trade agreements. But in this case the US has
the backing of the World Trade Organization, a 134-nation body that was
created four years ago to negotiate and govern world trade. The WTO has
ruled that Europe's ban on hormone-treated beef is illegal, and it
authorized the US to impose retaliatory trade sanctions against the
European Union.

Consider the arguments: the Europeans don't allow beef that is treated
with growth hormones to be sold in their markets, regardless of where it
is produced. They just don't think it is all that safe to eat. But most US
beef is in fact treated with these hormones. So our government, at the
request of the beef industry, filed a complaint at the WTO, arguing that
this ban was an unfair restriction on trade.

The rules of the WTO say that any health or environmental standard that
affects trade must be supported by scientific evidence. So the WTO
appointed a three-judge panel, which decided in March 1997 that there was
not enough scientific evidence to justify Europe's ban on hormone-treated
beef.

Two months ago an independent panel of scientists, assigned by the
European Commission to consider these questions, reached a different
conclusion. They found that one of the six hormones commonly found in beef
is a "complete carcinogen." For the other five, they concluded that
further study would be needed-- although anyone reading the 142-page
report would undoubtedly wonder why we allow these drugs to be pumped into
our own livestock in the United States.

We probably wouldn't-- especially for consumption by those most
susceptible to the effects of the hormones, such as children and pregnant
women-- if most people actually knew what they were eating. But there are
no labeling requirements for these extra ingredients in your hamburger.

Regardless of how one assesses the scientific evidence, shouldn't the
Europeans be allowed to err on the side of caution if they so choose? Most
people would say yes. This case is particularly worrisome because everyone
agrees that the law against hormone-treated beef was designed to protect
Europe's consumers, not its domestic cattle industry. And the law applies
without discrimination to both domestic and foreign producers. Yet the WTO
insists that an unaccountable, three-judge panel, meeting in secret, can
overturn a European law-- simply because it has an adverse impact on
trade.

Clearly the tail (trade) is wagging the dog here, and this is exactly what
environmental, consumer, and labor groups warned would happen when the WTO
was created four years ago. If any American thinks that this is only
Europe's problem, they should take a look at a few key WTO decisions in
the last couple of years that have gone against us. In 1997 the US
Environmental Protection Agency weakened its regulations on contaminants
in imported gasoline, in order to comply with a WTO ruling that found
these rules to be an unfair trade barrier. The enforcement of our
Endangered Species Act-- specifically, the protection of sea turtles-- has
also been compromised by recent WTO rulings.

From the point of view of big business, and especially large
multi-national corporations, these are not disturbing developments. For
them it is 

[CTRL] Clinton, Simpson, and McVeigh (fwd)

1999-08-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Clinton, Simpson, and McVeigh


   Source: The Washington Times
   Published: Aug. 12, 1999
   Author: Brendan Miniter

Bill Clinton's greatest strength is finally being put to good
use. The talent in question is of course the president's nimble
touch when it comes to dealing with the truth. Nationwide, police
officers are intently studying the president's facial
expressions, gestures and pauses in order to become better at
spotting a liar.

Retired Calumet City, Ill., Police Chief S.A. Rhoads, who has
been teaching "Subconscious Communication" police training
courses since 1978, says suspects routinely (if unwittingly)
provide "nonverbal" clues that can aid law-enforcement officers
trained to recognize them. Among the model liars he has used as
teaching tools are Susan Smith (who went on television to ask for
her kidnapped children back after drowning them in a pond),
Timothy McVeigh, O.J. Simpson - and now, the president of the
United States.

Officers in El Paso, Texas, Broomfield, Colo. (a suburb of
Denver) and even here in Washington, recently studied the first
fibber - and there are more to come. "He's been good material for
the class ever since he became a candidate," said Mr. Rhoads.

