Farewell - For Now

2001-08-16 Thread Dick Grobner
thank you to the list administrators who keep this forum running smoothly! So Long All Dick Grobner Medical Graphics Corporation 350 Oak Grove Parkway St Paul MN 55127 1-651-766-3395 1-651-766-3389 (fax) dick.grob...@medgraph.com www.medgraphics.com

RE: Oils for the 950 Hot Flaming Oil Test

2001-07-26 Thread Dick Grobner
You could try searching the following web based data bases for MSDS's www.msdssearch.com www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/pgintrod.html Good Luck -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:19 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Oils for

RE: Certificate of Incorporation???

2001-06-29 Thread Dick Grobner
FYI - In the state of Minnesota they refer to this document as Article of Incorporation and not Certificate of Incorporation. I confirmed by checking ours. -Original Message- From: Clement Dave-LDC009 [mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 3:59 PM To: 'Veit,

RE: World-wide approvals radio transmitters

2001-06-28 Thread Dick Grobner
I thought Japan - VCCI was for ITE equipment only? or am I wrong? I believe that Japanese safety standards are JIS - #. Which number applies to radios Tx/Rx I have no idea. hopefully someone else in the forum will know. Good Luck. -Original Message- From: am...@westin.org

RE: RTTE Harmonized Bands

2001-06-22 Thread Dick Grobner
Richard In a FAQ RTTE document I pulled from http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/rtte/faq.htm page 11 it deals with this issue, put give no source definitive source. There are some other interesting comments to some of the questions posed in this document. This is new for me so any bit of info

RE: FCC + FCC = FCC? - Outlaw

2001-06-21 Thread Dick Grobner
I forgot to mention, however we do test four equipment for emissions to FCC Class B. -Original Message- From: Dick Grobner Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 3:33 PM To: 'Tania Grant' Cc: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: RE: FCC + FCC = FCC? - Outlaw Will put Tania and I agree

RE: FCC + FCC = FCC? - Outlaw

2001-06-21 Thread Dick Grobner
Will put Tania and I agree with your reasoning! We don't deal with the FCC as we are a medical manufacturer, but we do deal with the FDA and the Europeans. We are a small medical manufacture compared to the Big Boys and we must play by the same rules! Size and dollars has nothing to do with it and

RE: (Assault and) Batteries (On The Planet) ...

2001-06-18 Thread Dick Grobner
In the eyes of corporate officers - as long as it doesn't cost us extra $'s or cuts into the bottom line! From my experience - if I have a standard or regulation to back up these types of requirements it does make my job allot easier! In (most of) the corporate world, the almighty buck carries

RE: Batteries ...

2001-06-15 Thread Dick Grobner
I would check with the: local county state federal requirements - in that order. That is the hierarchy established here in the State of Minnesota. I was also advised during a recent ISO Audit that we as a supplier of electronic equipment using a Lithium Ion battery are required to advise our

RE: Product Safety: A Matter of Law or Litigation?

2001-06-04 Thread Dick Grobner
Doug - as Glenn stated, one of your other customers may have a requirement to obtain a third party safety approval that your device is installed in. With out an approval on your device it would make their job allot harder and the cost would probably increase. As the compliance engineer for a

RE: EMC/RFI Gaskets

2001-06-01 Thread Dick Grobner
I would have to state that the polymeric material would be listed under the manufacture of that material (not necessarily the EMI gasket manufacturer) and the shield effectiveness data would be from the manufacturer of the EMI gasket. You should be able to contact the EMI gasket manufacture for

RE: Clamp-on Ground Resistance Testers

2001-05-25 Thread Dick Grobner
Some companies to check with are: NGI, Elk Grove Village IL 1-708-437-6444 AEMC Instruments, Boston MA 1-800-343-1391 www.aemc.com Both companies make / distribute ground (soil) resistance testers Good Luck! -Original Message- From: Leslie Bai [mailto:leslie_...@yahoo.com] Sent:

RE: Cable Drawing Standards

2001-05-24 Thread Dick Grobner
Good Day Andy About three years ago I had the same dilemma. I searched and found no such standard that was directed toward just this subject. There are many articles written and published in magazines, technical books, etc. dealing with proper cable construction. I then decided that I would

RE: [Fwd: ESD Gun recommendations?]

