[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote:
OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to
listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking
about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims.
Perhaps you also need to review what TM claims,
for that matter.
No that's all right, it's pretty clear to me. For example he says
in
regard to the popular movie What the Bleep which prominently
features John Hagelin making some typical but rather wild (TMO
type)
claims:
For example What the Bleep Do we Know, I would say that more or
less every actual assertion they make about physical realities,
meaning quantum realities and their relationship to spiritual
reality is categorically FALSE.
It's also interesting your statement And yes, I think MMY uses
unified field as a synonym for Brahman. direcly contradicts
what
Wilber says--Wilber emphatically states that the unified field is
NOT
brahman.
FWIW:
1 kSetra n. (2. %{kSi}) landed property , land , soil (%
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , ` lord of the soil 'N. of a kind of tutelary
deity RV. AV. ii , 8 , 5 ; also [EMAIL PROTECTED] , ` mistress of
the soil ' , and [EMAIL PROTECTED] , ` the lord of the soil 'N.
of tutelary deities AV. ii , 12 , 1 VS. xvi , 18) ; ` soil of
merit ' , a Buddha or any holy person DivyA7v. ;*
a field**
(e.g. %{-traM-kR} , ` to cultivate a field ' Mn. Ya1jn5. ii ,
158 ; cf. %{sasya-kS-}) RV. c. ; place , region , country RV. AV.
iii , 28 , 3 TS. vii Sus3r. Megh. Vet. ; a house L. ; a town L. ;
department , sphere of action MBh. xiv , 126 R. c. ; place of
origin , place where anything is found Yogas. ii , 4 Sus3r. BhP.
viii , 12 , 33 ; a sacred spot or district , place of pilgrimage (as
Benares c. ; often ifc.) BrahmaP. ; an enclosed plot of ground ,
portion of space , superficies (e.g. %{sv-alpa-kS-} , of a small
circuit Ya1jn5. ii , 156) ; (in geom.) a plane figure (as a
triangle , circle , c.) enclosed by lines , any figure considered as
having geometrical dimensions Gol. ; a diagram W. ; a planetary orbit
Gan2it. ; a zodiacal sign Su1ryas. ; an astrological mansion VarBr2S.
VarBr2. i , xi ; (in chiromancy) certain portions marked out on the
palm VarBr2S. lxviii , 1 ; ` fertile soil ' , the fertile womb ,
wife Mn. Ya1jn5. ii , 127 MBh. R. S3ak. BhP. ; the body (considered
as the field of the indwelling soul) Ya1jn5. iii , 178 Bhag. xiii , 1
and 2 Kum. vi , 77 ;
(in Saankhya phil.)[kSetra] = %{a-vyakta}*
(q.v.) Tattvas. ; (%{I4}) f. only dat. %{-triyai4} for %{-triyA4t}
(AV. ii , 10 , 1) TBr. ii , 5 , 6 , 1 ; [cf. %{a4-kS-} , %{anya-} and
%{kuru-kSetra4} , %{karma-kS-} , %{deva-kS-} , %{dharma-kS-} , %{raNa-
kS-} , %{siddha-kS-} , %{su-kS-} , %{sure7zvarI-kS-} ; cf. also Goth.
{haithi} , Them. %{haithjo} ; Germ. {Heide}.]
1 *a-vyakta mfn. undeveloped , not manifest , unapparent ,
indistinct , invisible , imperceptible Up. Pa1n2. Mn. c. ; (in alg.)
unknown as quantity or number ; speaking indistinctly ; m. (= %
{paramA7tman}) the universal Spirit Mn. ix , 50 ; N. of Vishn2u L. ;
of S3iva L. ; of Ka1ma L. ; a fool L. ; N. of an Upanishad ; (%{am})
n.
*(in Saankhya phil.) ` the unevolved (Evolver of all things) '
, the primary germ of nature , primordial element or productive
principle whence all the phenomena of the material world are
developed ** [= brahma(n)??]
, Kat2haUp. Sa1n3khyak. c. ; (%{am}) ind. indistinctly.
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[FairfieldLife] Commentaries on the shiva sutras (was Quantum Consciousness )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: From the shiva sutras third awakening 24. When a yogi, after developing awareness of God Consciousness, transcends the state of Turiya, he enters into Transcendental God Consciousness. 25. Such a yogi becomes one with Shiva. 26. For him the austerity is nothing else than the normal routine of physical life. 27. And for such a yogi the daily routine talk becomes the recitation of real mantra. 28. Such a yogi gives as alms to humanity his own knowledge of the Self. 29. The yogi, who commands the entire wheel of cognitive and active organs, is the only means of attaining knowledge of Transcendental God Consciousness. 30. For him the whole universe is the totality of his own energies. 31. Living in this world of ignorance or remaining in the Transcendental God Consciousness is the totality of one's own energies of consciousness. 32. Such a yogi, though apparently engrossed in the daily routine of life, is in no way separated from God Consciousness. 33. Because such a yogi perceives the states of pain and pleasure only superficially, they, in no case, affect his state of Supreme-Being-Consciousness. 34. Hence he is liberated from the states of pain and pleasure and is uniquely established in his own nature. 35. On the contrary, the one who feels the absence of God Consciousness in the states of pain and pleasure, is an individual soul and a victim of recurring births and deaths. 36. The one who stands aloof from differentiatedness becomes the creator and destroyer of the entire universe. 37. The energy of creating and destroying the whole universe comes within the experience of such a yogi just as an ordinary soul possesses the power to create and destroy during his dreaming state. 38. The state of Turiya God Consciousness, that comes into experience in the beginning and at the end of the other three states (waking, dreaming, and deep sleep), should be infused and transmitted into these three states by firmly establishing one's own awareness during these intervals - beginning and end thereof. 39. And by developing such a process, a yogi must transmit the God Consciousness not only into the three states of individuality but into the entire universe. 40. By the slight appearance of individual desire, one is carried far away from the state of God Consciousness. 41. By firmly establishing one's own Self in the state of Turiya, all desires disappear and individuality is lost into universality. 42. Such a yogi is liberated in life and as his body still exists, his is called bhuta-kanchuki - having his physical body as a mere covering just like an ordinary blanket. Hence he is supreme and one with the universal Self. 43. After remaining in this state of universal Transcendental God Consciousness, the functions of inhalation and exhalation automatically take place with the object that this whole universe of action and cognition is united in God Consciousness. 44. When one contemplates on the center of Universal Consciousness, what else remains there to be sought in the practice of prana, apana, and sushumna? 45. When a Shiva-yogi is completely established in God Consciousness, he experiences this state spontaneously within and without or both. The End.. There are a few serious defects in perception and understanding of higher states of consciousness and human evolving in points 35 and 36 in these sutras. According to # 35 becoming an individual soul means falling away from the grace of God Consciousness. Development in modern societies has been going towards greater individuation and towards relying on own judgement and discrimination . The modern welfare is based on this shift. Not becoming an individual soul has meant unquestioningly following the group and its traditions and following an absolute ruler. It has meant also the soothing experience of symbiosis and lack of responsibility of one's actions. Democracy isn't an option without individual souls. According to # 36 the one , who stays away from differentiatedness becomes the creator and destroyer of the entire universe. The creator of this point has clearly had a condition that we in modern times with our new discriminative capacity call megalomaniac. The evolving nature goes toward greater differentiatedness in spite of some groupsouls trying to resist this natural law that is the driving force of the manifest phenomenal world. Retranslation #36 to be more according the laws of nature would sound maybe something like this: The one who stays aloof from differetiatedness becomes a preserving force preventing too fast differentiation, and if this force becomes too strong it can destroy the world the person or group has influence over. Also the force of differentiation, if it becomes too strong can destroy the world. The key here is the balance
[FairfieldLife] Well, jñaanam according to the Giitaa
amaanitvamadambhitvamahi.nsaa kShaantiraarjavam.h . aachaaryopaasanaM shauchaM sthairyamaatmavinigrahaH .. 13\-8.. indriyaartheshhu vairaagyamanaha.nkaara eva cha . janmamR^ityujaraavyaadhiduHkhadoshhaanudarshanam.h .. 13\-9.. asaktiranabhishhvaN^gaH putradaaragR^ihaadishhu . nitya.n cha samachittatvamishhTaanishhTopapattishhu .. 13\-10.. mayi chaananyayogena bhaktiravyabhichaariNii . viviktadeshasevitvamaratirjanasa.nsadi .. 13\-11.. adhyaatmaGYaananityatva.n tattvaGYaanaarthadarshanam.h . etajGYaanamiti proktamaGYaanaM yadato.anyathaa .. 13\-12.. Clarified: amaanitvam adambhitvam ahiMsaa kShaantir aarjavam aachaarya+upaasanaM shauchaM sthairyam aatma-vinigrahaH .. 13\-8.. indriya-artheshu vairaagyam an_ahankaara eva cha . janma-mrityu-jaraa-vyaadhi-duHkha-doshha-anudarshanam .. 13\-9.. asaktir-an_abhishvangaH putra-daara-griha+aadishu . nityaM cha sama-chittatvam-ishTa-anishTa+upapattishu .. 13\-10.. mayi cha an_anya-yogena bhaktir avyabhichaariNii . vivikta-desha-sevitvam aratir jana-saMsadi .. 13\-11.. adhy-aatma-jñaana-nityatvaM tattva-jñaana-artha-darshanam.h . etaj jñaanam iti proktam ajñaanaM yadato [a]'nyathaa* .. 