date:19990908


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From The American Partisan
americanpartisan.com


 Strange Disposed Times
 Courage to Fight Executive Orders
 by Michael R. Allen

 Perhaps you have seen the frightening television ad, in which BobDole tells the
 audience that it takes courage to talk about some things. It's too bad that he
 is not speaking out against Executive Orders (E.O.), because then more people
 might care about their freedom.

 To speak out against the profligate issuing of Executive Orders in recent years
 shouldn't be an act of courage; it should be a no-brainer for anyone serious
 about liberty.

 Executive Orders and their close kin, Presidential Decision Directives (PDDs),
 have been around since America's constitution was ratified. Their initial
 purpose was very pedestrian: a way for the president to accomplish routine
 tasks, like hiring employees in his office, without having a congressional vote
 every time. In other words, consider EOs and PDDs executive tools for
 housekeeping.

 How did they ever become the tools of tyranny?

 Like many other features of the government given to this land by the
 Constitution, the EO/PDD feature did not prove to be restricted enough. As the
 presidency took on the role of actually making policy, EOs proved an easy way to
 bypass stagnant (or stubborn) lawmakers. Without having to put something to a
 vote by the people's representatives, the president could get his way and make
 sure radical proposals barely got noticed.

 The Congress may have its power to write laws usurped through EOs, but it has
 one last check -- however feeble it is -- against executive power. A comment
 period of ninety days after the issuing of an executive order is allowed, and a
 congressman can file a complaint against the offending EO. This complaint
 feature doesn't normally prevent bad EOs from being issued, but it has been
 useful to draw attention to recent EOs.

 PictureIn 1998, President Clinton wrote EO 13083, supposedly to reaffirm
 federalism. EO 13083 instead gave the president broad powers to suspend the few
 remaining rights of States against the national government. Hundreds of
 thousands of concerned patriots flooded their representatives with messages, and
 Clinton retracted the EO in the face of protest.

 Unfortunately, he might strike again on federalism -- that is, if he even needs
 to.

 Clinton's PDD 25 allows him to put American soldiers in the command of the
 United Nations. EO 12919 established an industrial resources preparedness plan
 that gives the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) direction over private
 industry. More recent EOs have undermined the internet's freedom to operate and
 have allowed us to be further regulated by international organizations.

 More than any other, EO 12656, "Assignment of Emergency Preparedness
 Responsibilities," already gives Mr. Bill the dictatorial powers he wants. It
 gives federal agencies the power to command all law enforcement. It puts local
 policeman to work for the United Nations. It allows for any citizen's assets to
 be frozen and travel rights rescinded. Of course, these horrible controls are
 contingent on the occurrence of a "national emergency."

 Since the "national emergency" is declared by the president, one imagines that
 some pretty bad things could lie ahead. A "Y2K" problem, real or contrived,
 might be enough cover for Clinton to call a "national emergency." Under PDD 63,
 Clinton's administration created the Infrastructure Protection Agency
 specifically to "manage" any problems next year. Agencies that would aid in the
 saving of America are only those incorruptible institutions including the Secret
 Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Department of Defense --
 agencies that are proper for warfare and police action.

 Even if Bill Clinton never uses his emergency powers, who can one trust with
 dictatorial powers? Al Gore? Surely not the son of an ex-CIA director who wrote
 a few EOs of his own, George W. Bush? After all, EO 12565 was written by a
 Republican administration.

 Ronald Reagan's legacy is looking more wobbly every day. Any president who would
 issue an executive order for anything beyond a cheese-and-pepperoni pizza
 deserves scrutiny. Any president who would grant himself, his successors, and
 the extra-constitutional UN so much power should impeached.

 Of course, time runs one way. Citizens of 1999 have to live with the fact that
 we are governed by over 13,000 executive orders in addition to that legislative
 tool of tyranny, the US Code. The people need to be educated about what powers
 their president has acquired. Reading the text of the executive orders should
 give them the courage they need to demand the impeachment of future executive
 miscreants. The sooner the truth is known, the sooner America can rid itself
 this post-constitutional hangover.

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In a message dated 9/8/99 7:03:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

  Never say our FBI and ATF are not merciful.  When they kill children,
they
  do
   it quickly.  Prudy 

  Ok Prudy...enough about the children being killed by the feds...Koresh and
  the parents of these children put them in this situation, where is the
  outrage at the parents??? "Personal responsibility" right?

  Bill.


Come on Bill.  I don't think anyone condones the action of parents who put
their children at risk, but one has to ask oneself if these people were
peacefully going about their business and the FBI came in and wanted to
destroy them, is it necessary that they sell out their beliefs because the
government doesn't want them around.  You sound like an FBI apologist.  The
fact is that the people were killed by the FBI or some other units of the
government, it may have just been that the Davidians were pressured into
doing something they didn't want to do (IF the Fed's didn't actually start
the fatal fire), by the governments BEING there and putting them under siege.
 Why doe it have to be an either or position?  The parents certainly bear
some responsibility and the federal government bears some as well.

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[CTRL] Looking for Gordon Novel...

1999-09-08 Thread todd





I have a friend in Tulsa... 'Carl the Hippee' 
who has helped him with some previous work. I am in need of his expertise 
and knowledge.

I am reachable via Carl or at Hangar 2, Tulsa 
International Airport. Or, even just an email... if anyone can forward my 
message to Gordon, my appreciation is all I can offer at this time.

Thank you,

Todd McNutt

PS: I am also told that G. Gordon Liddy can 
reach him most of the time... if anyone knows how to even contact him it would 
be helpful.

[CTRL] Uncovering the truth about soy.


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Hi all,

There is a lot of talk re aspartame flouridation and GE foods but little
about soy. Check it out guys you have been duped again.


What products contain soy?

As well as obvious soyfoods like tofu, soy milk and miso, and other soy
products such as isolated soy protein (ISP) and soy protein concentrate
(SPC), very many processed foods contain soy, some examples are:

Biscuits Breads Vegetarian burgers
Cakes Crackers Bakery products
Pastries Meat substitutes Pancakes
Chicken nuggets Legume meal Fish fingers
Pies Meat extenders Hydrolysed vegetable protein (HVP)
Yoghurt Breakfast cereals Sausages
Soups Baby foods Doughnuts
Vegetarian meats Sandwich spreads Baby rusks
Pet Foods Animal feeds Textured vegetable protein (TVP)



Why isn't this information readily available?

People deserve the right to know about what they are eating and what they
are feeding their children. So why are government agencies so reluctant to
share information with the public?

New Zealand  environmental scientist and phytoestrogen researcher Dr Mike
Fitzpatrick met with California DHS staff in June 1998 to express his
concerns about soy, and particularly soy formulas. He received a written
response from DHS toxicologist Dr Susan Loscutoff. Loscutoff stated:

"I agree that high levels of dietary exposures to isoflavones in infants fed
soy-based formulas is cause for concern".

"I do not agree that parents have a right to know that soy-based formulas
contain isoflavones and the kinds of toxicities isoflavones might
demonstrate in infants, since parents would not know how to interpret the
information."

This kind of response it quite typical of agencies fearing a severe backlash
from the soy lobby should they alert the public to the potential health
concerns of soy isoflavones.



Peter
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
SOY ONLINE SERVICE
Uncovering the truth about soy.

Have you ever wondered about soy?  It's promoted as the miracle food that
will feed the world while at the same time prevent and cure all manner of
diseases.  But what if all you've read about soy is nothing but a
multi-million dollar marketing strategy based on scanty facts, half-truths
and lies?

How could that happen?  Easily if you're one of the world's most wealthy and
powerful industries.  An industry that puts profit before people and which
by its own admission:

has teams of lawyers to crush dissenters, owns television channels and
newspapers, can divert medical schools and can even influence governments

Well the truth is out and you'll be shocked to learn that much of what
you've read about soy is nothing but a con.

 Read how the animal kingdom caused us to uncover the dark side of soy.
 Learn the truth about the history and traditional use of soy in Asia.
 Find out what they didn't tell you about phytoestrogens and other soy
toxins.
 The soy industry is worth billions.  Is it any wonder that their political
influence is global.
 And if you need some advice about what constitutes a safe level of soy
intake, we think we can help.

HOT OFF THE PRESS



Read what the Committee on Hormonally Active Agents in the Environment
(National Research Council) say about phytoestrogens and soy in their newly
released book Hormonally Active Agents in the Environment.  You can read the
pre-publication copy online.

The New Zealand Advertising Standards Complaints Board has ruled that
pharmaceutical company Novogen has breached the New Zealand Code for
Therapeutic Advertising.  Novogen market the phytoestrogen supplements
Promensil and Trinovin and advertise various benefits of these products,
including the claim that "Trinovin Improves the General Health Outlook for
Men over 50".  In its ruling the Advertising Standards Complaints Board
noted that the claim "Trinovin Improves the General Health Outlook for Men
over 50" could not be substantiated and also that the statement left no room
for negative implications or side-effects.  Soy Online Service note that
Novogen carries similar inaccurate and misleading advertising in the United
States, the United Kingdom and Australia.

Health Canada has come under fire from the Infant Feeding Action Coalition
(INFACT), the Canadian Health Coalition and the National Federation of
Nurses Unions. The three groups have blasted Health Canada for their failure
to adopt a precautionary approach in the use of soy formulas which contain
high levels of phytoestrogens.  Read the press release in which the trio
call for an immediate halt to the routine use of soy formulas.  Note that
Soy Online Service first alerted Health Canada of its concerns over the
phytoestrogen content of soy formulas in 1995!

DID YOU KNOW THAT...



A Japanese researcher has proposed that there may be a link between the soy
phytoestrogen genistein and infant leukemia?

Food giant Archer Daniels Midland sought to gain GRAS (Generally Recognised
as Safe) for phytoestrogens?  Read what became of their application.

Protein Technologies

[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary / Sept 9 / Robin Hahnel / Imperial Inten


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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---

Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from Robin Hahnel.



Here then is today's ZNet Commentary...

--


THE QUESTION OF IMPERIAL INTENT
By Robin Hahnel

Not so long ago the United States was widely viewed as having lost its
global economic hegemony. As far back as the early 1970s President Nixon
commissioned Peter Gary Peterson to head up a special commission to
evaluate why the US position in the global economy was deteriorating. The
commission's two-volume report published by the Government Printing Office
in 1971 contained a long list of ways in which the US was losing its
competitive edge to Europe and Japan. But most significantly, Peterson was
so impressed with the Japanese economic model that he added a special
appendix to the report titled "The Japanese Economic Miracle" in which
Peterson literally salivated over what he described as the competitive
advantages of different aspects of the Japanese economic system. He
explained how their lifetime employment system, their business
conglomerates, or Keritsu, (that included vertically integrated
manufacturing companies, a large commercial bank and an export trading
company,) their financial system (that permitted Japanese companies to
operate with much higher debt/equity ratios yet less risk of bankruptcy
than similar US companies,) and a highly efficient collaborative
relationship between Japanese businesses, the Ministry of International
Trade and Industry and the Bank of Japan (that facilitated long run
international economic planning to penetrate and capture important world
markets,) all provided Japanese companies with significant advantages over
their US counterparts. In 1974 the British economist Andrew Schonfield
published Modern Capitalism (Oxford University Press), a major
intellectual tour de force in which he explained that there had always
been two, not one, model of "capitalism." Besides the laissez faire model
favored in Great Britain and the US in which the government was viewed as
a policeman mediating conflicts between private parties, Schonfield
convincingly demonstrated that there had always been a corporatist model
favored, for example, in France and Germany, where the government was
viewed as a major player responsible for coordinating the economy and
shaping its pattern of industrial evolution. Schonfield went on to provide
credible evidence for why he believed the corporatist model would prove
better suited than the laissez faire model to the challenges of global
competition in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. In the 1980s and
1990s South Korea, Taiwan, and other Asian countries imitated the Japanese
version of corporatist capitalism with great success, producing the highly
touted Asian economic miracle. And despite the fact that IMF, World Bank,
and US officials labored tirelessly to perpetuate the myth that the Asian
"tigers" were laissez faire success stories, the evidence is overwhelming
that successful Asian economies during this period in fact pursued a
corporatist, not a laissez faire strategy. [See Robert Wade, Governing the
Market: Economic Theory and the Role of Government in East Asian
Industrialization (Princeton University Press, 1990), and Alice Amsden,
Asian's Next Giant: South Korea and Late Industrialization (Oxford
University Press, 1989)]

There is no denying that the Asian economic crisis has taken the wind out
of the sails not only of "Japan Inc.," but of other Asian "tigers" as
well, which prior to 1997 posed strong challenges to US and European
global economic supremacy. And the corporatist model is clearly in retreat
in Germany and France as well. Whereas the collapse of the Soviet Union
changed the world from a bipolar to a unipolar system of military power,
the Asian financial crisis has changed the world from a tripolar into an
increasingly unipolar system of economic power. It is interesting to ask
if US/IMF sponsored policies leading up to the crisis, and policies
imposed on stricken economies by the US and IMF after the crisis struck
were: (1) part of a conscious strategy to clip the wings of increasingly
troublesome economic competitors, (2) the accidental result of myopic
ideological zealotry and opportunistic greed, or, (3) indeed, the best
policies to strengthen East Asian economies that were really only "paper
tigers" and transform them into more formidable global competitors. I will
not bother here to present the case against the Wall Street/Washington
consensus that liberalization followed by austerity was all about
strengthening our East Asian competitors. Instead, let's consider whether
US imperial competition as the millenium approaches is (1) relatively
self-aware, or (2) merely unconsciously self-serving.

Chalmers Johnson is President of the Japan Policy Research Institute in
San Diego. He offered a blunt assessment titled "America's Free Trade
Proselytizing is the True Root

[CTRL] IMF elites call shots on u.S. interest rates


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Wednesday September 8 1999

IMF: Agency to urge raising US interest rates
By Richard Adams and Gordon Cramb

The International Monetary Fund, in its forthcoming half-year report on the
world economic outlook, will call for higher interest rates to slow down the
US economy and avoid a hard landing. It will raise its forecast for growth
in world economic output this year from 2.3 per cent to 2.8 per cent,
including improved growth forecasts for all the Asian crisis countries.

IMF forecasts for the European Union are unchanged since May although it
says the risks of growth being weaker have reduced.


Details of the IMF report were revealed in a letter from Gerrit Zalm, Dutch
finance minister, to the finance committee of the lower house of parliament.


According to the report, expansion of the US economy continues "almost
without price or wage pressure". But the IMF sharply raised its forecast for
US growth - to 3.7 per cent from 3 per cent in May - and warned that tighter
monetary policy might be needed. "In order to limit the risks and to prevent
overheating, timely increases in interest rates are probably needed and the
sober budget policies of recent years must be maintained."


The document says the IMF intends to revalue 10m ounces of its 103m ounce
gold reserves to market value after agreement on debt relief for poor
countries became "politically unreachable". Spot gold prices rose to $256.20
per ounce on the news, dropping back to $255.75 in London.


Yesterday, the IMF would not comment on the accuracy of the summary. "The
IMF executive board discussed the world economic outlook last week. However,
as is standard practice, final projections won't be ready until closer to
the date of the scheduled publication [September 22] of the report," said
William Murray of the IMF.


The document says the outlook for the world economy has been "considerably
improved". Recessions in Russia and Brazil have proved less deep than
expected. Japan and Europe are expected to accelerate.


The main risk the IMF sees is the continued imbalances in the current
accounts of the US, Japan and Europe, and the methods by which these are
being reduced. "The way this is done will determine how economic conditions
continue," the summary said.


On the European Union, it says: "Monetary policy in general is appropriate
to the present situation." The IMF does not consider it likely that changes
in official rates will be necessary this year.


If the euro-zone's recovery is below expectations, the IMF sees room for
further reduction of rates and tax cuts. "Most fiscal programmes are
insufficiently ambitious and efforts must be increased to reduce the
pressure of taxes and achieve budgetary balance or surplus in 2002," the
summary said.
http://www.ft.com/hippocampus/q15104a.htm

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[CTRL] algore quit smoking dope at the age of 25.


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Jewish World Review Sept. 8, 1999 /27 Elul, 5759

Chris Matthews
W. vs. Jr. on dope
and the draft


http://www.jewishworldreview.com -- PAULINE GORE was so gung-ho about her
son's anti-Vietnam War views that she was ready to head to Canada with him.
Barbara Bush is so angry about the press's hammering of her son's possible
cocaine use that she's hitting the airwaves to demand "Enough!"

So both these fellows, Al Gore and George W. Bush, have tough mothers. The
query facing voters is what kind of characters they themselves were back in
the late 1960s -- the era when both these boomers became men. How did these
two fellows, similar in so many ways, stand up to the dangers and allures of
the nation's turbulent coming-of-age?

Let's start with the front-runner.

George W. says he has not used cocaine beyond the age of 28. If he didn't
consume the illegal drug prior to that time, his careful denials make no
sense whatsoever.

A hawk on the Vietnam War, the Texas governor joined the Air National Guard
when he graduated from Yale, a step that kept him from the fighting.

When he ran for the presidency the first time in 1988, Al Gore admitted to
past use of marijuana but said that he quit smoking dope at the age of 25.

A dove on the war, Gore nonetheless enlisted in the U.S. Army in 1970 and
served a tour in Vietnam. In his recent biography of the vice president,
with is often critical of Gore, author Bob Zelnick gives his subject ample
credit for this service.

"Without question, Gore spent plenty of time in the field. While not nearly
as dangerous as the activity of the grunts, it was a decent and honorable
way for him to discharge his obligation to this country during a period of
great domestic disturbance and moral ambiguity. It was also far more
dangerous than the post-graduate courses and `essential' jobs to which
flocked many future hard-liners whose reverence for interventionist military
policies would grow in direct proportion to their personal distance from the
threat of military service."

Placing these two '60s portraits side-by-side, we get an interesting
comparison.




On the right is the charming, gregarious Bush who avoided the generational
militancy of the '60s, who backed the war but felt no urge to fight in it,
who may have enjoyed the pleasures of the counter-culture but not its
intellectual ferment or political revolt. On the left is the socially
reserved Gore who accepted service in a war he and his peers detested, who
smoked dope but also exposed his young mind to the issues of his new
generation -- from environmental protection to Pentagon reform.

As a member of the same generation as this pair, I find the picture of
George W. Bush the more familiar, if hardly the more attractive.

"I would have gone," Bush told a Washington Post reporter, had his National
Guard unit been called up for action in Vietnam. But it's hard to give three
cheers to a certified hawk, a young and committed backer of the war, for
grabbing for a billet in the well-recognized safety of the home guard.

The same goes for the drug question. I'll admit to a '60s' bias here.
There'll be a lot more issues ahead in the 2000 choice, but I like that
young fellow, Al Gore, who dug deeply into the political and cultural
excitement of that great decade, and not just the dope.
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/matthews1.asp

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[CTRL] Slaughter-House cases (1873) [walter e williams] must read


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WEDNESDAY
SEPTEMBER 08
1999


America, land of
restricted opportunity




© 1999 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

Let's set the background with a sampling of sentiments of yesteryear's
Supreme Court Justices considered trash by most of today's justices, legal
scholars, legislators and politicians in general.
Justice Joseph P. Bradley in the Slaughter-House cases (1873) said, "For the
preservation, exercise, and enjoyment of these rights the individual
citizens, as a necessity, must be left free to adopt such a calling,
profession, or trade as may seem to him most conducive to that end. ... The
right to choose one's calling is an essential part of that liberty which is
the object of government to protect; and a calling, when chosen, is a man's
property and right. Liberty and property are not protected where these
rights are arbitrarily assailed."

Justice Rufus W. Peckman in Dent v. West Virginia (1888) said, "The liberty
mentioned in that Amendment (Fourteenth) means ... to earn his livelihood by
any lawful calling; to pursue any livelihood or avocation."

Justice William O. Douglas in Barsky v. Board of Regents of New York (1954)
said, "The right to work, I had assumed, was the most precious liberty that
man possesses. Man has indeed as much right to work as he has to live, to be
free, to own property. ... The great values of freedom are in the
opportunities afforded man to press to new horizons, to pit his strength
against the forces of nature, to match skills with his fellow man."

Contrast these sentiments to today's reality. In Las Vegas, John West
applied for a license to operate his limousine. After having spent $15,000
and failing to prove that his business would "not unreasonably and adversely
affect other carriers," his application was turned down. Nevada's
established limousine operators get politicians to keep new entrants out so
they can get away with charging higher prices.

In New York, there's been a running battle between "dollar" commuter vans
and the city's Taxi and Limousine Commission. Dollar vans emerged in 1980
during the city's transit strike. They operate along fixed routes providing
badly needed services in Brooklyn and Queens. But they compete with the
city's decrepit bus service. The riding public wants the vans but the Taxi
Cab and Limousine Commission, acting on the behalf of New York's Transit
Authority and transit workers union, wants them out of business.

Then there are African style hair braiders who operate out of their homes
and small shops in predominantly black neighborhoods. Given the style's
popularity, hair braiders can earn a good income. However, the cosmetology
establishment wants them to complete 1,600 hours of study at state-certified
schools at a cost of $5,000 to $7,000. Licensed cosmetologists fear loss of
business and cosmetology schools fear the loss of students. They both use
government to stifle competition with hair braiders.

Many of these fledgling entrepreneurs are black people who are trying to
move up the economic ladder. The good news is that the state-sponsored siege
against them is being broken. It's not black politicians and civil rights
groups coming to the rescue. They tend to side with the establishment.
Instead, it's the Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Justice. The
Institute has produced an excellent record of success. In New York, they've
sued successfully on the behalf of the dollar vans. In cities such as Denver
and Indianapolis, they've broken long-standing taxi monopolies. Just last
week, the Institute won their California challenge where a U.S. District
Court found the state's enforcement action against hair braiders
unconstitutional. Similar successes have also been won in Washington, D.C.,
Michigan and Maryland.

It would be great if the Institute for Justice ultimately beats back
protectionist economic regulation. But in the meanwhile, we should all give
moral encouragement to any person who tries to earn an honest, albeit
illegal, living.






WorldNetDaily contributor Walter E. Williams is the John M. Olin
Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University in Fairfax,
Va.


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Re: [CTRL] algore quit smoking dope at the age of 25.

1999-09-08 Thread Bill


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Yeah we have listened to that silly twit of a Barbara Bush
for way to long now...I want to hear her say "Enough" to
the drug war in general, from which her family profited so
hugely, and I want to see the members of her family charged
and tried for war crimes against the American People...the
arrogance of that "lady" is surpassed only by her overall
spiritual and physical ugliness, and her husband and boys
are all garbagemen, picking up the trash behind the worlds
elite at the expense of America.  I want her saying "Enough"
to all the people who have and are serving mandatory
minimums for pot, and I want to hear her saying "Enough" to
all the hazardous pharmaceutical pushed on us by the drug
peddlers Bush.  Enough of Barbara Bush, period, I say.

Bard wrote:

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 Jewish World Review Sept. 8, 1999 /27 Elul, 5759

 Chris Matthews
 W. vs. Jr. on dope
 and the draft

 http://www.jewishworldreview.com -- PAULINE GORE was so gung-ho about her
 son's anti-Vietnam War views that she was ready to head to Canada with him.
 Barbara Bush is so angry about the press's hammering of her son's possible
 cocaine use that she's hitting the airwaves to demand "Enough!"

 So both these fellows, Al Gore and George W. Bush, have tough mothers. The
 query facing voters is what kind of characters they themselves were back in
 the late 1960s -- the era when both these boomers became men. How did these
 two fellows, similar in so many ways, stand up to the dangers and allures of
 the nation's turbulent coming-of-age?

 Let's st

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[CTRL] Why Greens Should Love Pesticides

1999-09-08 Thread Taylor, John (JH)


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  "Why Greens Should Love Pesticides"
   by Dennis Avery,
 from the Wall Street Journal


 Gerber recently announced that henceforth its baby
foods will be free from genetically modified crops -- and
will be organically grown to boot.  Then the
Environmental Protection Agency announced that it was
banning a major pesticide, methyl parathion, that has
been used in fruit and vegetable production for decades.

 Upscale homemakers across the land are no doubt
rejoicing over the additional "food safety" for their
families.  Unfortunately, the real-world results are
likely to be more cancer and less wildlife habitat.

  When I joined the U.S. Department of Agriculture in
1959, the world feared a billion Third World people would
die in famines.  Then came the Green Revolution, and
Norman Borlaug was awarded the 1970 Nobel Peace Prize for
giving most of humanity its first real food security.
Now we're ready to turn our backs on both food security
and wildland conservation -- to eliminate food risks we
can't even find.

 Thanks to the Green Revolution, the only famines in
recent decades have been those caused by governmental
policies such as Mao Tse-tung's "Great Leap Forward" in
China and civil wars in Africa.  Increased food security
is a major reason why the world's population is now
projected to stabilize at 8.5 billion in 2035, instead of
spiraling upward.  We've fed the Third World so well that
young couples now believe their children will live to
maturity, and they stop after two or three babies instead
of six or 16.

