Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

Trying to head off the scalpers. Makes sense from that POV. On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 7:01 PM EV List Lackey via EV wrote: > I've been saying for years that if you buy a Tesla, you don't really own > it. > > It seems that goes double for the Cybertruck. > >

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

Musk proposed a seat of the pants estimate in an interview about how much solar array surface area would produce as much energy as THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. He used the output of average solar equipment at less than optimal output (I forget, maybe it was 15% efficient cells). I did my own seat of

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 3:40 PM 63urban via EV wrote: > Please explain how a flammable gas is not an energy source? Propane, from the gas in a well - capture it, light it, it burns and heat is released. There are tons of calories in oil or natural gas. Hydrogen cracked from the gas and oil

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

I note a couple things about Zeihan's POV: He is talking about global defossilizing. Not mere vehicle electrification. We face the fact that EVs are just a small part of what needs solving. If he is correct, and his business is doing the math, we need to work on things that have a possibility of

[EVDL] EV's not a green success.

I can't evaluate this. But I approve of the broad stroke analysis. He thinks it could take a century to replace ICE with EVs. Among other things. Why EVs Aren't The GreenTech Panacea || Peter Zeihan https://youtu.be/8P95NFlAnmY?si=T460QtOCo9lwqfsz Bottom line for him, we should be spending our

Re: [EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunked

The "moving to Canada" comment was just a crack to get a rise from someone. A light troll. Me: Boy Scout doing conservation work at age 12. Always leave any place you go cleaner than when you arrived. Never litter. Clean up roadsides. Solar on home. Worked testing solar thermal collectors for

Re: [EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunked

not to use - Russia in > particular. There is copper in South America, but mines don't come on line > overnight, more like over a decade. > > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 10:56 PM EV List Lackey via EV > wrote: > >> On 28 Oct 2023 at 18:10, Michael Ross via EV wrote: >

Re: [EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunked

suppliers we prefer not to use - Russia in particular. There is copper in South America, but mines don't come on line overnight, more like over a decade. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 10:56 PM EV List Lackey via EV wrote: > On 28 Oct 2023 at 18:10, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > Euro

Re: [EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunked

Europe and North America not comparable where fossil fuels are concerned. EU has none and we have an unlimited supply. We won't resist cheap energy. Count on it. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 5:10 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: > >

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Wait - what? MORE labor hours?

: > On 17 Oct 2023 at 0:27, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > I am not buying these figures on unknown say so. Sounds like BS. Just > > whose EVs and whose batteries? Which models? > > Here's the original article, with some discussion of methodology. > > https://heat

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Wait - what? MORE labor hours?

I am not buying these figures on unknown say so. Sounds like BS. Just whose EVs and whose batteries? Which models? A thousand unanswered intelligent questions need answering. On the other hand I have not seen anything about the carbon footprint of EV production. That goes both ways too, and is

Re: [EVDL] (EVDL)EV charging is changing

Boy, would I like this to work. I must say that, *on vehicle, solar charging* seems to me a *marketing strategy*, *not a useful design feature*. Here in central NC we get, at very best, 1000 watts per square meter, that is not all day long, maybe 6 hours of peak sun. We don't get that daily by

Re: [EVDL] Why Toyota Isn't Rushing to Sell You an Electric

for 6 billion people without those fertilizers. Ukraine alone is 10% of global calories. On Fri, May 19, 2023, 3:30 PM Lee Hart wrote: > Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > An EV on average requires 5 times as much copper as an ICEV... > > That seems a bit extreme. ICEs are also incr

Re: [EVDL] Why Toyota Isn't Rushing to Sell You an Electric

may have run some numbers like this and decided they can happily make an enormous number of ICE while a tiny fraction of EVs are made. Mike On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 3:30 PM Lee Hart wrote: > Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > An EV on average requires 5 times as much copper a

Re: [EVDL] Why Toyota Isn't Rushing to Sell You an Electric

An EV on average requires 5 times as much copper as an ICEV. Copper production is stuck at that level and only supports the paltry (compared to current ICE production and the global number of ICE) global EV production. It will be more than a decade before copper mining can reach the level needed

Re: [EVDL] Do EVs make green sense?

