[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about marketing TM...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real reason that MMY came to the West was to delay the onset of enlightenment so that a Vedic India would not be too much of a shock for the world: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/comp.html#30 that's what you keep on saying for years now. If MMY had stayed in India without lighting a few candles around the world, the onset of a Vedic India would have created havoc in material life around the world. The TMO will be wildly successful in a few years in India; based on what ? wishful thinking? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about marketing TM...
I wish akasha could take you with him to see Byron Katie, you seem to argue with reality allot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/29/05 1:02 AM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes no sense at all -- if a responsible TM manager had refused to allow MMY to show up at that Beach Boys concert, that fiasco could have been avoided, just as his driver in HNL kept MMY from sleeping in the SF airport. No one tells Maharishi what he can or can't do. He's the boss. I am realizing that it really does not matter that the TMO is flunking out in the West. In fact, this was the strategy all along, inspired not by any ordinary human analysis of what would work for the TMO in the West or not, but a strategy guided by Divine intelligence. The real reason that MMY came to the West was to delay the onset of enlightenment so that a Vedic India would not be too much of a shock for the world: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/comp.html#30 If MMY had stayed in India without lighting a few candles around the world, the onset of a Vedic India would have created havoc in material life around the world. The TMO will be wildly successful in a few years in India; everything that is happening now in the West, the crowns and titles and all that, is just designed to hold a shell of an organization in place until TM is successful in India. After Deepak Chopra left the TM movement, MMY was determined not to let this sort of defection happen again if possible, so he loads up the inadequate personalities who manage the TM movement with fancy clothes and titles so that they, let a child at his birthday party, will feel the glow of attention and stick around in the movement. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mall stores in India?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/cnc3u here we go. every mall in India is part of divine plan that M (and his devotee bonanda) is on the making. right? Any western style mall is just a temporary phase and soon will become a dome for Tmers and yogic fliers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about marketing TM... and blind faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, MMY wrote, back in the 60s, a little booklet titled The Divine Plan. Charlie Lutes had this and two other booklets for sale at the SRM place on Sta Monica Blvd in WLA, and when the Beatles went to Rishikesh, Bantam Books wanted some small book to cash in on the publicity, so Charlie took these three booklets and they were bundled into a small book, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, although they were certainly of little possible interest to, and inappropriate for, non-meditators. Anyway, if MMY took the time to write this booklet, and call it The Divine Plan, I'll presume that he actually knows the Divine Plan, and what he clearly says is that enlightenment has to unfold gradually in a world dominated by materialist thinking (when consciousness is low, as it obviously is on planet earth). So step one in this Divine Plan to enlighten the world is to leave India, which is the logical place to revive Vedic culture, but which would be a threat to the life of people immersed in material life throughout the world if the movement was successful there -- India is thriving thru it's interaction economic and cultural with the West especially USA not just because of it's rise of consciousness as you try to paint it. Just the same the Indian's people became not less materialistic then they were before or less so compare to the partners in the West. The Divine plan will and only will go forward not despite what you call material life but due to material prosperity as a support and a base. I understand your need to see things in black and white colours, it sure simplifies ones's life, doesn't it. :) the problem is that if you use it too much you become blind to the truth. MMY says:When the objectivity [man's material life] overtakes subjectivity [the divine intelligence in man] completely then the only way left for the subjectivity is that it should gradually rise up in such a way that its regeneration does not in any way tend to overthrow the validity of material life. On the other hand, the manner of spiritual regeneration should be such that instead of creating fear and havoc to material life, the growing spiritual values should supplement and reinforce the values of material existence. This is the working policy of the Divine Plan. The Spiritual Regeneration Movement is carrying this out. http://www.geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light Step two is to spread TM a little throughout the West, again slowly because growth of spirituality is capable of creating fear and havoc in material life (a reaction seen many times on earth, including the attempt to kill Jesus after only three years of preaching His message of fullness of life). You're right, it's not smart from the level of ordinary human rationality that the TMO in the West is overtaken by inadequate personalities, but human reasoning is not the source of MMY's understanding of the Divine Plan, and having hairballs run the TMO is an easy way to keep the growth of the movement moderate and not a danger to the world order of ignorance. Step three: now a few candles have been lit around the world, MMY can turn his attention to restoring Vedic culture in India, which he has announced with big plans like the 100,000 pundits and so on, and when TM and the rest of Vedic culture takes off in India, then there will be a shell of an organization in the West ready to spread the revival of Vedic bliss after it is restored in India, and the few people meditating throughout the West will be enough to light up the atmosphere so that the very bright light that will radiate from India will not be too shocking -- even a match struck in a dark room banishes the totality of darkness, and gives the people in the room some vision: In his press conference of 13Apr2005 at mou.org, Maharishi said that As Indian national consciousness rises in coherence -- which is the basis ofinvincibility for the nationthen world consciousness will rise in coherence which is the basis of permanent world peace ...One sun rises, but its innumerable rays spread light everywhere ...So it's natural for the influence of coherence to spread from India to the whole world. There is, of course, no guarantee that the above scenario will happen (people have absolute freedom of action, and may prefer to live in darkness, misery, war, carried away by the momentum of the Kaliyuga) - - the normal course of time is that this age of ignorance will last another 4270 centuries till Sat Yuga -- but MMY has clearly enunciated the Divine Plan that he is carrying out on behalf of His Divinity Guru Dev in order to terminate the Sat Yuga early (or at least create a Sat yuga bubble for a while in the Kaliyuga pond). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck It.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm back. good to have you back, just rewind the tape. I can't lurk just because some prude hates my guts and thinks I'm boring. Nah, this back and forth one liner volleyball is boring. However, I really enjoyed the idea of owning ones own 11 pundits and some Mandap with their own name. That's a concept that would only fly in India. We're not allowed to own slaves here in the US. But are we really free. many of us slaves to different addictions, TV, porn, religion, cigars, McDonalds food etc. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] meditation as medication ?
[A forward ] PERSONALITY AND MEDITATION Few would contest that external environmental factors play a role in personality development. However, little consideration has been given to various `internal' techniques such as meditation and the extent to which they influence the expression of personality. Meditation is a self-generated experience, or an autogenic technique, which modifies our internal environment temporarily and it may be that this deliberate interference with subjective experiences is associated with measurable personality change. Are the effects of meditation limited to subjective experiences during practice, or are there also more long-term changes such as those reflected in personality scores? The response to this question is of interest for both theoretical and clinical reasons. If the answer is affirmative, and if observed changes are in the direction of improved psychological health, then this would provide important evidence that individuals can actively engage in covert health-promoting experiences. Most studies investigating the effects of meditation on personality have focused on neuroticism and anxiety. This allows the relationship between practice and psychological health to be investigated in the context of an extensive corpus of theory and scientific evidence. This chapter therefore begins with an examination of the effects of meditation on psychometric measures of anxiety and neuroticism. Then the effects of meditation on other corroboratory (but non- psychometric) measures of anxiety are reviewed. These include biochemical, motoric, and physiological indices of anxiety and arousal. The influence of meditation on self-esteem, depression, psychosomatic symptomatology, selfactualization, locus of control, and introversion is also reviewed and discussed. Shapiro (1982) described three broad groupings of attentional strategies in meditation: a focus on the whole field (wide-angle-lens attention) as in mindfulness meditation, a focus on a specific object within a field (zoom-lens attention) as in concentrative meditation, and a shifting back and forth between the two as in integrated meditation. Of these, concentrative meditation is the most widely practised in the West. Thus those forms of meditation in which focused attention plays a large role (such as TM, Zen meditation [But Zen is, as far as I know, a wide-angle-lens meditation] and their non- cultic or clinically adapted derivatives) will form the basis of the review. It may be that the various meditation techniques are associated with different outcomes. However, the limited number of comparative studies in which the effects of different techniques are contrasted makes definitive comment on this issue difficult. The clinical evidence ... suggests that meditation practice is associated with anxiety reduction though the research designs are inadequate to allow for more definitive conclusions. To what extent can one attribute the decreases in anxiety to regular meditation practice? Even if frequency of practice is related to such decrements, is it meditation per se that is the critical agent or must we look more carefully at `non-specific' effects associated with practice? Decreases in anxiety have been found to be positively related to frequency of practice by some authors (Tjoa 1975b; Williams et al. 1976; Fling et al. 1981) and not by others (Zuroff and Schwarz 1978). Delmonte (1981a) found that both decrements in anxiety and improved `present-self' images were correlated with frequency of practice. It is possible that, although practice frequency is in general related to the benefits claimed, there may be a `ceiling effect' above which little further improvement is reported. For example, Peters et al. (1977a) found that less than three practice periods per week produced little change, whereas two daily sessions appeared to be more practice than was necessary for many individuals to achieve positive change. Similarly, Carrington et al. ( 1980) reported that `frequent' and `occasional' practitioners did not differ in terms of improvement. Smith (1978) found that those who maintain meditation practice and who display the greatest reduction in trait anxiety score high on the 16PF factors of sizothymia and autia. Sizothymic individuals tend to be `reserved', `detached', and `aloof' whereas autia describes a tendency to be `imaginatively enthralled by inner action', `charmed by works of the imagination', `completely absorbed', and to demonstrate a capacity to dissociate and engage in `autonomous, self- absorbed relaxation'. This report is consistent with findings that subjects high on hypnotic responsivity are more likely to show substantial decrements in anxiety consequent upon learning and regularly practising meditation (Benson et al. 1978b; Heide et al. 1980). It is also relevant to note that suggestibility increases during the practice of meditation per
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
fyi, Let me try to be more clear: a. The software will spot that you using ver 3.2 and will force you to upgrade (v4.1) which your serial # will not work. b. unregging is not doing it either since it leaves some 'marks' that it doesn't undo. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HHH, lets see, I believe I said, oh I did, It has a serial and everything. I'm not sure if you can update it or not without it unregging. Well, now we know. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife it is pretty cool. after a while the software message me to upgrade and then the serial # didn't work no more. Did you experience the same? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came upon a tv program that plays through your computer. It's pretty cool, so I uploaded it. It has a serial and everything. I'm not sure if you can update it or not without it unregging. But enjoy. They were playing a Dead End Gang flick on the Daytona station, and it's sort of fun just to have the TV going while one is eating, or arguing over gurus and spirituality. I mean, why waste ones whole day? Get funned. - Original Message - From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife group. File: /TV Setup.zip Uploaded by : llundrub_mamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description : Free Internet TV Proggy with Reg You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/TV% 20Setup.zip To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, llundrub_mamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Implications of the 'Report we've been waiting for'....?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/30/05 1:18 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- It was hell. ...After the first five days everyone on the course that I spoke to wanted to leave, everyone. Everyone he spoke to. I've heard that some others loved it. But maybe they are cult zombies. I've heard a broad range of comments. The percentage who did not like the feeling of the course is surprisingly high given that the CPs were the truest of true believers. I wouldn't call those who loved it cult zombies but they tend to be people who are excited about going out and initiating 1000s while making $4,000 a month, ie, they're not questioning MMY or the rajas regarding the promised success of these new mall centers. well, they should if the above is the major reason that they enrolled. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I have a bit of wisdom