13\-12.. *)sandhi: yadataH + anyathaa - yadato 'nyathaa Humility, modesty, nonviolence, forbearance, honesty, service to guru, purity (of thought, word, and deed), steadfastness, self-control; and (13.08) Aversion towards sense objects, absence of ego, constant reflection on the agony and suffering inherent in birth, old age, disease, and death. (13.09) Detachment, non-fondness with son, wife, and home; unfailing equanimity upon attainment of the desirable and the undesirable; and (13.10) Unswerving devotion to Me by the yoga of exclusivity, love for solitude, distaste for social gossips; and (13.11) Steadfastness in knowledge of the Supreme Spirit, and the perception of (the omnipresent God as) the object of true knowledge is called knowledge; what is contrary to this is ignorance. (13.12) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a little booklet written by a Finnish clergyman Raimo Mäkelä. He has been working for the Finnish Established Church. The title of the book would be in English something like : The healthy mind as a mask. It was published in 2001. There he describes a certain personality type, which he calls the psychopath, or the narsissistic personality. His view is, apparently through his own difficult experiences, that people with this disorder abound inside the Churches, and also in important positions there. He sees the only way to avoid abuse and damage done by these people to be to learn to recognize those people, and not letting them get in leading positions. And if they have gotten in those positions and you recognize having one as your boss, it would be better to leave. He has written the concise booklet in order to improve people's discrimination in this respect. Many people have told the book was for them a real eye-opener. Almost everyone of us has experienced at some point serious frustration, or felt having been used, by people with those characteristics. These people most probably continue to exist, and they have very strong cravings for being seen as superior and for power. Because this condition is very common, I personally am suspicious of every person, who has created him/herself a situation, where he/she is seen as a superior being, whose actions are beyond our capacity of judgement. I'm also very suspicious of everyone, who has created himself a saintly image. In Finnish the word for saint is pyhimys. It is very close to the Finnish word ylimys, wich means aristrocrat. The word ylimys is derived from the adjective ylimielinen, which describes someone who considers himself to be superior to others and so he doesn't respect the others. Irmeli The old addage by Nietzsche, Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I wonder how many of those who abuse their power by using others to gratify their own desires start out that way? Perhaps the temptation is so great and the resistance so low by the object' that it is near impossible to resist. This is most certainly part of the truth. But it doesn't explain why the abusers often resort to very tricky manipulations and lies in order to get what they want? In spite of their positions the abuse is usually not easily done with open cards. It is not just a candy you can take almost by mistake, when your attention is somewhere else. Lot's of planning, hiding and lies are needed. And these people also nowadays risk their careers, which makes them feel wanting to shout: Damn Democracy. Irmeli Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The old addage by Nietzsche, Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I wonder how many of those who abuse their power by using others to gratify their own desires start out that way? Perhaps the temptation is so great and the resistance so low by the object' that it is near impossible to resist. This is most certainly part of the truth. But it doesn't explain why the abusers often resort to very tricky manipulations and lies in order to get what they want? You haven't specified any examples of what you consider tricky manipulations. Please do so. In spite of their positions the abuse is usually not easily done with open cards. In a spiritual context, I'm going to have to disagree with you. In almost every case I've ever seen of abuse of power by someone in a position of authority in a spiritual context, they really didn't have to work very hard to deceive anyone. The victims were lining up right and left, ready and willing to be fleeced, because their own desires were being pandered to. For example, if you delve into cases of a spiritual teacher sleeping with a student, in almost *every* case what you'll find -- in addition to a teacher who couldn't keep his dick in his pants -- is a student who felt flattered at being seduced or actively par- ticipated in the seduction because it makes her feel more special. The teacher may be telling the student a few lies to get into her pants, but the student in most cases *wants* to hear those lies. It's a cooperative effort, a symbiosis of mutual deception. It is not just a candy you can take almost by mistake, when your attention is somewhere else. Lot's of planning, hiding and lies are needed. Again, I disagree completely. I think this is just an attempt to make the teachers the bad guys and the students the poor, innocent victims. I would suggest that in many if not most cases the victim was per- fectly happy to be lied to as long as they felt more special than people outside the group or than other students within the group. It's just human nature, and teachers merely take advantage of it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The old addage by Nietzsche, Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I wonder how many of those who abuse their power by using others to gratify their own desires start out that way? Perhaps the temptation is so great and the resistance so low by the object' that it is near impossible to resist. Irmeli:This is most certainly part of the truth. But it doesn't explain why the abusers often resort to very tricky manipulations and lies in order to get what they want? Barry:You haven't specified any examples of what you consider tricky manipulations. Please do so. Irmeli:This thread started with an aricle Sex for Salvation, where the bishop promised salvation for the woman if she had sex with him. He also told her that the rules against adultery are for ordinary people only, he, and she with him, will be above those rules. I cannot believe that the bishop had ever done any serious self-examination or introspection on these claims. He was using these claims to get want he wanted to justify himself his actions. Irmeli: In spite of their positions the abuse is usually not easily done with open cards. Barry: In a spiritual context, I'm going to have to disagree with you. In almost every case I've ever seen of abuse of power by someone in a position of authority in a spiritual context, they really didn't have to work very hard to deceive anyone. The victims were lining up right and left, ready and willing to be fleeced, because their own desires were being pandered to. For example, if you delve into cases of a spiritual teacher sleeping with a student, in almost *every* case what you'll find -- in addition to a teacher who couldn't keep his dick in his pants -- is a student who felt flattered at being seduced or actively par- ticipated in the seduction because it makes her feel more special. The teacher may be telling the student a few lies to get into her pants, but the student in most cases *wants* to hear those lies. It's a cooperative effort, a symbiosis of mutual deception. Irmeli:With open cards I mean not trying to hide the relationship from others. With open cards I understand also the bishop not trying to act a role of a pious guide and a loyal husband, when he is not. But I'm with you with the understanding that the woman is a co-creator of the situation. I just expect the leader and teacher to behave in a more responsible way than the student. If the other way around, the woman should be in the leading position. Irmeli:It is not just a candy you can take almost by mistake, when your attention is somewhere else. Lot's of planning, hiding and lies are needed. Barry: Again, I disagree completely. I think this is just an attempt to make the teachers the bad guys and the students the poor, innocent victims. I would suggest that in many if not most cases the victim was per- fectly happy to be lied to as long as they felt more special than people outside the group or than other students within the group. It's just human nature, and teachers merely take advantage of it. Irmeli:I agree fully with this. The main problem here is that the teacher pretends himself to be capable of acting from a higher moral level. His getting to his high position has probably become possible through this pretending and lying. This pretension must have become an established habit much before he got to the position of a bishop. It is not just that power corrupts. Also corrupted people often get into important positions using corruption and lies as they climb ladders Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that in many if not most cases the victim was per- fectly happy to be lied to as long as they felt more special than people outside the group or than other students within the group. It's just human nature, and teachers merely take advantage of it. I agree fully with this. The main problem here is that the teacher pretends himself to be capable of acting from a higher moral level. If this happens, I think we're agreed that it's not a good thing. It wouldn't be a good thing if the reacher really *was* enlightened. His getting to his high position has probably become possible through this pretending and lying. This pretension must have become an established habit much before he got to the position of a bishop. It is not just that power corrupts. Also corrupted people often get into important positions using corruption and lies as they climb ladders I'm not convinced of this. I've seen a lot of people lose it once they *got* to a position in which a lot of people were focusing their attention on them. I tend to think more occultly, and believe that this focus is what took them out. In many cases the students were *expecting* the teachers to act like little gods, and the teachers themselves were not strong enough to resist the role that was being projected onto them by the students, so they went along with it. Once they start down that path, it's very difficult to turn around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that in many if not most cases the victim was per- fectly happy to be lied to as long as they felt more special than people outside the group or than other students within the group. It's just human nature, and teachers merely take advantage of it. I agree fully with