*"Where do you think these idiots get their information about how much energy it takes to build a car...or the "carbon footprint"? * I know that people do try hard to put this sort of data in order and analyze it. In the case of prominent geographers and demographers they have teams of

Re: [EVDL] Do EVs make green sense?

why I haven’t bothered reading the article. Beware of people with > agendas. > > -Steve > > > On Jan 4, 2023, at 11:36 PM, Michael Ross via EV > wrote: > > > > Zeihan says ICE looks a lot better and leans on the aluminum in the > Tesla > > bodywork. I wonder

Re: [EVDL] Do EVs make green sense?

Zeihan says ICE looks a lot better and leans on the aluminum in the Tesla bodywork. I wonder about this, but don't know how to evaluate it. On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 4:36 PM John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > Just one of the many issues to point out: > > On 1/4/2023 12:29 PM, Michael Ross via

[EVDL] Do EVs make green sense?

That subject is a bit of a troll, but I would like to have some conversation about whether EVs really make green sense or even profitable manufacturing sense. This is a short YouTube video by Peter Zeihan. Entitled EV's Not-so-little Dirty Secret(s) https://youtu.be/Qf85EuQKWeQ or search on

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

Unrelated to EVs, EU and China are demographically and geographically doomed. Especially China. On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 5:17 PM EV List Lackey via EV wrote: > On 19 Dec 2022 at 20:44, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > > If Elon hadn't started the EV mass production revolution, some one else > >

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

The commercial success of iMIEV versus Tesla is demonstrative that Tesla's was much better route to jump starting the paradigm. Why are you so bothered that someone makes a lot of money? It takes people who can raise and spend well to make the first world we all enjoy so much. I do like the

Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

My best friend had a Bugeyed Sprite, It had a 900cc engine and a friend of ours could pick up the rear end of it while you swapped tires. It had nothing much that is required for a road worthy car today. It was basically a go cart with a bigger engine, wipers and a few tiny lights. You could not

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

"Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies." As a manufacturing, and electromrchanical product design engineer for 3 decades I am calling troll bullshit jealousy on part A of this quote. EM is a fine engineer in many disciplines. Mechanical, software, aerospace, rocket engine

Re: [EVDL] Battery breakthrough?

Linden's Handbook of Batteries https://a.co/d/9gKbVbn That will give you an idea about the depth of past and near current battery development. This is important, and scads of work is done on it. But, you have to dive into the scientific literature. Lots of papers are out there in the field of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla can't see kids?

As Musk likes to say, "the possibility of success exists." I imagine FSD can be many times safer than human drivers. But, for some reason we will always be harsher in our view of machine mistakes than our own. If FSD was 10 times less likely to cause a fatality in all situations (could be that

Re: [EVDL] no more "iced" chargers ?

It is pretty easy to do the math here, simple arithmetic. The sun shines maybe 1100W/meter ^2, that is the peak. Current efficiency of solar PV is no more than 20%. So 220W/m^2. One square meter will get you 1kWhour in a little less than 5 hours. You might get 6 peak hours on a really sunny day,

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

I am speculating, but I do live in central NC and have 5.6KW on my roof since 2013. Duke Power wants to get rid of all the promotional stuff for solar power here. I have been on net metering 1:1 getting paid the same as I pay. They are trying to end that. Some years ago they proposed paying us

Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

I spent 7 years designing sensors and actuators for the aftermarket business of Standard Motor Products. A successful manufacturing and reselling auto part supplier since the 1920's. Still going strong, aggregating the demand for lower volume parts to supply your local auto parts store. There is

