Re: Can the physical brain possibly store our memories ? No.

On 12/20/2012 1:01 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi A simpler way to make my point is the axiom that no information can be stand alone, it must have context to give it meaning. But that context can not be stored alone, it in turn must have context. And so forth. Thus one bit of information cannot simpl

Re: promoting REASON

On 12/20/2012 12:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote: If the occupiers simply suffer from anomie, why do they go to the trouble of camping out on the street ? It's uncomfortable and boring. Dear Roger, They are post-modernFlagellants , they believe that thei

Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

On 12/20/2012 9:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Dec 2012, at 20:18, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 2:14 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am trying to see if we can use the way that towers of theories are allowed by the incompleteness theorems... This is studied in recursion theory. Turing

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On 12/20/2012 6:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Roger, I accidentally sent the previous email before I was done, sorry. Please consider this more complete version of the intended whole: Hi Telmo, Those images in the videoclips, while still remarkable, probably were constru

Re: The pro-life paradox

On 12/20/2012 5:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:01, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: Is pro-life activism enhancing life or diminishing life? Some pro-life doctor are against euth

Re: Against Mechanism

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> You are asking about the present first person point of view of someone, >> > > > NO. read the question: it is about a future first personal event. > That is totally false! The Helsinki man is informing you about his PRESENT first person s

Re: Why economic inequality and environmental degradation are likely to improve

On 12/20/2012 7:20 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: I just wonder what your gonna do when they are all gone... Live in peace? Grow food? That's the thing, we'll never know what we might actually want to do as long as we have a society telling us what we have to do. Maybe we should start

Re: What is truth ? Take your pick.

On 12/20/2012 4:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: "Necessary truths are the only kind that can be known, they are conditional to context." How is this weird? I think that the process philosophy seems very strange and distorted to you. Why should a contingent truth be not knowable? That seems even mo

Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

On 12/20/2012 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Dec 2012, at 22:12, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/18/2012 3:28 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/18/2012 10:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/18/2012 12:51 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/17/2012 11:51 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Which implies ther

Re: Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

Roger, Your pro-life stance includes the doctor keeping you alive at all costs whereas if you really believed in an afterlife, you are better off dead. Richard On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E

Re: Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

Hi Richard Ruquist How so ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-20, 12:45:56 Subject: Re: Re: The pro-life

Re: Jason and the Dragon's Teeth

On 12/20/2012 9:40 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb How can you store info on a particle ? You store it by the position of the particle or some particle property like spin orientation. Let's make this as simple as possible and say that you decide to write some "information" on a piece o

Can the physical brain possibly store our memories ? No.

Hi A simpler way to make my point is the axiom that no information can be stand alone, it must have context to give it meaning. But that context can not be stored alone, it in turn must have context. And so forth. Thus one bit of information cannot simply be physically stored, it would extend to

Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

Roger, I am amused the a believer like you does not factor in your thinking the existence of the afterlife. Richard On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Bruno Marchal > > There is a gray area called "quality of life". > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/20/2012

Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

Hi Bruno Marchal There is a gray area called "quality of life". [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-20, 05:12

Re: Re: promoting REASON

Hi Quentin Anciaux If the occupiers simply suffer from anomie, why do they go to the trouble of camping out on the street ? It's uncomfortable and boring. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the f

Jason and the Dragon's Teeth

Hi meekerdb How can you store info on a particle ? Let's make this as simple as possible and say that you decide to write some "information" on a piece of paper in the form of 1's and 0's. Is that really information ? No. Not unless you provide additional information such as a) a definiti

Re: promoting REASON

On 19 Dec 2012, at 23:07, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 3:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: That's because the federal government was the instrument of freeing the slaves, over turning Jim Crow, giving women the vote and equal rights. No corporation ever supported personal or civil rights -

Re: Re: promoting REASON

Hi meekerdb History shows that the wallet is more powerful than the admirable moral actions such as you propose. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiv

Re: Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

Hi meekerdb Can be is not the same as is. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 14:30:29 Subject: Re: the only t

