--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --If it were that easy to "Let Go" of dogma, or anything else, that
> would be wonderful, wouldn't it. But, the lesson maybe, that which
> there is the most resistance to, is where we need to "bust the
> presumpt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam"
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> authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's like watching Doug Henning perform his
> > > close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's
> > > a trick, but that doesn't help you see through
> > > it, bec
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> \
>
> P.S.: The explanation should probably be given
> by someone for whom the authentic inquiry has
> actually triggered realization.
>
>
> \
>
> All that there is, is God.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> One thing I have noted is that any trace of judgementalism in one of
> my
> > posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't have to wait
very
> long.
> >
> > L B S
>
> Isn't instant karma supposed to be a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Which is why this intellectualization is
> > useless, either for encouragement or for
> > putting people down.
> >
> > All it does is push things back a level:
> >
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
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> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
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> > >
> > >
> > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
big snip
> Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few
> chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's
> much more important than spouting theory about
> enlightenment... :-)
I agree most emphati
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's like watching Doug Henning perform his
> > > close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's
> > > a trick, but that doesn't help you see through
> > > it, bec
--- lurkernomore20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> Strange, simply strange how differently people read
> a person's intent.
>
> lurk
You're not fooling anyone, lurk, with your constant
snide put-downs of me! Ha! I'm onto you and your
anti-TM ways.
>
>
>
>
> To subscribe, send a
authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It's like watching Doug Henning perform his
> > close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's
> > a trick, but that doesn't help you see through
> > it, because it's so well done. Something *else*
> > has to happen for you to perceive the trick.
>
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to explore their
views,
> > others come to consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissi
In that regard, it's astonishing that
*anybody*who has realized their enlightenment can teachthose still in
ignorance to realize their ownenlightenment. It's the blind (blind to
ignorance)leading the blind (blind to enlightenment).To the
extent that one has faith in the lineage, and on
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From: Robert Gimbel
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone
reaching 2nd stage flying?
---Eckhart Tolle in all of his writings and experiences attemp
---Eckhart Tolle in all of his writings and experiences attempts to
describe the enlightened state to the rest of us; he gives many
examples of: how to become aware of what he calls "Presence".
Become aware of the witness, he tries to give immediate awareness of
the "Now Moment".
I have found hi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --If it were that easy to "Let Go" of dogma, or anything else, that
> would be wonderful, wouldn't it.
Hey, sometimes it take years to realize that some of
our assumptions *came* from dogma, much less
let go of
--If it were that easy to "Let Go" of dogma, or anything else, that
would be wonderful, wouldn't it. But, the lesson maybe, that which
there is the most resistance to, is where we need to "bust the
presumption, and grow to a higher understanding.
The less we hold to dogma, and assumptions, the m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to explore their views,
> others come to consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissing
> contests begin with those who come to consolidate.
Very perceptive. Those wh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But if one could for a second remember the qualities of
consciousness when not in meditation and then realize that life simply
cannot exist even when ignorant, outside of those qualities, and also
accept that ignoranc
\P.S.: The explanation should probably be givenby someone
for whom the authentic inquiry hasactually triggered
realization.\
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One thing I have noted is that any trace of judgementalism in one of
my
> posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't have to wait very
long.
>
> L B S
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>
> I've been on this forum several months and have been subject to my
> share of putdowns. It's opinions. I'll let others decide for
> themselves which opinions are valuable or which ones are off the wall.
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From: TurquoiseB
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone
reaching 2nd stage flying?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
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> >
> >
> > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> > > <[EMAIL PRO
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>
>
> --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic
> > > approaches
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
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> wrote:
> > This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic
> > approaches that fail to explain how an initial
> > intellectual understanding t
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic
> > approaches that fail to explain how an initial
> > intellectual understanding that one is "already
> > enligh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The baggage from alt med is getting old for me.
> There's been a spate of spats and my opinion is
> they don't prove anything.
As I pointed out in a previous post, you FFL old-
timers have your own baggage. There
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic
> approaches that fail to explain how an initial
> intellectual understanding that one is "already
> enlightened" can be utilized to trigger realization.
> If this un
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > > You can take it back as many levels as you like
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > You can take it back as many levels as you like,
> > but still the bottom line is that something
> > *else* has to happen before you see
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I like the fact that their approach doesn't deal with excuses.
> So many other techniques and traditions have an *excuse*
> for why more students don't realize enlightenment (they're
> full of stress, they're not seriou
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flaneg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> And does understanding that you are attached
> to not perceiving the trick help you perceive
> the trick? No, something *else* has to happen.
>
>
> I have the trick for you, but you wouldn't believe me.
And
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "jim_flanegin"
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> "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Even Guru Dev told his Master something like: first teach me to be
> self-sufficient, then teach me about enlightenment, so you're in good
> company. I'll have to look up the real quote - I think it's in "The
> Whol
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> The "there is a path to enlightenment" /
> "there is something wrong with you that must be corrected
> if you're not experiencing enlightenment" paradigm is *very*
> popular, but far from the only approach.