 The second-biggest achievement of the Green
Revolution is saving wildlands with higher yields.  We're
currently feeding more than twice as many people as lived
in 1950, and doing it from essentially the same 37% of
the planet's land area that we farmed in 1950.

 Higher crop yields have saved more than 15 million
square miles of wildlife habitat from being plowed for
low-yield traditional farming.  That's equal to the total
land area of the U.S., Europe and South America.  We got
those higher yields with hybrid seeds, irrigation,
chemical fertilizer -- and pesticides.

 The first impact of a global mandate for organic
farming would be the plow-down of five million to 10
million square miles of wildlife habitat, much of it in
the densely populated tropics, which have perhaps 100
times as many wild species per square mile as the U.S. or
Europe.  Not only do organic crops suffer more pest
losses but organic farmers refuse to fertilize with
nitrogen taken from the air.  They would have to plow
down the equivalent of the whole U.S. land area for
green-manure crops like clover.

 There is no vegetarian trend to ease the world's
impending agricultural burden.  Instead, higher incomes
are driving the biggest surge of meat and milk
consumption the Third World has ever seen.  To save the
current wildlands despite the larger, more affluent
population in the next century, we will have to triple
the yields on the land we're already farming.  We will
probably have to triple the use of pesticides as well
(particularly of herbicides, which help cut soil erosion
with no-plow, low-erosion farming systems.)  We will also
need more biotech breakthroughs like the new high-
yielding crops for acidic tropic soils recently pioneered
in Mexico.

 Do pesticide residues cause cancer?  We've added 30
years to our lifespans in the 20th century, eight of them
since we started spraying pesticides widely.  Cancer
experts say our real cancer risks are smoking, too much
fat, too few fruits and vegetables -- and the genetic
cancer tendencies inherited from our own families.  After
billions of dollars spent trying, not one pesticide-
residue cancer victim has been found.

 Methyl parathion is unquestionably a deadly chemical
-- if you walk into the cloud of gas just sprayed on a
field of crops.  But it effectively kills the bugs that
love to eat growing fruits and vegetables; and plentiful
fruits and vegetables prevent cancer.  The quarter of our
population that eats the most produce has half the cancer
risk of the quarter that eats the least.  And it makes no
difference whether these fruits and vegetables were grown
using pesticides.

 President Clinton just awarded the National Science
Medal to Bruce Ames of the University of California,
Berkeley.  Mr. Ames says we get 10,000 times more cancer
risk from the natural chemicals in our fruits and
vegetables than from pesticide residues.  In neither case
is there enough dosage to cause cancer.

 For decades, methyl parathion and the other
organophospates were rated "safe for use" with a safety
factor 100 times the "no effect" levels in the rat tests.
In 1996, however, the Food Quality Protection Act allowed
the EPA to plug in a 1,000-fold safety factor.  This,
despite no evidence that any consumers had been hurt by
pesticides.

 Will we now be safer?  Jacqueline Hamilton of

[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT 9/08/99

1999-09-08 Thread CobolMage


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X DRUDGE REPORT X WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 08, 1999 21:58:09 ET X


SLAIN COLUMBINE STUDENT WHO FOUND GOD ONCE THREATENED TO MURDER PARENTS

In the publishing business it is called a good story -- and a "fast
turnaround."

SHE SAID YES: The Unlikely Martyrdom of Cassie Bernall, written by Misty
Bernall and published in hardcover by PLOUGH PUBLISHING HOUSE, is now set
for release.  [SHE SAID YES is also on two audio cassettes that run
approximately three hours long. $17.95.]

The story of Cassie Bernall, who was killed in the tragedy at Columbine
High School in Littleton, Colorado, hits the shelves just months after the
tragedy.

Cassie was catapulted into the consciousness of the entire nation when her
gun-toting classmate asked her, "Do you believe in God?" she answered,
"Yes." With that single word, the brave young woman stood firm in the face
of death.

But now, Misty Bernall openly shares details of her daughter's life,
revealing an unexpectedly dark side.

"As told in her new book, Mrs. Bernall tells of Cassie's life and tragic
death, exposing what she considers an amazing religious salvation and the
awful irony of the murder of a teenager who many hailed as a martyr,"
announces ABC NEWS in a release hyping ABC's 20/20 this Friday.

Cassie Bernall did embrace God, a strong religious conviction she
ultimately may have died for. But amazingly, as her mother tells ABC's Lynn
Sherr, Cassie was a very different person only a few months before she was
murdered.

"She wasn't a perfect little Christian girl her whole life ... the kids
that killed her -- she was going down the same path," one close friend
reveals.

Mother Bernall tells the story of a troubled teen who not only rejected
God, but fixated on violence and suicide.

[What's in the water in Colorado?]

Bernall tells Sherr about evil letters written back and forth between
Cassie and her friends -- some that outlined graphic plans to murder her
and her husband!

Bernall explains how this troubled teen, who once fantasized about
murdering her parents, eventually found God and a more positive outlook on
life -- before she was murdered.


X X X X X


YELTSIN TELLS CLINTON IN PHONE CALL THAT CORRUPTION CHARGES ARE POLITICAL

Russian President Boris Yeltsin told President Clinton in a telephone
conversation Wednesday that accusations linking Yeltsin and his family to
corruption involving high-level Kremlin officials were politically
inspired, the NEW YORK TIMES is reporting in Thursday runs.

But one "White House official" tells the TIMES that Yeltsin did not state
his total innocence in so many words; rather, "he insisted that the
accusations were not substantive."

The WASHINGTON POST on Wednesday reported that a Swiss investigation has
uncovered evidence that a construction company -- that received major
Kremlin contracts -- paid tens of thousands of dollars of bills charged to
credit cards in the names of Russian President Boris Yeltsin and his two
daughters.

The White House official who "shared" with the TIMES Wednesday evening said
"Clinton did not indicate whether he felt totally reassured by Yeltsin's
assertions," according to publishing sources.

Developing...


X X X X X

VIACOM/CBS: DO WE OWN YOU?


The air you breathe is free, but the airwaves are not!

Tuesday's press conference by CBSINFINITY Karmazin and VIACOMPARAMOUNT
Redstone announcing a proposed $35,890,000,000.00 marriage of assets will
go down as a modern media classic!

The street is amazing this autumn, the hoochies unreal. And watching
Karmazin and Redstone make their millennium pitch, sealed the deal.

Announcing the big one, the feisty Redstone began: "When you think about
the new VIACOM, you really only have to remember a single number. That's
number one!"

The #1 cable network group, here and around the globe; the #1 number-one
radio group; the #1 number-one outdoor advertising company; the #1
number-one entertainment brands in the most coveted demographic categories;
the #1 toilet maker; the #1 TV station group; the #1 number-one broadcast
network; the #1 popcorn provider; the #1 number-one television programmer;
#1 in rentable home entertainment; the #1 outlet on the planet for
connecting advertising with the audiences they need to reach; #1 in
number-ones; #1 of all-time in everything numbered; #1 in consumer book
publishers, #1 Internet; #1 top regional theme park chains...

In the Year of Our Lord Dow Jones 11,000, Redstone's sermon seemed to
convince the congregation.

"If that's my broker, I'll buy 9 billion shares!"

But I'll sell them in the morning.

Because the future turned kind of scary and my faith in media mergers was
shaken when Redstone and Karmazin moved to questions from the audience.

During the Q  A session it became disturbingly clear that many reporters
in the room -- were actually questioning their own bosses!

What used to be done in

[CTRL] Un-Pope-ular


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 TITLE: Hitler's Pope : The Secret History of Pius XII
 ISBN: 0670886939
 Publisher: Viking Penguin
 Publish Date: 1 October 1999
 Author: Cornwell, John
 Binding: Hardcover 512 pages
 List Price: US 29.95


 Publisher Review

 The explosive untold story of the most dangerous churchman in modern
 history--drawn from secret archives by an award-winning Roman Catholic
 journalist

 Eugenio Pacelli, Pius XII--a man with unprecedented power for good and evil--was
 pope from 1939 to 1958. Today, still shadowed by his failure to condemn Hitler's
 Final Solution, he is at the same time nearing canonization. Backed by new
 research and exclusive access to a wealth of Vatican and Jesuit archives, John
 Cornwell tells for the first time, in depth, the truth about Pacelli's long
 career as a Vatican diplomat and the accord between Pacelli and Hitler that
 helped sweep the Nazis to unhindered power.

 Hitler's Pope shows how Pacelli's entire life and career led to this, from a
 brilliant young Vatican lawyer drafting new papal power for the twentieth
 century to his 1933 Concordat with Hitler that muzzled protest by Germany's
 Catholic community, the most powerful in the world. Cornwell's explosive
 conclusion is that without Pacelli's contribution, Hitler might never have come
 to power or been able to press forward with the Holocaust.

 As searing and provocative as David Wyman's The Abandonment of the Jews or
 Daniel Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners, Hitler's Pope conclusively
 documents Pius XII's anti-Semitism, narcissism, and calamitous mix of political
 and spiritual ambition--and it shows how many of Pacelli's policies are
 reasserting themselves today under the reign of John Paul II. It will surely
 spark a worldwide furor of controversy, both inside and outside the Catholic
 Church.

 "Eugenio Pacelli was not a monster; his case is far more complex, more tragic
 than that. The interest of his story depends on a fatal combination of high
 spiritual aspirations in conflict with soaring ambitions for unprecedented power
 and control."--from the Preface

 "Pius XII and the Jews . . . the whole thing is too sad and serious for
 bitterness."--Thomas Merton


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Re: [CTRL] Why Would Federal Operatives Want All the Davidians Dead?

1999-09-08 Thread Amelia K Edgeman


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Hilary,
Could it be they wanted no witnesses to tell the horrors of what happened
and who did what to whom?
Amelia

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Subject: [CTRL] Why Would Federal Operatives Want All the Davidians Dead?


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 "Also on Sunday, filmmaker Michael McNulty, who has questioned government
 findings that the Davidians were responsible for their tragic end, said on
 ``Fox News Sunday'' that he had new evidence that federal operatives were
 firing ``long streams of automatic weapons fire'' at the back of the
 compound, preventing those inside from escaping the fire."

 This is very interesting!!!  Why would they want everyone dead?

 Hilary


 Monday September 6 1:24 AM ET
 Republicans Vow Probe Into Waco
 Full Coverage Waco Investigation
 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990906/pl/waco_investigation_27.html
 By JIM ABRAMS Associated Press Writer

 WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress returns this week with Republicans intent on
 investigating the latest Waco dispute and asking whether Janet Reno should
 resign over what one senator said was a Justice Department ``in
shambles.''


 On the Democratic side, Sen. Charles Schumer of New York said Sunday he
had
 written GOP committee chairmen asking them to put off hearings until an
 independent investigator finishes looking into new controversies swirling
 around the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian compound.

 Schumer, on ABC's ``This Week,'' said hearings would probably descend into
 partisan squabbling. ``My worry is that congressional investigations would
 bring up a lot of heat and not very much light.''
 But Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, said Congress must be involved. ``You can't
 have the country misled for six years by the Justice Department and the
FBI
 and not have Congress do something about it,'' he said on ABC.

 At issue is recent FBI revelations that it fired several flammable tear
gas
 canisters at a storm shelter hours before the main Branch Davidian
building
 went up in flames. The FBI and the Justice Department had previously
denied
 use of any incendiary devices, and investigations will focus on whether
 this misinformation was the result of a bureaucratic slip-up or a coverup.

 The Justice Department insists there is no change in conclusions that it
 was David Koresh and his followers that started the fatal fire. The
 department also stresses that military special operations officers were on
 the scene only as observers and advisers, and not in an illegal capacity
as
 participants in the operation.

 Any GOP-led investigation would be sure to touch on the competence of
Reno,
 who has constantly clashed with Republicans over campaign finance and
 Chinese spying scandals, to be attorney general.
 Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, on NBC's ``Meet
 the Press'' and CNN's ``Late Edition,'' said he had lost confidence in
 Reno's ability to lead. ``The Justice Department is in a shambles. There
is
 a demoralization over there because they realize they are not doing the
 job.''

 FBI Director Louis Freeh, in contrast, is the ``single best'' director he
 had known, Hatch said. On Freeh's reported differences with Reno, Hatch
 said ``you don't want some milquetoast guy in there who won't stand up and
 do what's right.''

 Schumer, however, said there was a double standard in attacking Reno and
 defending Freeh when it was the FBI that was apparently responsible for
not
 getting the facts to Reno, their ultimate superior.
 President Clinton, asked by reporters Saturday if he had confidence in
Reno
 and Freeh, pointedly supported Reno but not Freeh. On Freeh, he said he
 said there wasn't ``any purpose to assign blame until the investigation is
 concluded.''

 Reno is expected to name an outside investigator sometime this week, with
 the emphasis on an impartial judge, possibly a Republican, who is
respected
 by both sides.

 ``As the attorney general has said, she wants to get to the bottom of this
 and will appoint an outside investigator to do just that,'' Justice
 Department spokesman Myron Marlin said.

 Freeh was not FBI director at the time of the Waco siege, but did head the
 agency later when Reno, relying on FBI information, was denying that
 flammable devices were used against the Branch Davidians.

 ``Maybe Louis Freeh is to blame too,'' Gramm said. ``Maybe they both
should
 go.''

 Former Attorney General Dick Thornburgh, on CNN, said it was ``very
 regrettable that people up to and including the president are now being
 asked to choose sides. This is unprecedented. I have never seen a
situation
 like this where there has been this split between the two agencies.''

 But Hatch also said he had talked to both Reno and Freeh this week and had
 been assured by both that they were on good terms and reports of
 differences between the two were blown out of proportion.

 Also on Sunday,

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: WND Clinton CORRUPTION, COLLUSION NEPOTISM


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In a message dated 09/07/1999 11:45:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 U.S. President Clinton and Indonesian President Suharto have
 often been accused of being corrupt by their critics.  Newly
 declassified documents now show that both Presidents joined to
 form an alliance of global corruption, collusion and nepotism. 

And isn't it amazing how much more adept Suharto was than Clinton.  I mean
Suharto ended up with untold billions of dollars (a lot of it donated by the
United States taxpayers), and stupid old Clinton ends up needing help with
his mortgage.  Oh well, I guess Indonesians are just a lot smarter than
Americans.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Big OIl To Fund Nigerian Cops!


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 Oil companies face increased scrutiny into their roles in the West African
 country. Two of the biggest oil operators, Chevron Corp. and Royal
 Dutch/Shell Group, face lawsuits in US courts on charges of complicity with
 Nigerian security forces in the deaths of protesters. 

You can see this will take care of all the problems.  When the oil company
swat teams get finished, there won't be anyone left to protest.  Marvelous.
Let's hear it for Shell OIl.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Centuries-old Scottish secret society discovered


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Oh --yawn-- ANOTHER 18th Century "men's club" for nobility in which phallic
worship, mutual masturbation, and other homoerotic practices were celebrated.
 I could name half a dozen others, mostly (not surprisingly, for those in the
know) in Great Britain.

Moving on to the 19th Century, THE politically most powerful secret societies
were, behind closed doors, similar in character.  Cecil Rhodes, creator of
the Rhodes Trust with Baron Rothschild, and a leading member of the "Society
of the Elect" --whose EXOteric form was the RIIA (parent organization of the
American CFR)-- was notorious for his own private collection of Greco-Roman
ithyphallic statuary.  The "Greek ideal" (euphemistically "Platonic" love
between men, and especially between men and boys) was in actuality a
recurring motif for the founding members of that group, which included
Reginald Brett, Lord Esher, the most overt homosexual in Victorian society
after Oscar Wilde.  Wilde himself moved in the same deviate circles, as
ubiquitous member of the Society's more "occult" fronts like the Order of the
Golden Dawn, a haven for Victorian gays, bisexuals and lesbians, many of them
Jacobite in politics.  Not coincidentally, the Masonic "scholar" who inspired
the Golden Dawn's linear predecessor, the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia,
was similarly obsessed with phallic-worship (of a homosexual sort, in
practice) as the ultimate "secret of secrets" hidden in ancient pagan
mysteries.
When the Golden Dawn charter was taken to Germany to become the OTO (Order of
Oriental Templars), its core-concept of homoerotic sex magick was of course
taken with it, especially under the influence of Aleister Crowley, and the
leaders of the OTO and its offshoots on the Continent, right up to the Nazi
era, were almost all quite waspishly misogynistic homosexuals.  As were Adolf
Hitler's mentors during the same period ...
Not much different in the parallel secret societies in France during the late
"Magical Revival," when blueblooded gay and lesbian occultists shuttled
between London and Paris as if crossing the street.  Yet little attention has
been given this phenomena ...

I guess you have to be an "initiated" member of the most politically powerful
secret societies, welcomed into the exclusive "Men's Club," to be made truly
privy to their "secret of secrets" in an "illuminating" way ...  The rich ARE
different, I take it ...

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[CTRL] THE JAMES CAMERON CONSPIRACY THEORY

1999-09-08 Thread Nicola Molloy


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http://www.terminator3armageddon.com/conspira/jcct1.html
For lots of photos and links.

THE JAMES CAMERON CONSPIRACY THEORY
  (The Conspiracy Theorists Cut)




Note: this copy of the James Cameron Conspiracy Theory contains never
before seen information that wasn't in the previous online
version. This HTML version is divided into three 6.5 page sections for
easier reading.

WARNING: The information contained within the 19.5 pages of this
document will shake the core of all your belief systems. If you are
prepared to read it, do so with extreme caution. You and the world will
never be the same again as history itself collapses before your
eyes.



Being one of the most successful movies in the world is an astounding
statement from people who have seen James Cameron's
"TITANIC". It is a reflection of how many people have been affected by
the imagery and emotion within the film. Although there have
been those who have found fault in parts of Titanic's technical side,
the emotional side turned out to be perfect; or was it deliberately
engineered that way? Some have called the emotion within Titanic
manipulative to the point of deliberately having scenes that elate,
sadden, shock and anger the audience.

This manipulation is an interesting aspect of Mr. Cameron's work. No
matter what he works on or writes the emotional atmosphere is
always perfect in the finished product and according to Cameron is
"biographical" of his life. Born in Kapuskasing, Ontario, Canada in
1954, James Cameron grew up in Niagara Falls. He has always strived to
be the best, whether his endeavors were class projects or playing
soldier with his friends. According to Cameron's "official" biography,
his childhood created the drive to overcome obstacles which stood
in his way and would help later in life.

At this point in history, another person, who shares the surname
Cameron, was at work making progress manipulating behavior and
emotion for a deliberately engineered goal. The person is Dr. Donald
Ewen Cameron.

Dr. Cameron began his career in psychology assisting the Office of
Special Services (O.S.S.), interrogating
prisoners during World War II. Among his most famous patients was Rudolf
Hess, who had flown a plane to
Britain in order to make a peace deal between Germany and the Allies.
Hess was captured, imprisoned and was later
interviewed by several psychiatrists, including Dr. Cameron. Much of Dr.
Cameron's work, involved psychiatric
techniques designed to modify and control a persons behavior patterns.
His work was also derived from
experiments performed on concentration camp prisoners in Nazi Germany
and brought to the U.S. after World War
II by the O.S.S. under "Operation Paper Clip".

  In the 1950's, Dr. Cameron's successful work led to
his appointment as head of the
  American Psychological Association (APA), the Canadian
Psychological Association
  (CPA) and the World Psychological Association (WPA).
By this time, the O.S.S. had
  changed its name under President Harry Truman's
Administration to become the Central
  Intelligence Agency (C.I.A.) in 1947. Dr. Cameron was
contracted by the C.I.A. to
  continue his work in behavior manipulation under
Projects Bluebird and Artichoke which would later become
  MK-ULTRA in 1953.

MK-ULTRA had several sub-programs, approximately 149, ranging among the
subjects of biology, drugs, sexual activities, technology,
physics, psychology and even motion pictures. It's no accident that
movies created in the McCarthy era of the 1950's were designed to
scare the public about the threat of Communists, brainwashing or space
aliens. Hollywood's motion pictures became a tool of
MK-ULTRA.

In the world of psychiatry, Dr. Cameron was a relentless, merciless man
driven by a need to know
how to control and modify human behavior, in other words direct it. His
most common experiments
were drug inducement, sensory deprivation, sensory overload, as well as
"psychic driving", the
process of replaying his voice recorded in previous sessions with his
patients. Dr. Cameron also
performed prefrontal lobotomies and electro-convulsive shock treatments.

According to the CIA's charter Dr. Cameron's work, especially in
creating potential "Manchurian
Candidates", would have violated the ban on domestic CIA operations
within the United States.
With the help of the Canadian government and C.I.A. Director Allen
Dulles, who was one of
Cameron's colleagues in the O.S.S., Dr. Cameron relocated his work to
the Allen Memorial
Psychiatric Institute in Montreal, Canada in 1957 and stayed there until
1963.

On a side note, Allen Dulles would run the C.I.A. until after the Bay of
Pigs fiasco, when he and General Charles Cabell (brother of Earl
Cabell, the mayor of Dallas) were fired by President John F. Kennedy in
1961. After the tragedy of John F. Kennedy's assassination

[CTRL] Book of the Dead


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Online books

Book of the Dead
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~drokk/BoD/toc.html

Book of Enoch
http://id.mind.net/~wolfc/library/ancient/enoch/enindex.htm
This one is in frames which is yuck for printing but ok for reading.

At this site you can find 1000s of online books.  A lot of junk but some
real treasures if you have time to browse for awhile hunting.  You can also
search by author and title.
http://digital.library.upenn.edu/books/titles.html

We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage

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[CTRL] Paranoia The New York Times?


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I'm amazed that no one commented on Lars-Erik Nelson's column in th 26 August
New York Daily News.  I found it very interesting.  In part it reads as
follows:

In the end, Notra Trulock's suspicions grew so vast that everyone was part of
the problem:  China, the White House, CIA, Department of Energy, National
Security Council, our nuclear laboratories and even former Republican Senator
Warren Rudman of New Hampshire.  Trulock is the Energy Department counterspy
who fingered scientist Wen Ho Lee on the basis of virtually no evidence--as a
suspected spy for China.  He couldn't prove his charges, so he leaked his
suspicions to the New York Times, which did a pretty good job of convicting
Lee in print.

Now the case is goingup in smoke, and so is Trulock.  But with the help of
the Nw York TImes and some conservative Republicans, he had a pretty good run
at making life miserable for a lot of innocent people.

---

On the basis of Trulock's charges and the Times' stories, Republicans
demanded the resignation of national security adviser Sandy Berger, the head
of Attorney General  Janet Reno and the execution of Wen Ho Lee.

---

None of this tale is true.  A senior counterintelligence officer at Los
Alamos, Robert Vrooman, says Lee was targeted mostly because of his Chinese
ancestry, and the case against him was manufactured out of thin air.  .

"Investigative journalism has done good work," says a US official who
watched as Trulock's accusations smeared innocent people, "But you guys have
to learn that not every whistle-blower that talks to you in a garage is a
keeper of the truth."

UH HUH.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Smile for the US Secret Service]

1999-09-08 Thread Nicola Molloy


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Hi Andrew,


I don't know why they are bothering with us Kiwis. We have the
registration barcode on the car windscreen. I think they are practising
here for you guys later. We have a great cashless society taking over
with EFTPOS. They are laying fibre optic cable all over the country to
overseas. This is so they can see into your home through the cable TV. I
have heard more than once that they just see right into your home with
the cable box. Andrew did you ever hear anymore about the new channel 5
that their own engineers had come to your home to install for you in UK?
Some said it was for looking into your home. An article I read once said
a man was talking to the engineer of his cable TV as to how to get the
best picture and the engineer said - Well the TV in the master bedroom
does this etc. Could see straight in.

I have heard that there is a chip in the home telephones in US that can
hear conversations in the room without the phone even being used. Anyone
heard of that one? Suppose it saves bugging. There is supposed to be a
chip in every car that will cut the engine by satellite too. I get all
this from Nexus and other good conspiracy mags. I have a friend who is
an expert on these things. Her daughter in law worked for a company in
NZ who made barcoded items for the Rothschilds if I remember rightly.
Will get more on that. This was years ago. I could be wrong but I think
they may have made our smart cards already for when the stock market
crashes.I have even heard that the banks have them waiting for us to
collect too. Will be a bit late to try to produce them with y2k.I
suppose with terminator seeds won't be much food about, will have to use
the card to get the rations.

Nicky



Andrew Hennessey wrote:

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  Digitised drivers licenses for USA too.They'll be able to
 track you by satellite.We have them in NZ now. You have to have them
 with you or you'll be fined.

 look on the bright side Nicky ... they'll be so inundated with data
 that they will only have time to shovel it - not analyse it :)

 Andrew

 


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[CTRL] Why Isn't Janet Reno in Jail?


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Why Isn't Janet Reno in Jail?
Linda Bowles
September 7, 1999

We are going to investigate the Waco tragedy once again, based on new
evidence that lies were told in defense of the government's armed assault on
a religious compound. Unless there is some change in direction, this
investigation will be as fruitless as the first one.

