Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 14, 2012 4:28:13 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > the human genome is at least 700Mb, but yeah it's not a lot. >> > > Let's see, the human genome is about 3 billion base pairs long, there are > 4 bases so e

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-14 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > the human genome is at least 700Mb, but yeah it's not a lot. > Let's see, the human genome is about 3 billion base pairs long, there are 4 bases so each base can represent 2 bits and there are 8 bits per byte. That comes out to 750 meg, so

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
...@verizon.net 9/14/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 16:26:42 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that ther

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-14 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 16:26:42 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Statistically, shouldn't we see this simple 1K sequence frequently in nature? > I mea

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
ed in words, imho. And the answer is ? Don't mind to much :) Bruno Best, Terren On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 4:57:44 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Not to mention, simpler patterns reminiscent of the output of some > iterative cellular automata do show up in nature. > > See http://www.wolframscience.c

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-13 Thread Terren Suydam
Not to mention, simpler patterns reminiscent of the output of some iterative cellular automata do show up in nature. See http://www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/page-423 for an example of sea-shell patterns that look an awful lot like some of the patterns in his book A New Kind of Science. On Thu

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 4:26:45 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > Statistically, shouldn't we see this simple 1K sequence frequently in >> nature? I mean precisely. Shouldn't there be hundreds of species of beetle >> tha

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-13 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Statistically, shouldn't we see this simple 1K sequence frequently in > nature? I mean precisely. Shouldn't there be hundreds of species of beetle > that have patterns on their backs which are derived exclusively from the > Mandelbot set. >

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:05:34 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: > > > > > >> They don't come from the simple definition. They come from your retina >> and visual cortex. That's what I am trying to tell you. There is nothing >> there but the meaningless seed. >> > > Were do you propose my retina

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:06:44 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: > >> >> >> On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:20:49 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Look how l

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:06:44 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:20:49 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Look how lawful and rich a very simple program, less than 1K, can define: >> >

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 14:55:35 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:29, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough > wrote: > >> Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonom

Re: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-12, 07:31:17 Subject: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, Hi Roger, Thank you for the link to Steve Wolfram's new book. What he s

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
-list Time: 2012-09-12, 06:45:04 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On 12 Sep 2012, at 12:22, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, and Steve Wolfram has come up with a similar idea of building the universe from very small units in "A New Kind of Science."

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
no Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 14:55:35 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:29, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough > wrote: > >> Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous funct

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
ugh, rclo...@verizon.net > 9/12/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content - > From: Bruno Marchal > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-11

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
: 2012-09-11, 13:20:45 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design.

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
ough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/12/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 13:20:45 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Jason Resch
On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:20:49 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Look how lawful and rich a very simple program, less than 1K, can define: Statistically, shouldn't we see this simple 1K sequence frequently in nature? Well

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:20:49 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > Look how lawful and rich a very simple program, less than 1K, can define: > Statistically, shouldn't we see this simple 1K sequence frequently in nature? I mean precisely. Shouldn't there be hundreds of species of b

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:29, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, so over-layers are not only forbidden, they are not needed. But God does have to follow laws he already created. If you jum

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Terren Suydam
ren On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Bruno Marchal > > If I ever doubt that there is a God, > the regularity of Newton's physics or > the microscopic structure of a snowflake > disp

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design. Design cannot be made randomly. So there must be some intelli

Re: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 9/11/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list

Re: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
ing the following content - From: Stathis Papaioannou Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 09:29:46 Subject: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, > so over-laye

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, > so over-layers are not only forbidden, they are not needed. > > But God does have to follow laws he already created. > If you jump off of a building you will fall to your death. >

Re: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
rything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 09:00:27 Subject: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:41:13 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, so over-layers are not only forbidden, they are not neede

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
9/11/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2012-09-11, 08:01:52 > *Su

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
f I ever doubt that there is a God, On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:29:00 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design. Design can

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:29:00 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Bruno Marchal > > If I ever doubt that there is a God, > the regularity of Newton's physics or > the microscopic structure of a snowflake > dispels such doubt. > > These show design.

If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design. Design cannot be made randomly. So there must be some intelligence interweaved in Nature. I call that God. That n