2001-05-22 Thread Dick Grobner
Dan - we have a Keytek Model MZ-15/EC Mini-zap ESD simulator with contact discharge tip Model MZTPC-2. We use it for pre-compliance testing per EN61000-4-2. We have been very pleased with its performance. We have Keytek perform the calibration and maintenance of the simulator and it never has

RE: Production Line Test Requirements - Medical Devices

2001-05-21 Thread Dick Grobner
)? Appreciate your feedback Jon! thanks again. Does anyone else on this forum have any input - would appreciate it. -Original Message- From: Jon Griver [mailto:jo...@medson.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:16 AM To: Dick Grobner Subject: RE: Production Line Test Requirements - Medical Devices

Production Line Test Requirements - Medical Devices

2001-05-17 Thread Dick Grobner
(See appendix B, and then paragraph 4.1). Thus - they are not identified as production line tests. I know that the NRTL's in the USA (UL/ETL) specifically call out what tests are to be performed after the production build of equipment. Any input would be appreciated. Thx Dick Grobner Medical Graphics

RE: New Immunity/ESD Specs.

2001-05-01 Thread Dick Grobner
I just received word yesterday that IEC has just released the following publications: IEC 61000-4-2 (2001-04) Edition 1.2 (ESD) Includes amendments 12 IEC 61000-4-3 (2001-04) Edition 1.2 (RF Radiated Immunity) Includes amendment 12 IEC 61000-4-5 (2001-04) Edition 1.1 (Surge) Includes amendment 1

RE: Medical Directive

2001-04-30 Thread Dick Grobner
With regards to your questions: Mobile or not does not make a difference. We manufacturer diagnostic equipment and use off the shelf PC's to do the number crunching. CE marking on the PC has always been an issue with us. About two years ago I did a PC search regarding CE marked equipment under

RE: Transformer Question

2001-04-26 Thread Dick Grobner
We have a certificate of conformity shipped with each lot of our transformers. This document defines in detail the materials and construction of the transformer. We have been using this method for a few years on about 3-4 transformers and have not had any problems with the UL factory inspections.

RE: MDS-201-004 help

2001-04-04 Thread Dick Grobner
You can obtain a free copy using the FDA search web site: http://www.fda.gov/search.html Just type in MDS-201-004 Good Luck! -Original Message- From: Schaefer, Rolf [mailto:rolf.schae...@de.unisys.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:51 AM To: 'Matsuda, Ken' Cc:

RE: Equipment for own use (was gas appliance)

2001-04-03 Thread Dick Grobner
Kind of follows the USA (OSHA) CFR 29, Part 1910, Sub-Part S requirements. That is - if the equipment is used within the work place it is the employers responsibility to ensure that the equipment is safe for use by his/her employees. Sub-Part S describes the means of achieving this.

RE: Cable Harnesses and Product Safety (UL1950/CSA C22.2 no. 950)

2001-03-15 Thread Dick Grobner
I would state the requirements (UL Recognized) for the wire, heat shrink, etc. on the print somewhere. You may want to also set up some sort of certification process with your supplier, that is, you and your supplier work up a certification document stating that components used on your assembly

RE: Repeat Postings

2001-03-13 Thread Dick Grobner
Yes I returned to work this past Monday only to see that I received over 80 e-mails over the weekend. After I recovered from the shock I started opening them, only to find about 60 or so were repeats from the last part of last week. I also have seen a few repeated these past few days. It appears

RE: DoC

2001-02-28 Thread Dick Grobner
We have a similar scenario presently. It was explained by our Notified Body this way: We, company B, are ISO certified and wish to market company A's device into the EU. However, company A is not ISO certified and wishes not to be (small company with little cash). The Medical Device Directive

RE: consumer electronics used on board aircraft

2001-01-25 Thread Dick Grobner
It must be interesting in New York City then! Every building must have a cell antenna on top of it. -Original Message- From: eric.lif...@ni.com [mailto:eric.lif...@ni.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:27 PM To: Brent DeWitt Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; owner-emc-p...@ieee.org;

