Hmm. How about I think, therefore there is thought - I perceive,
therefore there is perception - and so on? Isn't the subject a (possibly
awarranted) assumption?
On 21 November 2013 19:24, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Leibniz: I think, therefore there is an I
The true meaning of
Oops. I meant unwarranted of course :)
On 21 November 2013 21:09, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm. How about I think, therefore there is thought - I perceive,
therefore there is perception - and so on? Isn't the subject a (possibly
awarranted) assumption?
On 21 November 2013 19:24,
On 21 November 2013 20:55, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
My point is that you used a bad comparison. There is no reasonable
comparison between the King of England at the time and wizards and
drgaons,
It was a joke...
Right, gotcha. I won't ask you to explain why it was
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:22 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 November 2013 20:55, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
My point is that you used a bad comparison. There is no reasonable
comparison between the King of England at the time and wizards and
drgaons,
It was a
OK, fair enough. I wouldn't have said anything more if you'd said it was a
joke after I made my first comment, but since you gave an explanation, I
assumed you were serious. I mean, obviously it was a flippant comparison
but I thought there was a serious intention behind it, which I didn't think
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:57, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
To say that F = m . a or e= m c2 as truth it is necessary to
accept certain beliefs. Belief that at the next moment the laws will
not change for example.
e=mc^2 is an interesting theory (belief), or an interesting theorem in
an
On 21 Nov 2013, at 03:54, Chris de Morsella wrote:
We legalized Cannabis in the state of Washington
Yes, I know, and I congratulate your for that. You show the path!
Amsterdam Copenhagen (Christiania) showed the way earlier. I hope
it works here (and in Colorado too) so that we can work
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote:
Telmo wrote:
I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is
essentially to follow it (although I like to imagine possibilities for
peaceful world with further increases in freedom).
Which Constitution? the one epoch-opening
On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution
when he maintained that the Supreme Court had the right to rule
laws made by Congress and signed by the President unconstitutional.
As a result the USA is essentially ruled by the
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:54 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, fair enough. I wouldn't have said anything more if you'd said it was a
joke after I made my first comment, but since you gave an explanation, I
assumed you were serious. I mean, obviously it was a flippant comparison but
I
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote:
Telmo wrote:
I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is
essentially to follow it (although I like to imagine possibilities for
peaceful world with
2013/11/21 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:57, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
To say that F = m . a or e= m c2 as truth it is necessary to accept
certain beliefs. Belief that at the next moment the laws will not change
for example.
e=mc^2 is an interesting theory
On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:05, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote:
Telmo wrote:
I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is
essentially to follow it (although I like to
On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:29, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/11/21 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:57, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
To say that F = m . a or e= m c2 as truth it is necessary to
accept certain beliefs. Belief that at the next moment the laws
will not
On 21 Nov 2013, at 12:17, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:29, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
The material phenomena are events in the mind.
That is partially true in the comp theory. But mind and matter
emerges from the existence of [READ OR] absence of solution(s) to
I try to stick to names that everyone recognises when I discuss debating
tactics, and *ad hom* is the usual description for using insults rather
than reasoned arguments (if you want to demonstrate my point further by
calling me pompous, don't let me stop you).
You can of course use *ad hominem*
Hi Richard,
There was an article in New Scientist recently about a mathematician who
claims to have a theory which says roughly what you are saying - do you
know anything about that? It sounds a bit like the railways would run on
time if it wasn't for the passengers! -- or in this case, the
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:05, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote:
Telmo wrote:
I admire the US constitution too. In
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:54 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, fair enough. I wouldn't have said anything more if you'd said it was a
joke after I made my first comment, but since you gave an explanation, I
assumed you were serious. I mean, obviously it was a flippant comparison
but I
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote:
Telmo wrote:
*I admire the US constitution too.
I stopped my NS subscription last year.
Do you recall anything I can Google?
I'll try 'the mathematics of crashes'
Yes. That works:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html#.Uo6HTNK-qFA
But this may be better:
It was this one:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029382.400-the-maths-that-saw-the-us-shutdown-coming.html#.Uo6MecSVPB4
On 22 November 2013 11:39, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
I stopped my NS subscription last year.
Do you recall anything I can Google?
I'll try 'the
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote:
Telmo wrote:
*I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is
essentially to follow it (although I like to imagine possibilities for
**peaceful
world
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:09 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, you did so!!!
I can only apologise. I must try not to do so much housework and stuff, I
need to spend longer checking what I'm replying to! :) I just saw what you
said and thought - that's odd - and then a whole
Bertrand Russell said Descarte stopped his doubting one step to soon. He should have said
what is truly indubitable is, There is thinking.
Brent
On 11/21/2013 12:09 AM, LizR wrote:
Hmm. How about I think, therefore there is thought - I perceive, therefore there is
perception - and so on?
