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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How you know Sal didn't dummy up the numbers for his horoscope? As little as he thinks of astrology, I wouldn't be surprised. No, that was my real birthchart and Bhairitu worked out the rest. I would have been interested if anyone had a go at making any predictions and we could have seen what connection (if any) it had to my actual life at the moment. I'd be honest if it all came out 100% accurate. But could probably come up with a convincing psychological explanation as to why it had ;-) From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... You're my nephew's age. I surmised an age for you given when you were at MUM. Salyavin supposed provided his horoscope from which one can figure the date of birth almost down to the time. I never looked at physical age so much as mental age. It's sort of like you can have a room full of people of different age groups but same mindset. On 11/29/2014 12:06 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? Ha ha! Good one Sal!! I'm 58 now meself. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). Yes, and I must say you lot aren't being a very good influence. How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. I think it's been quite civil actually, just a few resignations in protest and a few lawsuit threats. Could have been a lot worse. I blame all the spiritual detachment we have. But anyway the place also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D Remember, it's entirely your decision whether you are inside or outside the asylum! On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, if I apologize, what's included is an intention to avoid doing the hurtful behavior in the future. Heck we all do awful stuff sometimes. I think it's a valid part of relating to others that we acknowledge our part in their upset and then soldier on. Yes, the operative word here is IF. Trouble is these days a lot of people think that because they are offended by something it automatically follows that someone has done something wrong and should apologise. It seems like simply being offended gives them the right to control other's opinions. Beats me. Worse, in this Age of New Age Narcissism, they feel that they have the right to inflict *their* opinions on others. In the most recent case here on Fairfield Life, my choice of words pushed the buttons of a few cultists so badly that they began to imagine things about me that aren't true. This is nothing new, but then -- probably because they're so USED to taking their own fantasies seriously and treating them as Truth Incarnate -- they started to act those fantasies out on this forum and accuse me of things. The things that they have brainwashed themselves to believe about me aren't true, but they are volatile enough that if I had allowed them to go unresponded-to, the resulting libel and defamation could potentially have a negative impact on my family. Fortunately for me (and unfortunately for the two people who have chosen to defame me), one of our close family friends here in the Netherlands IS a cop, and furthermore one who works in the anti-cyberterrorism group. We know him from a local Meetup discussion group, of which we've all been members for some time. So yesterday I explained the situation to him and, to my surprise, his first question to me was, By any chance, are these people who are trying to insinuate that you are a child molestor members of a religious cult? Somewhat taken aback, I said Yes, and then he explained that the reason he asked is that this (using the Internet to attempt to brand someone as a sex criminal, especially in regard to children) was a favorite tactic used by cults they are tracking in the Netherlands (especially $cientology, but also some extreme Christian cults). He advised me to take this action by Nabby and Jim Flanegin more seriously, and walked me through the steps of doing so. Here in the Netherlands, it's a two-step process. First I notify the proper division of the police about the cyberstalking, giving them the email addresses of the stalkers and forwarding to them examples of all defamatory posts or emails they have sent. This officially puts them on a Watch List, and causes Interpol and other agencies to flag any traffic coming from these addresses for further scrutiny. This has been done. If they wise up and drop this stupidity, I will never need to take it to step two, which is the filing of actual criminal charges. Note that the words criminal charges are exact in this situation -- my friend made it very clear that here in the Netherlands what they are doing is not a mere civil offense but a crime. But the saddest part from my point of view is that neither of these guys is going to ever feel as if they did anything wrong. THEY were the ones taking the two words I posted *referring to their spiritual teacher* and turning them in their heads into some kind of psychological diagnosis of me. THEY were the ones committing defamation and libel -- as pointed out earlier, I never once suggested that Maharishi or anyone else *really* was into fucking babies. THEY made that up, and about me. My friend the cop -- having seen my original post and their followups -- tells me that if either of them persists in this folly, my case against them will be a slam-dunk and he could put them in prison. But isn't it amazing that they felt that they had the *right* to do this in the first place? As Salyavin and others have pointed out (and my friend the cop suggested as well), this syndrome of professional outrage they wear like a badge of honor is quite possibly a form of mental illness. Their outrage does NOT give them the right to act out the fantasies my words inspire in them and harm others. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd limit his participation. I don't know who wrote the above but it's a familiar part of modern life that makes me scratch my head. Seems like every day some celebrity/sports star/politician says some generally inconsequential thing and immediately faces endless calls to apologise from the massed ranks of the professionally offended. Usually via
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From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Salyavin,
I do not think I have heard before the phrase 'professionally offended', what a
wonderful concept. I know people like this, where every other sentence is a
complaint about this or that in their lives, almost invariably what someone
else said or did. I tend to distinguish between real physical pain caused by
what people do, and mental pain caused by a person's conditioning. One can have
both compassion and empathy for the former, and up to a point compassion for
the latter, but self-inflicted mental pain gets no empathy from me;
Well said. That's it exactly.
I have had enough of my own in that department, and it was all on me, not
someone else; it's something a person can do something about to correct unless
they are totally incapable of listening and evaluating what other people say,
in which case they are logically a lost cause, and one must let them remain in
hell.
As for Share's comment, if you do something that is wilfully malicious directed
at a person, apologies are in order if the other person has a real innocence
about them, which is usually not the case here on FFL where at least somewhere
in our lives we have been well seasoned ass-holes ourselves, and the case that
came up today was certainly in the latter category. If a person is 50 years old
and still a professional complainer, then they sure as hell have not been
living on Earth all this time, but living in some isolated mental fantasy world.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Salyavin, if I apologize, what's included is an intention to avoid doing the
hurtful behavior in the future. Heck we all do awful stuff sometimes. I think
it's a valid part of relating to others that we acknowledge our part in their
upset and then soldier on.
Yes, the operative word here is IF. Trouble is these days a lot of people think
that because they are offended by something it automatically follows that
someone has done something wrong and should apologise. It seems like simply
being offended gives them the right to control other's opinions. Beats me.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very
strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd
limit his participation.
I don't know who wrote the above but it's a familiar part of modern life that
makes me scratch my head.
Seems like every day some celebrity/sports star/politician says some generally
inconsequential thing and immediately faces endless calls to apologise from the
massed ranks of the professionally offended. Usually via Twitter.
I don't know why they bother, because what good is an insincere apology? But
it's not really about that, what it's about is control and humiliation.
Everyone who complains knows that the apology is worth nothing and that people
don't really see the error of their ways and swiftly adopt the morals of the
herd, but if they can get someone to say what they want them to say it makes
them happy because their will has been bent and it acts as a warning to others.
Conform or we'll nag you endlessly. Is this the Internet as the great leveller,
or a growing inability of people to accept that not everyone sees the world the
same way they do?
I knew this girl who was a right arrogant bitch, whenever I complained about
her behaviour she'd just say I'm sorry you're offended by what I said which
is marvellous because it put all the blame on me for her attitude problem. And
she never understood why that drove me crazy, no empathy you see. I wonder what
that's like? But all I know is she wouldn't even think to wonder.
But if I ever annoy the world and the Twitteratti come banging on my cyber door
for an apology that's what I'd say and see if any of the dumb fucks notice
they've just been insulted further.
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salyavin, I guess apologies can have different contexts. For me they are about
healing. But I can see how they could be seen as part of a power struggle. And
the thing is, even though we don't cause the emotions of others, we do
contribute to them. Good distinction to make if we want to relate to people in
an ongoing way.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Salyavin, if I apologize, what's included is an intention to avoid doing the
hurtful behavior in the future. Heck we all do awful stuff sometimes. I think
it's a valid part of relating to others that we acknowledge our part in their
upset and then soldier on.