We are being set up to believe that if the FBI did not start the fire, the
demonized David Koresh did, so everything that happened was his fault. This
is more than a wrong assumption. This is a lie posturing as an assumption.
The truth is that the safety of the children should have been the top
priority guiding the hands of the U.S. government and its agents. It was
not, and that is the everlasting shame of Waco.

Of all the events of the past decade that led to cynicism of the government
and alienation from it, none had the impact of the Waco tragedy. Over 80
American citizens died horrible deaths, including two pregnant women and 25
children, 17 of whom were under 10 years of age.

They burned to death in a lantern-lit, wooden structure that had been
violently rammed by armored tanks and assaulted by chemical weapons. The
attack was authorized by President Clinton and ordered by Attorney General
Reno.

It was a tragedy that would have toppled most civilized governments, or at
least resulted in the resignation of a few top-level scapegoats -- but not
in an America where justice is routinely mangled, the Constitution is
ignored, and corruption thrives in high places.

The behavior of the mainstream media was revealing. In every other instance,
if 25 children died horrible and arguably unnecessary deaths, the reporters
and cameras would have been all over the story.

News editors, particularly TV news editors, would had sent teams of ace
reporters and cameramen down to the scene, with the usual instruction not to
come back until they had captured on film the faces, words and tears of
bereaved family members. Every lurid detail and aspect of the carnage would
have been tediously exploited.

But that didn't happen. We didn't view the funerals, hear the gospel music
or listen to the praise heaped on the dead by those who knew and loved them.

There was no national mourning. President Clinton did not show up to deliver
the eulogy. He didn't plant a dogwood tree on the White House grounds in
memory of them as he did for the precious children who died in the Oklahoma
City bombing. This time, honoring the victims served no political agenda.

It is as though it would have been politically incorrect to have covered the
story with attention-getting intensity. To make too much of it might have
aroused sympathy for the victims, or even worse, aroused questions about why
"getting" the "evil" Koresh outweighed the endangerment of the children.

This was not like Columbine or Oklahoma City. This was not like the deaths
of John Kennedy Jr. or Princess Diana. This time, we were not taken to our
knees by a burden of grief too heavy to bear. This time, you see, we were
dealing with religious "nuts" and "fanatics."

Before the fire, huge tanks had rumbled up and rammed gaping holes in the
walls of the buildings. Heavy volumes of gas were pumped into the
structures, saturating the air, burning the skin, blinding the eyes. The
plaintive wails of frightened, coughing children filled the air. They were
held close, and told to be brave.

Outside, loudspeakers blared, "This is not an assault! This is not an
assault!" --a message so ludicrous that those inside must have doubted their
own senses.

There were, no doubt, screams of fear and pain from the children and babies,
cries of horror, shouted prayers and supplications ... thick black smoke ...
the rising heat of fierce, wind-driven flames ... panic ... confusion ...
child-calls for "mama!"... chaos ... the end of the world.

When Attorney General Reno accepted full responsibility for all of this, she
became a hero to the Washington establishment. Rather than an indictment for
criminal negligence, reckless child endangerment and violation of the civil
rights of innocent children, she was congratulated for her courage in saying
"the buck stops here." She still insists she has "done nothing wrong."

Perhaps it is possible to ask a question about Waco without being labeled a
dangerous, anti-government crazy. Officers Stacey Koon and Laurence Powell
were sent to prison for violating the civil rights of ex-felon Rodney King
by using excessive force while arresting him. Was not the whole Waco
operation, including the gassing of infants and children, an excessive use
of force in making an arrest?

Who protects the civil rights of the innocent when it is the government
itself who violates them?

Why isn't Janet Reno in jail?

COPYRIGHT 1999 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

Linda Bowles' 'take no prisoners' attitude has made her one of the few
conservative women columnists in America with a large readership. She
formerly managed Bowles Associates

Re: [CTRL] Waco...the beginning

1999-09-08 Thread C Davis


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Waco is not far from here and right from the start we were told by the local
media that the FBI feared suicide by fire for those in the compound. This
fear was stated many times by different area reporters.

 In a murder you must ask the question...who gained? Who would benefit from
the murder of David Koresh? He claimed to be Christ. He claimed Messiah. So
who would be interested in seeing him and his followers dead? The Illuminati
(Priory of Sion)?

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[CTRL] The King. GWB [dallasmorningnews]


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Friends: Barnes was asked to help get Bush in Guard
Governor says he didn't know of aid, didn't need any

09/08/99

By George Kuempel and Pete Slover / The Dallas Morning News


© 1999, The Dallas Morning News
AUSTIN - Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes has told friends that in the
late 1960s, a well-known Houston oilman asked him to help George W. Bush get
a spot in the Texas Air National Guard.

Two of those friends, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said in
recent interviews that Mr. Barnes identified the oilman as Sidney A. Adger,
a longtime Bush family acquaintance who died in 1996.

Austin businessman and sometime lobbyist - told them that one of his staff
members forwarded Mr. Adger's request to the general in charge of the
Guard's air operations.

Mr. Bush said Tuesday that if such a contact occurred - at a time when many
young men were trying to get into the Guard as an alternative to combat duty
in Vietnam - it wasn't needed and it was without his knowledge or consent.

Asked whether Mr. Adger or anyone else approached Mr. Barnes about the
Guard, Mr. Bush said, "I have no idea and I don't believe so. I applied to
be a pilot in the Guard and I met the requirements and the people who
decided I was going to be in the Guard have said publicly that there was no
influence."

"All I know is anybody named George Bush did not ask him for help," said the
governor and GOP presidential front-runner while campaigning in New
Hampshire.

Mr. Barnes declined to comment but is scheduled to be questioned Thursday
about Mr. Bush and the Guard in a lawsuit filed by the ex-director of the
Texas lottery. Brig. Gen. James Rose, the general in charge of the Guard's
air operations, died in 1993.

A spokeswoman for former President George Bush confirmed the elder Bush's
friendship with Mr. Adger but said he was "almost positive" he never talked
to Mr. Adger - or anyone else - about getting his son into the Guard.

"He said he is fairly certain - I mean he doesn't remember everything that
happened in the 1960s - but he said he and Sid Adger never, ever talked
about George W. and the Texas Air National Guard," said Jean Becker, a
spokeswoman for the former president.

'The King'

Mr. Adger, a former pilot for Pan American World Airways, was known
affectionately in Houston business and political circles as "The King."

For years, he lived in the same Houston neighborhood and sent his children
to the same private school as the Bushes. He belonged to the the same
downtown clubs as the elder Mr. Bush, who from 1967 to 1970 represented
Houston as a Republican congressman.

"President Bush knew Sid Adger well," Ms. Becker said. "He loved him."

The governor's stint as a stateside fighter pilot during the height of the
Vietnam War has been a recurrent issue, raised by opponents when he first
ran for governor and now during his presidential bid.

Earlier this summer, Mr. Barnes acknowledged he sometimes received requests
for help in obtaining Guard slots. But he said he never got such a call from
anyone in the Bush family. He declined to comment on whether someone else
contacted him on Mr. Bush's behalf.

Lawsuit subpoena

Mr. Barnes has been subpoenaed to give a deposition Thursday in a wrongful
termination suit filed by Lawrence Littwin, the former lottery director,
against Gtech Corp., the lottery contractor that employed Mr. Barnes as a
lobbyist.

Mr. Littwin and his lawyers have suggested in court records that Gtech kept
its state contract in exchange for Mr. Barnes' silence on the Guard matter.
Gtech and Mr. Bush's office have denied the allegation.

A top Barnes aide, Nick Kralj of Austin, who simultaneously served as aide
to the late Gen. Rose, already testified in the lawsuit that he passed on
names of Guard applicants from Mr. Barnes to Gen. Rose. He said that he
couldn't recall the applicants' names but that Mr. Bush was not among them.

In interviews with The Dallas Morning News, Mr. Barnes' friends said he told
them Mr. Adger contacted him and asked for help to secure a Guard spot for
Mr. Bush. They said Mr. Barnes did not make it clear whether he believed the
Bushes were behind Mr. Adger's request.

They said that Mr. Adger was on good terms with Mr. Barnes, who would go on
to become lieutenant governor, and other Democrats in control of state
politics.

Interviews show that Mr. Adger had influential contacts in both parties. And
Mr. Barnes, as speaker and later as lieutenant governor, was the chief
political ally of Gen. Rose, who was engaged in an ultimately unsuccessful
fight to keep his job.

A rival for that job was Walter "Buck" Staudt, a colonel and commander of
the 147th Fighter Group in Houston, later promoted to general and now
retired. He was the person who signed up Mr. Bush for his pilot slot.

Bush's stance

Mr. Bush, 53, has maintained he got no special treatment in entering the
Guard after graduating from Yale University in May 1968. While working at
other civilian jobs,

[CTRL] Schools vs. parents? 1 of 3

1999-09-08 Thread piper

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
Thomas Jefferson

http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm
ICQ 14484977

Title:
Schools vs. parents?

FRIDAY
MAY 071999

Schools vs. parents? Psychological student testing called intrusive meddling
By David M. Bresnahan 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Potentially violent school children might be detected in advance
through the use of psychological testing, but a federal court has made
that tougher to do.

Concern over the shooting in Littleton, Colo., has brought forth
proposals on ways to prevent such violence, which include psychological
surveys to establish profiles of potential troublemakers. A federal
lawsuit in Texas was settled in favor of stronger parental rights and
more restrictions on what schools can and cannot do.

A survey of elementary and high school children regarding sexuality,
morality, personal beliefs, their parent's behavior, and similar
personal issues prompted legal action by parents. A federal court has
just handed them a major victory over teachers who conducted surveys
against parent's wishes.

Students were being given surveys, which the suit called "invasive
and intrusive psychological exams." A federal court agreed and
established requirements for parental
notification and consent.

"The signing of this federal court order signals a bright future for
all parents in the San Antonio Independent School District and the
protection of their parental rights in the education of their children.
We are hopeful that districts across the state will take a look at what
happened in this case and voluntarily implement the same or similar
measures in their own district to protect and advance parental rights.
Remember, parents are full partners with educators in the education of
their children, and they need to be treated that way," said Texas
Justice Foundation attorney Thomas W. Stack of the victory he obtained
for the concerned parents in the suit.

Several surveys were provided to WorldNetDaily. Sample questions from
the surveys include:

If you could change one thing about your family what would it be
and why?

What's the thing you need most that you are not getting from your
family?

Also included are questions regarding religious preference, family
income, and sexual preference.

Many of the surveys seemed to contain a large number of questions
about family size, structure, and problems that may occur in the home.
Surveys collected by the Christian Alert Network from schools around the
country contain questions about sexual activities and preferences.

Rev. Curt Tomlin told WorldNetDaily that surveys of this type are
used in schools all across the country. He said he does not see how such
a survey could accurately predict which students might commit an act of
violence. He said there are many teenagers who would purposely answer
the survey incorrectly just to get attention or try to be funny.

Stack agreed. He said the use of a survey is not going to solve the
problem of violence in the schools.

The poor print quality of the surveys indicates they have been copied
many times. The same or similar surveys have been found by members of
the Christian Alert Network in all areas of the country. No one seems to
know where they originated, including officials in the San Antonio
Independent School District.

Thomas Sanchez, school board president, told WorldNetDaily that he is
pleased with the court decision and believes a better system for
administering surveys will be the result. He said that he was personally
concerned about the lack of professionalism of the surveys and the way
in which they were given.

Sanchez said the issue raised by the parents helped to correct a
problem to make the schools better. He was upset that the surveys were
being given by teachers who were not qualified as counselors.

Students in the San Antonio schools were told not to tell their
parents about the surveys or the journals they were forced to keep.
Teachers would provide a question or topic of a personal nature each day
and require children to respond in the journals, which were kept locked
in the school. One fifth grader smuggled her survey home to her mother.

The 10-year-old daughter of Lisa Tellez came home last year
complaining of the survey she was forced to take against her

[CTRL] Ex-HUD thug pleads guilty


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Cisneros pleads guilty to charge of lying to FBI
Ex-HUD secretary avoids trial, prison but will pay $10,000 fine

09/08/99

By David Jackson and David LaGesse / The Dallas Morning News

WASHINGTON - Former Housing Secretary Henry Cisneros, avoiding a lengthy
trial that would intrude into his personal life, pleaded guilty Tuesday to a
single misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI about payments to a former
mistress.

Ending a 4 1/2-year federal investigation that cost at least $10 million,
Mr. Cisneros agreed to pay a $10,000 fine but will serve no time in prison
or on probation.

"I regret my lack of candor and accept responsibility for my conduct," he
said in a written statement.

Mr. Cisneros, 52, a former mayor of San Antonio, is president of Univision,
a Los Angeles-based Spanish-language television network.

The plea bargain ends a case that critics had condemned as an abuse of the
independent counsel law and a trivial matter turning only on the amount of
money Mr. Cisneros paid his former paramour, Linda Medlar Jones.

U.S. District Judge Stanley Sporkin, who was ready to begin selecting a jury
in the federal trial, disagreed.

He stressed that Mr. Cisneros admitted under-reporting the amount during an
FBI background check before his Senate confirmation in 1993 as secretary of
housing and urban development.

"Nobody can be permitted to lie their way into public office," Judge Sporkin
said during a brief hearing Tuesday.

The judge, however, lamented the length and expense of the case.

"It took much too long to develop and much too long to bring to judgment
day," Judge Sporkin said. "This case should have been resolved a long time
ago, perhaps years ago."

President Clinton issued a statement Tuesday praising Mr. Cisneros.

"Henry has been a dedicated public official who served the American people
and this administration with distinction," Mr. Clinton said. "He is also a
good friend. I am pleased that this matter is finally behind him, and I wish
him and his family all the best."

Critics, however, called the judgment too lenient, especially because Ms.
Jones remains in a Fort Worth federal prison. She is serving a 42-month
sentence for a bank-fraud case also pursued by the independent counsel,
David Barrett.

Ms. Jones's attorney, Sam Ogan, said Mr. Cisneros' attorneys got the better
deal.

"What a fat hog they have cut," Mr. Ogan said. "That means that every day
that Linda serves is an injustice."

Asked whether the plea bargain is too lenient, Mr. Barrett said, "It's very
tough to put a man and his wife and child through a trial like this."

Citing an agreement between prosecutors and defense attorneys not to discuss
the case, Mr. Barrett said, "We're just glad to have this over and done
with."

Once a rising star

For Mr. Cisneros, the hearing capped a controversy that had derailed a
promising political career. A rising Democratic star, Mr. Cisneros was a
leading contender to become the party's vice presidential candidate in 1984.

As San Antonio mayor in 1988, he acknowledged a relationship with Ms. Jones,
a political fund-raiser who at that time went by her married name of Medlar.
He already had said he would step out of public life.

The relationship ended in 1989. Mr. Cisneros said he began making payments
to Ms. Jones because she said the publicity surrounding the affair had
crippled her business.

In 1992, President Clinton asked Mr. Cisneros to join his new Cabinet, and
his political prospects brightened again. It was during the standard
background check that the affair with Ms. Jones resurfaced.

As part of the plea bargain, Mr. Cisneros acknowledged telling the FBI in
January 1993 that he paid Ms. Medlar about $2,500 at a time. In fact, he had
made higher payments, including a pair of $8,000 payments the month before.

Prosecutors said Mr. Cisneros paid Ms. Jones $264,500 over four years.

Mr. Barrett's office secured an 18-count indictment against Mr. Cisneros in
December 1997, accusing him and others of a plot to play down the payments
to improve his chances at confirmation. Mr. Cisneros denied the charges.

During the hearing Tuesday, he told Judge Sporkin he could not recall the
payment amounts during the FBI interview and had wanted to protect Ms.
Jones' privacy.

Prosecutor Larry Scalise, however, stressed to the court that Mr. Cisneros
was admitting guilt because "the statement was false [and] Mr. Cisneros knew
it was false."

In his written statement, Mr. Cisneros said: "I was not candid with the FBI
about a personal matter.

"I hope that all who follow me in public service learn the lesson that truth
and candor are important in the process of selecting our leaders."

Expensive proposition

Mr. Cisneros, who resigned as housing secretary in early 1997, noted that
none of the accusations involved his duties in the Cabinet.

The investigation has cost at least $10 million, according to reports from
the General Accounting Office. Mr. Barrett had spent $8.7

[CTRL] FW: [Fwd: FW: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT]

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:18:27 -1000
From: Don Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i SENT THIS TO OVER 100 PEOPLE. THANKS -- EXTREMELY USEFUL1

PLEASE ASK EVERYONE YOU ARE IN CONTACT WITH IF THEY KNOW ABOUT THIS.
MOST
LIKELY YOU WILL BE SHOCKED THAT SO FEW HAVE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IF
YOU
WILL DISTRIBUTE THIS TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE -- AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE --
YOU WILL BE DOING A GREAT SERVICE !

DON STACEY

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/08-02-99/vo15no16_canal.htm

Save Our Canal!
by Admiral Thomas H. Moorer

The control of the Panama Canal is far more important to our national
security than is the control of the Kiel Canal to that of Germany, or
the
Suez Canal to that of Great Britain. Its protection is more essential
than
the protection of any part of our coast or any of our seaports, however
important, because it is the key to the protection of many seaports and
thousands of miles of coast-line.

Henry L. Stimson
Former Secretary of War (1913)

The United States appears to be sleep-walking on a course to sure
destruction, and America's leaders, who have plotted this course, appear
to
be completely oblivious to the mortal danger they are leading us into.
Nowhere is this more apparent than in the imminent giveaway of the U.S.
Canal
in Panama. In just a few months, unless the American people raise a
terrific
outcry, this strategic waterway, so vital to our economy and national
security, will be turned over to Panama. But Panama, a tiny country of
only
2.8 million people, does not even have an army. It has the capacity
neither
to defend nor maintain this valuable transoceanic thoroughfare.

China Takeover

In reality, if we allow this suicidal course to continue, we will be
transferring our strategic canal not to Panama, but to whichever power
moves
in to fill the vacuum. And there is no longer any cause to wonder which
power
that will be. Over the past several years, the People's Republic of
China has
made unmistakably clear its designs upon the Panama Canal. In fact, it
has
already moved in and begun to take control of this critically important
asset.

Yes, that is true; it is one of the great untold stories that have been
completely ignored by our news media. If we proceed along our present
course,
by the end of this year, on December 31st, Communist China will become
the de
facto new owners and rulers of the Panama Canal. This is the same Red
China
that has been so heavily involved in massive espionage efforts to steal
our
satellite, missile, and nuclear weapons technology; the same
totalitarian
regime that massacred thousands of students at Tiananmen Square, yet
still
denies this atrocity; the same Red China that is supplying terrorist
regimes
such as Iran, Syria, Libya, and North Korea with missiles and weapons of
mass
destruction; the same Beijing thugs who are threatening Taiwan, Japan,
and
the Philippines, who are helping Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, and
who
call the United States their "number one enemy"; the same Red China that
has
so thoroughly penetrated our government and our military research
laboratories during the Clinton Administration.

Over the past year, the American people began to get a glimpse of the
enormity and gravity of the multitude of ongoing Clinton scandals known
collectively as "Chinagate." However, Clinton's allies in the media have
been
only too willing to help the White House divert attention from these
serious
matters. Thus, the public has remained largely uninformed on these vital
issues, and we have not seen a sustained, determined attempt in Congress
to
hold accountable those individuals responsible for some of the most
devastating betrayals of our national security.

As injurious as the many Chinagate treacheries have been to our nation's
security, the impending surrender of our Panama Canal is more serious
still.
Tragically, Americans have come to take the Canal and its myriad
benefits for
granted. One of the great engineering marvels of the world, the Canal is
not
only a tribute to the genius, vision, determination, and political will
of an
earlier generation of Americans, but a crucially important artery and
choke
point for our Navy and merchant marine vessels. Its value far exceeds
the $32
billion we have invested in it over the years, though that price tag
alone is
reason enough to question the sanity of those who are so determined to
relinquish this valuable property.

Over 13,000 commercial vessels transit the Panama Canal every year with
some
190 million long tons of cargo. In the past year our Naval vessels used
the
Canal countless times. This 51-mile waterway cuts 8,000 miles off the
trip
around the southern

[CTRL] Fwd: IMF Approves New Loans for Ukraine

1999-09-08 Thread Carl Amedio

In a message dated 9/8/99 8:18:18 AM Central Daylight Time, AOL News writes:

 Subj:IMF Approves New Loans for Ukraine
 Date:  9/8/99 8:18:18 AM Central Daylight Time
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 IMF Approves New Loans for Ukraine

 .c The Associated Press

  KIEV, Ukraine (AP) - The International Monetary Fund approved the release
of $184 million to the Ukraine from a $2.6 billion aid package, the central
bank said Wednesday.

 The funds were expected to arrive in a few days, National Bank spokesman
Dmytro Rikberg said.

 The former Soviet republic is desperate for new loans so that it can meet
foreign debt obligations of more than $3 billion next year.

 The government's own revenues are far below target because of severe
economic problems in the country.

 Some analysts predict that Ukraine will default on its 2000 debt
obligations, but government officials have insisted they will meet them in
full if the IMF continues to disburse aid.

 The fund, which approved the three-year loan for Ukraine in 1998, has
suspended disbursements several times because the government didn't meet its
economic reform requirements.

 While agreeing to disburse the latest money, IMF directors repeated their
long-standing demands that Ukraine speed up privatization and approve a
realistic budget for 2000 to make debt servicing easier.

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.c The Associated Press

 KIEV, Ukraine (AP) - The International Monetary Fund approved the release of $184 
million to the Ukraine from a $2.6 billion aid package, the central bank said 
Wednesday.

The funds were expected to arrive in a few days, National Bank spokesman Dmytro 
Rikberg said.

The former Soviet republic is desperate for new loans so that it can meet foreign debt 
obligations of more than $3 billion next year.

The government's own revenues are far below target because of severe economic problems 
in the country.

Some analysts predict that Ukraine will default on its 2000 debt obligations, but 
government officials have insisted they will meet them in full if the IMF continues to 
disburse aid.

The fund, which approved the three-year loan for Ukraine in 1998, has suspended 
disbursements several times because the government didn't meet its economic reform 
requirements.

While agreeing to disburse the latest money, IMF directors repeated their 
long-standing demands that Ukraine speed up privatization and approve a realistic 
budget for 2000 to make debt servicing easier.

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[CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed the Davidians

1999-09-08 Thread Richard Sampson


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http://www.reagan.com/HotTopics.main/document-9.8.1999.0.html


 THE REAGAN INFORMATION
 INTERCHANGE

 A Physicist
 Explains the
 Fireball at Waco
 That Killed the
 Davidians

 September 6,
 1999 Dear M.
 Mostert: I am a
 Physicist. The
 following may
 be of use to you in your development of
 written arguments involving the murder
 of the Branch Davidians. 1. The final
 assault involved a purposeful use of the
 physics of gases and the prevailing
 conditions to murder the residents of
 Mt. Carmel. A. Military vehicles
 purposefully destroyed and opened the
 frontal exits, located near major
 hallways of the building on the
 windward side to open up conveying
 tunnels by which flammably-propelled
 CS gas could be injected into the house.
 The exits were then guarded to prevent
 escape. B. The back was demolished
 leaving an opening in a position where
 a few remaining living souls would
 have to move to escape the violent
 conflagration generated by the frontal
 action. Most would be killed quickly as
 if put into a crematory retort alive. C.
 The flammable carrier of the injected CS
 gas was ignited visibly from the upwind
 tank in video that has been shown in
 public since 1993. For Federal officials
 to state that the government did not start
 the blaze is to ignore direct video
 evidence that the gas did indeed burn,
 ans was indeed injected from the
 upwind side.. D. According to
 Bernoullli's principal, the pressure
 exerted by any fluid (air) will decrease
 as the velocity of that fluid increases.
 What this means is that the high velocity
 of the wind that day caused the back of
 the Mt. Carmel building to become a
 low pressure area, resulting in a
 'sucking' of all of the burning gas
 through the entire complex toward the
 back opening. E. With flaming gas being
 injected in huge amounts in the front,
 the huge, rapid burning of the complex
 HAD TO OCCUR with the conditions
 the way they were. There is no other
 final outcome possible. 2. Government
 agencies use experts to determine proper
 use of flammable, and gaseous agents
 when deployed on scene. THE
 GOVERNMENT AGENCIES PRESENT
 ON THE LAST DAY KNEW WHAT
 THEY WERE DOING AND WHAT THE
 RESULT WOULD BE -- THE DEATHS
 OF AS MANY LIVING SOULS IN THE
 BUILDING AS POSSIBLE BY FLAMES.
 There is no other acceptable possibility.
 This is a case of MURDER, and the laws
 of physics concur with the judgment. It
 is interesting that no media was allowed
 in back. The rear was the chosen field of
 fire to eliminate all who tried to escape
 from the approaching flames. In the
 infrared video, one can see stable,
 mechanized units firing bullets into the
 back opening to halt or kill those trying
 to exit. These look to me to be treaded
 robot units, which would be unphased
 by the great heat of the flames. My
 opinion: The BATF wanted to justify
 funding. Clinton's buddy from BATF
 Little Rock is told, probably by Clinton,
 to find a target group by which a case
 may be made for increased and constant
 Congressional funding. The selection
 process is timely as there is a deadline
 before the hearings. The Davidians were
 perfect. The group is a non-mainstream
 denomination, can be labeled with a
 'cult' label, and backing false charges of
 sexual nature can be made against a
 strong personality leader. Made up of
 mostly women and children, located in
 a controllable area where a staged raid
 can be pulled off seemingly easily;
 Operation "Showtime" is planned and
 brought off with all of the
 BATF-allowed cameras rolling. The only
 problem is that these American Citizens
 fought back for their freedom like their
 Founding Fathers before them. BATF
 personnel accidently shot when exiting
 the horse trailer, causing a resulting
 firefight that killed many persons. No
 warrant was ever served. Where is the
 solid metal door from the front which
 would prove what happened? It is not
 "lost" accidently!