RE: Product Marking

2001-01-24 Thread Dick Grobner
I agree, many years ago we did exactly that, labeled the product as conforms too _ _ _ _ before we started using an NRTL for product safety testing. Eventually the larger medical institutions and corporations got wise and started asking too see the third party NRTL mark on the product. Sense, we

RE: Copper Thieving

2001-01-18 Thread Dick Grobner
I agree - what is it? I tried looking it up in some of my PC design books at the start of this one and came up blank. Does it go by another name? -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:15 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org

FW: Medical devices

2001-01-17 Thread Dick Grobner
The device will need CE, thus the typical route is a tech file and a DoC. Refer to the Medical Device Directive (MDD) or the In-Vitro directive. From the little info you provided I would guess the Medical Directive is the one. Reading the scope of both should assist you in selecting the

RE: UL/CSA/IEC/EN Standards Search

2001-01-08 Thread Dick Grobner
For UL Standards: http://ulstandardsinfonet.ul.com/ For IEC Standards: http://www.iec.ch/webstore/ For EN's I usually call: Simcom International, Atlanta GA 1-770-730-9980 and ask for revision level of doc and $ Another good source for checking and purchasing standards is Global Engineering

RE: Documents with 'CE' products

2001-01-08 Thread Dick Grobner
Medical Device Directive As I understand it (and our Notified Body) all warning messages on the device, the basic operating instructions are required to be translated. We have taken our User Manuals and streamlined them into the basic information required to safely and effectively operate the

RE: EN documents for service, support, vibration and shock?

2001-01-05 Thread Dick Grobner
We have used the International Safe Transit Association standard 1A for testing our medical devices. This is for products (in general) weighting up to 100 lbs. This has been accepted by our Notified Body for addressing the Essential Requirements within the Medical Device Directive. Hope this

RE: Seeking assistance from Chemical Experts

2001-01-03 Thread Dick Grobner
FYI: From Webster's Third New International Dictionary: STODDARD SOLVENT: a straight run petroleum naphtha fraction of low flammability containing principally aliphatic hydrocarbons and conforming to specifications (as water-white color, distillation range 300°F to 400°F, and a flash point

RE: OATS Turntable Canopy

2001-01-02 Thread Dick Grobner
What about using the fake wood that they have out now? It is composed of some type of plastic but not sure of the base material used, or if it is re-cycled plastic. Just another thought, I'm sure it would hold its shape better in the high heat regions of the US. One source is McMaster-Carr

RE: Hazardous Material Questions

2000-12-28 Thread Dick Grobner
The lead used in the tin lead solder is considered hazardous waste, unless you are using lead free solder. I also believe there may be mercury in the LCD displays. We dispose of our scrap Printed Circuit Boards with a licensed recycler. They reclaim the precious metals (gold and silver) from the

RE: Thermocouple issues

2000-12-18 Thread Dick Grobner
Opps - I ment to say cyanoacrylate adhesive (supper glue) and an accelerator. Sorry! -Original Message- From: Dick Grobner [mailto:dick.grob...@medgraph.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 4:03 PM To: 'Joe Finlayson' Cc: IEEE EMC-PSTC E-Mail Forum (E-mail) Subject: RE: Thermocouple

RE: Thermocouple issues

2000-12-15 Thread Dick Grobner
If you are welding up your own thermocouples, 2 part epoxy works well. You may destroy the thermocouple removing it but if you weld up your own - who cares. Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: Joe Finlayson [mailto:jfinlay...@telica.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:53 PM To:

RE: Application of CE Mark

2000-12-11 Thread Dick Grobner
We have placed the CE marking onto our external packaging for the very same reason. We have been doing this for 21/2 years and no issues have been raised. I can not assure you that this will minimize the chances of the local custom officials from opening the carton and assuring that he device is