As part of his presentation, he shows the president's infamous "I
did not have sex with that woman" statement and portions of his
four-hour deposition, which Ken Starr forced him to give and led
directly to his impeachment. Mr. Rhoads has identified more than
120 gestures of "textbook deception" by the president in that
deposition. In the course students are asked to identify some of
them. Mr. Rhoads then discusses the clue that reveals the lie.

Bill Clinton, it turns out, can be classified as an intimidation
liar, among other things. After viewing the tape where Bill
Clinton denies having sex "with that woman," Mr. Rhoads explains
the president's pointed finger and obvious leaning toward the
camera at the end of his statement are meant to intimidate the
viewer into believing him. The viewer, however, shouldn't have
been fooled because, although Mr. Rhoads believes the statement
was rehearsed, it contained several of what he calls
"disassociation pronouns" - such as "that woman." Some liars use
such pronouns to form a subconscious disconnect between them and
the person or thing about which they are lying. Here Monica
Lewinsky was reduced to something abstract.

Mr. Clinton didn't have to resort to intimidation or
depersonalization to deny allegations of sexual misconduct. When
he did, it made Mr. Rhoads suspicious and, the world knows now,
rightly so. But when he first detailed his suspicions in his
courses, many were skeptical. "They said, 'Oh you are just
picking on him.' I won a lot of steak dinners off that one," Mr.
Rhoads said in an interview.

Thanks to DNA on a stained blue dress and Judge Susan Webber
Wright's recent $90,000 fine for lying under oath, the class may
sound like an exercise in the obvious, but as Mr. Rhoads
explains, officers find it extremely useful because it helps
explain their instinct or "gut feeling" that suggests something a
suspect says is amiss. Giving that gut feeling a behavioral basis
can be very useful in front of a jury.

How accurate can looking for a nervous twitch or a rubbing of the
eyes be? According to Mr. Rhoads if an officer takes his time and
studies his suspect it can be up to 98 percent effective and in
the worst of conditions "at least 90 percent" accurate.

Washington Police Chief Charles H. Ransey has sent 510 District
police officers through the program. Several District detectives
have already told Mr. Rhoads that the skills they learned have
been instrumental in getting to the truth in criminal
investigations.

Broomfield Detective Bart Dorscheid said he also found the class
to be very helpful, but it "was not shocking" that Mr. Rhoads
made an example out of the president. "In the police business we
have been watching [the president]. He never comes out with a
'yes' or 'no' answer to a 'yes' or 'no' question. That's a
problem. That's evidence of deception."

As rational people pointed out during impeachment, "weasel"
language is also a characteristic of a liar. When the president
said he "would" never ask someone to lie, he wasn't really
denying whether or not he "did" ask someone to lie. The decision
to answer a question that wasn't asked can be very revealing.

Other categories of liars - Mr. Rhoads counts 12 of them -
include the "appointment" liar - someone who puts a limit on the
interview to restrict the number of questions he may have to
answer - something Bill Clinton did when giving his depostion to
Ken Starr.

Mr. Rhoads says Bill Clinton's pattern of lies can be traced back
to 1992 when a reporter asked if he had ever smoked marijuana.
Instead of a straight "yes" or "no," Bill Clinton said he never
broke U.S. law. When asked later if he smoked it in England, he
said he didn't inhale and didn't like it. In effect, the
president was 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [SC] Re: Kansas Board of Education vote on Evolution

1999-08-15 Thread Eagle 1

 -Caveat Lector-

Just my input:
Common DNA ancestory isn't even an argument.
All mammals have common DNA,  (and so what?).

From one who has much experience in this field of study,  and a college
education based on the subject matter...
EVOLUTION is the lie of millennial and historical proportions.

If it were true,  humans would be evolving on galactical proportions,
considering their time of appearance on the earth...  yet,  man has remained
basically unchanged for the past 20,000+ years,  as compared with the entire
animal kingdom and what some scientists would lay claim to what has commonly
become known as evolution.  All things change;  that's the nature of the
beast.  Some things change more than others,  and truly,  some do utilize
their environment for change to adapt,  but this is not the entire basis for
the evolution theory.