"In dealing
And does understanding that you are attachedto not perceiving
the trick help you perceivethe trick? No, something *else* has to
happen.
I have the trick for you, but you wouldn't believe
me.
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundru
> But please do tell what I would get from studying Rama.
You do know I have seen him a few times when I was a kid. As well as Pat
Collins.I don't know exactly. In some ways his style would have
seemed well suited to your personality. He seemed to push the envelope
in his ways, and you
IMO, this is called missing the point. It's
the feeling of being overshadowed that isn't real.
-It just depends doesn't it? For
instance, a fish hawker comes home overshadowed by the smell of fish. That's not
imagination to his wife. Though it might even be his imagination that he sme
--Helping the world or being over-shadowed? Who is helping the
world, and who is being overshadowed?
If you mean, that you are helping the world when you are positive
and loving, and you are not helping anything when you are in fear
and seperation, and ego.
Then, it is the same; you help the wo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > See? Attachment.
> > >
> > > so say we all...
> >
> > Actually, not all. The "there is a path to enlightenment" /
> > "there is som
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > > > > Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the
> > > > > > time day after day doing program is to no
> > > > > > longer be overshadowed.
> > > > >
> > > > > You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that y
> > > > > Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the
> > > > > time day after day doing program is to no
> > > > > longer be overshadowed.
> > > >
> > > > You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you
> > > > believe
> > > > the duality- that there is something external to you. Its
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
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> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Not that one can be out of the phenomenal
There is a person in Fairfield who has seen an elderly sidha now
deceaced who levitated regularly before he got the flying sutra. After
that his levitating stopped. This person has photos of him in the air,
and I would give you his name but I'm not sure he wants that given out.
Believe it or not
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the
> > time day after day doing program is to no
> > longer be overshadowed.
>
> You ar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
[lurkernomore wrote:]
> > > A curious, perhaps side point here, is Unc's proposition that
> > > even if quite verifiable obje
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: authfriend
> But if somebody told me, Well, you have a
> choice: by doing program you can *either*
> help the world *or* no longer be overshadowed,
> I think--or I'd like to thi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Not that one can be out of the phenomenal realm. But rather,
> > as you suggested Judy, the desire isn't potent enough to make
> > it a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
snip
> But please do tell what I would get from studying Rama. You do know
I have seen him a few times when I was a kid. As well as Pat Collins.
I don't know exactly. In some ways his style would have seemed well
sui
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > Not that one can be out of the phenomenal realm. But rather,
> > as you suggested Judy, the desire isn't potent enough to make
> > it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Its this clinging to ones own view of what the word "real" means,
> > and not seeing or acknowledging what the other may mean by the
- Original Message -
From: authfriend
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone
reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"Llundrub" &l
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is
> > playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to f
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
snip
>
> After a cursory reading of several of the testimonials, I have
> concluded that you were the victim of a cult, Unc, and that you were
> both brainwashed and hypnotized.
>
> You did NOT witness actual levit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
snip
> You are fooling yourself. No one would fucking notice if
> scientific proof of levitation was found tomorrow. Nothing
> would happen. People would read about it and do exactly
> what you are doing right now.
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not that one can be out of the phenomenal realm. But rather,
> as you suggested Judy, the desire isn't potent enough to make
> it a real go. I have no doubt that someone will break through.
> Someone who wants to hover e
It would take repeated demonstrations, but itwould eventaully
sink in, most likely because atleast some reputable scientists, after
theirinitial shock and dismay, would want to take upthe extraordinary
challenge of revising scienceto incorporate it. Scientific curiosity
can beincredibly p
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[Shemp wrote:]
> > All I'm asking for is a reasonably honest employment of the
> > word "real".
>
> What you're asking for is a definition of levitation that
> can be verified by someone outside of yourself. You
> are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 24, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>
> >> World enlightenment.
> >
> > Do you seriously believe the pursuit of relative phenomena will
bring
> > about world enlightenment?
>
> Radiating the thought of enligh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 24, 2005, at 10:52 AM, authfriend wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Jul 24, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Llundrub wrote:
> >>> Fuckin nerdy know-it-all. How was this t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > That's actually why Doug was so good at close-up magic.
> > There was no "other hand." In the trick I'm thinking about,
> > he was si
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> That's actually why Doug was so good at close-up magic.
> There was no "other hand." In the trick I'm thinking about,
> he was sitting cross-legged with both bare arms stretching
> out in front of him, palms down,
> > The levitation I and thousands of other people witnessed
> > *was* real. We saw it. We felt it.
> >
> > Shemp's upset because our experience doesn't match
> > his fantasy of what such an experience "should" be like,
>
> My "fantasy"?
Yes, your fantasy.
