Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Aug 2012, at 07:53, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/24/2012 12:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Aug 2012, at 03:21, Stephen P. King wrote: Bruno does not seem to ever actually address this directly. It is left as an open problem The body problem? I address this directly as I show

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Aug 2012, at 03:21, Stephen P. King wrote: Bruno does not seem to ever actually address this directly. It is left as an open problem The body problem? I address this directly as I show how we have to translate the body problem in a pure problem of arithmetic, and that is why

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-23 Thread Roger Clough
no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-22, 11:24:16 Subject: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology What exactly determines the 10^500

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-23 Thread Stephen P. King
mailto:stephe...@charter.net *Receiver:* everything-list mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-08-22, 11:19:29 *Subject:* Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Hi Richard, This description assumes an embedding space-time

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-23 Thread Roger Clough
could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-22, 12:34:59 Subject: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Stephan, According to Shing-Tung Yau http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shing-Tung_Yau

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-23 Thread Roger Clough
: everything-list Time: 2012-08-22, 13:16:14 Subject: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Thank God- just an expression. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi Richard, I am familiar with those idea and several others

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-23 Thread Roger Clough
everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-22, 21:35:56 Subject: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology On 8/22/2012 6:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/22/2012 7:43 PM, meekerdb wrote

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-23 Thread Roger Clough
, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-23, 08:18:36 Subject: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Hi Roger, OK, we agree

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Jason Resch
What in the theory suggests that landscapes are a problem? Is there any evidence in any theory that only one possible set of physical laws has to pervade all of existence, or is this just an unsupported preconception/hope of physicists who've spent a big chunk of their lives looking for a unique

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Roger Clough
function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-21, 15:25:31 Subject: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology On 8/21/2012 12:19 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/21/2012 4:10 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi guys

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Aug 2012, at 08:31, Jason Resch wrote: What in the theory suggests that landscapes are a problem? Is there any evidence in any theory that only one possible set of physical laws has to pervade all of existence, or is this just an unsupported preconception/hope of physicists who've

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Roger Clough
. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-21, 15:39:37 Subject: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology String theory predicts the viscosity of the quark-gluon plasma? already found at the LHC and several other

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-08-21, 15:25:31 *Subject:* Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology On 8/21/2012 12:19 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/21/2012 4:10 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi guys, Neither CYM's nor strings physically exist-- instead, they represent things

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Jason, Nothing in the theory suggests that landscapes are a problem! But that is kinda my point, we have to use meta-theories of one sort or another to evaluate theories. Occam's Razor is a nice example... My point is that explanations should be hard to vary and get the result that

Re: Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Roger Clough
: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Baloney. Strings are extended in space. Where did you get that from? On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stephen P. King ? Unlike everyday strings, the strings of string theory

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Roger Clough
-08-21, 21:26:58 Subject: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Stephan, I solved the landscape problem by assuming that each monad was distinct consistent with the astronomical observations that the hyperfine constant? varied monotonically across the universe. Richard

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
Yes Stephan, The 10^500 possible windings of flux constraining the compactified dimensions are sufficient to populate some 10^120 universes with every monad unique or distinct. The CYMs are known to be discrete and since the hyperfine constant varies across the universe it is likely that the

Re: Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Baloney. Strings are extended in space. Where did you get that from? On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stephen P. King � Unlike everyday strings, the strings of string theory

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
*Subject:* Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Stephan, I solved the landscape problem by assuming that each monad was distinct consistent with the astronomical observations that the hyperfine constant� varied monotonically across the universe. Richard On Tue, Aug

Re: Re: Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-08-22, 09:17:38 *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Richard, This description assumes an embedding space-time that is separable from the monads in it. One alternative is to work with an abstract model of (closed under mutual inclusion) totally disconnected compact spaces where the individual components of the space are the images that

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Stephen P. King
. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Richard Ruquist mailto:yann...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-08-21, 21:26:58 *Subject:* Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
Stephan, That is very interesting. I have been using a model based on the monads being enumrable as in an abstract Godelian Peano Arithmetic. Do you have a particular model in mind? Richard On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: Hi Richard, This

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
:* 2012-08-21, 21:26:58 *Subject:* Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Stephan, I solved the landscape problem by assuming that each monad was distinct consistent with the astronomical observations that the hyperfine constant� varied monotonically across

