Re: [Emc-users] First cut

2012-05-09 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 06:55 +0100, Mike Bennett wrote: After four months of weekends I've taken my first cuts on my DIY gantry router. ... snip Nice work Mike, Congratulations. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California,

Re: [Emc-users] Setting EPP Mode

2012-05-09 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On May 8, 2012, at 11:48 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 23:33 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: ... snip Alas, I still get a fault: univstepdiags c030 bus io addr = c030 parport addr 0xc030 Segmentation fault LinuxCNC fails to start with the same message as before. Did

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread Kim Kirwan
On 05/08/2012 11:34 PM, Mark Cason wrote: On 05/08/2012 09:17 PM, Dave wrote: On 5/8/2012 10:08 PM, Mark Cason wrote: Is this motor worth trying to get working? http://www.flickr.com/photos/46689581@N03/7161870700/in/photostream

Re: [Emc-users] PID controller Q's

2012-05-09 Thread Andy Pugh
On 9 May 2012, at 06:51, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: pattern of narrow and wide threads in the final product. Watching the encoder on my scope, it looks very consistent, but the encoder.0.velocity output has wibbles of +-50% in its speed G76 doesn't use the velocity, it just

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 05:34, Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote: So there's no chance of using it for controlling an axis.  Oh well, No, I think you probably could control an axis with it. First thing to work out is what the little connector has on it. I would expect to see a red and a black for

Re: [Emc-users] Joystick Pendant

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 06:36, Mike Bennett mjb1...@gmail.com wrote: For now just linking a button to perform touch off zero would be good, but I need a way to control which axis.  I have several buttons spare so I could use one for each axis. Touch-off is equivalent to G10, so you could link a

Re: [Emc-users] First cut

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 06:55, Mike Bennett mjb1...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/59884319/1/CNC%20Machine?h=c48cbb Good work. I note the presence of BS1363 mains plugs, so presume you are in the UK too? -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply,

Re: [Emc-users] Setting EPP Mode

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 07:37, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: OK! Now I will start testing it. Anyone have an idea what to look for? In other words what would cause LinuxCNC to crash from the USC? It isn't crashing, I suspect, so muchas gracefully giving up. (segmentation fault is a crash,

Re: [Emc-users] Behavior of Touch-Off Dialog

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
I put in the pyvcp button yesterday for touch off Z to material and love it! No more fumbling for me... John On 5/8/2012 11:37 AM, BRIAN GLACKIN wrote: snip John There is an echo in here. Maybe John and I are alone, but I think far fewer homing and touch off mistakes, where a previously

[Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
I have a Bridgeport Discovery 308 VMC with a Siemens Simodrive 611 drive. I've been troubleshooting this beast since the day I plugged it in. From what I can figure out the commutating reactor is on the futz. My phase converter is balanced well, the voltage coming out of the transformer going

Re: [Emc-users] First cut

2012-05-09 Thread Mike Bennett
Good work. I note the presence of BS1363 mains plugs, so presume you are in the UK too? I certainly am. I'm based near Guildford in Surrey. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread Dave
John, I think you are actually looking at the DC power supply module - often called the infeed module. 500 volts DC is pretty common for Siemens DC bus voltage. Is there a yellow and red light on the front of it? Any numerical display? What is the part number? Dave On 5/9/2012 7:16 AM,

Re: [Emc-users] Joystick Pendant

2012-05-09 Thread Mike Bennett
Andy That's great Looking at the syntax of G10, I think I would need to add [HALUI] # mdi-command-00 Touch off X MDI_COMMAND = G10 L20 P0 X0 # mdi-command-01 Touch off Y MDI_COMMAND = G10 L20 P0 Y0 # mdi-command-02 Touch off Z MDI_COMMAND = G10 L20 P0 X0 to my INI file I should then be able

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
The buss voltage on the infeed module is perfect at 600vdc and rock steady. The UVW connections at the infeed module are where I'm seeing wildly varying voltages. My circuit is 245vac at the fuses to a three phase transformer to 385vac to the commutating reactor and coming out of it the

Re: [Emc-users] Joystick Pendant

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
I use a 0.375 dowel to touch off Z so I used MDI_COMMAND = G10 L20 P0 X0.375 John On 5/9/2012 7:04 AM, Mike Bennett wrote: Andy That's great Looking at the syntax of G10, I think I would need to add [HALUI] # mdi-command-00 Touch off X MDI_COMMAND = G10 L20 P0 X0 # mdi-command-01

Re: [Emc-users] First cut

2012-05-09 Thread charles green
your automated router should make the next one much easier to construct. --- On Wed, 5/9/12, Mike Bennett mjb1...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Bennett mjb1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] First cut To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wednesday,

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 13:12, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: I have jacked with the caps on the phase converter and with it wildly out of balance been able to go from 0 - 6k rpm for a bit. That sounds like you can narrow it down to one leg of the reactor then, which is the weak leg in the

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread Dave Caroline
Are you on a real 3 phase or are you creating 3 from 1 Dave Caroline -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers

Re: [Emc-users] Opinions on Leadwell VMC?