Yes, the operative word here is IF. Trouble is these days a lot of people think
that because they are offended by something it automatically follows that
someone has done something wrong and should apologise. It seems like simply
being offended gives them the right to control other's opinions. Beats me.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very
strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd
limit his participation.
I don't know who wrote the above but it's a familiar part of modern life that
makes me scratch my head.
Seems like every day some celebrity/sports star/politician says some generally
inconsequential thing and immediately faces endless calls to apologise from the
massed ranks of the professionally offended. Usually via Twitter.
I don't know why they bother, because what good is an insincere apology? But
it's not really about that, what it's about is control and humiliation.
Everyone who complains knows that the apology is worth nothing and that people
don't really see the error of their ways and swiftly adopt the morals of the
herd, but if they can get someone to say what they want them to say it makes
them happy because their will has been bent and it acts as a warning to others.
Conform or we'll nag you endlessly. Is this the Internet as the great leveller,
or a growing inability of people to accept that not everyone sees the world the
same way they do?
I knew this girl who was a right arrogant bitch, whenever I complained about
her behaviour she'd just say I'm sorry you're offended by what I said which
is marvellous because it put all the blame on me for her attitude problem. And
she never understood why that drove me crazy, no empathy you see. I wonder what
that's like? But all I know is she wouldn't even think to wonder.
But if I ever annoy the world and the Twitteratti come banging on my cyber door
for an apology that's what I'd say and see if any of the dumb fucks notice
they've just been insulted further.
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I think your comments have had the intended effect. Nabby deleted his most recent message (although it remains in the Archives in all its glory). Now that he has done that, I am curious what sort of rejoinder he will or will not post. His best option, remaining on the forum, would be to divert to other subjects, as you suggested. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Nablus, I suggest that you drop this, because YOUR name, email address, and posting history here on the Fairfield Life group are now in the possession of the Dutch police. I tried to warn you earlier that this country takes a very hard line with people who attempt to harm others' reputations through malicious slander and cyberstalking, but obviously you weren't listening. You should listen now, because if you persist I will have no choice but to file formal criminal charges against you. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... Who knows how many have unsubscribed. Rick Archer has not yet had the balls to booth the butt-fucking-babies member. Meanwhile we'll se what the Leiden Police choose to do as searching his computers for child porn is too late, he had all Thursday night to get rid of everything. Have the child he is looking after taken in for a medical examination perhaps.
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I certainly hope so. Going too far has one meaning when considered morally, but quite another when considered legally. Legally, they went WAY over the line. If they drop it, I will. On Nov 29, 2014, at 15:13, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I think your comments have had the intended effect. Nabby deleted his most recent message (although it remains in the Archives in all its glory). Now that he has done that, I am curious what sort of rejoinder he will or will not post. His best option, remaining on the forum, would be to divert to other subjects, as you suggested. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Nablus, I suggest that you drop this, because YOUR name, email address, and posting history here on the Fairfield Life group are now in the possession of the Dutch police. I tried to warn you earlier that this country takes a very hard line with people who attempt to harm others' reputations through malicious slander and cyberstalking, but obviously you weren't listening. You should listen now, because if you persist I will have no choice but to file formal criminal charges against you. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... Who knows how many have unsubscribed. Rick Archer has not yet had the balls to booth the butt-fucking-babies member. Meanwhile we'll se what the Leiden Police choose to do as searching his computers for child porn is too late, he had all Thursday night to get rid of everything. Have the child he is looking after taken in for a medical examination perhaps.
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On 11/29/2014 8:13 AM, anartaxius wrote: I think your comments have had the intended effect. Nabby deleted his most recent message (although it remains in the Archives in all its glory). Now that he has done that, I am curious what sort of rejoinder he will or will not post. His best option, remaining on the forum, would be to divert to other subjects, as you suggested. /It's been my experience that threats of this nature are just so much bluffing. Obviously if anyone was going to report someone to the police they wouldn't post that information here because that would alert the other party and eliminate the element of surprise. It's probably best when posting to public forums to just keep your big pie holes shut with the porn talk. Anyone who fails to do this and persists would obviously be in need of some kind of counseling. I'd suggest snipping if this subject needs any further discussion. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *Nablus, I suggest that you drop this, because YOUR name, email address, and posting history here on the Fairfield Life group are now in the possession of the Dutch police. I tried to warn you earlier that this country takes a very hard line with people who attempt to harm others' reputations through malicious slander and cyberstalking, but obviously you weren't listening. You should listen now, because if you persist I will have no choice but to file formal criminal charges against you. * *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... Who knows how many have unsubscribed. Rick Archer has not yet had the balls to booth the butt-fucking-babies member. Meanwhile we'll se what the Leiden Police choose to do as searching his computers for child porn is too late, he had all Thursday night to get rid of everything. Have the child he is looking after taken in for a medical examination perhaps.
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All schools in the Dutch city of Leiden closed on Monday amid police concerns that an internet troll had been stalking an alleged child molester suspected of abusing babies. Police are investigating the accusation of child molestation and have responded by advising all schools to stay closed for the day. Leiden Mayor Henri Lenferink told Dutch broadcaster NOS: “It could just be a morbid joke but we don’t want to take any risk.” The police have issued warrants for the arrest of both the stalker and the pervert. Due to crowded jail conditions, it is likely they will share a bunk in the slammer until they can post bail. Dutch schools closed in Leiden over online mass shooting threats | BelleNews.com http://www.bellenews.com/2013/04/22/world/europe-news/leiden-schools-closed-over-online-mass-shooting-threats-in-the-netherlands/ http://www.bellenews.com/2013/04/22/world/europe-news/leiden-schools-closed-over-online-mass-shooting-threats-in-the-netherlands/ Dutch schools closed in Leiden over online mass s... http://www.bellenews.com/2013/04/22/world/europe-news/leiden-schools-closed-over-online-mass-shooting-threats-in-the-netherlands/ Home Breaking News Dutch schools closed in Leiden over online mass shooting threats Dutch schools closed in Leiden over online mass shooting threa... View on www.bellenews.com http://www.bellenews.com/2013/04/22/world/europe-news/leiden-schools-closed-over-online-mass-shooting-threats-in-the-netherlands/ Preview by Yahoo
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You have now officially been added to Interpol's Watch List, Raunchy.
Congratulations.
From: raunchy...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:03 PM
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All schools in the Dutch city of Leiden closed on Monday amid police
concerns that an internet troll had been stalking an alleged child molester
suspected of abusing babies. Police are investigating the accusation of child
molestation and have responded by advising all schools to stay closed for the
day.
Leiden Mayor Henri Lenferink told Dutch broadcaster NOS: “It could just be a
morbid joke but we don’t want to take any risk.”
The police have issued warrants for the arrest of both the stalker and the
pervert. Due to crowded jail conditions, it is likely they will share a bunk in
the slammer until they can post bail.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission. Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the changes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment
about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy
it for themselves...Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report.
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I
had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios
about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's
teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am
happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously
claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not
believe it will last any more than his participation on then other
enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong.
I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird
and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and
what those guys were up to.
FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential
posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but
was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine
in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her
most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times
because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led
that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird
and unpleasant, but worst of all boring.
