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On 10/9/2012 11:54 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
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Comments, theories, reflections welcome.
You pays your money and you makes your choice.
Kim Jones
I wouldn't say yes to him. He thinks
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Well, one could refer that definition of beauty back to the One,
maybe that's what plotinus does. Instead of the many coming out of the
one, the one comprises the many. A work of art is a whole of parts, compete.
But practically speaking
When I see a beautiful
The perception of beauty in the body is the result of the evolutionary
need to detect people with sucessful traits to meet or mate them.
Male face masculine traits, designed for avoiding strokes of other men.
http://ilevolucionista.blogspot.com.es/2008/06/evolutionary-design-of-human-face.html
Hi meekerdb
1) If you do not have subjective experience, you are dead.
So subjectivity is necessary for evolution.
2) The self cannot be an illusion, for it is the perceiver.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/10/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
Hi Kim Jones
My own opinion is that the world is much stranger than we
think it is. NDEs are like UFOs. They don't make any scientific sense,
but they are widely experienced and reported. I don't think
all of the observers can be crazy. But I am a type P in the mbti,
so loose ends don't
Hi Bruno Marchal
I think that consciousness, intelligence and some measure of free will are
necessary and inseparable parts of life itself.
consciousness
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Hi Roger Clough
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/10/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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ROGER: Hi Bruno Marchal and Stathis,
1. Only entities in spacetime physically exist, and thus can be
measured and proven.
BRUNO: Too much vague to me. I am OK, and I am not OK, for different
reasonable intepretations of what you say here.
I doubt something in physics can be proved in
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
You can be tested for intelligence, but the
enduring solipsist problem shows that you cannot
be tested for consciousness. At least nobody seems to have
come up with such a test.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/10/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
Only the computation could know that.
We can only know our own minds.
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10/10/2012
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Hi Richard Ruquist
What makes you think it is false ?
Please be specific.
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Hi Roger,
What
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On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I have no trouble at all saying that zero computers are conscious and
that all living people have had conscious experiences.
Fine say what you want, but I'll never be able to prove you right and I'll
never be able to prove you
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:51:50 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
Roger,
To say that a connection is based on logic is a category error.
More specifically,
I conjecture that the connection in the brain between the physical brain
and the (computational?) mind/monads is based on BEC
NDEs make sense to me in my model. With personal consciousness as a subset
of super-personal consciousness, it stands to reason that the personal
event of one's own death would or could be a super-signifiying presentation
in the native language of one's person (or super-person).
Craig
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Hi Craig, and other
As I am in very buzy period, which can last some time, I will be short
and focus on the main disagreements. Or I will take more time for
some posts, or I will break my spelling mistakes' number record.
On 09 Oct 2012, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday,
On 09 Oct 2012, at 19:03, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:04:51 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Oct 2012, at 22:38, Craig Weinberg wrote:
If the universe were a simulation, would the constant speed of
light correspond to the clock speed driving the simulation?
On 09 Oct 2012, at 19:07, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/9/2012 7:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Oct 2012, at 19:35, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/8/2012 8:42 AM, John Clark wrote:
2) Intelligent behavior is NOT associated with subjective
experience, in which case there is no reason for Evolution
On 09 Oct 2012, at 19:27, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:09:57 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think Brittany and Abby are two single individual persons.
I do too, but we can see that there is much more behavioral
synchronization that we would expect from two
Craig,
I claim that a connection is needed in substance dualism between the
substance of the mind and the substance of the brain. That is, if
consciousness resides in a BEC in the brain and also in the mind, then
the two can become entangled and essentially be copies of each other.
So the BEC
A very sad news is that Eric Vandenbussche died. It is the guy I
called here often the little genius, who solved notably the first
open problem in my PhD thesis (as you can consult on my url).
That was a *very* nice guy, a friend, also, an ally, a support. I miss
him greatly.
R.I.P.
On 10 Oct 2012, at 09:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/9/2012 11:54 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9597345/Afterlife-exists-says-top-brain-surgeon.html
Comments, theories, reflections welcome.
You pays your money and you makes your choice.
Kim
On 10 Oct 2012, at 13:31, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
I think that consciousness, intelligence and some measure of free
will are
necessary and inseparable parts of life itself.
consciousness
/ \
On 10 Oct 2012, at 14:23, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
You can be tested for intelligence,
You can be tested for competence, only. Not for intelligence.
Not for consciousness, either.
You can test locally for non-intelligence, in front of a repeated
mistakes.
On 10/10/2012 1:02 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
A very sad news is that Eric Vandenbussche died. It is the guy I
called here often the little genius, who solved notably the first
open problem in my PhD thesis (as you can consult on my url).
That was a *very* nice guy, a friend, also, an ally,
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:47:47 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
Craig,
I claim that a connection is needed in substance dualism between the
substance of the mind and the substance of the brain. That is, if
consciousness resides in a BEC in the brain and also in the mind, then
the two
On 09 Oct 2012, at 20:39, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/9/2012 12:28 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Oct 2012, at 13:22, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/9/2012 2:16 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/8/2012 3:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Oct 2012, at 19:27, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:09:57 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think Brittany and Abby are two single individual persons.
I do too, but
2012/10/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 09 Oct 2012, at 18:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
It may be a zombie or not. I can´t know.
The same applies to other persons. It may be that the world is made of
zombie-actors that try to cheat me, but I have an harcoded belief in
the
John,
On 09 Oct 2012, at 22:22, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno,
examples are not identifiction. I was referring to (your?) lack of
detailed description what the universal machine consists of and how
it functions (maybe: beyond what we know - ha ha). A comprehensive
ID. Your lot of examples
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:14:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Oct 2012, at 19:03, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:04:51 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Oct 2012, at 22:38, Craig Weinberg wrote:
If the universe were a simulation, would the
Craig,
The experiencers are the monads and the physical neurons..
I conjure experiencers because I have experiences.
But it appears that two kinds of experiencers are necessary.
The BEC just connects them. I do not care what you call that.
Names are not important.
Richard
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:32:40 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
Craig,
The experiencers are the monads and the physical neurons..
I conjure experiencers because I have experiences.
But it appears that two kinds of experiencers are necessary.
The BEC just connects them. I do not care
On 10.10.2012 17:16 Craig Weinberg said the following:
http://s33light.org/post/33296583824
Have a look. Objections? Suggestions?
I am not sure if vitalism is a model of consciousness.
Eliminativism is not Epiphenomenalism. The small difference is that
epiphenomenalism assumes mental
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:27:52 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 10.10.2012 17:16 Craig Weinberg said the following:
http://s33light.org/post/33296583824
Have a look. Objections? Suggestions?
I am not sure if vitalism is a model of consciousness.
Yeah, this is more
Craig,
Neurons are made in accordance with physical laws.
You are confusing string theory with comp which apparently makes everything.
String theory monads are made in the big bang by having the excess
dimensions of the space of string theory curl up into 1000 planck
diameter particles that
I disagree with everything you suggest.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:52:30 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
Craig,
Neurons are made in accordance with physical laws.
You are confusing string theory with comp which
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 01:41:51PM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/10/2012 1:02 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
A very sad news is that Eric Vandenbussche died. It is the guy I
called here often the little genius, who solved notably the
first open problem in my PhD thesis (as you can
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 7:46:17 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
I disagree with everything you suggest.
You are welcome to disagree, but without knowing why, I can only assume
that you don't really have an argument against my view. The bottom line is
that without some theory which gets us
The why is that your conception of space is unscientific.
You sound like a New Ager.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 7:46:17 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
I disagree with everything you suggest.
You are welcome to
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:27:25AM -0400, Richard Ruquist wrote:
The Measurement That Would Reveal The Universe As A Computer
Simulation
...
First, some background. The problem with all simulations is that the laws
of physics, which appear continuous, have to be superimposed onto a
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:37:33 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
The why is that your conception of space is unscientific.
You sound like a New Ager.
Why do you think that my conception of space is unscientific? Saying I
sound like a New Ager makes you sound unscientific.
On Wed, Oct
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:37:33 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
The why is that your conception of space is unscientific.
You sound like a New Ager.
Also, not to pick a fight or to diminish the work that you are doing (which
I respect), but your conception of space is:
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