Raja Wynne, 7. Mai 2008
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Dear Contributors to the Vedic Pandit Project in America,
On this auspicious May 7, Akshaya Tritiya, the day of lasting
achievement in the Vedic calendar, I wanted to send this personal
note to everyone who has donated to the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yes, I am saying that awareness equals creation-- How could it be
otherwise? There is no a priori universe. It is a comforting idea to
believe in one-- most people do, but not one that can be proven. If
I go home
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
More ding an sich aber ding auf sich. Nicht ding auch
sich!
Tell me, y'all, is this thread worth reading? Heck, I can't
even find the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, Ruth, it is worth reading. Deltablues has been
doing a great job representing the empiricist stance
on a very old philosophical question. I've had time
to read some of the contributions, but not all. I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
[...]
The big issue (as Off World so missed in his most recent post) is
reproducibility. Was it reproduced, by an independent, unbiased
lab? If so, how
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[...]
The big issue (as Off World so missed in his most recent post) is
An occurrence so rare that it defies the imagination
has taken place and I, for one, want to encourage
everyone to celebrate it and participate in a small
contest based upon it.
The miracle in question is that Judy Stein has (by my
count) made it to Friday without using up all of her
50 posts
On May 9, 2008, at 12:26 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
The big issue (as Off World so missed in his most recent post) is
reproducibility. Was it reproduced, by an independent, unbiased lab?
If so, how many times? The big issue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would you point to wear the researchers refer to something as
samadhi?
It's referred to as rig pa cog bzhag or dmigs med snying rje in
Tibetan, which would translate resting imperturbably in presence of
awareness;
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
? where did I say one should reduce the expected effect?
I did not say that you said that, I said that reducing the expected
effect is one way to increase statistical power of a study. This is a
way to increase power of a
On May 9, 2008, at 12:56 AM, sparaig wrote:
This this is an issue with any biological sciences theory. However,
the studies that are at
issue in this case were done by teams of MUM and non-MUM
researchers (not sure if any
were non-TMing but Vaj can't complain about that since the studies
If you expect not to get something as good, lo and behold, it's not
as good, Professor Ariely said. We think of it as an objective
reality. We don't see how much is created by our mind.
A good article illustrating this. and relevant to the discussion.
Wine's Pleasures: Are They All in Your Head?
On May 9, 2008, at 1:28 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, Ruth, it is worth reading. Deltablues has been
doing a great job representing the empiricist stance
on a very old philosophical question. I've had time
to read
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip You will have time only if Jim allows you
to. He creates the world, remember?
Sorry Barr, it doesn't work that way. Despite your humorous attempt to
make me responsible for the universe you create, you have created
Sandiego108,
You definitely have the better arguments in this thread, and
additionally, most of those who are disagreeing are obviously
emotional about the issue -- which is a tell that their logic is going
to be dripping with denial. Good luck turning these heads to the light.
Okay, that said,
Sandiego108,
You definitely have the better arguments in this thread, and
additionally, most of those who are disagreeing are obviously
emotional about the issue -- which is a tell that their logic is going
to be dripping with denial. Good luck turning these heads to the light.
Okay, that said,
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@
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More ding an sich aber ding auf sich. Nicht ding auch
sich!
Tell
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Sandiego108,
You definitely have the better arguments in this thread,
No argument has been given Edg. It was a series of assertions. After
New's excellent posts I am thinking of them as poetic expressions that
have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sandiego108,
You definitely have the better arguments in this thread, and
additionally, most of those who are disagreeing are obviously
emotional about the issue -- which is a tell that their logic is
going
to be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
Sandiego108,
You definitely have the better arguments in this thread,
No argument has been given Edg. It was a series of assertions.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip You will have time only if Jim allows you
to. He creates the world, remember?
Sorry Barr, it doesn't work that way. Despite your humorous attempt to
make me responsible for the universe you create, you have
curtisdeltablues wrote: Using dreams as an analogy for being a
creator doesn't cut it with me. No one is disputing that our minds
created dreams when we sleep and fantasies when we are awake. It is
the all important jump to the material world that I was trying to
understand. Think of it this
Hey Curtis-- its been a fun one, and I cannot resist responding to
your statement above: in terms of mastery of consciousness over
matter, it is far easier to prove-- close your eyes, and plug your
ears. You are suddenly in a vast black void-- no objects sensed
except perhaps air and
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip You will have time only if Jim allows you
to. He creates the world, remember?
Sorry Barr, it doesn't work that way. Despite your humorous
Thanks Edg. This post illustrates where we differ in how we are
viewing the conversation with Jim.
Here is a short list:
1. Analogy of dreams is still not proof of anything for me concerning
our relationship with the world while waking.
