[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-09 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Ever heard the crow-and-the-coconut analogy? It
  appears in many Indian and Tibetan teachings.
  The seeker is hangin' out, just Being, and a
  crow alights on a branch on the tree in front
  of him. Immediately afterwards, a coconut falls
  from a branch on the other side of the tree.
  
  Now, was there a cause and effect relationship
  between the crow landing on a branch over here
  and the coconut falling off another branch over
  there? Well, there may be or there may not be.
  We will never know. We can only make up stories
  about either the connection between these two
  events or the lack of any such connection and 
  hope that the stories inspire us.
  
  Life just expands. Spending a lot of time assign-
  ing a cause to those moments in which expands
  a great deal seems to me like a waste of time.
  Better to just surf the wave of expansion.
 
 
 Part of the problem I have with what I see as *reductionist*
 conclusions, like the one above *...better to just surf the 
 wave of expansion... is it categorically disallows the 
 possibility that some people, maybe many people, actually 
 enjoy the process of thinking about and analyzing things. 

Many people enjoy masturbating, too. When it comes
to figuring out the real cause and effect relation-
ships of events in the world, I suggest there is
a parallel. :-)

That is, if you enjoy, it, pound away. But I really
don't believe that you'll ever find an answer that
has any particular truth to it. 

 If you read a bit of ayurveda you learn about the 
 pitta mind v. the vata mind. 

More theories. Theories are nice for people who get
off on them; I prefer experience. 

 If you ever read Dr. Bernard Jensen, he talks about 
 the calcium type who is not prone to deep analysis 
 (can't remember which of his types are the thinkers). 
 It's an individual thing, don't you think? For some 
 analysis is serious, they need to know. 

The point of the analogy is that there are some things
they can *never* know. Ever. No matter how long they
ponder or study them. Enlightenment will not change
this; they *still* won't know.

 For those who see analysis as silly, it's...well...silly
 and they cannot figure out why anyone would bother to try 
 to figure it out.

Oh, I can understand it. I like to analyze myself 
from time to time. I just don't consider it any more
meaningful than whacking off, that's all. 













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[FairfieldLife] William's here!

2006-05-09 Thread cardemaister




Bill Clinton'll be speaking today here:

http://www.tampere-talo.fi/english/

It's about a mile away from where this
sucker lives. Interesting to see whether
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy -- clintons, sexual harrassment

2006-05-09 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
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  Do you guys ever think you might have a tad too much
  pitta in your systems? I've never seen such petty
  arguing in my life.
 
 Thanks for the synopsis. I had skipped over all of it, but 
 sometimes you wonder if you might have missed something good.

I think you can relax about that. I've been skipping
all posts made by several people for a month or more
now, and don't feel I've missed anything at all. :-)

And for the ones I don't skip immediately when I see
the name of the poster in the header, my rule of
thumb has become, Click NEXT the instant that the
poster tries to turn a discussion into an argument.
It's made reading FFL a great deal more pleasurable.














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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

2006-05-09 Thread Jason Spock



   Yes Yes, modern technology should be used.  The Super-Massive Black-Hole in the centre of the Galaxy also should be included in the Jyotish calculations. Now you know it's position..!!  Qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 03:40:26 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish---Right:...The trans-Saturnian planets are "known" to the Vedic pundits as to vibrations; but these planets are not incorporated
 into Indian horoscopes since their exact positions can only be known using modern technology. But now that the locations of these planets ARE known, there's positively NO excuse (IMO - after 30 years investigating astrology); to incorporate their transits into readings.Some Indian astrologers attempt to sweep these planets under the rug, saying they're not important. Baloney!...They are VERY important.  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

2006-05-09 Thread Sal Sunshine
Is this anything like the New Math, Bob?


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[FairfieldLife] 'From PSYOP to Mindwar Fox News'

2006-05-09 Thread Robert Gimbel



"From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory" is a military paper on psychological warfare, written by Lt. Col. Michael Aquino and Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980. It was sent, writes Aquino, "to various governmental offices, agencies, commands and publications involved or interested in PSYOP." I think it bears a close read now, because it describes a top-down psychological conditioning Americans may find familiar. And it's not insignificant to note that co-author Vallely is now senior military analyst for FOX News...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy -- clintons, sexual harrassment

2006-05-09 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
 steve.sundur@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
  
   Do you guys ever think you might have a tad too much
   pitta in your systems? I've never seen such petty
   arguing in my life.
  
  Thanks for the synopsis. I had skipped over all of it, but 
  sometimes you wonder if you might have missed something good.
 
 I think you can relax about that. I've been skipping
 all posts made by several people for a month or more
 now, and don't feel I've missed anything at all. :-)

Yup, a fail-safe approach. If you *do* miss something
good, you'll never know you missed it.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'From PSYOP to Mindwar Fox News'

2006-05-09 Thread Vaj




On May 9, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:

 From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory is a military 
 paper on psychological warfare, written by Lt. Col. Michael Aquino 
 and Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980. It was sent, writes Aquino, to 
 various governmental offices, agencies, commands and publications 
 involved or interested in PSYOP. I think it bears a close read 
 now, because it describes a top-down psychological conditioning 
 Americans may find familiar. And it's not insignificant to note 
 that co-author Vallely is now senior military analyst for FOX News...


If you want to read something chilling, read Aquino's Ph.D. 
dissertation _The Neutron Bomb_ on surgical removal of large groups 
of humans via neutron bombs. Particularly chilling when you consider 
it was written by a practicing Satanist.

http://www.xeper.org/maquino/






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'From PSYOP to Mindwar Fox News'

2006-05-09 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On May 9, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:
 
  From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory is a 
  military paper on psychological warfare, written by Lt. 
  Col. Michael Aquino and Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980. It 
  was sent, writes Aquino, to various governmental offices, 
  agencies, commands and publications involved or interested 
  in PSYOP. I think it bears a close read now, because it 
  describes a top-down psychological conditioning 
  Americans may find familiar. And it's not insignificant to 
  note that co-author Vallely is now senior military analyst 
  for FOX News...
 
 
 If you want to read something chilling, read Aquino's Ph.D. 
 dissertation _The Neutron Bomb_ on surgical removal of 
 large groups of humans via neutron bombs. Particularly 
 chilling when you consider it was written by a practicing 
 Satanist.
 
 http://www.xeper.org/maquino/

Satanist, schmatinist..the realities of modern warfare
are even more chilling when supposedly *sane* people
are discussing them and considering nuclear warfare
a feasible option. The other night the Arte channel
here played a 1965 film by Peter Watkins called The
War Game. I was riveted to the screen.

What it is a mockumentary, dealing with what would
be the real, documented effects of a nuclear strike
on Britain at that time. Although parts are played
by actors, the data on which the film was based was
all real, straight from official government documents.
It's one of the most powerful pieces of propaganda --
or more accurately anti-propaganda -- I've ever seen.

It's anti-propaganda because Watkins had noticed the
almost *total* lack of discussion of or explanation of
the realities of nuclear war -- in the press, from the
government, period. *Everyone* had their heads firmly
stuck in the sand, and were proceeding at full speed
with the Cold War and the arms race, as if none of
these facts about what actually *happens* to *people*
when a nuclear weapon is used were relevant. So he
acted it out onscreen, showing how many people would
be blinded by the initial burst, then how many would 
die in the next few days from burns, over the next
few weeks from dehydration, etc. It's just horror-
provoking, and this was in an era where the data he
was working from dealt with bombs that were in the
one-megaton range, not today's 50-to-100 megaton
weapons.

It struck me how disassociated people can become with
regard to horror. He read from official government
documents stating that nuclear weapons were definitely
feasible, and then showed exactly what feasible would
mean in terms of the number of dead, maimed, and incur-
ably insane Britons. The film was originally funded by
the BBC, and then banned from being telecast when the
government saw what it contained. It was not, however,
banned from being shown in theaters, and went on to
show in many places, and to win the Acadamy Award for
Best Documentary that year. Still powerful, still
relevant...if you can find it somewhere, it's a real
eye-opener.

Very, very powerful piece of filmmaking. It made me
realize that the amazing thing is that we have managed
*NOT* to blow ourselves off the planet in the inter-
vening 40 years. With so many people in so many positions
of power ignoring the realities of nuclear war, and saying
that it is both feasible and survivable, it's an absolute
miracle that we're all still here.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: William's here!

2006-05-09 Thread cardemaister



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 Bill Clinton'll be speaking today here:
 
 http://www.tampere-talo.fi/english/
 
 It's about a mile away from where this
 sucker lives. Interesting to see whether
 his possible aura will be detectable! :D


At least the weather is fine!

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'From PSYOP to Mindwar Fox News'

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/9/06 8:25 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Satanist, schmatinist..the realities of modern warfare
 are even more chilling when supposedly *sane* people
 are discussing them and considering nuclear warfare
 a feasible option. The other night the Arte channel
 here played a 1965 film by Peter Watkins called The
 War Game. I was riveted to the screen.

NetFlix has it: http://tinyurl.com/jsspm








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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

2006-05-09 Thread markmeredith2002



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Europeans for hundreds of centuries could not distinguish between 
 planets and stars -- they were simply mysterious objects in the sky. 
 If Jyotish sages did not know the difference, many thousands of years 
 ago, between stars and planets, then they would have confounded the 
 two in setting up Jyotish (the star Sirius is brighter than Saturn), 
 but they did not:

Hindus did make many significant early contributions to astronomy,
here's one of many good articles:
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0802/214.html

But the theory that only enlightened vedic sages traveling throughout
the universe knew about the planets in ancient history is not true. 
Here's one of many sources on history of astronomy:

http://www.astroenergetics.com/HTML/History.html

Astronomy-astrology is said to have originated with the Chaldeans, in
Babylon, Mesopotamia, (now Iraq) around the fourth millennium BC. It
was practiced in the temples, where it was blended with religious
elements. Later, it spread to Egypt, and around the third millennium
BC was being used by rulers to predict the fate of nations: war or
peace, famine or plenty.

The Chinese were also skilled astronomers, and are thought to have
independently begun to use forms of prediction, along with the Maya of
Central America and the peoples of ancient India. Some experts believe
that Chinese astronomy may extend as far back as 5000 BC.

Recent researches into the Pyramids and Sphinx of Giza suggest that
observation of heavenly bodies may have even more distant origins.
There is startling new evidence that the principal Giza monuments form
an accurate terrestial map of the three stars of Orion's belt as
these constellations appeared in 10,500 BC.