right, it's called 'think big' and the fact it's far from reality is not inherit bad thing. That's why you have to keep on being creative while striving to the goal. take for example MMY, BBZ, JRC or WHY or even JR C or LB s but BMW is the best. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I doubt anyone can hear it. But it goes like this. The grander the schemes the more divorced they are from reality, which always has a way of changing the course of things. If one keeps the plan simple then it's much more likely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
From: Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both are true. MMY is obviously the victim of nasty and stupid people who the cat has dragged into the TM movement. But MMY is also cosmic intelligence, who as Tat Wala Baba said, knows everything: http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap6b.html It will all come out in the wash, and if it doesn't, that's OK, too, as the Kaliyuga's normal span should extend for another 4270 centuries, which is only a drop in the bucket of cosmic time or even geologic time. so basically MMY knows everything and whatever objection / criticism is kali yuga. did I get right? :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I have a bit of wisdom
I stopped trying to figure him out , 'unfatmobele the course of action..' but i see what you mean. time will tell. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, thinking big is one thing, but it's like this. Say there's no building on your street in Watchitoochee, and you want to build a Saks Fifth. Now that's because you can see that 25 years down the line there might possibly be a need for a Saks because of all the rich people in your daydream who came to Watchitoochee for the incredible natural mud baths. Only noone knows of the mudbaths, except you, and the crickets. The Saks is based on many premises like a house of cards, and therefore is not even in the ballpark of reality, let alone practicality. No, instead, one needs to focus on the present, and for Watchitoochee, that would be first, making some sort of small clinic where the mudbaths flow, and then maybe a small bed and breakfast, and then setting the conditions. Maharishi has had the goal for some time to have some huge megopolis of pundits along the ganges, and yet, he has, no money, clout, land, or pundits. Towards that goal he has a small patch of bubbling mud (TM), and many products based upon it (Sidhis, yagyas, etc). But even with a loyal following, all the daydreams from Raam Mudra, World's Tallest Skyscrapers filled with pundits, world governments with crowned kings, rebuilding the world free of southern entrances, wow, all these things, might have been the equivalent of a strip mall opening in Watchitoochee, all towards the grand opening of the Saks (Pundit supermegopolis). So much depending on so much, is so much...maya. That's all I'm saying. The truth is there is no need for a Saks in Watchitoochee near a mudbath at all whatsoever. That's just ego. And ego is not enough of a reason to build up Watchitoochee. There's already a Saks elsewhere. Wisdom would tell one to be satisfied that one even had a mudbath with a clinic, and a BB would be supremely awesome, and if people built up a strip mall next door based upon it that would be supreme good fortune, but Saks will never have an outlet in Watchitoochee, population of 35. The few residents believe fully in Saks due to their total desire, but that doesn't mean that their desire is in any way close to the truth, and Saks just ain't gonna happen there. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I have a bit of wisdom right, it's called 'think big' and the fact it's far from reality is not inherit bad thing. That's why you have to keep on being creative while striving to the goal. take for example MMY, BBZ, JRC or WHY or even JR C or LB s but BMW is the best. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I doubt anyone can hear it. But it goes like this. The grander the schemes the more divorced they are from reality, which always has a way of changing the course of things. If one keeps the plan simple then it's much more likely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free DVD on nuclear threat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.lastbestchance.org a fiction film for the horrors movie lovers. N. Korea is about to do some tests . darn. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/2/05 11:22 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, ok. Yeah, haven't smoked in a week. Guess the real deep connections are just not coming anymore. Heheh No, they are. I mean it. I think abstinence is good for you. I remember about a year ago you were on mushrooms one day and it was a pretty wild ride for us all. Couldn¹t figure out what the hell you were talking about. RJ, could you elaborate on the tantric writing style you were/sre using. did you make it up or such thing exist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
oh ok, I see now. for the records the other day someone noted that you write in a tantric style, but I guess it was just a tease on his part. anyway I thought that such style really exists and that I'm not familiar with it, I believed it to be some non-linear writing and it was interesting to someone who is spiritually challenged as I am. anyway this is where my comment came from, and Thanks for clearing it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RJ, could you elaborate on the tantric writing style you were/sre using. did you make it up or such thing exist? ---Not sure I get your meaning. I write. Because it feels good and as most of the arts they come out of the poor trying to lift up the mud and give it shape. Emulating Promethius I guess. Thanks. I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://members.cox.net/llundrub/dontlooknow/ you look like bodhisattva. Did I get it right, your ceiling has green flowers? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://members.cox.net/llundrub/dontlooknow/ you look like bodhisattva. Did I get it right, your ceiling has green flowers? ---Yes, each room is a different color, and the kitchen has a tree painted in it. I used to have big murals of the Devas on my temple walls. Like this But then I turned Buddhist. At one point I was going to paint the whole 722 deity Kalachakra mandala in half of the house. I might still paint some of it if I don't find a full time job soon. Thanks for the Bodhisattva comment. Thats nice. Lups probably popped the head off his talking Jesus doll when you said that. https://www.one2believe.com/default4.asp :) every Lup has his own loop. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Me
so typical of this fest37 contribution, to show up like a snake and then go underground again, waiting for the next sting... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote When did you stop smiling? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I was 19 in the orange hair picture and I'm 39 now. That's what happened obviously. Der. - Original Message - From: Llundrub To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Me Jesus Christ! What happened to that baby face picture with the orange hair. I feel like I'm looking at Aleister Crowly, and I'm not sure exactly what he looks like. Maybe I'll muscle up some courage and send you one of me. lurk --Funny, I was born on the same birthday as Aliester Crowley - Oct 12th. I had just got home from Home Depot and it was 96 degrees out. I do smile alot. Most all the time in fact. OK, enough about me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' - --- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mind
Right NOW... First there is an I -- then there is no I -- then there is. Second there is a mind--then there is no mind--then there is. Third there is a mountain--then there is no mountain--then there is. Right NOW... or NOT! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
Vaj, Some comments: (1) Some time ago, during a discussion of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, you referenced someone else's writings on CC (or perhaps turiyatita; this was someone in Patanjali's tradition from centuries ago, I believe). You made the comment that they described many characteristics of CC that MMY never does. You may have concluded that Maharishi doesn't really know what he was talking about due to these omissions. In any case, I've been curious ever since to find out from you some of these characteristics of CC that are not included in the canons of MMY. Other comments appear below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's funny when you see these parrotings of TMO doctrine. What's so funny is that most aren't even aware that to a Samkhya practitioner turiyatita (CC) *IS* the big E! Really all that can be said is that this is the POV of Mahesh Yogi (this CC opinion)-- because it certainly does not represent any lineal transmission. Most hilarious is the whole idea that there is a transition from CC to GC to UC. GC or Bhagavata-chetana is the style of enlightenment described by the Bhagavatins. The Bhagavatins were Vaishnavite Bhaktis--devotional practitioners from the cult of Vishnu! This is why when you study and practice from the perspective of the Shankaracharya trad. you will NOT find GC as part of any continuum of enlightenment. What these represent are different POV's--different darshanas. Advaita does show a path beyond turiyatita to videha-mukti (UC) but it ain't anything like M. claims. (2) In this last sentence, what are you referring to when you say it isn't like M. claims? Are you referring to the path beyond turiyatita, the state of vidha-mukti, or both? (3) MMY has sometimes referred to what he calls GC as Glorified Cosmic Consciousness, thus implying that it isn't really a distinct state, but is CC with refined perception and feeling. Regarding the path beyond turiyatita described by Advaita that you mentioned, are there no elements of refinement of perception or feeling included in that description? (4) Regarding to a Samkhya practitioner turiyatita (CC) *IS* the big E! and other comments that you made, are you implying that followers of a tradition who become enlightened always and only experience their enlightenment in terms of the POV of that tradition? (5) I have a personal opinion (not a strongly held belief), based on years of listening to MMY comment on people's experiences (years ago), that the CC/GC/UC model that he has laid out is, for him, an oversimplified model for the purpose of teaching to and inspiring large numbers of people. His comments on experiences make me believe that his own understanding is much more flexible, and takes into account a surprising number of characteristics and individual differences that are not included in the CC/GG/UC model. (6) I have a personal opinion, based on reading candid first person accounts of people who were not strongly connected to a tradition or a POV, that people do sometimes spontaneously experience, and describe in their own words, transitions that relate well to parts of the CC/GC/UC model, particularly the CC and UC parts. Or they may be connected to a tradition and a POV, but have experiences that go beyond what the POV offers as a final stage. They may also have experiences that do not relate well to the CC/GG/UC model, but that is another point. Vaj - your comments on these points would be most welcome. Also comments from others, if you like. Akasha? a To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
Forgive me, it seems that some of my comments overlap those of the venerable Akasha_108 and Vaj. I was too busy writing mine to keep up with FFL posts. Nonetheless, I think there are some valuable points in my post, and hope to see some responses. a --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj, Some comments: (1) Some time ago, during a discussion of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, you referenced someone else's writings on CC (or perhaps turiyatita; this was someone in Patanjali's tradition from centuries ago, I believe). You made the comment that they described many characteristics of CC that MMY never does. You may have concluded that Maharishi doesn't really know what he was talking about due to these omissions. In any case, I've been curious ever since to find out from you some of these characteristics of CC that are not included in the canons of MMY. Other comments appear below: SNIP TO END To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] That Awareness is expressed in the lifes of all in infinite ways is of little surprise. However, what I was seeking to confirm (or refute if there is no confirmation -- same process) is that there is some commonality to the so called experience of so called awakening. As a rough analogy, while all humans are unique and different, there are are core features of commonality that allow them to be classified as homo-sapiens. [SNIP TO END] *** I like to think that there is one underlying reality that all forms and expressions of enlightenment take part in. That may be asking too much, but I'd like to take it as a starting point. Then, the question arises, within that reality, how much room is there for variation of experience that could meaningfully be called awakened or enlightened? Some differences may be accounted for by people being at various stages. Thus, for example, you could have some speak of the world of change as unreal. While this sounds like a fairly advanced perception, it may be a reflection of the Self/Non-Self duality that M. associates with CC. Others might speak of the world of change as utterly real, and seamlessly connected to the unchanging, which sounds more like a UC perception. One confounding factor brought out in various autobiographical accounts is that awakened states may be experienced at first as ultimate because they all have some quality of unboundedness, infinity, immortality about them; whereas, it is only in retrospect that they may be recognized as transitional states moving on to more awakenings. But all of this presupposes that there is one more or less general outcome (with many minor variations) for everyone who is destined to awaken. That could be a false assumption. If we take it that advanced practitioners of many spiritual traditions have attained to the states that they define as awakened, how are we to account for the variances in description? Is some of this just a problem of trying to describe the ineffable? Would all of these people agree with each other about their states (if not their descriptions of them) if they sat down and talked to each other, as Dr. Pete has suggested? Or are there possibly fundamentally different realized states? For example, could it be that the Hindus experience Self- realization while Buddhists speak of there being no Self (big S or little), because these are different experiences of the underlying truth? I ran across an example of this the other day. I read a book by Ted Strauss, who used to be a TM teacher and now teaches with the Waking Down people. He describes two different states which he claims are at the same level of realization, but are experienced quite differently. These are CC-like experiences. He claims to have had both. The first he calls something like disembodied witness consciousness and the second he calls something like embodied witness consciousness. He considers the former to be what has traditionally been understood to be Self-realization and the latter to be much more rare. While he says that the two are equivalent as a realization of the Self as unbounded and uninvolved in any and all activity, he considers the latter to be superior, and the speciality of the Waking Down approach (naturally he considers it superior, since he is part of that tradition). I actually don't know what he is talking about, but found the concepts interesting. Is there anyone on FFL who has enough experience of Waking Down to comment on this? a To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, how is this: the Honorable, mystical and profound Sri Sri Sri Dr. Peter Sutpen (Square Pants) -- as unbounded as the sky, jivan-mukta, mindless, Jagat-psychologist -- known among some venerable souls as the stoned dutch boy. *** ... to Him we bow down again and again. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Primordial Shiva ... You are simply Primordial, Infinite Consciousness, Pure Shiva Exactly when is Shiva not Primordial or Pure. Does using these adjectives make you feel more mystical and profound? :) Apparently so! Om Tat Sat! Sounds like a gunas make me do it excuse to me. :) Well, I will try to adress you properly in the future: the Honorable mystical and profound Dr. Peter Sutpen (Square Pants) Sri Sri Sri will suffice and if you pay me you may call me Frank To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Liberation leads to liberation #1