2012-05-09 Thread robert
hi we have two leadwells 1985 specs, id def buy a newer one if one came up right money. they are good reliable machines never had aproblem with ours, getting alittle old so that one might need some TLC like ours did, but new balls in screw.. new bearing set on the screw too , so just be ready

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
The reactor is a Siemens 4EP4003-8DS The infeed module is Siemens 6SN1145-1BA00-0BA0 bottom option box is SL .00 XA Thanks John On 5/9/2012 6:43 AM, Dave wrote: John, I think you are actually looking at the DC power supply module - often called the infeed module. 500 volts DC is pretty

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
I'm on a phase converter that I built. John On 5/9/2012 7:30 AM, Dave Caroline wrote: Are you on a real 3 phase or are you creating 3 from 1 Dave Caroline -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
I don't understand what you mean by weak leg? John On 5/9/2012 7:22 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 9 May 2012 13:12, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com wrote: I have jacked with the caps on the phase converter and with it wildly out of balance been able to go from 0 - 6k rpm for a bit. That sounds

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 13:51, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand what you mean by weak leg? You said you had it wildly out of balance ? -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong.

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread Dave Caroline
How does your phase converter work (which method) any inbalance in phase or waveform will effect stuff downstream Dave Caroline -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's

Re: [Emc-users] First cut

2012-05-09 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, May 09, 2012 09:54:44 AM Mike Bennett did opine: After four months of weekends I've taken my first cuts on my DIY gantry router. https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/59884319/1/CNC%20Machine?h=c48cbb Drawn in iPocket Draw on the iPad, made using the router on the machine, a

Re: [Emc-users] Opinions on Leadwell VMC?

2012-05-09 Thread s...@highlab.com
Yeah, i saw your build log on the forum, looks like a nice capable machine at the end. I didnt realize you had two! Are either of yors a Westlake model? Do you have the manuals and/or wiring diagrams? This seller has lost his... - Reply message - From: robert

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
What I was referring to was the phase to phase voltage measured at the phase converter. I'll run out and get the paper sack that we wrote the voltages on and be right back. John On 5/9/2012 7:59 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 9 May 2012 13:51, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:00:13 AM Kim Kirwan did opine: On 05/08/2012 11:34 PM, Mark Cason wrote: On 05/08/2012 09:17 PM, Dave wrote: On 5/8/2012 10:08 PM, Mark Cason wrote: Is this motor worth trying to get working?

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
It's a self starting 15hp 3 phase motor with a heavy iron frame that I built using a potential relay and some start caps to get it running and I have 120uf (two 60's) run caps between phase 1 and 2, and 60uf between phase 2 and 3. The incoming single phase legs are connected to phase 1 and 3.

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 15:33, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: However, for a bare motor, $115 shipping is a decent price.  I could eventually be interested in using one to replace the 300 watter on my mini- lathes spindle, but one project at a time. I am not sure that that motor is brushless,

Re: [Emc-users] PID controller Q's

2012-05-09 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:34:14 AM Andy Pugh did opine: On 9 May 2012, at 06:51, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: pattern of narrow and wide threads in the final product. Watching the encoder on my scope, it looks very consistent, but the encoder.0.velocity output has wibbles of

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
Ok, what I had been running was 4x60uf caps between 1 and 3 and 1x60uf cap between 2 and 3 (generated leg on 3 then) and that seemed to work the best. at the phase converter to ground 1 = 120v, 2 = 120v, 3 = 226v phase to phase 1 + 2 = 244v, 2 + 3 = 248v, 1 + 3 = 262v at the 380v taps on the

Re: [Emc-users] Behavior of Touch-Off Dialog

2012-05-09 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:55:23 AM John Thornton did opine: I put in the pyvcp button yesterday for touch off Z to material and love it! No more fumbling for me... John link to Recipe? Please? Thanks John. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap,

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread Mark Cason
On 05/09/2012 09:43 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 9 May 2012 15:33, gene heskettghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: However, for a bare motor, $115 shipping is a decent price. I could eventually be interested in using one to replace the 300 watter on my mini- lathes spindle, but one project at a time. I

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread Mark Cason
On 05/09/2012 09:33 AM, gene heskett wrote: On Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:00:13 AM Kim Kirwan did opine: On 05/08/2012 11:34 PM, Mark Cason wrote: On 05/08/2012 09:17 PM, Dave wrote: On 5/8/2012 10:08 PM, Mark Cason wrote: Is this motor worth trying to get working?

