Yes, thank you Russell, this is a real gift!
On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 7:15 PM Liz R wrote:
> Thanks Russell. Hope you are all well on the Everything list.
>
> On Monday 29 April 2024 at 17:04:14 UTC+12 Russell Standish wrote:
>
>> I did get a response from him when I suggested making Amoeba's Secr
Wow. Vance lends a supportive blurb to a book that says that democracy is a
failure and needs to be replaced by an authoritarian regime. This is
nakedly un-American. I can't believe anyone who isn't an extremist can
support that. But extremism is mainstream on the right now, and this blurb
is an e
Only in the most idealized sense of Turing completeness would we argue
whether the brain is Turing complete. Neural networks are Turing complete.
If we're interested in whether consciousness requires Turing completeness,
it seems silly to use the brain as a *counter example* of Turing
completeness
Every indication is that you're a troll - except for the fact that you've
written a paper on consciousness. I'm beginning to think you used AI to
write your paper. That would explain why you seem incapable of engaging
with actual questions and criticisms, because you have no actual interest
or know
If you have no idea, then just say so. Otherwise, answer the question.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 11:22 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> As I said: interacting with other consciousnesses.
>
> On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 15:
; soon.
>
> On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 02:40:30 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>> Your interactions here are a preview of what discourse on your google
>> group would be like. And there's a lot of words to describe that, but
>> "inviting" isn't on
list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> @Terren. Other consciousnesses. That you cannot even imagine.
>
> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 22:45:45 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
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>> When you "take mushrooms", what happens is for your consciousness to
>>> interact with th
Your interactions here are a preview of what discourse on your google group
would be like. And there's a lot of words to describe that, but "inviting"
isn't one of them.
Terren
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 2:46 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> I invite
ooms", what happens is
> for your consciousness to interact with the other consciousnesses. Also
> "internet" is a similar appearance in your consciousness. And when you
> "enter the internet", your consciousness changes from interacting with
> other consciousnesses.
&
That reminds me of Donald Hoffman's idea of reality as emerging from the
interactions of “conscious agents”. These interactions are governed by
mathematical principles. The apparent solidity and objectivity of the
physical world are illusions created by the network of interactions among
conscious a
iousness.
> Correlation is not causation. This even a 5-years old kid understands.
>
> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 17:39:34 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
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>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:01 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>&
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:01 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> @Quentin @Stathis. That's where the whole magical belief in AI comes from,
> from believing that you are robots. Well.. breaking news: you are not! You
> are God. "Brain" is just a pictur
How has your understanding of computer programming helped you avoid being
victimized by AI hype?
On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 5:19 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> People that are victims of the AI hype neither understand computer
> programming nor cons
> Also, the fact that you call it "speculative", only shows that you are
> full of hatred and are unwilling to engage. Then your presence is pointless
> on this topic. Why are you here ? To freely hate on people ? Pathetic.
>
> On Wednesday 26 June 2024 at 15:51:48
thing like Claude that can summarize
17 pages of speculative philosophy is the only way I was going to do that.
Terren
> On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 21:32:24 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
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>> From your paper, you define self-reference as: "Let self-reference be the
>> entity
PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> @Terren. There is no "self" and "ability to reference". There is just
> self-reference. You can call it hampty-dampty if you want.
>
> On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 20:
Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> The proper understanding happens by reading the paper, not by using
> hallucinatory objects to give you a devoid of meaning shortcut.
>
> On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 16:42:11 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
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>&
I used Claude Sonnet to summarize your paper. Tell me if any of this misses
the mark, but the paper appears to posit *self-reference* as fundamental,
upon which all other aspects of reality are derived.
If so (this is me now), my first thought is that self-reference cannot be
fundamental, because
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 3:24 PM Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 10:26 PM PGC wrote:
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>> A lot of the excitement around LLMs is due to confusing skill/competence
>> (memory based) with the unsolved problem of intelligence, its most
>> optimal/perfect test etc. There is a differenc
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 2:04 PM John Clark wrote:
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> On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:23 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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>
>> * LLMs are not AGI (yet), but it's hard to ignore they're (sometimes
>> astonishingly) competent at answering multi-modal questions acr
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 4:58 PM PGC wrote:
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>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 7:28:13 PM UTC+2 John Clark wrote:
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> On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 10:26 PM PGC wrote:
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>
> *> you can always brute force some LLM through huge compute and large,
> highly domain specific training data, to "solve" a se
Immortality is overrated.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 5:15 PM John Clark wrote:
> Richard Ngo, a top researcher at open AI, recently said something rather
> interesting:
>
> "*The closer we get to the singularity the lower my risk tolerance gets.