[ any idea what external influence is reffered here ? ] The words of Gurdjieff: Liberation leads to liberation. These are the first words of truth--not truth in quotation marks but truth in the real meaing of the word; truth which is not merely theoretical, not simply a word, but truth that can be realized in practice. The meaning behind these words may be explained as follows: By liberation is meant the liberation which is the aim of all schools, all religions, at all times. This liberation can indeed be very great. All men desire it and strive after it. But it cannot be attained without the first liberation, a lesser liberation. The great liberation is liberation from influences outside us. The lesser liberation is liberation from influences within us. At first, for beginners, this lesser liberation appears to be very great, for a beginner depends very little on external influences. Only a man who has already become free of inner influences falls under external influences. Inner influencs prevent a man from falling under external influences. Maybe it is for the best. Inner influences and inner slavery come from many varied sources and many independent factors--independent in that sometimes it is one thing and sometimes another, for we have many enemies. There are so many of these enemies that life would not be long enough to struggle with each of them and free ourselves from each one separately. So we must find a method, a line of work, which will enable us simultaneously to destroy the greatest possible number of enemies within us from which these influences come. Gurdjieff, pages 266 - 267, Views from the Real World To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
Reply to Akasha appears below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] That Awareness is expressed in the lifes of all in infinite ways is of little surprise. However, what I was seeking to confirm (or refute if there is no confirmation -- same process) is that there is some commonality to the so called experience of so called awakening. As a rough analogy, while all humans are unique and different, there are are core features of commonality that allow them to be classified as homo-sapiens. [SNIP TO END] *** I like to think that there is one underlying reality that all forms and expressions of enlightenment take part in. That may be asking too much, but I'd like to take it as a starting point. Why not similataneously hold that there maybe is commonality and also mayber there is NOT commonality to all human expressions or experience of spritual unfoldment. It seems if you take ONE possiblity as true as the strating point, you may be chasing your tail. REPLY TO AKASHA: I feel very disappointed that you dismissed this discussion so easily. It is as if you didn't bother reading past my first paragraph and formed an opinion on that basis alone. Somehow, I think you misunderstood me. To better explain the point of view I was expressing, I'll use an analogy that you recently used: physicists acknowledge that some phenomena are best described by Newtonian physics, while others are better describe by Quantum Mechanics. However, an underlying assumption is that these two methods of describing and explaining phenomena are in fact describing the same universe. So that was my starting point. I chose to assume that there is one universe within which different people get enlightened. This says nothing about the description of that universe, or the character of the enlightenment of anyone in particular. For example, this same universe may support an enlightenment in which God or Personal God plays an important role, an enlightenment in which there is no God, an enlightenment in which the ultimate truth can well be described using words like Self, or an enlightenment in which there is No Self. These various forms of enlightenment may be on some sequential path, or they may be mutually exclusive end states. All of that is up for grabs, as far as I'm concerned. And yes, maybe there are forms of enlightenment that have no commonality whatsoever with other forms. What if everyone exists in his/her own universe with its own rules? What does that mean, really? Does it mean that the person's experience alone defines his/her universe? or that everyone else's universe doesn't really exist as far as I'm concerned? Well, we could go that way. But I don't find it very fruitful. I've included my original post below. I was hoping to get a more thoughtful reply from you. But, if you don't want to, well, ok, it was fun, I guess... a ORIGINAL POST REPEATED: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] That Awareness is expressed in the lifes of all in infinite ways is of little surprise. However, what I was seeking to confirm (or refute if there is no confirmation -- same process) is that there is some commonality to the so called experience of so called awakening. As a rough analogy, while all humans are unique and different, there are are core features of commonality that allow them to be classified as homo-sapiens. [SNIP TO END] *** I like to think that there is one underlying reality that all forms and expressions of enlightenment take part in. That may be asking too much, but I'd like to take it as a starting point. Then, the question arises, within that reality, how much room is there for variation of experience that could meaningfully be called awakened or enlightened? Some differences may be accounted for by people being at various stages. Thus, for example, you could have some speak of the world of change as unreal. While this sounds like a fairly advanced perception, it may be a reflection of the Self/Non-Self duality that M. associates with CC. Others might speak of the world of change as utterly real, and seamlessly connected to the unchanging, which sounds more like a UC perception. One confounding factor brought out in various autobiographical accounts is that awakened states may be experienced at first as ultimate because they all have some quality of unboundedness, infinity, immortality about them; whereas, it is only in retrospect that they may be recognized as transitional states moving on to more awakenings. But all of this presupposes that there is one more or less general outcome (with many minor variations) for everyone who is destined to awaken. That could be a false
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
Thanks for the comments martyboi. You have made the assumption that all languages for describing enlightenment are describing the same thing, even though the descriptions sound different. This may not be the case. This becomes more than just an interesting hobby when having to make choices about what teachers to listen to, and correspondingly, which practices to engage in. For example, take the ongoing discussion between Irmeli and TurquoiseB on the subject of emotions. The viewpoints that each is expressing give rise to very different ways of focusing one's attention, and different outcomes. Each viewpoint has an explanation for why the approach of the other will do harm in some way. It's your choice to listen to one of these approaches or not. But the outcome has real consequences. a --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for lurking, but I think this is a very interesting discussion: I like the way that Eckhart Tolle talks about words in relationship to enlightenment. He says that all word are just pointers, because the experience is beyond words, beyond thought. He explains that words like: Self, being, no-self, presence, void, all point to the same experience of perfectly awake silence, but are inadequate to describe it. However, when talking from that place, the silence is as if carried out like a signal on a carrier waves. I feel that this explains why the use of different languages by various teachers does not hinder you from getting there. Also explains why being in the presence of an enlightened person can have the quality of darshan - regardless if they speak or not or what words they do use. Enlightenment is primarily and experience that is beyond the mind, and any discussions about it only point to it. Of course, some individuals verbal skill probably point to it better than others do. Thinking about enlightenment, describing it, and analyzing it is just an interesting hobby that keeps you from getting bored until you are there. Of course, all work and no play, make you a dull boy... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reply to Akasha appears below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] That Awareness is expressed in the lifes of all in infinite ways is of little surprise. However, what I was seeking to confirm (or refute if there is no confirmation -- same process) is that there is some commonality to the so called experience of so called awakening. As a rough analogy, while all humans are unique and different, there are are core features of commonality that allow them to be classified as homo-sapiens. [SNIP TO END] *** I like to think that there is one underlying reality that all forms and expressions of enlightenment take part in. That may be asking too much, but I'd like to take it as a starting point. Why not similataneously hold that there maybe is commonality and also mayber there is NOT commonality to all human expressions or experience of spritual unfoldment. It seems if you take ONE possiblity as true as the strating point, you may be chasing your tail. REPLY TO AKASHA: I feel very disappointed that you dismissed this discussion so easily. It is as if you didn't bother reading past my first paragraph and formed an opinion on that basis alone. Somehow, I think you misunderstood me. To better explain the point of view I was expressing, I'll use an analogy that you recently used: physicists acknowledge that some phenomena are best described by Newtonian physics, while others are better describe by Quantum Mechanics. However, an underlying assumption is that these two methods of describing and explaining phenomena are in fact describing the same universe. So that was my starting point. I chose to assume that there is one universe within which different people get enlightened. This says nothing about the description of that universe, or the character of the enlightenment of anyone in particular. For example, this same universe may support an enlightenment in which God or Personal God plays an important role, an enlightenment in which there is no God, an enlightenment in which the ultimate truth can well be described using words like Self, or an enlightenment in which there is No Self. These various forms of enlightenment may be on some sequential path, or they may be mutually exclusive end states. All of that is up for grabs, as far as I'm concerned. And yes, maybe there are forms of enlightenment that have no commonality
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am simply saying I don't necessarily experience a natural progression of TC - CC - GC - UC...and really either does the tradition. That's reassuring for me. I know some paths introduce unity right away--you grab what you can and let it burn through to the base (of reality). Anything less is a prop of some sort. *** I don't think MMY would exclude this possibility of going for unity directly. What you are doing is ridiculing his official public position only. What follows is a quote from a post that I made recently on this topic (post #57280): I have a personal opinion (not a strongly held belief), based on years of listening to MMY comment on people's experiences (years ago), that the CC/GC/UC model that he has laid out is, for him, an oversimplified model for the purpose of teaching to and inspiring large numbers of people. His comments on experiences make me believe that his own understanding is much more flexible, and takes into account a surprising number of characteristics and individual differences that are not included in the CC/GG/UC model. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/57280 This post was directed to you, Vaj. I'm surprised that you didn't respond. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We automatically call our self the most permanent set of things present in our mental landscape. For most, these include personality, beliefs, habits, emotions, etc. When somone has 24/7 witnessing, the most permanent aspect of their existance is that 24/7 witnessing, so by definition, that is their self. *** By what definition? This presumes self to begin with. In other words, someone experiencing a sense of self has uttered these words. Contrast this with comments from Suzanne Segal such as: The mothering function is happening. It is happening better than if there were a mother. But there is no mother. She was referring to herself in relation to her child. From an outsider's perspective, she was obviously present, but she experienced no sense of a self. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, both work equally well, for people of the right temperament or predilection. And they might not work as well for people with other predilections. The game seems to be about determining what works best for you. Unc *** Yes, I agree with you on this. On the other hand, some choices may not have long term outcomes that are so desirable. It may take a lifetime to realize this. Then it isn't so fun to have made a mistake. I am not speaking of choices in the abstract. It is an issue that I am dealing with in my own life even now. That's why I'm not so inclined to the democratic equality of all possible pov's as you appear to be. Obviously, one has to have some criteria, be they from intellect, intuition, feeling, observation, experience, or whatever, to make such decisions. One thing I have thought of recently - we have the capacity to accept pain/discomfort to a remarkable degree if we think it is somehow for our good in the long run. So if our belief system says that the hell we are going through is unstressing, or in some other way an indication of success (substitute the belief system of your choice and its corresponding cross to bear), maybe we'll try to stick it out. If our belief system says that this same set of experiences means that this is not good for me, then we quit doing it, etc. But spiritual systems always come packaged with a corresponding set of beliefs that are designed to convince you that pain and discomfort experienced through those systems is a good thing, and will have a heavenly conclusion. So, when testing out the options on the market, not only are you dealing with your predispositions and previously held beliefs, you are also being exposed to new beliefs, and, to give a system a fair test, you are allowing yourself to revise your thinking to accept these new ideas. That's why I would like more of a dialog in this area. Because I don't think that truth is as relative as all that. Maybe human beings are very flexible. But is truth? a To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Maybe she meant, that when the ego self is transcended, and the Self is realized, than one begins to be more present, in the moment, obviously...And being more present in the moment, allows one to feel the moment more; therefore, without fear, being present in the moment allows one to just love. So, the loving aspect of mother is there, in the feeling..no ego, just a loving feeling of appreciation... *** re: Suzanne Segal - have you read her book? Because she would not have agreed that her experience could be described as when the ego self is transcended, and the Self is realized. For her, words such as ego self and Self had no meaning anymore. This was her experience, not someone's theory. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