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Ukraine war and nickel

I suppose this explains a lot about why Tesla (and Straubel) are leaning hard towards LiFePO. Nickel and manganese, etc., are a problem? Don't use them. On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 10:45 AM Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Agreed. The battery is heavy enough itself and, coupled with an > oversized

Re: [EVDL] X-Bus

Very interesting. For what countries is it to be homologated? On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 2:27 PM paul dove via EV wrote: > The electric XBUS is the cutest thing youll see today > https://electricbrands.de/en/myxbus/ > > > > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was

Re: [EVDL] Self Driving Mode, was Tesla's Sneaky Rolling

Human vision has to assemble an image mostly from memory. The contemporaneous data is overwritten on the remembered image to update and define motion for the cortex. The optic nerve only sends changes in an image. It is a differentiator not a frame writer. This is why we can see a rope as a snake

Re: [EVDL] Tesla’s Sneaky Rolling Stops

r if there is a computer glitch. > > "The world is an imperfect place. Screws fall out." (Quote from > "The Breakfast Club.") > > Bill D. > > On 2/5/2022 11:08 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > Mark, Can you show me where this anecdotal information mi

Re: [EVDL] Tesla’s Sneaky Rolling Stops

Mark, Can you show me where this anecdotal information might be gathered as factual data? I have become very wary of information that is not attributed to some source that I can trust. No offence intended. On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 4:38 PM Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > Tesla should just drop the

Re: [EVDL] tesla's sneaky rolling stops

It is obvious if you give any thought that laws do not constrain a car to the safest paths. For example, woud you expect a driver or an automobile *not *to cross a double yellow line to avoid something in the road or an incorrectly driven oncoming vehicle? I don't see why rolling stops are a

Re: [EVDL] Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas — and results were misleading Yahoo

That is prejudicial nonsense. On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 8:40 PM EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > On 24 Oct 2021 at 22:27, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > > Mr. Anderson and his company have 20 years-experience of consulting > > with the auto industry and have been providing accurate data over

Re: [EVDL] Tesla Launches Entry Model 3 with Newer LFP Battery Tech in the U.S. - TeslaNorth.com

This is far more about stationary storage where range is not a concern and temperature management is far easier to maintain. LFP have always been a useful option in stationary applications. I suspect good work has been done to improve the additives in electrolyte solutions. On Thu, Oct 21, 2021

Re: [EVDL] Tesla Launches Entry Model 3 with Newer LFP Battery Tech in the U.S. - TeslaNorth.com

No, they will be a lot better. The ones we got on the open market were crappy. Tesla can't afford crappy batteries that can't take even moderately high temperatures. They can't have such a low energy density and low power density. If they are doing LFP it is because they made significant

Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the

In today's local paper is an article about FlexGen in Durham NC, they're raised $150M. They build "software that helps grids manage energy storage." Doesn't sound exactly like market and also not hardware management software. " FlexGen's energy storage solutions bridge the gap of reliability for

Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the

Batteries on a large scale fall behind H2 storage if you have big enough tanks, and if you correctly factor in the costs of batteries and tanks. Where the lines cross is an open question. I live 10 miles from a big gas depot in Selma NC. They hold lot and are very simple, big inverted buckets

Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the

"that the grid can't handle" is just another example of market distortion. It is a choice of the market, not to say "the grid can't handle so much generation of non-RE." There is a lag in response of the market when you build a gas plant or a nuke that can't be turned down when the cost leans

Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the

There is going to ba a point above which recycling batteries into new ones has a better payback than using them for storage. And, above which H2 and other less material intensive tech will be better storage. Tech will advance On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:43 PM Ed Blackmond via EV wrote: > > > > On

Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the

If you take a longer view, SoCal has an excess of non-RE power that needs to be shipped pretty far away. If climate change remediation is going to really happen we need to fill the status quo. The consumers will pay one way or another, with increasingly poor climate outcomes, and all the cost

Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the

31 Aug 2021 at 21:55, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > My first guess is CA has distorted the market with subsidies, etc. It is > > likely a pendulum swing, the asking price will have to come down. Supply > > greater than demand. Some one is going to get some electrons b

Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the

We have a nation wide grid and a market for power. Storage is less of a problem than cost. CA may not be selling at a price people are buying. It's also hard to raise level of pump storage when the water gets used for ag. My first guess is CA has distorted the market with subsidies, etc. It is

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

t; > > On Aug 15, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV > wrote: > > > > But then there is still the 30% loss in inefficiency in all the heat > loss in > > compressing the hydrogen into tanks. (and hoping it wont explode). > > Bob > > > >>

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

I see that my previous idea was all about ICE, not fuel cells. I know nothing about FC efficiency, Lot's a prognostication about how this will turn out. It seems that some production methods of hydrogen might be very efficient, like up to 98% if you can believe it. The fuel cell efficiency is a

Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all

From the WIKI: "Considering the industrial production of hydrogen, and using current best processes for water electrolysis (PEM or alkaline electrolysis) which have an effective electrical efficiency of 70–80%" I actually thought 70% was as good as it gets, but they think in another 10 years it

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > >> On 24 Jul 2021 at 21:04, Michael Ross via EV wrote: >> >> > The worst thing you can do to LiFPO is to charge it fully, and let it >> sit >> > around, especially in a hot location. >> >> Isn't that the case for

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

For LiFePO, a parasitic load might be protective. It's that full charge that is destructive. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 11:40 PM EVDL Administrator via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 24 Jul 2021 at 21:04, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > The worst thing you can do to

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 24 Jul 2021 at 21:04, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > The worst thing you can do to LiFPO is to charge it fully, and let it sit > > around, especially in a hot location. > > Isn't that the case for lithium batteries of any chemistry? I'm not a

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

The worst thing you can do to LiFPO is to charge it fully, and let it sit around, especially in a hot location. For long term storage, I would guess the best thing is maybe 50% SOC, and keep it as cool as you can without actually refrigerating it (though I don't know if that is a bad thing). You

Re: [EVDL] Bloated Trucks/Suvs (one isn't)

The cyber truck has the same silhouette as an F150. It looks bigger but Its not. F150s don't usually get descriptions like, can't park in the city, behemoth, and so on. I do understand that size truck is mostly over what is needed. I use a Scion xB with no rear seats for every thing. I have hauled

Re: [EVDL] 'All's not well with UK public charging' / Autonomy

The gravitational energy you put into a vehicle climbing a hill, comes back to you on the downhill side. The effect of weight is often overestimated for this reason. Battery power is very efficient, in terms of how much you put in, is close to what you get out, unlike with fossil fuels which are

Re: [EVDL] TMC's Toyoda swipes@ Tesla> (we make real food)

If Toyota or another company does well it will be because they make a car that competes well. That is what Musk has wanted all along. This is not a zero sum game, and it will take 10 years or more to make a dent in the ICE population. Toyota needs to say this because they have been dense,

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18

I thought Solarcities had US factories. And Sunpower. I haven't kept up so I could be spinning old news. On Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 7:17 PM Offgrid Systems via EV wrote: > "I couldn't name a single U.S producer of PV > > modules, and the BOS equipment is mostly assembled in China as well." > > Only

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fluoride-ion cell packs bigger punch than lithium-ion

I think Toyota is seriously stodgy, but it is not stupid to go with a proven winner. They have a selling point about range and availability of refueling options, for now at least. They are choosing to follow cultural norms that are passing, but not past. It is probably good business, or at least

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

I always thought they took the buffer from both the high and low ends of SOC%. You don't want to totally deplete or charge a pack to get the longest life from it. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 10:43 PM Bobby Keeland via EV wrote: > It is interesting. I never thought about whether Tesla took the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

The positive electrode becomes very reactive at near fully charged and this damages the electrolyte. As mentioned charging the last bit is a slow process. So Tesla limits the charging to extend battery life and to make charging to "100%" faster. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 5:23 PM Peter VanDerWal via