> I’d already ruled out skydiving and paragliding. La
It's hard to know how to think about this kind of risk. It's safe to say EY
has done more thinking on this issue than just about anyone, and he's one
of the smartest people on the planet, probably. I've been following him for
over a decade, from even before his writings on lesswrong.
However, ther
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 6:00 PM Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 4:14 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Jason Resch wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terre
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 5:47 PM Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 3:50 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jason Resch wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suy
n Tue, May 23, 2023 at 4:33 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Tue, May 23, 2023 Terren Suydam wrote:
>
> *> reality is fundamentally consciousness. *
>
>
> Then why does a simple physical molecule like *N**2**O *stop
> consciousness temporarily and another simple physical molecule l
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 4:17 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 3:50 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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>
>> * > in my view, consciousness entails a continuous flow of experience.*
>>
>
> If I could instantly stop all physical processes that are going on in
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio
>> wrote:
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>>> And yes, I'm arguing that a true simul
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:05 PM Jesse Mazer wrote:
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>
> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:34 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote:
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>>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past ea
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote:
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>>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each
erren
> Getting slightly off topic, I don't think substrate likely matters as far
> as producing consciousness. The only possible way I could see that it
> would is if quantum effects are actually involved in generating it that we
> can't reasonably replicate. That said, I t
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:15 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 5:56 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of
>> chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your
>> de
ally undeniable, and you have people who'd rather not talk about it,
hand-wave it away, or outright deny it. That's the talking-past that
usually happens, and that's what's happening here.
Terren
>
> Jason
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 2:47 AM Sta
most part, although I think
> they are showing some potentially emergent, interesting behaviors.
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:58 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Take a migraine headache - if that's just a symbol, then why does that
>> symbol *feel* *bad* whi
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:32 AM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
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>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 14:23, Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:14 AM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 May
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:14 AM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
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>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 13:37, Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:13 PM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 May
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:13 PM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
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>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:48, Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:42 PM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Ma
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:42 PM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:03, Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:34 PM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 May
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:34 PM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 07:56, Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>> Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of
>> chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your
&
Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of
chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your
definition of Turing Test, it passes with flying colors in many, many
contexts. It would take a much stricter Turing Test than we might have
imagined this time
On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 8:49 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 7:31 AM Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
> *> My intuition is that if we are going to successfully imitate biology we
>> must model the various neurotransmitters.*
>
>
> That is not my intuition. I see nothing sacred in hormones
On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:37 AM John Clark wrote:
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>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:29 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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> >> If you were on a debate team and given the side that children should
>>> be allowed to play on the highway could you have made a better cas
But why would anyone sacrifice so much of their own money to do that? I
think he is probably a genius, but everybody has blind spots, and anyone is
capable of making dumb mistakes. This looks like a colossal failure to me.
By the way, if there is a bright spot to inviting Trump back, it's that it
is that people seem to be more or less ok with
> this, when there is overwhelming evidence that a better systems is possible.
>
> Telmo
>
> Am Do, 14. Jul 2022, um 14:34, schrieb Terren Suydam:
>
> Hi Telmo,
>
> I’d want to know how they adjust for price differences
, for fear of the
>> bill. I think that another country were this is the case is South Korea. A
>> colleague told me that it is common there for people there to invest in a
>> second home, to use it to pay for the health bill in case they get cancer
>> or something serious l
Hi Telmo,
I’d want to know how they adjust for price differences between countries,
as that could be a subtle way to introduce bias. But as an American and
assuming the above is kosher, it doesn’t surprise me at all. Health care
here is a worst case scenario. It’s the result of decades of anti
com
joy the current
> achievement?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terren Suydam
> To: Everything List
> Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2022 11:01 am
> Subject: What Bodies Think About: Bioelectric Computation Outside the
> Nervous System
>
>
> A talk by Michael Levin on the comput
A talk by Michael Levin on the computational abilities of ordinary cells
and how this capacity helps all organisms to respond and adapt to novel
situations, and also its role in embryogenesis and regeneration of body
parts in the animals that can do it. Presented at an AI conference. Worth
the whol
I'm not accusing Lemoine of fabricating this. But what assurances could be
provided that it wasn't? I couldn't help notice that Lemoine does refer to
himself as an ex-convict.