I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report
on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost
800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old
days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a
skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind
(overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of
entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting
here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It
has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas
against me here. It was the ticket for admission.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. Sorry to draw you back into it, but as you -- more than most people here -- understand, this affected me and people I love and care about legally. You may be used to this level of ickiness by now, but I wasn't. I responded to it by feeling the need to remind these people that I'd have NO PROBLEM putting them in a Dutch prison for several years. The fascinating thing is that for both of them, I suspect that a Dutch prison might be a step up in terms of the accomodations and lifestyle they've been used to. :-) I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. Thanks for your input. I'm trying to be somewhat honest here by admitting that I was downright *trying* to push these assholes' buttons by choosing the language I did when talking about their guru. But I chose that language -- as unpleasant as it may have seemed to many people's ears -- with accuracy and with The Law firmly in mind. In their responses to what I posted, they did not make similar choices. Legally, that means I am on safe ground and they are...how do they say it in your country?...fucked.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission. Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the changes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Geez, Barry. I thought you were joking about abusing babies just to push buttons of imaginary cult members the same as I am pushing your buttons about being a pervert. Abusing babies...wow! That was a real knee slapper, still ROTFLMAO. Pleeezze...call off the cops and I’ll never to make fun of you being a harmless little bunny again. Holy Grail - Killer Bunny http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg Holy Grail - Killer Bunny http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg A clip from Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail' Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUV7kZQcBofeature=watch_response View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
I think you can appreciate the distinction between making a provocative comment a dead public figure and an actual living person who could be hurt in their real life by such accusations right? One of Barry's points here is that people are inordinately attached to certain ideas, like the sacred divinity of Maharishi, who is now dead. (some at tomorrows meetings seem to disagree on this point, but do agree that he is in another world now) Your appreciation of Monty Python's poking a finger in the eye of Christianity makes me hopeful that you understand the value and use of satire against ideas, no matter how enthusiastically held. Switching from that to a personal accusation which can so easily be misconstrued on a public forum is a big jump. I suspect you can distinguish this kind of insult from the myriad of others which would not bring this kind of response. That distinction was why it was chosen wasn't it? It really isn't a subtle line or an unreasonable one to insist not be crossed on a public forum because you disagree with a person's perspective on ideas you hold dear. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : Geez, Barry. I thought you were joking about abusing babies just to push buttons of imaginary cult members the same as I am pushing your buttons about being a pervert. Abusing babies...wow! That was a real knee slapper, still ROTFLMAO. Pleeezze...call off the cops and I’ll never to make fun of you being a harmless little bunny again. Holy Grail - Killer Bunny http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg Holy Grail - Killer Bunny http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg A clip from Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail' Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUV7kZQcBofeature=watch_response View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. But anyway the places also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission. Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the changes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. C: I didn't get if from Judy or her dad. We all got it from someplace else, it is a common saying. The skeptics use it a lot which is most likely my source. James Randi used it a lot. N: What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. But anyway the places also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D C: I think it has worked pretty well as an unmoderated discussion group with a few exceptions. I can only think of a few times when it seemed to go over what I consider a reasonable line. I don't mind if someone calls me names here about being stupid or unevolved because of my perspective. I consider all of that a version of poopy pants and believe it weakens their argument against my points. It says this is all I got. So if a moderator jumped in on that kind of personal attack it would take away what i consider to be evidence of my points not being refuted by reason. That works for me. On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission. Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the changes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). Yes, and I must say you lot aren't being a very good influence. How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. I think it's been quite civil actually, just a few resignations in protest and a few lawsuit threats. Could have been a lot worse. I blame all the spiritual detachment we have. But anyway the place also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D Remember, it's entirely your decision whether you are inside or outside the asylum! On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission. Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the changes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Curtis, do you really believe people are offended by Barry's button pushing because his target is Maharishi? Baby abuse in just an escalation of his usual button pushing MO, the image of which would offend the sensibilities of any normal human being irrespective of their affiliation with Maharishi. Yes, I do see the difference between a personal accusation and satire, do you? Anyone reading my posts would have to be an idiot not to get the satire of my posts making fun of Barry. BTW In response to Barry's faux victim outrage, I'm waiting for the Dutch police to come clattering after me in their wooden shoes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission. OMG, I had completely forgotten about the event tomorrow. I am so looking forward to your take on proceedings Curtis. I think when I checked it was happening in the middle of the night for us Brits but I hope I get to see or read both the Reesh's message to mankind and your analysis. Such fun! Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the changes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
On 11/29/2014 11:34 AM, raunchydog wrote: Geez, Barry.I thought you were joking about abusing babies just to push buttons of imaginary cult members the same as I am pushing your buttons about being a pervert.Abusing babies...wow!That was a real knee slapper, still ROTFLMAO.Pleeezze...call off the cops and I’ll never to make fun of you being a harmless little bunny again. Either Barry Wright is the biggest liar on the planet or Interpol is now watching Rick Archer and everyone else on this forum. Talk about a thought-stopper! Holy Grail - Killer Bunny http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg image http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg Holy Grail - Killer Bunny http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg A clip from Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail' Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUV7kZQcBofeature=watch_response View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : Curtis, do you really believe people are offended by Barry's button pushing because his target is Maharishi? C: I think that is at the heart of it. I say this because I often get personal insult responses to things I write here that are purely a critique of Maharishi and his teaching. Now if you are making a point that Barry also includes a bit of critique on the people who hold those beliefs, and that offends them I would go along with that. It wasn't about the babies on either side, that much I am clear about. R: Baby abuse in just an escalation of his usual button pushing MO, the image of which would offend the sensibilities of any normal human being irrespective of their affiliation with Maharishi. C: No babies were harmed in the posting. It was not suggested that babies should be harmed. It was a gross line but nothing that someone who watches South Park would be too alarmed at in the way it was being used. No need to clutch pearls. (tip of the hat to you.) R:Yes, I do see the difference between a personal accusation and satire, do you? C: I believe I was pointing that out myself, so yes. Even satire on dead public figures and living persons have different rules of engagement, or should IMO. R:Anyone reading my posts would have to be an idiot not to get the satire of my posts making fun of Barry. R: So you are making a case that people reading internet posts cannot be idiots? I'm sure you really do get the distinction I was making. As an isolated post it might have not taken on the Maharishi effect it achieved on top of more direct accusations. I do think you are a funny person Raunchy and I get your intent I think. R: BTW In response to Barry's faux victim outrage, C: Having been the target of a similar routine I am less inclined to see it as faux outrage. There is something really unsettling about seeing the intent of your words twisted into this accusation. You realize that someone wants to actually hurt your fer real real. R: I'm waiting for the Dutch police to come clattering after me in their wooden shoes. C: I am a fan of your clever humor Rauchy. Always have been.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : OMG, I had completely forgotten about the event tomorrow. I am so looking forward to your take on proceedings Curtis. I think when I checked it was happening in the middle of the night for us Brits but I hope I get to see or read both the Reesh's message to mankind and your analysis. Such fun! C: They intend to broadcast it and leave it up so I am hoping my analysis will not be the only one posted. My problem will be which direction to take it in, complete farce, or serious epistemological writing prompt. I am predicting a little of both because both are so ripe! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission. OMG, I had completely forgotten about the event tomorrow. I am so looking forward to your take on proceedings Curtis. I think when I checked it was happening in the middle of the night for us Brits but I hope I get to see or read both the Reesh's message to mankind and your analysis. Such fun! Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the changes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Richard, ha! If Interpol is watching FFL, they better dang well be watching our
beloved Lurking Reporters too!
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
On 11/29/2014 11:34 AM, raunchydog wrote:
Geez, Barry. I thought you were joking about abusing babies just to
push buttons of imaginary cult members the same as I am pushing your buttons
about being a pervert. Abusing babies...wow! That was a real knee slapper,
still ROTFLMAO. Pleeezze...call off the cops and I’ll never to make fun of you
being a harmless little bunny again.