RE: ESD Floor waxing

2000-12-11 Thread Dick Grobner
I would contact the ESD Assoc. at 315-339-6937 and pose the question to them. There is an ESD Assoc. standard #S7.1 but I believe it deals with actual ESD flooring materials (i.e.tile). A company that supplies ESD floor finish products is ACL Inc. 1-800-782-8420. I hope this helps! -Original

IEC 61000-3-2 -3-3

2000-11-28 Thread Dick Grobner
At the web address below you will find an article written by J.M. Woodgate dealing with 61000-3-2 -3. This may be of interest to some on this forum as I know the issue seems to surface about every other week. Happy Reading! http://www.conformity-update.com/iec-61000-000908.htm Dick Grobner

RE: ITE Emissions above 1 GHz

2000-11-16 Thread Dick Grobner
Short range device? Look at ETSI 300-683, EMC Std for Short Range Devices - operating freq. 9kHz to 25GHz. Chapter 8 deals with emissions. Hope this helps! -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:10 PM To:

RE: UL rec. needed on custom transformer ???

2000-11-16 Thread Dick Grobner
I would like to add that I (my employer) also have used Tania's #1 suggestion with regards to a similar device. Has worked out well over the past years. Responsibility of compliance stays within the manufacturer's facility and not ours! -Original Message- From: Gary McInturff

RE: DC Fuse for Power Supply

2000-10-26 Thread Dick Grobner
They are in the Schurter catalog dated 10/99, pages 144 - 155 Good Luck! -Original Message- From: jrbar...@lexmark.com [mailto:jrbar...@lexmark.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:50 PM To: dmck...@gte.net; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: DC Fuse for Power Supply Doug, I ran

RE: Power Line Voltages

2000-10-05 Thread Dick Grobner
Web sites - try: http://www.kropla.com/electric2.htm http://www.interpower.com/guide.htm http://www.quail.com/locator/index.html Books: Electric Current Abroad - US Dept of Commerce, 1-800-553-NTIS, or http://www.ntis.gov the order number is PB98-193383 I think California Instruments: Current

RE: Shielded Cables

2000-09-07 Thread Dick Grobner
Yes - I have experienced it in the past. Another wiring scheme you may see is the pigtail connection of the cable shield terminating to the connector shell (if your lucky) but more typical it is terminated to the metal portion of the connector body. Both methods of terminating the cable shield is

RE: Why routine hipot is required.

2000-09-01 Thread Dick Grobner
Basically - high potential testing is a means to check the integrity (safety) of the wiring/components and construction used in the front end before the power supplies. I have two free publications, from two companies that manufacture high potential testers, that explain the process and needs

RE: Vibration and Shock Testing

2000-09-01 Thread Dick Grobner
For our medical equipment we have used ASTM D4169-96 D4728-95 and most recently ISTA Procedure 1 1A. The ISTA appears to be the more universally accepted standard. Good Luck! -Original Message- From: ricklinf...@phobos.com [mailto:ricklinf...@phobos.com] Sent: Thursday, August 31,

RE: PTCs

2000-08-04 Thread Dick Grobner
We have been using Raychem for a few years now as overload protection. We have had no problems with safety approvals, etc. As far as I know we have had no reported failures, etc. I have also had excellent engineering support when needed. No affiliation with Raychem - but they do make a good

RE: product cert question

2000-08-03 Thread Dick Grobner
Fabian Ray Russell and Rich Nute are correct. It can be done and we presently have an OEM device under a split inspection program of our NRTL. I would strongly recommend against it fir the same reason the other two members mention. It takes longer, cost more, in our case - we had to do all the

RE: UL Acceptance of On-Line Manuals

2000-07-28 Thread Dick Grobner
We have played with the idea but have consistently talked ourselves out of it. Reasons have been: - the ability to read the manuals (one also needs to provide a copy of some sort of reader software such as Adobe) - Revision control is a concern along with the cost. - Our manuals are quite

Medical Device License - Canada

2000-07-27 Thread Dick Grobner
them out. Thank you Dick Grobner Compliance Engineering Medical Graphics Corporation 350 Oak Grove Parkway St Paul, MN 55127 651-766-3395 651-484-8941 (fax) dick.grob...@medgraph.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical

RE: EN60601 - idle curiosity

2000-07-12 Thread Dick Grobner
Nick - A quick review of 601-1-1 revealed a couple of main issues to be considered. One is labeling (i.e. manuals equipment)that is, if the equipment is not complaint with 601-1 the warning symbol (symbol 14, table 1, 601-1) needs to be on the equipment and explanation within the user

RE: Are NTCs Safe to Use in Electrical Equipment

2000-07-10 Thread Dick Grobner
Raychem (www.raychem.com)is one manufacturer that have PTC's that are UL Recognized. I'm not sure if they have NTC's. We use their PTC's as resettable overload devices (in transformers mainly) in our UL Certified product line (medical). We have never had a problem with UL evaluating the devices

Enclosure Material Immunity

2000-09-14 Thread Dick Grobner
(in advance) Dick Grobner Compliance Engineering Medical Graphics Corporation 350 Oak Grove Parkway St Paul, MN 55127 651-766-3395 651-766-3389 (fax) dick.grob...@medgraph.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc

FW: Double Retention

2000-09-20 Thread Dick Grobner
My 2 cents - I have used a piece of heatshirnk with the inner adhesive (that melts upon shrinking) to comply with the same requirement. The shrink goes over the barrel of the contact / lug and the insulation of the wire. After shrinking / cooling the adhesive retains the wire pretty will.

FW: Application of agency safety markings

2000-09-22 Thread Dick Grobner
I would also like to add that you could label the devices in the warehouse but it would fall under a field inspection. This is when an ETL engineer would go on site, run the required tests, inspect the device for compliance to the test report, etc. Cost allot of dollars and some time. I have

RE: Red LED's

2000-09-22 Thread Dick Grobner
May I add: In IEC/EN 60601-1 (medical) red may only be used to alert the operator/user of an immediate danger to patient, operator or bystander. Use of red as an indicator should be avoided. -Original Message- From: Mark Schmidt [mailto:mschm...@xrite.com] Sent: Friday, September 22,

RE: Application of agency safety markings

2000-09-22 Thread Dick Grobner
May I add: UL has a publication titled Show the UL Mark. The copy I have is hardcopy and it may be available on their web site http://www.ul.com or you may be able to request copy via e-mail. It is a very informative document - worth obtaining reading! -Original Message- From: Colgan,

RE: Safety test your EMC test sample?

2000-09-29 Thread Dick Grobner
My input - I vote number 3. I usually run a leakage test and the high voltage potential test on devices following he Immunity tests. I have also experienced No. 1 however (smoke and fire during surge testing - and the dog still hated the cat!). Later! -Original Message- From:

RE: General Product Safety and Liability Directives

2000-06-21 Thread Dick Grobner
Here's my 2 cents: In Webster's II New Riverside Dictionary the definition of Consumer is: 1)one that consumes 2) A buyer of goods and services Thus - Wouldn't one of our customers who buys our goods and services, say a hospital, thus be a consumer! -Original Message- From:

RE: Notified Body Numbers

2000-04-05 Thread Dick Grobner
Our notified body ID number consist of four digits, other ones I have seen also have four digits. -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:50 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Notified Body Numbers How many

RE: Is the modular approach to EMC the same as CE + CE = CE?

2000-03-28 Thread Dick Grobner
Sense this discussion has started regarding CE + CE = CE, I have one question, and by the way - I agree with Paolo's comments (and the European Commission Guidance Doc). We offer with our device an off the shelf standard PC along with a printer, monitor, etc. This interfaces with our manufactured

RE: Certification of Products and other emerging countries

2000-03-27 Thread Dick Grobner
Such as Appendix A in UL2601 - General Guidance and Rational I've been in this section more than once and find it very useful. Also for medical - The European Commission puts out Working Documents titled MEDDEV's. These are used to explain and define either a directive, or define terminology

RE: UL544 Leakage Limits Patient Equipment

2000-03-27 Thread Dick Grobner
Good Day - First, why are you using UL544? Why not use UL2601, based on IEC601-1 with US deviations? Beware, UL544 UL187 may be used until Jan 1 2003, after that use of UL2601 will be mandatory. Also, As of Jan 1 2005, all Listed, Classified and Recognized medical and dental products, where