Terren
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 6:22 PM John Clark wrote:
> A Google AI engineer named Blake Lemoine was recently suspe
Imagine being the cosmonaut charged with making such an adjustment. The ISS
has always been a mission of cooperation and this threat is totally
anathema to that. I would hope that such a person would refuse the order
and suffer the consequences. Of course, I'm assuming such a maneuver would
require
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:58 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 6:34 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> The problem with the real world of human enterprise (i.e. the domain in
>> which talk of replacing human programmers is relevant) is that AIs
>> currently
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 5:25 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 5:12 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> When you learned how to code did you have to reinvent all the
>>> programming languages and techniques and do it all on your own with no help
>>>
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 4:24 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:34 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> Terren, we both know that's not the way AlphaCode works, it's a bit
>>> more complicated than that.
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 6:24 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
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> AlphaCode is not capable of reading code. It's a clever version of monkeys
> typing on typewriters until they bang out a Shakespeare play. Still counts
> as AI, but cannot be said to understand code.
>
>
> What does it mean "to read code"? I
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 5:18 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 3:51 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> * > I dug a little deeper into how AlphaCode works. It generates millions
>> of candidate solutions using a model trained on github code. It then
>> filters
On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 6:18 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:34 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> Look at this code for a subprogram and make something that does the
>>> same thing but is smaller or runs faster or both. And that's not a toy
&g
On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 4:47 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 12:36 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> I'll make you a deal, I'll tell you "what problem it is trying to
>>> solve" if you first tell me how long a piece of string is. And i
d we believe it? It can't explain it to us.
>
> Brent
>
> On 2/4/2022 8:55 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
> I think for programmers to lose their jobs to AIs, AIs will need to grasp
> the problem domain, and I'm suggesting that's far too advanced for today's
On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 4:06 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 7:20 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *>>> AlphaCode can potentially improve its code, but to what end? What
>>>> problem is it trying to solve? How does it know?*
>>>>
complex for us to see what will happen and so we use the
> computer to tell us what will happen. The computer can't "explain the
> result" to us and we can't grasp the whole domain of the computation, but
> we can grasp the result.
>
> Brent
>
> On 2/3/2022
Being able to grasp the problem domain is not the same thing as being
effective in it.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:07 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
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> I think "able to grasp the problem domain we're talking about" is giving
> us way to much credit. Every study of stock traders I've seen says that
> they
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:22 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:23 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>
>> *>AlphaCode can potentially improve its code, but to what end? What
>> problem is it trying to solve? How does it know?*
>>
>
> I don'
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 4:27 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 2:11 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> > *the code generated by the AI still needs to be understandable*
>
>
> Once AI starts to get to be really smart that's never going to happen,
> even
It'll still be some time before programmers start losing jobs to AI coders.
AlphaCode is impressive to be sure, but the real world is not made of toy
problems. Deepmind is clearly making progress in terms of applying AI in
ways that are not defined in narrow domains, but there's a lot of levels to
This is indeed a historic moment for AI - protein folding is unbelievably
complex and to now have a tool that can deal with that complexity is of
inestimable value. But I do have these concerns:
- It will be tempting to assume that DeepMind is correct on any given
structure. But we don't hav
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:09 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:53 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *>>> All you've succeeded in doing is showing your preference for a
>>>> particular theory *
>>>>
>>>
>>> &
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 5:24 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:10 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >>>> I proposed a question, "How is it possible that evolution managed to
>>>>> produce consciousness?" and I gave the only answer to t
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:04 PM John Clark wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 12:24 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> I proposed a question, "How is it possible that evolution managed to
>>> produce consciousness?" and I gave the only answer to that qu
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:37 PM John Clark wrote:
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>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:47 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>
> Finding a theory is not a problem, theories are a dime a dozen
>>> consciousness theories doubly so. But how could you ever figure out if
>
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:38 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 9:48 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>
>> *>I think it's possible there was consciousness before there was
>> intelligence,*
>>
>
> I very much doubt it, but of course nobody wi
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:08 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 9:34 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> A theory would give you a way to predict what kinds of beings are
>> capable of feeling pain*
>>
>
> Finding a theory is not a problem, theories a
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:13 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 6:18 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> If you believe in Darwinian evolution and if you believe you are
>>> conscious then given that evolution can't select for what it can't
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:57 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:15 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everyt
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:15 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/28/2021 4:40 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 7:25 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everyt
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 7:25 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/28/2021 3:17 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:51 PM John Clark wrote:
>
>> On Wed, A
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:51 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 4:48 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *>>> testimony of experience constitutes facts about consciousness.*
>>>
>>>
>>> >> Sure I agree, provided you first accept
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 4:08 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:50 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> testimony of experience constitutes facts about consciousness.*
>
>
> Sure I agree, provided you first accept that consciousness is the
> inevitable byp
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:15 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 2:39 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> Forget BF Skinner, this is more general than consciousness or
>>> behavior. If you want to explain Y at the most fundamental level from first
>>>
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:02 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/28/2021 11:39 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
> >
> > I'm interested in a theory of consciousness that can tell me, among
> >
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 12:06 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:17 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> We should always pay attention to all relevant *BEHAVIOR**,* including
>>> *BEHAVIOR* such as noises produced by the mouths of other people.