this. The main problem here is that the teacher pretends himself to be capable of acting from a higher moral level. If this happens, I think we're agreed that it's not a good thing. It wouldn't be a good thing if the reacher really *was* enlightened. His getting to his high position has probably become possible through this pretending and lying. This pretension must have become an established habit much before he got to the position of a bishop. It is not just that power corrupts. Also corrupted people often get into important positions using corruption and lies as they climb ladders I'm not convinced of this. I've seen a lot of people lose it once they *got* to a position in which a lot of people were focusing their attention on them. I tend to think more occultly, and believe that this focus is what took them out. In many cases the students were *expecting* the teachers to act like little gods, and the teachers themselves were not strong enough to resist the role that was being projected onto them by the students, so they went along with it. Once they start down that path, it's very difficult to turn around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that in many if not most cases the victim was per- fectly happy to be lied to as long as they felt more special than people outside the group or than other students within the group. It's just human nature, and teachers merely take advantage of it. I agree fully with this. The main problem here is that the teacher pretends himself to be capable of acting from a higher moral level. If this happens, I think we're agreed that it's not a good thing. It wouldn't be a good thing if the reacher really *was* enlightened. His getting to his high position has probably become possible through this pretending and lying. This pretension must have become an established habit much before he got to the position of a bishop. It is not just that power corrupts. Also corrupted people often get into important positions using corruption and lies as they climb ladders Barry:I'm not convinced of this. I've seen a lot of people lose it once they *got* to a position in which a lot of people were focusing their attention on them. I tend to think more occultly, and believe that this focus is what took them out. In many cases the students were *expecting* the teachers to act like little gods, and the teachers themselves were not strong enough to resist the role that was being projected onto them by the students, so they went along with it. Once they start down that path, it's very difficult to turn around. Irmeli: I agree with this. The corruption may be more often happening this way. People's expectations are probably the biggest villain here. The other is the leader's attachment to his position and need to keep it by all means. The good news is that nowadays the corrupted means are starting to fail the leaders more and more often. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever happened with the research, as far as I'm aware. What does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? They spent a lot of time identifying a mysterious substance in the bloodstream of sidhas but not found in controls. Obviously it had to be related to soma or some such thing - I heard rumour that MMY talked about bottling it for instant E Thats revealing. It's what he's been selling to Westerners for years. Do nothing (except give us some money) and accom- plish everything. :-) What's more revealing to me is *assuming* that some substance would appear in the bloodstream of sidhas that wouldn't be there in lesser humans and then assigning scientists to find it. Except, as the post you're responding to clearly said, and as I suggested as well, that isn't what happened. Try reading the above quotes again, Barry. It's elitism driving science, in the same ballpark as white supremacy science, seeking to find the genetic reasons for the obvious truth that whites are more intelligent than other races. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 2) Those that don't have trust funds or inheritances. And they are the stereotypical turkey that you describe above. Well, you don't really have to look very far to find the MODEL for this behavior, do you? I mean, what could be clearer? It's Maharishi himself. The guy has turned begging and just assuming that other people should pay for his life into an artform. He's become a billionaire by doing this. Yeah, that lazy Maharishi, who hasn't done a lick of work for *decades*. And you talk about TBs being delusional... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 4:46 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever happened with the research, as far as I'm aware. What does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? Yes, you surprise me. The suggestion originally was that M. believed there was a molecule created by consciousness during yogic flying at the gap between matter and consciousness. So the researchers began to look for it. Aaand...what does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? It has to do with the idea that you could produce a molecule out of the unified field: bodily soma. Well, first, we'd need to know what MMY *actually* said, rather than your version of it. Second, what Wilber was debunking was the idea of creating *electrons* (by which I assume he meant elementary particles generally), not molecules. Molecules are two steps beyond elementary particles: they're arrangements of atoms, which are in turn arrangements of particles. Again, we'd have to know exactly what MMY said, but it isn't inconceivable he meant the molecules were built from particles that were already available. Finally, at what point did MMY use this notion as a sales ploy for TM? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims. Perhaps you also need to review what TM claims, for that matter. No that's all right, it's pretty clear to me. For example he says in regard to the popular movie What the Bleep which prominently features John Hagelin making some typical but rather wild (TMO type) claims: For example What the Bleep Do we Know, I would say that more or less every actual assertion they make about physical realities, meaning quantum realities and their relationship to spiritual reality is categorically FALSE. Well, again, we'd need to know what Hagelin actually *said* in the film, and what Wilber means by *more or less* every assertion. If that vague statement makes it all pretty clear to you, I'd say you're rather easily satisfied. It's also interesting your statement And yes, I think MMY uses unified field as a synonym for Brahman. direcly contradicts what Wilber says--Wilber emphatically states that the unified field is NOT brahman. Hmm, I don't remember Wilber using the term unified field in that recording. But perhaps I missed it. If so, could you tell me approximately when he says it? In any case, according to Nagarjuna, it cannot be said either that Brahman *is* something or that Brahman *is not* something. Wilber is well aware of this, and I'm pretty sure MMY is too. That's why I suggested earlier that it isn't entirely clear MMY is using the term unified field (aka Brahman) in the way physicists do. So neither MMY nor Wilber is using the term Brahman the way Advaitins do (i.e., per Nagarjuna), at least in this context--which means that you'd really need to have them sit down head to head and hash things out before you could say with any certainty that they're contradicting each other (and maybe not even then). Bottom line, both Brahman and quantum mechanics are essentially paradoxical conceptually, so when you try to correlate two individuals' conceptual expressions about either--or worse, about both in relation to each other--you're in a very messy swamp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 23, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: Well, first, we'd need to know what MMY *actually* said, rather than your version of it. Second, what Wilber was debunking was the idea of creating *electrons* (by which I assume he meant elementary particles generally), not molecules. Molecules are two steps beyond elementary particles: they're arrangements of atoms, which are in turn arrangements of particles.Well you have to understand what he's referring to here Judy--it's that the measurement/observation process at a quantum level affects the material world. It's this idea he's debunking using this example, that we modify reality, physical reality, with observation. This idea is not restricted to the discussion of the "gap" between the physical and "unified field" but also the TMSP where attention is allegedly applied to get the unified field to manifest something--to somehow modify reality. The Maharishi Effect might be a good example. Again, we'd have to know exactly what MMY said, but it isn't inconceivable he meant the molecules were built from particles that were already available. Finally, at what point did MMY use this notion as a "sales ploy" for TM? Quantum physics is constantly used as a marketing ploy for the TMO. It's been used for the siddhis, the doshas, TM, the TMSP, higher states of consciousness, world peace, economics, etc. It's a long list.Since you already claim to believe much of this, it's senseless for me to try to convince you otherwise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:45 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims. Perhaps you also need to review what TM claims, for that matter. No that's all right, it's pretty clear to me. For example he says in regard to the popular movie "What the Bleep" which prominently features John Hagelin making some typical but rather wild (TMO type) claims: "For example "What the Bleep Do we Know", I would say that more or less every actual assertion they make about physical realities, meaning "quantum realities" and their relationship to spiritual reality is categorically FALSE." Well, again, we'd need to know what Hagelin actually *said* in the film, and what Wilber means by "*more or less* every assertion." If that vague statement makes it all "pretty clear" to you, I'd say you're rather easily satisfied. I'm not a believer, maybe that's why. I realize this whole idea that Wilber is presenting takes apart many of the claims of the TMO and this would probably be hard or impossible for you to accept. To me he is stating things that were rather obvious before I heard him talk about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Proper pronunciation of Buddha