RE: Lightning Surge Equipment

2000-03-24 Thread Dick Grobner
A company called Caddock (www.caddock.com) makes high voltage non-inductive resistors. I didn't see anything in their on-line short order catalog that would work. It would be worth a try to contact them and give them your requirements. Good Luck! -Original Message- From: Mike Hopkins

FW: Certification of Products and other emerging countries

2000-03-24 Thread Dick Grobner
I have tried for years advising our International Sales Marketing group to budget into their yearly budget plan the cost of compliance. As usually when I try too find a dept. account number with some cash in it to reference on my PO's I get to this strange look back - like what are you

RE: Sizes for Power, Control and Signal Cords/Cables/Wires

2000-03-24 Thread Dick Grobner
I have received more than two from different parties, is there an issue with the 'EMC-PSTC' server, etc. I thought it may have been on my end. -Original Message- From: John Allen [mailto:john.al...@rdel.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 9:28 AM To: 'EMC-PSTC' Subject: RE: Sizes for

RE: Sharp edges

2000-03-21 Thread Dick Grobner
I agree with Scott and will try to do better on future correspondences. It is nice to have the reference even when dealing with co-workers who question your knowledge or judgement in a matter. It too bad but I have run into this many times in the past both internally and externally. PS - Do not

RE: FW: SHARP EDGES/SURFACES

2000-03-21 Thread Dick Grobner
that cutting hazards due to burrs and sharp edges are minimized to an acceptable level? So far I have heard of two methods: a specified minimum radius and a physical test of running tape over edges (the UL test). Richard Woods -- From: Dick Grobner [SMTP:dick.grob

RE: FW: SHARP EDGES/SURFACES

2000-03-21 Thread Dick Grobner
this clears things a little! -Original Message- From: pmerguer...@itl.co.il [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 8:46 AM To: Dick Grobner Subject: Re: FW: SHARP EDGES/SURFACES Dick, My question was related to SEMI standards and not IEC 601-1. Brian Harlowe gave a very

RE: ESD wrist strap

2000-03-21 Thread Dick Grobner
In the US (for rest of world?) the industry standard seems to be 1/8 dia x 1/2L banana plug. This would be for the standard ESD wrist strap, that is, NOT a continuously monitored ESD surveillance system (These types usually utilize a dual conductor phone plug). I have purchased from many

FW: SEMI and SHARP EDGES

2000-03-21 Thread Dick Grobner
EN 60601-1 (UL2601)section 23 states: Surfaces, corners and edges: Rough surfaces, sharp corners and edges which may cause injury or damage shall be avoided or covered. In particular, attention shall be paid to flange or frame edges and the removal of burrs Compliance is checked by inspection.

RE: SAF: Insulation resistance and hipot tests

2000-03-17 Thread Dick Grobner
EN60601-1 (Medical Safety) Appendix C provides a list entitled Sequence of Testing. This list is used during the course of the safety investigation on the device. It follows as: C24: Cont. leakage currents and patient auxiliary currents at operating temp C25: Dielectric strength at operating temp

RE: EN standard for pacemaker immunity

2000-03-16 Thread Dick Grobner
You could contact our Notified Body - TUV Product Services at 1-651-638-0261 or http://www.tuvps.com Dennis Swanson is the EMI Engineer I deal with. I know they do quite allot of EMI work on pacemakers/defibrillators and the like as we have some of the big boys up here in Mpls/St.Paul (i.e.

RE: ESD wrist strap

2000-03-15 Thread Dick Grobner
Our field service group uses an ESD field service kit. This is provided with the standard ESD wrist strap grounding cord terminated with the standard banana plug. We also provide them with a large gator clip which can plug into the banana plug. We have also incorporated onto our device

RE: EMC and product safety split?

2000-03-13 Thread Dick Grobner
I would like the list to stay as is. Even though I deal with medical equipment I find the discussions related to ITE also interesting and sometimes applicable to medical. I'm sure that for some of you your employer is of a small caliber like mine as compared to the big guns, so you wear many hats

FW: Correction factor for power supply cords.