There is a difference between speaking about ego, I, Self etc. as if these were real objects that could be pointed to meaningfully in an abstract discussion, and speaking about one's sense of self. A sense of self is an experience, not an idea. By all appearances, it is a very common experience, and the absence of it is not at all a common experience. Does this have anything to do with what is real? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ego(self) is as real as the 'it' in 'It's raining.' -- paraphrase from something posted last year on FFL No it at all. Just raining. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
Thanks for sharing your experiences with intuition. My intuition tells me to focus on that more myself, and you reminded me. a --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I'm a big believer in intuition, and that intuition can be trained. That is, one pays attention to one's intuitions and tries to figure out the state of attention or the feeling that accompanied the moment of intuitional seeing. Then, if the intuition turns out to be correct, watch for that same state of attention or feeling in the future, and pay more attention to it. I remember the first time I really had this work out for me. I had been being trained in this process for some time by my teacher at the time (Rama), and had experienced a few intuitions that were accompanied by a certain feeling. Each of them turned out to be factually, unequivocably true. Then (I was unhappy with my current job) I looked at the paper one Sunday and saw a want ad for the then third largest software company in the world. I didn't even have to read the text of the ad. The feeling was there. This was my job. I applied. They interviewed me. Everything seemed to go well. Then they didn't call. For a week or more they didn't call. I started getting worried. Not about the job per se, because after all, a job is just a job. What I was worried about is that this feeling I had come to count on had been wrong. So I called them. They said, Oh, we're so happy you called. We decided just after seeing you to hire you, but some twit in the personnel office lost your resume and no one here had your phone number. It *was* my job. I'd love to be able to say that I come to intellectual, reasoned decisions about the major decisions in my life, based on considering all the available options and then listing them in 'Plus' and 'Minus' columns and stuff like that. But it isn't true. I go mainly on intuition, as long as that feeling is there. And it has never steered me wrong. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you spend any time trying to find that sense of self it proves to be maddeningly untraceable. We assume that there is a self, but if you investigate into the matter there doesn't seem to be one locatable. The atma vichara (self inquiry) that a number of folks here have recommended (as well as Ramana Maharishi and Nisargadatta, among others) is extraordinarily profound (and addictive). *** One who tries to locate a self has started with the unconscious assumption that self is an object that could be located. Or, if it can't be located, then maybe the correct conclusion is that it doesn't exist. But a sense of self is not an object to be located. It is a feeling. If the feeling is there, it doesn't need to be traced. The feeling cannot be denied, even if no referent for the feeling could ever be found. Similarly, if the feeling is not there, nothing need be done to prove existence or non-existence of self. Yes, Ramana, Nisargadatta and others make interesting reading. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by definition, that is their self. Truth can't be obtained by definitions. Words are defined according to a world view that already presupposes a certain truth. That is why I said (below) that your definition started with an understanding that self exists. Then I said that you have this understanding because it is your experience. I followed this with an example of someone whose experience differs from yours, who would not find the world view that gave rise to your definition to hold true for her. Your follow-up points (below) on use of intellect and on the need for definitions, don't seem to have anything to do with this. *** By what definition? This presumes self to begin with. In other words, someone experiencing a sense of self has uttered these words. Contrast this with comments from Suzanne Segal such as: The mothering function is happening. It is happening better than if there were a mother. But there is no mother. She was referring to herself in relation to her child. From an outsider's perspective, she was obviously present, but she experienced no sense of a self. Uttering words involves use of definitions unless you are claiming that someone who is enlightened has no intellect to help guide the chooice of words to utter. Notice I didn't say that the intellect guided their Self or something, though I suppose that this distinction isn't an issue at some point... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of feeling is a sense of self? What is its taste, touch, scent, sound or image? Do you mean emotion? Then what emotion is sense of self? *** Well, anyone who has this feeling knows it without further discrimination or discussion. Got to go. Perhaps I'll check in again tomorrow. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it totally contradicted what Mahesh taught Premanand Paul Mason wrote: 'the standard treatise still used by the swamis of this order' is? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Treatise on Cosmic Consciousness (jivanmuktiviveka) by Shankaracharya Vidyaranya. This is what I was hoping that you could elaborate on. Not just an idle request. I think you would be doing a service for the readers of FFL to bring out the significant differences/contradictions to what many of us were taught. a To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Advanced Technique News
Wally and Alexandria DeVasier Didn't they get divorced? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: La fête de la musique
On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I have been there, and without the French people France have a potential of being a nice place. yuck To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot understand how this kind of theoretical, intellectual speculation can help a person to evolve. why speculation ? No. Jnana has it's own value. yes? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: OnWard Christian Soldiers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hari Om, You will find this Web-Link most interesting and absorbing. Islamic hateful anti-Semitic lies. what's new. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes this was Norbert. He was a big fan of an initiator who imagined himself having been Ernst Röhm, chief of the SA who was executed by Hitler later on. My understanding is that it was specifically Hermann Goering who eliminated his rival Rohm, after (presumably) causing the Reichstag fire and (certainly) exploiting it to eradicate homeland civil rights in the name of security. I'm a uniter, not a divider. I refuse to play the politics of putting people into groups and pitting one group against another. George Bush, May 6, 1999 He's also a gigantic, moronic, neurologically impaired, tremendous asshole. Have a pitta day. Which he would that be? Norbert? Rory? Goering? Bush? All of the above? Duh. This is what the samskara free mind projects. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Your support is vitally needed! Let's give the Vedic Scholars a very warm welcome, and make sure that they have all that they need. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do I send the go fvck yourself letter? What a bunch of con artists. Yes, I seek THAT. That pure holy enlightenment! I seek THAT! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THIS IS NOT A JOKE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID Subject: President Bush explains his Social Security Reform Proposal: WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is it the new plan is going to fix the problem? Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH: Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the --like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, supposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red. This is the President of the most powerful nation on earth. It would make a great joke if it wasn't true. He truly doesn't know what he is talking about, he only thinks he knows. A very dangerous combination. um, yeah. Look in the mirror. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Your support is vitally needed! Let's give the Vedic Scholars a very warm welcome, and make sure that they have all that they need. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do I send the go fvck yourself letter? What a bunch of con artists. I'm not sure that's the warm welcome our fearless Raja had in mind... My manners, I know.. But that's how we greet people in South Florida! Yeah, I remember seeing those Greetings from South Florida ... go fvck yourself postcards in every gift-shop in Sarasota. ;-) Its Self talking to your pseudo Self, Rory To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apology to Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize to you Maharishi for all the nasty and mean things I have said over the years. You are my guru as much if not more so than any other I have had, and I am not fit to judge you. Please forgive me my ignorance and if you don't mind then in your compassion please continue to allow your bliss and grace to flow through your TM to me as it has always done, and still does even now. I still don't deserve your grace so I am infinitely blessed. When I came into the world I was in ignorance, and TM made me an expert in samadhi in no time. I'll never forget the extremely lucid meditations in the dome when we had high numbers. Even today by myself my meditations are extremely heavenly. So Thank You Maharishi. I will try to be less hasty in the future. I still would be a TM teacher if I could because the technique is still that precious to me. Jai Guru Dev. Kirk Bernhardt 2005 Thats nice. But its about the 10th time you have said such and then start heavily dissing him all over again. See a pattern? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Karl Rove's/ Mantra-Divide and Rule...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What do you think of the new Supreme Court ruling that allows local governments to buy out private landowners in order to allow some OTHER private land owner to build a business park? Of course, that is not what the SC ruled. It upheld 100 years of precedent where eminent domain is used for public purpose -- in this case a redevelopment project to revitalize the econonomy of the town /area. A little scary. It's also happening here in Hollywood Florida where an owner will not sell four commercial properties to a developer who wants to put up a 19 story condo. The town is thinking of using eminent domain to force the sale. There's something very un-American and anti private property in this. Greedy, driven by pure old greed. Similar thing here in Santa Clara California with the city holding public meetings on 17 acres of open space surplused by UC-Davis, overwhelming public consensus is to keep it open space, but money has changed hands under several tables and now the city council through the state legislature is trying to change the law to develop lots of houses on it. This costs the citizens money in terms of taxes paid vs services provided, but provides political gain to council members, and $$$ benefit to developers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do I send the go fvck yourself letter? What a bunch of con artists. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I seek THAT. That pure holy enlightenment! I seek THAT! I sometimes wonder what and how long it will take for one to fully comprehend that the act of seeking is itself the perfect denial of the ordinary pure holy enlightenment one already is... and then again remembering that seeking is itself yet another expression of that pure holy enlightenment ... I sometimes wonder how long it will take some to sense sarcasm? Why would one take seriously an enlightenment consisting of aggregrevated anger? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 1:32 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing you can say about a Master is that a Master does not merely dispense teaching by puja but by adhikara--your own unique needs, a personal authorization for practice...or at least provides you with skillful means to do so! People read way too much into the wholesale dispensing of mantra. If the Master is enlightened, it seems to me that 'teaching by puja' is the same as 'by adhikara'. Both obtain the same result, though the seeker may view it as two different methods. Can I supersize your McMeditation or would you like an Amrit Kalash with that mantra? Something wrong with being obesely spiritual? :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that a word? Sal On Jun 24, 2005, at 3:11 PM, anonymousff wrote: aggregrevated You thought it was just a meaningless sound? :) The extra reg and e for a switch is a mid 1600s form of the word used by alchemists -- that means really aggravated. At least thats the roomer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You thought it was just a meaningless sound? :) The extra reg and e for a switch is a mid 1600s form of the word used by alchemists -- that means really aggravated. At least thats the roomer. And as any dedicated etymologist, philologist, or linguist knows, roomer is the original Middle English form of rumor (and I suppose rumour), and as such is much preferred by true purists :-) Ah then you are familiar with middle english hoomer. Oddly close to Homer. D'oh! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do I send the go fvck yourself letter? What a bunch of con artists. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I seek THAT. That pure holy enlightenment! I seek THAT! I sometimes wonder what and how long it will take for one to fully comprehend that the act of seeking is itself the perfect denial of the ordinary pure holy enlightenment one already is... and then again remembering that seeking is itself yet another expression of that pure holy enlightenment ... I sometimes wonder how long it will take some to sense sarcasm? Why would one take seriously an enlightenment consisting of aggregrevated anger? In all seriousness, what does anger or the lack thereof have to do with enlightenment? Are you assuming enlightenment excludes anger? I'm assuming enlightenment is whatever you want it to be. Convenient and profound! But not for me. I like that always content, flexible, loving, new morning feeling -- whatever you care to call it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anger and Self-Realized, Liberated Sages/Yogis Absorbed in Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that's all good and fine, but are you understanding this to mean that a realized person can not exhibit angry behavior? Apparently. From the Gita-traditions, its pretty straightforward, and repeated many times, from many angles. Why would that occur? Forget about me. Let's talk about MMY, somebody that, I assume, we can agree is Self-realized. Have you ever seen him royally pissed-off? I have. It is a sight to behold. Raw power. Many others on this list have seen him pissed-off too. I have seen Maharishi exhibit intense displeasure over large-scale, organizational things. Not personal things. That is a large difference that English perhaps does not well distinguish. I would term what I have seen of Maharishi as something like serious corrective focus or supreme peeling off the bs or engraining a deep point in his staff. The behavior you miscast as anger in Maharishi, IMO, has a quality of severe and intense focus. Personal anger, what I beleive the gita is referring to, is a very scattered, explosive unfocused, chaotic thing. They are quite different. I have never seen him exhibit a perterbed, disquieted mind or petty personal frustrations from meeting a resistance. Indeed in my experience, he often is a consistent resevoir of flexibility and resilience, of graceousness and humor, often absorbing or turning around situations that would make most others frustrated and angry. And this is often with a work load and sleep schedule that would make most people so fried as to be explosively raw and angry. Are you equating your frequent anger as the same type of thing exhibited by Maharishi? Have you seen SS Ravi Shankar angry? Karunamayi? Mother Meera? Its near impossible for me to concieve of anger within them. Does that mean that he is not enlightened? Of course not. I don't waste my time pondering if someone is enlightened or not. I look to their qualities. For me, Maharishi has some mixed qualities. To me, the majority are deep, wonderful and sublime. The understanding of the scripture is incorrect. It does mean an enlightened being can not get angry. Thats a convenient interpretation. And fits the trend of defining enlightenment anyway one likes. To me, it points to the many downsides and folly of seeking enlightenment, proclaiming enlightenment, or playing the enlightened one. Read the full gita text, quote after quote. Upon reading that, and in your personal experience of silence and wholness, tell us what role does anger play for spritually absorbed, spiritually mature people? Its an experiential oxymoron to me. anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would one take seriously an enlightenment consisting of aggregrevated anger? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen wrote: In all seriousness, what does anger or the lack thereof have to do with enlightenment? Are you assuming enlightenment excludes anger? I don't know. What tradition / teacher has proclaimed you to be enlightened? Is the Bhagavad-Gita part of their tradition? Gita-related traditions hold that anger not a good quality, and certainly not one found in one who is a sage of steady Prajna, has fulfilled all desires, is not deluded, is fully absorbed in Me (Krishna), taking refuge in Me, and purified by the fire of Self-knowledge, many have attained Me, a yogi and a happy person, a Self-realized person who has subdued the mind and senses [and who] easily attains nirvana, a sage [who] is verily liberated, endowed with divine virtues, one [who] becomes fit for attaining oneness with Brahman ... Absorbed in Brahman, liberated from these three gates of hell... and attains the supreme goal. Bhagavad-Gita 2:56 A person whose mind is unperturbed by sorrow, who does not crave pleasures, and who is free from attachment, fear, and ANGER; such a person is called a sage of steady Prajna. (2.56) One develops attachment to sense objects by thinking about sense objects. Desire for sense objects comes from attachment to sense objects, and ANGER comes from unfulfilled desires. (2.62) Delusion arises from ANGER. The mind is bewildered by delusion. Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. One falls down (from the right path) when reasoning is destroyed. (2.63) The Supreme Lord said: It is Kaama and ANGER born of Rajo Guna. Kaama is insatiable and is a great devil. Know this as the enemy. (3.37) Kaama, the passionate desire for all sensual and material pleasures, becomes ANGER if it is unfulfilled. As the fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror by dust, and as an embryo by the amnion, similarly the Self-knowledge gets obscured by Kaama. (3.38) Freed from attachment, fear, and ANGER; fully absorbed in Me, taking refuge in Me, and purified by the fire of Self-knowledge, many have attained Me. (4.10) One who is able to withstand the impulse of lust
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anger and Self-Realized, Liberated Sages/Yogis Absorbed in Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/25/05 12:35 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that's all good and fine, but are you understanding this to mean that a realized person can not exhibit angry behavior? Why would that occur? Forget about me. Let's talk about MMY, somebody that, I assume, we can agree is Self-realized. Have you ever seen him royally pissed-off? I have. It is a sight to behold. Raw power. Many others on this list have seen him pissed-off too. Does that mean that he is not enlightened? Of course not. The understanding of the scripture is incorrect. It does mean an enlightened being can not get angry. The anger does not touch their essential nature. The anger is their essential nature. IOW, they are the anger just as they are everything else they perceive. ??? Anger, like all other experience, is a relative thing. While someone in Unity may well be one with the anger, you can make a case that the analysis of someone in CC's anger is as far as you need go in discussing this issue (at least *I* make that case). With someone in CC, you have Self and you have everything else, including all emotional states. As long as those emotional states don't draw the person out of CC, then those states doesn't touch their essential nature. You can say that they are angry (have the experience of anger) and yet are untouched by it, on the level of Self. When dealing with what the Gita says, recall that it can be interpreted according to the state of consciousness of the reader. For someone who is in waking state, the verses are a warning against anger because it is detrimental for growth. For someone transitioning into CC, they are still a warning about growth because anger, according to the Gita, is the most likely thing to draw someone out of Self. For someone in CC, they are an observation that someone in CC isn't angry in the sense that Self can't get angry even if body can. That is a laudible statement consistent with TMO teachings -- the Atman is not disturbed. However, the Gita is saying something beyond this. A person whose mind [anudvigna-manah] is unperturbed by sorrow, who does not crave pleasures, and who is free from attachment, fear, and ANGER; such a person is called a sage of steady Prajna. (2.56) krodhah--anger One develops attachment to sense objects by thinking about sense objects. Desire for sense objects comes from attachment to sense objects, and ANGER comes from unfulfilled desires. (2.62) Delusion arises from ANGER. The mind is bewildered by delusion. Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. One falls down (from the right path) when reasoning is destroyed. (2.63) ** The Gita refers not to Atman, but to the mind, specifically manas [in text its manah form of manas]. In a self-realized one the MANAS is not disturbed, is not agitated. This probably has to do with the manas-maya-kosha being purified or burned away. In addition, note that fear and craving of pleasure are also absent in the manas of a realized one. While your (sparig) perspective is still true, the Atman is not perterbed by anger (fear and craving), the Gita is making an even deeper point. It refers to manas being unagitated, not Atman (though Atmans non-agitation is implicit). To accept Peter's view that these points about anger are a misinterpretation of the gita, and that anger DOES agitate the mind of the self-realized, then we would have to accept that fear and craving for pleasure also agitate the mind (manas) -- becasue they are equated in this quote. Yet, I have not seen Maharishi exhibit behaviorial states of fear. Indeed it is said from Upanishads, quoted often by Maharishi, that fear is born of duality and that in Unity no fear can exist. As far as craving for pleasure -- a realized one has tastes and preferences, but their mind is not AGITATED when pleasure is absent. Experientially, I think most who have some spiritual practice for some time, know exactly this feeling /state experientially. The mind is NOT lost or become agitated or one does not lose it when an obstacle is presented (source of anger), or when an unknown situation arises (source of fear) or when a pleasurable experience is absent. This is why the gita talks about a steady-fast mind or the realized, or as in the above quotes, a sage of steady Prajna. So Sparig, while you are correct that Atman is not disturbed by anger (fear or craving), also the mind (manas) of the self-realized is not agitated and distured, overcome, lost, become unglued or unfocused by these things. The agitation of the mind, the chaos of the state, the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anger and Self-Realized, Liberated Sages/Yogis Absorbed in Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So Sparig, while you are correct that Atman is not disturbed by anger (fear or craving), also the mind (manas) of the self-realized is not agitated and distured, overcome, lost, become unglued or unfocused by these things. The agitation of the mind, the chaos of the state, the losing it experience, and the uncontrolled passion of krodha, are almost the opposite of the intense, focused searing attention of a realized or powerful teacher making a point. Peter's equating this intense focus with uncontrolled krodha is superficial and not worthy of serious consideration. Nicely said. However, I think that one can make a case that there are times when the *appearance* of uncontrolled krodha might be good to project. Agreed. Gurus play a lot of games. Are tricksters. In the good sense. I am sure Maharishi has feigned krodha to make a point. Like when he ran after idle workman in Rishikesh with a big stick, yelling at them. (as relayed by a friend). He and Satyanand were probably rolling on the floor in stitches later that night (Satyanand: you are one ashima-steeped yogi alright!) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jacques in the Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Unc, what does the average, Jacques in the street think about America? Any interesting conversations with your average French dude? And what about Mohammad on the street? 25% of France is now Muslim. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jacques in the Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Unc, what does the average, Jacques in the street think about America? Any interesting conversations with your average French dude? And what about Mohammad on the street? 25% of France is now Muslim. That's probably too high: http://tinyurl.com/dwv9v Religion: Roman Catholic 83-88 percent, Protestant 2 percent, Jewish 1 percent, Muslim 5-10 percent, unaffiliated 4 percent http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles4/SpencerMuslimFrance.shtml http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-text/france-immigration.html http://www.mariebrenner.com/articles/daughters/df1.html It was from Tom Brokow on an NBC special. it seemed high to me. but I figured he had his facts triple checked. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jacques in the Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Unc, what does the average, Jacques in the street think about America? Any interesting conversations with your average French dude? And what about Mohammad on the street? 25% of France is now Muslim. That's probably too high: http://tinyurl.com/dwv9v Religion: Roman Catholic 83-88 percent, Protestant 2 percent, Jewish 1 percent, Muslim 5-10 percent, unaffiliated 4 percent http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles4/SpencerMuslimFrance.shtml http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-text/france-immigration.html http://www.mariebrenner.com/articles/daughters/df1.html It was from Tom Brokow on an NBC special. it seemed high to me. but I figured he had his facts triple checked. *** Possibly Brokaw said something like 25% of the under 25 population is Muslim: I rewound it 3 times. He said 25% of french population is muslim. Well Tom is not God. Surprising, sort of, if no one at NBC checks facts. I'll do a more thorough check in the morning. When I lived in France in 1970, there were a fair amount of northern african muslims, algerians, lybians, etc. http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles4/SpencerMuslimFrance.shtml What will an Islamic France be like? We may soon find out. Muslims now make up 10 percent of the French population - as well as 20 to 30 percent of those under 25. They'll be a majority there within 25 years if demographic trends continue. but MSNBC is publishing reports that there are 5 million Muslims in France ( out of a total population of 62 million http://www.insee.fr/en/ffc/pop_age2b.htm for about 12% Muslims in France)), and that most are not radical: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8255263/ The French government launched the council two years ago to create a leadership body for the fractious community and promote moderate belief against what it saw as the growing influence of radical Islam among the country's 5 million Muslims. The large majority of French Muslims identifies with a middle-of-the- road Islam, the daily Le Monde wrote in an approving editorial. In the election, the National Federation of French Muslims, which supports a pious and apolitical Islam linked with Moroccan immigrants, won 19 of the 43 seats on the council -- a jump of three seats from its score in 2003. The Grand Mosque of Paris network, representing the moderate Islam of its main backer, Algeria, advanced from six to 10 seats despite criticism of its leadership being too linked to conservative President Jacques Chirac. SETBACK FOR ACTIVISTS By contrast, the