Fred,
I am sorry if you took my remarks personally. I didn't intend to be
'correct' at anyone's expense. But this is a real issue.
You said the odds that you'd ever encounter and notice its effects are
vanishingly small unless you are a 60+ WPM full QSK operator. That is
simply not the
Surely the K3 has a CW Weight Control Setting Adjustment feature for using
paddles and so does an external keyer or board!?
73, Roy K6XK
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On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Mike Reublin n...@nf4l.com wrote:
I noticed a new behavior today from my P3.
After sitting for several hours, the A marker had disappeared. Rotating the
knob changed the freq, but no marker cursor. Turning the marker off, then
Hi,
Thanks for that input, I still have the Pro 3, and will probably sell
it, if the performance is worse than teh K3. I will be able to A/B the
two rigs for about a week prior to station replacement.
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HI Toby,
Thanks for the thought, I think the issue, at least for me, is more one
of inexperience with the K3 than tech knowledge. I used to be Asst
Chief Engineer for a TV station, for around 20 years, and have been a
ham for well on 40 years now... So tech issues don't worry me too much
When using my K3 to send RTTY via the keyer paddle there is a long delay
of about 4 sec after sending the last character for the receiver to
return while you continue to transmit additional spaces. Is their a menu
command to greatly shorten this 4 sec return to receive delay?
Howard AE3T
I agree with Tom. I had a PROIII and then the K3. Both of these radios
are here for the duration. As Tom says my K3 cost over twice what the
PROIII does especially including the P3/SVGA. However I always said
I thought the PROIII was the best bang for buck buy in ham radio these
days. I can find
Howard,
No menu command, but send an IM character (no space, send as one
'letter') and transmission will stop as soon as that character is
recognized.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 4/13/2014 8:38 AM, Howard Sherer wrote:
When using my K3 to send RTTY via the keyer paddle there is a long
delay of about
with the key sending--.. will shorten the diddle at the end
with the keyboard sending | the pipe key shift / will also work
On 4/13/2014 7:38 AM, Howard Sherer wrote:
When using my K3 to send RTTY via the keyer paddle there is a long delay
of about 4 sec after sending the last
*warning* insufficient caffeine levels
do not attempt to address keyboard
what Don said IM..--not MI --..
sigh gonna be a long morning
On 4/13/2014 8:01 AM, Sam Morgan wrote:
with the key sending--.. will shorten the diddle at the end
with the keyboard sending | the pipe
Fred, I was the one who first started this thread. I think perhaps it
may be not affecting that many people, as there was not much support on
here about the QRQ deficiencies. I have been running QRQ at around 30
wpm, because IF I don't, I will notice some choppiness in the sent CW.
If
Which brings another question --- just when should the QRQ be enabled. I have
sent at 30 wpm and that is about the limit of my sending speed and all mistakes
are my fault -- but I have never noticed anything choppy or unusual and I have
never invoked QRQ. Reason for not invoking QRQ is that I
I really appreciate everyone's contribution and effort in attempting to
solve the extensive heat problem running digital modes. I continue to follow
the discussions on a daily basis.
I can appreciate the fact that while the KX3 has digital capacities, it was
not designed with the matching RF
I just tried sending a string of V's at 30 wpm. Normally my maximum
comfortable sending level is between 20 and 25wpm, so this is certainly out
of my comfort zone. I am using a Begali Expedition and iambic mode B.
With QRQ off I was about 75% accurate in my sending of strings of V's,
with QRQ
Hopefully I will find some time to do more experiments this afternoon (maybe
not, it will be a sunny day) but sending at 30 wpm is always error prone for me
and it takes more effort that is not that comfortable. I too am best in the 20
to 25 zone. I think my error rate goes up substantially
I have a newer Icom here and might have to debate the receiver issue and I'm
half deaf. The Icom does have both CW and SSB filters/D-Star in it but when
it comes to weak signal the K3 is superior as is the KX3. But don't get me
wrong my IC-9100 is going nowhere as there is nothing on the market to
I will preface this with the comment that I did not order my K3 until Wayne
did the QRQ mode firmware work because I operate a lot of QRQ (the
definition of this varies of course, for me it is 60+ WPM full QSK).