 Editor's Note: This refers to the entrance
 to the building which was a metal
 double door. Davidians said the BATF
 started shooting first and the BATF said
 the Davidians started shooting first.
 There were bullet holes in the side of the
 door which Koresh slammed shut when
 the shooting began. Pictures were taken,
 they were printed, showing the bullet
 holes. They would have easily proved
 whether the Davidians shot through the
 door or the BATF shot through the door.
 After the whole thing was over, the door
 with the bullet holes was never seen
 again, and

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: WND Clinton CORRUPTION, COLLUSION NEPOTISM

1999-09-08 Thread TenebrousT


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writes:

 And isn't it amazing how much more adept Suharto was than Clinton.  I mean
  Suharto ended up with untold billions of dollars (a lot of it donated by
the
  United States taxpayers), and stupid old Clinton ends up needing help with
  his mortgage.  Oh well, I guess Indonesians are just a lot smarter than
  Americans.  Prudy

Probably true in Clinton's case, OR he may just be better at hiding all the
illegal wealth that he may have garnered than Suharto was.  Hmmm?

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What a joke!   Reno is going to appoint a Washington insider as "independent"
investigator.

Why not a citizens committee?  It was ordinary citizens that got killed by
these thuds.

I would trust a farmer, a steel worker and a teacher before another one of
these
Blue Ribbon Committees   Or go the Grand Jury route..

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Re: [CTRL] Waco...the beginning


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- Original Message -
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  In a murder you must ask the question...who gained? Who would benefit
from
 the murder of David Koresh? He claimed to be Christ. He claimed Messiah.
So

David Koresh, from what I know, never claimed to be the God, "creator of the
universe." He claimed to be a Christ-like figure, a TOOL of God, one of
many. The 2-second video clip at the time period of him saying "I am God"
was taken completely out of context from within which those words were
uttered. More than less Koresh claimed his role with the group was one of a
teacher and of a tool, or "lamb" used by God  - in other words, he never
really claimed anything past being the leader of a church.

--
Dan S

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[CTRL] FW: [apfn] Check out Waco: FBI Set Fire


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[CTRL] Flares Found in Waco Evidence, Report Says


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http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/shart?ID=372108TP=getarticle
-
Flares Found in Waco Evidence, Report Says
09/08/1999

DALLAS (AP)  Several spent illumination flares were found in the tons of
evidence recovered from the charred rubble of the Branch Dividian compound
near Waco, The Dallas Morning News reported today.

The newspaper said Texas Rangers discovered a star parachute flare while
sifting through a storage facility Friday for missing pyrotechnic tear gas
grenades.

Evidence logs showed more such incendiary flares were recovered in the weeks
following the FBI siege and assault on April 19, 1993, said James B. Francis
Jr., head of the Texas Department of Public Safety.

``These flares are potentially a very important issue, inasmuch as the
government had enormous spotlights trained on the compound throughout the
standoff.''

``They didn't need these flares to light the compound. One or more was
fired,'' Francis told the newspaper. ``For what purpose or reason would
these rounds be used?''

John Collingwood, an FBI spokesman, told the newspaper he could not flatly
rule out the agency's use of illumination rounds during the deadly siege but
said they played no part in the final assault.

``Several times during the standoff, they had people sneaking in or out of
the compound at night. Whether they ever used them then, I don't know,''
said Collingwood. ``But I can say categorically, we did not use illumination
rounds on the 19th.''

David Koresh and 78 followers died in the fire and assault at the compound
following the 51-day siege. The government has maintained that the fires
which destroyed the compound were deliberately set by the Branch Davidians.

Some GOP lawmakers want to know whether the FBI lied for several months
about using incendiary tear gas canisters during the final raid. The
possibility of launching an independent inquiry has been discussed.

Use of the pyrotechnic rounds, Attorney General Janet Reno has said,
violated her strict instructions that nothing capable of sparking a fire be
used during the FBI tear-gas assault.

Some 24,000 pounds of evidence has been recovered from the burned compound,
plus more than 300,000 rounds of ammunition and other ordnance stockpiled by
the sect.

``There is a big semiwarehouse of spent munitions that has not been
investigated,'' one unnamed Texas official told the newspaper. ``Nobody knew
what they were looking for before now. Nobody was hunting for incendiary
devices.''

All content copyrighted, 1999 The Oklahoma Publishing Co

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[CTRL] Expended flares found among siege evidence

1999-09-08 Thread Kathleen


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http://www.dallasnews.com/specials/waco/0908wacowaco.htm

Expended flares found among siege evidence
DPS chief calls find important, questions use
09/08/99
By Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News
© 1999, The Dallas Morning News
Expended military illumination flares fired by U.S. government
personnel have been discovered in the tons of evidence recovered
from the Branch Davidian compound, the head of the Texas
Department of Public Safety said Tuesday night.
Texas Rangers searching a Waco storage facility Friday for
missing pyrotechnic tear-gas grenades discovered one of the
military devices, a star parachute flare. Evidence logs indicate that
more of the flares were recovered in the weeks after the compound
burned following an FBI siege and tear-gas assault April 19, 1993,
said James B. Francis Jr. of Dallas.
"These flares are potentially a very important issue, inasmuch as
the government had enormous spotlights trained on the compound
throughout the standoff," Mr. Francis told The Dallas Morning News.
"They didn't need these flares to light the compound. One or more
was fired. For what purpose or reason would these rounds be
used?" he said. "I can't tell you whether they were [shot by] the
military or FBI, but certainly, they were fired by government
officials."
FBI spokesman John Collingwood said he could not flatly rule out
FBI use of illumination rounds at Waco. "Several times during the
standoff they had people sneaking in or out of the compound at
night. Whether they ever used them then, I don't know," he said.
"But I can say categorically, we did not use illumination rounds on
the 19th."
The discovery of the incendiary illumination rounds raises new
questions for federal officials already scrambling to explain why it
took six years for the FBI to admit that its agents used pyrotechnic
tear-gas rounds against the Branch Davidians on April 19, 1993.
The government made that admission only after a former senior FBI
official told The News that the use of the flammable rounds in
Waco was "common knowledge" within the bureau's hostage
rescue team.
Attorney General Janet Reno has said that its use violated her
strict instructions that nothing capable of sparking a fire be used
during the FBI tear-gas assault.
What next?
With the discovery of the spent illumination round, Texas law
enforcement officials said they are concerned about what else may
be found in the 24,000 pounds of evidence recovered after the
compound burned.
The Rangers, who were asked to develop a criminal case after the
siege began, were asked by the U.S. Justice Department to keep
all evidence needed for the prosecutions of Branch Davidians that
followed.
But tons of other debris, including more than 300,000 rounds of
ammunition and other ordnance stockpiled by the sect, has been
kept in Waco.
"There is a big semiwarehouse of spent munitions that has not
been investigated," one Texas official said. "Nobody knew what
they were looking for before now. Nobody was hunting for
incendiary devices."
A government investigator said Tuesday that a General Accounting
Office investigation on military involvement during the siege was
unable to resolve questions about the FBI's acquisition of high-
explosive 40 mm military rounds during the standoff or the number
of U.S. Army Special Forces personnel sent to Waco.
Fort Hood source
Defense Department records indicate that the high-explosive
rounds were acquired along with the illumination rounds from
nearby Fort Hood during the standoff.
The sect's compound burned on April 19, six hours after FBI tanks
began battering the building and inserting tear gas. Leader David
Koresh and more than 80 followers died.
Government officials have long maintained that the fires were
deliberately set by the Branch Davidians.
Federal officials also have insisted that the pyrotechnic tear-gas
rounds were fired into a bunker away from the compound and were
used more than three hours before the fire began.
But where or when those devices, known as M-651 CS rounds,
were acquired by the FBI is unclear.
Mr. Francis said Texas Rangers on Tuesday obtained two unfired
M-651s from the same manufacturing batch as those used at
Waco from Redstone Arsenal in Alabama and Pine Bluff Arsenal in
Arkansas. Mr. Francis said Rangers have traced a shell casing in
their custody to a batch made for the U.S. military in the late
1960s.
Defense denials
Some recent news reports have included Defense Department
denials that any pyrotechnic gas used at Waco came from U.S.
military stores.
Mr. Francis said Texas Rangers plan to return to Waco in the near
future to search for a second parachute flare listed on evidence
logs and other questioned items.
"They have no military value other than to be an incendiary flare,"
he said of the flares. "The question this raises is how many are still
to be discovered."
Illumination rounds have been controversial in past high-profile FBI
cases. They were used by FBI teams to burn the

Re: [CTRL] do we now need smarter mousetraps?

1999-09-08 Thread Bill


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I got an albino boa that will make short work of all them
meeses...no matter how smart they is...God makes the best
mouse traps...just gotta get over that serpentine phobia

"Taylor, John (JH)" wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 N.Y. Times
 September 7, 1999

 SCIENTIST AT WORK / Dr. Joe Z. Tsien

 Of Smart Mice and an Even Smarter Man

 By NICHOLAS WADE

 PRINCETON, N.J. -- A certain amount of disorder has broken out around Dr.
 Joe Z. Tsien, the biologist who announced last week that he had created a
 smarter strain of mouse by genetically altering a gene for memory.

 Dr. Joe Z. Tsien with a supersmart mouse he genetically engineered in a
 conference room at Princeton University. The research may shed light on
 human intelligence.

 Patients call seeking help. Individuals of enhanced imaginations warn that
 the mice may escape and take over the planet. Television crews patrol the
 halls. His voice-mail box has overflowed.

 But Dr. Tsien, seemingly the only scientist on the Princeton campus who,
 on a warm summer day, is wearing a tie, ignores the chaos and a phone that
 rings every couple of minutes. In soft tones he describes the remarkable
 journey that has led him from Wuxi, a small town near Shanghai, to the
 position of having made a significant, maybe decisive, contribution to
 understanding the nature of memory and intelligence.

 Dr. Tsien (pronounced chee-YEN) says he did not begin to consider the
 wider implications of his work until just before his article was
 published. He engineered his smarter mice for purely academic reasons, to
 address and perhaps solve the question of how memories are laid down in
 the brain.

 But the mice turned out to be smarter as well as having better memories,
 lending an unexpected new dimension to the experiment.

 Although many arguments with psychologists doubtless lie ahead, Dr.  Tsien
 believes that learning, memory and intelligence are all intimately related
 because, as his smarter mice demonstrate, "a common unifying mechanism
 underlies them all."

 And because mice and people use the same basic mechanism of memory, the
 smarter mice could well shed much light on the nature of human
 intelligence.

 Dr. Tsien's result, as he is the first to note, rests on knowledge and
 techniques developed by other scientists.

 He describes his experiment as "obvious" -- at least in retrospect.  His
 achievement lies in the fact that, in a highly competitive field of
 biology, he was the first to conceive of the experiment and to see that it
 could be decisive.

 He also carried it out in a particularly convincing way. "Extremely nicely
 done," was the verdict of Dr. Eric R. Kandel, a leading biologist at
 Columbia University and the former laboratory chief of Dr. Tsien.

 The idea that led to the smarter mice was no lucky break. Rather, it was a
 feat for which Dr. Tsien had been preparing intensively for many years,
 including seven years of postdoctoral education.

 In Wuxi, where his father was a clerk and his mother an accountant, he was
 the only person to enter college from his high school, one attached to a
 fabric plant. But the college was a good one, the East China Normal
 University in Shanghai, and he decided to do doctoral studies in the
 United States.

 "In 1986, China was still very closed, so we really had no idea about the
 United States," Dr. Tsien says in describing how he picked a college. He
 chose the University of Minnesota because it offered to waive the
 application fee, which he could not afford, and because the Chinese
 characters for Minnesota translated invitingly to "clean air blue sky."

 Having recovered from the surprise of finding the clean-air-blue-sky state
 so cold, he developed an interest in neurophysiology and the instruments
 then available for monitoring the electrical signals transmitted by brain
 cells. "I got fascinated by seeing a nerve cell fire. They are talking --
 what does that mean?" he says.

 A long apprenticeship was necessary before he could begin to parse that
 language. He did his Ph.D. thesis with Dr. Lester R. Drewes of the
 University of Minnesota, helping him conduct studies under a Defense
 Department grant on how the warfare agent sarin blocks the transmission of
 nervous signals.

 Receiving his Ph.D. in 1990, he was accepted as a postdoctoral student by
 Dr. Kandel's laboratory.

 There he worked on identifying genes that are active in rats' brains
 during memory formation.

 "I got a more systematic education in neuroscience. I got to see how a big
 lab operates," Dr. Tsien said.

 He then moved to another leading neuroscience laboratory, that of Dr.
 Susumu Tonegawa at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.  Dr.
 Tonegawa won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1987 for
 research on the genetic control of the immune system, and later switched
 to the study of learning.

 In Dr. Tonegawa's lab, Dr. Tsien worked with so-called knock-out mice,
 animals from which a gene

[CTRL] London-based Muslim calls for holy war


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From the Sunday Times,
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/Sunday-Times/stinwenws02012.html?99
9
-
September 5 1999 BRITAIN

London-based Muslim calls for holy war
Mark Macaskill and Nicholas Rufford

A MUSLIM cleric is running the risk of being deported after calling for
attacks with biological weapons on western targets. Omar Bakri Muhammad, a
refugee and father of seven living in north London, has emerged as the
extreme voice of international Muslim fanaticism. He is a friend of Abu
Hamza, the mullah with metal claws for hands, who was linked to the Britons
imprisoned in Yemen on terrorist charges.

In an open letter read out in mosques across Britain and published on the
internet, Bakri called on Muslims to rise up in a jihad, or holy war,
against America and its allies.

Bakri, who has claimed disability benefit and income support, addressed his
call to Osama Bin Laden, the terrorist suspected of bombing two American
embassies and murdering 256 people. Bakri invited Bin Laden to "aim your
weapons at occupying forces". "May Allah protect you and grant you victory,"
he said. He later advocated the use of germ agents against westerners
occupying holy lands. The letter was taken off the internet after American
officials complained.

David Lidington, shadow Home Office minister, said Bakri's "grotesque"
remarks would cause offence to most people, including British Muslims, and
called on the government to take appropriate action.

The Home Office was studying a copy of Bakri's letter last night. "We do not
discuss individual cases, but the home secretary has powers under the
Immigration Act to refuse entry or deport nationals if he is satisfied that
a person's presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good," it said.

Bakri, 41, the founder of Al-Muhajiroun - the Emigrants - came to Britain
from Saudi Arabia in 1985, where he was threatened with arrest after
preaching jihad. He was granted asylum. He uses an orange disability badge
in his car and has a free public transport travel permit.

Last week Bakri said that civilian casualties were inevitable in a holy war:
"Using any biological weapons in self-defence is, in Islam, permissible, and
I believe that we are currently operating under a defensive jihad.
Obviously, we regret what could happen to innocent people, but there are
always people who are war casualties or, if you like, victims of war."

War cry: Bakri advocates germ warfare against the West

His open letter to Bin Laden was posted on his own website and read in
mosques in Sheffield, Bradford, Leicester and London. Yossef Bodansky,
director of the United States Task Force on Terrorism, said: "Bakri knows
that his letter will be acted upon and that is why he has written it." It
amounted to an incitement to violence.

Bodansky said Bin Laden had taken encouragement from Bakri's message and had
issued a reply that was read out in mosques in Pakistan and Britain. The
American government is offering a reward of $5m for information leading to
the capture of Bin Laden, who is blamed for terrorist attacks on American
embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, last year.

Bakri first came to the attention of the British government in 1991, when he
allegedly called for the assassination of John Major for Britain's part in
the Gulf war. He says the British are a legitimate target "because London
called for the destruction of the Khalifate [the international Islamic
state]". He reserves his harshest words for America and for the "terrorist,
blaspheming, Jewish, murdering, pirate state of Israel".

He works from an office in a business park in Tottenham, north London. The
office is registered as Info 2000 Software Ltd, but when The Sunday Times
called last week he admitted the name was a cover. He spends his days using
the internet to rally support for his holy war and is planning a rally at
the Albert Hall later this month.

British Muslims backed calls for action against him. Ahmed Versi, editor of
Muslim News, a national publication, said: "We are concerned by the
statements he is making. They damage our position in the community and
create a negative image of Muslims."

Ahmed  Co, Bakri's solicitor, said Bakri "strongly takes issue with the
wild and erroneous interpretations placed by Bodansky on the contents of his
open letter to Bin Laden". He also "publicly condemns" terrorism, it said.

oOne of the three suspects held in Britain in connection with the American
embassy bombings was accused yesterday of swearing allegiance to the Al
Quade group, headed by Bin Laden. Washington is seeking extradition of
Khalid Al Fawwaz, 36, a leading member of the London-based Advice and
Reformation Committee, which the FBI claims was a front for Al Quade.

Additional reporting: Kevin Dowling

--
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[CTRL] French Justice Ministry investigates destruction of Scientology evidence


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From CNN,
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9909/08/BC-France-Scientology.ap/index.html
-
French Justice Ministry investigates destruction of Scientology evidence
September 8, 1999
Web posted at: 7:06 AM EDT (1106 GMT)


PARIS (AP) -- France's Justice Ministry opened an investigation Wednesday
into the destruction of key evidence against the Church of Scientology in a
Marseille court, according to judicial sources.

Marseille court officials alerted the Justice Ministry to the removal of
more than three tons of evidence in August, the sources said on customary
condition of anonymity.

The Marseille prosecutor's office said in a statement that the destruction
of certain sealed files was a result of "negligence" by a court clerk and
not an intentional act.

The documents relate to an investigation opened in 1990 against regional
Scientology leaders in the southern coastal cities of Marseille and Nice for
fraud and the illegal practice of medicine.

Seven of those leaders are scheduled to go on trial Sept. 20. The
destruction of the evidence will not delay the trial, the sources said.

According to a lawyer representing the plaintiff, a former Scientologist,
the evidence destroyed includes financial statements, notes concerning
Scientology members and apparatus known as "electrometers," designed to
measure "self-control."

The lawyer, Jean-Michel Pesenti, said the documents were relatively
unimportant, but that the church could try to use their disappearance to
delay the trial.

The case was initially put off in 1995 due to a procedural error.

A Paris appeals court is expected to rule Sept. 29 on a similar case against
the Church of Scientology in which evidence also disappeared.

France has long had a contentious relationship with Scientology, which is
fighting to be recognized as a legitimate religion in Europe.

In July, France's highest court upheld the acquittal of nine Scientology
members accused of corruption and theft, ruling it lacked the authority to
decide whether Scientology is a religion.

French prosecutors had argued the church was a sect that defrauded people of
their money.

France registers the church on a list of 173 groups that should be tracked
to prevent cult activities. Most other European countries also don't accept
it as a religion.

Founded in 1954 by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, the Los
Angeles-based organization teaches that technology can expand the mind and
help solve human problems.

Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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Re: [CTRL] 6000 year anniversary of Adam's creation

1999-09-08 Thread Stopforth, Jamie


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  Also add to this, 5760, in which the Jewish calendar will be on September
11th 1999... Count all the books of the Bible add 1st, 2nd and 3rd books as
one book.. Example 1st Timothy, and 2nd Timothy = one book.  You get 57
books. Revelation being the 57th book, now, the 60th verse in Revelation is
Revelation 3:11 Which first says, "Behold, I come quickly" Also the fact
that it's the 11th verse could it be hinting to September 11th?  Just
another one of those darned coincidences I'm sure... Like you said, nothing
to worry about...  :)

Jamie

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] 6000 year anniversary of Adam's creation


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Here's some maths for yaJust a coincidence..nothing to worry about
heehee
Peter

We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage

Note from Bill Koenig:

Here are some interesting facts, statistics and numbers for your
review. There are also links pertaining to the timing of Jesus
Christ's birth.



INTERESTING FACTS AND STATISTICS:

· It is estimated 6 billion people live in the world today.
· It is estimated 6 million people live in Israel.
· It is believed by some scholars that the 6000 year anniversary of
Adam's creation will be on September 11, 1999. (Links are below. We
had provided other material previously.)*
· We are nearing 6000 e-mail subscribers. We should reach 6000 by
next week. We were at 5490 today. We have been averaging about 225
new subscribers a week. Monday and Tuesday of this week we received
125 new subscribers. We also have at least 500 readers (out of 2000
daily readers) who visit the web site but are not e-mail
subscribers, so we are technically at or beyond 6000 readers and
e-mail subscribers.)

***
JESUS CHRIST'S 2000th BIRTHDAY*

The Sign of the Messiah and The Total Solar Eclipse of August 11,
1999
http://home.t-online.de/home/Dr.Papke/frame_us.htm

This is written by our Christian brother Dr, Werner Papke from
Germany. Dr. Papke was born in 1944. He studied Biophysics, History
of Philosophy and Science, Orientalistics and Science of  Religion.
In 1978 he made his Doctor's Degree at the University of  Tübingen.
He worked inter alia at the Institute for the History of Science in
the German Museum and gave lectures at the University of Munich.
Today he primarily devotes himself to the publication of his
research-results.

4 B.C. or 2 B.C.? The Historical Evidence! The Year Of Christ's
Birth by W. E. Filmer
http://www.portaustin.org/birthjb.htm

*
Count backwards from Revelation 3:22 (He that hath an ear, let him
hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches - KJV), 2000 verses (a
verse for each year) through the scriptures. You land right on 1
Corinthians 15:51 which says: In a moment, in the twinkling of an
eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead
shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

So if you count a verse for each year, and by counting back 2000
verses (representing 2000 years of the "church age), you land right
on 1 Corinthians 15:51.

*

In J.R. Church's latest "Prophecy in the News" magazine.

He took the statehood date of Israel which was "May 14,1948" and
multiplied the digits in this date. It came out to"5760." (5 x 1 x
4 x 1 x 9 x 4 x 8 = 5760)

**

The date "Tishri 1" on the Jewish calendar this year falls on 9-11.

Tom Gaston says the Hebrew gematria for Tishri 1 is:

 AlephTauShinReshYod
 =1 =  400   =  300  =  200   =  10

For a total of 911!!!

Tom says: "What are the odds of adding the letter values of this
very important date and producing the very day that it lands on in
the Gregorian year 1999 or 5759. Not only that, but it is also the
'emergency' call number for help and disaster. I checked the
calendar to see if I could find anymore Tishri 1 dates that would
fall on the 9th month and the 11th day. I checked all the way to
2030 and didn't find any."

**
Comments from Jim Bramlett:

Tom Gaston found that May 14, 1948 = 5-14-1948 = 5X1X4X1X9X4X8 =
5760 (the Jewish year beginning September 11, 1999).

Today I was reminded of the following from Bonnie Gaunt:

September 11, 1999 = 9-11-1999 = 9X1X1X1X9X9X9 = 6561.

If September 11, 1999 is "as it was in the days of Noah," isn't it
fascinating that: 6561 is the mirror of the year of the flood in
Noah's day, 1656 from Adam. 6561 is also the gematria for verses
3-5 of Psalm 93, which Bonnie Gaunt believes speaks of the
Tribulation.  Those same three verses also contain 666, 576 (5760
without the zero), and 2520 (the length of the tribulation period).

*

A WORD OF PROPHECY by Yacov Rambsel
Bible Code Research within Ezekiel 38.

Ezekiel 38:1-4;  And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son
of man, set thy  face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief
prince of Mechech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

1999-09-08 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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--
 From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2
 Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 9:48 PM

  -Caveat Lector-

 # Run Away! Deadly Potatoes! OSLO (Reuters) Police have confiscated a
 potentially lethal home-made cannon capable of firing potatoes up to 50
 yards. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990907/10/odd-potato

 When I was in college, a popular fraternity trick was to jam a potato
 into the exhaust pipe of a car  when the car heated up, the potato
 would go flying. Once one of them went clear through a metal garage door!

Yes, a potato and a college student can be an explosive combination!