Re: Re: On Income Fairness in the USA and the world

Hi meekerdb True. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 14:01:24 Subject: Re: On Income Fairness in the USA and

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > Hi Roger, > > >> I accidentally sent the previous email before >> I was done, sorry. Please consider this more complete version >> of the intended whole: >> >> Hi Telmo, >> >> Those images in the videoclips, while still remarkable, >> proba

Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

On 12/20/2012 1:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: People agree that 2+2=4 because it is a simple truth which follow from simple definition. But that makes it conditional on the definition (axioms). And it is not such a simple truth. Two raindrops plus two raindrops makes one big raindrop. One brid

Re: Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

Hi Bruno Marchal This is just an intuition. IMHO conventional physics and math applies to this bifurcated world, where every action produces a reaction, the world is objective/subjective, magnetic monopoles are impossible, etc.,etc. This also shows up in quantum physics, where a bit can be both

Re: Re: Why economic inequality and environmental degradation are likelyto improve

Hi Craig Weinberg Then we have a dilemma. The numbers say that we are all living better, while you ( and my liberal lady friend) say that things are getting worse. I don't know the answer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woo

Quantum weirdness and the "coincidentia oppositorum"

Quantum weirdness and the "coincidentia oppositorum" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_of_opposites#Coincidentia_oppositorum "Coincidentia oppositorum is a Latin phrase meaning coincidence of opposites. It is a neoplatonic term attributed to 15th century German polymath Nicholas of Cusa in

i reallyt should have called the gini index the "unfairness index"

Hi Bruno Marchal I really have called the gini coefficient the "unfairness index" instead of the "fairness index", as the larger it is, the more inequality. I might not have gotten it backwards. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end."

Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

On 19 Dec 2012, at 20:55, John Mikes wrote: I tried to identify the meaning of "axiom" and found a funny solution: as it looks, "AXIOM" is an unprovable idea underlining a theory otherwise non-provable. In most cases: an unjustified statement, that, however, DOES work in the contest of the

Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

On 19 Dec 2012, at 20:30, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 8:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb and Stephen, If information is stored in quantum form, I can't see why the number of particles in the universe can be a limiting fsactor. Information has to be instantiated in matter (unless

Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

On 19 Dec 2012, at 20:18, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 2:14 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am trying to see if we can use the way that towers of theories are allowed by the incompleteness theorems... This is studied in recursion theory. Turing shows that incompleteness continue to all

Re: The pro-life paradox

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:01, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:49, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi Stephen P. King >> >> I define good as that which enh

Re: Why economic inequality and environmental degradation are likely to improve

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:09:31 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 10:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Did you notice this chart on that link? > > > > http://www.unc.edu/~nielsen/special/s2/hs12003a.gif > > > > There is no shade of black that is white, sir. I know

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

Hi Roger, > I accidentally sent the previous email before > I was done, sorry. Please consider this more complete version > of the intended whole: > > Hi Telmo, > > Those images in the videoclips, while still remarkable, > probably were constructed simply by monitoring > sensory MRI signals jus

Re: Against Mechanism

On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:19, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> the question is about a future first person points of view, >> That is incorrect and I'm surprised at such a elementary error in logic. > This is rhetoric. No, in fact it is vitally important. >>

Re: The pro-life paradox

On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:01, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:49, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King I define good as that which enhances life and evil as that which diminishes it. Is pro-life activism enhan

Re: What is truth ? Take your pick.

On 19 Dec 2012, at 13:50, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 5:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:50, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/17/2012 11:31 AM, Roger Clough wrote: I may have to disagree with you, possibly because no one arithmetic statement is the whole truth. And co

Re: The pro-life paradox

On 19 Dec 2012, at 13:04, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Dear Bruno, Excuse if i don´t address your question. "I define good as that which enhances life and evil as that which diminishes it" That is also my definition. Going a step further, good is tautological and absolute, in the same way tha

Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

On 18 Dec 2012, at 22:12, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/18/2012 3:28 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/18/2012 10:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/18/2012 12:51 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/17/2012 11:51 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Which implies there is some measure of 'true' other than 'provab