IF this DNA were the so-called 'common' thread,  why is it that apes and man
have not converged?  That is because there is a definite barrier in place to
prevent such an action.  A barrier that will never be crossed. Consider the
fact that in the natural order of species,  most all species,  even though
their DNA is similar enough without a barrier,  that they prefer their own
kind...  i.e. "kind after kind" in a natural process,  and do not 'choose'
to cross over into breeding outside their own kind.  It is only in the minds
of men with big pens and big armchairs,  that write out ludicrous
suppositions on paper that sound so good.   And theoretically,  some of it
bears truth...  but is not consistent to carry through all in this area of
evolution.

Scientists cannot explain the lack of evolution in animals such as the shark
for example.  There is no reason why it should not have become even more
efficient than it already is.  And on the same lines,  the lungfish neither
has changed,  nor can any evidence be produced why it hasn't.  What happened
here?  A fluke of nature?  Hardly.

When man gets his own ego and logic far enough out of the way and owns up
enough to understand that he cannot comprehend the entire universe,  or it's
building blocks to the umpteenth power...  and realize that there is truly a
greater,  ordered power behind all,  then and only then will he come to
grips with the hows and whys he is and how he became to this day to be the
ruling species of the earth.  But,  that change doesn't seem to be anytime
soon on the horizon.

So the cop-out in my opinion,  is that the fear that what man believes and
what is truth may be totally different things,  and man's ego simply won't
let him believe that he might be wrong,  particularly in this arena of
evolution.  Because this is just one of those avenues that seems to sooth
certain people's logic as the perfect solution.

Evolution is merely a theory.  Another one of those suppositional things
that cannot be proved or disproved,  but is rather a matter of opinion,  and
what one chooses to believe as their own reality.

Personally,  I choose to,  and I'll stick to the Creation facts,  and still
be willing to give anyone space who chooses to believe otherwise.

eagle 1



- Original Message -
From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [SC] Re: Kansas Board of Education vote on
Evolution


 -Caveat Lector-

 - Original Message -
 From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  In a message dated 99-08-15 10:47:40 EDT, James writes:
 
   The evolution of a new species does not mean that the basic stock
   either goes existence, or that there must only be one descendent
   branch.  Consider that wolves, dogs and foxes descend from a common
   ancestor, but the rise of one to fill an ecological niche doesn't
   mean that the others must go extinct.
 
  Only believers in the scientific religion of evolution would believe
that
  dogs, foxes and wolves come from the same ancestor.  Dogs  wolves
maybe,
  they are nearly the same, I don't know about foxes.

 Dogs, wolves and foxes can all interbreed.  Their DNA is nearly identical.
 Their common ancestry is obvious.  Humans and other great apes (bonobos,
 chimps, gorillas, orangutans) all share similar DNA, to within 95-98%.
 Our common ancestry is undeniable.  All known primates share similar
 behavior patterns too, showing the similarity of our DNA reflected in
 our mental structures.  You may believe what you wish, but evoluionary
 biology is supported by a vast amount of data - it's the best, most
 usable model we have thus far.  If you have a better explanation, one
 that's testable and more inclusive and parsimonious, please whip it out.

   Humans and apes descended from a common ancestor.  The rise of humans
   does not mean that apes must have been replaced.
 
  Again, this is the dogma of the evolutionist.  There is no way to prove
  that humans and apes are from a common ancestor.

 nok nok Is this thing on?  Hey, look at the common DNA, the behavioral
 and structural 

Re: [CTRL] The Khazars

1999-08-15 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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Here is a discussion between various geneticists on the gentic history of
the Jews.
Gentically, various dispersed groups have more in common than with their
gentile hosts.
Thus unless the Khazars were one of the lost tribes(no impossible), the Jews
are descendents of the biblical people, predominantly.