Either Barry Wright is the biggest liar on the planet or Interpol is now
watching Rick Archer and everyone else on this forum. Talk about a
thought-stopper!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
I was going to particpate on the Hammond deal, but I may choose to spend that
time with my daughter. As to Jimmie's new group - I'll pass - it will only work
if people there love to watch someone babble about their own enlightenment and
see that it's a fabrication.
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I
had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios
about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's
teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am
happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously
claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not
believe it will last any more than his participation on then other
enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong.
I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird
and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and
what those guys were up to.
FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential
posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but
was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine
in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her
most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times
because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led
that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird
and unpleasant, but worst of all boring.
I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report
on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost
800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old
days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a
skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind
(overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of
entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting
here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It
has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas
against me here. It was the ticket for admission.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Now that is something I can't understand - how former TM teachers could be
afraid of reprisals of some kind for saying stuff about Marshy or the TMO.
Why? How? I mean look at how inept the Movement has been in suing ACTIVE former
TM teachers such as the folks in the UK Chris Greathead and Colin Beckley who
founded the Meditation Trust and Transcendental Meditation Independent.
So what does a non teaching former TM teacher have to fear from the popinjays
of the Movement? Unless you might want to get on a course now and again - then
I can see it.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to
her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic.
What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are
approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a
generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ).
It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually
moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for
all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want
(having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy
recommended it.
But anyway the places also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin
which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D
On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall
out!
Glad it made you laugh.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment
about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy
it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report.
From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here
I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will
scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about
Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting
here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while
hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil
here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then
other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong.
I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a
weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here
and what those guys were up to.
FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential
posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but
was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her
routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing
with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many
times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she
led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got
weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring.
I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report
on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost
800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old
days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a
skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind
(overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of
entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be
posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and
writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with
unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission.
Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the
changes.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with
the type of role models we've got here?
Ha ha! Good one Sal!! I'm 58 now meself.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
It was Judy who brought that phraseabout being open minded, attributed to her
dad, after I accusedher of being close minded on a topic.
What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Someof us are
approaching our 70s and some are already there. And wehave some that are a
generation younger (apparently Salyavin andMJ).
Yes, and I must say you lot aren't being a very good influence. How are
innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type
of role models we've got here?
It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually
moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothinglike a free for all
either. Some of us like to keep ouranonymity because we don't want (having
been TM teachers)unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it.
I think it's been quite civil actually, just a few resignations in protest and
a few lawsuit threats. Could have been a lot worse. I blame all the spiritual
detachment we have.
But anyway the place also has to keep up it's appearances as aloony bin which
doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D
Remember, it's entirely your decision whether you are inside or outside the
asylum!
On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]wrote:
I am just trying to keep from being so open minded thatmy brains fall out!
Glad it made you laugh.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote :
Curtis,I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughingwas your comment about
what is overrated at thisstage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy itfor
themselves...Have fun tomorrow and I look forward toyour report.
From:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM
Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
I'vewatched this will some alarm becauselast time I was posting here I hadto
try to back down Jim and Nabbyfrom creating fantasy ill-willscenarios about my
personal life inresponse to me posting my opinionsabout Maharishi's teaching.
It wasan escalation of their MO since Ibegan posting here. I am happy tosee it
resolved with Jim creatinghis own page while hilariouslyclaiming that it was
because OTHERpeople were not being civil here! Ido not believe it will last any
morethan his participation on then otherenlightened forum, but hope to
beproven wrong.
I think you were right to go thelegal route because they werecrossing a weird
and disturbing lineBarry. There is no parity betweenhow you post here and what
thoseguys were up to.
FFL has gone through many differentincarnations as strongly influentialposters
come and go. I viewed theend of the Judy era as a positivething, but was
disturbed to see howothers escalated to fill the gap.Judy ran her routine in a
much moreinteresting way IMO, so despitestrongly dissagreing with her mostof
the time, I was entertained andprompted to write more many timesbecause of her
participation. Thatdegraded in the era of the cliqueshe led that involved the
Sharebashing era in the girl's lockerroom. Shit got weird and unpleasant,but
worst of all boring.
I don't know where FFL is headed nowbut I am an optimist. I intend toreport on
my experiences tomorrow atthe event in Alexandria. Last Ichecked almost 800
people hadreserved a seat. I had some contactwith people from the old days
whowere kind enough to share theirperspective. Although I remain askeptic and
am not really going withanything close to an open mind(overrated at this
stage of my lifeI believe) I will go for the manylayers of entertainment. One
of thegreatest aspects of theentertainment will be posting hereabout it. FFL
has been a greatresource for my thinking andwriting. It has been so useful
thatI have put up with some people withunfriendly agendas against me here.It
was the ticket for admission.
Sorry to see things spiral out sofar here but I am encouraged to seethe
changes.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
On 11/29/2014 12:00 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. /There's no reason I would be concerned about any reprisals from the TMO, but just the same I was kind of surprised when Barry outed my real name on a.m.t - for no apparent reason at all. I just chalked it up to a personal bias of his based on my birth circumstances. It was only later that I realized that he was from Texas too and that he had a clear case of cognitive dissonance. So, I've come to expect very little justice and real honesty from any of the respondents on these forums posting anonymously. Hiding behind an alias and posting prejudiced statements seems to be par for the course, yourself included./ / That's just the way some people are I guess - they can't or won't take ownership of their own words. Go figure./ But anyway the places also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission. Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the changes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? Ha ha! Good one Sal!! I'm 58 now meself. I'd better tell my Mum I've fallen in with a bad crowd... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). Yes, and I must say you lot aren't being a very good influence. How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. I think it's been quite civil actually, just a few resignations in protest and a few lawsuit threats. Could have been a lot worse. I blame all the spiritual detachment we have. But anyway the place also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D Remember, it's entirely your decision whether you are inside or outside the asylum! On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission. Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the changes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