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[FairfieldLife] Bob Liatunik

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Bob Liatunik





Robert Liatunick, 1948-2006


Dear Meditating Community,

I am so sorry to tell you my brother, Robert Liatunick, passed away on Thursday, May 4 in Pittsburgh, Pa. after a short (but seemingly long) bout with liver cancer which he wanted to keep private. Since 1973 he had taught Transcendental Meditation to 1300 people worldwide and was a devoted member of Purusha since 1982. His greatest joy was sharing the Vedic knowledge Maharishi Mahesh Yogi brought to the world and going for his own enlightenment. His second greatest joys were water sports, rocking out with the Stones, seeing the humor in the absurd and being part of our family.

We will remember him as beloved son of Arline and the late George Liatunick, brother-in-law and best friend of Scott Walker, playful uncle of Ananda, Gabe and Nolan Walker whom he inspired to attend Maharishi University of Management, wise friend to many and my big brother~ truly the best brother I could have ever asked for.

A Celebration of his Life will be held on his birthday, June 12th, in Fairfield, IA. All are welcome. 

May he enjoy soaring with the angels,
Jai Guru Dev,
Sheryl Walker and family
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'From PSYOP to Mindwar Fox News'

2006-05-09 Thread Vaj




On May 9, 2006, at 9:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 Satanist, schmatinist..the realities of modern warfare
 are even more chilling when supposedly *sane* people
 are discussing them and considering nuclear warfare
 a feasible option


Well the difference in this case is the neutron bombs is/was promoted 
as a compassionate nuclear weapon--an absurd notion. It just kills 
sentient beings but leaves no significant fall out. In other words 
you can kill the population of a city and then still occupy that city 
because it does not leave residual radiation. Since the distance that 
the neutron flux remains deadly is a known distance for a given bomb, 
you can use it even in the battlefield to surgically eliminate the 
enemy.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'From PSYOP to Mindwar Fox News'

2006-05-09 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On May 9, 2006, at 9:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  Satanist, schmatinist..the realities of modern warfare
  are even more chilling when supposedly *sane* people
  are discussing them and considering nuclear warfare
  a feasible option
 
 Well the difference in this case is the neutron bombs is/was 
 promoted as a compassionate nuclear weapon--an absurd notion. 
 It just kills sentient beings but leaves no significant fall 
 out. In other words you can kill the population of a city and 
 then still occupy that city because it does not leave residual 
 radiation. Since the distance that the neutron flux remains 
 deadly is a known distance for a given bomb, you can use it 
 even in the battlefield to surgically eliminate the 
 enemy.

[ WARNING: Don't read this if you don't like knowing about
icky things like the bomb Vaj describes above. ]

As I understand it, however, the neutron bomb really never
got off the planning boards. HOWEVER, there are far ickier
weapons out there.

Living in Santa Fe, I had occasion to meet and get to know
a lot of people who worked up at the National Labs in Los
Alamos. Although they were not allowed to talk about the
things they were working on, a few of them have since quit,
and have gone public about why they did.

One was a fellow who, when the Labs that have the worst
record in the country for handling nuclear materials were
given the green light after 9/11 to build a multi-billion
dollar Bioweapons Lab, was told to report to his new
assignment, and found that it was all about developing
*racially-oriented* viruses. That is, his job was going
to be trying to design a virus that killed only Chinese
people. 

Idiots that the administrators were, they hadn't even
noticed that this guy was partially Chinese. He quit.

Just THINK about the mindset that is working to create
weapons that can take out an entire group of people, 
based solely on their genetic code. That's the world
you live in. And that's the kind of people who run it.












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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'From PSYOP to Mindwar Fox News'

2006-05-09 Thread Vaj




On May 9, 2006, at 11:32 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 One was a fellow who, when the Labs that have the worst
 record in the country for handling nuclear materials were
 given the green light after 9/11 to build a multi-billion
 dollar Bioweapons Lab, was told to report to his new
 assignment, and found that it was all about developing
 *racially-oriented* viruses. That is, his job was going
 to be trying to design a virus that killed only Chinese
 people.

 Idiots that the administrators were, they hadn't even
 noticed that this guy was partially Chinese. He quit.

 Just THINK about the mindset that is working to create
 weapons that can take out an entire group of people,
 based solely on their genetic code. That's the world
 you live in. And that's the kind of people who run it.


Yeah I'd known about these for quite some time now. They've been 
around long before 9/11/01.

And we're not the only ones making 'em.

As Stuart Davis sings:

We've no compassion,
 but we can split the atom.






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[FairfieldLife] Democracy Has Failed

2006-05-09 Thread scienceofabundance



No...not MMY. Another enlightened leader is now saying the same thing:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Democracy Has Failed

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



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 No...not MMY. Another enlightened leader is now saying the same 
thing:
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran



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[FairfieldLife] Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread curtisdeltablues



For the people who said nice things, or listened to my music, thanks!
 I knew many interesting people in the movement. 

Having pursued TM's programs intensely for 15 years, I gave it a fair
shot. My break with the movement was in 1989, the same year I started
playing guitar to back my harp. That may explain how I found the time
to practice.

This post got my attention: I suspect he's a person of extremes: from
pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied
executive type to grubby street musician...

With my clean-cut picture on my Website, why would you describe me as
grubby? My street-performing heroes, whose music I play; Robert
Johnson, Son House and Charley Patton, were not grubby guys either. 
They wore suits. (Charley Patton wore a bow tie like Tucker Carlson!) 

Maybe it was Curt McDonald with the bow ties. I never owned one. 

I did work at the CNL before TTC but never threw anyone out on the
street. I was just a lowly minion at the CNL.

And now a word from Dr. Phil:
Goodness only knows what he'll do if he gets tired
of playing a bluesman. Will he ever feel free of
the need to play a role, and play himself for a
change?

Having played Delta blues harp since I was 14 years old, performing my
art is not a role. My blues show is a revival of a dying style of
acoustic blues played in the open air. I have performed on the
Riverfront boardwalk venue in Old Town, Alexandria for the last 10
years. I also teach a history of blues show in schools. 

The comment about my CD: that I sound like I was slightly holding
back, was right on. Since I play all my instruments at once, and do
not multi-track to correct errors, it is hard to go balls-out without
having something go wrong somewhere on any given take. I play the
pieces in the original weird guitar tunings, so keeping it all
together is very difficult. So my first CD is a compromise from my
live performance. It is an honest snapshot of my music though, so if
you don't dig it you wouldn't be wowed by my live show. But a note in
a live show hangs in the air for only a second, so I can take more
risks and push the emotional edge further.

To hear the real deal in a live setting, if you are in Fairfield,
check out Catfish Keith at the Café Paradiso, Fri, Aug 11 at 8:00. He
plays this style and totally rocks.

The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally
true. I have no soul.

I have been out of TM now longer than I was into it. My rejection of
that life was not meant to be a rejection of the people I cared about
in the movement. If any old friends want to contact me, I would enjoy
hearing from you.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] There's nothing girlish about him

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer



Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did either,
even though he lived and traveled in it so long.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread Sal Sunshine
Thanks for an honest reply, Curtis.  I hope your new (well, not really new at this point) life gives you much enjoyment.  

And, FWIW, I agreed with most of what you said over on ATM and didn't really understand all the flak tossed your way.  Sorry about the bowtie comment--but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)

Sal


On May 9, 2006, at 1:20 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

For the people who said nice things, or listened to my music, thanks!
I knew many interesting people in the movement. 

Having pursued TM's programs intensely for 15 years, I gave it a fair
shot.  My break with the movement was in 1989, the same year I started
playing guitar to back my harp.  That may explain how I found the time
to practice.

This post got my attention: I suspect he's a person of extremes: from
pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied
executive type to grubby street musician...

With my clean-cut picture on my Website, why would you describe me as
grubby?  My street-performing heroes, whose music I play; Robert
Johnson, Son House and Charley Patton, were not grubby guys either.
They wore suits.  (Charley Patton wore a bow tie like Tucker Carlson!)  

Maybe it was Curt McDonald with the bow ties. I never owned one.

I did work at the CNL before TTC but never threw anyone out on the
street.  I was just a lowly minion at the CNL.

And now a word from Dr. Phil:
Goodness only knows what he'll do if he gets tired
of playing a bluesman.  Will he ever feel free of
the need to play a role, and play himself for a
change?

Having played Delta blues harp since I was 14 years old, performing my
art is not a role.  My blues show is a revival of a dying style of
acoustic blues played in the open air. I have performed on the
Riverfront boardwalk venue in Old Town, Alexandria for the last 10
years. I also teach a history of blues show in schools.  

The comment about my CD: that I sound like I was slightly holding
back, was right on.  Since I play all my instruments at once, and do
not multi-track to correct errors, it is hard to go balls-out without
having something go wrong somewhere on any given take.  I play the
pieces in the original weird guitar tunings, so keeping it all
together is very difficult. So my first CD is a compromise from my
live performance.  It is an honest snapshot of my music though, so if
you don't dig it you wouldn't be wowed by my live show.  But a note in
a live show hangs in the air for only a second, so I can take more
risks and push the emotional edge further.

To hear the real deal in a live setting, if you are in Fairfield,
check out Catfish Keith at the Café Paradiso, Fri, Aug 11 at 8:00.  He
plays this style and totally rocks.

The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally
true. I have no soul.

I have been out of TM now longer than I was into it.  My rejection of
that life was not meant to be a rejection of the people I cared about
in the movement.  If any old friends want to contact me, I would enjoy
hearing from you.

Curtis 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] There's nothing girlish about him

2006-05-09 Thread Sal Sunshine
I'd say he got it only too well--gullible Westerners/Americans looking for a daddy-replacement in their lives will buy anything, no matter how loony-sounding.

Sal

On May 9, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did either,
even though he lived and traveled in it so long.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread curtisdeltablues



Thanks Sal.

but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)

There goes the last bit of my street cred!












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[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him

2006-05-09 Thread markmeredith2002



I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be
in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some
TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real
power over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone,
can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I
dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. So
controlling the various business operations and offshore accounts is
what matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understands
that. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYs
is an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybe
those people are gullible to buy into that).

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 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/328a?b=2
 
 
 I find this photo one of the most disturbing I have ever seen of any 
 TMO photo.
 
 The immediate reason I feel this is for the obvious reason: this 
 beloved nephew deems to put himself on the same level as MMY. 
 
 How arrogant. How silly!
 