BOO-DA-HAH And you can determine the state of consciousness of the speaker by how he pronounces Buddha. If he just says BUHDAH -- as he would BUTTER but with Ds instead of Ts and dropping the R -- then he is of low consciousness. If he says it with the three syllables distinctly enunciated -- BOO-DA-HAH -- then he is, of course, very highly evolved. Throw in an East-Asian accept and say it very quickly then you're probably an Avatar. It's like in the TM Movement: if you say MA-HA-Ri-SHI you are lowly evolved and should just be cleaning the floors of your local center. But...if you pronounce it MA-HAR-SHI then you are, of course, a long-time TMer who is personally close to and beloved of MMY and you are highly evolved. There are exceptions of course. Notably, Charlie Lutes. Not only did Charlie pronouce it MA-HA-RI-SHI, the son-of-a-gun threw in the article, to boot! Charlie always referred to him as THE MA-HA-RI- SHI which gave him a good-ole-boy rep who could still go into any board room in America and slap the back of any stogie-totin' CEO and, in the same breath, tell them he was now going to go off and close his eyes and silently repeat a mantra. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims. Perhaps you also need to review what TM claims, for that matter. No that's all right, it's pretty clear to me. For example he says in regard to the popular movie What the Bleep which prominently features John Hagelin making some typical but rather wild (TMO type) claims: For example What the Bleep Do we Know, I would say that more or less every actual assertion they make about physical realities, meaning quantum realities and their relationship to spiritual reality is categorically FALSE. Well, again, we'd need to know what Hagelin actually *said* in the film, and what Wilber means by *more or less* every assertion. If that vague statement makes it all pretty clear to you, I'd say you're rather easily satisfied. A few of the more respected, non-Ramtha scientists in the Bleep distanced themselves from the film after it opened saying their remarks were edited in such a way as to distort their true purport. Hagelin did not distanced himself, in fact he subsequently went on a tour with other people in the film to promote it. Doesn't seem like hagelin has any problem with the film's science. Most interesting to me is that this is one of the guys who led the charge in ffld in the mid 90s against other teachers popular in town, writing an editorial in the local paper saying MMY's teachings are the only ones that are 100% vedic and life-supporting and MUM had a responsibility to protect meditators from other teachers. Also said MMY was giving out PdD level knowledge in spirituality, while these other teachers (ravi shankar, gangagi, etc) were giving kindergarten classes in spirituality. Funny that this guy has no problem aligning adn touring with something as flaky as the Ramtha group. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: Well, first, we'd need to know what MMY *actually* said, rather than your version of it. Second, what Wilber was debunking was the idea of creating *electrons* (by which I assume he meant elementary particles generally), not molecules. Molecules are two steps beyond elementary particles: they're arrangements of atoms, which are in turn arrangements of particles. Well you have to understand what he's referring to here Judy--it's that the measurement/observation process at a quantum level affects the material world. It's this idea he's debunking using this example, that we modify reality, physical reality, with observation. This idea is not restricted to the discussion of the gap between the physical and unified field but also the TMSP where attention is allegedly applied to get the unified field to manifest something--to somehow modify reality. The Maharishi Effect might be a good example. I understand what Wilber is referring to, but I'm not sure you do. From the summary you posted: Ken goes on to suggest that what might be influencing quantum realities is not Suchness per se, but bio-energy or prana, which may be the source of the crackling, buzzing, electric creativity that so many theorists have tried to explain at the quantum level. Again, we'd have to know exactly what MMY said, but it isn't inconceivable he meant the molecules were built from particles that were already available. Finally, at what point did MMY use this notion as a sales ploy for TM? Quantum physics is constantly used as a marketing ploy for the TMO. No, you used Substance M as an example. I'm asking when MMY used that notion as a sales ploy for TM. It's been used for the siddhis, the doshas, TM, the TMSP, higher states of consciousness, world peace, economics, etc. It's a long list. Since you already claim to believe much of this, it's senseless for me to try to convince you otherwise. See, this is why it's hard to take seriously anything you say about what somebody else has said or what they meant. Not only have I not claimed to believe much of this, I said explicitly only that I found certain premises *plausible*. About others I've said explicitly only that I *don't rule them out*. And you've translated this in your mind into my having claimed to believe these things. Remarkable. Oh, and moreover, you say it's senseless to try to convince me the TMO uses quantum physics for marketing purposes, yet I've never suggested it does *not* do precisely this. And to complete the absurdity, you claim I wouldn't believe the TMO doesn't use quantum physics in its marketing *because I have claimed to believe what it says about quantum physics*. (Which, of course, I have not.) I mean, Vaj, if you can get what I've said in a few relatively simple, straightforward posts of mine so thoroughly confused, how in heaven's name do you expect anybody to think you can get something as complicated as quantum mechanics vis-a-vis spirituality straight? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most interesting to me is that this [Hagelin] is one of the guys who led the charge in ffld in the mid 90s against other teachers popular in town, writing an editorial in the local paper saying MMY's teachings are the only ones that are 100% vedic and life-supporting and MUM had a responsibility to protect meditators from other teachers. Also said MMY was giving out PdD level knowledge in spirituality, while these other teachers (ravi shankar, gangagi, etc) were giving kindergarten classes in spirituality. Funny that this guy has no problem aligning adn touring with something as flaky as the Ramtha group. Drink enough Kool-Aid and you start to lose your ability to differentiate between the different flavors. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most interesting to me is that this [Hagelin] is one of the guys who led the charge in ffld in the mid 90s against other teachers popular in town, writing an editorial in the local paper saying MMY's teachings are the only ones that are 100% vedic and life-supporting and MUM had a responsibility to protect meditators from other teachers. Also said MMY was giving out PdD level knowledge in spirituality, while these other teachers (ravi shankar, gangagi, etc) were giving kindergarten classes in spirituality. Funny that this guy has no problem aligning adn touring with something as flaky as the Ramtha group. Drink enough Kool-Aid and you start to lose your ability to differentiate between the different flavors. :-) More seriously, I think it's as simple as this: Hagelin's an Attention Whore. He'll lend his name and his support to anyone who pays attention to him and claims to find him credible. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:45 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims. Perhaps you also need to review what TM claims, for that matter. No that's all right, it's pretty clear to me. For example he says in regard to the popular movie What the Bleep which prominently features John Hagelin making some typical but rather wild (TMO type) claims: For example What the Bleep Do we Know, I would say that more or less every actual assertion they make about physical realities, meaning quantum realities and their relationship to spiritual reality is categorically FALSE. Well, again, we'd need to know what Hagelin actually *said* in the film, and what Wilber means by *more or less* every assertion. If that vague statement makes it all pretty clear to you, I'd say you're rather easily satisfied. I'm not a believer, maybe that's why. Well, you're an active DISbeliever, and I do think that's why you're so easily satisfied. Wilber *appears* to be confirming your disbelief, so of course you're not going to be persnickety about whether he's *actually* doing so or not. I realize this whole idea that Wilber is presenting takes apart many of the claims of the TMO and this would probably be hard or impossible for you to accept. Yet another example of your up-is-downism with regard to what I've said. Here's what I wrote a few posts back: I have enormous respect for Wilber's thinking in this area; I've been citing him for years. His analyses have greatly clarified my own understanding. If he debunked a TM claim, his would be the last word, as far as I'm concerned. His introductory essay in Quantum Questions is extraordinarily lucid and tightly reasoned as to what can and cannot be said with reference to quantum mechanics and mysticism. To me he is stating things that were rather obvious before I heard him talk about it. To me as well. However, that's a complete non sequitur, because the issue is not whether what he's saying is obvious or accurate, it's whether it conflicts with the TMO's claims. One final point: It may well be that Wilber *could* debunk the TMO's claims. It may well be that they're all utter nonsense. What I'm saying is that he hasn't done so *in this talk*. He isn't *addressing* claims the TMO makes in this talk. To the best of my knowledge, the TMO hasn't made the claims he addresses in this talk. Get it now? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Evangelical Christianity