Re: [EVDL] Confused L.Vegas-NV Tesla driver fillup-frustrated @petrol-pump (v)

It doesn't look staged, it looks like the guy is clueless. My guess is he rented it. On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 10:06 PM EVDL Administrator via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > Ha ha, isn't that hilarious? Guy buys a Tesla without knowing it's an EV. > > I haven't seen it - I don't do Fakebook -

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

Well said, Dave. I will hang onto my '89 Toyota pickup with those awesome crank windows and new fangled electronic ignition, no AC. It is 30 years old now and in NC I don't even have to get it inspected for safety anymore. (Isn't that strange?) It is hard for cars with lots of little motors and

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

Yes, I can't justify $40k for a car. That is just crazy to me. I am driving Scion xB with 250k+ miles on it that I paid $11.9k for with 9K miles on it. That is the kind of value I need for me to retire and be financially secure. Taking a loan out for $40k is not going to happen. On Thu, Jul 9,

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

this was true for LiFePO. Worst thing you could do was charge fully and let the pack get moderately warm/hot. Maybe they have better electrolytes now. On Thu, Jul 9, 2020, 2:19 AM EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > On 8 Jul 2020 at 23:39, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > Used to be, I am

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

Used to be, I am out of touch, that less than 100°F and 100% SOC was a recipe for significant battery degradation. Not say they haven't solved this, but 5 year old cells would not be very good in this respect. On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:06 PM Bill Dube via EV wrote: > I don't think that LiFePO4

Re: [EVDL] OT: My E- mower power supply died, help?

best > by far. It’s a Greenworks 40V power-assisted. > > > > > > - Mark > > > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > > > >> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Michael Ross via EV > wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> I h

[EVDL] OT: My E- mower power supply died, help?

Hi all, I have been using a nice programmable AMREL 80V PS for years now to charge my old Black and Decker 24V mower. The PS not working and I would like to get something newer and appropriately priced for the application. Can any of you recommend a good 24V lead acid charger? Or perhaps tell me

Re: [EVDL] 9 professional cyclists provide tiny charge2 Tesla-X EV (v)

Jeez what waste of time. A little arithmetic yields the same answer. Most of us can produce about 125 watts with our leg muscles for continuously for an hour. I have heard that the inglorious Lance Armstrong could maintain 750 watt (a horsepower)for a while. It is probably generous to say those

Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum

The occurrence of OSHA violations is very dependent on the state of the occurrences. In North Carolina we have about 10 million people, 100 counties, and 11 inspectors. You are pretty certain never to see an inspector here unless someone dies on the job. On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:10 AM Mark

Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum

powered iPhone > > > On May 10, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >  > > > >> On 5/10/20 11:38 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > >> It is a classically human response to be continually biased, and not > taking > >> in new information,

Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum

it. You clearly don't like Musk, but he is capable of more than you believe. I believe. On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 11:51 AM EVDL Administrator via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 10 May 2020 at 9:36, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > I am betting his approach is to

Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum

ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 10 May 2020 at 9:36, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > I am betting his approach is to try to forge ahead and at the same time > > try to make it safe for his employees. > > You may know something that I don't, but that's not a bet I'd mak

Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum

I promise this is not OT. Though What Musk does with his businesses could be considered such. As an at risk, well educated, and following the science closely person I get it that we need to be very strict to reduce sickness and death from the novel coronavirus. This is a very tricky one since

Re: [EVDL] Are these A123 batteries a wise purchase?

at 3:11 PM Lee Hart via EV wrote: > Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > 1C huh? That is not stressful at all and only a truly sh#t cell would > > have much trouble with that. > > Ah, but that is heavily dependent on the kind of cell you are testing. > There are many types of c

Re: [EVDL] Are these A123 batteries a wise purchase?

Hi Bill, Thanks for the commnet. I have no connection with testing the last 5 years so I was wondering. You probably have more reason to care about this than almost anyone. 1C huh? That is not stressful at all and only are truly sh#t cell would have much trouble with that. Isn't it lovely that

Re: [EVDL] Are these A123 batteries a wise purchase?