 It is so obvious as to how this guy feels about his place in the 
 Movement that I am embarrassed for him. I don't think he has a clue 
 in what light Westerners would see him when they see him -- while 
 MMY is alive no less! -- putting himself in a photo beside MMY in a 
 same sized photo on the same level.
 
 What this photo does is make me think of what happened to the Guru 
 Maharaj Ji cult of the mid-70's. Remember him? He was the 13-year-
 old incarnation of God that had quite a following there for awhile. 
 But the whole thing came crashing down one day -- out of the blue -- 
 when unexpectedly (at least to the Westerners who followed him) his 
 mother back in India announced that she and the family were 
 disowning him and replacing him as God by his older brother. 
 
 Of course, as a result, the whole family business took a nose-dive.
 
 The family just didn't have a clue: it was nutty enough in the first 
 place that a 13-year-old could be the incarnation of God. But it 
 was sellable in its outrageousness and enough drugged-out ex-hippies 
 in the US and the Western World bought it to make it both a viable 
 cult AND quite a financially-viable enterprise.
 
 BUT what the West wouldn't accept was a Mother rejecting her own son 
 and replacing him as God with another son. This was just TOO 
 nutty. And like the Stalin revelations by Kruschev in the mid-'50s 
 which resulted in 90% of the American Communist Party giving up 
 their membership, so did the little God's cult end overnight.
 
 The family just didn't get it; had they, I suggest, they would never 
 have risked the family fortune by disowning the 13-year-old. Some 
 other accomodation to the obvious rift between the son and the 
 Mother would have been worked out.
 
 I suggest that their not getting it happened because this Indian 
 family simply couldn't grasp the Western paradigm and culture and 
 didn't assess what the fall-out would be; there was a disconnect 
 between their Indian Eastern culture and the West. Indians would 
 understand naming another son as God; Westerners said: enough! This 
 is a cult and I won't have the wool pulled over my eyes anymore than 
 it already has and I want out!
 
 Girish has the same problem. I am convinced this guy has designs on 
 becoming MMY's successor. But what he doesn't realize is that just 
 because he's a relative and that this may sell in India, no one in 
 the West is going to buy into it.
 
 This is the first indications of the scism that will happen not too 
 soon after MMY dies: Girish will proclaim himself and King Ram-A-
 Lama-Ding-Dong Nader will proclaim himself in Holland.
 
 And everyone in the Movement will take sides.
 
 And when that happens, everything will, of course, fall apart even 
 more than they have fallen apart in the sorry state of affairs 
 they're in today.
 
 So TMO people will join Girlish or Nader. But then a large 
 contingent will move towards SSRS, simply because -- relative to 
 these two other nutjobs -- at least SSRS looks like a guru, is 
 young, and can act the part.
 
 So those are three schisms.
 
 The fourth schism will be the independents who will just say: fuck 
 it, I'm teaching TM for whatever price is reasonable and I'm doing 
 it on my own.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/9/06 2:05 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be
 in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some
 TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real
 power over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone,
 can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I
 dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. So
 controlling the various business operations and offshore accounts is
 what matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understands
 that. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYs
 is an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybe
 those people are gullible to buy into that).

Some may, but the guy is pretty deficient in the charisma department. He'd
better learn to manifest ash or something. He could afford to pay for
lessons from David Blaine or David Copperfield.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him

2006-05-09 Thread markmeredith2002



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 5/9/06 2:05 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be
  in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some
  TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real
  power over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone,
  can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I
  dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. So
  controlling the various business operations and offshore accounts is
  what matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understands
  that. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYs
  is an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybe
  those people are gullible to buy into that).
 
 Some may, but the guy is pretty deficient in the charisma
department. He'd
 better learn to manifest ash or something. He could afford to pay for
 lessons from David Blaine or David Copperfield.

Great idea. It appears Blaine's latest stunt kind of bombed, so he
might need some consulting work. Girish just need to be sure he's
close to the bed when MMY goes, so he can say the shakti got passed on
then and now, voila he can do miracles. 

BTW -- who are the spaced out westerners in the photo with him?? 
Wonder if he's got english purushas serving him - colonial revenge.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



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 Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did 
either,
 even though he lived and traveled in it so long.


I agree...and it was only to the extent that he did in an honest and 
innocent way did it work to his advantage. I'm talking of course 
about the scientific research stuff. Yes, reasonable and pretty 
great thing to say: of course, no belief is necessary for TM to work 
and, indeed, you can scientifically measure the phenomenon to see if 
it works.

This approach was wonderful and worked to the advantage of the 
movement.

But when MMY started to paint the sides of scientific booklets gold 
and selectively publish and edit studies it, of course, turned 
people off.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



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 Thanks Sal.
 
 but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)
 
 There goes the last bit of my street cred!


Curtis:

I knew you only in passing when we were at MIU together ('75 to '79) 
but I do remember your harmonica playing which was pretty impressive.

And you look good in your photograph...but, hey, I guess we can't say 
that it's TM practise that's keeping you looking as young as you do, 
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[FairfieldLife] Question for Rick

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



In the Photos section you have posted two photos of 
MMY's girlfriends.

What I find interesting is that you named both of them -- fully -- 
both first and last name.

Isn't that something new on your part? If I remember correctly, in 
earlier references that you have made to both of them the farthest you 
went was just using their first names: Judith and Linda.

Am I correct on this?

And, if so, why are you revealing their last names now?

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[FairfieldLife] Johnny - (of Johnny and the hurricanes).

2006-05-09 Thread uns_tressor



The first person ever to place the saxophone at
the very centre of a pop group has died. Quite
sad, really. A lot of old U.S. rockers have been
turning up here for comeback tours. Not so, these
guys.

Well done, that man. Blow your horn for God.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread curtisdeltablues



Thanks for the note. I remember those Forest Academy talent shows
fondly. They helped me keep my harp chops up.

Kind words about looking young. My show is so physically demanding
that I have to train for it hard. Harp playing is probably some
obscure version of Pranayama!

Of course spending our MIU college years without a beer-bong hat on
couldn't have hurt! 






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  Thanks Sal.
  
  but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)
  
  There goes the last bit of my street cred!
 
 
 Curtis:
 
 I knew you only in passing when we were at MIU together ('75 to '79) 
 but I do remember your harmonica playing which was pretty impressive.
 
 And you look good in your photograph...but, hey, I guess we can't say 
 that it's TM practise that's keeping you looking as young as you do, 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Johnny - (of Johnny and the hurricanes).

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



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 The first person ever to place the saxophone at
 the very centre of a pop group has died. Quite
 sad, really. A lot of old U.S. rockers have been
 turning up here for comeback tours. Not so, these
 guys.
 
 Well done, that man. Blow your horn for God.



Never heard of him.

I seem to recall a Rory and the Hurricanes as being an inspiration 
for the Beatles...am I getting the names mixed up?










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



Curtis: were you the one, while you were at MIU, who went out with 
that initiator from Alaska? I think she was the one who later on 
went out with Steve Bernhardt...



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 Thanks for the note. I remember those Forest Academy talent shows
 fondly. They helped me keep my harp chops up.
 
 Kind words about looking young. My show is so physically demanding
 that I have to train for it hard. Harp playing is probably some
 obscure version of Pranayama!
 
 Of course spending our MIU college years without a beer-bong hat on
 couldn't have hurt! 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   Thanks Sal.
   
   but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)
   
   There goes the last bit of my street cred!
  
  
  Curtis:
  
  I knew you only in passing when we were at MIU together ('75 
to '79) 
  but I do remember your harmonica playing which was pretty 
impressive.
  
  And you look good in your photograph...but, hey, I guess we 
can't say 
  that it's TM practise that's keeping you looking as young as you 
do, 
  eh? -):
 











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[FairfieldLife] Gee, where have we heard this before?

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



Scientology nearly ready to unveil Super Power
In the works for decades, the closely guarded spiritual training 
program will be revealed in Clearwater.
By ROBERT FARLEY, Times Staff Writer
Published May 6, 2006

-
---

CLEARWATER - Matt Feshbach believes he has super powers. He senses 
danger faster than most people. He appreciates beauty more deeply 
than he used to. He says he outperforms his peers in the money 
management industry.

He heightened his powers of perception in 1995 when he went to Los 
Angeles and became the first and so far only public Scientologist 
to take a highly classified Scientology program called Super Power.

Where in L.A. did he do this?

Just in Los Angeles, is all Feshbach will say. Super Power is that 
secret.

Under wraps for decades, Super Power now is being prepped for its 
eventual rollout in Scientology's massive building in downtown 
Clearwater. That will be the only place worldwide where the program, 
much anticipated by Scientologists, will be offered.

A key aim of Super Power is to enhance one's perceptions - and not 
just the five senses we all know - hearing, sight, touch, taste and 
smell.

Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard taught that people have 
57 perceptics. They include an ability to discern relative sizes, 
blood circulation, balance, compass direction, temperature, gravity 
and an awareness of importance, unimportance.

Church officials won't discuss specifics of Super Power. But 
Feshbach and another prominent Clearwater Scientologist who, like 
Feshbach, is a major donor to Super Power's building fund, provided 
some details in interviews with the St. Petersburg Times. A group of 
former Scientologists who worked for the church on a campus in 
California where the program was in development also described 
elements of it.

Super Power uses machines, apparatus and specially designed rooms to 
exercise and enhance a person's so-called perceptics. Those machines 
include an antigravity simulator and a gyroscope-like apparatus that 
spins a person around while blindfolded to improve perception of 
compass direction, said the former Scientologists. 

A video screen that moves forward and backward while flashing images 
is used to hone a viewer's ability to identify subliminal messages, 
they said.

Hubbard promised Super Power would improve perceptions and put the 
person into a new realm of ability. He believed it would unlock 
abilities needed to spread Scientology across the planet.

For Feshbach it's like nothing he has ever done in Scientology.

I got it. I loved it, he gushed.

Feshbach, 52, and his two brothers became famous in investment 
circles during the 1980s as the kings of short selling stocks - 
essentially betting which stocks will tank. At one point, the 
California-based Feshbach Bros. managed $1-billion for clients.

Feshbach now lives in Belleair, where his wife, Kathy, runs a 
Scientology mission. Because he donated millions to the Super Power 
building fund, he was invited to undergo the program.

It's geared toward creating a more competent spiritual being, he 
said. I'm not dependant on my physical body to perceive things.