On 11/29/2014 1:07 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : Curtis, do you really believe people are offended by Barry's button pushing because his target is Maharishi? C: I think that is at the heart of it. I say this because I often get personal insult responses to things I write here that are purely a critique of Maharishi and his teaching. Now if you are making a point that Barry also includes a bit of critique on the people who hold those beliefs, and that offends them I would go along with that. It wasn't about the babies on either side, that much I am clear about. R: Baby abuse in just an escalation of his usual button pushing MO, the image of which would offend the sensibilities of any normal human being irrespective of their affiliation with Maharishi. C: No babies were harmed in the posting. It was not suggested that babies should be harmed. It was a gross line but nothing that someone who watches South Park would be too alarmed at in the way it was being used. No need to clutch pearls. (tip of the hat to you.) R:Yes, I do see the difference between a personal accusation and satire, do you? C: I believe I was pointing that out myself, so yes. Even satire on dead public figures and living persons have different rules of engagement, or should IMO. So, what are the rules Curtis, and who gets to set them, quoting Barry. There does seem to be some forked tongues around here today. Just for the record, I've never harmed a baby and only once have I ever fucked over a rodent. And that was because it tried to hide in my attic and have babies, so I caught it in a trap; threw it out of the window onto the driveway - and then I ran over it with my car. But, I didn't call the police. / //Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time// //doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately.../ Subject: Open Letter To Willytex From: Uncle Tantra Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST R:Anyone reading my posts would have to be an idiot not to get the satire of my posts making fun of Barry. R: So you are making a case that people reading internet posts cannot be idiots? I'm sure you really do get the distinction I was making. As an isolated post it might have not taken on the Maharishi effect it achieved on top of more direct accusations. I do think you are a funny person Raunchy and I get your intent I think. R: BTW In response to Barry's faux victim outrage, C: Having been the target of a similar routine I am less inclined to see it as faux outrage. There is something really unsettling about seeing the intent of your words twisted into this accusation. You realize that someone wants to actually hurt your fer real real. R: I'm waiting for the Dutch police to come clattering after me in their wooden shoes. C: I am a fan of your clever humor Rauchy. Always have been.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
On 11/29/2014 1:27 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, ha! If Interpol is watching FFL, they better dang well be watching our beloved Lurking Reporters too! /This has got to be the clearest instance of cognitive dissonance I've ever read on social media!/ / Everyone already knows Barry doesn't have a baby named Maya. //O///ne of the first rules of online social dialog is to NEVER reveal anything about your own family relations without their knowledge or permission. (Rita is not my wife's real name - I only use that for satirical purposes, but she is really gorgeous). ///It wasn't a joke, Share, when Barry posted that he was reporting directly to a lurking reporter at his favorite cafe. Now we know who and what the reporter really was - the local police. The real question is how much is he getting paid? ///The real question is, why would Barry want to bring down Rick Archer?/ Obviously this whole episode was a false flag planted by an anti-cult informant in order to provoke some poor TMers into saying something in response. Only an expert with decades of practice on social media could pull off this kind of hoax - he even managed to hypnotize a few otherwise reasonable members of the forum to believe he was genuinely offended by his very own statements. Go figure. Apparently Barry will do almost anything to get back at his fantasy enemies, up to and including posting inflammatory messages to test his skills at provocation and then claiming to fink on them to Interpol.It's a trick he obviously learned due to his close ties with military intelligence.//Not for nothing did he hang around U.S. Air Force bases most of his adolescent life. Where is Judy when we really need her? For Gawd's sake Judy - please help us before we all get arrested and Barry gets deported back to the U.S.!!!/ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... On 11/29/2014 11:34 AM, raunchydog wrote: Geez, Barry.I thought you were joking about abusing babies just to push buttons of imaginary cult members the same as I am pushing your buttons about being a pervert.Abusing babies...wow!That was a real knee slapper, still ROTFLMAO.Pleeezze...call off the cops and I’ll never to make fun of you being a harmless little bunny again. Either Barry Wright is the biggest liar on the planet or Interpol is now watching Rick Archer and everyone else on this forum. Talk about a thought-stopper! Holy Grail - Killer Bunny http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg image http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg Holy Grail - Killer Bunny http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg A clip from Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail' Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUV7kZQcBofeature=watch_response View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
On 11/29/2014 10:14 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. C: I didn't get if from Judy or her dad. We all got it from someplace else, it is a common saying. The skeptics use it a lot which is most likely my source. James Randi used it a lot. Judy said her dad used to say it and yeah probably a lot of people used it. But I run into people who just mentally close up before you can get your full argument out. N: What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. But anyway the places also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D C: I think it has worked pretty well as an unmoderated discussion group with a few exceptions. I can only think of a few times when it seemed to go over what I consider a reasonable line. I don't mind if someone calls me names here about being stupid or unevolved because of my perspective. I consider all of that a version of poopy pants and believe it weakens their argument against my points. It says this is all I got. So if a moderator jumped in on that kind of personal attack it would take away what i consider to be evidence of my points not being refuted by reason. That works for me. I was always opposed to posting limits and only wrote the counter software since people were having a hard time keeping track of posts. Most moderators would have given time outs to people graffitizing the group. People will do that still on some of the newsgroups but the Thunderbird newsreader probably the option to just ignore thread and you never see the rest of their posts again (they're usually the only ones replying to it anyway). On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
On 11/29/2014 1:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: I was going to particpate on the Hammond deal, but I may choose to spend that time with my daughter. As to Jimmie's new group - I'll pass - it will only work if people there love to watch someone babble about their own enlightenment and see that it's a fabrication. /Will you please stop posting this bullshit - we know you don't have a daughter to spend time with, and we already know you are lurking on Jim's new forum so you can report back here and to John Knapp on TM-Free. Do you think we are that dumb?/ *From:* curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 11:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many layers of entertainment. One of the greatest aspects of the entertainment will be posting here about it. FFL has been a great resource for my thinking and writing. It has been so useful that I have put up with some people with unfriendly agendas against me here. It was the ticket for admission. Sorry to see things spiral out so far here but I am encouraged to see the changes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
You're my nephew's age. I surmised an age for you given when you were at MUM. Salyavin supposed provided his horoscope from which one can figure the date of birth almost down to the time. I never looked at physical age so much as mental age. It's sort of like you can have a room full of people of different age groups but same mindset. On 11/29/2014 12:06 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? Ha ha! Good one Sal!! I'm 58 now meself. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:43 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). Yes, and I must say you lot aren't being a very good influence. How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. I think it's been quite civil actually, just a few resignations in protest and a few lawsuit threats. Could have been a lot worse. I blame all the spiritual detachment we have. But anyway the place also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D Remember, it's entirely your decision whether you are inside or outside the asylum! On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated
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On 11/29/2014 2:03 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Now that is something I can't understand - how former TM teachers could be afraid of reprisals of some kind for saying stuff about Marshy or the TMO. Look, I knew you were dumb, but not THAT dumb. Obviously you are using an alias. So, let me be real clear: /YOU WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BAKE BREAD ON THE MUM CAMPUS EVER AGAIN!/ Why? How? I mean look at how inept the Movement has been in suing ACTIVE former TM teachers such as the folks in the UK Chris Greathead and Colin Beckley who founded the Meditation Trust and Transcendental Meditation Independent. Non sequitur. You sucked as the MUM baker - this has been attested to by numerous TM Teachers and students, up to and including the President of the University and the campus cafeteria supervisor. Don't try to blame your ineptness on some poor, innocent TMers over in the UK! So what does a non teaching former TM teacher have to fear from the popinjays of the Movement? Unless you might want to get on a course now and again - then I can see it. /It has already been established by the informant himself, a former TM Teacher, that he is afraid, very afraid - otherwise why would he report Jim and Nabby to Interpol just for poking fun at him and his imaginary daughter? / *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. But anyway the places also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com mailto:curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although