> All I'm asking for is a reasonabl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Misdirection is how close-up magic is done. (Unless,
> > of course, one is doing *real* magic.) People who are
> > really good at it are really good at it because the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > Okay. You are of this opinion. I don't understand all
> > > > > this ang> >
> > > >
> > > > Let him say: "I witnessed what appe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > > Okay. You are of this opinion. I don't understand all
> > > > this ang> >
> > >
> > > Let him say: "I witnessed what appeared to me to be
levitation",
> > > not 'I witnessed REAL levitation'.
> > >
> > > I don
- Original Message -
From: Vaj
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of
anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On Jul 24, 2005, at 10:52 AM, authfriend wrote:> --- In Fairf
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTEC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 24, 2005, at 10:52 AM, authfriend wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> On Jul 24, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Llundrub wrote:
> >>> Fuckin nerdy know-it-all. How was this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hey Jim! Many thanks. A few responses interleaved below:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> Rory wrote:
> > > Indeed there is a clear sense of the quickening or
Hey Jim! Many thanks. A few responses interleaved below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Rory wrote:
> > Indeed there is a clear sense of the quickening or raising of
the
> > vibration of the physical body before these fluid-state
phenomena
> >
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
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> wrote:
> > Rory, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on these
> > phenomena if you care to share them. Many of us have had these
>
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> > Someone asked an honest question, I gave an hones answer.
> > That's all.
> >
> > All the pissy stuff isince has been from people who
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> Misdirection is how close-up magic is done. (Unless,
> of course, one is doing *real* magic.) People who are
> really good at it are really good at it because they're
> really good at the misdirection--so good you can't pick
> it out even when you're look
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> On Jul 24, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
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> >> World enlightenment.
> >
> > Do you seriously believe the pursuit of relative phenomena will
bring
> > about world enlightenment?
>
> Radiating the thought of enligh
On Jul 24, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>> World enlightenment.
>
> Do you seriously believe the pursuit of relative phenomena will bring
> about world enlightenment?
Radiating the thought of enlightenment for all beings works IMO and
there are many ways to do it. This is just one. Th
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> On Jul 24, 2005, at 10:52 AM, authfriend wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Jul 24, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Llundrub wrote:
> >>> Fuckin nerdy know-it-all. How was this t
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> On Jul 24, 2005, at 10:52 AM, authfriend wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Jul 24, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Llundrub wrote:
> >>> Fuckin nerdy know-it-all. How was this t
On Jul 24, 2005, at 10:52 AM, authfriend wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Jul 24, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Llundrub wrote:
>>> Fuckin nerdy know-it-all. How was this the least bit helpful.
>>
>> Give hope one hopes. I think it'd be great for sidha
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> > > On Jul 24, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Llundrub wrote:
> > > > Fuckin
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> > On Jul 24, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Llundrub wrote:
> > > Fuckin nerdy know-it-all. How was this the least bit helpful.
> >
> > Give hope one hope
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> On Jul 24, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Llundrub wrote:
> > Fuckin nerdy know-it-all. How was this the least bit helpful.
>
> Give hope one hopes. I think it'd be great for sidhas to be going
> off to Nepal or wherever and like Nike
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> > > That's actually why Doug was so good at close-up
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> > That's actually why Doug was so good at close-up magic.
> > There was no "other hand." In the trick I'm thinking about,
> > he was sitt
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> That's actually why Doug was so good at close-up magic.
> There was no "other hand." In the trick I'm thinking about,
> he was sitting cross-legged with both bare arms stretching
> out in front of him, palms down,
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> Someone asked an honest question, I gave an hones answer.
> That's all.
>
> All the pissy stuff isince has been from people who didn't like
> the answer, or what it implied about their assumptions about
> an experience
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> That's actually why Doug was so good at close-up magic.
> There was no "other hand." In the trick I'm thinking about,
> he was sitting cross-legged with both bare arms stretching
> out in front of him, palms down, hands
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> > for his big stage effects, but the man's real genius was with
> > his close-up magic. I was two feet in front of him, able to
> > move around and look at his hands from any angle I chose,
> > and I still couldn't fi
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> > > > Okay. You are of this opinion. I don't understand all
> > > > this ang> >
> > >
> > > Let him say: "I witnessed what appeared to me to be
levitation",
> > > not 'I witnessed REAL levitation'.
> > >
> > > I don
That's actually why Doug was so good at
close-up magic.There was no "other hand." In the trick I'm thinking
about,he was sitting cross-legged with both bare arms stretchingout in
front of him, palms down, hands closed. Then he'dturn both hands over,
slowly. In one hand would be a goldcoi
> I still say something good could come about from you examining
this aversion you have to Rama, other than "I know people that got side
tracked following this guy" lurkIn what way? It's sort of to late now to examine him isn't it?
Fact is, I just don't care for the pundits, especially
> for his big stage effects, but the man's real
genius was with> his close-up magic. I was two feet in front of
him, able to> move around and look at his hands from any angle I
chose,> and I still couldn't figure out how he did it.In Colo. I
used to watch "Doc" do his bar majic in Snowmass
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