He offered this anecdote:

He had just finished his perceptics training and was at the Los 
Angeles airport, preparing to fly home to the Tampa Bay area. He 
stood at a crosswalk with perhaps 20 others, including a woman and 
her son, an antsy boy 6 or 7 years old.

As the light turned green, the boy bolted into the street, ahead of 
his mother. Feshbach perceived a pickup bearing down on the boy, 
driven by a young woman.

He yelled and saved the boy's life by a quarter of an inch, he said.

Coincidence? Feshbach doesn't think so. No one else saw the pickup, 
he says. He believes that, through the Super Power program, he 
elevated his perceptive abilities beyond those of the others at that 
crosswalk. His enhanced perceptions have played out numerous times 
since, he said.

Super Power takes weeks, not months to complete, said Feshbach. He 
would not discuss the specific machines and drills that former 
Scientologists said are used to enhance perceptions.

The perceptics portion of Super Power is one of 12 rundowns in the 
full program, Feshbach said. But it clearly is a key aspect.

Details of Super Power training have been kept secret even from 
church members. Like much of Scientology training, details aren't 
revealed until one pays to take the course.

Asked about Super Power, church spokesman Ben Shaw provided a 
written statement: Super Power is a series of spiritual counseling 
processes designed to give a person back his own viewpoint, increase 
his perception, exercise his power of choice, and greatly enhance 
other spiritual abilities.

Shaw would not say how much the program will cost. Upper levels of 
Scientology training can run tens of thousands of dollars.

He declined to provide further insight into Super Power. It's 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 This post got my attention: I suspect he's a person of extremes: 
 from pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied
 executive type to grubby street musician...
 
 With my clean-cut picture on my Website, why would you describe me 
 as grubby?

Hi, Curtis. You can use my name, it's OK.

Didn't mean to step on your vanity. Grubby was
probably not the perfect choice of words as far as
your appearance is concerned, but I had in mind more
the, er, profession itself in contrast to your TM
center chairman position.

Good street musicians are worth their weight in
gold as far as I'm concerned, and I personally prefer
guys in T-shirts and jeans to guys in suits
(especially with bowties, which someone said you
used to wear, apparently in error), so it wasn't a
personal comment so much as a point, again, about
the contrast, which *is* pretty extreme.

 And now a word from Dr. Phil:
 Goodness only knows what he'll do if he gets tired
 of playing a bluesman. Will he ever feel free of
 the need to play a role, and play himself for a
 change?
 
 Having played Delta blues harp since I was 14 years old, performing
 my art is not a role. My blues show is a revival of a dying style 
 of acoustic blues played in the open air.

I'm sure performing your art is not a role. I
was referring to your taking the role of street
musician in a dying tradition as a framework for
that performance.

I guess this quote from your Web site from Tom
Marshall is what sort of crystallized that
impression:

Seeing Curtis 'work the street' is an education
in the history of music. Like witnessing a scene
from a Vicksburg Mississippi train station, in
the 1930's.

It's a fine and honorable role, Curtis, but it
*is* a role. I mean, just for one obvious thing,
you're a white guy.

 The comment about my CD: that I sound like I was slightly holding
 back, was right on. Since I play all my instruments at once, and do
 not multi-track to correct errors, it is hard to go balls-out 
 without having something go wrong somewhere on any given take. I 
 play the pieces in the original weird guitar tunings, so keeping it 
 all together is very difficult. So my first CD is a compromise from 
 my live performance.

I thought (and said) it was entirely possible
your live performances were different. But never
having seen you live, I could only comment on the
recording.

 It is an honest snapshot of my music though, so if
 you don't dig it you wouldn't be wowed by my live show. But a note
 in a live show hangs in the air for only a second, so I can take 
 more risks and push the emotional edge further.

That seemed to be more in evidence with your harp
playing on the CD, which are superb.

I'm glad you're doing something you enjoy--and are
clearly damn good at--and it certainly is a pleasure
to encounter you again in that very positive context
(which, you'll have to admit, is a lot different from
that of our previous encounters on alt.m.t).











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread cardemaister



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
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 The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally
 true. I have no soul.

I think I said it sounds a *bit* soulless. I was comparing
it to, say, John Lee Hooker, Lightnin' Hopkins (sp?), even
Sonny Boy Williamson II.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread curtisdeltablues



I just saw her last year. If you don't mind let's email on this
topic. I don't want to bring up someone's name publicly. Poor Steve!
 I liked him a lot. He was so far ahead of his time on the movement
perspective. Sorry to see him go.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Curtis: were you the one, while you were at MIU, who went out with 
 that initiator from Alaska? I think she was the one who later on 
 went out with Steve Bernhardt...
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  Thanks for the note. I remember those Forest Academy talent shows
  fondly. They helped me keep my harp chops up.
  
  Kind words about looking young. My show is so physically demanding
  that I have to train for it hard. Harp playing is probably some
  obscure version of Pranayama!
  
  Of course spending our MIU college years without a beer-bong hat on
  couldn't have hurt! 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
Thanks Sal.

but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)

There goes the last bit of my street cred!
   
   
   Curtis:
   
   I knew you only in passing when we were at MIU together ('75 
 to '79) 
   but I do remember your harmonica playing which was pretty 
 impressive.
   
   And you look good in your photograph...but, hey, I guess we 
 can't say 
   that it's TM practise that's keeping you looking as young as you 
 do, 
   eh? -):
  
 












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 snip
  This post got my attention: I suspect he's a person of 
extremes: 
  from pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied
  executive type to grubby street musician...
  
  With my clean-cut picture on my Website, why would you describe 
me 
  as grubby?
 
 Hi, Curtis. You can use my name, it's OK.
 
 Didn't mean to step on your vanity. Grubby was
 probably not the perfect choice of words as far as
 your appearance is concerned, but I had in mind more
 the, er, profession itself in contrast to your TM
 center chairman position.
 
 Good street musicians are worth their weight in
 gold as far as I'm concerned, and I personally prefer
 guys in T-shirts and jeans to guys in suits
 (especially with bowties, which someone said you
 used to wear, apparently in error), so it wasn't a
 personal comment so much as a point, again, about
 the contrast, which *is* pretty extreme.
 
  And now a word from Dr. Phil:
  Goodness only knows what he'll do if he gets tired
  of playing a bluesman. Will he ever feel free of
  the need to play a role, and play himself for a
  change?
  
  Having played Delta blues harp since I was 14 years old, 
performing
  my art is not a role. My blues show is a revival of a dying 
style 
  of acoustic blues played in the open air.
 
 I'm sure performing your art is not a role. I
 was referring to your taking the role of street
 musician in a dying tradition as a framework for
 that performance.
 
 I guess this quote from your Web site from Tom
 Marshall is what sort of crystallized that
 impression:
 
 Seeing Curtis 'work the street' is an education
 in the history of music. Like witnessing a scene
 from a Vicksburg Mississippi train station, in
 the 1930's.
 
 It's a fine and honorable role, Curtis, but it
 *is* a role. I mean, just for one obvious thing,
 you're a white guy.




What makes you think Curtis is a white guy?






 
  The comment about my CD: that I sound like I was slightly holding
  back, was right on. Since I play all my instruments at once, 
and do
  not multi-track to correct errors, it is hard to go balls-out 
  without having something go wrong somewhere on any given take. 
I 
  play the pieces in the original weird guitar tunings, so keeping 
it 
  all together is very difficult. So my first CD is a compromise 
from 
  my live performance.
 
 I thought (and said) it was entirely possible
 your live performances were different. But never
 having seen you live, I could only comment on the
 recording.
 
 It is an honest snapshot of my music though, so if
  you don't dig it you wouldn't be wowed by my live show. But a 
note
  in a live show hangs in the air for only a second, so I can take 
  more risks and push the emotional edge further.
 
 That seemed to be more in evidence with your harp
 playing on the CD, which are superb.
 
 I'm glad you're doing something you enjoy--and are
 clearly damn good at--and it certainly is a pleasure
 to encounter you again in that very positive context
 (which, you'll have to admit, is a lot different from
 that of our previous encounters on alt.m.t).











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[FairfieldLife] new movie: Water

2006-05-09 Thread wayback71



I just saw a new movie called Water from the same woman who did Fire a few years ago. 
Water is incredible, about the life of widows in India during the 1930's as Ghandi was 
becoming known. We were all fairly speechless for about an hour after the movie ended. 
The juxtaposition of religous (in this case Hindu) rituals and beliefs with unkindess and 
cruelty is astonishing.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him

2006-05-09 Thread Jason Spock



   After Maharishi reaches Samadhi, The Girish group needs Dr.Nader and Dr.Hagelin who have the Spiritual-Intellectual base to keep bringing in the Cash-flow. After Maharishi, Dr.Nader and Dr.Hagelin are the only Cash-Cows left. Without them I don't' see how the organisation would function. Somebody said, Dr. Bevan Morris is in charge of the Global Development Fund which is several hundred Million dollars. Perhaps, a Tussle for the Bank Accounts might be between Dr. Bevan Morris and Girish..???  MarkMeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:05:50 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about himI think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to bein line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for someTBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no realpower over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone, can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty
 much dead. Socontrolling the various business operations and offshore accounts iswhat matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understandsthat. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYsis an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybethose people are gullible to buy into that).  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
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  It's a fine and honorable role, Curtis, but it
  *is* a role. I mean, just for one obvious thing,
  you're a white guy.
 
 What makes you think Curtis is a white guy?

http://www.curtisblues.com/










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread curtisdeltablues



If those excellent players are your standard you know your blues! To
be fair you need to hear me play drunk since each of those players
were legendary for playing toasted!

Sonny Boy II is my favorite harp player. I like him much better than
 Little Walter. My harp style was influenced by Sonny Terry and John
Mayall in the early days. I am an acoustic player, pre-Chicago, more
like Sonny Boy I.

Now I am on the Louis Armstrong program : You blows what you is!
 


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  The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally
  true. I have no soul.
 
 I think I said it sounds a *bit* soulless. I was comparing
 it to, say, John Lee Hooker, Lightnin' Hopkins (sp?), even
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
 snip
   It's a fine and honorable role, Curtis, but it
   *is* a role. I mean, just for one obvious thing,
   you're a white guy.
  
  What makes you think Curtis is a white guy?
 
 http://www.curtisblues.com/


Judy. It's a joke. Loosen up. I know what he looks like, I went to 
school with him.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread Patrick Gillam



We talking about Steve's ex here? How's she doing? 
What's she doing?

--- curtisdeltablues wrote:

 I just saw her last year. If you don't mind let's email on this
 topic. I don't want to bring up someone's name publicly. Poor Steve!
 I liked him a lot. He was so far ahead of his time on the movement
 perspective. Sorry to see him go.
 
 --- shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  Curtis: were you the one, while you were at MIU, who went out with 
  that initiator from Alaska? I think she was the one who later on 
  went out with Steve Bernhardt...










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[FairfieldLife] Re: new movie: Water

2006-05-09 Thread Jason Spock



   Have you seen the Witch-Hunting that still goes on in remote parts of India.? There was a program on National-Geographic on this. The Astonishing Parallel between the medival European Witch-Hunting, was this Only Old Widows who had property, but Nobody to defendthem orprotect them was accused, targeted as Witches and killed.!!  Wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:09:58 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] new movie: WaterI just saw a new movie called Water from the same woman who did "Fire" a few years ago. Water is incredible, about the life of widows in India during the 1930's as Ghandi was becoming known. We were all fairly speechless for about an hour after the movie ended. The juxtaposition of religous (in this case Hindu) rituals and beliefs with unkindess and cruelty is astonishing.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
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 We talking about Steve's ex here?




...not Steve's ex-wife, but someone who I thought went out with both 
Steve and Curtis (she's from Alaska originally...her Dad was some 
sort of pioneer type)...







 How's she doing? 
 What's she doing?
 
 --- curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  I just saw her last year. If you don't mind let's email on this
  topic. I don't want to bring up someone's name publicly. Poor 
Steve!
  I liked him a lot. He was so far ahead of his time on the 
movement
  perspective. Sorry to see him go.
  
  --- shempmcgurk wrote:
  
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with 
   that initiator from Alaska? I think she was the one who later 
on 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: new movie: Water

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



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 Have you seen the Witch-Hunting that still goes on in remote 
parts of India.? There was a program on National-Geographic on this.
 
 The Astonishing Parallel between the medival European Witch-
Hunting, was this Only Old Widows who had property, but Nobody 
to defend them or protect them was accused, targeted as Witches and 
killed.!!




...sounds like American politics...




 
 
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 I just saw a new movie called Water from the same woman who 
did Fire a few years ago. 
 Water is incredible, about the life of widows in India during the 
1930's as Ghandi was becoming known. We were all fairly speechless 
for about an hour after the movie ended. The juxtaposition of 
religous (in this case Hindu) rituals and beliefs with unkindess and 
cruelty is astonishing.
 
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Johnny - (of Johnny and the hurricanes).

2006-05-09 Thread uns_tressor



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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ 
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  The first person ever to place the saxophone at
  the very centre of a pop group has died. Quite
  sad, really. A lot of old U.S. rockers have been
  turning up here for comeback tours. Not so, these
  guys.
  
  Well done, that man. Blow your horn for God.
 
 
 
 Never heard of him.
 
 I seem to recall a Rory and the Hurricanes 
as being an inspiration for the Beatles...am 
I getting the names mixed up?

Yes, in a word. Ringo Starr was their drummer.
I think the Beatles poached him and caused some
ill feeling.

Johnny and the Hurricanes did Red River Rock,
Reveille Rock, and of course Rocking Goose 
which ideal for accompaniment by motor horn
whilst driving.
Uns.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

2006-05-09 Thread Jason Spock



 The Word Planet means Wanderer. The Ancient Greeks could distinguish between Planets and Stars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy  MarkMeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:38:09 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New JyotishHindus did make many significant early
 contributions to astronomy,here's one of many good articles:http://www.hvk.org/articles/0802/214.htmlBut the theory that only enlightened vedic sages traveling throughoutthe universe knew about the planets in ancient history is not true. Here's one of many sources on history of astronomy:http://www.astroenergetics.com/HTML/History.htmlAstronomy-astrology is said to have originated with the Chaldeans, inBabylon, Mesopotamia, (now Iraq) around the fourth millennium BC. Itwas practiced in the temples, where
 it was blended with religiouselements. Later, it spread to Egypt, and around the third millenniumBC was being used by rulers to predict the fate of nations: war orpeace, famine or plenty.The Chinese were also skilled astronomers, and are thought to haveindependently begun to use forms of prediction, along with the Maya of Central America and the peoples of ancient India. Some experts believe that Chinese astronomy may extend as far back as 5000 BC.Recent researches into the Pyramids and Sphinx of Giza suggest thatobservation of heavenly bodies may have even more distant origins.There is startling new evidence that the principal Giza monuments forman accurate terrestial "map" of the three stars of Orion's belt asthese constellations appeared in 10,500 BC.   bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: Europeans for hundreds of centuries could not distinguish between  planets and stars -- they were simply mysterious objects in the sky.  If Jyotish sages did not know the difference, many thousands of years ago, between stars and planets, then they would have confounded the two in setting up Jyotish (the star Sirius is brighter than Saturn), but they did not:  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread curtisdeltablues



Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an
important experience for me. There were times when I felt
misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the
reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to
articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it never
would have happened without me being so pissed off at your messages. 
Since they are still on the Web, when I read some of our exchanges it
makes me laugh. In fact your posts about me lately were a big reason
I decided to drop in for a while.

Of course this forum has gone way beyond anything I had to say back
then. You guys know every good and bad detail of the movement from
every possible angle. Most of you have now meditated over twice as
long as I did! Anyone who gets into TM today has all the information
they need to evaluate it online. 

The biggest downside for me in describing my objections to the
movement, was that it was insulting to people who I did not want to
hurt. That part sucked and ultimately was too high a price to
continue to pay. 

Thanks for listening to my music. I appreciate your kind words about
my harp playing. 










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Democracy Has Failed

2006-05-09 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance 
 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  No...not MMY. Another enlightened leader is now saying the same 
 thing:
  
  http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran
 
 
 
 Puts MMY in good company, doesn't it?
 
I know these kind of flip, eat the lies of the media whole, type of 
responses feel good on some level, but you really should read the 
extraordinary letter sent by the President of Iran to the President 
of the USA. 

It is respectful, insightful, balanced and truthful. Secretary of 
State Rice betrays her wish for 'wargasm' (vs. orgasm) at her and 
our country's peril.

Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/zadb6 










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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

2006-05-09 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 The Word Planet means Wanderer. The Ancient Greeks could 
distinguish between Planets and Stars.

Of course they could. And so could farmers and
sailors, anyone who needed to pay close attention
to the sky night after night. There was nothing
the least bit occult about it.

Bob seems to think the way ordinary people told
the difference between stars and planets was that
the planets were *brighter*. Most of them are
brighter, but that's not how people knew they were
different.

They knew the planets were different because
the stars stayed put in their fixed 
constellations, while the planets wandered among
them. Very obvious to anyone who's watching the
sky carefully for even just a few weeks.




 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy
 
 MarkMeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:38:09 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish
 
 
 Hindus did make many significant early contributions to astronomy,
 here's one of many good articles:
 http://www.hvk.org/articles/0802/214.html
 
 But the theory that only enlightened vedic sages traveling 
throughout
 the universe knew about the planets in ancient history is not true. 
 Here's one of many sources on history of astronomy:
 
 http://www.astroenergetics.com/HTML/History.html
 
 Astronomy-astrology is said to have originated with the Chaldeans, 
in
 Babylon, Mesopotamia, (now Iraq) around the fourth millennium BC. It
 was practiced in the temples, where it was blended with religious
 elements. Later, it spread to Egypt, and around the third millennium
 BC was being used by rulers to predict the fate of nations: war or
 peace, famine or plenty.
 
 The Chinese were also skilled astronomers, and are thought to have
 independently begun to use forms of prediction, along with the Maya 
of Central America and the peoples of ancient India. Some experts 
believe that Chinese astronomy may extend as far back as 5000 BC.
 
 Recent researches into the Pyramids and Sphinx of Giza suggest that
 observation of heavenly bodies may have even more distant origins.
 There is startling new evidence that the principal Giza monuments 
form
 an accurate terrestial map of the three stars of Orion's belt as
 these constellations appeared in 10,500 BC.
 
 
 bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Europeans for hundreds of centuries could not distinguish between 
  planets and stars -- they were simply mysterious objects in the 
sky. 
  If Jyotish sages did not know the difference, many thousands of 
years ago, between stars and planets, then they would have confounded 
the two in setting up Jyotish (the star Sirius is brighter than 
Saturn), but they did not:











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Johnny - (of Johnny and the hurricanes).

2006-05-09 Thread feste37



I loved Rocking Goose! I remember it well. Round about 1960 or 1961, 
right, Uns? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ 
  wrote:
  
   The first person ever to place the saxophone at
   the very centre of a pop group has died. Quite
   sad, really. A lot of old U.S. rockers have been
   turning up here for comeback tours. Not so, these
   guys.
   
   Well done, that man. Blow your horn for God.
  
  
  
  Never heard of him.
  
  I seem to recall a Rory and the Hurricanes 
 as being an inspiration for the Beatles...am 
 I getting the names mixed up?
 
 Yes, in a word. Ringo Starr was their drummer.
 I think the Beatles poached him and caused some
 ill feeling.
 
 Johnny and the Hurricanes did Red River Rock,
 Reveille Rock, and of course Rocking Goose 
 which ideal for accompaniment by motor horn
 whilst driving.
 Uns.
 











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Johnny - (of Johnny and the hurricanes).

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
uns_tressor@ 
  wrote:
  
   The first person ever to place the saxophone at
   the very centre of a pop group has died. Quite
   sad, really. A lot of old U.S. rockers have been
   turning up here for comeback tours. Not so, these
   guys.
   
   Well done, that man. Blow your horn for God.
  
  
  
  Never heard of him.
  
  I seem to recall a Rory and the Hurricanes 
 as being an inspiration for the Beatles...am 
 I getting the names mixed up?
 
 Yes, in a word. Ringo Starr was their drummer.
 I think the Beatles poached him and caused some
 ill feeling.


Ah, yes. Rory STORM and the Hurricanes, if memory serves me right.


 
 Johnny and the Hurricanes did Red River Rock,
 Reveille Rock, and of course Rocking Goose 
 which ideal for accompaniment by motor horn
 whilst driving.
 Uns.
 











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Democracy Has Failed

2006-05-09 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance 
  no_reply@ wrote:
  
   No...not MMY. Another enlightened leader is now saying the 
   same thing:
   
   http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran
  
  Puts MMY in good company, doesn't it?
  
 I know these kind of flip, eat the lies of the media whole, type of 
 responses feel good on some level, but you really should read the 
 extraordinary letter sent by the President of Iran to the President 
 of the USA. 
 