> The issue becomes entangled with calendar life. Calendar life is a steep > function of temperature. Exponential, actually. > > Bill D. > > On 4/17/2020 9:09 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > Then you run up against an insignificant sample size. Can you get specs > an

Re: [EVDL] Are these A123 batteries a wise purchase?

know how much faster it will degrade at 50 amps. > > 75% in 800, 500, 200 cycles, etc. > > I would buy one and test it first. > > On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 1:54:04 PM CDT, Michael Ross via EV < > ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > > It is important to figure out what th

Re: [EVDL] Are these A123 batteries a wise purchase?

It is important to figure out what the #cycles means to you personally. 1000 cycles is a lot even daily - for some people. On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 2:39 PM paul dove via EV wrote: > Cycle Life (retaining 70% capacity) at 20A Discharge, 100% DOD: >1,000 > cycles > > This tells me you don’t want

Re: [EVDL] .tw Tesla-3 crashes, over-turns (v)

Mmm, good idea with the water. On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:54 AM evln via EV wrote: > > > https://taiwanenglishnews.com/tesla-catches-fire-after-crash-driver-dies/ > Tesla catches fire after crash: driver dies > April 3, 2020 A Tesla Model 3 caught fire after hitting a traffic island > and

Re: [EVDL] Deaf Scooter and Palmdale Sheriff Coal Rolled. Consequences!

That rumor could go viral and I would like it. On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:46 PM Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Sounds doubtful. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a law that would > apply. But a $25K fine, vehicle crushed, license suspended sound highly > exaggerated. > > Peri > > -- Original

Re: [EVDL] Cheapest off grid storage but can it be used to make electricity.

It is an inspired and compulsive goal to be off grid. He is not accounting for labor and the enormous complication to his home. He is not accounting for the far greater value of his time. What he is doing to his house will never be appreciated when he tries to sell it and move, so he is anchored

Re: [EVDL] dink GM hummer as pu e-truck = ( :dumb: ... ?vaporware?)

Typo in the last sentence. Should have read: "Could it someday become a symbol of a new, more sustainable erection?" On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 9:38 PM brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > (?vaporware? as -GM pr- , automakers @their wasteful-worst) > >

Re: [EVDL] EVangel-About: ?Do I really want to be a Cyberpunk?

The CyberPickup might actually be very functional. Not easy to tell because it is visually incomparable. There are a lot of opportunities for the truck that electrification will open up. Torque will be enormous. It will be batshit crazy fast compared to contemporary PUs. It will have all the

Re: [EVDL] li ion battery in cold weather

I am late to this discussion and have little to add, but this called me to comment: "I did a bit of research. Some authors talk about "intercalation", which happens below freezing. Intercalation is when the anode becomes plated with lithium ions instead of the ions being absorbed into the anode."

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Mazda Does Not Believe In Large-kWh EV packs (v)

Well Mazda does make good Wankels and if you run them in their sweet spot they get quite good mpg. Wankels can be tiny and make lots of high speed RPMs, no vibration at all. Maybe they are a good option for a hybrid where it is really running on electrons out the wheels. It is a hybrid then a

Re: [EVDL] ] *8/30-31 only: BuyNow $1.7k priced, Elf enclosed_e-trike SF-CA> needs battery

I own one and I have walked the hills in San Fran, you are not going to like it there. You will bust a gut trying to go up, and wish it was a car trying to slow and stop going down. I speak from experience as a long time cyclist and one who commuted 25 miles each way on an ELF. You had better be

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

Musk simply broke the rules when he falsely claimed to have a buyer. The SEC doesn't have to be in some conspiracy to react very strongly to that kind of public commentary. When he said that the stock price went haywire and some people lost money reacting to it. The SEC exists at least in part to