Ironically the same gentic tests also prove that the Jews are not
predominantly semites, but are more closely related to the
armenians.(remember that the middle east was a melting pot of various
peoples. Abrahams was from as mentioned in the bible came from near the
caucus mountains and the gentic ancestry also fits that pattern.

John





Ken,

Thanks for the note. My problem is that I'm not an expert in the area, so
have to rely on the experts. Of course one cannot do this mindlessly, and
must pay attention to the methodological debates. As I see it, the Cavalli
school holds the high ground, at least for the time being. Also, as you
conclude in your note, selection and drift are probable factors. The point
is that when these are taken into account, not much room is left for
interbreeding. What is interesting with MacDonald's account is that it is
actually compatible with a degree of exogamy. His model has a strong
contingent element and it is an empirical question how much interbreeding
took place in each area.

Frank

Thanks for the informative posting.  I am short-term in the midst of
something else, but I hope to have time to read the sources you provide.
 My only initial reactions are 1) I hesitate to dismiss ABO frequencies
across the board as "selectively determined" when so many potential
selective pressures have been purported to act upon the system and none
are or have been global (or even pan-Old World) in scope; 2) a very
sound explanation for the cline seen in the E=W gradient in the B
allele remains the degree of Mongol "penetration" of the local gene
pools; 3) the movement of genes, memes, etc from NE Africa to the Middle
East is well attested archaeologically and skeletally during the
Neolithic and early Bronze periods at a time not too long prior to the
establishment of the hierarchical and competing later Bronze/Iron Age
systems in the Middle East; so that 4) any greater genetic clustering of
Jews (some exceptions noted) with "Europeans", seems counterintuitive
given the probable genetic origin of the Middle Eastern populations from
which they derive.  This clustering with European must then come from
selection, drift or interbreeding.  But you've given me food for
thought.  Thanks again  -Ken

Frank Salter wrote:

 Frank Salter here.

 I'm working on the concept of ethnicity, and recently reviewed the
evidence
 of Jewish genetic identity. The literature I found (it might not be
 exhaustive) strongly supports Kevin MacDonald's view that traditional
 Judaism is a cultural group strategy that has resulted in the fairly
 rigorous genetic segregation of its members.

 I began my review with the debate triggered by Morton et al.'s (1982)
 target paper. Morton et al.'s results indicated a considerable amount of
 admixture in Jewish populations. Their most effective critic was
 Cavalli-Sforza, who pointed out their fundamental methodological error of
 relying on alleles subject to selection pressure. Here is the relevant
part
 of the review:

 In his commentary on Morton et al., Cavalli-Sforza (1982) criticized
their
 methods, arguing that they had not distinguished between genetic markers
 that are selectively neutral and those that come under selection
pressure.
 In the latter case, gene frequencies of quite diverse populations living
 under the same climatic or disease conditions will rapidly converge in
the
 absence of admixture. For example, in testing the possibility of
admixture
 for Ashkenazim Jews, Cavalli-Sforza and Carmelli (1979; supplementing
 Carmelli and Cavalli-Sforza 1979) found that one marker (the HLA loci)
 indicated no admixture with Europeans, while another (the ABO loci)
 indicated almost 100 per cent admixture. This indicates rapid selection
for
 ABO and its unsuitability for tests of admixture. Yet Morton et al.
 included the ABO data in their analysis. Cavalli-Sforza's (1982) summary
of
 his research with Carmelli thus appears to be the most authoritative: (a)
 Genetic analysis discriminates "reasonably well" between Gentile Central
 Europeans, Southern Europeans, North Africans, and Middle Eastern
 populations; (b) With regard to Jews historically inhabiting any of these
 regions "their genetic markers are more similar to those of the
population
 whose origins they shared more than 2,000 years ago than to those with
 which they have been in contact since"; (c) that some Jewish populations,
 in particular the Ashkenazim of Central Europe, show important
similarities
 with their Gentile neighbours, due to admixture, natural selection, or
 both; and (d) Despite Middle Eastern origins being "at