Union of French Islamic Organisations (UOIF), close to the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, saw its strength slip from 13 to 10 seats. Popular among younger Muslims, the group has flirted with Islamist views, for example when it hinted girls should defy a ban on headscarves in state schools. But it has become more moderate over the years. People have realised that it (the UOIF) does not present an alternative. We have to be serious and go for something much more credible and visible, anthropologist Malek Chebel told Europe 1 radio. One Muslim leader said the result would help reassure the majority French population and establish Islam as a respected religion. Although Islam is now the second religion in France after Roman Catholicism, it is often seen as foreign. Most of France's Muslims are integrated into French society, despite the fact many still encounter racial prejudice. Only about 10 percent regularly pray at mosques, which puts them at the national average for religious practice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anger and Self-Realized, Liberated Sages/Yogis Absorbed in Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mind always projects its own stuff. The mind has its own agenda which is primarily bending experience to fit a priori concepts. Which for the most part is quite useful and enabling. With no a priori concepts as to the mass of images in our perception, or a cascade of actions, etc. we would be as functional as babies. In short, the mind wants to be right. Maybe an ego element wants to be right. Its my experience that the mind, (and you seem to be referring to the whole mental thing, not just manas but intellect buddhi too) wants to find what works -- often in terms of labeling patterns of events, or shapes and forms, or personality traits, etc. Such labels, being a generalization, are both useful and limiting. Useful in that this new theory allows one to predict with some high probability what may occur when this pattern occurs, allowing you to take appropriate actions: clouds are forming, the air has a certain smell, its winter time -- better cover up the vurlnerable stuff thats outside. Categroizing patterns are limiting when there is rigidity in the expectation: a bunch of street-dressed kids coming running down the sidewalk, yelling and carrying on. Could be dangerous, its good to be a bit cautious. But it could be youthful exuberance celebrating something new to you and if open to it, you can join in the celebration. The key appers to be quite flexibile and provisional in our categories, always reshaping them to fit new data -- perceptions, outcomes etc. I don't think its universal that the mind or ego wants to conform data to its a priori concepts. This simply applies to a certain type of personality -- probably a type that frequents the good Doc's office. A dysfunctional tendency or need for an ego to find security that it is missing in other broader areas, and clinging to the security of clinging to stone chiseled concepts and mental models. Spiritual unfoldment with worldly capabilities appears to be where there is similtaneosuly the ability and total openness to change a priory concepts, mental models, etc, on the fly -- while similtaneously having a deep and sophisticated models that do work well in navigating the patterns of the world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anger and Self-Realized, Liberated Sages/Yogis Absorbed in Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The page in front of me is as empty as Laurel's canvas is when she starts a painting, as empty as Keith Jarrett's music stand is when he sits down to play. It's a little scary, trying to create like this, with no plan and no clue as to what you will create and whether it will work or not. But when it *does* work, the payoff is enormous. Unc Thats my experience to, if I am understanding you correctly. For example, when I start a post, I have no idea what i am going to say -- though its sad when I finish and have no I idea what I said. :) My response just starts with a feeling that something in another's is a bit difference from my experience. Or something is missing. And I start to write it out, various points come out, some pattern emerges, some larger theme. And in doing such, I learn many things that I was not conscious of before. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious, do you happen to know which spiritual group promulgates the idea that it's the second highest teaching? Alex Funny. But ... John the Baptist -- preparing the way. Even today, some new agey groups appear to be saying similar things. A yoga asanas teacher -- this gives yo a good foundation so you can do higher work To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny. But ... John the Baptist -- preparing the way. snip Do we actually know John the Baptist's take on the whole thing? I am only aware of written material from a sect that (apparently and apparently successfully) wished to marginalize him in favor of their own candidate. I have no authoritative knowledge of J the B. You should have asked Charlie - he, among others, proclaimed to be J the B. I believe. Or was it M being J the B, with SBS being JC. Too many stories for me. (Charlie did proclaim to also be Alexander the Great.) (btw, do people in the lands he ravaged call him the great?) But your point is true with all surviving religions and political power sources. Thus, its always prudent I fidn to try to see history through the opposing / losing / non-surviving sides. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anger and Self-Realized, Liberated Sages/Yogis Absorbed in Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Can you talk about your time with Mother Meera? I have never seen her. But when i bought one of her books, I was mesmerized by her picture for 3 hours or more, and was spontaneously surrendering and making great laudations to her, hitting deep emotional chords. You can't get around it, she's an attractive women. lurk Well its not the same type of reaction to Maria Sharopova. For her there is a different reaction. (watching Wimbledon) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anger and Self-Realized, Liberated Sages/Yogis Absorbed in Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This verse [II:55] this verse, by itself, in contrast to verses that following ... does not record any outer sign of the man whose intellect is steady and who is established in the Self, because there cannot be any outer sign to show that a man is absorbed deep within himself. The inner state of such a man cannot be judged by outer signs. It cannot be said that he sits like this or like that or closes his eyes in any particular manner. outer signs is defined by example as a class of criteria that are simple, even superficial, quite overt, external things. It is not obvious that M is extending his prohibition to signs not in this overt, superficial class. No such external signs can serve as criteria of this stateThe Lord does not enter into any such description. The signs recounted here [in II-5, not the rest of the chapter] are only subjective. They concern the inner condition of the mind The Lord does not enter into any such description here [II-55], but he clearly does in the following verses [II-56-60] and in other parts of the gita, noteably 16:1-3. Such descriptions of the qualities of a person of steady prajna may not be overt signs, that is outer signs as classified and defined by example above, but there are still abundant descriptions presented. For example: * A person whose mind is unperturbed by sorrow, who does not crave pleasures, and who is free from attachment, fear, and anger; such a person is called a sage of steady Prajna. (2.56) Those who are not attached to anything, who are neither elated by getting desired results nor troubled by undesired results, their Prajna is deemed steady. (2.57) When one can completely withdraw (or restrain) the senses from the sense objects as a tortoise withdraws its limbs (into the shell), then the Prajna of such a person is considered steady. (2.58) The desire for sensual pleasures fades away if one abstains from sense enjoyment, but the craving (for sense enjoyment) remains. The craving also disappears from the one who has seen (or known) the Supreme. (2.59) Restless senses, O Arjuna, forcibly carry away the mind of even a wise person striving for perfection. (2.60) For continuity, here are the verses leading up to the above: Arjuna said: O Krishna, what is the mark of a person whose Prajna is steady and merged in superconscious state? How does a person of steady Prajna speak? How does such a person sit and walk? (2.54) (Prajna means consciousness, mind, intellect, judgment, discrimination, and wisdom.) The Supreme Lord said: When one is completely free from all desires of the mind and is satisfied in the Self by the (joy of) Self, then one is called a person of steady Prajna, O Arjuna. (2.55) II-55 comentary focuses on outer signs. The above verses, II:56-60, are a new and different category:signs of absence. These are an opposite category of outward signs discussed in M commentary for II-55. These signs of absence are a LACK of: craving, sorrow, attachment, fear, and anger, elation, troublesome demeanor, wandering senses, desire for sensual pleasures, etc. These signs of absence may be either overt or not apparent. For example, anger (explosive karhoda ) can be felt internally and controlled, not visable to others, or it can manifest and explod in clearly visuable rage. These signs of absence may not be a sufficient sign for a person of steady prajna, but they appear to be a necessary sign. They appear to provide a disqualification criteria for a person of steady prajna. That is, for a person who never experiences (inward) or expresses (outward) anger, this absence is not a sufficient sign to proclaim steady prajna. However, the experience (inward) or expressed (outward) anger of anyone may be a sufficient criteria for indicating that they are NOT of steady prajna. ... But what are outer signs? 16:1-3 goes into this in some detail. * The Supreme Lord said: Fearlessness, purity of heart, perseverance in the yoga of knowledge, charity, sense restraint, sacrifice, study of the scriptures, austerity, honesty; (16.01) Nonviolence, truthfulness, absence of anger, renunciation, equanimity, abstaining from malicious talk, compassion for all creatures, freedom from greed, gentleness, modesty, absence of fickleness; (16.02) Splendor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, absence of malice, and absence of pride; these are the qualities of those endowed with divine virtues, O Arjuna. (16.03) ** Some of these are repetitions of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Different levels of Bodhisattvas
Thank you, thats a wonderful post. It rings so true, intuitively, for me, that there are states of innumerable virtues, and even these states are not yet the end of human refinement. So much less to say of attained states still exhibiting regular anger and such. For perspective, is full Buddhahood, beyond the cloud of dharma, realized by many in these traditions? The Dalai Lama ? Various Rinpoches? At what level is the attainment of the Rainbow Body? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This brief description may explain a little bit about attainment of Bodhisattvas. -Vaj When bodhicitta has been developed until it is natural and intrinsic, the bodhisattva has completely obtained the sambharamarga (which has lower levels before this point). Then many spiritual powers (rddhi) are attained, such as psychic power (mahabhijna), which enables the bodhisattva to know other people's thoughts, to know the past and future events of other beings' lives, to fly, to have multiple bodies, and so forth. A bodhisattva does not concentrate on these techniques specially to get a particular power; these powers come naturally. But the bodhisattva is able to put them to good use because these powers aid greatly in seeing the karma, spiritual development and potentialities of other beings, and whether or not they are in a state where they can be helped escape from samsara. The bodhisattva can see at which place beings can receive teachings from the buddhas and bodhisattvas in the various buddha-fields. 14 Many other virtues also accrue to the bodhisattva. At this point the most important thing for the bodhisattvas is to meditate on emptiness, which is still not perceived clearly. When emptiness becomes clearer the second path, the path of training, is attained; this stage immediately precedes becoming an arya-bodhisattva. Then, after much meditation, the feeling arises within the bodhisattva that the mind that meditates and emptiness are one, like water poured into water; (this feeling, though, is deceptive). This signifies the attainment of the path of seeing and the becoming of an arya-bodhisattva. Although the arya-bodhisattva still retains old karma as well as some defilements, no new karma is produced from this level of attainment onwards, and there is a great increase in psychic powers. For instance, the arya-bodhisattva begins obtaining the power to eradicate past karma and even deeper defilements. Because there are many different layers of avarana, they have to be removed one by one; as the psychic powers grow stronger, the bodhisattva can remove more and more layers. Due to the first direct perception of emptiness on the path of seeing, the bodhisattva removes the first layer of obscuration of defilements (kleshavarana). The bodhisattva now has greater wisdom because there are fewer layers of defilements covering or hiding reality. On the first two paths, the obscurations are suppressed but are not truly eradicated and therefore they can still rise again. But on the path of seeing, one layer is actually removed forever. In all, there are ten layers of defilement-obscurations; they are like ten cloths which hide reality and have to be peeled or washed away. The practitioner removes the veils covering reality in the same way that one washes clothes, by using the strength of washing soap appropriate to the amount of dirt. There are ten levels 15 of arya-bodhisattva: 1 The joyous (pramudita) 2 The stainless (vimala) 3 The light-maker (prabhakari) 4 The radiant (arcishmati) 5 The very hard to conquer (sudurjaya) 6 The turning-toward (abhimukhi) 7 The far-going (durangama) 8 The unshakable (acala) 9 The good mind (sadhumati) 10 The cloud of dharma (dharmamegha) The joyous level, pramudita, is reached on the path of seeing, and all the other nine on the path of intense contemplation. At each of the ten levels, the bodhisattva has increasingly greater virtue and has overcome more defilements. In several scriptures, the amount of increase in virtue is given for each level; at some levels the virtues are innumerable. All these levels are a connected stream. One layer of defilement-obscuration is removed at each of the first seven levels; at the eighth, The unshakable, the remaining three are removed so that the bodhisattva is then free entirely from kleshavarana. With respect to the removal of defilements, the bodhisattva is equal with the lower arhats, but in terms of the virtue amassed through such practice, the bodhisattva is much higher. These defilements are all removed by meditation on emptiness; at the level of the unshakable there is particularly strong growth in the strength of this meditation on emptiness. At the
[FairfieldLife] Cyberstalking (was TM Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras)