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It was a long time ago and on the a.m.t newsgroup that Judy mentioned that. No one wants to explain to dummies that their organization is public and open to criticism. Nor explain that you haven't taken TM and are teaching under something different when you're not. In fact I asked a few of these indie teachers why didn't they just go learn to teach a different meditation method as I did. Many of us saw the self appointed TM cops who emerged usually from being relatively shy teachers at centers to assholes. They drove a lot of cool people away from the organization. We just didn't want to bother with them. On 11/29/2014 12:03 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Now that is something I can't understand - how former TM teachers could be afraid of reprisals of some kind for saying stuff about Marshy or the TMO. Why? How? I mean look at how inept the Movement has been in suing ACTIVE former TM teachers such as the folks in the UK Chris Greathead and Colin Beckley who founded the Meditation Trust and Transcendental Meditation Independent. So what does a non teaching former TM teacher have to fear from the popinjays of the Movement? Unless you might want to get on a course now and again - then I can see it. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. But anyway the places also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com mailto:curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am
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How you know Sal didn't dummy up the numbers for his horoscope? As little as he thinks of astrology, I wouldn't be surprised. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... You're my nephew's age. I surmised an age for you given when you were at MUM. Salyavin supposed provided his horoscope from which one can figure the date of birth almost down to the time. I never looked at physical age so much as mental age. It's sort of like you can have a room full of people of different age groups but same mindset. On 11/29/2014 12:06 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? Ha ha! Good one Sal!! I'm 58 now meself. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). Yes, and I must say you lot aren't being a very good influence. How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. I think it's been quite civil actually, just a few resignations in protest and a few lawsuit threats. Could have been a lot worse. I blame all the spiritual detachment we have. But anyway the place also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D Remember, it's entirely your decision whether you are inside or outside the asylum! On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis,I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I'vewatched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I had some contact with people from the old days who were kind enough to share their perspective. Although I remain a skeptic and am not really going with anything close to an open mind (overrated at this stage of my life I believe) I will go for the many
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the self appointed TM cops who emerged usually from being relatively shy teachers at centers to assholes. Are you serious? They went from shy to buttheads? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... It was a long time ago and on the a.m.t newsgroup that Judy mentioned that. No one wants to explain to dummies that their organization is public and open to criticism. Nor explain that you haven't taken TM and are teaching under something different when you're not. In fact I asked a few of these indie teachers why didn't they just go learn to teach a different meditation method as I did. Many of us saw the self appointed TM cops who emerged usually from being relatively shy teachers at centers to assholes. They drove a lot of cool people away from the organization. We just didn't want to bother with them. On 11/29/2014 12:03 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Now that is something I can't understand - how former TM teachers could be afraid of reprisals of some kind for saying stuff about Marshy or the TMO. Why? How? I mean look at how inept the Movement has been in suing ACTIVE former TM teachers such as the folks in the UK Chris Greathead and Colin Beckley who founded the Meditation Trust and Transcendental Meditation Independent. So what does a non teaching former TM teacher have to fear from the popinjays of the Movement? Unless you might want to get on a course now and again - then I can see it. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. But anyway the places also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her most of the time, I was entertained and prompted to write more many times because of her participation. That degraded in the era of the clique she led that involved the Share bashing era in the girl's locker room. Shit got weird and unpleasant, but worst of all boring. I don't know where FFL is headed now but I am an optimist. I intend to report on my experiences tomorrow at the event in Alexandria. Last I checked almost 800 people had reserved a seat. I
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That's why I used the word apparently. On 11/29/2014 03:08 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How you know Sal didn't dummy up the numbers for his horoscope? As little as he thinks of astrology, I wouldn't be surprised. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 4:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... You're my nephew's age. I surmised an age for you given when you were at MUM. Salyavin supposed provided his horoscope from which one can figure the date of birth almost down to the time. I never looked at physical age so much as mental age. It's sort of like you can have a room full of people of different age groups but same mindset. On 11/29/2014 12:06 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? Ha ha! Good one Sal!! I'm 58 now meself. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:43 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : It was Judy who brought that phrase about being open minded, attributed to her dad, after I accused her of being close minded on a topic. What is happening to FFL is we are getting old and cranky. Some of us are approaching our 70s and some are already there. And we have some that are a generation younger (apparently Salyavin and MJ). Yes, and I must say you lot aren't being a very good influence. How are innocent young souls like me and MJ going to learn what's right with the type of role models we've got here? It is kinda unusual to watch a group fly this out of control. Usually moderators will keep things civil but then there's nothing like a free for all either. Some of us like to keep our anonymity because we don't want (having been TM teachers) unwarranted reprisals from the TMO. Even Judy recommended it. I think it's been quite civil actually, just a few resignations in protest and a few lawsuit threats. Could have been a lot worse. I blame all the spiritual detachment we have. But anyway the place also has to keep up it's appearances as a loony bin which doesn't seem to hard to do. :-D Remember, it's entirely your decision whether you are inside or outside the asylum! On 11/29/2014 09:33 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am just trying to keep from being so open minded that my brains fall out! Glad it made you laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I'm still LOLing as I reply. What got me laughing was your comment about what is overrated at this stage of life. Being vague so others can enjoy it for themselves... Have fun tomorrow and I look forward to your report. *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... I've watched this will some alarm because last time I was posting here I had to try to back down Jim and Nabby from creating fantasy ill-will scenarios about my personal life in response to me posting my opinions about Maharishi's teaching. It was an escalation of their MO since I began posting here. I am happy to see it resolved with Jim creating his own page while hilariously claiming that it was because OTHER people were not being civil here! I do not believe it will last any more than his participation on then other enlightened forum, but hope to be proven wrong. I think you were right to go the legal route because they were crossing a weird and disturbing line Barry. There is no parity between how you post here and what those guys were up to. FFL has gone through many different incarnations as strongly influential posters come and go. I viewed the end of the Judy era as a positive thing, but was disturbed to see how others escalated to fill the gap. Judy ran her routine in a much more interesting way IMO, so despite strongly dissagreing with her
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C: I think that is at the heart of it. I say this because I often get personal insult responses to things I write here that are purely a critique of Maharishi and his teaching. Now if you are making a point that Barry also includes a bit of critique on the people who hold those beliefs, and that offends them I would go along with that. It wasn't about the babies on either side, that much I am clear about. R: I disagree. Anyone who has been posting on FFLife for any length has come to expect criticism of Maharishi. We are inured to it; water off a duck's back so to speak. The funny thing is that critics of Maharishi are so frozen in time with hurts and gripes about him they fail to see no one gives a shit. Rather than take responsibility for being down right ornery just for the hell of it, they continue to imagine their impotent barbs offend true believers. R: Baby abuse in just an escalation of his usual button pushing MO, the image of which would offend the sensibilities of any normal human being irrespective of their affiliation with Maharishi. C: No babies were harmed in the posting. It was not suggested that babies should be harmed. It was a gross line but nothing that someone who watches South Park would be too alarmed at in the way it was being used. No need to clutch pearls. (tip of the hat to you.) R: Your no babies were harmed and South Park defense of Barry is a silly distraction from the issue of his behavior and a huge assumption the pearl clutching lurkers you are so concerned cannot discern personal attack from satire would not be offended by or misconstrue Barry's metaphor invoking child abuse. You can't have it both ways, Curtis. It's likely lurkers will get satire making fun of Barry and have a good laugh. No one in their right mind thinks the use of a child abuse metaphor to push buttons is funny under any circumstance...except Barry, of course. R:Yes, I do see the difference between a personal accusation and satire, do you? C: I believe I was pointing that out myself, so yes. Even satire on dead public figures and living persons have different rules of engagement, or should IMO. R:Anyone reading my posts would have to be an idiot not to get the satire of my posts making fun of Barry. R: So you are making a case that people reading internet posts cannot be idiots? I'm sure you really do get the distinction I was making. As an isolated post it might have not taken on the Maharishi effect it achieved on top of more direct accusations. I do think you are a funny person Raunchy and I get your intent I think. R: BTW In response to Barry's faux victim outrage, C: Having been the target of a similar routine I am less inclined to see it as faux outrage. There is something really unsettling about seeing the intent of your words twisted into this accusation. You realize that someone wants to actually hurt your fer real real. R: I'm waiting for the Dutch police to come clattering after me in their wooden shoes. C: I am a fan of your clever humor Rauchy. Always have been.