2000-03-10 Thread Dick Grobner
-I agree with Ed's comment. Were mfg. of medical equipment, thus within our global standard EN60601-1 Table XV provides a cross reference between the conductors cross sectional area (mm sq. for copper)and the rated current of the equipment. Also referring to UL 2601 (our US std) in the UL

RE: Certification School

2000-03-08 Thread Dick Grobner
I may add that UL does offer a two day course on UL 2601 (Medical Safety)and I'm sure they have similar courses for UL1950 and so on. I'm still trying to convince my employer to spend the $800 and fly me to Chicago but so far it hasn't happen but who knows - -Original Message- From:

RE: Product Safety Certification School

2000-03-06 Thread Dick Grobner
My 2 cents: I agree, it would make my life easier in compliance engineering if the EE's ME's would have a little basic understanding of the concepts of product safety. It seems that they have a general knowledge of EMI/RFI but the product safety side is still missing. -Original

RE: Demo Units Sent to EU w/o CE ?

2000-03-03 Thread Dick Grobner
In the Medical Device Directive (93/42/EEC) Article 4 paragraph 3 states: At trade fairs, exhibitions, demonstrations, etc. Member States shall not create any obstacles to the showing of devices which do not conform to this Directive, provided that a visible sign clearly indicates that such a

RE: Technical Documentation

2000-03-02 Thread Dick Grobner
Within the Medical Device Directive, 93/42/EEC, Annex VII it states as: The manufacturer must prepare the technical documentation described in Section 3 (TDF). The manufacturer or his authorized representative established within the community must make this documentation, including the

FW: EMC for medical devices

2000-01-26 Thread Dick Grobner
-Original Message- From: Dick Grobner Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 11:19 AM To: 'Kevin Newland' Subject: RE: EMC for medical devices Europe is EN 60601-1-2 In 1996 - for the US - it was the FDA's draft document entitled Reviewers Guidance for Premarket Notification Submissions

RE: ESD GUIDELINES FOR SEMICON INDUSTRY.

2000-01-21 Thread Dick Grobner
Another source may be the ESD Association. Two standards that may apply (as I have never seen nor used them) may be EOS/ESD S5.201994 and ESD-DSP 10.1-1999 (draft)? There web site address is www.eosesd.org Good Luck! -Original Message- From: Christian Martí [mailto:cma...@efinet.com]

RE: Proper Protective Earth Ground Symbol

2000-01-18 Thread Dick Grobner
This may help; We have successfully used the upside down tree within the circle. Our NRTL has accepted this. They are available for $120 in pkg. of 1000 from EuroPort 508-526-1687. -Original Message- From: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com [mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com] Sent: Tuesday,

RE: EN 61000-4-2

2000-01-17 Thread Dick Grobner
Mr Jenson - I agree with Bill's input. When I do in house validation I will usually go to 10kV (or K) - 12kV for a test level. The standard we use is EN 60601-1-2 (medical electrical equipment) which states 3kV contact discharge and 8kV air discharge. These values are way too conservative for our

RE: LVD voltage range.

2000-01-14 Thread Dick Grobner
I agree with Georges comments - We market numerous PC's, Laptop's and Handheld computers, printers, etc. with our devices, as compliance engineer for my company I look for the required marks such as UL,CSA,GS, CE etc. Without these they don't get into our back door - thus not to our customer

RE: UPS standards

2000-01-14 Thread Dick Grobner
Our supplier of UPS's test theirs to UL 1778 and certified to CSA Product Class 5311 05 The medical grade version to the earlier UL544 and certified to CSA Product Class 8741 01. They also test their products following UL 1449 which is intended as a guide when testing Transient Voltage Surge

RE: Permanence of marking test.