I believe the speed at which someone starts to hear the inconsistency in the
K3
Yes, it is heard on the sidetone. You may or may not detect it at 30
wpm, but you definitely will at 35. The sidetone is a close
representation of the signal as sent.
At slower speeds, QRQ mode also makes full QSK sound 'cleaner', but I
don't think that there is any detectable effect on the
To All:
First, please keep in mind that this is our hobby. Being our hobby, you all
know there are many aspects of it that, not all, but some of us enjoy and
there has been a small percentage of us, Toby, myself, and others that have
enjoyed running CW speeds in excess of 50 wpm. It should be
We intend to improve this in a future firmware release.
Wayne
N6KR
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Am I led to believe, then, that because you and Toby don't like the subject
that it shouldn't be discussed. That sounds good. I
don't like SSB, no one should talk about it!
73,
Tim Herrick, KQ8M
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..-- is easily remembered if you think of it as .. followed by --, or IM,
for IMmediately terminate transmission.
We put the nominal delay at 4 seconds to give the operator time to think during
longer transmissions. You can always use what Linguistics majors call a
hesitation form (what we
OK, so I'm a 15-20 wpm operator on good days How do other popular
radios do at 35-90 wpm? Is this unique to the K3 (and KX3)? Just
curious and hoping to learn a bit.
Rich NU6T
K1, K3, KX3
On 4/13/2014 9:01 AM, W5UXH wrote:
I will preface this with the comment that I did not order my
I know that if I try full breakin with the Pro3, I get the first
character chopped a bit...
Which brings up my solution to all of this for the Pro3...
I do not run breakin. I set the delay for T/R switching to about .5
seconds. That keeps the transmitter keyed all the time I am sending...
Oh... I have done CW too long... When I saw your _..._, I had to
think about what it was...
As soon as I played it in my head, I knew... I have noticed that of
late if folks ask me what a letter is, I have to think about it to give
them the actual dot/dash code, but if I hear it, it is just
Hi Fred,
I only trust exact apples to apples comparisons...
A few miles can make a bit difference in props. I will do an A/B with
my Pro3, using everything the same, antenna, feedline, etc. I will keep
the rig that performs better.
I have an interesting mix of conditions... 20 is very quiet
Well, a few weeks ago I finished assembling and testing my K2 S/N 7520 and
the KPA100, KSB2, K60XV, and K160RX options. All went without any problems
at and have had several successful QSO with it.
However, since then I've been noticing quite severe BFO drift. I have to
re-align the filters using
Dave,
I have no problems running full breakin at my comfortable speed of 20 to 22
wpm. During a contest I will push the speed up a bit but still have no
problems.
I much prefer full breakin though because during some pileups and even during
some of the CW nets that I participate -- not
On 4/13/2014 8:47 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
I have a newer Icom here and might have to debate the receiver issue and I'm
half deaf. The Icom does have both CW and SSB filters/D-Star in it but when
it comes to weak signal the K3 is superior as is the KX3.
A few decades ago, Richard Heyser, one of
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Sent: Sun, Apr 13, 2014 9:40 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3
Something I did when I got the K3 and still had a 756. I liked the bandscope on
the 756
Some component (or components) in your BFO (or the generation of the
VBFO signal) is changing characteristics.
It could be the crystals (X3 and X4) or the capacitors (C173 and C174)
or the varactors (D37 and D38), or L33.
It also could be soldering on the R-Pak RP6 or any of the above
David,
I believe the QRQ mode is to fix an apparent change in weighting (or
some other timing consideration) of the dots and dashes as the speed is
increased.
It has nothing to do with the T/R switching, and you should find that to
follow the keying quite nicely at whatever speed you are
David,
As a long time user of Pro2s (I have one at home, along with a 7600, plus
two on Aruba at P49Y) and K3s (one at home and one on Aruba), both radios
have many nice attributes. The intuitive interface on the Pro2 is a plus,
and I find it very easy to use in casual operating. The small
It's a total non-issue to me. I just wish the discussion was a tiny bit
more civil.