 It is respectful, insightful, balanced and truthful. Secretary of 
 State Rice betrays her wish for 'wargasm' (vs. orgasm) at her and 
 our country's peril.
 
 Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/zadb6

Seems to me it's a very mixed bag. I have serious
doubts that Ahmadinejad wrote it thinking it had a
chance of getting a favorable response. I suspect
he wrote it in a way he was sure would be dismissed,
and did so for that very purpose, so he could use
the dismissal as a propaganda ploy.

He says some noble, high-minded things. But he
also appears to be suggesting that theocracy is
the appropriate form of government, and moreover
that it should be a theocracy based on a
monotheistic religion.

He dismisses the murder of 6 million Jews in the
Holocaust (which he says he accepts as fact for
the sake of argument) as insufficient justification
for the State of Israel's existence.

And he implicitly accuses Bush of lying, which,
while accurate, is not something you say to a leader
with whom you are attempting to establish
cooperative relations.

I suppose it's conceivable that a brilliant
statesperson could figure out how to use the letter
to make direct talks with Iran possible, but the
substance of the letter wouldn't give him or her
much to work with.

I think the administration's extreme demonization
of Ahmadinejad is unwarranted and certainly not
helpful in attaining any kind of rapprochement;
but I don't think Ahmadinejad is just a well-
meaning, misunderstood, humanitarian Boy Scout
either.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for Rick

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/9/06 3:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In the Photos section you have posted two photos of
 MMY's girlfriends.
 
 What I find interesting is that you named both of them -- fully --
 both first and last name.
 
 Isn't that something new on your part? If I remember correctly, in
 earlier references that you have made to both of them the farthest you
 went was just using their first names: Judith and Linda.
 
 Am I correct on this?
 
 And, if so, why are you revealing their last names now?
 
 Enquiring minds want to know...

Those two are more public about it. Judith has written a book which she
intends to publish after MMY dies; Linda told her story to a newspaper in S.
Africa. Other women don't want their name mentioned. Some don't mind the
first name mentioned if it's a common name and their identity couldn't be
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[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him

2006-05-09 Thread jyouells2000



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 I'd say he got it only too well--gullible Westerners/Americans looking 
 for a daddy-replacement in their lives will buy anything, no matter how 
 loony-sounding.
 
 Sal
 
 On May 9, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did 
  either,
  even though he lived and traveled in it so long.


What troubles me at the moment are that those 'gullible
Westerners/Americans' seem to be the target audience. (and BTW, I
liked the 2 PDA's on Girish's desk...)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Democracy Has Failed

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance 
   no_reply@ wrote:
   
No...not MMY. Another enlightened leader is now saying the 
same thing:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran
   
   Puts MMY in good company, doesn't it?
   
  I know these kind of flip, eat the lies of the media whole, type 
of 
  responses feel good on some level, but you really should read 
the 
  extraordinary letter sent by the President of Iran to the 
President 
  of the USA. 
  
  It is respectful, insightful, balanced and truthful. Secretary 
of 
  State Rice betrays her wish for 'wargasm' (vs. orgasm) at her 
and 
  our country's peril.
  
  Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/zadb6
 
 Seems to me it's a very mixed bag. I have serious
 doubts that Ahmadinejad wrote it thinking it had a
 chance of getting a favorable response. I suspect
 he wrote it in a way he was sure would be dismissed,
 and did so for that very purpose, so he could use
 the dismissal as a propaganda ploy.
 
 He says some noble, high-minded things. But he
 also appears to be suggesting that theocracy is
 the appropriate form of government, and moreover
 that it should be a theocracy based on a
 monotheistic religion.
 
 He dismisses the murder of 6 million Jews in the
 Holocaust (which he says he accepts as fact for
 the sake of argument) as insufficient justification
 for the State of Israel's existence.
 
 And he implicitly accuses Bush of lying, which,
 while accurate, is not something you say to a leader
 with whom you are attempting to establish
 cooperative relations.
 
 I suppose it's conceivable that a brilliant
 statesperson could figure out how to use the letter
 to make direct talks with Iran possible, but the
 substance of the letter wouldn't give him or her
 much to work with.
 
 I think the administration's extreme demonization
 of Ahmadinejad





what, in your estimation, would Ahmadinejad have to do in order for 
the administration to be justified in its extreme demonization?







 is unwarranted and certainly not
 helpful in attaining any kind of rapprochement;
 but I don't think Ahmadinejad is just a well-
 meaning, misunderstood, humanitarian Boy Scout
 either.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Rick

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 5/9/06 3:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  In the Photos section you have posted two photos of
  MMY's girlfriends.
  
  What I find interesting is that you named both of them -- fully -
-
  both first and last name.
  
  Isn't that something new on your part? If I remember correctly, 
in
  earlier references that you have made to both of them the 
farthest you
  went was just using their first names: Judith and Linda.
  
  Am I correct on this?
  
  And, if so, why are you revealing their last names now?
  
  Enquiring minds want to know...
 
 Those two are more public about it. Judith has written a book 
which she
 intends to publish after MMY dies; Linda told her story to a 
newspaper in S.
 Africa. Other women don't want their name mentioned. Some don't 
mind the
 first name mentioned if it's a common name and their identity 
couldn't be
 guessed from it.


There's MORE than just these two?

How many others and how did you hear about them? I know you've 
corresponded with some of them...are the ones you corresponded with 
the Judith and Linda above?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Democracy Has Failed

2006-05-09 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance 
no_reply@ wrote:

 No...not MMY. Another enlightened leader is now saying 
the 
 same thing:
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran

Puts MMY in good company, doesn't it?

   I know these kind of flip, eat the lies of the media whole, 
type 
 of 
   responses feel good on some level, but you really should read 
 the 
   extraordinary letter sent by the President of Iran to the 
 President 
   of the USA. 
   
   It is respectful, insightful, balanced and truthful. Secretary 
 of 
   State Rice betrays her wish for 'wargasm' (vs. orgasm) at her 
 and 
   our country's peril.
   
   Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/zadb6
  
  Seems to me it's a very mixed bag. I have serious
  doubts that Ahmadinejad wrote it thinking it had a
  chance of getting a favorable response. I suspect
  he wrote it in a way he was sure would be dismissed,
  and did so for that very purpose, so he could use
  the dismissal as a propaganda ploy.
  
  He says some noble, high-minded things. But he
  also appears to be suggesting that theocracy is
  the appropriate form of government, and moreover
  that it should be a theocracy based on a
  monotheistic religion.
  
  He dismisses the murder of 6 million Jews in the
  Holocaust (which he says he accepts as fact for
  the sake of argument) as insufficient justification
  for the State of Israel's existence.
  
  And he implicitly accuses Bush of lying, which,
  while accurate, is not something you say to a leader
  with whom you are attempting to establish
  cooperative relations.
  
  I suppose it's conceivable that a brilliant
  statesperson could figure out how to use the letter
  to make direct talks with Iran possible, but the
  substance of the letter wouldn't give him or her
  much to work with.
  
  I think the administration's extreme demonization
  of Ahmadinejad
 
 
 
 
 
 what, in your estimation, would Ahmadinejad have to do in order 
for 
 the administration to be justified in its extreme demonization?
 
You've gotten the question wrong. 

It should be, How should the [US] administration act in order to 
justify its extreme demonization of another sovereign state with a 
clear conscience?










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
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 Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an
 important experience for me. There were times when I felt
 misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was 
 the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to
 articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it 
 never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your 
 messages.

And with this analysis, it's apparent that you
haven't changed a bit since then.

Too bad.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

2006-05-09 Thread bob_brigante



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  The Word Planet means Wanderer. The Ancient Greeks could 
 distinguish between Planets and Stars.
 
 Of course they could. And so could farmers and
 sailors, anyone who needed to pay close attention
 to the sky night after night. There was nothing
 the least bit occult about it.
 
 Bob seems to think the way ordinary people told
 the difference between stars and planets was that
 the planets were *brighter*. Most of them are
 brighter, but that's not how people knew they were
 different.

***

So the pole star with its fixed position would have been seen as a 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread lurkernomore20002000



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 We talking about Steve's ex here? How's she doing? 
 What's she doing?
 
Wasn't that Nancy such and such. Didn't she marry Tom Kirkendall. 
Does any one know how he, she, they are doing?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Rick

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/9/06 7:02 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 There's MORE than just these two?

There are many more. You've read the Sexy Sadie file?
 
 How many others and how did you hear about them?

I know the names of about 5 others, and have spoken to two of them. I have
also heard several detailed accounts of other incidents in which I wasn't
told the women's names. All this from 5 or 6 different, independent sources
- Maharishi's former secretaries, several friends, etc.

 I know you've 
 corresponded with some of them...are the ones you corresponded with
 the Judith and Linda above?

No. Other ones. Jennifer is one. Last name withheld. I won't give first or
last name of the other.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
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 Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an
 important experience for me. There were times when I felt
 misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was
 the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to
 articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, and it
 never would have happened without me being so pissed off at your
 messages.
 
 And with this analysis, it's apparent that you
 haven't changed a bit since then.

Have you?
 
 Too bad.

What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. You were the grain of
sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/9/06 8:56 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 We talking about Steve's ex here? How's she doing?
 What's she doing?
 
 Wasn't that Nancy such and such. Didn't she marry Tom Kirkendall.
 Does any one know how he, she, they are doing?

Doing great last I heard. They're living in Nederland, Colorado
(http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=mapq=Nederland,+CO), a little town in the
mountains above Boulder. Nancy is a real estate broker; Tom a commodities
trader. He has a season pass at the local ski area and goes skiing after
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[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Residents Diet for Remaining Week

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Fairfield Residents Diet for Remaining Week






All Fairfield Residents Diet for the Week 


 


Read More


 


 


 


Please do not eat this week 


 


so that you will have amply reason to shop 


 


Everybodys and Thymely Solutions 


 


on Saturday 


 


May 13th!


 


 


 


Local Merchants Rise to the Occasion


 




Five merchants are donating substantial sales profits from Saturday sales 


 


to Women For Women, 


 


the fundraising campaign for the Crisis Center and it's educational programs.


 


1 Everybodys is donating 20% of all sales profits storewide! Please stock up on all toiletries, cleaning products, stock your spices, frozen foods, bulk items. This is a perfect time to stock up for Thanksgiving! Honest! 