In a message dated 1/22/06 6:08:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: did you see that special by Barbara Walters on heaven? She interviewed people from the Muslim faith and evangelical christians and they both thought that only their group would go to heaven. What is with this idea? It sounds like Hitler's white supremacy all over again. It is really scary to think that people with decent intellects could believe that they are a select supreme group. On top of that idea, they seem to beleive that it is their duty to "spread the word". Can anyone really psychoanalyze what goes on in the mind with this? Maybe we are a bit like this too!! IMHO I think just about all groups are like that to some degree or another. Even people that grew up believing in reincarnation or rebirth think their religion is superior and when you are evolved enough you can become one of them and that's when you really start to evolve. Nothing more "holier than thou" than a Brahmin. Seems I know of a group close to us all that thinks that spreading the word is their duty also. Only difference between them and the others is you don't have to pay 2,500.00 to get saved by Christ or Allah. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Well, again, we'd need to know what Hagelin actually *said* in the film, and what Wilber means by *more or less* every assertion. If that vague statement makes it all pretty clear to you, I'd say you're rather easily satisfied. A few of the more respected, non-Ramtha scientists in the Bleep distanced themselves from the film after it opened saying their remarks were edited in such a way as to distort their true purport. I could be wrong, but I think it was only one of 'em, at least who said so publicly (David Albert). Hagelin did not distanced himself, in fact he subsequently went on a tour with other people in the film to promote it. Doesn't seem like hagelin has any problem with the film's science. Well, we'd need to ask him whether he thought it was all kosher, I should think. All we really can say is that he apparently didn't feel they distorted *his* remarks. Most interesting to me is that this is one of the guys who led the charge in ffld in the mid 90s against other teachers popular in town, writing an editorial in the local paper saying MMY's teachings are the only ones that are 100% vedic and life-supporting and MUM had a responsibility to protect meditators from other teachers. Also said MMY was giving out PdD level knowledge in spirituality, while these other teachers (ravi shankar, gangagi, etc) were giving kindergarten classes in spirituality. Funny that this guy has no problem aligning adn touring with something as flaky as the Ramtha group. Indeed. Be interesting to hear from him directly as to why he did it. It's surprising to me that MMY didn't try to stop him from doing it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get it now? We think so. You're still stalking Vaj, right? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:19 AM, authfriend wrote: Again, we'd have to know exactly what MMY said, but it isn't inconceivable he meant the molecules were built from particles that were already available. Finally, at what point did MMY use this notion as a "sales ploy" for TM? Quantum physics is constantly used as a marketing ploy for the TMO. No, you used "Substance M" as an example. I'm asking when MMY used that notion as a "sales ploy" for TM. Substance M was not used as an example of a marketing ploy.See, this is why it's hard to take seriously anythingyou say about what somebody else has said or what theymeant. Not only have I not claimed to "believe much ofthis," I said explicitly only that I found certainpremises *plausible*. About others I've said explicitlyonly that I *don't rule them out*.Typical Judy response, play dumb. This is not what I was referring to--I was referring to your admission that you accepted that TM was a form of 'technology of the Unified Field'. If that is your belief, why should I want to try to change that? I accept that this is your belief. With response such as these, why should I waste my time? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Evangelical Christianity
In a message dated 1/22/06 6:37:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whenever I meet born-again Christians who start to prostelitize me, I ask them right up front: Do you believe that unless I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior that I will rot in hell for all eternity?If they answer "yes" I tell them that I don't believe that they are Christians and that they do not follow Christ and have nothing to do with them...I go on to tell them that it is MY belief they serve the other guy, not Christ. Shemp I think most born again Christians who have never really given it much thought fall into this category. However I have met some that when you would pose that question would answer that they know that Christ is a guaranteed way to salvation and anything else is up to the will of God as to whether you get the desired results. I think they say this to avoid theappearance of being judgemental. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With response such as these, why should I waste my time? A very good question. Ponder it further. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/22/06 4:21:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any U.S. citizen who is low/no income qualifies for SSI at age 65, regardless of work history/pay-ins to Social Security. Anybody who is a permanent legal resident (not a U.S. citizen) qualifies for SSI with only 40 quarters of Social Security pay-in work history: No wonder the system is going broke. The system cannot and will not go broke. Why? Because the government holds the right to tax...AND raise the amount of SS contributions anytime they damn well please. So they can fund the program fully any time it appears to be faltering. It may interest you to know that at the time that FDR pushed SS into law back in 1935 there was a big hue and cry from many quarters. At the time, the contribution into SS was about 1.5%. Roosevelt promised it would NEVER, EVER go up. Well, today, the combined employee/employer SS contribution is 12.4%! snip lets not forget the medicare too which gives a total of 15.3%. The IRs keeps raising the limit on contributions ie years ago SS withholding topped out after you earned about $60k in a year, that keeps going up and medicare has no limit. The self employed get screwed paying the total 15.3% SE tax themselves PLUS federal and state income tax. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get it now? We think so. You're still stalking Vaj, right? :-) Like I said earlier: You're delusional. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proper pronunciation of Buddha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOO-DA-HAH And you can determine the state of consciousness of the speaker by how he pronounces Buddha. If he just says BUHDAH -- as he would BUTTER but with Ds instead of Ts and dropping the R -- then he is of low consciousness. If he says it with the three syllables distinctly enunciated -- BOO-DA-HAH -- then he is, of course, very highly evolved. Throw in an East-Asian accept and say it very quickly then you're probably an Avatar. It's like in the TM Movement: if you say MA-HA-Ri-SHI you are lowly evolved and should just be cleaning the floors of your local center. But...if you pronounce it MA-HAR-SHI then you are, of course, a long-time TMer who is personally close to and beloved of MMY and you are highly evolved. There are exceptions of course. Notably, Charlie Lutes. Not only did Charlie pronouce it MA-HA-RI-SHI, the son-of-a-gun threw in the article, to boot! Charlie always referred to him as THE MA-HA-RI- SHI which gave him a good-ole-boy rep who could still go into any board room in America and slap the back of any stogie-totin' CEO and, in the same breath, tell them he was now going to go off and close his eyes and silently repeat a mantra. ROTF! Shemp, Excellent! (Charlie was stealth subtle :) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proper pronunciation of Buddha
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOO-DA-HAH And you can determine the state of consciousness of the speaker by how he pronounces Buddha. If he just says BUHDAH -- as he would BUTTER but with Ds instead of Ts and dropping the R -- then he is of low consciousness. If he says it with the three syllables distinctly enunciated -- BOO-DA-HAH -- then he is, of course, very highly evolved. Throw in an East-Asian accept and say it very quickly then you're probably an Avatar. It's like in the TM Movement: if you say MA-HA-Ri-SHI you are lowly evolved and should just be cleaning the floors of your local center. But...if you pronounce it MA-HAR-SHI then you are, of course, a long-time TMer who is personally close to and beloved of MMY and you are highly evolved. There are exceptions of course. Notably, Charlie Lutes. Not only did Charlie pronouce it MA-HA-RI-SHI, the son-of-a-gun threw in the article, to boot! Charlie always referred to him as THE MA-HA-RI- SHI which gave him a good-ole-boy rep who could still go into any board room in America and slap the back of any stogie-totin' CEO and, in the same breath, tell them he was now going to go off and close his eyes and silently repeat a mantra. SSRS is in the lineage of Charlie. He calls MMY, the Maha rishi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:16 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:A few of the more respected, non-Ramtha scientists in the Bleep distanced themselves from the film after it opened saying their remarks were edited in such a way as to distort their true purport. Hagelin did not distanced himself, in fact he subsequently went on a tour with other people in the film to promote it. Doesn't seem like hagelin has any problem with the film's science. Most interesting to me is that this is one of the guys who led the charge in ffld in the mid 90s against other teachers popular in town, writing an editorial in the local paper saying MMY's teachings are the only ones that are 100% vedic and life-supporting and MUM had a responsibility to protect meditators from other teachers. Also said MMY was giving out PdD level knowledge in spirituality, while these other teachers (ravi shankar, gangagi, etc) were giving "kindergarten" classes in spirituality. Funny that this guy has no problem aligning adn touring with something as flaky as the Ramtha group. Maybe he was operating on the premise "there's not such thing as bad publicity"? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:19 AM, authfriend wrote: Again, we'd have to know exactly what MMY said, but it isn't inconceivable he meant the molecules were built from particles that were already available. Finally, at what point did MMY use this notion as a sales ploy for TM? Quantum physics is constantly used as a marketing ploy for the TMO. No, you used Substance M as an example. I'm asking when MMY used that notion as a sales ploy for TM. Substance M was not used as an example of a marketing ploy. C'mon, Vaj, you used it as an example of the TMO's thinking about quantum mechanics and spirituality, and you've characterized that thinking as a sales ploy for TM. See, this is why it's hard to take seriously anything you say about what somebody else has said or what they meant. Not only have I not claimed to believe much of this, I said explicitly only that I found certain premises *plausible*. About others I've said explicitly only that I *don't rule them out*. Typical Judy response, play dumb. This is not what I was referring to--I was referring to your admission that you accepted that TM was a form of 'technology of the Unified Field'. If that is your belief, why should I want to try to change that? I accept that this is your belief. Sorry, Vaj, but this is you being disingenuous. Here's what you wrote that I was responding to (which --big surprise!--you snipped): Quantum physics is constantly used as a marketing ploy for the TMO. It's been used for the siddhis, the doshas, TM, the TMSP, higher states of consciousness, world peace, economics, etc. It's a long list. Since you already claim to believe much of this, it's senseless for me to try to convince you otherwise. After I pointed out that I had *not* claimed to believe much of this, you went back over the exchange to try to find *one* thing I said that I didn't qualify, and cite it now as if it had been what you were referring to, when it obviously was not--it didn't even have anything to do with quantum mechanics. (Not only that, but the reason I didn't *have* to qualify that particular statement was that it's a matter of definition, of both terms. It doesn't really say anything in and of itself. Your question that I was responding to was essentially meaningless.) With response such as these, why should I waste my time? That's always your cop-out, Vaj, when you're challenged about anything. You love to make sweeping accusatory statements, but you're never willing to do the mental work necessary to stand up for them when they're questioned. You evade and throw around non sequiturs and obfuscate and misrepresent until you find you've backed yourself into a corner, then you claim you don't want to waste your time having an actual discussion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With response such as these, why should I waste my time? A very good question. Ponder it further. :-) Translation: Barry doesn't like responding to challenges either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- authfriend wrote: Indeed. Be interesting to hear from him directly as to why he did it [touring with the Bleep crowd]. It's surprising to me that MMY didn't try to stop him from doing it. A story about John Hagelin touring: I'm trying to summon a memory of a conversation with a former assistant of John Hagelin. This would have been the late 1980s or early '90s. As I recall, she said John was under pressure from Maharishi to tour the country, telling scientists that consciousness was indeed the unified field. John resisted, saying his research partners would frown upon it, and more to the point, it wasn't such a slam-dunk parallel. But Maharishi persisted, ultimately saying, If you won't do it, I'll find someone who will. So John did it. I don't think John did any physics research after that. That's how I recall it, anyway. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
His comments are really too absurd to take seriously, but here's a sample of what MMY has done: developed a technique of meditation and ensured that it was taught to thousands (millions?) around the globe, had it made a subject of Western scientific inquiry, founded a fully-accredited university, revived the knowledge of Ayur Ved, etc. etc. It's not a bad resume, I'd say. How many universities have you founded, Turquoise? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 2) Those that don't have trust funds or inheritances. And they are the stereotypical turkey that you describe above. Well, you don't really have to look very far to find the MODEL for this behavior, do you? I mean, what could be clearer? It's Maharishi himself. The guy has turned begging and just assuming that other people should pay for his life into an artform. He's become a billionaire by doing this. Yeah, that lazy Maharishi, who hasn't done a lick of work for *decades*. And you talk about TBs being delusional... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get it now? We think so. You're still stalking Vaj, right? :-) Now be nice, it's still just typical game playing. She hasn't shown up at my house in months. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 23, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- authfriend wrote: Indeed. Be interesting to hear from him directly as to why he did it [touring with the "Bleep" crowd]. It's surprising to me that MMY didn't try to stop him from doing it. A story about John Hagelin touring: I'm trying to summon a memory of a conversation with a former assistant of John Hagelin. This would have been the late 1980s or early '90s. As I recall, she said John was under pressure from Maharishi to tour the country, telling scientists that consciousness was indeed the unified field. John resisted, saying his research partners would frown upon it, and more to the point, it wasn't such a slam-dunk parallel. But Maharishi persisted, ultimately saying, If you won't do it, I'll find someone who will. So John did it. I don't think John did any physics research after that. That's how I recall it, anyway. That would certainly fit the output we've all seen in movement literature and promotional materials. Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of "Is Consciousness the Unified Field?" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's forecast for 2006
Title: Maharishi's forecast for 2006 This may already have been posted: Maharishi's forecast for 2006 Global Press Conference, 28.12.05 MAHARISHI: I see the destruction of the destroyers - whatever little they may have remained. I see the dawn of a new fortune for mankind. I see human race rising to a level of enlightenment, full of knowledge, in tune with the Constitution of the Universe which administers the universe with perfect order and always perfect order and always perfect order. It is not my wish (only). With the grace of Guru Dev, with the grace of the Vedic tradition, the eternal light of the constitution of the world is being brought to the human awareness now and I have counted these very important countries in the world (Switzerland, Denmark, Germany, Holland) to be rising in dignity and shaking off the slavery to foreign powers. Whatever may be the foreign power. But now all these countries will be the shining star in the family of nations to guide the destiny of the rest of the countries in the world. It is not a wish. It is being brought about by the arrow of knowledge that has left the bow and is going to purify the world consciousness. ...The arrow has been shot. The arrow has left the bow and it is hitting the target. The arrow has left the bow and it is hitting the target. It does not depend on anyone to do it or not.. The arrow has left the bow and it is going to do the magic for the world very soon.. The arrow has left the bow and it is beyond anyone to stop the arrow hitting the target. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. snip And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult, and as such, responsible for his choices. It reminds me of people who get scammed due to their greed. The question I'd ask myself is, what did Hagelin think he was getting out of this, and why? To act as if Mr. M or anyone else somehow has some sort of power over the *adults* in the TMO is a pretty absurd notion. Anyone who has power over another is *given* that power. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. snip And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult, and as such, responsible for his choices. It reminds me of people who get scammed due to their greed. The question I'd ask myself is, what did Hagelin think he was getting out of this, and why? It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access.It certainly wasn't a career move :-). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. snip And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult, and as such, responsible for his choices. It reminds me of people who get scammed due to their greed. The question I'd ask myself is, what did Hagelin think he was getting out of this, and why? Attention. This was his way of getting darshan. As long as he did what he was told, Maharishi focused on him. For some people that's more important than career. To act as if Mr. M or anyone else somehow has some sort of power over the *adults* in the TMO is a pretty absurd notion. Anyone who has power over another is *given* that power. Yup. I agree. Hagelin made a *decision* to trade his career for getting to spend time with Maharishi. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Superiority of TM over Budhhism
