Re: [foar] 18% of (certain) scientists (still) support MWI as of 2011

2013-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2013, at 21:49, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2013 12:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Bruno, What is meant by the informational interpretations? Is that something like the one Ron Garrett presented? It's the view most advocated by Asher and Fuchs, that the WF is just an encoding of

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

2013-01-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
It's a fascinating idea. Groups selection seems to be a controversial issue with biologists, but it makes sense to me that evolution could work at the colony level, the same way it does for social insects. Even more easily, because bacteria reproduce asexually. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:55 PM,

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark, Other than Luther's ancient views on astronomy, and only with regard to salvation or damnation, as a modern Lutheran I agree with everything Luther said, although I might temper down his invective, which was intended for the Pope. In that spirit, everything Luther said was correct

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona Luther wasn't a rationalist, and so contributed nothing to modern science. - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-24, 13:26:59 Subject: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality 2013/1/24 meekerdb

Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Separated, yes. But accesible to all IMHO. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-24, 15:07:59 Subject: Re: Is there an aether ? On 24 Jan 2013, at 09:48, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal and all--

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark If you want to learn about science, study Darwin, etc. If you want to learn about God, read the Bible. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-24, 11:17:30 Subject: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi Roger: Luther contributed indirectly to modern science by adopting the Duns Scoto and the Occam rejection of universals. The Lutheran mindset was more concentrated in the study of particular phisical things and rejected speculation This gave the modern meaning of the world science. (I will

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

2013-01-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi Telmo. Group selection It is no longer controversial. Naive group selection do not work, but selection between groups where internal deletereous behaviours are repressed to a certan level (but never eliminated) does work. The theory is called multilevel selection. where selection operates at

Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stathis Papaioannou I think right-to-lifers are those with some moral or religious foundation http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30771408/ns/us_news-life/t/majority-americans-now-pro-life-poll-says/#.UQKkI2cUBlM - Receiving the following content - From: Stathis Papaioannou Receiver:

meditation

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
I think that meditation is a way of cutting out the links of consciousness to the noise of the brain, suggesting that Cs is not a product of the brain, rather the reverse. It lets us experience Cs as it really is, cosmic, free of the brain. -- You received this message because you are

What I learned from meditation

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
I did transcendental meditation for years. I learned two things: 1. That pure Cs is sweet, one gets to a sweet spot after a few minutes. 2. That the deeper you go, the faster time seems to fly by. When you get very deep, there is no time, the meditation occurs in an instant. - Have

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: how do you define the word religion? re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn] 1* n.* A theological fungus that thrives best in the dark and when fed by bullshit. 2 Believing what you know ain't so. 3 The boast of the man who is too lazy to

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

2013-01-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Alberto, On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Telmo. Group selection It is no longer controversial. Naive group selection do not work, but selection between groups where internal deletereous behaviours are repressed to a certan level (but never

Re: What I learned from meditation

2013-01-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, Where did you learn to do TM? On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: I did transcendental meditation for years. I learned two things: 1. That pure Cs is sweet, one gets to a sweet spot after a few minutes. 2. That the deeper you go, the faster

Re: meditation

2013-01-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Telmo, On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi all, I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of oneness with the universe, non separation, etc. Meditation is a process of

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Other than Luther's ancient views on astronomy, How about Luther's views on geology? How about his view that the Earth was less than six thousand years old, do you agree with that? as a modern Lutheran Which apparently is

Generalized Löb's Theorem

2013-01-25 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Bruno, Have you seen this? What implications does it have? http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1301/1301.5340.pdf -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark No, I let science be science and religion be religion. Different languages, different meanings. You're confusing the two. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-25, 11:29:01 Subject: Re: Re: Martin Luther on

Re: Re: What I learned from meditation

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes From a local TM group. It really works, but now that I've gone back to Christianity I no longer use it. - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-25, 11:12:18 Subject: Re: What I learned from meditation Hi

centering prayer

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes There is also something called centering prayer, which Christians such as I can do and have done at least once. It was helpful to do it in the prayer chamber of the National Cathedral. There are various techniques of doing it. But the general idea is to focus on God or Jesus

Re: Re: What I learned from meditation

2013-01-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
Thanks Roger. I've been intrigued for a while, partly because David Lynch promotes it. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes From a local TM group. It really works, but now that I've gone back to Christianity I no longer use it.