73 -- Lynn
On 4/13/2014 9:48 AM, KQ8M wrote:
Am I led to believe, then, that because you and Toby don't like the subject
that it shouldn't be discussed.
Or given Wayne's We intend to improve this in a
future firmware release. message of this morning,
maybe the discussion will just end.
73, Phil W7OX
On 4/13/14, 11:17 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
It's a total non-issue to me. I just wish the
discussion was a tiny bit more civil.
73 --
Thanks you Wayne for your post indicating that it is still on the list
for improvement!
Toby K4NH
On 4/13/2014 12:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
We intend to improve this in a future firmware release.
Wayne
N6KR
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Well, I messed around with it a bit more and I gave L33 and very light
nudge with the plastic tuning tool while looking at CAL FCTR. This
caused the BFO frequency to suddenly jump down from 4913.30 to
4912.42.
Strange thing is, only a few minutes after nudging L33, the BFO
frequency had already
There are additional aspects of these comparisons that are not often discussed.
The ergonomics of the two radios are vastly different... and rightly so given
their history. The Icom has had many more generations of radios to improve the
look, feel and operation of the radio. After owning and
Could the core be cracked?
On 4/13/2014 11:45 AM, TheMG . wrote:
Starting to look like L33 might be defective? Still puzzling why
giving it a small nudge would cause it to behave temporarily again.
I'm not even touching the windings just gently pressing down a bit on
the part of the core that
That indicates that you should concentrate on L33 and things around it.
Nudging things and finding significant changes indicates a bad
connection somewhere and/or possible shorted turns.
Did you flush cut the leads on the RF board under it?
Is it mounted on the rubber bumper?
Did you cut half
Ever since the most recent KAT500/KPA500 firmware updates, switching between
antenna 1 and 2 shows funny behavior.
For example, on the 20 meter band I have two antennas:
Antenna #1 -- Wire 80-meter Dipole (ladder line fed)
Antenna #2 -- Hex beam
So, I am positioned on antenna
Really... how many of us can, or wish to, send CW over 30 WPM?
73, F5VJC
On 13 April 2014 20:38, Toby Pennington w4c...@centurylink.net wrote:
Thanks you Wayne for your post indicating that it is still on the list for
improvement!
Toby K4NH
On 4/13/2014 12:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
There is a point at which a discussion thread goes on too long, but that
was not the case for the QRQ issue - at least not for me. And that
qualifier is important, I submit. I have been an Elecraft owner for only
about three years, and have been following the reflector for, I would
guess, around
NK7Z said:
However when I saw a discussion about malformed CW, I wanted to know
why... That did worry me a bit... I have seen many groups who can find
no wrong with a product, even if the product has issues... I was
starting to get the feeling the K3 might be that way...
If you don't mind
Not seeing it here, Phil.
KAT firmware 1.63
73,
Fred KE7X
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boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:02 PM
To: Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Problem --- switching
Pretty much anyone who contests or chases DX regularly on CW. The K3 is
quite popular with us. It really did a number on one of the W1AW/8 ops as I
recall.
73
Steve KL7SB
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Don, if you mean by ‘developed’ a charge is generated then no, the
triboelectric effect doesn’t work that way. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triboelectric_effect.
If you mean the previously, developed by friction on the body, charge is
transferred then yes, but then in only in a very
Elecraft K3/100 Serial Number 6175, with:
KXV3A Receive ANT IF out and XVRTR Interface board
KTCX03-1 High Accuracy 0.1ppm Reference Oscillator
KDVR3 Digital Voice Recorder board
KBPF3 General Coverage Receive module
Standard 5 pole 2.7khz filter
K3EXREF External Reference Input
New Kit cost is:
With all this complaining and extolling the virtues of both the K3
and the 756P 7600 series I would like to say that I'm downsizing
to only K3s. One for HF and one used for EME and as a transverter IF.
So I have to offer: A 756PI and a companion PW-1 to make a 1 KW+,
160 - 6M, transceiver.
With the release of the PX3, I could not help think how great it would look
to have a matching grey box panadapter for the K2. With about 8000 K2's out
there, I bet there would be a sizable market.