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

. Glad its not me. On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 12:18 PM EVDL Administrator via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 18 Aug 2019 at 9:45, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > Diversification of politics. No question about acting up on Chinese > > internet, can't do it. > > Yeah,

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

I see the naming slipping - Gigafactory in Nevada means a battery plant. In Shanghai it is an automobile manufacturing facility. Yes, Telsa is very sharp working in China, as long as they don't get nationalized. Musk is true to his word wanting to keep EVs rolling along. He will go all in as many

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

"It also didn't hurt that Tesla had a billionaire EV enthusiast behind them." There's an understatement. Nothing was going to happen without Musk and Straubel. And there was no billionair-ness when they started. Despite the unlikeliness of success that still surrounds it, the most important part

Re: [EVDL] Farm EVs & PV-powered auton e-bot planter, weeder swarms> ag e-transition= e-revolution

Bob, You are right that is a very interesting article.Thanks for bumping it up in my mind. http://www.impactlab.net/2019/08/03/electric-powered-farm-vehicles-set-to-revolutionise-agriculture-sector/ On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 8:23 PM Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > When I actually looked at the

Re: [EVDL] Farm EVs & PV-powered auton e-bot planter, weeder swarms> ag e-transition= e-revolution

Nothing about EVs is all that economical - today. The tech is new. The EV economies of scale are a fraction of what exists - today. The Infrastructure to provide large scale, stationary or mobile charging is not there - today. To be sure the battery weight issue is easier to to solve with a lot of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Farm EVs & PV-powered auton e-bot planter, weeder swarms> ag e-transition= e-revolution

We already do battery swaps with fork lifts - like forever. Tesla demo'd a swap that was the same time as half a tank fill up on a car. Seems like the day long use is surmountable. Virus-free.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla drops cheapest models prices (v)

Dave, You seem to have a strong urge to rag on Tesla and Musk whenever you can. That seems unwarranted. They have done a lot in an incredibly difficult industrial environment, working at something no one believed possible, and actually have a lot of success, though they may yet fail. We will all

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV? (DC AC/heatpumps and waterheating)

There was a time when solar thermal and its 70% efficiency made sense, because PV cost too much. But that time has passed. I think that PV is now better than solar thermal. There are a lot of hidden costs and difficulties putting a thermal collector on one's roof. There is a bunch of piping that

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV?

Duke is not going to stop residential power generation, just discourage it. it would be a PR nightmare for them here. The cost of power is quite low at $0.11 per kWh. They do have a base connection service cost that I pay even if I break even on the give and take, it is about 200kWh x $0.11 =

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV? (transformers)

I see maybe one long duration outage (half a day?) a year that requires tending to the refrigerator. It never lasts too long, minutes not days. Not enough to fund a generator. If you ever go camping it is easier than that. Lots of generators get sold around here (hurricanes are intermittent

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV? (transformers)

have some 500W > and > > >2500W 120 VAC to 240VAC transformers. Great for stepping up a single > > phase > > >120v generator to 240 VAC for a well pump or other emergency power > needs. > > > > > > > > > https://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/d/gle

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV?

I get all that because I have panels and a net metering plan with Duke Power. As I said it depends on whether your utility supports what you want to do. Clearly, YMMV. I personally could do exactly as I described. If I had an EV that needed charging regularly, I could put up a ground based array

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV?

It seems like I am being misunderstood. You can buy solar arrays each with its own MPP and inverter to produce 120VAC. You can buy one and add more over time with out consideration of string balancing and such. You can tie them to the grid, and if your rate plan us good then you will be

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV?

; <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 7:15 PM Robert Bruninga wrote: > Microinverters will not work without a grid > bob > > -Original Message- > From: EV On Behalf Of Michael Ross via EV > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 6:57 PM > To:

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV?

Micro-inverters. Yes, grid tie is best. And most economical and completely normal. That is true for residential solar generally, most homes will benefit from grid tie. So no problem. On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 7:21 PM jim via EV wrote: > Microinverters that are currentlly available require grid

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