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread Mark Cason
On 05/09/2012 03:27 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 9 May 2012 05:34, Mark Casonfarmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote: So there's no chance of using it for controlling an axis. Oh well, No, I think you probably could control an axis with it. First thing to work out is what the little connector has on it. I

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 16:19, Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote:   The place I got this one just sent ~50 of them to the scrap yard last week... Did they say which scrap yard? -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong.

Re: [Emc-users] First cut

2012-05-09 Thread Mike Bennett
The gantry is driven with just one motor, but I have a wire and pully system to keep the other side running parrallel. There is a pully at each corner of the table and the wire goes diagonally throught the table to the other side, all through some nice slots in the torsion box. Mike On 9 May

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 09:55 -0500, John Thornton wrote: Ok, what I had been running was 4x60uf caps between 1 and 3 and 1x60uf cap between 2 and 3 (generated leg on 3 then) and that seemed to work the best. at the phase converter to ground 1 = 120v, 2 = 120v, 3 = 226v phase to phase 1 +

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread Mark Cason
On 05/09/2012 09:33 AM, gene heskett wrote: How big is this speedway mill-drill? At 28 lbs for one of these, I don't know as it would be all that great hanging on the end of the x table. OTOH it looks like several lbs of stuff could be removed too. That mount looks like 5 lbs, and the

Re: [Emc-users] PID controller Q's

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 15:52, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: G76 doesn't use the velocity, it just looks at position. There is no way that that can be varying enough to cause your issue. Have you linked encoder.position or encoder.position-interpolated? I used velocity. Where? If you have

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 16:16, Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote:   I've been messing around with steppers for a few years now, so I know next to nothing about servos.  What all is needed to run one? If it is brushless, then you need some way to tell the drive where the rotor is, so that it can

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread Mark Cason
On 05/09/2012 10:24 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 9 May 2012 16:19, Mark Casonfarmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote: The place I got this one just sent ~50 of them to the scrap yard last week... Did they say which scrap yard? Yes, I called this morning, but they are now bound for China via a slow

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
I'm wired out there but I don't get the mail feed there... John On 5/9/2012 10:05 AM, gene heskett wrote: On Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:03:50 AM John Thornton did opine: What I was referring to was the phase to phase voltage measured at the phase converter. I'll run out and get the paper

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread Eric Keller
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com wrote: My Dad stopped by, and gave me the motor yesterday afternoon. This morning, I talked to the guy he got it from, and he said he buys old sewing machines, replaces all the 3 phase motors, with single phase ones, and

Re: [Emc-users] Behavior of Touch-Off Dialog

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
No link, but it's not on a paper bag either so I can copy and paste it from the CHNC to here. in my .xml file I added: button halpinz-material-touchoff/halpin textZ Material Touch Off/text bd3/bd /button in my postgui.hal file I added: ... note 9 more mdi commands precede this one. net

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
That's the job of the infeed module to take the 3 phase 380vac and create 600vdc. Are you saying ditch all that and roll my own DC power supply and connect it to the DC buss for the drives? I'd like to know the details for that for sure... The Simodrive 611 is a modular rack thing with copper

Re: [Emc-users] PID controller Q's

2012-05-09 Thread dave
On Tue, 8 May 2012 21:22:29 +0100 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 May 2012 21:06, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: You have no Pgain, but Igain and Dgain.  That's a problem.  An all I and D loop is almost always unstable. That depends…. For a spindle P gain is not much help, as

Re: [Emc-users] PID controller Q's

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 17:51, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: I've seen P values as low as 15 and as high as 600 FF1 values from 18 (ugh) down to -0.01. The parameters are not unitless, so will vary even on identical hardware between mm and inch machines, and depending on whether the pwmgen is

Re: [Emc-users] PID controller Q's

2012-05-09 Thread Peter C. Wallace
snip--- I've seen P values as low as 15 and as high as 600 FF1 values from 18 (ugh) down to -0.01. I think the main reason for this is non-normalized PID input and output values I like to suggest that for velocity mode drives, the DAC/PWM device be scaled directly in

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 17:38, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: That's the job of the infeed module to take the 3 phase 380vac and create 600vdc. Are you saying ditch all that and roll my own DC power supply and connect it to the DC buss for the drives? That's an interesting idea. I guess the first

Re: [Emc-users] PID controller Q's

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 18:21, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: Torque mode needs little FF1 and lots of D as effectively it must create the velocity part of the loop from D Or you can stack two PID loops in HAL. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply,

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread John Thornton
Well the coolant pump is three phase but that is all... The reactor is in between the step up transformer and the infeed module so it looks like this with all things in the brackets inside the machine: Mains Phase Converter [ Step Up Transformer Reactor Infeed Module (Power supply) drives

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 18:35, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: Mains Phase Converter [ Step Up Transformer Reactor Infeed Module (Power supply) drives via DC buss Servos] I think that the reactor is to keep your mains clean, which is probably a job adequately handled by the rotary converter.