Im sure it is much more complicated than just reboxing the PX3, but it sure
would be fun to use
On 04/13/2014 04:54 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
The argument has been made that when a high voltage charge it
is discharged through the mat that the discharge must not be
too fast nor too slow. It must be just right. To Goldilocks
and her followers I say no it’s not so.
Not just right but
Leads under L33 are flush cut as flat as possible and it is mounted on
the rubber bumper with half the stem cut off exactly as per the
instructions. The resistor was pushed down into the center to keep L33
secure and to prevent the resistor body from being pressed on by the
bottom cover.
No luck
That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU!
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David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best
rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of
course, those in the early years weren't even
close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair,
heavily converted).
You will love it, I predict.
73, Phil w7ox
On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole
More experimenting this afternoon...
I am pretty sure now that it is the switch itself. If I do a press and hold
(as if it had one of those famous hold functions) then the switch operates just
fine. No problems. But, if I press as pressing a normal switch like I do a
hundred times a day on
Brett,
Thanks for that bit of info, I had decided I was going to try just that,
your note indicates it will work, so I am a happy camper now.
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Has anyone tried these speakers with his K3 or KX3?
If so, how good are they?
I'm cleaning the shack, and found two of them, plus one more NIB.
I had acquired these several years ago in a trade, when a good friend
decided that selling his SB-220 amp to me was a mistake.
72/73 de Jim - AD6CW
1.63, 3 antennas, all OK here
73,
Fred K6DGW
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On 4/13/2014 4:15 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:
Not seeing it here, Phil.
KAT firmware 1.63
73,
Fred KE7X
How does this net work?
I tried to get on today, at 2 PM EST (1800Z).
I heard almost nothing. Some random people calling CQ and what not.
No net control.
Is there a particular protocol that this net follows?
Was it even on today?
Just curious...
Slava B
W2RMS
On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Phil
I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :)
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During the early 70's through the late 90's, when I was doing QRQ, there
were only between 20 and 50 individuals running QSO's over 60 wpm and there
were about 10 of us running QSO's over 100 wpm. All sending by keyboard and
all receiving only by ear. Then there is the HSC in Germany who had a
Indeed it is another fun part of the hobby. You're in my log 20 times,
18 CW 2 RTTY. I can assure you none of those Q's were beyond about 40,
that's where my hearing starts to fade.
I met Joe, who is now N8EA, at Keesler AFB in Biloxi MS in the very
early 60's. Joe could copy 50 fairly
And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s.
On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote:
I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :)
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Get a replacement L33 and see if that takes care of it. You might wan
to request a replacement mounting resistor as well.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 4/13/2014 9:23 PM, TheMG . wrote:
Leads under L33 are flush cut as flat as possible and it is mounted on
the rubber bumper with half the stem cut off
The Pro series has some really cool features and is more sophisticated
than the K3 is some ways. But, there really is no comparison when it
comes to performance. I thought the Pro 2 was a cool radio, but I
think my K3 is a fantastic radio. I do miss the triple band-stacking
registers on the
Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers
I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National
NC-60. I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my
station until 1965.
MEMORIES!!
Now it is K-3's forever.
73 de Milt,
I logged in for the first time, even though my only significant piece of
equipment is the KXPA100 amp. Band conditions weren't great, so it's
possible you just couldn't hear most of the people loggin in. Obviously
you didn't hear the net control or the primary relay. I am surprised you
didn't
Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right now. I am
doing from scratch with all new parts except for the transformers, switches and
inductors. I am even putting new tube sockets in the chassis and also new
terminal strips. I am still in the process of collecting
If you can remember to remember, hah! Then the K3 has a sort of quad
band stack register. You can program the M1 to M4 keys with a set of
different frequencies and recall them to get to whichever band segment
you want. They are not true band stack in the sense of remembering where
a recalled
And you can have completely different frequencies/modes on VFO-A
and VFO-B. I have the 5 frequencies on 60M set up that way. I
also have the Elecraft SSB and CW nets set up on M3 and the PSK
sub band and W1AW set up on M4. YMMV.
73 Bill, AE6JV
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