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If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd limit his participation. I don't know who wrote the above but it's a familiar part of modern life that makes me scratch my head. Seems like every day some celebrity/sports star/politician says some generally inconsequential thing and immediately faces endless calls to apologise from the massed ranks of the professionally offended. Usually via Twitter. I don't know why they bother, because what good is an insincere apology? But it's not really about that, what it's about is control and humiliation. Everyone who complains knows that the apology is worth nothing and that people don't really see the error of their ways and swiftly adopt the morals of the herd, but if they can get someone to say what they want them to say it makes them happy because their will has been bent and it acts as a warning to others. Conform or we'll nag you endlessly. Is this the Internet as the great leveller, or a growing inability of people to accept that not everyone sees the world the same way they do? I knew this girl who was a right arrogant bitch, whenever I complained about her behaviour she'd just say I'm sorry you're offended by what I said which is marvellous because it put all the blame on me for her attitude problem. And she never understood why that drove me crazy, no empathy you see. I wonder what that's like? But all I know is she wouldn't even think to wonder. But if I ever annoy the world and the Twitteratti come banging on my cyber door for an apology that's what I'd say and see if any of the dumb fucks notice they've just been insulted further.
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salyavin, if I apologize, what's included is an intention to avoid doing the
hurtful behavior in the future. Heck we all do awful stuff sometimes. I think
it's a valid part of relating to others that we acknowledge our part in their
upset and then soldier on.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very
strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd
limit his participation.
I don't know who wrote the above but it's a familiar part of modern life that
makes me scratch my head.
Seems like every day some celebrity/sports star/politician says some generally
inconsequential thing and immediately faces endless calls to apologise from the
massed ranks of the professionally offended. Usually via Twitter.
I don't know why they bother, because what good is an insincere apology? But
it's not really about that, what it's about is control and humiliation.
Everyone who complains knows that the apology is worth nothing and that people
don't really see the error of their ways and swiftly adopt the morals of the
herd, but if they can get someone to say what they want them to say it makes
them happy because their will has been bent and it acts as a warning to others.
Conform or we'll nag you endlessly. Is this the Internet as the great leveller,
or a growing inability of people to accept that not everyone sees the world the
same way they do?
I knew this girl who was a right arrogant bitch, whenever I complained about
her behaviour she'd just say I'm sorry you're offended by what I said which
is marvellous because it put all the blame on me for her attitude problem. And
she never understood why that drove me crazy, no empathy you see. I wonder what
that's like? But all I know is she wouldn't even think to wonder.
But if I ever annoy the world and the Twitteratti come banging on my cyber door
for an apology that's what I'd say and see if any of the dumb fucks notice
they've just been insulted further.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, if I apologize, what's included is an intention to avoid doing the hurtful behavior in the future. Heck we all do awful stuff sometimes. I think it's a valid part of relating to others that we acknowledge our part in their upset and then soldier on. Yes, the operative word here is IF. Trouble is these days a lot of people think that because they are offended by something it automatically follows that someone has done something wrong and should apologise. It seems like simply being offended gives them the right to control other's opinions. Beats me. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd limit his participation. I don't know who wrote the above but it's a familiar part of modern life that makes me scratch my head. Seems like every day some celebrity/sports star/politician says some generally inconsequential thing and immediately faces endless calls to apologise from the massed ranks of the professionally offended. Usually via Twitter. I don't know why they bother, because what good is an insincere apology? But it's not really about that, what it's about is control and humiliation. Everyone who complains knows that the apology is worth nothing and that people don't really see the error of their ways and swiftly adopt the morals of the herd, but if they can get someone to say what they want them to say it makes them happy because their will has been bent and it acts as a warning to others. Conform or we'll nag you endlessly. Is this the Internet as the great leveller, or a growing inability of people to accept that not everyone sees the world the same way they do? I knew this girl who was a right arrogant bitch, whenever I complained about her behaviour she'd just say I'm sorry you're offended by what I said which is marvellous because it put all the blame on me for her attitude problem. And she never understood why that drove me crazy, no empathy you see. I wonder what that's like? But all I know is she wouldn't even think to wonder. But if I ever annoy the world and the Twitteratti come banging on my cyber door for an apology that's what I'd say and see if any of the dumb fucks notice they've just been insulted further.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Salyavin, I do not think I have heard before the phrase 'professionally offended', what a wonderful concept. I know people like this, where every other sentence is a complaint about this or that in their lives, almost invariably what someone else said or did. I tend to distinguish between real physical pain caused by what people do, and mental pain caused by a person's conditioning. One can have both compassion and empathy for the former, and up to a point compassion for the latter, but self-inflicted mental pain gets no empathy from me; I have had enough of my own in that department, and it was all on me, not someone else; it's something a person can do something about to correct unless they are totally incapable of listening and evaluating what other people say, in which case they are logically a lost cause, and one must let them remain in hell. As for Share's comment, if you do something that is wilfully malicious directed at a person, apologies are in order if the other person has a real innocence about them, which is usually not the case here on FFL where at least somewhere in our lives we have been well seasoned ass-holes ourselves, and the case that came up today was certainly in the latter category. If a person is 50 years old and still a professional complainer, then they sure as hell have not been living on Earth all this time, but living in some isolated mental fantasy world. http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2011/09/08/signe_t470.gif?84974f3f373deb0dda0f75a22ddd9b7d3a332b26 http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2011/09/08/signe_t470.gif?84974f3f373deb0dda0f75a22ddd9b7d3a332b26 http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2011/09/08/signe_t470.gif?84974f3f373deb0dda0f75a22ddd9b7d3a332b26 http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2011/09/08/signe_t470 http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2011/09/08/signe_t470.gif?84974f3f373deb0dda0f75a22ddd9b7d3a332b26 View on media.spokesman.com http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2011/09/08/signe_t470.gif?84974f3f373deb0dda0f75a22ddd9b7d3a332b26 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, if I apologize, what's included is an intention to avoid doing the hurtful behavior in the future. Heck we all do awful stuff sometimes. I think it's a valid part of relating to others that we acknowledge our part in their upset and then soldier on. Yes, the operative word here is IF. Trouble is these days a lot of people think that because they are offended by something it automatically follows that someone has done something wrong and should apologise. It seems like simply being offended gives them the right to control other's opinions. Beats me. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Apologies... If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd limit his participation. I don't know who wrote the above but it's a familiar part of modern life that makes me scratch my head. Seems like every day some celebrity/sports star/politician says some generally inconsequential thing and immediately faces endless calls to apologise from the massed ranks of the professionally offended. Usually via Twitter. I don't know why they bother, because what good is an insincere apology? But it's not really about that, what it's about is control and humiliation. Everyone who complains knows that the apology is worth nothing and that people don't really see the error of their ways and swiftly adopt the morals of the herd, but if they can get someone to say what they want them to say it makes them happy because their will has been bent and it acts as a warning to others. Conform or we'll nag you endlessly. Is this the Internet as the great leveller, or a growing inability of people to accept that not everyone sees the world the same way they do? I knew this girl who was a right arrogant bitch, whenever I complained about her behaviour she'd just say I'm sorry you're offended by what I said which is marvellous because it put all the blame on me for her attitude problem. And she never understood why that drove me crazy, no empathy you see. I wonder what that's like? But all I know is she wouldn't even think to wonder. But if I ever annoy the world and the Twitteratti come banging on my cyber door for an apology that's what I'd say and see if any of the dumb fucks notice they've just been insulted further.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
I feel sad about all the people who have left FFL.
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Salyavin,
I do not think I have heard before the phrase 'professionally offended', what a
wonderful concept. I know people like this, where every other sentence is a
complaint about this or that in their lives, almost invariably what someone
else said or did. I tend to distinguish between real physical pain caused by
what people do, and mental pain caused by a person's conditioning. One can have
both compassion and empathy for the former, and up to a point compassion for
the latter, but self-inflicted mental pain gets no empathy from me; I have had
enough of my own in that department, and it was all on me, not someone else;
it's something a person can do something about to correct unless they are
totally incapable of listening and evaluating what other people say, in which
case they are logically a lost cause, and one must let them remain in hell.