As a follow-up to my earlier posting on the Proper pronunciation of 'Buddha' : With Buddhism, the enlightened pronounce the leader's name with 3 syllables: BOO-DAH-HAH. They go from using two syllables -- BUDD-HA -- to 3. With TM, the enlightened pronounce the leader's name using only 2 syllables: MA-HAR-SHEE. They go from using three syllables -- MA-HA- Ri-SHEE to 2. TM therefore uses less energy and is more efficient than Buddhism. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access. It certainly wasn't a career move :-). The term I've heard around the spiritual smorgasbord is 'attention whore' -- willing to do almost anything to stay in the attention field of a teacher. That's a career of sorts... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. snip And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult, and as such, responsible for his choices. It reminds me of people who get scammed due to their greed. The question I'd ask myself is, what did Hagelin think he was getting out of this, and why? It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access. It certainly wasn't a career move :-). Maybe his reputation within the theoretical physicists community has been damaged, but is that such a big deal. Hagelin gets paid well, gets lots of attention, esp female, within the movt and now new age circles, gets into flaky films, had TBs thinking he could be president. For an academic he's had a colorful career. The lost potential that pisses me off is Doug Henning, a genuinely gifted creative genius who was a bona fide celebrity influencing millions of people with his wonderful shows on stage and TV. He wasted all those years in the prime of his career on a typical unachievable mov't project and then dies almost in obscurity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's forecast for 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may already have been posted: Maharishi's forecast for 2006 Global Press Conference, 28.12.05 MAHARISHI: I see the destruction of the destroyers - whatever little they may have remained. I see the dawn of a new fortune for mankind. I see human race rising to a level of enlightenment, full of knowledge, in tune with the Constitution of the Universe which administers the universe with perfect order and always perfect order and always perfect order. It is not my wish (only). With the grace of Guru Dev, with the grace of the Vedic tradition, the eternal light of the constitution of the world is being brought to the human awareness now and I have counted these very important countries in the world (Switzerland, Denmark, Germany, Holland) to be rising in dignity and shaking off the slavery to foreign powers. Whatever may be the foreign power. But now all these countries will be the shining star in the family of nations to guide the destiny of the rest of the countries in the world. It is not a wish. It is being brought about by the arrow of knowledge that has left the bow and is going to purify the world consciousness. ...The arrow has been shot. The arrow has left the bow and it is hitting the target. The arrow has left the bow and it is hitting the target. It does not depend on anyone to do it or not.. The arrow has left the bow and it is going to do the magic for the world very soon.. The arrow has left the bow and it is beyond anyone to stop the arrow hitting the target. Whenever such an unequivocal transformation occurs, there are several elements to our world existence that did not exist previously. First and foremost is the availability of information, the reflection of events around the globe nearly instantaneously. Along with that, and perhaps more important, is the ability of the world community to be visibly aware of and reacting to such events. This has the effect of democratizing our societies, bringing light to secret government and corporate programs, dispelling the back- room deals, making visible the previous concentrations of power and corruption. Dispelling the hidden agendas, the power of ignorance and darkness and manipulation. In addition, revolutions in every domain of life are spreading and being adopted much more rapidly than ever before. The world body is becoming a more seamless and coherent entity. On the other hand, those in power are also attempting to use the information revolution for their own ends, for control and manipulation of the press, to furiously spin the telling and retelling of events. Our current phase seems to be one of the planetary consciousness exploring all possibilities, both good and bad, with both sides equally expressed. What is emerging from this appears to be the ages old David vs Goliath battle, now. It won't stay static for long. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. snip And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult, and as such, responsible for his choices. It reminds me of people who get scammed due to their greed. The question I'd ask myself is, what did Hagelin think he was getting out of this, and why? It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access. It certainly wasn't a career move :-). Maybe his reputation within the theoretical physicists community has been damaged, but is that such a big deal. Hagelin gets paid well, gets lots of attention, esp female, within the movt and now new age circles, gets into flaky films, had TBs thinking he could be president. For an academic he's had a colorful career. The lost potential that pisses me off is Doug Henning, a genuinely gifted creative genius who was a bona fide celebrity influencing millions of people with his wonderful shows on stage and TV. He wasted all those years in the prime of his career on a typical unachievable mov't project and then dies almost in obscurity. Again, his choice... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access. It certainly wasn't a career move :-). The term I've heard around the spiritual smorgasbord is 'attention whore' -- willing to do almost anything to stay in the attention field of a teacher. That's a career of sorts... *lol* ...so we can conclude that the downside of being the teacher's pet is the leash... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. snip And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult, and as such, responsible for his choices. It reminds me of people who get scammed due to their greed. The question I'd ask myself is, what did Hagelin think he was getting out of this, and why? It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access. It certainly wasn't a career move :-). Yep, pretty silly stuff. Addicted to darshan. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Superiority of TM over Budhhism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a follow-up to my earlier posting on the Proper pronunciation of 'Buddha' : With Buddhism, the enlightened pronounce the leader's name with 3 syllables: BOO-DAH-HAH. They go from using two syllables -- BUDD- HA -- to 3. With TM, the enlightened pronounce the leader's name using only 2 syllables: MA-HAR-SHEE. They go from using three syllables -- MA- HA- Ri-SHEE to 2. The word mahaa has 2 syllables. The word RSi has 2 syllables, too (R-Si). (tankero: tuu tii tu törtti tuu...) When they are combined the result is 3 syllables: the second vowel of mahaa is shortened and the vocalic (syllabic) R of RSi changes to its consonantal counterpart: maharSi (ma-ha-rSi?) TM therefore uses less energy and is more efficient than Buddhism. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lost potential that pisses me off is Doug Henning, a genuinely gifted creative genius who was a bona fide celebrity influencing millions of people with his wonderful shows on stage and TV. He wasted all those years in the prime of his career on a typical unachievable mov't project and then dies almost in obscurity. Gotta agree with you here. At one point I shared an apartment in Marina del Rey with a couple of other TMers, one of whom was a gifted airbrush artist who did Doug's stage costumes. As a result, Doug would come over to the house every so often, and on a couple of occasions I got to watch him do close-up magic. Forget the big stage stuff; Doug's genius was close- up magic. He would be sitting on the floor cross- legged, two feet away from me, with me free to move around and look at him from any angle I chose, and I *still* couldn't figure out how he did it. Just to watch him do his finger warm-up exercises was amazing. But again, like Hagelin, he made a decision that being around Maharishi and doing whatever was necessary to get Maharishi to focus on him was more important than his career. He seemed happy with the tradeoff, the last time I saw him. So for all we know he might have died a happy man, content with his decision. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access. It certainly wasn't a career move :-). The term I've heard around the spiritual smorgasbord is 'attention whore' -- willing to do almost anything to stay in the attention field of a teacher. That's a career of sorts... *lol* ...so we can conclude that the downside of being the teacher's pet is the leash... Exactly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, pretty silly stuff. Addicted to darshan. Not so silly if you've been there, done that. Harder to kick than heroin. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Battle Hymn of the Republicans :-)
Mine Eyes have seen the bungling of that stumbling moron Bush; he has blathered all the drivel that the neo-cons can push; he has lost sight of all reason 'cause his head is up his tush; The Doofus marches on. I have heard him butcher syntax like a kindergarten fool; There is warranted suspicion that he never went to school; Should we fault him for the policies - or is he just their tool? The lies keep piling on. Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! His wreckage will live on. I have seen him cut the taxes of the billionaires' lone heir; As he spends another zillion on an aircraft carrier; Let the smokestacks keep polluting - do we really need clean air? The surplus is now gone. Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Your safety net is gone! Now he's got a mighty hankerin' to bomb a prostrate state; Though the whole world knows its crazy - and the U.N. says to wait; When he doesn't have the evidence, We must prevaricate. Diplomacy is done! Oh, a trumped-up war is excellent; we have no moral bounds; Should the reasons be disputed, we'll just make up other grounds; Enraging several billions - to his brainlessness redounds; The Doofus marches on! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! THIS D FUSS MAR...CHESON! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Battle Hymn of the Republicans :-)