Sorry, you did so!!!
I can only apologise. I must try not to do so much housework and stuff, I
need to spend longer checking what I'm replying to! :) I just saw what you
said and thought - that's odd - and then a whole conversation kicked off as
a result. My problem is I hardly ever have time to
Which could almost be comp, in a nutshell.
On 22 November 2013 07:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Bertrand Russell said Descarte stopped his doubting one step to soon.
He should have said what is truly indubitable is, There is thinking.
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On 21 Nov 2013, at 03:54, Chris de Morsella wrote:
We legalized
Bruno,
The rich have been trying to take over the US govt to reduce their tax
burden for over 100 years.
Every time they have succeeded the result has been an economic crash
usually followed by war.
That happened in 1857 after a decade of prosperity and then the crash was
followed by the Civil
On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote:
Telmo wrote:
I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is
essentially to follow it (although I like
Corrected version of Leibniz's implied dictum- I think, therefore
there is an I
Although previously I refered to propositional subject:predicate
logic in reference to an implied dictum of Leibniz's ?
? think, therefore there is an I?, that is incorrect. The true
meaning of Descartes'
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On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:54 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, fair enough. I wouldn't have said anything more if you'd said it was
a joke after I made my first comment, but since you gave an explanation, I
assumed you
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.comwrote:
Does that mean that everything is actually unreal
Who cares? For a word to have meaning it needs contrast, so a world where
EVERYTHING is X would be indistinguishable from a world where NOTHING is
X.
a holograph
By the way we cancelled our sub to NS some years ago, but I am now
reconsidering...
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No you don’t know that at all. You don’t have some crystal ball and
are just quoting from studies that have been criticized as very much low
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/15/google_thinking_machines/
Jason
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So that's what a CAT scan does!
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On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution
when he maintained that the Supreme Court had the right to rule
laws made by Congress and signed by the President unconstitutional.
As a
PS I like the HAL picture :)
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On 22 November 2013 14:08, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
So that's what a CAT scan does!
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/15/google_thinking_machines/
Jason
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I'm not completely sure why this is why nothing will be done about climate
change. For one thing, some things are already being done about it - the
rise in emissions dropped in 2012 (not wonderful, I know, but some
improvement). Interesting
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PS I do agree with you about nuclear power. That wasn't at issue (for me at
least). But if you use unfair debating tactics like motive-questioning, you
look like you don't have any real arguments.
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Yes, we've long since passed the point where we could have prevented it
because it manifestly *is *changing, as almost everyone except Tony Abbott
now realises.
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No you don’t know that at all. You don’t have some crystal ball and are
just quoting from studies that have been criticized as very much low
balling the ultimate number of cancer deaths attributable to Chernobyl.
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No you don’t know that at all. You don’t have some crystal ball and are
just quoting from studies that have been criticized as very much low
balling the ultimate number of cancer deaths attributable to Chernobyl.
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Jason
Not Skynet, but NSA.
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On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:05, Telmo Menezes wrote:
snip
If nobody complains on his local decentralized power, the central
power
should have nothing to say, but if the locals
Corrected version of Leibniz's implied dictum- I think, therefore
there is an I
Although previously I refered to propositional subject:predicate
logic in reference to an implied dictum of Leibniz's –
“I think, therefore I am”, that is incorrect. The true
meaning of Descartes' famous dictum,
Unless the thread title is parsed as everything is either real or unreal
:-)
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On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.comwrote:
Does that mean that everything is actually unreal
Who cares? For
On 11/21/2013 6:21 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Unlike you, I don't believe there will be a need for it on a massive scale. By the
soonest time commercial rated LFTR reactors can be ready the costs per watt and the
scale of production for solar PV will have reached levels that would make it
On 11/21/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Let´s go to a human level:
in evolutionary terms, I would say that truth is a belief hardcoded by natural
selection.
This is self-defeating or circular. You need the truth of natural selection to make
sense of it.
That seems to confound truth
Hmm. Let's hope the methane doesn't come out of suspension in the oceans,
then, because it may go into a runaway feedback loop and lead to a
firestorm - literally like fuel-air explosives being set off, perhaps over
major cities. Methane being such a potent greenhouse gas, the whole thing
could
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:54 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, fair enough. I wouldn't have said anything more if you'd said it was
a joke after I made my
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:27 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
The WHO is much more trustworthy than the German Green Party, the WHO
has no ax to grind but if people don't think a environmental catastrophe is
imminent nobody is going to vote for the German Green Party.
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Unlike you, I don't
Yes my main concern as well. The runaway scenario could totally overwhelm
humanity and trigger global systemic collapse. Within the last five years
methane emission rates in the - now melting -- Arctic permafrost have risen
by a third. The permafrost is a huge methane and CO2 store - all that
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