2 Thymely Solutions is donating 10% of all storewide sales profits. Please take the time to stock up on all health and self care products, fabulous jewelry, natural fun toys. This is the perfect time to stock up on wedding and birthday gifts! The store is packed full! 



3 Revelations is donating 50% from all used book sales -- thousands of books to choose from! 



4 Natural Selections is donating 15% of all sales profits on select womens undergarments. Natural! Soft! And all yours!



5 At Home Store is donating 5% of sales profits from all food items and all yarn and knitting. Stock up on all your edible gourmet gifts! Stock up on fabulous yarn. Your day to begin knitting! 







May 13th culminates the 5-week fundraising campaign presented by Artlife Society for the Crisis Center and its educational programs.


 


 


 


Please thank these wonderful generous businesses for their participation and leading role in our community.


 


 


 


Thank you for shopping BIG TIME on May 13th.


 


 


 





 


 


 


And.


 
All women in the community are invited to a grand evening celebration on May 13th at Morning Star Studios. Enjoy a heartwarming evening of female entertainers for an appreciative audience of all women. Tickets available at Curves, At Home Store, and Thymely Solutions.
 
 
 


NOTE: LIMITED SEATING. THERE WILL PROBABLY NOT BE TICKETS AVAILABLE AT THE DOOR.


 
 
 


For more information call 472-8135 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 
 
 
 
 
Most sincerely,
 
 
 
 
 
Stacey Hurlin
 
Director

ArtLife Society

 
 
 
 
 
 




Stacey Hurlin
 
Director 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
  Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an
  important experience for me. There were times when I felt
  misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was
  the reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for 
  me to articulate my thoughts about the movement in such detail, 
  and it never would have happened without me being so pissed off 
  at your messages.
  
  And with this analysis, it's apparent that you
  haven't changed a bit since then.
 
 Have you?

Not in my lack of tolerance for dishonesty, no
(including factual dishonesty, intellectual dishonesty,
and lying to oneself).

  Too bad.
 
 What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment.

I don't think you're quite so green as you are
grassy-looking, Rick.

 You were the 
 grain of sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl.

He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl
is what he ended up with.

But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM,
wasn't he?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Democracy Has Failed

2006-05-09 Thread Patrick Gillam



Comments interleaved.

--- authfriend wrote:

 --- jim_flanegin wrote:
 
  It is respectful, insightful, balanced and truthful. Secretary of 
  State Rice betrays her wish for 'wargasm' (vs. orgasm) at her and 
  our country's peril.

You really think Ahmadinejad's letter has that much 
integrity? I'm curious how people will evaluate it. I'm 
often impressed with how posts to this group that 
strike me as reasonable can be revealed as crap. (I'll 
refrain from giving examples out of my deep sense 
of diplomacy.)

If someone posted such a letter here, I reall think 
he'd be ignored as a whackjob. And this guy's a 
head of state!
 
  Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/zadb6
 
 Seems to me it's a very mixed bag. [snip]

The whole letter is questions. How tough is it to 
ask questions? How much intellectual acumen 
does it take to point out the contradictions and 
failures of any given policy? See, even I can do it.
 
 I think the administration's extreme demonization
 of Ahmadinejad is unwarranted and certainly not
 helpful in attaining any kind of rapprochement;
 but I don't think Ahmadinejad is just a well-
 meaning, misunderstood, humanitarian Boy Scout
 either.

Agreed.

I say the State Department post Ahmadinejad's letter 
to newsgroups of various persuasions and invite 
participants to weigh in. Take the best responses and 
craft a reply. Hey, we're experts at taking apart bullshit
and humoring whacky ideas. Let's show him liberalism rules! 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] new movie: Water

2006-05-09 Thread Bhairitu



Beautiful film, probably the best of the trilogy. I hope she goes on to 
do Air and Space (akasha). Sri Lanka was standing in for India 
because Mehta got run out of India by fundie Hindus when she tried to 
shoot the film in Varanasi. Her first husband Paul Saltzman was with 
Maharishi and the Beatles in Rishikesh and published a book recently of 
photographs from that experience.

It is ashame that Indian cinema can't produce as good of films but the 
productions are slipshod, corrupted by politicians and Indian mafia, and 
a lack of an enforceable copyright laws makes them shoot the films 
quickly and without scripts or else some crook will take the script and 
rush it out even sooner.



wayback71 wrote:

I just saw a new movie called Water from the same woman who did Fire a few 
years ago. 
Water is incredible, about the life of widows in India during the 1930's as 
Ghandi was
becoming known. We were all fairly speechless for about an hour after the movie 
ended. 
The juxtaposition of religous (in this case Hindu) rituals and beliefs with 
unkindess and
cruelty is astonishing.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/9/06 9:44 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl
 is what he ended up with.
 
 But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM,
 wasn't he?

Probably he had. Then he found one in abandoning it. He seemed to be saying
that he found value in his discussions with you, and I inferred he was
thanking you.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread curtisdeltablues



Yup. Thanks Rick. 


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 on 5/9/06 9:44 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl
  is what he ended up with.
  
  But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM,
  wasn't he?
 
 Probably he had. Then he found one in abandoning it. He seemed to be
saying
 that he found value in his discussions with you, and I inferred he was
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl
  is what he ended up with.
  
  But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM,
  wasn't he?
 
 Probably he had. Then he found one in abandoning it. He seemed to be
 saying that he found value in his discussions with you, and I 
 inferred he was thanking you.

Curtis is, shall we say, a master of the backhand.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield Residents Diet for Remaining Week

2006-05-09 Thread Sal Sunshine
I don't know Rick--this strikes me as awfully close to profiteering from the misery of others.

Sal


On May 9, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

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[FairfieldLife] Girlfriends Galore for MMY, eh?

2006-05-09 Thread mahdeealoo




Why would this female wait til MMY has dropped his body to publish a book about this? Is 
there something he could refute/defend, like the fact that he was not her boyfriend and 
just her Guru? HELLO! Geez, what people will do for a buck! And oh, by the way, 
, couldn't she be a bit more creative? Must be a bottle blond. 

And does he really give a flying ? My guess would be an emphatic NO! The nerve of 
twits. What a joke!

I spent about an hour alone with MMY in 1971 in Fiuggi Fonte. OMG. At the end of our 
very private meeting, not another soul around, I told him how I loved him (like a father, 
brother, friend, Guru). Guess what he did? He got shy like a little school boy, handling 
nervously, the heap of flowers between us on the tabletop. Yep, real womanizer. And BTW, 
at 19, I wasn't hard to look at. He sent me happily on my way without so much as a wink, 
pat on the butt or head, or a come back and see me sometime. Not that it was expected. 
One innocent to another. 

I have the utmost respect and appreciation of the highest for this man who is trying to 
save the world's ass. To those of you that are sitting there sniggering, what have you 
done for the world lately?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Democracy Has Failed

2006-05-09 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
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 Comments interleaved.
 
 --- authfriend wrote:
 
  --- jim_flanegin wrote:
  
   It is respectful, insightful, balanced and truthful. Secretary 
of 
   State Rice betrays her wish for 'wargasm' (vs. orgasm) at her 
and 
   our country's peril.
 
 You really think Ahmadinejad's letter has that much 
 integrity? I'm curious how people will evaluate it. I'm 
 often impressed with how posts to this group that 
 strike me as reasonable can be revealed as crap. (I'll 
 refrain from giving examples out of my deep sense 
 of diplomacy.)

Yeah- I know nothing of this guy, except other peoples' impressions, 
so I read the letter as if I found it on the sidewalk, and that is 
the way it struck me, possible motives aside.

 If someone posted such a letter here, I reall think 
 he'd be ignored as a whackjob. And this guy's a 
 head of state!
 
   Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/zadb6
  
  Seems to me it's a very mixed bag. [snip]
 
 The whole letter is questions. How tough is it to 
 ask questions? How much intellectual acumen 
 does it take to point out the contradictions and 
 failures of any given policy? See, even I can do it.

I did notice that he wasn't doing a 'compare and contrast' thing 
between his job and Bush's. However his overall tone was both 
truthful and respectful in my opinion. 

I wasn't commenting on anything more than that...and the obvious 
contrast between the POV expressed through the President of Iran's 
letter and the haughty, condescending, and threatening responses 
we've seen from Rice, the senior US representative commenting on the 
letter.

Personally, I would've found a way to use the letter as a bridge and 
opening if I was in Bush's place, but this reprehensible gang of 
four who have hijacked the country are all about ego, and we have 
all seen what a crafty master the ego can be. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld 
and Rice each have the wool tightly pulled over their eyes, by 
choice. Four diamonds, sold for the price of spinach... 
 
  I think the administration's extreme demonization
  of Ahmadinejad is unwarranted and certainly not
  helpful in attaining any kind of rapprochement;
  but I don't think Ahmadinejad is just a well-
  meaning, misunderstood, humanitarian Boy Scout
  either.
 
 Agreed.
 
 I say the State Department post Ahmadinejad's letter 
 to newsgroups of various persuasions and invite 
 participants to weigh in. Take the best responses and 
 craft a reply. Hey, we're experts at taking apart bullshit
 and humoring whacky ideas. Let's show him liberalism rules! 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread lurkernomore20002000



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  And with this analysis, it's apparent that you
  haven't changed a bit since then.
 
 Have you?
  
  Too bad.
 
 What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. You were the 
grain of
 sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl.

This one has me scratching my head too. Not sure how you find 
malicious intent in Curtis's post, but you know the MMY saying about 
thorns.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him

2006-05-09 Thread Peter



A spiritual movement is driven from the depth of the
realization of its founder/guru. When MMY goes the
whole movement turns to an empty shell. No big deal.
the way of Brahman. 

--- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 After Maharishi reaches Samadhi, The Girish
 group needs Dr.Nader and Dr.Hagelin who have the
 Spiritual-Intellectual base to keep bringing in the
 Cash-flow.
 
 After Maharishi, Dr.Nader and Dr.Hagelin are
 the only Cash-Cows left. Without them I don't' see
 how the organisation would function.
 
 Somebody said, Dr. Bevan Morris is in charge
 of the Global Development Fund which is several
 hundred Million dollars.
 
 Perhaps, a Tussle for the Bank Accounts might
 be between Dr. Bevan Morris and Girish..???
 