Hilarious and very clever. Finding three rhyming words in English to fit this format is not an easy thing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine Eyes have seen the bungling of that stumbling moron Bush; he has blathered all the drivel that the neo-cons can push; he has lost sight of all reason 'cause his head is up his tush; The Doofus marches on. I have heard him butcher syntax like a kindergarten fool; There is warranted suspicion that he never went to school; Should we fault him for the policies - or is he just their tool? The lies keep piling on. Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! His wreckage will live on. I have seen him cut the taxes of the billionaires' lone heir; As he spends another zillion on an aircraft carrier; Let the smokestacks keep polluting - do we really need clean air? The surplus is now gone. Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Your safety net is gone! Now he's got a mighty hankerin' to bomb a prostrate state; Though the whole world knows its crazy - and the U.N. says to wait; When he doesn't have the evidence, We must prevaricate. Diplomacy is done! Oh, a trumped-up war is excellent; we have no moral bounds; Should the reasons be disputed, we'll just make up other grounds; Enraging several billions - to his brainlessness redounds; The Doofus marches on! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! THIS D FUSS MAR...CHESON! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness is *not* the unified field? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness is *not* the unified field? Gotta define both before you can really take a stance. It's really the old Materialism versus Idealism debate: Is consciousness emergent from matter, or is matter emergent from consciousness? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of "Is Consciousness the Unified Field?" Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness is *not* the unified field? I'm not sure what meeting you mean. "Is Consciousness the Unified Field" was a paper Hagelin wrote year ago. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness is *not* the unified field? I'm not sure what meeting you mean. Is Consciousness the Unified Field was a paper Hagelin wrote year ago. Sense of the meeting is a phrase I've heard meeting facilitators use. It feels out how the group feels without voting. It takes into account with strength with which people hold views, as well as the number of people who hold a given view. I've only been following this thread with one eye, as it were, so I may have misapprehended what you all are talking about. I thought there was some discussion of whether consciousness was indeed the unified field. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
My teacher has decided that since people have an interest in learning to give shaktipat that he will offer a course on it right here in the US. We call the technique PowerTouch: http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm This way you don't have to hassle with visas, foreign air travel and it can be done on two-week vacation time: http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm Should be fun! Jai Ma, Bhairitu Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
Do I have to touch others to get the benefits for myself? Can I just tap my own forehead to get a kundalini rush? Will I be trained to tell how much kundalini a person can handle? When people come to me with their health in jeopardy because their kundalini is out of control, wil I be qualified to help them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My teacher has decided that since people have an interest in learning to give shaktipat that he will offer a course on it right here in the US. We call the technique PowerTouch: http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm This way you don't have to hassle with visas, foreign air travel and it can be done on two-week vacation time: http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm Should be fun! Jai Ma, Bhairitu Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness is *not* the unified field? Gotta define both before you can really take a stance. It's really the old Materialism versus Idealism debate: Is consciousness emergent from matter, or is matter emergent from consciousness? +++ The evidence would indicate the latter. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 23, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of "Is Consciousness the Unified Field?" Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness is *not* the unified field? I'm not sure what meeting you mean. "Is Consciousness the Unified Field" was a paper Hagelin wrote year ago. "Sense of the meeting" is a phrase I've heard meeting facilitators use. It feels out how the group feels without voting. It takes into account with strength with which people hold views, as well as the number of people who hold a given view. I've only been following this thread with one eye, as it were, so I may have misapprehended what you all are talking about. I thought there was some discussion of whether consciousness was indeed the unified field. That was the initial idea. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness is *not* the unified field? Gotta define both before you can really take a stance. It's really the old Materialism versus Idealism debate: Is consciousness emergent from matter, or is matter emergent from consciousness? +++ The evidence would indicate the latter. N. The interesting thing is that Idealism could (potentially) be proved, but never disproved; whereas Materialism could (potentially) be disproved but never proved. (Interesting to me, anyway.) I've never understood why Samuel Johnson would have thought kicking a rock refuted Idealism. Unless he just meant the world would *look* the same if Idealism were the case rather than Materialism, so it was a meaningless issue. Which is true--up to a point, at least. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
You *could* pay three thousand dollars for this class, plus maybe a thousand dollars for a hotel, and maybe five hundred dollars to get to the San Francisco Bay Area. Or, you could learn to give diksha from the Sai Maa master teachers in three hours for 55 dollars. Or, you can email me and I'll tell you how to give yourself and others diksha, free of charge. --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My teacher has decided that since people have an interest in learning to give shaktipat that he will offer a course on it right here in the US. We call the technique PowerTouch: http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm This way you don't have to hassle with visas, foreign air travel and it can be done on two-week vacation time: http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm Should be fun! Jai Ma, Bhairitu __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
You may ask those questions of Swami Abhayanand: [EMAIL PROTECTED] since he is teaching the course. Patrick Gillam wrote: Do I have to touch others to get the benefits for myself? Can I just tap my own forehead to get a kundalini rush? Will I be trained to tell how much kundalini a person can handle? When people come to me with their health in jeopardy because their kundalini is out of control, wil I be qualified to help them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My teacher has decided that since people have an interest in learning to give shaktipat that he will offer a course on it right here in the US. We call the technique PowerTouch: http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm This way you don't have to hassle with visas, foreign air travel and it can be done on two-week vacation time: http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm Should be fun! Jai Ma, Bhairitu To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:52 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote:Maybe his reputation within the theoretical physicists community has been damaged, but is that such a big deal. Hagelin gets paid well, gets lots of attention, esp female, within the movt and now new age circles, gets into flaky films, had TBs thinking he could be president. For an academic he's had a colorful career.Being a TMO celebrity would probably be more fun than being a physicist...esp. with the groupies--young yoginis.I wonder how much he gets paid? The lost potential that pisses me off is Doug Henning, a genuinely gifted creative genius who was a bona fide celebrity influencing millions of people with his wonderful shows on stage and TV. He wasted all those years in the prime of his career on a typical unachievable mov't project and then dies almost in obscurity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a TMO celebrity would probably be more fun than being a physicist...esp. with the groupies--young yoginis. I wonder how much he gets paid? Three gopis per day. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
Jesus wept --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My teacher has decided that since people have an interest in learning to give shaktipat that he will offer a course on it right here in the US. We call the technique PowerTouch: http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm This way you don't have to hassle with visas, foreign air travel and it can be done on two-week vacation time: http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm Should be fun! Jai Ma, Bhairitu Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