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread Mark Cason
On 05/09/2012 11:28 AM, Eric Keller wrote: The embroidery machines are probably the best case given that they are often like CNC machines. My mother has a large number of industrial sewing machines which have been converted to single phase. Most of them seem to have originally used 3

Re: [Emc-users] Setting EPP Mode

2012-05-09 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On May 9, 2012, at 3:56 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 9 May 2012 07:37, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: OK! Now I will start testing it. Anyone have an idea what to look for? In other words what would cause LinuxCNC to crash from the USC? It isn't crashing, I suspect, so muchas

Re: [Emc-users] Setting EPP Mode

2012-05-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 May 2012 22:58, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: Aha! There is no port number specified. I added the port and it loads fine now, thank you! I wonder if the original card also works fine with the port address put in? -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth

Re: [Emc-users] Setting EPP Mode

2012-05-09 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On May 9, 2012, at 4:10 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 9 May 2012 22:58, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: Aha! There is no port number specified. I added the port and it loads fine now, thank you! I wonder if the original card also works fine with the port address put in? I would guess

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-09 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, May 09, 2012 08:44:59 PM John Thornton did opine: I'm wired out there but I don't get the mail feed there... John Chuckle, actually it is the same here John. I need to setup an imap server so I can use any machine on my network, but haven't managed to find a proper round

[Emc-users] Raspberry pi integration?

2012-05-09 Thread Scott Hasse
I presume many of you have seen the hype on the Raspberry Pi. Am I correct in thinking that getting LinuxCNC to run on one of those would require an arm-specific RTAI and drivers for the device-specific I/O? Has anyone else given any thought to this potentially disruptive platform in the context

Re: [Emc-users] Setting EPP Mode

2012-05-09 Thread Jon Elson
Jeshua Lacock wrote: On May 8, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Jon Elson wrote: How do you know it did not go to EPP mode? I guess I don't know for sure. Your 'univstepdiag' program gives me a 'Segmentation fault' error and the output from dmesg after attempting to start LinuxCNC is:

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry pi integration?

2012-05-09 Thread Jack Coats
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Scott Hasse scott.ha...@gmail.com wrote: I presume many of you have seen the hype on the Raspberry Pi.  Am I correct in thinking that getting LinuxCNC to run on one of those would require an arm-specific RTAI and drivers for the device-specific I/O?  Has anyone

Re: [Emc-users] Setting EPP Mode

2012-05-09 Thread Jon Elson
Jeshua Lacock wrote: So, I noticed when linuxcnc fails to launch, it states this in the Kernel message information: PPMC: ERROR: no boards found on bus 0, port 0378. I thought that was curious since I have never specified the port in the linux config files that I knew of. Is there

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry pi integration?

2012-05-09 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/9/2012 8:51 PM, Scott Hasse wrote: I presume many of you have seen the hype on the Raspberry Pi. Am I correct in thinking that getting LinuxCNC to run on one of those would require an arm-specific RTAI and drivers for the device-specific

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread Mark Cason
I took the motor apart to see what the encoder looked like, and I'm assuming that these are hall sensors: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46689581@N03/7168795700/in/set-72157629660267772/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/46689581@N03/7168808298/in/set-72157629660267772/ A few more photo's are

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry pi integration?

2012-05-09 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 5/9/2012 9:51 PM, Scott Hasse wrote: I presume many of you have seen the hype on the Raspberry Pi. Am I correct in thinking that getting LinuxCNC to run on one of those would require an arm-specific RTAI and drivers for the device-specific I/O? Has anyone else given any thought to this

[Emc-users] Why LinuxCNC website is compromised by Google ?

2012-05-09 Thread brown
Hi everyone, Have somebody known why LinuxCNC website is always compromised on Google search? You can find the attachment about this issue. Brown. linuxcnc.png Description: Binary data -- Live

Re: [Emc-users] Joystick Pendant

2012-05-09 Thread Mike Bennett
Touch off buttons working a treat. My only observation is that the tool path in Axis does not update, unless I use reload. Mike On 9 May 2012, at 10:20, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 May 2012 06:36, Mike Bennett mjb1...@gmail.com wrote: For now just linking a button to

Re: [Emc-users] AC Servo Motor

2012-05-09 Thread Greg Bernard
It looks like 3 hall sensors for commutation on the inside and a magnetic encoder chip on the outside if I'm seeing correctly. The chip in the middle of the board is likely the encoder chip and the wheel below it a multipole magnet ring. I'd bet the datasheet for that chip would unlock the