2. I am not an extreme skeptic concerning my ability to
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip You will have time only if Jim allows you
to. He creates the world,
Our very own enlightened dude did not make up the
theory of different universes for different people.
There is a legit discussion about that among
physicists. And it gets zooeyer event than this.
Every time you choose this, but not that, or anytime
any number of things could have happened
The more I read quotes like these from Guru Dev, the more convinced I
am that he was just another super religious guy who preached a bunch
of beliefs. Another I know the truth about God and you don't, Jerry
Falwell in a robe.
His grandiose put down of worldly people's ability for happiness is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
No. You're ignoring what I posted from Guru Dev that there indeed IS a
universal subjective/objective reality which is ALL worthy of
pursuing. Read it again and see if it's within your capability to
comprehend it:
Jim posted:
Hey Curtis-- its been a fun one, and I cannot resist responding to
your statement above: in terms of mastery of consciousness over
matter, it is far easier to prove-- close your eyes, and plug your
ears. You are suddenly in a vast black void-- no objects sensed
except perhaps air
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The more I read quotes like these from Guru Dev, the more convinced I
am that he was just another super religious guy who preached a bunch
of beliefs. Another I know the truth about God and you don't, Jerry
The Card Clinton Is Playing
By Eugene Robinson
Friday, May 9, 2008; Page A27
From the beginning, Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if the Democratic
nomination were
hers by divine right. That's why she is falling short -- and that's why she
should be
persuaded to quit now, rather than later,
Gnosis Alone is the Spaciousness of Reality
All of samsara and nirvana is created spontaneously,
but basic gnosis itself, uncreated by anyone,
like the sky, lies beyond endeavor;
in accord with that simile
unitary spaciousness, the vast super-matrix,
stills the inflating and deflating
Bring the Knowledge to the Children
Conversation of RAJA DEAN with MAHARISHI
Excerpt from 6 April 08 Global Family Chat
Raja Dean:
I thought today that I would talk about some comments that Maharishi
made regarding the movement going forward, that I thought would be
helpful to share with
I see Hillary Clinton as intelligent and capable. However she has not proven
that in terms of the American Democratic voter population. However she has
definitely proven to be second in command and is to be dealt with and given
acknowledgment for that. She will not quit until she is
On May 9, 2008, at 12:29 PM, satvadude108 wrote:
It's still early, Clinton said Wednesday, vowing to fight on. At
some level, she seems to
believe the nomination is hers. Somebody had better tell her the
truth before she burns
the house down.
He nails it.
Sal
Raja Dean heard Maharishi say that it is important to be regular in
our practice of TM? Damn! No wonder they made you Raja. Thanks for
clearing up this obscure point.
And kids are the sales market of the future? Who knew! And where
does he suppose kids are gunna get the kind of green
Raja Dean heard Maharishi say that it is important to be regular in
our practice of TM? Damn! No wonder they made you Raja. Thanks for
clearing up this obscure point.
And kids are the sales market of the future? Who knew!
Mind numbing repetition of the basic sales pitch stopped being cute
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To view and listen to the replay of this Global Family Chat click
on
the link below and then select Apr 6th.
http://www.globalcountry.org/EasyWeb.asp?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim posted:
Hey Curtis-- its been a fun one, and I cannot resist responding to
your statement above: in terms of mastery of consciousness over
matter, it is far easier to prove-- close your eyes, and plug your
On Tuesday she said she would work hard for Obama
Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 9, 2008, at 12:29 PM,
satvadude108 wrote:
It's still early, Clinton said Wednesday, vowing to fight on. At some level,
she seems to
believe the nomination is hers. Somebody had better tell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Curtis-- its been a fun one, and I cannot resist responding
to
your statement above: in terms of mastery of consciousness over
matter, it is far easier to prove-- close your eyes, and plug
your
ears.
The group FairfieldLife is temporarily unavailable
The group FairfieldLife is temporarily unavailable
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
In philosophy circles, this is known as the I have
my eyes closed and my ears plugged...I can't HEAR you,
I can't SEE you, therefore you don't
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wrote:
In philosophy circles, this is known as the I have
my eyes closed and
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wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
snip
No. You're ignoring what I posted from Guru Dev that there indeed IS a
universal subjective/objective reality which is ALL worthy of
pursuing.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
In philosophy circles, this is known as the I have
my eyes closed and my
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wrote:
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wrote:
snip
No. You're ignoring what I posted from Guru Dev that there
indeed IS
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On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: Practice Makes perfect, Bring the
Knowledge to the Children
HYPERLINK
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snip
As far as I can tell, the universe is the
*cooperative* co-creation of all of the sentient
beings that compose it. Each of them contributes
a piece of the puzzle -- each perceiving and, on
a quantum level,
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The Card Clinton Is Playing
By Eugene Robinson
Friday, May 9, 2008; Page A27
From the beginning, Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if
the Democratic nomination were hers by divine right.
snort
That's why she
ON DEADLINE: Obama walks arrogance line
By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writer
Mon Mar 17, 1:57 AM ET
Arrogance is a common vice in presidential politics. A person must be
more than a little self-important to wake up one day and say, I
belong in the Oval Office.
