Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 09:13:34PM -0700, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 8:08:58 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

On 4/18/2019 8:20 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 8:08:58 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 6:53:33 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: Sorry, I don't remember what, if anything, I intended to text. I'm not

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 8:08:58 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 6:53:33 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, I don't remember what, if anything, I

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

Very interesting.  Thanks. Brent On 4/18/2019 7:08 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a link which might help; https://arxiv.org/pdf/1608.05752.pdf AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 4/18/2019 4:24 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:34:26AM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 4/18/2019 2:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: For instance, without an observer to interpret a certain pile of atoms as a machine, it

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 8:08:58 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 6:53:33 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> Sorry, I don't remember what, if anything, I intended to text. >> >> I'm not expert on how Einstein arrived at his famous field equations. I

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 6:53:33 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > Sorry, I don't remember what, if anything, I intended to text. > > I'm not expert on how Einstein arrived at his famous field equations. I > know that he insisted on them being tensor equations so that they would > have the

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

Sorry, I don't remember what, if anything, I intended to text. I'm not expert on how Einstein arrived at his famous field equations.  I know that he insisted on them being tensor equations so that they would have the same form in all coordinate systems. That may sound like a mathematical

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 03:17:59AM -0700, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > What does "self model" even mean ? Notice that any material attempt to > implement "self model" leads to infinite regress. Because let's say that a > machine has the parts A B C. To have a "self model" would

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:34:26AM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 4/18/2019 2:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > For > instance, without an observer to interpret a certain pile of atoms as > a machine, it is just a pile of atoms. > > Are you

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 3:56:54 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Apr 2019, at 12:17, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > >> >> > The puzzle is that if one looks at the literal SM formula shown here: > > > https://www.sciencealert.com/images/Screen_Shot_2016-08-03_at_3.20.12_pm.png >

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 05:31:06AM -0700, PGC wrote: > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 11:53:36 AM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 16 Apr 2019, at 15:06, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 6:39:28 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > >

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 4/18/2019 3:52 AM, smitra wrote: On 18-04-2019 03:29, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:22:35PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: But how complete must the self-model be. That is the 64 million dollar question. As Bruno has pointed out, it can't be

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 4/18/2019 3:34 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: The only downside being that... the robot does not exist. People are tricking themselves too easily into personifying objects. There is no robot there, there are just a bunch of atoms I thought you didn't believe in atoms.  I

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 8:56:54 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Apr 2019, at 12:17, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 4:53:36 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 16 Apr 2019, at 15:06, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, April 16,

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 4/18/2019 3:17 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: What does "self model" even mean ? Notice that any material attempt to implement "self model" leads to infinite regress. No.  A "model" is not a complete description, it's a representation of some specific aspects.  Your

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

On 4/18/2019 2:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That would be the mistake of Dgital Physics/Physicalism. It is like saying that some program u generate the physical universe. That is not entirely excluded from the mechanist hypothesis, but even if that is the case, such an u (and of course all

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

I see you are of the scholastic school of philosophers (I thought they were all dead) who suppose that they can make things true by giving them "precise definitions" in words.  You should study some science and learn the importance of operational definitions in connecting words to facts.

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 4/18/2019 2:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: For instance, without an observer to interpret a certain pile of atoms as a machine, it is just a pile of atoms. Are you saying that Mars Rover cannot interpret some of its data on Mars, when nobody observed it, or are you saying that Mars Rover has

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 7:16:45 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > *I see no new text in this message. AG* > Brent; if you have time, please reproduce the text you intended. I recall reading that before Einstein published his GR paper, he used a trial and error method to

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 14:33, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > There are > > I: Information > E: Experience > M: Matter > > Some think selfhood can be made of pure-I; others think pure-E. > > Most modern materialists think I-type M is enough. > But experiential materialists think it's

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 12:28, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 4:33:48 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 18 Apr 2019, at 09:11, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 8:29:25 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 17,

