--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is my observation as well. It's actually quite bizarre
to see--the defenders of the faith end up being perfect
reasons *not* to start TM.
But you have to admit it's pretty funny. All that
anyone has to do is mention
On Jul 10, 2006, at 3:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my observation as well. It's actually quite bizarre to see--the "defenders of the faith" end up being perfect reasons *not* to start TM. But you have to admit it's pretty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 10, 2006, at 3:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
This is my observation as well. It's actually quite bizarre
to see--the defenders of the faith end up being
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
This is my observation as well. It's actually quite bizarre
to see--the defenders of the faith end up being perfect
reasons *not* to start TM.
But
On Jul 10, 2006, at 12:15 AM, new.morning wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These are very parallel phenomenon but they are not
identical phenomenon. This similarity becomes even more apparent
when
you actually see the political parties and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Re: Paranoia as cult bonding mechanism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jul 9, 2006, at 1:01 PM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Same comment i just made to Vaj. Why use lablels. And particualrly,
why use false and inflamatory (IMO) labels. You and Spraig are far
from fundamentalists or True beleivers. I have written two recent
posts making and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
wrote:
snip
Judy wrote:
Quoting a recent post of mine:
The ironic part is that there are so many other
*legitimate* beefs about the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@
wrote:
Re: Paranoia as cult bonding mechanism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
[I wrote:]
Not sure why that he was INTO TM at one time should
rebut the idea that he's an anti-TMer *now*.
Point taken. But I think most teachers have a soft spot for TM, the
old days, MMY at his peak, etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 9, 2006, at 8:49 PM, new.morning wrote:
He applauds TM for what does well, such as provide
liberation (CC). And he, perhaps cautiously, admits it can
provide the
non-dual state. That sounds positive to me.
Jim Flanegin writes snipped
From personal experience, I can say that what Maharishi provides is
the complete package for Self-Realization. Is there more after that?
Of course. However, let us first get out of prison, and then after
that we can explore everything else the world has to offer.
TorquoiseB writes (snipped big time)
Since many of these well meaning students have bought into the
enlightened can do no wrong Kool-Aid, and because they consider
their teacher enlightened,
Tom T:
From todays 7/10/06 funnies Mother Goose and Grimmy on Kool Aid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've grown fascinated with this phenomenon over the last
few days, not so much on this forum (although it has
certainly shown up here), but because it's reared its ugly
head on a number of other spiritual forums that
TurqB, mine's a capuccino.
What you are going on about people trying to avoid personal criticism
by deflecting it on to others, it reminds me of something that
happened a while back, something that still galls me...
I was walking along a pavement (the stip of pathway running down the
side of a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think it's the same tendancy; Could be when one is attacking
another, on the basis of ego, then the response is to change
the subject, and attack the person who challenged the 'group';
in order to protect the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
TurqB, mine's a capuccino.
What you are going on about people trying to avoid personal
criticism by deflecting it on to others, it reminds me of
something that
happened a while back, something that still galls me...
So, you seem to agree that even the 'mighty' are as subject to the
law of karma as say you or I, yet I am convinced that a part of the
belief system espoused by TMers is a belief that any action
undertaken for the cause, is outside of the spectrum of personal
karma. The idea as passed on to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
And so how does the person whose personal behavior has
been criticized respond? By trying to portray it as
criticism of (or an attack on) the *group*, not him.
Thus suddenly you've got the person whose *personal*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
But that's the whole point. Cults don't *want* debate;
they want blind, blanket acceptance of the dogma. Those
who stray too close to thinking about the dogma critically
and testing the truth of it *have* to be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So, you seem to agree that even the 'mighty' are as subject to the
law of karma as say you or I, yet I am convinced that a part of the
belief system espoused by TMers is a belief that any action
undertaken for the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
What Barry characterizes as portray[ing]
this presentation as something other than an
intentional attempt to mislead is, in fact, *my*
personal criticism of those who have been attempting
to portray the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So, you seem to agree that even the 'mighty' are as subject to the
law of karma as say you or I, yet I am convinced that a part of the
belief system espoused by TMers is a belief that any action
undertaken for the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nowhere has Barry responded directly to my personal
criticism of his mischaracterizations of my
behavior...
Nor is he likely to, no matter how desperate Judy
gets in her attempts to lure him into an argument. :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Nowhere has Barry responded directly to my personal
criticism of his mischaracterizations of my
behavior...
Nor is he likely to, no matter how
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@
wrote:
But it reminded me of cries of anti-TM and anti-TMer
and anti-Maharishi here, so I started thinking about
what was *really* going down when
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
Same phenomenon, exactly. They have even used the terms
traitor and anti-American for anyone who challenges
their world view/dogma.
Sort of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
Nowhere has Barry responded directly to my personal
criticism of his
People all too easilly forget that the most significant prophets and
teachers were those who dispensed with orthodoxy and set up on their
own.
So, seeing the dilemma, that the movement seems to have become
moribund and publicly represented by self-congratulating sychophants,
certain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
Same phenomenon, exactly. They have even used the terms
traitor and anti-American for anyone who challenges
their world view/dogma.
Sort of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Same phenomenon, exactly. They have even used the terms
traitor and anti-American for anyone who challenges
their world view/dogma.