Re: [foar] 18% of (certain) scientists (still) support MWI as of 2011

2013-01-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 25, 2013 6:44:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jan 2013, at 21:49, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2013 12:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Bruno, What is meant by the informational interpretations? Is that something like the one Ron Garrett presented? It's the view

Re: centering prayer

2013-01-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, It's not going to work, but it's very nice of you to try to save me since you believe in it. My in-laws do the same :) On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes There is also something called centering prayer, which Christians such

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:46:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 8:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: I don't know that not being able to talk to others about your (non) religious beliefs would be cause for suicide though. Not a cause, just the absence of a little prevention.

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: the Bible provided western man with a completely new, revolutionary view of existence New?! The Bible is just a rehash of other Bronze age myths that it plagiarized from older religions. The Persian God Mithra, popular in 600 BC,

Re: Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 25, 2013 1:59:53 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi John Clark That's all made-up stuff put on the web by people such as you. Not by the worldwide liberal conspiracy? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2013, at 22:03, Jason Resch wrote: John, I agree with Craig. The concept of divine simplicity exists in several religions ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_simplicity ). The book by O'Meara on Plotinus makes clear the idea that Plotinus want the ONE to be simple. The ONE

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2013, at 22:19, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Craig. The concept of divine simplicity exists in several religions And in those religions how did a simpleton God make life? Darwin provided the

Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2013, at 22:41, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: WHAT 'evidences'??? I don't see what you are talking about. The word evidences does not appear in the quote. we have no way to judge them. We can bet on relations between them. We either accept the (belief-based) figment as

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:16:02 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jan 2013, at 22:03, Jason Resch wrote: John, I agree with Craig. The concept of divine simplicity exists in several religions ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_simplicity ). Little numbers can develop

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2013, at 17:33, Richard Ruquist wrote: This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s. After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was dispensed with, and centuries of scientific progress were deemed sufficient for Islam for all time. And so it seems that Islam went from

Re: meditation

2013-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2013, at 17:50, Richard Ruquist wrote: I once had the experience of oneness with the universe. As an almost teenager one winter I was sliding in an apple orchard 1/2 mile from home. It was so much fun that even after nightfall and everybody else going home, I continued sliding down

Re: Robot reading vs human reading

2013-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2013, at 18:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:50:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Jan 2013, at 16:49, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:31:18 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jan 2013, at 21:34, Craig Weinberg

Re: Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: the ancient jews in the BC era knew nothing Not far from the truth. of the ancient myths, If they knew anything at all it was useless crap like that. “There is little notice of the Persian god [Mithra] in the Roman world

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread meekerdb
On 1/25/2013 4:14 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi John Clark, Other than Luther's ancient views on astronomy, and only with regard to salvation or damnation, as a modern Lutheran I agree with everything Luther said, although I might temper down his invective, which was intended for the Pope. In that

Re: meditation

2013-01-25 Thread meekerdb
On 1/25/2013 8:22 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Even the idea that we are unconscious during deep sleep does not convince me. We could be conscious but without read/write access to our memories, so how would we know afterwords? But maybe we are experiencing the same level of consciousness as a

on abortion

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Abortion should eventually be self-limiting, because it improves the gene pool. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email

Re: Robot reading vs human reading

2013-01-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 25, 2013 3:45:35 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jan 2013, at 18:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:50:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Jan 2013, at 16:49, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:31:18 AM UTC-5,

Re: on abortion

2013-01-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 25, 2013 7:09:12 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Abortion should eventually be self-limiting, because it improves the gene pool. Only if you assume that the events of people's lives are hereditary. Only bad people have sex or get raped I guess. Only people who deserve to

Hyperloop

2013-01-25 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Search on this list turned up no results and I don't usually pick up this sort of thing so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop If anybody could offer juicier links without the media speculation, I'd be interested in the tech. PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: Hyperloop

2013-01-25 Thread Jason Resch
Very interesting. It sounds almost too good to be true. I can't imagine what it might be based on. For me, the most surpurising thing he says is that it could be solar powered but does not use a vacuum. Jason On Jan 25, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com

Re: Hyperloop

2013-01-25 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/25/2013 9:54 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Search on this list turned up no results and I don't usually pick up this sort of thing so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop If anybody could offer juicier links without the media speculation, I'd be interested in the tech. PGC

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: With faith you have any belief you want. Brent ³We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical