On 11 Dec 2012, at 19:17, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:07:16 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Your servitor:
1) Arithmetic (comp)
:)
Bruno
To which I add:
0) That which perceives, understands, participates, and gives rise
to comp.
OK. But this is just to
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:03:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Dec 2012, at 19:17, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:07:16 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Your servitor:
1) Arithmetic (comp)
:)
Bruno
To which I add:
On 10 Dec 2012, at 19:03, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Richard,
On 10 Dec 2012, at 16:17, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Roger Bruno,
How is consciousness related to god?
It seems like the beginning of an infinite god regression.
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
You're forgiven. You're too smart to lose.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/12/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Name: Roger B. Clough Born 9/7/41
Roger Clough has introduced a number of innovations to the fields of
nondestructive
evaluation,using acoustic emission, and the mechanical characterization of
materials.
He was co-inventor of the multichannel acoustic emission technique, which is
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 10 Dec 2012, at 19:03, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Richard,
On 10 Dec 2012, at 16:17, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Roger Bruno,
How is consciousness
Hi Bruno Marchal
That's very close to Leibniz's version of cause and effect,
except in his version, the after-state is not in need of calculation,
it is aready known through the pre-establsihed harmony (PEH).
The supreme monad moves a given monad from his before-state
to his after-state in
Hi Bruno and Richard,
I prefer not to refer to consciousness other than
it simply being the action by the observer of perception,
true or not. God or the One, who/which are at the end of the
chain of events. Consciousness is overtly like an eye looking into
a telescope or microscope. Firstness,
On 12 Dec 2012, at 14:19, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:03:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Dec 2012, at 19:17, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:07:16 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Your servitor:
1) Arithmetic (comp)
:)
All,
One of the questions in mathematics is where does mathematical truth come
from, if it exists platonically, how does it manifest physically (e.g. as
the utterances of mathematicians).
I had a thought inspired by one of Roger's posts regarding cause and effect
extending outside of spacetime.
HiBruno Marchal
Yes, a computer can have a memory, but it would
essentially be (I presume) a non-selective, direct recording of its
previous experiences.
Perhaps I am being too demanding, but
human memory is not just such a recording.
Only events that have important personal emotional
On 12 Dec 2012, at 16:29, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
That's very close to Leibniz's version of cause and effect,
except in his version, the after-state is not in need of calculation,
it is aready known through the pre-establsihed harmony (PEH).
No problem. If you study a bit of
On 12 Dec 2012, at 17:04, Roger Clough wrote:
HiBruno Marchal
Yes, a computer can have a memory, but it would
essentially be (I presume) a non-selective, direct recording of its
previous experiences.
We are not talking about your laptop, but on any computer, and with
the CTM, your brain
On 12 Dec 2012, at 17:00, Jason Resch wrote:
All,
One of the questions in mathematics is where does mathematical truth
come from, if it exists platonically, how does it manifest
physically (e.g. as the utterances of mathematicians).
I could explain, but it can be long, that it is
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2012 9:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Everett's QM is not a theory; it's just an interpretations.
Not quite. Deutsch's proposed experiment with reversible computation
and an AI yields different results for the CI and MWI,
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
Cool.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/12/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Time: 2012-12-12, 00:49:28
Subject: Re: I am my
Hi Friends.
Im my opinion, mathematical truth becomes a result of the antrophic
principle if we accept that life is a process of algorithmical discovery of
a description of the reality where the body is, so that this description
can be incorporated and used for survival. This discovery demand
Hi Stephen P. King
The simple substances keep changing, they are
not like chemical atoms.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/12/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stephen P. King
1) No two monads can be the same, so at least one
of them within each type has to be the dominant one.
This is like a representative govt wherein the dominant
one governs its subset. And it is governed by higher levels.
2) As that suggests, there are levels of monads,
Hi Bruno Marchal
I hate to be a spoiler, but, being a pragmatist and nominalist,
to me, the word truth is a stumbling block and a red herring.
To me, the One contains many types of truth, differing
according to their definitions.
To me, the word real would be a better one, and
to a
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:49:16 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Dec 2012, at 14:19, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:03:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Dec 2012, at 19:17, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, December
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 12 Dec 2012, at 16:27, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
snip
This means literally that if the theory below (A, B, C, ... J) is correct A,
B, C ..., J
On 12/12/2012 1:23 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
The perceptions or system states are like a stack of cards,
inside each monad, giving the states of all of the other monads
in the universe as would potentially be seen from that monad if it
had eyes and a window, giving the card an
Hi Roger,
Anything goal-oriented is teleological, which is what
the word means. And the goal of life is to survive.
So evolution is teleological.
Sorry but I don't agree that life or evolution have a goal. That would be a
bit like saying that the goal of gravity is to attract chunks of matter
On 12/12/2012 1:27 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
i Stephen P. King
The simple substances keep changing, they are
not like chemical atoms.
Dear Roger,
Chemical atoms are cyclical entities in multiple ways. Their mass is
defined by the E= hf; where f is a frequency. The orbits of the
electrons have a
On 12/12/2012 1:43 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
1) No two monads can be the same, so at least one
of them within each type has to be the dominant one.
This is like a representative govt wherein the dominant
one governs its subset. And it is governed by higher levels.
Dear Roger,
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:46:27 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
Well. I have not all the time i wish for this. You keep saying that there
are othes species where... Yes. And there are atoms that are radiactive.
What are two species to do one with each other?.
All species are
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 2:48:31 PM UTC-5, Terren Suydam wrote:
Hi Telmo,
I agree with everything you said. However, a goal is something that can
only be formulated in some kind of mind - it's a mental construct. So to
say life has a goal makes no sense, *except* as the implicit
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:56:39 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Anything goal-oriented is teleological, which is what
the word means. And the goal of life is to survive.
So evolution is teleological.
In other words, life is intelligent.
Just repeating my
Hi Tarren,
Yup, we're in agreement.
I agree with everything you said. However, a goal is something that can
only be formulated in some kind of mind - it's a mental construct. So to
say life has a goal makes no sense, *except* as the implicit statement
that e.g. we interpret that life's goal
Stathis:
do you mean to recover Alzheimer-destroyed memories as well?
JM
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.netwrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
My personal introspection will always have my
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:10 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Stathis:
do you mean to recover Alzheimer-destroyed memories as well?
JM
No, when something goes wrong with the process, such as disease or injury,
the memories are disrupted or perhaps lost.
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On 12/12/2012 7:27 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 10 Dec 2012, at 19:03, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Richard,
On 10 Dec 2012, at 16:17, Richard
On 12/12/2012 8:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
All,
One of the questions in mathematics is where does mathematical truth come from, if it
exists platonically, how does it manifest physically (e.g. as the utterances of
mathematicians).
I had a thought inspired by one of Roger's posts regarding
On 12/12/2012 9:25 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2012 9:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Everett's QM is not a theory; it's just an interpretations.
Not quite. Deutsch's proposed experiment
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:45 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2012 8:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
All,
One of the questions in mathematics is where does mathematical truth come
from, if it exists platonically, how does it manifest physically (e.g. as
the utterances of
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2012 9:25 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2012 9:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Everett's QM is not a theory; it's just an interpretations.
Not
On 12/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
If observing a definite result doesn't collapse the wave function then
what does? I think the experiment is meant to show collapse does not
happen. And if there is no collapse then you have the MWI.
Jason
Hi,
It seems to me that we would not
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 12/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
If observing a definite result doesn't collapse the wave function then
what does? I think the experiment is meant to show collapse does not
happen. And if there is no
On 12/12/2012 3:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:45 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2012 8:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
All,
One of the questions in mathematics is where does mathematical truth
come from,
Humon's illustrated (and explained) animal mating habits
http://imgur.com/a/jKXOf?gallery
A silly looking, but informative survey of how various critters do it. It
should be clear from this that there is no inherent gender orientation
defined by the cosmos, beyond some loose probabilistic
On 12/12/2012 4:01 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2012 9:25 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 12/12/2012 5:10 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 12/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
If observing a definite result doesn't collapse the wave function then
what
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