 
 MarkMeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:05:50 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish
 about him
 
 
 I think girish just wants the business empire,
 which he appears to be
 in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown
 and maybe for some
 TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear
 he has no real
 power over the accounts or on the boards of
 directors. With MMY gone, can either of them keep
 donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I dont'
 think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. 
 So
 controlling the various business operations and
 offshore accounts is
 what matters, and girish looks like the type of guy
 who understands
 that. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture
 on par with MMYs
 is an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the
 Indian TMO and maybe
 those people are gullible to buy into that).
 
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Democracy Has Failed

2006-05-09 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 I did notice that he wasn't doing a 'compare and contrast' thing 
 between his job and Bush's. However his overall tone was both 
 truthful and respectful in my opinion. 
 
 I wasn't commenting on anything more than that...and the obvious 
 contrast between the POV expressed through the President of Iran's 
 letter and the haughty, condescending, and threatening responses 
 we've seen from Rice, the senior US representative commenting on
 the letter.

But that's the *game*, don't you see? He acts
all humble and respectful and religious knowing
perfectly well how they're going to respond,
knowing it'll make him look good to the rest of
the world and the Bushies look bad.

Besides which, the letter was full of very carefully
crafted subtle snark. (I'm sure Curtis would
recognize it, wouldn't you, Curtis?) It was not
meant to charm the administration, to the contrary.

It was a well-played, savvy little bit of propaganda,
much more sophisticated than anything Bush's team
could come up with. But it was designed to get
everybody *but* the U.S. on his side.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ 
 wrote:
 
  on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
 
   And with this analysis, it's apparent that you
   haven't changed a bit since then.
  
  Have you?
   
   Too bad.
  
  What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. You were the 
 grain of
  sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl.
 
 This one has me scratching my head too. Not sure how you find 
 malicious intent in Curtis's post, but you know the MMY saying
 about thorns.

This is really very funny. Curtis knew I'd get the
snark in his post, while others would miss it completely.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Girlfriends Galore for MMY, eh?

2006-05-09 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/9/06 10:43 PM, mahdeealoo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Why would this female wait til MMY has dropped his body to publish a book
 about this? 

I don't know. Maybe she doesn't want to embarrass him? She says she loves
him and that the book won't be a slam.

Is 
 there something he could refute/defend, like the fact that he was not her
 boyfriend and 
 just her Guru? 

I doubt he'd comment on it.

HELLO! Geez, what people will do for a buck! And oh, by the
 way, 
 , couldn't she be a bit more creative?

Than what? You don't know what she's written.

Must be a bottle blond.

Brunette. 
 
 And does he really give a flying ? My guess would be an emphatic NO! The
 nerve of 
 twits. What a joke!

Actually, he's been pretty uptight about this subject all these years,
banishing and discrediting anyone who might let the cat out of the bag.
 
 I spent about an hour alone with MMY in 1971 in Fiuggi Fonte. OMG. At the end
 of our 
 very private meeting, not another soul around, I told him how I loved him
 (like a father, 
 brother, friend, Guru). Guess what he did? He got shy like a little school
 boy, handling 
 nervously, the heap of flowers between us on the tabletop. Yep, real
 womanizer. And BTW,
 at 19, I wasn't hard to look at. He sent me happily on my way without so much
 as a wink, 
 pat on the butt or head, or a come back and see me sometime. Not that it was
 expected. 
 One innocent to another.

Wrong chemistry I guess.
 
 I have the utmost respect and appreciation of the highest for this man who is
 trying to 
 save the world's ass. To those of you that are sitting there sniggering, what
 have you 
 done for the world lately?

What has he done for the world lately? (I readily acknowledge that he did
plenty in the early days.) I have no doubt that these things happened,
having spoken with some very believable women, one of whom you know. The
question for me, which is a lot less important than it was a few years ago,
is what the implications are, if any, regarding his state of consciousness,
the correlation of morality with higher states, etc. I do suspect that a lot
of his current nuttiness, as well as the paranoid, repressive culture of the
movement, can be attributed to whatever it was that caused him to live such
a double standard back in the 60's and 70's.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi from Curtis

2006-05-09 Thread curtisdeltablues



Judy,

You are giving me too much credit in two ways.

Too much credit for being clever.

Too much credit for being an asshole.

I will post more tomorrow but this sums it up.

Snarky is a fantastic word, and anytime snarky is used,
John Stewart and Steven Colbert get a boner.

Snarky is the new UC!

Curtis








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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ 
  wrote:
  
   on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
  
And with this analysis, it's apparent that you
haven't changed a bit since then.
   
   Have you?

Too bad.
   
   What's bad about it? He was paying you a compliment. You were the 
  grain of
   sand that stimulated the oyster to create a pearl.
  
  This one has me scratching my head too. Not sure how you find 
  malicious intent in Curtis's post, but you know the MMY saying
  about thorns.
 
 This is really very funny. Curtis knew I'd get the
 snark in his post, while others would miss it completely.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Girlfriends Galore for MMY, eh?

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mahdeealoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 Why would this female wait til MMY has dropped his body to publish 
a book about this? Is 
 there something he could refute/defend, like the fact that he was 
not her boyfriend and 
 just her Guru? HELLO! Geez, what people will do for a buck! 
And oh, by the way, 
 , couldn't she be a bit more creative? Must be a 
bottle blond. 
 
 And does he really give a flying ? My guess would be an 
emphatic NO! The nerve of 
 twits. What a joke!
 
 I spent about an hour alone with MMY in 1971 in Fiuggi Fonte. OMG. 
At the end of our 
 very private meeting, not another soul around, I told him how I 
loved him (like a father, 
 brother, friend, Guru). Guess what he did? He got shy like a 
little school boy, handling 
 nervously, the heap of flowers between us on the tabletop. Yep, 
real womanizer. And BTW, 
 at 19, I wasn't hard to look at. He sent me happily on my way 
without so much as a wink, 
 pat on the butt or head, or a come back and see me sometime. Not 
that it was expected. 
 One innocent to another. 
 
 I have the utmost respect and appreciation of the highest for this 
man who is trying to 
 save the world's ass. To those of you that are sitting there 
sniggering, what have you 
 done for the world lately?



There are some who sniggle on this forum, but in my experience not 
many.

But I have a question for you: Assuming for just a moment that these 
accusations were true, how would that change your practise of TM?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Girlfriends Galore for MMY, eh?

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 5/9/06 10:43 PM, mahdeealoo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Why would this female wait til MMY has dropped his body to 
publish a book
  about this? 
 
 I don't know. Maybe she doesn't want to embarrass him? She says 
she loves
 him and that the book won't be a slam.
 
 Is 
  there something he could refute/defend, like the fact that he 
was not her
  boyfriend and 
  just her Guru? 
 
 I doubt he'd comment on it.
 
 HELLO! Geez, what people will do for a buck! And oh, by the
  way, 
  , couldn't she be a bit more creative?
 
 Than what? You don't know what she's written.
 
 Must be a bottle blond.
 
 Brunette. 
  
  And does he really give a flying ? My guess would be an 
emphatic NO! The
  nerve of 
  twits. What a joke!
 
 Actually, he's been pretty uptight about this subject all these 
years,
 banishing and discrediting anyone who might let the cat out of the 
bag.
  
  I spent about an hour alone with MMY in 1971 in Fiuggi Fonte. 
OMG. At the end
  of our 
  very private meeting, not another soul around, I told him how I 
loved him
  (like a father, 
  brother, friend, Guru). Guess what he did? He got shy like a 
little school
  boy, handling 
  nervously, the heap of flowers between us on the tabletop. Yep, 
real
  womanizer. And BTW,
  at 19, I wasn't hard to look at. He sent me happily on my way 
without so much
  as a wink, 
  pat on the butt or head, or a come back and see me sometime. 
Not that it was
  expected. 
  One innocent to another.
 
 Wrong chemistry I guess.
  
  I have the utmost respect and appreciation of the highest for 
this man who is
  trying to 
  save the world's ass. To those of you that are sitting there 
sniggering, what
  have you 
  done for the world lately?
 
 What has he done for the world lately? (I readily acknowledge that 
he did
 plenty in the early days.) I have no doubt that these things 
happened,
 having spoken with some very believable women, one of whom you 
know. The
 question for me, which is a lot less important than it was a few 
years ago,
 is what the implications are, if any, regarding his state of 
consciousness,
 the correlation of morality with higher states, etc. I do suspect 
that a lot
 of his current nuttiness, as well as the paranoid, repressive 
culture of the
 movement, can be attributed to whatever it was that caused him to 
live such
 a double standard back in the 60's and 70's.



Rick, I think of something I remember reading that Paul McCartney 
said to John Lennon on his return to England from India. As you'll 
recall Ringo and Paul left earlier than George and John did, so Paul 
wasn't around when the alleged Sexie Sadie stuff went on in 
Rishikesh.

Anyway, when John was telling him what he thought MMY had done with 
the babes, Paul said something to the effect: Well, what business is 
it of yours what MMY does in his private life?

Sure, MMY has said he is a monk. But, hey, it was never a big 
emphasis on his part. And maybe he decided at one point NOT to 
continue being a monk. If that's the case, isn't he allowed to give 
in to the temptations that the rest of us are?

Are any of the 5+ women that you cite claiming that he took 
advantage of them, abused them in any way, or did things to them 
against their will?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Girlfriends Galore for MMY, eh?

2006-05-09 Thread curtisdeltablues



Are any of the 5+ women that you cite claiming that he took
advantage of them, abused them in any way, or did things to them
against their will?

Doesn't that seem like a pretty low bar for a spiritual master? I
mean gosh, I make this grade, even by Judy's perspective of me.

You guys rock! I am so outclassed on this forum! You guy are keeping
it reeeL!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Girlfriends Galore for MMY, eh?

2006-05-09 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Are any of the 5+ women that you cite claiming that he took
 advantage of them, abused them in any way, or did things to them
 against their will?
 
 Doesn't that seem like a pretty low bar for a spiritual master?




If all the accusations that Rick has reproduced are true, it would be 
a great disappointment.

But I always ask the question: how would the expose of MMY alleged 
sexual pecadillos affect the practise of my TM?

And the answer is: nada. It should work regardless of the failings or 
successes of any man, including a guru (who is not my guru, anyway).

Indeed, I suggest that those TBers (= True Believers) who WOULD be 
affected by the information that MMY was fooling around are probably 
not doing the TM Program anyway; they're probably involved in some 
sort of guru/disciple relationship...which is fine but, hey, what does 
THAT got to do with TM?




 I
 mean gosh, I make this grade, even by Judy's perspective of me.
 
 You guys rock! I am so outclassed on this forum! You guy are keeping
 it reeeL!
 
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