But there's a line smart
Reprehensible to you because it clearly and truthfully
lays out the situation. The Hill and Bill show stooped
to new lows in this race. No way will she be offered VP.
Chronic lying race baiters don't make good running
mates.
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Ms. Stein is quite fond of taking a post and providing
her translation.
This is not the first time she has accused Barack
of being arrogant.
Translation: arrogant=uppity
Judy is just like Geraldine Ferraro wondering why
the little negroes just won't stay in their place and
be thankful for all
Analysis: 'Hillary Democrats' could be up for grabs
By NEDRA PICKLER Associated Press Writer
May 9th, 2008
WASHINGTON -- With the racially tinged Democratic race drawing to an
awkward close, Barack Obama and John McCain face the challenge of
winning over Hillary Democrats the white,
On May 9, 2008, at 5:50 PM, satvadude108 wrote:
Ms. Stein is quite fond of taking a post and providing
her translation.
This is not the first time she has accused Barack
of being arrogant.
Translation: arrogant=uppity
Judy is just like Geraldine Ferraro wondering why
the little negroes just
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No doubt there are some racists among them, but they
have plenty of other reasons not to vote for Obama.
***Translation: His wife is also black.***
Very ugly straw man. *Nobody* in the Clinton camp
believes
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No doubt there are some racists among them, but they
have plenty of other reasons not to vote for Obama.
***Translation: His wife is also black.***
Very ugly straw man. *Nobody* in the Clinton camp
believes
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 9, 2008, at 5:50 PM, satvadude108 wrote:
Ms. Stein is quite fond of taking a post and providing
her translation.
This is not the first time she has accused Barack
of being arrogant.
Translation:
Those silly negroes do need to know their place!
--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 9, 2008, at 5:50 PM, satvadude108 wrote:
Ms. Stein is quite fond of taking a post and
providing
her translation.
This is not the first time she has accused Barack
of being arrogant.
Responding to satvadude's and Sal's posts...
Re Robinson's column:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Reprehensible to you because it clearly and truthfully
lays out the situation.
Uh, no, it's reprehensible because it's
disgracefully false.
The
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On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:31 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: Practice
Makes perfect, Bring the
Knowledge to
China is so determined to suppress opposition to its rule in Tibet
that it has instituted a law regulating reincarnation. It's now
illegal for Tibetan lamas to be reincarnated without first having
applied for and received authorization from the Chinese government.
--- My theory: in general, irrespective of certained named
individuals, there is a non-dual Neo-Advaitic state in which finite
mind has lost the capacity to distinguish between Self and not-Self;
and thus is not truly non-dual. Unfortunately, such a state may be
quite far from true
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.
I seriously
doubt she'd consider being Obama's running
mate. I'd certainly advise against it. Did
you hallucinate that I suggested it?
I hope you can catch your breath and stop hyperventilating
by tomorrow. You have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- My theory: in general, irrespective of certained named
individuals, there is a non-dual Neo-Advaitic state in which finite
mind has lost the capacity to distinguish between Self and not-Self;
and thus is not truly
Well, arrogant or not, Obama ain't gonna win against the white guy in
November. Bad for the country, but maybe Obama would have regretted it -
- he certainly would have needed some new bodyguards (remember Indira
Gandhi!):
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/washington/10inquire.html
The Bradley costs more than $3 million dollars, but it's getting
slammed by a few bucks worth of leftover Iraqi shells:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/05/10/bradleys/index.html
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Scientific American Mind - May 1, 2008
Buried Prejudice: The Bigot in Your Brain Deep within our subconscious,
all of us harbor biases that we consciously abhor. And the worst part
is: we act on them
By Siri Carpenter
Yes
--Thanks curtis - answers below:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote:
--- My theory: in general, irrespective of certained named
individuals, there is a non-dual Neo-Advaitic state in
Yeah, proly not enough to matter much out in the larger spiritual
market place. Plays still as a bunch of upper income gold cap and
white robe thinking they can mitigate their price and keep it 'high
value'. Kind of out of touch.
They might have a chance of becoming a cultural influence
Why pay 2000 or 1000 to learn TM when a person can pay 200 to learn Sahaj?
I do TM I paid 55.00 for my first technique in 1974. Advanced techniques and
sidhis and all of that well another story. But 2000 for the TM technique and
I probably would never have learned TM.
dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--Thanks curtis - answers below:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote:
--- My theory: in general, irrespective
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