1999-10-28 Thread Dick Grobner
Try Morton Thiokol - Alfa Products 1-800-343-0660, 1-617-777-1970 or VWR Scientific Products 1-800-932-5000 or www.vwrsp.cpm Both show it is available in small qty. in their catalogs Good Luck -Original Message- From: Ehler, Kyle [mailto:kyle.eh...@lsil.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27,

RE: impact /probes

1999-11-16 Thread Dick Grobner
Try Educated Design Development, Inc Raleigh NC(1-919-821-7088). They seem to offer probes and test fingers for a little less than others, however they still cost for what you get. Good Luck! -Original Message- From: teck...@apcc.com [mailto:teck...@apcc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November

RE: Mesh Screen for 950

1999-12-15 Thread Dick Grobner
I'm not sure of the requirements within UL1950, seeing we are a medical device manufacturer, but a good source for screen and perforated metal is McMaster Carr. Great source for hardware, in low volumes due to the high cost, but they stock everything that is in their catalog and will be in your

RE: copper properties MIL-STD 461 462

1999-12-14 Thread Dick Grobner
FYI - The address I used about a month ago to register was: http://www.dodssp.daps.mil it may still get you to the same place as the other address. It then took about 3-4 days to get my account number/password (whatever you want to call it). I then downloaded a copy of MIL-STD-461E with no

FW: NRTL recommendation required

1999-12-07 Thread Dick Grobner
-Original Message- From: Dick Grobner Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:07 AM To: 'Richard Lanzillotto' Cc: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: RE: NRTL recommendation required We are a medical device manufacturer, our product line consists of non-invasive (key)pulmonary

RE: NRTL recommendation required

1999-12-07 Thread Dick Grobner
We are a medical device manufacturer, our product line consists of non-invasive (key)pulmonary diagnostic devices (we design and mfg.) and operates off of PCs, laptops, or handheld computers (along with the other necessary computing peripherals). Our devices are used in and out of the

RE: RE: Minnesota and Vermont Mercury labeling law

1999-12-03 Thread Dick Grobner
Try the following site: http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/115A/9651.html Title: Listed Metals In Specified Products (Minnesota) I didn't see anything about product labeling, but there is a process to submit products for re-sale containing listed metals Good Luck -Original

RE: Conductive Coating

1999-11-04 Thread Dick Grobner
Some other issues regarding safety - if your product is UL Listed or Certified the conductive coating will need to be listed in the UL Plastics Recognized Component Directory as well as the applicator of the conductive coating and the supplier of the raw plastic material. I had the experience of

RE: worldwide Electrical Guide for Industrial Environment

1999-10-12 Thread Dick Grobner
I just purchased my new (1998) edition of Electric Current Abroad from the US Dept of Commerce. It provides the following info by country or city within: type and frequency of current, number of phases, nominal voltage, number of wires, frequency stability. Cost is $10, pub number #PB98156466,

RE: Removable Module requirements

1999-10-07 Thread Dick Grobner
We have used the design you are proposing, removable modules buried inside with a front door requiring a tool to open. We also include the general service warning advising of hazardous voltages, etc. We have our medical equipment UL Classified to UL 2601 (based on en60601-1)and had no problem

Italy EMI/RFI Testing

1999-10-06 Thread Dick Grobner
Good Day All - Being a new member (1 mth) on this forum, I want to say it has been very informative. Some of the responses to questions asked are interesting and enlightening to say the least. Some of you have vivid imaginations - which is good! Now lets get to my question. Does anyone know of

RE: Field Safety Tests

1999-09-21 Thread Dick Grobner
NFPA 99 (Health Care Facilities)Chapter 12 (Hospital Requirements) section 12-3 may give some insight. I do not know of a documented time interval for such tests. I do know that some of the larger institutions specify 1 year (their policy)to perform a hy-pot, chassis leakage and ground ohms

RE: help

1999-09-20 Thread Dick Grobner
John - we have already gone through the same issues as you are now experiencing. What we have created was a document entitled Certificate of Part Conformance that the fabricator sends with every shipment of plastic parts. This is retained with our component receipt files which the UL Inspector

RE: UL legal requirement

1999-09-20 Thread Dick Grobner
Jeff - First, we are a medical device manufacturer. Awhile ago I went through the same issue. In our case the only requirement I'm aware of for medical equipment is to comply with the local and state authorities requiring it, such as City of LA. suburbs, City of Chicago suburbs, State of Oregon

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