Barry and Judy, Please stop the tivial ego wars. We don't care about your age old grievances from AMT. You are both inteligent and interesting people with positive things to contribute. Lick your old wounds, and focus on things beyond your wounded egos. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to put this stalker silliness in some sort of perspective The stalker silliness is put in perspective by noting the fact that Barry *invited* alt.m.t participants to join FFL. before going back to ignoring her, the stalker in question said on a.mt. only *two days ago*, with regard to moi: Actually things have been *vastly* more pleasant here since you decided you'd have more luck putting over your phony act on FFL. Take a hike. We're wise to you on alt.m.t. and Get lost, jerk. Go throw your dick around FFL some more. Maybe they'll be impressed. If anyone is interested, here's a link to the context, so you can see what Barry said that I was responding to: http://tinyurl.com/ceqp7 snip But *two days* after declaring that things at a.m.t. were more pleasant without me, and that I should take a hike and get lost, the stalker is here on FFL replying to the posts of the very person she told to get lost, the person who has stated quite clearly and publicly that he wishes to have no inter- action with her at all on FFL. Asked *one* question--of the group in general-- concerning something Barry appeared to be saying about what MMY teaches, because I'd never heard it before. Subsequent responses to Barry were merely in the interests of setting the record straight after Barry chose to impose his own self-serving and deceptive spin on it. Now you've seen an example of what we've been dealing with over on alt.m.t lo these many years. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Some FFL Guidelines to Keep in Mind
1) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. Speak the truth that is sweet is a worthy aspiration. If angry, take some time to gain composure before writing or pushing the send button. 2) Edit your posts and make them as concise and non-repetitive as possible. 3) Please be highly selective in quoting a message to which you are responding, deleting all but the most relevant portions of the prior posts. This makes the daily digest easier to read for those who subscribe to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Cyberstalking (was TM Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, safeite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and Judy, Please stop the tivial ego wars. We don't care about your age old grievances from AMT. You are both inteligent and interesting people with positive things to contribute. Lick your old wounds, and focus on things beyond your wounded egos. Mud wrestling or jello wrestling would be my preference...webcast LIVE from the Palais de Danse en Paris... Or if they are going to sling insults, veiled or otherwise, have them sing them to each other forte forte at L'Opera de Bastille. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Rory Goff wrote: Yes, I guess this is where we differ -- I honestly don't think any path is going to take us anywhere other than here, and so I don't think Buddhahood can be achieved at all. Rather, we do what we do until we don't, if you see what I mean. And why would you choose to believe that this is not a path? I am not saying this didn't feel like a path at the time -- only that after the fact, one sees it that led exactly nowhere. Hence I don't really get the whole discussion of which path is better (or gets us enlightened or leads us to Buddhahood or whatever), or which view is better, and so on. To me they all look like exactly the same path and the same view -- a view involving denial of here- now in favor of something conceptualized and projected not-here-now; e.g. something better, later. Am I missing something here? If so, I appreciate your patience in attempting to explain it to me. It must be a pretty huge blindspot, because I am definitely not getting it. So you are seeking a better later by resolving your blindspot? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Vaj
He came to Mallorca I for a week or two. Gave some talks. Spent a lot of time with M. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/27/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is great. Thanks. Does anyone know ? Was Herbert Benson a TM researcher, practitioner? I know he later proved that people relaxing were in fact, relaxing, and that Tibetan Buddhists could increase the temperature of their toes. But hasn't done much lately? I once drove Benson from Boston down to Yale and back. He never got initiated into TM. Did some early research with Keith Wallace before going on to do his own thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, path gives folks something to do with themselves until that realization dawns. And it's probably better than fighting wars or whacking off. Yes (though one might argue that one can play with a path *and* play with oneself simultaneously)... Which brings up yet another deep philosophical question: if you're in UC and play with yourself, are you really playing with your Self? :-) Well, it gets even scarier. When Rory is playing with Himself, he is playing with you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Cyberstalking (was TM Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and Judy, Please stop the tivial ego wars. We don't care about your age old grievances from AMT. You are both inteligent and interesting people with positive things to contribute. Lick your old wounds, and focus on things beyond your wounded egos. I am most anxious to do so, in the form of ignoring her presence here completely. If she extends to me the same courtesy, the matter shall never arise again. Unc The next one to dis the other gets sent to their cave with no amalak or water. Step right up, ladies and gents and take your bets: see who can ignore who the longest. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, path gives folks something to do with themselves until that realization dawns. And it's probably better than fighting wars or whacking off. Yes (though one might argue that one can play with a path *and* play with oneself simultaneously)... Which brings up yet another deep philosophical question: if you're in UC and play with yourself, are you really playing with your Self? :-) Well, it gets even scarier. When Rory is playing with Himself, he is playing with you. There are several levels of meaning to the term 1000 Headed Purusha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. Concepts are useful tools. I see arguing over who invented/discovered the concept as a little fruitless unless you're working on your doctoral dissertation. Then by all means split the split of the split of the split of the hair. Barber school doctorate? Hari hari. Is Ron the Barber a professor there? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The news from Vedic City is that an undetermined number of pundits are coming in 10 days. There¹s some hold up because their arranging to bring their own cooks. -- That's right, blame it on the cook. No, the butler did it. In the pantry? Are you sure the VC pundit homes have pantries? (and put away those candle sticks for god's sake!) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, path gives folks something to do with themselves until that realization dawns. And it's probably better than fighting wars or whacking off. Yes (though one might argue that one can play with a path *and* play with oneself simultaneously)... Which brings up yet another deep philosophical question: if you're in UC and play with yourself, are you really playing with your Self? :-) Well, it gets even scarier. When Rory is playing with Himself, he is playing with you. There are several levels of meaning to the term 1000 Headed Purusha. The reason why many Indian goddesses have six arms is becoming clearer and clearer by the minute... and why there were so many gopis. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I am simply reading my lines. I didn't say My perfect-here-now resolution would look perfect-here-now, to You -- only to Me. You're responsible for your own perceptions of perfection, here, now, as You well know... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. he says in his best one-upmanship fashion. But then gets confused since there should be no up in Brahman. Sorry, but I still stand by my post. Make of it what you will; you are only reinforcing my point, just as I am sure I am reinforcing yours for you :-) I think your one-up-manship is perfect, because it is who you are, its your nature -- to see as far as you can see. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch interview
When you are inspired by some great purpose, some extraordinary project, all your thoughts break their bonds. Your mind transcends limitations, your consciousness expands in every direction, and you find yourself in a new, great and wonderful world. Dormant forces, faculties and talents become alive, and you discover yourself to be a greater person by far than you ever dreamed yourself to be. -- attributed to Maharishi Patanjali I think this expresses Maharishi's aproach to culturing those around him. He insprires them to dream and desire something so huge, so big it breaks all their own boundaries and makes their existing desires shrink away. Its not expanding ones ego as some claim. Its creating a desire or dream that is beyond them -- something for the world. Even if the project is not attainable, nor attained, the method is valid I believe. Though, there is a second level to it all: if a person opens a shop, it is only time before he is a millionaire -- he used to say. I think this refers to planting seeds of karma, and eventual, not necessarily in this life, they will come to fruition. So, he is killing two birds with one stone: break boundaries and dissolve (wilt) individual desire in his staff, while planting the seeds for (way) future oranizational attainments. While some will see this as justification for TMO bizzareness or rationalizing my own attatchments to the TMO, thats their hangup. I have resolved my time with the TMO, don't cling to it, don't need to rationalize it. The above is just an insight. Take it, or leave it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Designer Genes: celibacy as a genetically dumb idea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 28, 2005, at 9:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: So what's up with that? It would seem to me that logically nature would WANT these best and brightest folks to pass along their intelligence and admirable traits to future generations, rather than effectively depriving future generations of the genes that support that higher intelligence and more evolved traits. Go figure, eh? I know a good number of teachers, indeed whole communities of practitioners and realizers who marry. I've even seen genealogies which talk of various families in the Himalayas whose gene-pool is influenced by beings from other dimensions. But...but...but Dorje darling, I really *haven't* been unfaithful to you. Dorje Junior doesn't look like you because his genes come from another dimension, that's all. :-) Are you talking about that horse sacrafice again? I tell you, my great great grand mother was following a vedic ritual, really! Anyway, I'm hungry. Anyone got some good hay? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Designer Genes: celibacy as a genetically dumb idea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, true; how many here have other-dimensional ancestral lines? Virtually everyone, I bet. Acccounting for a lot of the Space-iness here, no doubt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think your one-up-manship is perfect, because it is who you are, its your nature -- to see as far as you can see. Cool, I can live with that :-) Thanks again! Very tasty with fava beans and a nice chianti. No need to lecter us on that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Where are they Now?
Found this -- a project by several old time TMers: Tinker Linday, TM teacher, was niece of former NY Mayor Lindasy (and presidential possibility in late 60s) and former wife of actor Ned Beatty. Peter Russell was a prominent lecturer, then went out on his own with many books, seminars, etc. http://becomingbuddha.com/index.html http://becomingbuddha.com/Awakebios.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: St. Germain? I didn't know he was so interested in 9/11. Saints are so curious with or without bodies. Oh, yeah, didn't you know? St. Germain is a channelled Ascended Master. That gives him the ability to assume the exact same interests, biases, personality and consciousness as the person channelling him :-) And of course the classic Jerry Jarvis line on channeling,Just because you're dead doesn't make you smart! I think it sums up the whole thing, doesn't it? And thus all chanellees are stupid? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think your one-up-manship is perfect, because it is who you are, its your nature -- to see as far as you can see. Cool, I can live with that :-) Thanks again! Very tasty with fava beans and a nice chianti. I don't know, you always struck me more as a talker than a liver. But as my grandfather from the old country used to say, doncha to me hana no bull. But that was after he fell and hit his head on the clear ice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are they Now?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Found this -- a project by several old time TMers: Tinker Linday, TM teacher, was niece of former NY Mayor Lindasy (and presidential possibility in late 60s) and former wife of actor Ned Beatty. Peter Russell was a prominent lecturer, then went out on his own with many books, seminars, etc. http://becomingbuddha.com/index.html http://becomingbuddha.com/Awakebios.html Cool. Since the question of Where are they now? and the film industry has been raised, does anyone know for sure if the Bill Borden who produced such films as La Bamba and Desperado and End Of Days and most recently, Gong Fu is the same Bill Borden who used to work at KSCI in L.A.? I've always assumed it was, but never knew for sure. Unc http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2758/StephenCho_Pimen_4247235_400.jpg You tell us. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0096115/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are they Now?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the question of Where are they now? and the film industry has been raised, does anyone know for sure if the Bill Borden who produced such films as La Bamba and Desperado and End Of Days and most recently, Gong Fu is the same Bill Borden who used to work at KSCI in L.A.? I've always assumed it was, but never knew for sure. http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2758/StephenCho_Pimen_4247235_400 .jpg You tell us. It's 25+ years later, but sure looks like it to me. Good for him. A lot of folks parlayed their work at that TV station into careers in the movie and TV industry. Thanks for finding the photo. Unc I always thought Bob Doane would end up a network anchor. Oh well. Which reminds me. Someone was asking about the Guru Dev film. Jim Nelson, who did the tape duplicating work at national (and worked at ksci ?) made a copy of the GD film for a friend of mine in mid 70s. If you can find Jim, you may have access to a high quality version of the film. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are they Now?