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Richard, So far it seems that a model of monads as enumerable as a Godelian PA would work, but one would ahve to convert that into a complete atomic Boolean algebraic form for it to fit neatly into the scheme that I am using. What I am doing is exploring the idea first discussed by

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Stephen P. King
*Subject:* Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Stephan, I solved the landscape problem by assuming that each monad was distinct consistent with the astronomical observations

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread meekerdb
On 8/22/2012 4:36 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Jason, Nothing in the theory suggests that landscapes are a problem! But that is kinda my point, we have to use meta-theories of one sort or another to evaluate theories. Occam's Razor is a nice example... My point is that explanations

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 8/22/2012 2:44 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/22/2012 4:36 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Jason, Nothing in the theory suggests that landscapes are a problem! But that is kinda my point, we have to use meta-theories of one sort or another to evaluate theories. Occam's Razor is a nice

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 8/22/2012 7:43 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/22/2012 1:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/22/2012 2:44 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/22/2012 4:36 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Jason, Nothing in the theory suggests that landscapes are a problem! But that is kinda my point, we have to use

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread meekerdb
On 8/22/2012 6:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/22/2012 7:43 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/22/2012 1:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/22/2012 2:44 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/22/2012 4:36 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Jason, Nothing in the theory suggests that landscapes are a problem! But

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 8/22/2012 9:35 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/22/2012 6:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/22/2012 7:43 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/22/2012 1:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/22/2012 2:44 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/22/2012 4:36 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Jason, Nothing in the theory

Re: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-21 Thread Roger Clough
: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology Stephan, Well I agree the CYMs are a form of substance. But there are string theories where the background spacetime is flexible, to use a common term. So that is not a theory limitation. The frozen block approximation allows for certain solutions

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-21 Thread Richard Ruquist
String theory predicts the viscosity of the quark-gluon plasma already found at the LHC and several other sites. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 8/21/2012 12:19 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/21/2012 4:10 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi guys, Neither

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 8/21/2012 3:39 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: String theory predicts the viscosity of the quark-gluon plasma already found at the LHC and several other sites. Hi Richard, Could you link some sources on this? On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-21 Thread Richard Ruquist
Steinberg P. Soft Physics from RHIC to the LHC. arXiv:nucl-ex/09031471, 2009. Kovtum PK, Son DT Starinets AO. Viscosity in Strongly Interacting Quantum Field Theories from Black Hole Physics. arXiv:hep-th/0405231. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 8/21/2012 3:58 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Steinberg P. Soft Physics from RHIC to the LHC. arXiv:nucl-ex/09031471, 2009. Kovtum PK, Son DT Starinets AO. Viscosity in Strongly Interacting Quantum Field Theories from Black Hole Physics. arXiv:hep-th/0405231. Good! Now to see if

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-21 Thread Richard Ruquist
Stephan, I solved the landscape problem by assuming that each monad was distinct consistent with the astronomical observations that the hyperfine constant varied monotonically across the universe. Richard On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On

Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-20 Thread Roger
Hi Stephen P. King Mereology is part and parcel of Leibniz's system, to use a limp pun. 1) Although unproven, but because God is good while the world is contingent (imperfect, misfitting), Leibniz, like Augustine and Paul, believed that things as a whole work for good, but unfortunately not

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-20 Thread Richard Ruquist
Wiki: Mereology has been axiomatized in various ways as applications of predicate logic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicate_logic to formal ontologyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_ontology, of which mereology is an important part. A common element of such axiomatizations is the assumption,

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-20 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Roger, On 8/20/2012 6:48 AM, Roger wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Mereology is part and parcel of Leibniz's system, to use a limp pun. I like puns! They show us that existence does not just have one side/form/pattern/perspective... 1) Although unproven, but because God is good while the

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 8/20/2012 11:36 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Wiki: Mereology has been axiomatized in various ways as applications of predicate logic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicate_logic to formal ontology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_ontology, of which mereology is an important part. A common

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-20 Thread Richard Ruquist
Hi Stephan, I do not think that string theory requires a fixed background. Otherwise string theory could not be a prospective ToE. Richard On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 8/20/2012 11:36 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Wiki: Mereology has been

Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best mereology

2012-08-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 8/20/2012 1:40 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Hi Stephan, I do not think that string theory requires a fixed background. Otherwise string theory could not be a prospective ToE. Richard Hi Richard, I had the very same reaction, but research it for yourself. Look at the literature, the