Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb The killing of anybody is wrong. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 14:19:38 Subject: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality On 1/27/2013 3:28 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Germany has always been antisemit

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-27 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 Roger Clough wrote: > Germany has always been antisemitic > Thanks to that pioneering antisemitic crusader, Martin Luther. > Hitler just organized the killing jews, And the writings of Luther and Hitler on the Jews are almost indistinguishable, if you didn't know you'd b

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-27 Thread John Mikes
OK, careless connotation. JM On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi John Mikes > > Luther did not motivate anybody to kill jews. > > > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* John Mikes > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-26, 16:24:49 > *Subject:

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:58:15 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi John Mikes > > Luther did not motivate anybody to kill jews. > > > Why would you think that could possibly be true? If the head of Coca-Cola began a weekly TV program about how your house should be burned down, and th

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-27 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Germany has always been antisemitic, Hitler just organized the killing jews, who unfortunately were also socialists/communists but anyway, Luther's writings were done somewhat obscurely in the 16th century. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-27 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Mikes Luther did not motivate anybody to kill jews. - Receiving the following content - From: John Mikes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-26, 16:24:49 Subject: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality Brent: you do beware of the "leader" - "follower" position. If a leader ac

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 Roger Clough wrote: > 1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of > the jews. > By his own words Luther advocated stupidity, and now you admit he was a hate filled racist demagog; so the man was stupid and the man was evil. So I repeat my earlie

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:25:40 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi meekerdb > > 1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of > the jews. > "In 1543 Luther published *On the Jews and Their Lies* in which he says that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that i

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Theology (beliefs) is objective and rational, but religiouis experience (faith) is subjective. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-25, 15:08:15 Subject: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality On 24 Jan 2013, a

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb 1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of the jews. 2. You have to have faith in God, not somethning else. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-25, 16:42:44 Subject: Re: Martin Luther o

Re: Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough wrote: > the ancient jews in the BC era knew nothing > Not far from the truth. > of the ancient myths, > If they knew anything at all it was useless crap like that. > “There is little notice of the Persian god [Mithra] in the Roman world > until the beginnin

Re: Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 25, 2013 1:59:53 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi John Clark > > That's all made-up stuff put on the web by people such as you. > Not by the worldwide liberal conspiracy? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" gro

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough wrote: > the Bible provided western man with a completely new, revolutionary view > of existence > New?! The Bible is just a rehash of other Bronze age myths that it plagiarized from older religions. The Persian God Mithra, popular in 600 BC, was the son of the

Re: Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark No, I let science be science and religion be religion. Different languages, different meanings. You're confusing the two. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-25, 11:29:01 Subject: Re: Re: Martin Luth

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough wrote: > Other than Luther's ancient views on astronomy, > How about Luther's views on geology? How about his view that the Earth was less than six thousand years old, do you agree with that? > as a modern Lutheran Which apparently is nearly identical to a

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Yes, and science first thought that germs spontaneously were generated like worms in decaying material. And Aruistotle thought that there were celestial spheres. And blood-letting was a healthy thing to do. Etc. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver:

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb I completely disagree. Regardless of the Church, which is a human activity, the Bible provided western man with a completely new, revolutionary view of existence that has become the basis for science. The Bible, as far as I know, is the only sacred scripture that is choronological

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi Roger: Luther contributed indirectly to modern science by adopting the Duns Scoto and the Occam rejection of universals. The Lutheran mindset was more concentrated in the study of particular phisical things and rejected speculation This gave the modern meaning of the world science. (I will not

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona Luther wasn't a rationalist, and so contributed nothing to modern science. - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-24, 13:26:59 Subject: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality 2013/1/24 meekerdb On 1/

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark, Other than Luther's ancient views on astronomy, and only with regard to salvation or damnation, as a modern Lutheran I agree with everything Luther said, although I might temper down his invective, which was intended for the Pope. In that spirit, everything Luther said was correct