Sort of like
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
Same phenomenon, exactly. They have even used the terms
traitor and
Second, of course, anti-TMer is an entirely
legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj
and Curtis, routinely attack the TMO, MMY, and TMers
(individually or as a group).
Since I have been on this group I have heard far more criticism coming
from others, some of whom practice TM. Other
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Second, of course, anti-TMer is an entirely
legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj
and Curtis, routinely attack the TMO, MMY, and TMers
(individually or as a group).
Since I have been on this group
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
But that's the whole point. Cults don't *want* debate;
they want blind, blanket acceptance of the dogma. Those
who stray too close to thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People all too easilly forget that the most significant prophets and
teachers were those who dispensed with orthodoxy and set up on their
own.
So, seeing the dilemma, that the movement seems to have become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
Same
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
wrote:
So, you seem to agree that even the 'mighty' are as subject to the
law of karma as say you or I, yet I am convinced that a part of the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Nowhere has Barry responded directly to my personal
criticism of his mischaracterizations of my
behavior...
Nor is he likely to, no matter how
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Second, of course, anti-TMer is an entirely
legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj
and Curtis, routinely attack the TMO, MMY, and TMers
(individually or as a group).
Since I have been on this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Second, of course, anti-TMer is an entirely
legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj
and Curtis, routinely attack the TMO, MMY, and TMers
(individually or as a group).
Since I have been on this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
snip
But that's the whole point. Cults don't *want* debate;
they want blind,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
premanandpaul@
wrote:
So, you seem to agree that even the 'mighty' are as subject to
the
law
Americano no room here (lactose intolerant). :)
I don't know about the UK but here in the US we have a lot of goofballs
like this. We call them self-entitled and if it can be done they will
do it. I don't know how many times I back out of a head-in parking spot
in a lot with barely any room
Yes Bhairitu, I hear you, there are 'goofballs' in the US too!!! But
before we lose all hope in humanity let us pause for a few moments to
value those who actually serve (others).
And if anyone here has ever wondered what would happen to them if
they got ill, but really ill in a third world
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
But that's the whole point. Cults don't *want* debate;
they want blind,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since I have been on this group I have heard far more criticism
coming
from others, some of whom practice TM. Other than responding to
things others have put up I have not initiated any criticisms of TM.
This
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
But
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
snip
But
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
Judy wrote:
Quoting a recent post of mine:
The ironic part is that there are so many other
*legitimate* beefs about the TMO being less than
totally straightforward.
Some cult-think,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Since I have been on this group I have heard far more criticism
coming
from others, some of whom practice TM. Other than responding
On Jul 9, 2006, at 1:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:"Second, of course, "anti-TMer" is an entirely legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj and Curtis, routinely attack the TMO, MMY, and TMers (individually or as a group)." Since I have been on this group I have heard far more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 9, 2006, at 1:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Second, of course, anti-TMer is an entirely
legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj
and Curtis, routinely attack the TMO, MMY, and TMers
(individually or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 9, 2006, at 1:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Second, of course, anti-TMer is an entirely
legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj
and Curtis, routinely attack the TMO, MMY, and TMers
(individually or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jul 9, 2006, at 1:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Second, of course, anti-TMer is an entirely
legitimate label for those who, like Barry and
On Jul 9, 2006, at 8:27 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 9, 2006, at 1:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: "Second, of course, "anti-TMer" is an entirely legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj and Curtis, routinely attack
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
And I don't think you, or Unc, and certainly not rational critics
like Ken H or Rick A etc., as TM haters.
There's a difference between a TM hater and an
anti-TMer. Barry and Vaj and Curtis (not Ken or
Rick) are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 9, 2006, at 8:27 PM, new.morning wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
It's also stupid because I'm sure many of us don't see TM as a bad
thing or as a bad meditation technique,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 9, 2006, at 8:27 PM, new.morning wrote:
snip
Someone calls someone a True Beleiver. As I have observed, the
labels are often incorrect. Regardless, when labels are hurled,
particualry pejorative and/or false
On Jul 9, 2006, at 9:22 PM, new.morning wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 9, 2006, at 8:27 PM, new.morning wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
It's also stupid because I'm sure many of us don't see TM as a bad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps we should also draw a line between radical TM
fundamentalists and just plain ole TM fundamentalists so as to
not
miss the occaisional critical comments mentioned by the former and
occasionally the latter? But
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These are very parallel phenomenon but they are not
identical phenomenon. This similarity becomes even more apparent when
you actually see the political parties and streams of thought Mahesh
Varma is associated with in his
On Jul 9, 2006, at 8:49 PM, new.morning wrote:He applauds TM for what does well, such as provide liberation (CC). And he, perhaps cautiously, admits it can provide the non-dual state. That sounds "positive" to me. After studying under Patanjali and Shankaracharya tradition pundits in the 80's
Re: Paranoia as cult bonding mechanism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jul 9, 2006, at 1:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Second, of course, anti-TMer is an entirely
legitimate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 9, 2006, at 9:22 PM, new.morning wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
snip
It's a term I use fairly infrequently, and usually for brevity's
sake. I realize some people have the time
Vaj, here's a nice little concise and true label
for you: You are a liar.
Of course he is. Never thought of the objectives of this fellow ?
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