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 12:05, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > Before going deeper into analyzing your claims, I would like to know if your > concept of machine has free will. Because this is a very important concept > for consciousness. If you machine doesn't have free will,

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 12:17, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 4:53:36 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 16 Apr 2019, at 15:06, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 6:39:28 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 15 Apr 2019,

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 3:22:18 PM UTC+2, telmo wrote: > > Hi Cosmin, > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, at 08:42, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > 1) Oh, I'm clearly not making that mistake. When I talk about emergence, I > talk about ontological emergence, not the hand-waving

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, at 18:45, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 Apr 2019, at 08:08, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, at 05:03, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 4/16/2019 6:10 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, at

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Hi Cosmin, On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, at 08:42, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > 1) Oh, I'm clearly not making that mistake. When I talk about emergence, I > talk about ontological emergence, not the hand-waving epistemic kind that > people usually talk about. The emergence that I'm

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

There are I: Information E: Experience M: Matter Some think selfhood can be made of pure-I; others think pure-E. Most modern materialists think I-type M is enough. But experiential materialists think it's (E+I)-type M. The ancient materialist Epicurus thought there were physical (I) and

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 11:53:36 AM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Apr 2019, at 15:06, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 6:39:28 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 15 Apr 2019, at 11:04, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> If our physics is in a

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 18-04-2019 03:29, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:22:35PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: But how complete must the self-model be.  That is the 64 million dollar question. As Bruno has pointed out, it can't be complete.  Current Mars Rovers have some

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

The only downside being that... the robot does not exist. People are tricking themselves too easily into personifying objects. There is no robot there, there are just a bunch of atoms that bang into each others. You can move those atoms around all day long as you want. You will not create

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 4:33:48 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Apr 2019, at 09:11, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 8:29:25 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:22:35PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything >> List

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 4:53:36 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Apr 2019, at 15:06, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 6:39:28 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 15 Apr 2019, at 11:04, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> If our physics is in a

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

What does "self model" even mean ? Notice that any material attempt to implement "self model" leads to infinite regress. Because let's say that a machine has the parts A B C. To have a "self model" would mean to have another part (A B C) which would contain the "self model". But this would be

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Before going deeper into analyzing your claims, I would like to know if your concept of machine has free will. Because this is a very important concept for consciousness. If you machine doesn't have free will, then you are not talking about consciousness. On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:08:40

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

I'm not the only consciousness. There are other consciousnesses as well. But that's all that exists: consciousnesses and their interactions. Everything else are external appearances of the internal interactions that take place between consciousnesses. On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:47:06

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

> On 16 Apr 2019, at 15:06, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 6:39:28 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 15 Apr 2019, at 11:04, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> If our physics is in a number, is Game of Thrones physics >> >> The physics of Game of Thrones

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

> On 17 Apr 2019, at 01:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 4/16/2019 7:56 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 9:26:59 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 4/15/2019 7:14 PM, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

I think that you are making the classical confusion that a lot of materialists are doing, namely to not have a proper understanding of precise philosophical concepts, such as: meaning, purpose, free will, etc., and because of this lack of understanding, you randomly apply these concepts where

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 09:11, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 8:29:25 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:22:35PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > But how complete must the self-model be. > > That is the 64

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 03:29, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:22:35PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: >> >> But how complete must the self-model be. > > That is the 64 million dollar question. To have consciousness, I put the bar on universality, to

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

But it has predictions. Is just that it depends what you understand by "predictions" at this point. If you understand something like predicting the masses of particles from physics, then it doesn't make such a prediction. But neither does physics. But on the other hand, it makes predictions

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 03:00, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:25:19PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Rover is conscious, but still dissociated from ‘rover”. But that is just >> because it has no strong induction axiom, and no way to build approximation >> of >> models of

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 8:29:25 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:22:35PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything > List wrote: > > > > But how complete must the self-model be. > > That is the 64 million dollar question. > > > As Bruno has pointed out,