Hilary

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1999-09-08 Thread Tenorlove


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--- "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm amazed that no one commented on 

I'm surprised no one commented on the fugitive Frankel being captured.
I remember a thread about him when I first joined the list.
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[CTRL] Fwd: C.T.

Dear Kris,

My name is Danny. I am from Russia, 24 years old, currently living in Istanbul, Turkey. I am very interested in conspiracy theories, not because I am paranoid or sick or anything, but because I think that those theories reflect mental state of the human race. And I am also interested in pornography. I mean, I am hardly interested in looking at it, instead I am trying to do some researches on porn, why people are so interested in it and how it affects our day-to-day lives.

Unfortunately so far I haven't been able to read a lot of conspiracy theories, or let's say, any conviencing theories. Could you please e-mail me some materials that you have received since you started your web-site, as well as those that you had before. I would like to read your comments on few of those theories.

My father used to work for Soviet government up until 1991. After the USSR collapsed, he went on working for secret projects of Russian government. To tell you the truth, it was my father who got me interested in the theories. He used to tell me "There is no coincedents in this world, and there is no God either".
I am sure that you heard about the disasterous earthquake that happenned in Turkey on August 18th. Yesterday there was another strong earthquake in Athens, capital of Greece, which is very close to the epi-center of the Turkish earthquake. My father says that those earthquakes don't seem to be natural. They look more like something went wrong during the tectonic weapon experiments. He says he found some information and pics (from one of the sattelites) regarding the patterns of Turkish earthquake. I don't believe in it myself. Everyone knows that Asia Minor peninsula, Aegean sea and Middle East is a geologically unstable region (as well as politically). But on the other hand, who knows?!

I would be really grateful if you'd find some time and e-mail me some examples of the most interesting conspiracy theories and your comments or researches on them.
Please, don't think that I am just another kid who is looking for some adventure stories like The Matrix or something. I want to participate in your researches. Let me know if there is anything I can help you with.

Hope you won't ignore my message. Thank you in advance and looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards
Danny

Dear Kris,

My name is Danny. I am from Russia,
24 years old, currently living in Istanbul, Turkey. I am very interested in
conspiracy theories, not because I am paranoid or sick or anything, but because
I think that those theories reflect mental state of the human race. And I am
also interested in pornography. I mean, I am hardly interested in looking at it,
instead I am trying to do some researches on porn, why people are so interested
in it and how it affects our day-to-day lives.

Unfortunately so far I haven't been
able to read a lot of conspiracy theories, or let's say, any conviencing
theories. Could you please e-mail me some materials that you have received since
you started your web-site, as well as those that you had before. I would like to
read your comments on few of those theories.

My father used to work for Soviet
government up until 1991. After the USSR collapsed, he went on working for
secret projects of Russian government. To tell you the truth, it was my father
who got me interested in the theories. He used to tell me There is no
coincedents in this world, and there is no God either.
I am sure that you heard about the
disasterous earthquake that happenned in Turkey on August 18th. Yesterday there
was another strong earthquake in Athens, capital of Greece, which is very close
to the epi-center of the Turkish earthquake. My father says that those
earthquakes don't seem to be natural. They look more like something went wrong
during the tectonic weapon experiments. He says he found some information and
pics (from one of the sattelites) regarding the patterns of Turkish earthquake.
I don't believe in it myself. Everyone knows that Asia Minor peninsula, Aegean
sea and Middle East is a geologically unstable region (as well as politically).
But on the other hand, who knows?!

I would be really grateful if you'd
find some time and e-mail me some examples of the most interesting conspiracy
theories and your comments or researches on them.
Please, don't think that I am just
another kid who is looking for some adventure stories like The Matrix or
something. I want to participate in your researches. Let me know if there is
anything I can help you with.

Hope you won't ignore my message.
Thank you in advance and looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards
Danny

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

1999-09-08 Thread Bill


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Tape two tennis ball cans together at the ends, after the
top and bottom have been removed so you have a long
cylinder.  Tape a coke can to the bottom of that with the
pour spout facing into this tube.  Punch a small hole at the
bottom outside rim of the coke can...get ya some rubbing
alcohol and pour about a tablespoon down the tube into the
coke can...shake vigorously...drop a t-ball into the tube
and hold a match to the hole at the bottom of the coke can
while pointing AWAY from you...boom...shoots that tennis
ball a loong way...can be modified to suit the need...
Potatoes have been known to have been used as impromptu
silencers for handguns by...you guessed it...IRA operatives.
The first bomb I learned about was from Ripleys believe it
or not...it told of a guy who cheated the hangman by taking
a pack of cellulose playing cards and shredding them and
soaking them in water...after the mass dried he packed the
stuff into a  pipe from his bed crimping both ends
wellon the day of his execution he built a small fire in
his cell and dropped his little surprise into itit took
him, and his cell OUT, and severely damaged 2 other cells,
blew the walls out.  Cheated the hangman.  I was 12 when I
read this I think.  Believe it or not.
BG

Tenorlove wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 # Run Away! Deadly Potatoes! OSLO (Reuters) Police have confiscated a
 potentially lethal home-made cannon capable of firing potatoes up to 50
 yards. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990907/10/odd-potato

 When I was in college, a popular fraternity trick was to jam a potato
 into the exhaust pipe of a car  when the car heated up, the potato
 would go flying. Once one of them went clear through a metal garage door!
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A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A
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Today's Lesson from Hot Money and the Politics of Debt

by R. T. Naylor


As regional banker to the dope trade, Nugan-Hand provided a laundromat
for domestic distributors, passing the cash through controlled
companies. It also arranged international remittances for foreign
clients, notably from Chiang Mai, Thailand. There, in the center of the
Golden Triangle opium network, Nugan-Hand had its office in the same
building, on the same floor, as that of the US DEA. Its Bangkok office
included one employee known to be involved in running guns to the
Kuomintang forces in the Shan States . . .

The bank grew rapidly and spread widely in the late 1970s, in good
measure because of the astounding number of formed armed forces and
intelligence personel it showcased. Among them was a former Chief of US
Naval Planning, who initially headed the Cayman Islands branch and later
the overall international organization. The man in charge of the Bangkok
office was the former CIA station chief for the city. The former
commander of US forces in Thailand became Nugan-Hand's Hawaiian
representative. Several other generals, admirals, and top-level spooks
figured among its staff and business associates, including William
Colby. After he retired as head of the CIA, one of Colby's hobbies was
acting as legal advisor to Nugan-Hand, helping it with tax matters and
with banking projects in Florida and Panama.

The army-and-navy team was still in charge when, in 1980, Frank Nugan
performed a "suicide" that was almost as acrobatic as that of Roberto
Calvi. The bank and related companies, including its Hong Kong DTC, came
crashing down with $50 million missing from its accounts. None of the
missing money was ever recovered, nor, curiously enough, did the
depositors try to get it back. Also missing were most of the Hong Kong
and Sydney records and Michael Hand, who vanished.
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Barbecued Children

Waco Was a Professional Hit

Waco Wizard's Magical Fire

by Carol Valentine


"Fire is so efficient at erasing things, it is very popular as a means of
hiding the evidence of murder . . ."
--Douglas Ubelaker, Curator of Anthropology, Smithsonian Institute, top
consultant to the FBI in Waco, quoted in:   "Bones, A Forensic
Detective's
Casebook," pgs.  140-141.

A magician focuses the attention of the audience by twirling the hat in his
right hand.  His audience is so distracted by the hat, they do not notice
his left hand, in plain sight, performing the magic trick.

That  is what is happening now in the "new revelations" about the inferno
that engulfed  the Mt.  Camel Center in Waco, Texas on April 19, 1993.
"Whatever
you do, don't look at the fire!" says the magician.  "Look here instead, at
the debate over pyrotechnic tear gas canisters!"

We look.  "Outrageous," we say.  "Look, the FBI was only trying to get the
Davidians to come out, but they used the wrong canisters and caused this
huge house fire .  . . "  And the magician gets away  with the trick, yet
again.

Ever since April 19, 1993, the US has presented the fire at the Mt. Carmel
Center as one BIG house fire.  Various explanations for the fire were given.
Cover story Number One: The Davidians set their own house on fire.  Not
everybody believed it.

Then we heard cover stories 2.0 and 2.5, the Mrs. Murphy and cow
explanations:

Tanks knocked over kerosene lamps inside Mt. Carmel, the kerosene spilled
onto the hay, the hay caught fire and set the house on fire.

That story did not sell too well, either.  There never was a satisfactory
explanation of why the Davidians -- Bible students -- kept hay in their
house.

Many members of the public smelled bull.

All of these explanations, and now the current ones, are designed to deflect
the public's attention from the obvious truth.  The Mt.  Carmel inferno was
not a house fire.  It was started deliberately by the US military, the Special
Operations Command, to cover its murders of the Branch Davidians.  The fire
at the Mt.  Carmel Center was a Special Operations demolition fire, and it was
fueled by petroleum.

 Let's have a look at the evidence.

1.  Here are some pictures of the ruins:


http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/fire/fig/f_fig01.jpg

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/fire/fig/f_fig03.jpg

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/fire/fig/f_fig10.jpg

Notice that we can not see even the skeleton of the house.  The fire lasted
40-45 minutes.  It burned with extraordinary intensity.  No beams.  No
rafters.  Nada.  Nothing.

This was no ordinary house fire.

Now let's have a closer look at the Mt.  Carmel Center before the fire, and
note its architectural features.  Take a viewpoint facing the front of the
building.  Notice that the three story residential tower in the center of
the

[CTRL] Fwd: WACO: FBI SET FIRE






 The report at the following URL presents evidence
 NEVER BEFORE SEEN on the Internet from the much-
 discussed FLIR video taken over Waco, Texas.

 http://users.erols.com/igoddard/wacofire.htm

 This evidence, covered briefly in Mike McNulty's
 award-winning documentary "Waco: The Rules of
 Engagement" and corroborated by expert testimony,
 establishes beyond a reasonable doubt that the
 fire that engulfed the Mount Carmel Center in
 Waco, Texas, was started by the U.S. Government.
 This evidence is not being discussed on TV, but,
 thanks to the Internet, everyone can see it now!

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [SC] Skeptic News - Sunday #2]

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 : @ THE SEDONA VORTEX.
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Said the Vortex to the Vertex,
"That's a most compelling pretext,
In the context of the contest
To triangulate the sequence."

--anon.

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From: Daniel Hopsicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]



single whiteguy wrote:

 don't know who you are . . . bob forwarded me your e-mail or posting or
 whatever . . . "devil in the details" and all that . . .

 be advised . . . i met barry seals three times . . . twice while
 working as an undercover operative in the marines at fort meade, md in
 1975 . . . didn't know who he was then . .  he tried to front me a
 couple of kilos of coke . . . he was living in alexandria at the time .
 . .

 later, in 1984 . . . he appears at my home, and gives me some bolivian
 dollar bills to hold onto . . . he said the serial numbers were
 encryption keys for some messaging that was secure yet interecepted by
 any who had been listening back then, in 1975 . . .

 i still have them . . .

 be advised, i do not intend to cause my country any embarrassment . . .
 i do, however, thoroughly intend to stay alive and write a book of my
 own . . .

 there are, indeed, essential national security issues involved with
 your topic of discussion . . . please be careful as to where your
 loyalty is focussed, as i have always tried to maintain . . . focus . .
 .

 my mission in 1975 was to expose kgb operatives using whatever means
 necessary to manipulate marine guards to gain access to "the building"
 . .the nsa building there at ft. meade . . . i saw so much, and have
 verifiable accounts of just how close the US came to losing the Cold
 War at a most critical juncture in the southeast asian conflict . . .
 saigon was falling, and we were trying to get as many people out while
 at the same time, the kgb was trying to infiltrate our security . . .
 most dangerous of times . . .

 and be advised . . the cold war is not over . . .


hmm. i'm a lot more 'visible' than you are,
so if you don't know who i
am it ain't for lack of trying.
seal (not seals) was NOT living in alexandria in 75.
possibilities: he was lying. you are.
bolivia IS a port of call for seal in 84.

be advised: i think the cold war was bullshit.
welfare for the warring class.
and its a little fucking late in the game to
start worrying about "causing our country embarrassment"

you should have thought of that in 63.

--
Daniel Hopsicker
The Drug Money Times
http://www.MadCowProd.com
"All the news that's ripped from print!"

Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological
phenomenon.
It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables,  but is due to the
institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963."

"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are
fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have
been involved."
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[CTRL] Simple Test Allows Shoppers To Check Produce for Engineered Content

1999-09-08 Thread Hilary A. Thomas


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Simple Test Allows Shoppers To Check Produce for Engineered Content
12.59 p.m. ET (1659 GMT) September 7, 1999
http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/news/international/
By Roger Dobson

LONDON  An instant test for GM foods could soon allow shopkeepers and
customers to check whether produce is totally free of modified crops.

One of the problems with GM products is that it is difficult to tell them
apart from natural foods. Many processed foods thought to be GM-free have
been found to contain small amounts of engineered material. It is possible
to carry out DNA tests to spot the difference in the crop gene, but that is
time-consuming, expensive and often impractical.

The new test, developed by Strategic Diagnostics of Delaware in America,
adapts the kind of antibody technology first used in DIY pregnancy kits to
track down the genetically modified crops.
The key to the success of the tests is that crops that have been
genetically engineered produce a different type of protein. A plant
engineered to be resistant to a specific insect, for instance, will express
a protein toxic to that pest. With a herbicide-resistant crop, the plant
will express a protein that de-activates the effect of the chemical.

The test developed by Strategic Diagnostics measures these proteins, which
would not be expressed by a normal plant. One test can measure the actual
amount of protein in the sample, while the other is a yes-no litmus-paper
type test that simply shows in minutes whether there is any GM food
present.
Don Durandetta, business manager for agricultural products at Strategic
Diagnostics, says that unlike DNA tests, which are looking for the gene
that creates the protein, the new test measures the protein directly and is
much faster.

He says: "The yes-no test takes only four or five minutes to give a result.
It is essentially the same format as a standard home-pregnancy kit."

The testing strip contains antibodies that are specific to the protein
being looked for. On one side is a monoclonal antibody and on the other a
polyclonal antibody. Attached to one of them is a color marker. When the
strip is immersed in the crop sample that has been mixed with water to make
it fluid, the sample flows along a line between the arrays of antibodies.

When the protein to which the antibodies react passes along the line, the
antibodies on either side close in and form a sandwich, triggering the
marker and changing the color of the strip.

"It is a simple yes-no sandwich assay test and the only way you can end up
with a colored strip is if both antibodies respond and a sandwich forms to
change the color, and that shows that there is transgenic protein present.
This particular test doesn't tell you how much there is, just whether or
not there is any present in the sample.

"The first applications are at the producer end. Our biggest market at
present is the quick yes-no test, which can screen trucks as they roll up
from the farm. You can test a truck while it is still on the scales. You
can take raw grain out of trucks as they arrive, grind it up, shake it up
with water, take a sample and drop a strip in. It takes three or four
minutes and the whole process, including gathering the sample, takes six
minutes."

The company is currently testing the effectiveness of the strips on
processed products. If found to be useful, this could lead to a consumer
version that could quickly tell shoppers if food contains any kind of
GM-modified ingredients.

One of the advantages for food producers is that the test will allow them
to guarantee that there is no GM material in their crops. For food
suppliers and shops, it means that they will be better able to put similar
guarantees on processed-food packaging.

Eventually, the antibody technology could be applied to many other forms of
GM food as they start to come onto the market.

With new GM legislation likely in Europe, Japan and America, the tests
could protect producers from legal action where food that is meant to be
GM-free is found to have a transgenic content.

It would also mean that such food would not have to be junked as was the
case in America when thousands of boxes of organic chips were destroyed
because the corn used had been accidentally contaminated by a crop from a
neighboring field of transgenic plants.

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[CTRL] first yenta to babaloo too


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September 8, 1999


LIBERTIES / By MAUREEN DOWD
She Wants to Babaloo Too

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton likes to think of herself as Eleanor
Roosevelt. Bill Clinton likes to think of himself as Jack Kennedy. But the
couple are a lot closer to Lucy and Ricky.

The Clintons' marital pratfalls seem to be playing out in black and white
and Formica.

The "I Love Lucy" show was driven by this dynamic: Lucy didn't like waiting
at home on that little couch while Ricky was out babalooing and having a
glamorous career at the club. She was always conniving to get in on her
husband's act. She wanted to be a star too.

Hillary never wanted to wait on a big couch in the East Wing while Bill was
out babalooing and having a glamorous career in the West Wing. She was
always conniving to get in on her husband's act. She wanted to be a star
too.

That is how we always end up tangled in these dizzy policy messes like the
contretemps over clemency for the Puerto Rican terrorists.

We keep getting yanked back to the Clintons' kooky connubial deal, which
seems much more 50's than 90's. Husband strays. Wife gets mad. Husband
brings flowers, and if he's been really bad, earrings, and if he's been
really, really bad, the health-care portfolio.


Whenever Bill tries to placate Hillary for his naughty behavior, giving her
a political gift in return for a personal betrayal, he turns into a
caricature of a bungling 50's husband, losing his shrewd political
instincts, doing anything just to get back in her good graces.

Bill repaid Hillary for her "60 Minutes" appearance that saved his campaign
after Gennifer Flowers by giving her health care (disaster) and going along
with her wish to have a female Attorney General, who turned out to be Janet
Reno (disaster).


Bill can never pay off his debt to Hillary, because he's always falling
deeper into arrears. After Hillary had to pay the Paula Jones settlement,
and after the Monica humiliation, the sky's the limit on what the President
owes his wife as she begins her own political climb.

The clemency flap crystallizes how downright strange it is to have the First
Lady running for Senate in a state where she's never lived, while her
husband is still in the Oval Office making decisions that have a big impact
on New York and that race.

The Clintons deny that they ever talked about the clemency deal -- even
though the First Lady told Talk magazine that they talk constantly: "I was
cutting Bill's grapefruit this morning, and we had the best idea we ever had
about day care."

But it's a measure of how much public trust the Clintons have lost that as
soon as they say they did not plot the clemency deal to help Mrs. Clinton
win the Puerto Rican vote in New York, we suspect that they did.


The White House has been contorting itself for several days, contending that
marital politics and New York politics are not at play in the deal to
release terrorists from jail.

But few people here buy it. Most agreed with Senator Phil Gramm, who said on
ABC's "This Week" last Sunday: "I think what happened is that this was an
effort by the President, by the First Lady, to manipulate politics in New
York. I think it blew up in their face and I think the First Lady's trying
to distance herself from it, but even her distancing I don't think works."

The Clintons' new dream house in Chappaqua is another part of their wacky
deal.

So Hillary could hit the right demographics for her Senate bid, and project
a wholesome suburban image, the couple bought a house that seems as wrong
for them as that Connecticut farmhouse did for the relentlessly urban
Ricardos in those late "I Love Lucy" episodes.

It's like that time Dick Morris poll-tested their vacation options and sent
them west on a camping trip.

You know the Clintons would rather have had a tony co-op in Manhattan. But
the most disturbing part of the dream house is its financial strings. The
Clintons' resources have been strained by their legal debts and the $850,000
payment to Paula Jones, much of which came from Mrs. Clinton's blind trust.
We have a President who cannot qualify for a mortgage.


The $1.7 million Dutch Colonial house was financed by Terry McAuliffe, the
First Sugar Daddy, who put up $1.35 million of his own money. The
businessman has raised millions for the President's campaigns, legal debts
and library, and now he's fund-raising for Mrs. Clinton.

Although the arrangement is legal, it is one more large and awkward debt for
a couple who never get out of debt, emotional or financial.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/opinion/dowd/090899dowd.html

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[CTRL] Beating killed my baby, says Liz Taylor [london telegraph]


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ISSUE 1566 Wednesday 8 September 1999

Beating killed my baby, says Liz Taylor
By Philip Delves Broughton in New York

THE first husband of actress Elizabeth Taylor kicked her in the stomach when
he was drunk and caused her to lose their child, she has revealed.

Talking about the incident for the first time, she accuses Nicky Hilton,
heir to the Hilton hotel chain, of beating her up regularly during their
nine-month marriage.

She said: "I had terrible pains. I saw the baby. I didn't know I was
pregnant, so it wasn't a malicious or on-purpose kind of act. It just
happened."

Miss Taylor gave an interview to Talk magazine and discusses her eight
marriages, saying her time with Hilton, a spoiled handsome waster, was the
worst.

She said: "I was a virgin - I was half-hearted. He started drinking two
weeks after we got married. I thought he was a nice, pure, all-American boy.
Two weeks later, Wham! Bam! All the physical abuse started."

Of her other husbands, Miss Taylor, who had eventually had four children, is
particularly contemptuous of Eddie Fisher, a fellow actor and singer, and
Senator John Warner of Virginia. She said that her marriage to Warner, now
the chairman of the Senate armed services committee, crumbled because of his
obsession with his career while she struggled with her increasing depression
in Washington.

Miss Taylor said she sold a 69-carat diamond and her purple Rolls-Royce to
get him elected. Once she moved to Washington, she said that Warner, who
called her Pooters, used to come home exhausted. She told the magazine:
"Then he would say, 'Why don't you pour yourself a Jack Daniels, Pooters,
and go on upstairs and watch TV'."

Miss Taylor said: "I thought, 'My Jack Daniels are getting larger and
larger, and if I don't get my finger out, I'm going to drink myself either
to death or into such a stupor that there is going to be no life for me'."

Her most passionate relationship was with Richard Burton, whom she married
twice, and she still keeps a painting in her home of the Swiss castle near
where she secretly met him after the filming of Cleopatra.

Now recovering at home from her 18th fall, Miss Taylor lives a secluded
Hollywood life, surrounded by her art collection and goes out on "dates"
with a small retinue of men. They include the actor Rod Steiger, a Beverly
Hills dentist, her hairdresser, Michael Jackson and Jackson's dermatologist.

She usually rises in the mid-afternoon, and Steiger often appears later in
an old Honda to take her out for burgers and fried chicken. Her friendship
with Jackson began more than 15 years ago and has lasted longer than any of
her marriages. The pop singer offered her tickets to see him in Los Angeles.
The seats he gave her, however, were at the back of the stadium and she and
her family left early. Jackson telephoned in tears the next day to
apologise.

Now they have what Paul Theroux, who interviewed Taylor for Talk, calls a
"Wendy and Peter" relationship. They often go to the cinema together in
disguise and hold hands in the back row.

She says: "Everything about Michael is truthful. And there is something in
him that is so dear and childlike - not childish, but childlike - that we
both have and identify with. We have such fun together, just playing."

Jackson returns the compliments, calling Miss Taylor his greatest
confidante. He said: "Elizabeth is someone who loves me - really loves me."
He even compares her to a mother, "and more than that. She's a friend. She's
a Mother Teresa, Princess Diana, the Queen, and Wendy".

Miss Taylor says she would never consider writing an autobiography, "because
some of it has been so painful, I couldn't relive it. Which is one of the
reasons I've avoided psychiatry".

She says: "I couldn't go back to some of those places and totally relive
them. I think I'd go out of my mind." The only time she visited a marriage
counsellor was at the request of her last husband, Larry Fortensky, a
construction worker. "Got into the car," she says, "did it. Then we wouldn't
speak until the next appointment."

Her marriage to Fortensky, she says, began falling apart when he gave up
work and stayed at home drinking.

Before that, it was romantic. "I used to get up at four in the morning and
have breakfast with him," says Miss Taylor. "Then he would come home and it
was wonderful - he was sweaty, he had dirty hands, he was beautiful and he
played with his pigeons. I was so proud of him for working. I was kind of
hurt when he stopped."

Now Miss Taylor devotes herself to her Aids charities, for which she has
raised more than £60 million, and looks forward to her visits from Steiger
and Jackson.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=001863356114602rtmo=kJZoN3Zpatmo=
pg=/et/99/9/8/wtayl08.html

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[CTRL] FW: Deutschebank report:Ag Biotech: Thanks, But No Thanks?

1999-09-08 Thread Dave


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forwarded...

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: MichaelP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 12:49 AM
To: unlikely.suspects :;
Subject: RE: Deutschebank report:Ag Biotech: Thanks, But No Thanks?

Theres's something curious going on.

Y'all remember the "withering away of the state " as part of the language
used and discussed by Marx, Engels, Lenin [ see eg
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/sep/staterev/ch05.htm ]

Whether the Soviet Union was part of what those thinkers had in mind is
debatable; in any case the manner in which that state withered away didn't
provide a healthy example of something desirable.

The  appearence and putting into effect of neoliberal ideas seems to
depend not on the  "withering away of the state " , but rather on the
"withering away of society, or more corrrectly of  ideas of community, and
their total replacement by the idea that market forces are the only guide
to state action."  This reminds me about Maggie Thatcher's dictum that
"THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE."

I'm sure there is a book to be written - perhaps it  already exists
outside my limited knowledge.  This of course takes us away from democracy
and the idea of "one person one vote" as a means of guiding  state action;
the replacement is that state action is to be guided by whover/whatever
can make money and thereby guide/control the market.