>&
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:15 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:32 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> John - do you have any response?*
>>
>
> If you insist.
>
> >> It's not hard to make progress in consciousness research, it's
&
John - do you have any response?
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:38 AM Terren Suydam
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:22 AM John Clark wrote:
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>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 1:08 AM Terren Suydam
>> wrote:
>>
>> *> consciousness is harder to work with tha
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:22 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 1:08 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> consciousness is harder to work with than intelligence, because it's
>> harder to make progress.*
>
>
> It's not hard to make progress in
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:27 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/26/2021 11:11 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>
> Sure - although it seems possible that there could be intelligences that
> are not consc
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 1:27 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> However, in a certain sense, intelligence is easier because it's
> constrained. Intelligence can be tested. It's certainly more practical,
> which makes intelligence easier to study as
o inform decisions. Julian Jaynes wrote a book about how this
> may have come about, "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the
> Bicameral Mind". I don't know that he got it exactly right, but I think he
> was on to the right idea.
>
I agree!
Terren
>
&
ering
independently from its effects on outward behavior?
On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 11:16 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:45 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
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> > It's impossible to refute solipsism
>>
>
> True, but it's equally impossible to refute
ated by
other people. It just requires belief.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:39 AM Henrik Ohrstrom
wrote:
> That would be, it is quite solipsistic?
> /henrik
>
>
> Den mån 26 apr. 2021 kl 14:31 skrev Terren Suydam >:
>
>> Assuming the program has a state and that state chan
Assuming the program has a state and that state changes in response to its
inputs, then it seems reasonable to say the program is conscious in some
elemental way. What is it conscious "of", though? I'd say it's not
conscious of anything outside of itself, in the same way we are not
conscious of any
This is how I see it as well. All possible worlds already exist in a
platonic sense, and one's experience represents a single path traversed
through the infinite multitude of possibilities. This connects nicely to
the universal dovetailer idea.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 8:19 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote
I love everything about fractals, chaos theory, and so on, and Wolfram's
latest idea here seems really rich and potentially highly explanatory.
But let's say he can fairly convincingly say, we found it, this is the
hypergraph rule to rule them all, it leads to gravity and quantum
mechanics, and so
tiose; and
> probably the "exists" too.
>
> Brent
>
> On 2/19/2020 7:16 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
> That's my view as well. However, the original article made reference to
> "absolute truth", and whether that concept is sensible. Thinking of
> Des
That's my view as well. However, the original article made reference to
"absolute truth", and whether that concept is sensible. Thinking of
Descartes' famous "I think, therefore I am", the word "I" is suspect, but
we can do away with that and say it's absolutely true that "consciousness
exists", an
x27;t we have
> built a better, smarter version of us ? The AI surely would be able to
> build another one and by iterating, a better one.
>
> What's wrong with this ?
>
> Quentin
>
> Le ven. 12 juil. 2019 à 06:28, Terren Suydam a
> écrit :
>
>> Sure, but that&
r' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Advances in intelligence can just be gaining more factual knowledge,
> knowing more mathematics, using faster algorithms, etc. None of that is
> barred by not being able to model oneself.
>
> Brent
>
>
Similarly, one can never completely understand one's own mind, for it would
take a bigger mind than one has to do so. This, I believe, is the best
argument against the runaway-intelligence scenarios in which sufficiently
advanced AIs recursively improve their own code to achieve ever increasing
adv
Hi Pierz,
Your writings remind me very much of the work of Gilles Deleuze, a
philosopher who similarly shifted ontology from *identity* to *relation, *and
explored many interesting consequences of making that shift. My exposure to
him came from the excellent Philosophize This podcast, which dedica
I'll add my voice to those asking you to put up or shut up. Produce an act
of telepathy. You name the terms, since you're the one making the claim
that you can do it.
But you won't do it, because you can't. That's my clairvoyant prediction.
On Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:37 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everyt
terialism ?
>
> On Friday, 17 May 2019 17:20:03 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote:
>>
>> If there isn't a word for this, there should be, to name the situation
>> when someone makes some insulting claim that is best understood as a
>> projection of one's own justi
If there isn't a word for this, there should be, to name the situation when
someone makes some insulting claim that is best understood as a projection
of one's own justified fear of how they're perceived. Trump does it all the
time.
On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:05 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything Li
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