Robbie Krieger then http://www.robbykrieger.com/images/photos/4185.jpg now http://www.robbykrieger.com/lagolf.htm I initiated this guitarist in a local band who want to increase his creativity. He had good experiences. And several weeks later he wrote a song called Light My Fire. -- jerry Jarvis talking about Robbie Krieger of the Doors To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: St. Germain? I didn't know he was so interested in 9/11. Saints are so curious with or without bodies. Oh, yeah, didn't you know? St. Germain is a channelled Ascended Master. That gives him the ability to assume the exact same interests, biases, personality and consciousness as the person channelling him :-) And of course the classic Jerry Jarvis line on channeling,Just because you're dead doesn't make you smart! I think it sums up the whole thing, doesn't it? And thus all chanellees are stupid? No, that's your conclusion, not mine. ... Its odd that you turn a question into your conclusion. Internal biases? I hope you are more objective with your patients. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Animals self-medicate...go figure
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya - no brainer lets be like the Dutch. They're so happy that they have one of the highest suicide rates in the world, Actually, male suicide rates are higher in the US (and US has much higher male homicide rates). Female suicide rates about 1/4 of those of male in both countries, is slightly higher in the Netherlands relative to the US. Overall rates are higher in US. http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suiciderates/en/ and they're so productive that they have one of the lowest GNPs in the world Well, not really. 17th. And 7 or so of the countries above them are tiny -- So they are in top 10 of countries of size. About the same level as Canada. Higher than France, Germany, Spain, Austraila, Greece, Portugal, Singapore, Taiwan, italy, Greece, Korea ... http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/infopays/rank/PNBH2.html for their size mostly because their taxation rate is over 50% Corporate tax rate is 35%, about average, internationally. Lower than France and Germany. Marginal individual tax rates are 60%, high for my taste, but similar to France, Germany, Sweeden, etc. And remember thats the top marginal rate, which only applies to some upper level of income. Its NOT the average rate. Average rates are quite below 50% (your figure). Their marginal rate compares to US 35%, previously 39.5% marginal rate. But with state taxes that can be close to 45% now (50% a pre Bush). But Netherlands has no capital gains tax. And their social service levels are much higher, including health care. And so depending on mix of income to investments, taking indo account US state taxes, and health individually paid health costs, the total tax rates may not be much higher than in US. http://www.accf.org/publications/reports/sr-intcomparisoncap1998.html and about 1/3 of their population is on the dole. That would imply a 30+% unemployment rate. That certainly is not correct. Their red-light district is a world-famous haven for drugs of all kinds Actually, they are quite harsh on harder drugs. They made the policy decision to be lax on pot and strict on heroin etc. as well as prostitution Um well what would you expect in a red light district? Prosititution is rampant in the US too. Only its called Escort Services. At least in Amsterdam, the girls are all tested for diseases once a week, and their is no pimp abuse, or john abuse of working girls. And much less stigma to working in the worlds oldest profession. including child-prostitution per yor experience? So ya let's take a lesson frm the Dutch - good times! Yeah, they have some good things to teach us, per unc's stats. So Mark, you are the one who appears to be smoking pot, or is it just because your head is up your ass. :) - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 3:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animals self-medicate...go figure --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/25/05 7:54 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know, it would seem logical to legalize pot. But I have heard knowledgeale people on the front lines, with no obvious agenda except to effectively deal with the problem, make a convincing argument that it is a gateway drug. Maybe it is. But maybe it depends on your personality or level of maturity. I think I have or had an addictive personality. As a teenager, I progressed from alcohol to pot (so maybe alcohol is a gateway drug too) to LSD (which I still don't regret) to dabbling in heavier things - barbiturates, meth, heroin. Many kids I knew became junkies. But kids behave that way. Many college kids are binge drinkers. Kids experiment at that age. I know adults who may smoke a joint occasionally, but for them, it is clearly not a gateway to anything heavier. The bottom line in this debate probably belongs to the Dutch. In the Netherlands marijuana has been quasi- legal and freely available for over 30 years. So what are the statistics for marijuana use in the Netherlands? Less than 5% of the population have ever even bothered to try it. Compare and contrast to the US, where in some states simple possession can land you in jail for a mandatory ten years. Well over 50% of the population has tried it. Seems like a no-brainer to me... Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are they Now?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/28/05 11:57 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bob Doane would end up a network anchor. Oh well. Bob did much better than that. He became a multimillionaire oil broker, retired and did a lot of sailing for a while. Got bored with that and got interested in Chinese Medicine. Went to school and got a degree in it, as did his wife. Now practices it on Bainbridge Island near Seattle, where he lives with his wife and young kids. We had a nice chat not long ago. Which reminds me. Someone was asking about the Guru Dev film. Jim Nelson, who did the tape duplicating work at national (and worked at ksci ?) made a copy of the GD film for a friend of mine in mid 70s. If you can find Jim, you may have access to a high quality version of the film. Jim did even better. He made so much money he had his own private jet. Now lives in Las Vegas. I can get contact info for him if anybody wants it. How did jim make his $. Whats his bother Rick, former regional coordinator (shank) doing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: St. Germain? I didn't know he was so interested in 9/11. Saints are so curious with or without bodies. Oh, yeah, didn't you know? St. Germain is a channelled Ascended Master. That gives him the ability to assume the exact same interests, biases, personality and consciousness as the person channelling him :-) And of course the classic Jerry Jarvis line on channeling,Just because you're dead doesn't make you smart! I think it sums up the whole thing, doesn't it? And thus all chanellees are stupid? No, that's your conclusion, not mine. ... Its odd that you turn a question into your conclusion. Internal biases? I hope you are more objective with your patients. No, of course not. I consider them all to passive-aggressive assholes like you. You are painting such a sweet picture of yourself doc. Keep going. The cameras are rolling. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, of course not. I consider them all to passive-aggressive assholes like you. Excellent (and well-deserved) repartee, Dr. Pete. I bow and hand my One-Upsmanship crown to the better man :-) I thought it was the blind leading the blind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was the blind leading the blind. *yawn* An new state of consciousness? All is sleepy? Actually, I thought it germaine. A passive aggressive anger-flaming psychologist trying to cure patients of such and related maladies. Only in kali yuga do such charades occur. Though not as sad as con men claining enlightenment. Well thankfully sat yuga starts in another month or two. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bullbaiting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/28/05 4:37 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Authfriend and Unc have had this thing going for years now. Some of us on AMT have suggested getting a room, but they don't listen... I think they should marry. It would be so evolutionary for them. It would certainly bring our current incarnations to a close in short order. Very good! (Similiar to Unc humor, if you don't mind the comparison) lurk And the happy couple can gift register with Smith Wesson. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An new state of consciousness? All is sleepy? No; your anonymous persona bores me, obviously. Bored in Brahman, an intersting concept. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems this is all is just a lot senseless griping. All Dr. Pete said was And of course the classic Jerry Jarvis line on channeling,Just because you're dead doesn't make you smart! I think it sums up the whole thing, doesn't it? Which did not appear to imply in any way that 'disincarnates were NOT smart' but a humorous observation which points out the importance of discrimination in such matters. My question would be 'why did anon miss this and instead reply': And thus all chanellees are stupid? ? Well Vaj, perhaps I am the supid one (always willing to back down when my reasoning or facts are shown incorrect). I think Jerry's comment is wonderful. Very characcteristic of his gentle wit. To me, and my reaction may be tied to Peter's past style and tone, not just his words, I felt Peter's comment was twisting Jerry's comment, I think it sums up the whole thing, doesn't. My take on his comment was that 'well that settles it, you can't rely on ANY channeler'. I realize it was my interpretation of tone, not the words themselves, and in that I may have misteken his tone. While I am not a fan of channelers, I just felt such twisting was uncalled for. So I asked the neutral and somehat humerous extrapolation of his point, And thus all chanellees are stupid? ? My goal was to make him laugh and say, well no, I didn't really mean to imply that. Instead he comes back and calls me a passive aggressive asshole. Just like my patients! Wow! The paradox deepens. Here is a psychologist, whe presumably treats people for passive agressive and anger management disorders calling me an P-A asshole becasue I made a neutral statement in an attempt to have him see how his words may have overstated a case. So, not wishing to imflame things and react directly to his words, I tried to back away. I tried to get him to look at himself, how silly he was acting (IMO). I said, something to the effect, you are painting quite a picture of yourself -- trying to get him to look at himself and his words. I added, matter of factly, the cameras are rolling. That is, I was reminding him we are not talking on some deserted street, but in front of up to 900 listeners. And If he wants to cntinue to make a fool of himself, he should be made aware (reminded) of that. Because in his anger and impulsiveness, I felt this may not have been in the forfront of his mind.) So, if I could have handled this better Vaj, or others, let me know. I am always open to becoming more skillful in personal relattions -- in life and internet. From what I can see, the option is, when confronted with explosive anger and name calling, not even try to make neutral statements with an attempt to try to close out the convo quickly, and not try to offer simple statements to help the other see himself objectively. But just leave it, not respond at all. What do you think? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on England
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/29/05 3:19:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The truth of the matter is that flooding is coming but it has nothing whatever to do with the TMO in England or the Britisher scorpions. HEHEHEEHE lets not forget how low- lying Holland is, Hey, they will just move the Capitol to the highest point in Holland -- that grand Meru range, 40 foot tall isn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:24 AM, anonymousff wrote: To me, and my reaction may be tied to Peter's past style and tone, not just his words, I felt Peter's comment was twisting Jerry's comment, I think it sums up the whole thing, doesn't. My take on his comment was that 'well that settles it, you can't rely on ANY channeler'. I realize it was my interpretation of tone, not the words themselves, and in that I may have misteken his tone. While I am not a fan of channelers, I just felt such twisting was uncalled for. So I asked the neutral and somehat humerous extrapolation of his point, And thus all chanellees are stupid? ? My goal was to make him laugh and say, well no, I didn't really mean to imply that. I think he was just being his usual humorous, jovial and friendly self. Email's a dry communication medium. They say body communication is like 80+% of communication--take away body and voice inflection and there's very little left. So I place attention on that, being aware of that. Seems to help...some of the time : ) Thanks. I will keep that in mind. In my response to Peter, And thus all chanellees are stupid? ? I was just being my usual humorous, jovial and friendly self. But even if my comment's tone was misinterpreted, does that justify being called a passive aggressive asshole? Which response is over the top here? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anon, I think a more accurate description would just be an aggressive response in reaction to your post rather than a passive-aggressive psychologist. My response to you had nothing to do with me being a psychologist I had assumed a pshychologist walks his walk. Not just talks to patients about anger management and all. Sorry if the shoe didn't fit. and it certainly wasn't passive in its aggressiveness. It was rather straight-forward. I called you an asshole. And why did you do that? Because of my comment, And thus all Chanallees are stupid?. That was my humorous attempt to have you see the limitations(IMO) of your comment. You really seem to have a hair-thin triggger finger. A tendency towards sudden anger. Do you see this? Your cameras rolling comment is another example of your passive-aggressiveness. How so? I was trying to remind you that we were not talking alone, but infront of many people, though I felt in your anger, that may have not been forefront in your mind. But I also recognize that any discussion with you is pretty hopeless because you have never modified,backed-down or corrected any position you take. How so? I often modify my views based on new information. Its ironic. Three days ago you were lauding me for writing a post (on Gita passages) that made reading FFL worthwhile. Now apparently I am a incalitrant slob. Not the steadiest prajna I have come across. Also your anonymous posting gives you a false bravado. Why is that? How would you know what my normal level of bravado is? A majority of people on FFL post not in thier own name. Does that give all of them a false sense of bravado? Why don't you post in your own name? Are you concerned regarding the consequences of your posts or your name being known? Why? Are you on MUM faculty or administration? I'm not trying to attack you here, I'm just curious. Habit. Preference. And to me it cultivates and reinforces the the awareness of non-ownership of ideas. To me your name is as anonymous as any other. I don't know you. Its just a name. If you were signing off as Peter Pan, it would all be the same to me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Brahman is One without a second, how can it be said to have a POV? Having a POV implies the existence of a *different* POV, which would in turn imply something other than Brahman (a second) to hold that different POV. Logically sensible, but Brahman is not (only) logical. Neither are you. Ergo, Rory is Brahman, hahaha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, in response to your original question, I don't think all channelers are stupid. My opinion based on my own short experience with channeling (Teachings of the Inner Christ a la Susan Chumsky) is that it is something that was very, very unhealthy for me to participate in. It opened me up to all sorts of unpleasant subtle realms and very, very funky subtle beings. Other's have completely different, positive experiences with it. So my critque of channeling was being over-stated in an offhand way (i.e., ...doesn't that sum it all up... etc.) My personal opinion is that it is foolish to channel. That's all. And all I was trying to meekly point out is that while I am skeptical of all channelers, I hold that there may be a few channeleers out there who have some useful knowledge to convey. Not that I know who they are. Nor would I ever personally attempt to channel. ( Some on this list used to channel. Who knows what influence still lurks within them? But I digress.) Wow. We got to our points across in 5000 words and 20 posts or less, and didn't even have to resort to guns or insulting each others' woman folks to settle this. Dang, this must be close to Sat Yuga. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Coming Soon - Revelations of 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's interesting (to me, anyway) is that the mind is perfectly capable of recognizing the logic that puts Brahman beyond its capacity to recognize, but cannot, of its own accord, take it the next step and shut the hell up. Or mine can't, anyway... GOD I love you, Judy :-) :-) :-) Kiss-kiss. ;-) Barry is secretly getting very very jealous! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