In the single realm of genetic manipulation, we call for the slowing down,
at least, of the introduction of GM foods because we have not been
satisfied that sufficient precautions have been taken to avoid
yet-unanticipated consequences.

But what I see as curious is that , suddenly,  it's the market rather than
society that  seems to be directing the result.

It's a few weeks since Deutsche Bank issued its report on
"Ag. Biotech: Thanks But No Thanks"
http://www.biotech-info.net/Deutsche.pdf
[in acrobat format]

I'm posting much of the text in that report - that means leaving out the
diagrams, tables - but those remain available for inspection, and
meanwhile what the bankers say is fascinating.

Cheers
MichaelP

=
Ag Biotech: Thanks, But No Thanks?
Table of Contents
Ag Biotech: Thanks, But No Thanks?
The GMO Debate.
Europe versus the United States of America
Premiums for Non-GMOs
"Against the Grain"
The Ag-Biotechnology Revolution
Appendix 1: GMOs - What Are They Saying in Corn Country?
Appendix 2: GMOs Are Dead
Table of Exhibits
Figure 1: Attitudes to Genetically Modified Foodstuffs
Figure 2: Premium for Non-GMO Soybeans
Figure 3: Unresolved Questions From Against the Grain
Figure 4: Biotech Market Opportunity
==

Let's state up front that this is not an indictment against the safety of
GMOs (genetically modified organisms). We are willing to believe that the
GMO crops are safe and, in fact, may provide a benefit for the
environment. What we are saying, however, is that the perception wars are
being lost by industry, one battle after another, and there is little on
the near-term horizon likely to replicate General Pickett's Charge in
favor of industry. Perception is far more important than reality for this
issue. With that said, let's look at the perceptions and how we believe
this is likely to play out.

Industry fully believes that it has science on its side, but science may
not be enough. We have long used the analogy of nuclear energy and confess
we are pleased to see The Economist in a recent article pick up on the
theme. We believe that the science of nuclear energy is safe and
warranted, but the public reluctance following Three Mile Island and
Chernobyl effectively killed it in this country, despite successes in
France and elsewhere.

Consensus opinion on ag-biotechnology has been steadfastly bullish for
quite some time now. We recall feeling very much in the minority when we
participated in a Wall Street Transcript roundtable last fall with other
sell-side major chemical analysts who felt optimistic with respect to
ag-biotech. Nary a discouraging word was spoken with respect to
ag-biotech. Although we were not born in St. Louis (Newark, NJ, actually),
one can safely say that we are from Missouri on this issue - "Show me."
The mere fact that an industry leader such as DuPont steadfastly refuses
to publicly forecast when ag-biotech will yield a return on investment
does trouble us.

Although it has been nine months since we first printed our concerns about
ag-biotech going the way of nuclear energy in this country, we count
ourselves among those surprised at how rapidly this forecast appears to be
playing out. Not a day goes by lately where concerns and/or rebuttals are
not in the press somewhere in the world. Domestic concerns regarding
ag-biotechnology are clearly on the rise, with the Monarch

[CTRL] SPECIAL OPS INVOLVED IN WACO OPERATION PRIOR TO FATAL BATF RAID


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VOLUME 1 | SEPTEMBER 7, 1999 | NUMBER 21

SPECIAL OPS INVOLVED IN WACO OPERATION PRIOR TO FATAL BATF RAID

By. John Culbertson

In the continuing investigation into recent revelations surrounding the
tragic events at Waco, FRONTLINE has obtained information that clearly shows
the United States Army Special Operations Command had a long and highly
involved role in the Federal law Enforcement actions against the Branch
Davidians near Waco, Texas.

Documents obtained by FRONTLINE show involvement of the US Military as early
as December 17, 1992 in the planning of the raid on the Branch Davidian
compound.

An ODA, or Operational Detachment Alpha or in popular parlance a hand picked
"A" team known as ODA 381 from the United States Army Special Operations
Command located at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina received orders to proceed to
Texas in order to participate in training BATF agents at Ft. Hood at the
MOUT or Military Operations in Urban Terrain site.

The ODA is not a normal component of Joint Task Force Six and planning
documents indicate that USASOC had concerns regarding the legality of the
proposed mission.

The order known as "FRAGO "E" to OPORDER JT002-93 is dated February 14,
1993. "FRAGO" is a term that stands for Fragmentary Order. The US military
defines FRAGO as "A FRAGO provides brief, specific, and timely instructions
without loss of clarity, FRAGOs contain changes or information of immediate
concern. These orders may be written or oral. The FRAGO will be issued to
change an order that has already been issued."

FRAGO "E" was issued to the detachment of at least 8 known soldiers who were
operating under an OPORDER or Operational Order that had been issued in
December of 1992. The order does not instruct the detachment members to take
part in the assault on the Davidian Compound and it cautions the members of
the detachment to follow the Rules of Engagement with respect to interfacing
with BATF agents with extreme care.

However a line on page one provides ample illustration as to the very
different missions of the US Military and US Law Enforcement. Under item 1.
"Situation" is line "a." which reads: "Enemy Forces: SEE THREAT ASSESSMENT,
ANNEX A."

"Enemy Forces" is the key term here, it is what the military is all about.
In the simplest of terms an army goes out to face the enemy and kill or be
killed, that is war. It is dangerous, it is the ultimate in many ways and in
the outcome people die.

Law enforcement however is a much more complex task, there is no room in our
system for "Enemy Forces", the Constitution does not protect the rights of
the enemy, it protects the rights of the accused or in modern day
terminology the suspect. When a law enforcement agent goes out to arrest a
suspect he may well be on the receiving end of treatment from someone who
wants to be his or her enemy, but in spite of what the suspect wants to dish
out, in the eyes of the law he is still a suspect. This is what makes the
job of law enforcement tough, and yet so very important to our way of life.
When you cross the line, people die.

The United States Army Special Operations Command was very sensitive to this
mission and documents show many concerns were raised about the involvement
of USASOC in the operation. A hand written fourth page of the FRAGO "E"
cautions detachment members not to get on camera as BATF had apparently
arranged for a film crew to record the mission. The order instructs the
detachment members to "make sure this is up front with film crew, not ATF."
Members are also instructed to "support ATF anyway you can within your ROE
(Rules OF Engagement) and sustainment capabilities.

According to statements of detachment members and reports filed with USASOC
the ODA arrived at Ft. Hood on February 22, 1993 and left in two parties on
February 27, 1993 and February 28, 1993. The order called for the ODA to
EXFIL or exit via UH60-L Blackhawk helicopters on February 27, 1993. Six
members of the eight man detachment left in helicopters on February 27, 1993
according to reports filed with USASOC. Four members then left in two rental
vans on February 28, 1993 according to the mission commanders report, but
this raises questions as to the actual events and mission.

According to the FRAGO "E" order ODA 381 was composed of eight persons.
Reports filed after the mission indicate that ten persons were involved with
ODA 381. It is known from reports that the Company Commander from Ft. Bragg
arrived via commercial airline on February 24, 1993 but it is not clear if
he was a passenger on one of the Blackhawks, he does not indicate whether
this is so in his report. There has been speculation that the mission
requirements changed midstream and that some members of the ODA also known
as MTT might have been present at the initial raid n the Branch Davidian
complex.

USASOC had expressed reservations about the type of mission that was being
planned and the possible legal

Re: [CTRL] Centuries-old Scottish secret society discovered


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- Original Message -
From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I guess you have to be an "initiated" member of the most politically
powerful
 secret societies, welcomed into the exclusive "Men's Club," to be made
truly
 privy to their "secret of secrets" in an "illuminating" way ...  The rich
ARE
 different, I take it ...

Just different in the sense that it is all just a mindset. One person can
walk across a bridge past monuments  buildings and see just that, while the
ones steeped in such junk will see phalluses, references to the sun-god and
a virtual 'playland' of other symbolic effigies. It is literally like the
movie 'They Live' ... their so-called knowledge becomes a lens through which
their mind is made able to peer off into an encyclopedic abyss of what they
have been told is 'truth.' Too bad it's just the same old pagan sun-god and
phallic nonsense that countless others before have sat around obsessing over
forever..

I suppose it begins there, and then mutates into madness, leading them to
measure each other, dress in drag, etc.

--
Dan S

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[CTRL] Don't limit Waco probe to FBI's tear-gas use


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Wednesday, September 08, 1999
Restoring credibility
Don't limit Waco probe to FBI's tear-gas use

By ROWLAND NETHAWAY

   WACO, TEXAS -- A lot more needs to be answered than simply why it took
FBI officials and Attorney General Janet Reno six years to report that
agents fired flammable tear gas canisters during the deadly final assault on
the Branch Davidians' compound in 1993.

If that's the only question that this new investigation attempts to
answer, the exercise will be another waste of paper and will make Americans
even more cynical about their government.

It's obvious why it took until now for Reno and FBI Director Louis Freeh
to talk about the need to investigate the firing of incendiary military
tear-gas rounds the morning that the compound was engulfed in flames. They
had no choice.

Right up until physical evidence to the contrary was dropped in their
laps, they denied for six years that FBI agents fired pyrotechnic devices.

Assuming the leaders of the Justice Department and the Federal Bureau of
Investigation were misled by their own people, then they both are in charge
of such slipshod operations that some of the nation's top law-enforcement
officials are not above misleading their bosses, Congress and the American
people. That's the charitable assessment.

A recently discovered videotape shot from a surveillance aircraft that
morning contains a soundtrack that clearly contains discussions among FBI
Hostage Rescue Team members in which a team member asks a superior for
permission to fire military tear-gas cartridges that release gas by burning.
An FBI superior grants permission to fire the incendiary tear-gas
cartridges.

The radio traffic among assault-team members was monitored in real time
throughout the FBI chain of command at the scene and by FBI officials in
Washington, D.C., either simultaneously or with a slight time delay,
according to an FBI official.

After it was clear that the assault and subsequent inferno resulted in a
historic tragedy, FBI officials in Waco held a press conference to make
their first unequivocal denial that FBI agents fired incendiary or
pyrotechnic devices during the assault.

An outside investigation needs to answer a lot more than why Reno and
FBI officials misled Congress and the American people about the pyrotechnic
tear gas for the past six years.

The purpose of a new probe should be to ensure American citizens that
they can respect the fairness and honesty of their government. Another
piecemeal investigation can never accomplish this goal. A new investigation
into ""what happened in Waco'' should encompass the entire gamut of
government involvement from beginning to end.

Was there probable cause for the search warrant, for instance? Was
military involvement in the raid, siege and final assault out of bounds?
Were military officials misled? Why did the FBI refuse to cooperate with the
Texas Rangers during the siege and go out of its way to destroy crucial
crime-scene evidence? Why was an arson investigator hired with close ties to
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms?

For the sake of the credibility of the federal government, there should
be an outside investigation of the entire Branch Davidian debacle.
Malefactors should be held accountable.

ROWLAND NETHAWAY is senior editor of the Waco (Texas) Tribune-Herald.

COX NEWSPAPERS

--
Dan S

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: WND Clinton CORRUPTION, COLLUSION NEPOTISM


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In a message dated 09/08/1999 10:17:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Probably true in Clinton's case, OR he may just be better at hiding all the
 illegal wealth that he may have garnered than Suharto was.  Hmmm? 

You're probably right.  I just can't figure out why nobody gave Clinton a
house.  After all, Bush got one and Reagan got a whole ranch, in California
no less.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed the ...


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In a message dated 09/08/1999 10:04:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 action. Most would be killed quickly as
  if put into a crematory retort alive. 

Never say our FBI and ATF are not merciful.  When they kill children, they do
it quickly.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Centuries-old Scottish secret society discovered


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I suppose it begins there, and then mutates into madness, leading them to
measure each other, dress in drag, etc.

Too much idle time on their hands.   I think the rich and powerful need a
REAL job.

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Re: [CTRL] Ex-HUD thug pleads guilty


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The plea bargain ends a case that critics had condemned as an abuse of the
 independent counsel law and a trivial matter turning only on the amount of
 money Mr. Cisneros paid his former paramour, Linda Medlar Jones. 

How true.  I really don't know why the FBI was interested in how much he paid
the lady.  It was before his term of office, and seemed like personal stuff
to me.  Still perhaps one of the agents was shopping for a woman and wanted
to make sure he wasn't overpaying.  Prudy

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You're probably right.  I just can't figure out why nobody gave Clinton a
house.  After all, Bush got one and Reagan got a whole ranch, in California
no less.

Because, with the Clintons, it takes a village.

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[CTRL] Pre-emptive Profiling in Schools


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 "The profile lists 16 features that may distinguish violence-prone
children.  Among them are: social withdrawal, feelings of rejection, and poor
grades."
  Well, that narrows it down -- to only 99% of high school students in
America ...


Schools Begin 'Student Profiling'

By BRIGITTE GREENBERG
.c The Associated Press

WALLINGFORD, Conn. (AP) - Much like the FBI developing psychological profiles
to track terrorists and serial killers, school psychologists are putting
together checklists of characteristics common among students prone to
violence.

With the pain of the deadly shootings at Columbine High School in Littleton,
Colo., still fresh, Wallingford Superintendent of Schools Joseph Cirasuolo
said he would be remiss not to adopt ``student profiling'' in his district of
7,000 pupils.

``Our purpose in doing that is to intervene well before they ever decide to
go out and buy a gun and do some damage,'' he said.

The profile of a potentially violent student will be given to staff
throughout the district's 12 schools. If someone fits the description, the
student's parents will be notified, Cirasuolo said.

``We intervene early if we think a youngster has reading problems. We
intervene early if we think a youngster has adjustment problems and matters
of that type,'' he said. ``So why shouldn't we intervene early if we think a
youngster may be prone to violence?''

There are similar efforts across the country. In Granite City, Ill., school
administrators are measuring students against a behavior checklist that
includes abusive language, cruelty to animals and writings reflecting an
interest in ``the dark side of life.'' Students who fit the profile can
undergo counseling, be transferred to an alternative education program or
even be expelled.

Critics call ``student profiling'' an overreaction to the rash of school
shootings, including the Columbine attack in which 15 people died. They fear
that children who do not reflect an image of the perfect student could be
unfairly labeled.

``Different doesn't mean dangerous,'' said American Civil Liberties Union
spokeswoman Emily Whitfield. ``Not only are students being unfairly targeted
but, in some cases, there's not a whole lot of thought going into it.''

Nevertheless, there is increasing demand from school districts for training
on warning signs.

FBI agents led conferences on school violence recently in Hamden, Conn., and
Lansing, Mich., instructing teachers on behavioral science and psychological
profiling.

Peter Blauvelt, president of the National Alliance for Safe Schools in
Slanesville, W.Va., said he has spent the summer crisscrossing the country,
giving workshops in schools from Georgia to Washington state.

``I wouldn't call it panic, but people are saying, 'Look we realize that we
are not prepared to deal with a major crisis and we need to be prepared,'''
he said.

There are plenty of character checklists for teachers to draw from. The
National School Safety Center in Westlake Village, Calif., has created a list
of 20 warning signs. The American Psychological Association and MTV produced
a guide called, ``Warning Signs.'' In ``The Memphis Conference: Suggestions
for Preventing and Dealing with Student Initiated Violence,'' criminologist
William Reisman lists 50 telltale indicators.

``Metal detectors, video cameras - all the equipment creates a false sense of
security,'' Reisman said. ``The problem is the heart and mind of the kid.''

One publication widely read by school administrators this summer was ``Early
Warning, Timely Response: A Guide to Safe Schools.'' The guide from the
National Association of School Psychologists, the U.S. Department of
Education and other agencies was commissioned by President Clinton last year
and distributed to schools nationwide.

The guide has 16 features that may distinguish violence-prone children,
including social withdrawal, feelings of rejection, and poor academic
performance. But association spokeswoman Elizabeth Kuffner warned that the
guide should not be used to predict which students will go on a rampage.

``Definitely there are warning signs. Definitely there are things to look
for. But to just say a kid fits this profile, we don't think is a good
idea,'' she said.

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[CTRL] Conspiracies, Lies, and Hidden Agendas

1999-09-08 Thread David Crockett Williams

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From: Remy C. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@pimout5-int.prodigy.net;;;
Undisclosed-Recipient:;@pimout5-int.prodigy.net;;;
Subject: [endsecrecy] Conspiracies, Lies, and Hidden Agendas
Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 11:36 AM

[ New book. Quite fun actually, a bit like RAW's latest, but more trendy.
Borders now has a new name for the book section all the UFO books used to be
in. Now the category is called: "Speculation". By the way, if so inclined,
there's a "really" good interview with Richard Belzer in the latest issue of
Perfect 10 magazine. He lives in the South of France which I did not know.
It's not posted on their website. His upcoming TV talk show could do for
television what Bell did for radio. Rem ]
Conspiracies, Lies, and Hidden Agendas
by Mick Farren

List Price: $15.95
Our Price: $12.76
.

Paperback - 256 pages (July 1, 1999)
Renaissance Books; ISBN: 1580630774 ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.67 x 9.01 x
6.00

Reviews
Amazon.com
Mick Farren's A-to-Z compendium of conspiracy theory icons and other
subcultural flash points offers an effective combination of documentation
and humor. In addition to the expected material on the Trilateral
Commission, the JFK assassination, and whatever it is the government's
keeping in Area 51, Conspiracies, Lies, and Hidden Agendas has entries for
incidents that never quite made it into the most popular versions of the
secret history of the New World Order. Everyone remembers the Iran-Contra
portion of the Reagan administration, for example, but Farren reminds us of
the brief hullabaloo surrounding the 1983 murder of Vicki Morgan, the
mistress of Reagan crony Alfred Bloomingdale. Visual icons situate each
entry into one or more of 15 separate categories, including aliens, Nazis,
the feds, and religious cults. (Of the Church of Scientology, though, Farren
merely notes that they "have many lawyers and they tend to sue anyone who
says bad things about them.") Among the most recent phenomena noted in the
book are the "Bill Clinton death list" that circulated on the Internet and
in right-wing media in 1998, and the 1999 high school massacre at Littleton,
Colorado.
Book Description
According to Newsweek magazine, three quarters of Americans believe the "the
government is involved in conspiracy." The X-Files is a national phenomenon.
As we approach the year 2000, the media is filled with dire predictions of
new millennium paranoia

In an A-Z directory format, Conspiracies, Lies, and Hidden Agendas by Mick
Farren contains over 200 entries. Neither poking fun at conspiracy buffs nor
conceding all arguments to skeptics, Farren's insightful account provides an
objective and fascinating look at contemporary phenomenon.

Customer Comments
Average Customer Review:  Number of Reviews: 1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] from USA , June 24, 1999
Entertaining comments on 200+ fascinating topics
There are about 235 essay, ranging from one sentence to 3-4 pages on 15
topics, each assigned an icon. There are about 355 uses of the icons in the
book, but these categories are not indexed. (I have indexed these and will
share with those interested.) Most popular topic Teh Feds (65 mentions),
then aliens (40), and so forth to only 11 mentions of magnetism. Surpringly,
drugs, computers and the "end of teh world" are amoung the topics mentioend
only a dozen times or so. On a critical note, Christians will not like to
see The Book of Revelation described as "science fiction." No sources are
given for the articles, while a short bibliography is given, but not
thematically. The index is very selective. A fun read. Many of the topics
deserve a serious follow-up for authentic "inquiring minds."

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1999-09-08 Thread ric carter


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SkeptiNews 990908a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: Software glitches hampered production of this bulletin. Damn MicroSoft.
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# Valley veteran tells of training for alien contact. SAN MATEO- Dan Sherman
  has decided to come out of the closet - the UFO closet. He has written a
  book about his experiences as an "intuitive communicator" for the USAF.
  In "Above Black," Sherman claims he was recruited into the ultra-elite
  "Project Preserve Destiny" program  whose members were trained to receive
  messages from aliens. http://modbee.com/metro/story/0,1113,101048,00.html

: Have you trained for contact with aliens? Are you professional or amateur?
Are you alien? Do you prefer contacting Pros, Ams? Who's easier to control??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Suspected NYC encephalitis cases up. (AP) Thousands of acres in New York
  City were sprayed with the insecticide Malathion after more people were
  suspected of being infected with St. Louis Encephalitis, a virus spread
  by mosquitoes. 37 people are now suspected of having the viral brain in-
  fection. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561048321-53f

# Pre-human skull found in NYC shop. (AP) A fossil skull, presumably of a
  Homo erectus believed up to 1 million years old, was found in a Manhattan
  shop. Paleoanthropologists concluded that the skull is a genuine specimen
  from Indonesia that could be crucial in determining the place on the human
  family tree of the East Asia branch of Homo erectus. Worth US$500,000:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561048915-268

# NYC cop found in subway, unsure why. NEW YORK (AP) An off-duty cop insists
  he doesn't know how he ended up deep inside a subway tunnel, covered with
  soot, with one ankle broken and a gun emptied of all its bullets. Routine:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561052151-07f

: What is it with NewYawkCity and heads? Have you ever lost your head there?
Has your brain, nervous system ever been infected there? Do ETs live there??
Do ETs take over the brains of NYC cops? Are you in NYC? Are you controlled?
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$ NEW LANDSAT 7 IMAGES OF EARTH NOW AVAILABLE. After launching last spring,
  NASA's latest Earth-imaging satellite has completed its checkout phase and
  is now "open for business."  New images from Landsat 7 are now available
  for viewing and purchase by scientific researchers and the general public
  via the Internet from the USGS and NASA.  See  http://landsat7.usgs.gov

: What's your favorite Earth image? Would you rather buy/steal images from
NASA, ESA, RSA, MTV, aliens, me? Whaddya do with Earth images? Is it kinky?
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# Scientist Raises Hackles at Ars. LINZ, Austria - Even after Jeremy Rifkin
  returned to Washington DC, the mostly European assemblage here at the Ars
  Electronica festival was still not sure what to make of him and his
  message. But he definitely got their attention. "Ah, the preacher!"

: Are we doomed by technology? Is knowledge dangerous? Is Rifkin spooky? Are
you skeptical of techno-skeptics? Who controls Rifkin? Who controls you? Eh?
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@ THE FORCE. A programmer in New Zealand is reproducing the entire Star Wars
  (Episode IV) film in animated ASCII on the web -likely because he's bored.
  Needs Java 1.1 support.  May not work on Netscape Navigator, but is OK on
  Explorer 5 here. You can see it so far at: www.asciimation.co.nz/

: Do you have a life? Are mania or boredom required for extraordinary work?
Have you manually translated Genesis into Klingon yet? Will you finish soon?
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SkeptiBriefs:

# Soothsayer: 9-9-99 Will Be Good Day For Thais. BANGKOK - The date 9 Sept,
  which sparked fears of a 9-9-99 computer bug, will actually be a lucky day
  for Thailand's people, the country's most sought-after fortune teller sez.
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/990908/08/odd-leisure-thailand-soothsayer

# NASA Reveals New Plasma Model For Planet Earth. Seen from space, the Earth
  looks like it's floating in a black void. But, unseen by our eyes and most
  cameras, the Earth is actually surrounded by a complex system of interact-
  ing electric/magnetic fields, electric currents and charged particles.
  PLASMA:  http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast07sep99_1.htm

# NRC Says 28 U.S. Nuclear Reactors Need Y2K Fix. WASHINGTON (Reuters) The
  Nuclear Regulatory Commission says 28 nuclear power reactors in the U.S.
  need to upgrade their computers to avoid possible Y2K computer problems,
  though none of the work still to be done involves computer safety systems.
  Hopefully.  http://news.excite.com/news/r/990908/02/science-yk-nuclear

# Once A Sci-Fi Dream, Skycar Nears Reality. DAVIS, Calif. (Reuters) Once
  the stuff of science

[CTRL] Danke Deutscheland


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Recipe for a nice, well-ordered society? AER 

 NAZI NOSTALGIA
 IN CROATIA
 by Diana Johnstone
 Sept. 6, 1999

 [ (c) Diana Johnstone, 1999. This article may be distributed non-commercially by
 any method including reposting on websites, email and printing, but please
 reproduce it in full including this note. For commercial distribution contact
 http://www.emperors-clothes.com to make arrangements.]

 When I visited Croatia three years ago, the book most prominently displayed in
 the leading bookstores of the capital city Zagreb was a new edition of the
 notorious anti-Semitic classic, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Next came
 the memoires of the World War II Croatian fascist Ustashe dictator Ante Pavelic,
 responsible for the organized genocide of Serbs, Jews and Romany (gypsies) that
 began in 1941, that is, even before the German Nazi "final solution".

 However, if the Croatian fascists actually led, rather than followed, the German
 Nazis down the path of genocide, that doesn't mean they have forgotten their
 World War II benefactors. After all, it was thanks to Hitler's invasion of
 Yugoslavia that the "Independent State of Croatia" was set up in April 1941,
 with Bosnia-Herzegovina (whose population was mostly Serb at the time) as part
 of its territory. And the hit song of 1991, when Croatia once again declared its
 independence from Yugoslavia and began driving out Serbs, was "Danke
 Deutschland" in gratitude to Germany's strong diplomatic support for Zagreb's
 unnegotiated secession.

