Re: Re: [FOM] From theorems of infinity to axioms of infinity

2013-03-21 Thread Joseph Knight
It's a good discussion. In fact I've been independently thinking about the matter of Dedekind's original argument as it's discussed in Webb's book Mechanism, Mentalism, and Metamathematics (a book Bruno has referred to multiple times on this list). Does anyone know of other attempts to prove

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-21 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: How could something non-living lead to something living? Non-living and living are just different qualities of experience. Living systems are nested non-living systems, which gives rise to mortality and condenses

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.03.2013 22:59 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 1:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... At the Occam's time, realists were people who have believed that universals exist. Occam has

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following: ... Presumably his positions

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.03.2013 22:06 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:51 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: ... Are you a follower of La Rouche? I do not see such opposition between Plato and Aristotle . Aristotle believed in essences and ideas and in the the inner sense of what is right,

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 3:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.03.2013 12:20 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/21/2013 3:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 7:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.03.2013 12:20 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/21/2013 3:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.03.2013 12:44 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/21/2013 7:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.03.2013 12:20 Stephen P. King said the following: ... How do we forget what we cannot even know that we know? As far as I know, that's the main Sartre's point. You just start with

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:42:38 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: At least you now agree that the atoms in my body could be replaced and I would feel the same. What if the atoms were replaced by a

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Mar 2013, at 17:34, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Mar 2013, at 16:52, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Russell Standish

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:44:16 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: How could something non-living lead to something living? Non-living and living are just different qualities of experience. Living

Synchronicity in Leibniz, Jung and Sheldrake

2013-03-21 Thread Roger Clough
Leibnizian causation differs from most other forms of causation in that no forces are involved, only ideas, although from any objective viewpoint it might seem as if the usual types of forces cause the event. This makes sense if the resultant situation is a meaningful one because generated by

Re: G.K. Chesterton on Materialism

2013-03-21 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 Tom Bayley tjp.bay...@gmail.com wrote: I think explanations are important to prove causation ;-) and it's interesting that you can break this example down. Each explanatory step is materially plausible (it has a satisfactory public explanation), right up to the

Re: G.K. Chesterton on Materialism

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:42:02 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 Tom Bayley tjp.b...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I think explanations are important to prove causation ;-) and it's interesting that you can break this example down. Each explanatory step is

Re: Synchronicity in Leibniz, Jung and Sheldrake

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:42:34 AM UTC-4, Roger Clough wrote: Leibnizian causation differs from most other forms of causation in that no forces are involved, only ideas, although from any objective viewpoint it might seem as if the usual types of forces cause the event. This makes

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:51, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/3/20 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 19 Mar 2013, at 22:25, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Since I´m more in the side of Aquinas/Aristotle -or even Plato sometimes- ? I see Plato and Aristotle as the most opposite view we can have on

Re: (Not so) Free Will

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 20:16, John Mikes wrote: 3-19-13 John M wrote: --- ...I am not faithful enough to believe in MY free will and go to hell by force of this misconception. I may make mistakes. I am not deterministically forced to comply with all facets of the

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 20:18, meekerdb wrote: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following: Since I´m more in the side of Aquinas/Aristotle -or even Plato sometimes- I don not share the Occam views.Occam was a nominalist, that is rejected

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 21:01, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following: ... I see a bit of irony in the fact that people who believe in physical reality often

Re: A philosopher making the Duplication argument

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 21:08, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/20/2013 6:43 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/What-is-the-Nature-of-Personal-Identity-Peter-van-Inwagen-/176 He

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex as a whole. The brain is a non-stop, always-active system. When we perceive something, the information does not end up in a

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:28:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex *as a whole*. The brain is a non-stop, always-active

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread meekerdb
On 3/21/2013 12:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 22:59 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 1:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... At the Occam's time, realists were people who have

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-21 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, it is so fascinating to read about universal machines. Is there a place where I could learn in short, understandable terms what they may be? Then again the difference between a 'Turing machine' and a 'physical computer' (what I usually call our embryonic Kraxlwerk). I grew up into my

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-21 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 01:46:11PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But still, I tend to bet that creativity, if he can exploit it, is still independent of it. I still find it hard to grasp how we could have a creative

Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMXqyf13HeM DEAN RADIN: Men Who Stare at Photons, Part 1 | EU 2013 Skip to the last 10 minutes for the brain evidence if you like. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 4:40 PM, John Mikes wrote: Dear Bruno, it is so fascinating to read about universal machines. Is there a place where I could learn in short, understandable terms what they may be? Then again the difference between a 'Turing machine' and a 'physical computer' (what I usually call

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 6:04 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 01:46:11PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But still, I tend to bet that creativity, if he can exploit it, is still independent of it. I still find it

Chalmers - Consciousness: The Logical Geography of the Issues

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
The argument for my view is an inference from roughly four premises: (1) Conscious experience exists. (2) Conscious experience is not logically supervenient on the physical. (3) If there are positive facts that are not logically supervenient on the physical facts, then physicalism is

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-21 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: To recap then, the difference between non-living and living is only visible to the living. Biological units are vastly larger and slower, more vulnerable in a thousand ways than molecular units, but they are a sign

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:06:51 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: To recap then, the difference between non-living and living is only visible to the living. Biological units are vastly larger and

Re: G.K. Chesterton on Materialism

2013-03-21 Thread meekerdb
On 3/19/2013 11:24 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 19:17 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:38:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Intimate relation is not causality. The