 In the West, of course, one will quickly object that the Germany of today is not
 the Germany of 1941. True enough. But in Zagreb, with a longer historical view,
 they are so much the same that visiting Germans are sometimes embarrassed when
 Croats enthusiastically welcome them with a raised arm and a Nazi "Heil!"
 greeting.

 So it should be no surprise that this year's best seller in Croatia is none
 other than a new edition of "Mein Kampf". This is not a critical edition, mind
 you, but a reverently faithful reproduction of the original text by that great
 European leader, benefactor of Croatian nationalism and leader of the Third
 Reich, Adolf Hitler.

 The magazine "Globus" reported that "Mein Kampf" is selling like hotcakes in all
 segments of Croatian society. For those who want to read more, there is a new
 book entitled "The Protocols of Zion, the Jews and Adolf Hitler" by Mladen
 Schwartz, leader of the Croatian neo-Nazi party New Right, and "Talks with
 Hitler" by the Fuhrer's aide Herman Rauschning, as well as various other
 memoires celebrating the Ustashe state whose violent massacres of Serbs shocked
 the Italian fascist allies and even German diplomatic observers at the time.

 The dissident Croatian writer Predrag Matvejevic, who has Italian citizenship,
 has sent the Rijeka daily "Novi List" an open letter to the Association of
 Croatian Writers and the Croatian center of the International PEN club
 denouncing their failure to protest at this promotion of the absolute worst of
 racist Nazi propaganda. "Passing through the streets of Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik
 and other cities in Croatia, countless Croatian citizens whose parents took part
 in the anti-fascist Partisan struggle are ashamed to see the works and
 photographs of Hitler and other Nazi and Ustashe criminals displayed in bookshop
 indows," he wrote. "Their publication is a disgrace to Croatia and its culture".
 This is "no accident", he said, "in Tudjman's Croatia." For this is the same
 regime, he noted, that has allowed the destruction of thousands of monuments to
 the victims of fascism, from one end of Croatia to the other, and in which mass
 is celebrated non-stop in honor of the Ustashe "fuhrer" Pavelic in the churches
 of Split and Zagreb, the Italian daily "Il Manifesto" reported on September 3.

 In another report in "Il Manifesto", Giacomo Scotti reported from Zagreb that
 the terrorist campaign by nationalist bands led by the neofascist "Croatian
 Party of Rights" has been stepping up its pogroms against the small number of
 Serbs now living in the Krajina region. The overwhelmingly Serb population was
 driven from the Krajina by the U.S.-backed "Operation Storm" in August 1995.
 Officially, under heavy international pressure, the Croatian government has
 allowed some Serbs to come back, mostly old farmers. However, on August 25, the
 Croatian Supreme Court denied local tribunals the right to hear complaints from
 citizens who had not been allowed to enter their property, thus encouraging
 lawlessness.

 With the complicity of the authorities, armed bands have been breaking into the
 few homes reoccupied by their Serb owners, beating and threatening old people
 and devastating their farms, chopping down trees and destroying crops to force
 them to leave. These facts are contained in two letters to the Croatian
 government from the Croatian Helsinki Committee for Human Rights.

 By now, however, it

Re: [CTRL] Roll over Karl. A racist capitalist bigot will save theworking man.


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pennie hammons wrote:

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 Read Forbes' new book, A New Birth Of Freedom, and vote for the guy who will
 do this without the bigotry!

No thanks. The problem in this country is that it's a Plutocracy.
Voting for a millonaire capitalist pig who can buy the office is
exactly what we don't need.

Gore- Millionaire, Capitalist, Political Dynasty.
Bush- Millionaire, Capitalist, Political Dynasty.
Forbes- Millionaire, Capitalist, Media Dynasty.

I suggest you look up the definition of Plutocracy.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] Godfthers of Indonesian crisis


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John Pilger

Having finally discovered East Timor, most of the media have now left,
blaming a "descent into violence". The long, silent years mock these words.
The descent began almost a quarter of a century ago when Indonesian special
forces invaded the defenceless Portuguese colony. On December 7, 1975, a lone
radio voice rose and fell in the static: "The soldiers are killing
indiscriminately. Women and children are being shot in the streets. This is
an appeal for international help. This is an SOS - please help us."

No help came, because the western democracies were secret partners in a crime
as great and enduring as any this century; proportionally, not even Pol Pot
matched Suharto's spree. Air Force One, carrying President Ford and his
secretary of state Henry Kissinger, climbed out of Indonesian airspace the
day the bloodbath began. "They came and gave Suharto the green light," Philip
Liechty, the CIA desk officer in Jakarta at the time, told me. "The invasion
was delayed two days so they could get the hell out. We were ordered to give
the Indonesian military everything they wanted. I saw all the hard
intelligence; the place was a free-fire zone. Women and children were herded
into school buildings that were set alight - and all because we didn't want
some little country being neutral or leftist at the United Nations." And all
because western capital regarded Indonesia as a "prize".

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Re: [CTRL] What the corporate press isn't tellingyouabouttheIndonesianMilitias


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Bill wrote:

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 And again you are emminently qualified to judge dumbness, I
 can tell...you a Doctor of Dumb?  Sounds like it...
 BG


I may not be emminently qualified, but I sure know it when I
see it. And it's getting easier all the time.

Joshua2


 Nurev Ind Research wrote:
 
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  9/8/99
 
  When all you have is a hammer (and no brain), everything starts looking
  like a nail.
 
   Bill wrote:
  
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   I think they are trying to create dread and loathing against
   the word "Militia".
 
  This is the dumbest thing I've herd yet. American " patriots "
  don't have a monopoly on the word militia. Most militias are just
  a bunch of violent assholes. The Indonesian Militias are patriots
  too.
 
  Joshua2

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[CTRL] Chain Gang


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From The Free Republic

 Albanian mafia targets Britain


 Foreign Affairs News Keywords: ALBANIAN MAFIA KOSOVO NATO (BY DEFAULT)
 Source: The Guardian (UK)
 Published: September 7th 1999 Author: Nick Hopkins, Crime Correspondent
 Posted on 09/07/1999 16:05:42 PDT by Kate22



 Heavily-armed gangs throw out Italian families to seize control of the criminal
 underworld in Milan

 The Albanian mafia is targeting Britain in an effort to expand its European-wide
 illegal immigration, drug trafficking and arms dealing operations, security
 experts warned yesterday.

 According to the national criminal intelligence service, heavily armed Albanian
 gangs have established footholds in Germany, Switzerland, Greece and Italy and
 in recent months there have been signs of "organised criminal activity" in
 Britain.

 NCIS investigators said the power of the groups, which recently took control of
 the criminal underworld in Milan after a two-year power struggle, must not be
 underestimated.

 "They threw out the Italian mafia families," said an NCIS source. "That is how
 violent they are." Ian Morrison, head of NCIS's south-east region, said many
 Albanians seeking asylum in Britain were criminals posing as refugees.

 "There is evidence from customs and excise that this is happening. It stands to
 reason that some criminal groups will start to become established here. The same
 thing has happened in mainland Europe. The experience on the continent is that
 they are very aggressive. They present a serious and growing threat."

 The Albanian mafia is regarded as the fastest growing in Europe.

 It is thought to control many of the people-smuggling routes from east to west
 and has muscled in on the heroin trafficking trade run by Turkish mafias.

 Like traditional Sicilian mafias, the Albanian organisations are built around
 families. Every mafia member observes the Besa - a strict oath of trust and
 loyalty.

 Albanian gangs have been particularly active in Italy.

 Earlier this year, Pier Luigi Vigna, Italy's senior mafia prosecutor, chaired a
 summit in Bari to discuss how to tackle a crime wave that included the reported
 smuggling of 10 containers of radioactive material for sale on the black market.


 In November last year, police at Brindisi boarded a boat from Albania and seized
 four kilograms of liquid mercury which was being shipped to western Europe,
 probably for illegal weapons manufacture.

 Albanian gangs are also thought to have taken control of prostitution, gambling
 and drug dealing along Italy's Adriatic coast.

 The potential threat posed by the groups to Britain emerged yesterday when NCIS
 published its annual report.

 John Abbott, the director general, said the trafficking of illegal immigrants
 into Britain was currently controlled by 50 gangs, who charged up to £10,000 for
 each person.

 Nearly all of the gangs were run by Britons.

 He said many immigrants found themselves press-ganged into prostitution, forced
 labour or criminal activity, to pay for their travel.

 "The last five years has seen a tremendous growth in illegal immigration, we see
 no reason to predict that it is going to decrease," Mr Abbott said.

 "The number of gangs involved in this kind of activity has increased enormously
 in the last two years."

 A criminal intelligence service assessment of the level of organised crime in
 Britain has been compiled in a confidential report for police chiefs and the
 home office.

 Mr Abbott refused to reveal details of the study, but said: "The threat is
 increasing and we need a robust response."

 He added: "Serious and organised crime is becoming more international, faster
 moving and more sophisticated, and its effects are increasingly felt in every
 local community throughout the UK."



 Italy PM against weapons for KLA successor force


 Foreign Affairs News Keywords: NATO KOSOVO
 Source: Reuters
 Published: Sept 7th 1999
 Posted on 09/07/1999 15:59:17 PDT by Kate22



 PRISTINA, Sept 7 (Reuters) - Italian Prime Minister Massimo D'Alema said on
 Tuesday the successor force to the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) should not have
 any weapons, at least for the foreseeable future.

 One option for the transformation of the ethnic Albanian guerrilla group into
 some sort of civil protection force is widely reported to allow its members to
 carry handguns.

 But D'Alema made clear that he thought this was out of the question for the time
 being.

 "We're in favour of demilitarisaion, also when it comes to weapons," he told
 reporters after meeting local political leaders and Bernard Kouchner, the head
 of the international administration in Kosovo, in the provincial capital
 Pristina.

 Asked if this meant the new force would not carry weapons, D'Alema replied:
 "That means no weapons, yes."

 He added: "Afterwards we can see. After elections, a democratic government,
 we'll see. But for now, no weapons."

 International officials believe that a general election

[CTRL] Weird Medical Science


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""The literature of modern medicine demands strict adherence to the rigors of
the scientific method: which includes strict intellectual honesty and integrity
and avoiding self-deception. ""

This is fine except how many times do the professionals indulge in activities
that would be best left on the drawing boards?  Of course, there are varieties
of ways -- to approach infinity -- for "practicing" medicine but at what point
do they become means of 'self-deception'  {"doing good", i.e.} or 'other-
deception' {giving hope when and where there might be little or none}.
Deification of the medical community to the point of acceptance by patients of
any and all treatments and procedures may approach the realm of the absurd.
There should be some sort of 'balance' yet the scales tip toward the 'provider'
rather than 'reason'.  The article below examines a result of the deification
of the medicoes ("e" Dan?) in another emotionally charged issue.  "'Cause the
doctor said so ?"  AER 


From NewsMax.CoM

 Scientific Misconduct By Physician Propagandists: A Perspective On Gun
 ViolenceMartin L. Fackler, MDSeptember 7, 1999



 ...learning how to not fool ourselves  of having utter scientific integrity 
 is, I'm sorry to say, something that we haven't specifically included in any
 particular course that I know of. We just hope you've caught on by osmosis.

 The first principle is that you must not fool yourself  and you are the easiest
 person to foolI'm talking about a specific, extra type of integrity that
 is...bending over backwards to show how you're maybe wrong, that you ought to
 have when acting as a scientist. And this is our responsibility as scientists,
 certainly to other scientists, and I think to laymen.

 Surely Youre Joking Mr. Feynman
 (Feynman RP, New York, WW Norton, 1985, pp. 342-3)




 The above citation by Richard Feynman illustrates one of the rigors of the
 scientific method. Scientists who allow their intellect to be misled by their
 emotions fall into the trap of fooling themselves into isolating their
 preconceived strongly held desires and opinions from contradictory facts.

 When scientists allow themselves to be drawn into political agendas their
 heretofore rigorous scientific method is often replaced by a frenzy of
 fanaticism. Are they fooling themselves, or is this conscious fraud?.
 Distinguishing fraud from ignorance is often impossible, but whatever the
 motivation, the effect of the misinformation is equally deleterious. The public
 is most easily misled by political propaganda from highly respected sources.

 An extensive, carefully documented study by Kates DB, Schaffer HE, Lattimer JK,
 Murray GB, Cassem EH., Guns and Public Health: Epidemic of Violence or Pandemic
 of Propaganda? published in the Tennessee Law Review in 1995 (62(3):513-596)*
 tells a sad and shocking story.

 In the late 1970s, physicians from the American public health community
 apparently saw the opportunity for publicity (which helps to obtain funding) in
 the emotionally charged way the media presents, and dwells upon, violence
 involving firearms. Despite lacking expertise about firearms and their effects,
 and ignoring that crime (with or without guns) is clearly in the purview of the
 criminologist, these physicians declared gun violence an "epidemic, and entered
 into a campaign to remove firearms from the hands of the citizens of the United
 States.

 To further this goal, these physicians allied themselves with anti-gun political
 lobbying organizations. Medical journals, including the Journal of the American
 Medical Association (JAMA), and the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)
 became willing partners in this anti-gun advocacy. Most distressingly, the
 taxpayer-funded Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has also joined
 this medical anti-gun political cabal.

 Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, the resulting public health anti-gun
 advocacy literature is emotionally driven and lacks scholarly detachment.
 Prominent "researchers openly admit an overwhelming "hate of firearms  yet,
 contrary to the basic tenets of scientific method, they continue to do
 "research on a subject about which their "hate precludes rational evaluation.
 Grossly inaccurate hyperbole and failure to adhere to basic scientific method
 seem to "slip through any editorial or peer review process  so long as it
 supports the anti-gun advocacy. And, when in print, these abuses are protected
 from the corrective effects of dissent and criticism  by editorial refusal to
 publish corrections (Fackler, ML. JAMA Writes Politically Correct Wound
 Ballistics History and Refuses to Publish Corrections Wound Ballistics Review
 1996;2[3]:44-45).

 Concrete examples of deception by half-truth, failure to address contrary data,
 selecting and manipulating data to validate preordained conclusions, falsifying
 references, fabricating statistics, overt fraud, and more, in the medical

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1999-09-08 Thread John Szocik


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David-good to have you aboard!
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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor

1999-09-08 Thread William Shannon


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In a message dated 9/7/99 9:11:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I certainly agree that this is not a laughing matter.
 ...Only a sick person would post such a thing.

Yeah well whatever, guess it's mighty cool to mock Chelsea Clinton while she
was a mere child though? "Two-faced" double standards are the order of the
day among the bible and guns set I guess...
As Rush would say..."Lighten' Up Folks"
And Limbaugh is ALWAYS right, isn't he? (Ooops, I forgot, he's another "fake"
conservative"...sorry!

Bill

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[CTRL] Fw: WACO: FBI SET FIRE

1999-09-08 Thread Lloyd Miller


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From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]


The report at the following URL presents evidence
NEVER BEFORE SEEN on the Internet from the much-
discussed FLIR video taken over Waco, Texas.

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/wacofire.htm

This evidence, covered briefly in Mike McNulty's
award-winning documentary "Waco: The Rules of
Engagement" and corroborated by expert testimony,
establishes beyond a reasonable doubt that the
fire that engulfed the Mount Carmel Center in
Waco, Texas, was started by the U.S. Government.
This evidence is not being discussed on TV, but,
thanks to the Internet, everyone can see it now!


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Gore Vidal in The American Presidency shows just what counts. Based on
history, look for candidates to have as many of these qualities as
possible:

1) Wealth. George Washington acquired much of his fortune in the most
honest way--he married it. The first president was our first millionaire.

2) Law-breaker. During his two terms, Andrew Jackson broke ninety-three
treaties with Indian tribes.

3) Willing to impose martial law. Lincoln became a dictator. He levied
troops without consulting Congress, shut down newspapers, suspended habeas
corpus, defied the Supreme Court--all in the name of military necessity.

4) Willing to commit genocide. In 1898 the U.S. went to war with Spain,
taking over the Philippines which was seized with the aid of nationalist
guerrillas to whom we promised independence. But, writes Vidal, President
William McKinley decided we ought to keep the Philippines in order to
Christianize the natives. When reminded that Filipinos were already Roman
Catholic, the president responded, Exactly. So we betrayed the
nationalists and began our own conquest Mark Twain saluted the resulting
genocide of 200,000 men, women and children by suggesting that we replace
the stars and stripes in our flag with the skull and crossbones.

5) Aptitude for construction projects. When Colombia refused to give
Theodore Roosevelt land needed for a canal, the president engineered a
rebellion in the section he wanted, then recognized the result as the new
free Republic of Panama and dug his ditch.

6) Able to take over empires from weakened allies. After World War II,
Franklin Roosevelt seized on the opportunity afforded by the devastation
of Europe to command the former colonial powers of England, France and
Holland to give up their empires, allowing them to adhere like metal
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[CTRL] H.R. 2655

1999-09-08 Thread Kathleen

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>President Clinton has decided to run the government by Executive Order
>and fiat.  Toady 12 terrorists promised not to bomb anybody again and not to
>kill any more police officers-now isn't that good?  We need to stop this
>destruction of the Constitution.  Here is some information on a Bill by
>Congressman Ron Paul.  Please act quickly.

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>Representative Ron Paul (Texas) and Representative Jack Metcalf
>(Washington) recently introduced legislation (H.R. 2655 - The Separation of >Powers Restoration Act)  to stop the long-time abuse of presidential executive
>orders.  H.R. 2655 will:
>   1.  Prohibit a presidential executive order from having the effect of
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>   2.  Suspend all states of national emergencies declared since 1976 (the
>last time Congress canceled such declarations).
>   3.  Grant legal standing to individual members of the United States
>Congress, state officials and private citizens who believe a presidential
>executive order is unconstitutional.
>   4.  Repeal the 1973 War Powers Act.

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From
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 September 8, 1999

 On Czechs, the Great Myth-Makers
 By Tomas Pecina

 Few nations have created so many myths about themselves as the Czechs.
 As with other national mythologies, Czech myths mostly concern the
 history and self-perception of the ethnic group.

 The most famous myth of the last century even took on literary form.
 There was much rejoicing among Czechs when, almost simultaneously, two
 seemingly medieval manuscripts were discovered in two different Bohemian
 towns, which not only emulated, but in some respects surpassed the
 famous German saga, the Nibelungenlied. However, their fame was
 short-lived. They were masterworks of sorts indeed, but not of an
 ancient minstrel; as it turned out, they were a sophisticated fake,
 concocted by two contemporary writers and linguists, Vaclav Hanka and
 Josef Linda.

 I remember clearly the day back in the 80s when my high-school teacher
 of Czech language and literature explained this - understandably
 extremely sensitive - topic to his students. Puzzling? Humiliating? Not
 at all! Thanks to the excellent counterfeit, explicated the teacher
 while gesticulating expressively, Czech arts, sciences and politics
 underwent rapid development, and Czechs became more self-conscious and
 emancipated in relation to their German adversaries. It was a fraud, but
 a fraud for a good cause and, therefore, a fully excusable one.

 With the declaration of Czechoslovakia in 1918, what was previously the
 nation's mythology became state ideology. The leader of the secessionist
 movement and the first president of the country, Tomas G. Masaryk, was
 perceived by many as the ultimate idol, a god-like figure. Also the
 Czechoslovak legions fighting the Bolsheviks in Siberia soon became
 idolized and deified. Czechs, who had not won a single war for the
 previous five hundred years, started viewing themselves as a nation of
 invincible, Herculean warriors.

 World War II and its aftermath, the forcible expulsion of a
 three-million community of Sudeten Germans from the country, was covered
 by a whole new layer of protective mythology. Books and movies from that
 time, overflowing with nationalistic pathos, have retained their
 popularity among Czechs to this day.

 Protection and preservation of the nation's integrity were also the
 objectives of numerous post-war myths.

 One of them described Czechs as a better, "cultural" nation, an island
 of higher culture among Byzantine barbarians. Not a single nation was
 spared from Czech contempt, except, in part, Slovaks, who were depicted
 as rather primitive, though not so hopelessly backward as, say, Poles or
 Hungarians, or as shallow and dumb as Germans.

 Another myth, one that survived the fall of Communism in 1989, is that
 of the exceptional qualities of Czech workers and technicians, compared
 to their foreign counterparts. The illusion of "zlate ceske ruce"
 (literally, "golden Czech hands") had its heyday in 1960s; everything
 seemed easy in the revolutionary Spring of 1968. With one notable
 exception of Antonin J Liehm, all Czechoslovak journalists of that time
 failed to perceive the difficulties lying ahead. Prague's economic
 experts were unanimous in their optimistic forecasts: give us five or
 ten years of democratic development, and Czechoslovakia will surely
 catch up with Austria, perhaps even with Germany. The invasion and
 normalization that followed made an abrupt end to any hope for the
 democratization of the country, so the myth of the Czech worker as a man
 of superior manual skills and ingenuity could live on.

 The early 90s were a period of sobering up and deep disillusionment. The
 old myths offered no protection anymore. Not only were manual skills and
 craftsmanship regarded as inadequate and rather obsolete in the upcoming
 information age, but the actual gap between Czechoslovakia and Western
 Europe turned out to be much larger than both sides had ever thought.
 Czechoslovakia's Western neighbors were very successful, but Czechs, as
 well as Slovaks, were not allowed to partake in that success. They found
 the door to the European integration shut, and their country a woeful
 backyard of the continent for as long as two or three generations to
 come.

 New myths coping with this predicament are still in the making. One of
 them is told by those who returned home from the West. According to
 their interpretation, Czechs are at least as capable as any Westerners.
 The problem is that they are too humble. Ask an American if he can do
 this or that, and he'll, no doubt, reply: Yes, of course! Czechs, on the
 other hand, are always honest, and this is why they are never given
 their fair share of opportunities.

 This is true, though not the whole truth: most Czechs, due to their
 deficient, discipline-and-drill oriented system of education, lack
 assertiveness, communication skills (including, but not limited to,

[CTRL] Fw: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Hillary Registered as a Presidential Candidate

1999-09-08 Thread Linda Minor

-Original Message-From:
Brian Downing Quig [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date:
Wednesday, September 08, 1999 3:18 AMSubject: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] Re:
Hillary Registered as a Presidential CandidateYes McCain
could be so smug about all the money he took from Keating because he knew
Keating was part of a William Casey black operation with General John Singlaub
protected by the NSC http://www.dcia.com/straw.html.
This is an example of one of the many big scandals that was contained
locally. I maintain there are hundreds of others.
Now for the sake of the focus of this group recall that when Ron Lister
threatened to call his case officer in the White House Scott Weekly, son of the
admiral, he did not mention CIA. He mentioned DIA --- DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE
AGENCY, the intelligence arm of the DOD. In 1980 Singlaub had just retired
as the director of DIA. Openly he said in Phoenix that he directed 17
counter-insurgency operations throughout the world --- as a private
citizen! One of those was the contras. One was in Laos. One was in
Angola. One was in Afghanistan.
I have never seen another writer explain this. So you see the public
has only gotten a very small part of the overall picture. Nor have I ever
seen the names Charlie Keating and General Singlaub connected in print ---
although they are.
Keating's brother the ASSOCIATED PRESS V.P kept Charlie's name out of
print. And the Dan Qualye owned ARIZONA REPUBLIC was never going to blow
the whistle on what Keating was doing. In case you have not realized it
these people are succeeding.
Dan Qualye introduced Oliver North to John Hull and Ron Owens went right from
Qualye's staff to the Oliver North's staff. Now it should be clear how
Keating made away with $3.5 billion dollars. That is alot of mone for one
community. It is enough to create thousands of multi-millon aires.
And these benefactors have clout. So there was little effort to get any of
this money back.
In 1987 when I first meet Lance Trimmer and Bo Gritz they had just returned
from Burma taking a break from an assignment training Mujahadeen general staff
officers on the Nevada desert with Scott Weekly. It was a state
department/DIA contract which was paid through STANFORD TECHNOLOGIES, the
company owned by General Richard Secord and Philip Hakeem which Secord called
THE ENTERPRISE'. Singlaub's arms company is INTERARMS --- small arms
but where the money is in low intensity warfare.
I presume that everyone knows that Oliver North was Singlaub's adjutant
during the Secret War in Laos where Secord commanded AIR AMERICA and Ted
Shackley, Tom Clines, Dave Morales and Terry Burke the CIA. Tom Clines and
Dave Morales grew up in Phoenix. Ruben Ortega, current Salt Lake City
police chief and former Phoenix police chief had been a close friend of Morales
since they were in the same high school classes together.
Could any of this history have anything to do with the cold fact that today
Arizona is the number one dope trafficking state and one of the principal
staging areas of the CIA?
Correct me if I am wrong but did not every drug writer during the DARK
ALLIANCE frenzy miss these key points about Singlaub's operation which was
directing the contras and so much more? They bantered about less than 2%
of the whole picture. And what is worse none of the writers cared to get
the real story. When I contacted them they were not interested.
I begged journalists to cover the Tucson trial of Roy Reagan, the man who
decomissioned the ariplanes from DOD for Barry Seal among other things --- for
months --- to throw the spot light upon the MOTHER OF ALL DRUG TRAFFICKING
TIRALS http://www.dcia.com/mission14.html
on my current events page. Only 3 journalists ever even attended the trial ---
all the while this DARK ALLIANCE media frenzi. If some attention could
have been focused there Judge Bilby never could have been murdered at the start
of the second trial after which I suspended publishing on the web.
Brian Downing Quig
Jamie Shafer wrote:
I gather from reading up on
McCain that the vets are right. And don't forget his very cozy relatinship
with Keating of SL (ill) repute. for my money McCain is a big
FAKE.
At 07:24 AM 09/07/1999 -0700, you wrote: From: Brian Downing Quig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Or how about candidates
like Dan Qualye, John McCain, or E. Dole. They click their heals when a Bush enters the room. I am told by a Dick Morris
associate that the Morris plan is to run Bush/McCain for what Morris calls the Millennium Presidency. I
know for a fact that Morris engineered Dan Quayle onto the Bush ticket because this source
told me about the selection two weeks before. Everyone laughed then.
If only I could have put a few quid on the
London books! They were giving odds of that at 300 to one.
McCain is the DOD
candidate for president, or the ONI candidate to be more

[CTRL] (Fwd) [BRIGADE] Review: The Empire Strikes Out


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From:   "Linda Muller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Brigade,

"But at the heart of Mr. Buchanan's policy - and at the heart of the
scholarly debate - is whether our foreign policy should be guided by our
sovereign self- interest or whether we owe a duty to the world before a
duty to ourselves... Mr. Buchanan's book and his campaign is a call for a
national debate on those questions"

GO PAT GO
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THE EMPIRE STRIKES OUT:
PAT BUCHANAN WANTS FOCUS ON U.S. INTERESTS FIRST

By Tony Blankley - THE WASHINGTON TIMES
http://www.washtimes.com
September 8, 1999

There is a gripping foreign policy debate going on in America right now.
Unfortunately, to find it, one must read obscure scholarly journals. One
presidential candidate, Patrick Buchanan, is participating seriously in
that great debate. But the response of both the media and the Republican
Party to his contribution ranges from a blind eye to a sneer.

No wonder he is thinking of quitting the party to run on the Reform
ticket. The GOP, both its elders and its rank and file, ought to be
concerned enough to listen to his argument - not to placate Mr. Buchanan,
but because the nation would benefit from the debate that he has so ably
framed.

I write that last sentence as an avowed internationalist. My father was
Winston Churchill's accountant before the war. I was brought up with, and
remain in the thrall of, the Churchillian view of a great nation's world
responsibilities. But even Britain, at the height of its imperium,
consciously designed its foreign policy in the self-interest of Britain.

Mr. Buchanan's carefully reasoned critique of current U.S. foreign policy
is precisely that since the end of the Cold War we have maintained
commitments that once were, but may no longer be, in our national
interest. While I don't agree with all his prescriptions, I commend his
analysis. He comes to foreign policy as a national self-interest realist,
not what some people unthinkingly call an isolationist. Analytically, he
is in the good company of Eisenhower, Kissinger and other such realists.

Mr. Buchanan wisely chose to write two campaign-cycle books: one on
trade, and the other on foreign policy. Thus, one can be a free-trader and
still find much to agree with in his just published foreign policy book,
"A Republic, Not an Empire." It is 400 pages of meticulously analyzed
American diplomatic history, in continuity with which he makes his
prescriptions.

At the heart of his analysis are three points, all disputatious of current
policy:

1) our commitments should be matched by our capacity to meet them, 2)
national sovereign interest should guide our policy, and 3) most of our
Cold War treaty commitments don't meet the first two criteria.

He opens with an eye-popping tour d'horizon of those parts of the world
for which we have commitments to fight and die. From Warsaw to Thailand,
from Kuwait to the Philippines, from South Korea to Columbia, with the
exception of Africa, virtually wherever one may gaze on the globe - there
one will find a solemn American commitment to defend foreign soil with the
blood of young Americans.

Mr. Buchanan's point is not to reject all such places as outside our
security interest. Rather, he argues that since these commitments were
logically made during the worldwide fight against communism, isn't it now
logical to review the relevance and specifics of those commitments today,
a decade after the Cold War ended.

Measuring our still expanding commitments against our ever shrinking
military budget and manpower levels, Mr. Buchanan reminds us of Walter
Lippman's warning that a statesman should bring "into balance, with a
comfortable surplus of power in reserve, the nation's commitments and the
nation's power."

Remember, in our recent little contretemps in Kosovo, so hollowed out is
our military already, that within weeks of the start of the bombing,
President Clinton found it necessary to call up Air Force reserves. At the
minimum then, those politicians and commentators who gallantly call for us
to continue or expand our hegemonic role in the world, are duty bound to
call for dramatic increases in defense spending.

But at the heart of Mr. Buchanan's policy - and at the heart of the
scholarly debate - is whether our foreign policy should be guided by our
sovereign self- interest or whether we owe a duty to the world before a
duty to ourselves. Obviously Mr. Buchanan stands by our sovereign
self-interest. But make no mistake, this is not the imagined concern of
some heartland conservative.

Vaclav Havel, the president of the Czech Republic, spoke to the Canadian
parliament during the Kosovo war on the theme "Kosovo and the End of the
Nation-state." He spoke approvingly of the Kosovo precedent of ignoring
Serbia's sovereignty in the interest of humanity. Mr. Havel expects the
next century to see sovereign

Re: [CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed ...

1999-09-08 Thread pennie hammons

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Bill, would you have sent your children out to them if you saw how corrupt
they were? Taking away grandmothers in handcuffs and shackles...I wouldn't
have!

From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed
...
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:03:06 EDT

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In a message dated 9/8/99 12:59:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Never say our FBI and ATF are not merciful.  When they kill children,
they
do
  it quickly.  Prudy 

Ok Prudy...enough about the children being killed by the feds...Koresh and
the parents of these children put them in this situation, where is the
outrage at the parents??? "Personal responsibility" right?

Bill.

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[CTRL] A NEW ENERGY MOTOR

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From: ".H .H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ZEROPOINTER)
Subject: Minato motor -from trufax
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:13:03 +0800
From: Trevor Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: A NEW ENERGY MOTOR
Friends: I spoke to Bob Vermillion of Tri-Cosmos Development today, just
before he left for the three-day demonstrations of the Minato magnetic
motor
being held in Mexico City, Mexico on July 8, 9, 10th.
Three (3) Minato Motors (MM), covered by US patents 5,594,289 (Jan 14,
1997)
and (4,751,486 June 14, 1988), have been brought over from Japan. One
was allegedly tested last evening by Grupo Bufete Industrial (supposedly
one of
the largest power generation construction companies in Mexico and South
America). The company engineers were said (by Vermillion) to have
measured an
output /input ratio of 4.3 / 1. The printed literature, which I received
in a
Fedex packet from Vermillion states that the device can put out 500
watts (maximum) with an input of 34 watts. For those of you who wonder
why the device is not self-sustaining-oral info from Vermillion is that
Minato will
in the course of one of the demonstrations *remove the battery power
supply*
and let the device self-run-presumably with a load. The press release
makes
no bones about the physics-busting character of the MM: "As rotations
per minute (rpm's) increase, the electromagnetic consumption of the
stator decreases. This phenomenon is in direct conflict with accepted
laws of physics and is achieved through the repelling magnetic fields.
It operates
without heat, noise, or pollution of any kind. It can be produced in
size from ultra-small to very large." It is said in the press release
that applications from cell phones to laptop computers are under
development.
Vermillion told me of other parties who were planning to attend the
demonstrations, which will be conducted both in public displays and with
private party measurements. These include: ENRON, Bechtel, Tejas (a
division
of Shell Oil Corporation), Fluor Daniels, Kellogg Corp. . He told me
that
Hal
Fox of New Energy News and the Fusion Information Center will be there
(I confirmed with Hal that he will be there and will give us a full
report.) I
considered going myself (I was invited), but I trust Hal Fox to provide
a full report-he should be back this weekend.
Mr. Kohei Minato will be there-he has already arrived, I understand. He
hand
carried one of the motors that was already tested yesterday. The wealthy
Japanese individual who owns Tri-Cosmos Dev. Co. is Mr. Charly Fujiki.
Attendance is by invitation only). The exhibition will be in the Grupo
Bufete
Industrial building. The invitation says: "Mr. Minato, the inventor,
will be
present to explain and demonstrate his remarkable breakthrough in
technology
to government and business leaders in Mexico. He will also discuss the
possible use (and) application for various other industries, including a
giant generator project, based on the principal mechanism being
displayed."
Daily demonstrations are from 10:30 am to Noon, 4:30 to 5:30 pm and 6 to
7:30
pm.
A block diagram of the motor indicates that it is about 500 kg. An arrow
indicates that its 500 watt output goes to a load-schematically
indicated as
an array of light bulbs. The unit is within a cube 1.2 meters on edge.
The
diagram shows a solar panel(!!) providing input to the battery that
powers
the device - I supposes for completeness, but that is obviously silly in
view
of the claim. Vermillion assured me that this solar panel was not an
essential part of the system.
One of the two color brochures in the package shows the Minato motor
with its
charactersitic coils that have their pole faces toward the perimeters of
permanent magnet containing wheels that are stacked on an axle. If you
looks
at the thing quickly, you'd think you were looking at a steam turbine.
The 1997 patent #5,594,289 states in its abstract: "On a rotor which is
fixed
to a rotatable rotating shaft, a plurality of permanent magnets are
disposed
along the direction of rotation such that the same magnetic pole type
therof
face outward. In the same way, balancers are disposed on the rotor for
balancing rotation of this rotor. Each of the permanent magnets is
obliquely
arranged with respect to the radial direction line of the rotor. At the
outer
periphery of the rotor, an electromagnet is disposed facing this rotor,
with
this electromagnet intermittently energized based on the rotation of the
rotor. According to the magnetic rotating apparatus of the present
invention,
rotational energy can be efficiently obtained from permanent magnets.
This is
made possible by minimizing as much as possible current supplied to the
electromagnets, so that only a required amount of electrical energy is
supplied to the electromagnets." It will be interesting, indeed, to
learn what comes out of this. Perhaps the famous white rabbit
disappearing down a
hole, or maybe the birth of a revolution? We shall see.
Best wishes, Gene
Dr. Eugene F. Mallove

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- Original Message -
From: Nadine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 7:03 AM
Subject: [synchronistic] East Timor/Australia

 From: "Nadine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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 Hi, Everyone!!

 A note to let you know what is happening here and to ask for assistance.

 As you know Australia is readying to go into East Timor with other nations
 in a peacekeeping effort.  According to our news reports tonight, it seems
 as if we may be going in for more than that. Either way, the bloodshed
must
 end there.

 An example, and quite a shocking one, has been on our news yesterday,
 pictures of a father holding his toddler son in the streets of Dili.  The
 militia stopped him, hacked the father to death with machetes, and the son
 ran off down the street.  The militia followed the boy, picked him up,
broke
 his neck, and threw him into a burning house.  This is one of many horror
 reports coming out of East Timor right now.

 The past few days, our RAAF has been flying planes in and out non-stop to
 bring non-Timorese out of Dili.  The Red Cross compound was attacked and
the
 refugees taken by gun point.  The area surrounding the UN compound has
been
 under fire, with people fleeing into the compoundchildren forced
through
 the razor wire to get them to safety.  The Australian Consulate has been
 attacked, and now closed, with only 3 consular staff remaining there.  The
 planes have now stopped flying in.  At present the University at Dili is
 burning to the ground.

 Australian and NZ ships are now readying at the port in Darwin.  One ship
 has just been loaded with 40 personnel carriers.  Our troops are on 30
 minute to 1 hour callout alert.  The Navy, Army, Air Force all ready to
go.
 The hospitals at Darwin and surrounding towns have been emptied, ready for
 casualties.

 East Timor tonight has no power, water, communications, medical staff.
All
 doctors have been pulled out, only local nurses remain and they expect to
be
 killed.  UN Supplies on their way to the compound today were taken by the
 militia.  The compound is fast running out of supplies.

 In the port at Darwin there are 2 US Navy ships.  Our Prime Minister has
 requested US help in sending a peacekeeping force to East Timor.  The US
has
 avoided the issue.The UN is waiting.

 THERE IS NO TIME TO WAIT.East Timor is burning, the people are being
 forced to leave under gunpoint, nothing will remain for the Independence
 they have just voted for.

 So I have a request to all that wish to help. Two requests actually..

 1.  Those of you who are politically active in US...would you please put
 pressure on your Federal representatives to give aid to Australia in their
 effort to keep the stability of our region here.

 2.  Those of you who are healers or people of faithwould you please,
as
 we did with Kosovo, send healing and prayers to East Timor once a day
until
 some agreement is reached.  Much love is needed in the region right now.

 THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU!!We had almost 100,000 people praying and
 meditating worldwide for peace and healing in Kosovo.  We can do it again
 for East Timor.

 A friend in Timor helped us organise the Kosovo healing/prayer effort.  He
 will need our help now.  Let's not let him down.

 Love and Light,

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 5:13 AM
Subject: [synchronistic] Re: Weekly Analysis September 7, 1999

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Indonesia is certainly coming apart, and this can be traced directly to
the imf, currency speculators and foreign interference...

 the process by which it has happened certainly bears relevance to most of
the free world in underlining how unelected foreign
 parties with no mandate can cause the elected representatives of a
sovereign nation to be removed...

 i think the writer is mistaken as to the effects of foreign
interference...most governments in this part of the world are well aware
 of what has happened, just as the people are...and the same method cannot
be employed twice...

 the foreign interference has had 2 backlash effects

 1 is a growing cohesiveness and nationalism in most countries to defend
and preserve the people's choice of government and way of
 life in general...the people in most countries view the right to be
represented by their elected representatives and government as a
 basic human right...any interference with this simply unites the people
behind their respective governments...and against the
 foreign elements...so, for instance, in Indonesia, the anti imf feeling is
very strong...as they are seen to be the main culprits
 behind the economic problems...in fact, the imf itself has openly admitted
that they have applied the wrong policies and in the
 process caused the change of government...

 but while this may be seen to be an accidental error due to ignorance in
the west...the feeling in the east is that it was a
 deliberate policy act...just as much as the Chinese embassy bombing is
seen to be deliberate actsimply too obvious and thinly
 disguised to be anything but...

 in any event trust is not the strong suit of western leaders...the feeling
here is that western leaders are simply incapable of
 being trusted, and are willing to look you in the eye and lie...

 the second fairly direct effect of foreign interference, has been calls
for reforms of the UN, imf, and greater transparency in
 their processthis has also been coupled with alternative bodies being
set up, or in the process of being set up, such as the
 amf, the Islamic grouping of nations, eaec and so on...

 individual countries have also boosted their defences, both military and
economic and have sought to work together to cure the
 problem...

 examples of this would be the imposition of a Chilean style exit levy,
increased submarine and plane purchases from Russia, and the
 development of long range missile capability, exchange pegs, local bond
markets, to soak up excess domestic liquidity and boosting
 of foreign reserves...

 this all serves as defensive barriers against further interference by
foreign elements...

 in china's case, instability caused by economics is not an obvious viable
route...firstly china still remains a transition
 developing economy...it has still not moved all its systems to
capitalism...so, it is quite possible for china to revert to a
 command style socialist regime, with minor dislocations in its well
being...if such a move should become necessary...

 secondly, china's economy is too big to be easily destabilised...it
already generates greater trade flow than Japan's, and like
 Japan's is financed by healthy current account surpluses...it also large
foreign reserves and has the capacity to sell these
 holdings to short cover any problem positionsthe effect of this may be
to destabilise various key world currencies pushing them
 out of their narrow trading range at the cross rates...

 china also has significant sympathetic support from this region...Taiwan
does not deny that it is part of china, only that it wishes
 to negotiate the terms of its integration...and Hong Kong also can lend
significant support with its deep pockets and foreign
 holdings...

 the military in china is still reaping the benefits of business growth,
and it's loyalty behind Beijing will is stronger since the
 Chinese embassy bombing and remarks made by Taiwanese president...

 the other significant difference between china and Indonesia is that as
yet, it's economy continues to grow at the rate of 8%, and
 this shows no sign of slowing...if anything, with the shifting focus of
Europe and the rest of Asia towards china and its potential
 markets, there is very little reason why the Chinese economy cannot
continue at its current growth rate, if not accelerate...

 talks of a meltdown are greatly exaggerated and short sighted as Asia has
now started to withdraw its capital investments out of
 riskier markets and continues to reinvest in itself...ideas of Asia
reconfiguring itself is true, in that it has become far stronger
 and more stable than ever before in economic terms...

Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Hillary Registered as a Presidential Candidate

1999-09-08 Thread pennie hammons

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Forbes, damn it! Forbes! Read his book! WE decide who's going to be
president. Let's throw a wrench in their conspiracy gears!

From: Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] Fw: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Hillary Registered as a Presidential
   Candidate
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:17:59 -0500

-Original Message-
From: Brian Downing Quig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Hillary Registered as a Presidential Candidate

Yes McCain could be so smug about all the money he took from Keating
because he knew Keating was part of a William Casey black operation with
General John Singlaub
protected by the NSC http://www.dcia.com/straw.html.  This is an example of
one of  the many big scandals that was contained locally.  I maintain there
are hundreds of others.
Now for the sake of the focus of this group recall that when Ron Lister
threatened to call his case officer in the White House Scott Weekly, son of
the admiral, he did not mention CIA.  He mentioned DIA --- DEFENSE
INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, the intelligence arm of the DOD.  In 1980 Singlaub had
just retired as the director of DIA.  Openly he said in Phoenix that he
directed 17 counter-insurgency operations throughout the world --- as a
private citizen!  One of those was the contras. One was in Laos.  One was
in Angola.  One was in Afghanistan.

I have never seen another writer explain this.  So you see the public has
only gotten a very small part of the overall picture.  Nor have I ever seen
the names Charlie Keating and General Singlaub connected in print ---
although they are.

Keating's brother the ASSOCIATED PRESS V.P kept Charlie's name out of
print.  And the Dan Qualye owned ARIZONA REPUBLIC was never going to blow
the whistle on what Keating was doing.  In case you have not realized it
these people are succeeding.

Dan Qualye introduced Oliver North to John Hull and Ron Owens went right
from Qualye's staff to the Oliver North's staff.  Now it should be clear
how Keating made away with $3.5 billion dollars.  That is alot of mone for
one community.  It is enough to create thousands of multi-millon aires.
And these benefactors have clout.  So there was little effort to get any of
this money back.

In 1987 when I first meet Lance Trimmer and Bo Gritz they had just returned
from Burma taking a break from an assignment training Mujahadeen general
staff officers on the Nevada desert with Scott Weekly.  It was a state
department/DIA contract which was paid through STANFORD TECHNOLOGIES, the
company owned by General Richard Secord and Philip Hakeem which Secord
called "THE ENTERPRISE'.  Singlaub's arms company is INTERARMS --- small
arms but where the money is in low intensity warfare.

I presume that everyone knows that Oliver North was Singlaub's adjutant
during the Secret War in Laos where Secord commanded AIR AMERICA and Ted
Shackley, Tom Clines, Dave Morales and Terry Burke the CIA.  Tom Clines and
Dave Morales grew up in Phoenix.  Ruben Ortega, current Salt Lake City
police chief and former Phoenix police chief had been a close friend of
Morales since they were in the same high school classes together.

Could any of this history have anything to do with the cold fact that today
Arizona is the number one dope trafficking state and one of the principal
staging areas of the CIA?

Correct me if I am wrong but did not every drug writer during the DARK
ALLIANCE frenzy miss these key points about Singlaub's operation which was
directing the contras and so much more?  They bantered about less than 2%
of the whole picture.  And what is worse none of the writers cared to get
the real story.  When I contacted them they were not interested.

I begged journalists to cover the Tucson trial of Roy Reagan, the man who
decomissioned the ariplanes from DOD for Barry Seal among other things ---
for months ---  to throw the spot light upon the MOTHER OF ALL DRUG
TRAFFICKING TIRALS http://www.dcia.com/mission14.html on my current events
page. Only 3 journalists ever even attended the trial --- all the while
this DARK ALLIANCE media frenzi.  If some attention could have been focused
there Judge Bilby never could have been murdered at the start of the second
trial after which I suspended publishing on the web.

Brian Downing Quig

Jamie Shafer wrote:

  I gather from reading up on McCain that the vets are right. And don't
forget his very cozy relatinship with Keating of SL (ill) repute. for my
money McCain is a big FAKE.
 At 07:24 AM 09/07/1999 -0700, you wrote:
 From: Brian Downing Quig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Or how about candidates like Dan Qualye, John McCain, or E. Dole.
They click
 their heals when a Bush enters the room.

 I am told by a Dick Morris associate that the Morris plan is to run
Bush/McCain
 for what Morris calls the

Re: [CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed ...

1999-09-08 Thread William Shannon


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In a message dated 9/8/99 4:36:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Bill, would you have sent your children out to them if you saw how corrupt
 they were? Taking away grandmothers in handcuffs and shackles...I wouldn't
 have! 

Pennie,
I wouldn't have been in a cult compound (with my 12 year old son) in the 1st
place BUT, gee...I think that IF I was in their position and PROVIDED my mind
was still free of Koreshian brainwashing, that I would have...I hope that I
could have!
It's not uncommon to "shackle" former hostages when evacuating them...who
knows their motives?? And yes, the young AND the elderly are capable of
violence, especially if they've been "programmed"
Rather be shackled and frisked then burnt to a cinder!
And I'm not sure that they weren't "incinerated" by a cult leader with a
serious CHrist Complex...

Take care Pennie...I do enjoy your posts...even if you CAN be a meanie!

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Barometers of Recovery

1999-09-08 Thread Smart News


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Below please find another selection from an excellent book for survivors of
ritual abuse. It may be out of print, but I have heard copies may still be
available.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

PS IMO, this can apply to almost anyone.

From "Safe Passage to Healing - A Guide for Survivors of Ritual Abuse" by
Chrystine Oksana, HarperCollins, c 1994 p 30-31

Barometers of Recovery

1. You believe and trust yourself.

2. You take delight in your own company and in the company of others. You are
content being alone as you are being social.

3. You feel whole within yourself. You do not need something outside
yourself, such as approval, a job, wealth, spouse, academic credentials,
...to feel complete. You are neither made superior or diminished by these
things. You do not judge your own or other people's worth according to these
things...

4. You don't change who you are to conform who you're with.

5. You love yourself and so can love others.

6. You feel a connection with our universe...

7. You intuitively know where you end and where others begin (often referred
to as having "boundaries"). You understand that we are all separate yet a
part of this planet, and so, connected.

8. You are responsible for your own thoughts, feelings. and behaviors. You
also know that your thoughts, feelings, and behaviors affect ...all things.

9. You live in the present more than in the past or future...

10. You feel at home with yourself. You are comfortable on your body, with
your emotions, mind, and spirit.

11. You are spontaneous and find excitement in living. You experience things
as they occur through feelings.

12. You engage in regular activities that enhance and deepen your experience
of yourself in the universe

13. You accept the human condition. This means living a full life while
accepting human imperfections and limitations

14. You do not wonder what "normal" is. You live according to rules and
rhythms that are in keeping with yourself and the universe.

Recovery means experiencing your own self and enjoying your full
potential.
The journey is difficult, but you have what it takes to complete it. Every
answer is inside you. The simple key is TRUST YOURSELF. Remember that as you
read this book and as you walk your own road to recovery.

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 What a joke!   Reno is going to appoint a Washington insider as "independent"
 investigator.

 Why not a citizens committee?  It was ordinary citizens that got killed by
 these thuds.

 I would trust a farmer, a steel worker and a teacher before another one of
 these
 Blue Ribbon Committees   Or go the Grand Jury route..

Well the answer is obvious isn't it? This will be an attempted cover
up of the cover up. The idea here is to stall for time. It is an election
year. It will be successful if it lasts a year and can keep the heat off
of Gore.

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[CTRL] FWD: CEMB - New Popular Discussion Group on Media Bias Presidential Politics 2000

1999-09-08 Thread A.C. Szul Jr.


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FYI -- http://www.egroups.com/group/cemb/
-A
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Is media bias a conspiracy or for real?.How does the "coke" rumor
continue to impact Gov. Bush?What part did the media
play?...Is there bias in today's news reporting?.How can you
help make a difference?..Will national/state/local media bias help
or hurt Gore or Bradley?

These questions and others are explored at the "Coaltion to End Media
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I responded to your post on NLP before reading its entirety, having assumed
that the first 3 paragraphs were the gist of the post.  I see after going
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Re: [CTRL] test


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Still waiting for the four posts I sent before the "test" post to appear.
Hmmm..

I hope they go out to the list unedited.

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