As for Share's comment, if you do something that is wilfully malicious directed
at a person, apologies are in order if the other person has a real innocence
about them, which is usually not the case here on FFL where at least somewhere
in our lives we have been well seasoned ass-holes ourselves, and the case that
came up today was certainly in the latter category. If a person is 50 years old
and still a professional complainer, then they sure as hell have not been
living on Earth all this time, but living in some isolated mental fantasy world.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Salyavin, if I apologize, what's included is an intention to avoid doing the
hurtful behavior in the future. Heck we all do awful stuff sometimes. I think
it's a valid part of relating to others that we acknowledge our part in their
upset and then soldier on.
Yes, the operative word here is IF. Trouble is these days a lot of people think
that because they are offended by something it automatically follows that
someone has done something wrong and should apologise. It seems like simply
being offended gives them the right to control other's opinions. Beats me.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very
strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd
limit his participation.
I don't know who wrote the above but it's a familiar part of modern life that
makes me scratch my head.
Seems like every day some celebrity/sports star/politician says some generally
inconsequential thing and immediately faces endless calls to apologise from the
massed ranks of the professionally offended. Usually via Twitter.
I don't know why they bother, because what good is an insincere apology? But
it's not really about that, what it's about is control and humiliation.
Everyone who complains knows that the apology is worth nothing and that people
don't really see the error of their ways and swiftly adopt the morals of the
herd, but if they can get someone to say what they want them to say it makes
them happy because their will has been bent and it acts as a warning to others.
Conform or we'll nag you endlessly. Is this the Internet as the great leveller,
or a growing inability of people to accept that not everyone sees the world the
same way they do?
I knew this girl who was a right arrogant bitch, whenever I complained about
her behaviour she'd just say I'm sorry you're offended by what I said which
is marvellous because it put all the blame on me for her attitude problem. And
she never understood why that drove me crazy, no empathy you see. I wonder what
that's like? But all I know is she wouldn't even think to wonder.
But if I ever annoy the world and the Twitteratti come banging on my cyber door
for an apology that's what I'd say and see if any of the dumb fucks notice
they've just been insulted further.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
was that right arrogant bitch at the academy or Skelmersdale? Or one of the
non-meditators.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 1:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very
strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd
limit his participation.
I don't know who wrote the above but it's a familiar part of modern life that
makes me scratch my head.
Seems like every day some celebrity/sports star/politician says some generally
inconsequential thing and immediately faces endless calls to apologise from the
massed ranks of the professionally offended. Usually via Twitter.
I don't know why they bother, because what good is an insincere apology? But
it's not really about that, what it's about is control and humiliation.
Everyone who complains knows that the apology is worth nothing and that people
don't really see the error of their ways and swiftly adopt the morals of the
herd, but if they can get someone to say what they want them to say it makes
them happy because their will has been bent and it acts as a warning to others.
Conform or we'll nag you endlessly. Is this the Internet as the great leveller,
or a growing inability of people to accept that not everyone sees the world the
same way they do?
I knew this girl who was a right arrogant bitch, whenever I complained about
her behaviour she'd just say I'm sorry you're offended by what I said which
is marvellous because it put all the blame on me for her attitude problem. And
she never understood why that drove me crazy, no empathy you see. I wonder what
that's like? But all I know is she wouldn't even think to wonder.
But if I ever annoy the world and the Twitteratti come banging on my cyber door
for an apology that's what I'd say and see if any of the dumb fucks notice
they've just been insulted further.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Who knows how many have unsubscribed. Rick Archer has not yet had the balls to booth the butt-fucking-babies member. Meanwhile we'll se what the Leiden Police choose to do as searching his computers for child porn is too late, he had all Thursday night to get rid of everything. Have the child he is looking after taken in for a medical examination perhaps.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Nablus, I suggest that you drop this, because YOUR name, email address, and
posting history here on the Fairfield Life group are now in the possession of
the Dutch police. I tried to warn you earlier that this country takes a very
hard line with people who attempt to harm others' reputations through malicious
slander and cyberstalking, but obviously you weren't listening. You should
listen now, because if you persist I will have no choice but to file formal
criminal charges against you.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
Who knows how many have unsubscribed. Rick Archer has not yet had the balls
to booth the butt-fucking-babies member. Meanwhile we'll se what the Leiden
Police choose to do as searching his computers for child porn is too late, he
had all Thursday night to get rid of everything. Have the child he is looking
after taken in for a medical examination perhaps. #yiv7905156659
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[FairfieldLife] Apologies from Robin and Judy
Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the bottom line on all this insanity should be given to the two people causing most of it: APOLOGY FROM ROBIN: Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just having a bad night, after realizing the truth about myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing all this just got me down, that's all, so I made up some shit about you. Sorry. - Robin W. Carlsen APOLOGY FROM JUDY: Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I'm a bat shit crazy old woman with nothing going on in my life and it really, really, really gets my panties in a twist to see anyone liking or supporting anyone I've spent years telling them that they shouldn't like. When that happens I see red and go a little crazier than usual, because it reminds me what an *ineffectual* crazy person I am. All these years, working with an audience not nearly as smart as I am, and I *still* couldn't make them hate the people I wanted them to hate. Realizing all this just got me down, that's all, so I needed to go a little more bat shit crazy than usual. - Judy Stein --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Judy, you do leave me speechless. Almost. It is at this point I reflect on the last Narnia book, The Last Battle, when the ape Shift turns the truth upside down. And succeeds in doing so for a while. I guess that's a difference between that book and FFL. I don't think anyone is fooled here, even for a moment. I hope Robin doesn't turn on you here Judy. That could happen you know. ROBIN: Actually, this is the only moment in today's proceedings where I feel you have hit a nerve, Steve. And I believe your warning to Authfriend both timely and even portentous. I would ask you, Authfriend, to be careful at this point. Curtis and I understand each other. I don't know you at all. And sometimes I think you act as if you know me much better than you do. Do you understand this, Authfriend? F*ck off, Zebra Baby. I don't give a crap about you and your Issues; I'm after Curtis here. Don't get in the way, OK? I know you better than I need to. You will thank Steve someday for his rebuke here. But funny thing is: the more I write into you, the more I like you! Yeah, yeah, very funny. Take your levers and hooks and grappling irons and go after somebody who hasn't made it all the way around the block even once yet. Write into you, is that Canada-speak? Hey, I'll tell you where you can write into, mister. But that doesn't change the wisdom of Steve's admonition, as surely you must know, Authfriend. Nothing can ever change Steve's wisdom, I agree with you there.
[FairfieldLife] Apologies Not Accepted
Apologies Not Accepted Leaked cables show Japan nixed a presidential apology to Hiroshima and Nagasaki for using nukes to end the overseas contingency operation known as World War II. Will the next president apologize for the current one? The obsessive need of this president to apologize for American exceptionalism and our defense of freedom continued recently when Barack Obama's State Department (run by Hillary Clinton) contacted the family of al-Qaida propagandist and recruiter Samir Khan to express its condolences to his family. Khan, a right-hand man to Anwar al-Awlaki, was killed along with Awlaki in an airstrike in Yemen on Sept. 30. We apologized for killing a terrorist before he could help kill any more of us. It's yet another part of the world apology tour that began with Obama taking the oath of office to protect and defend the United States and its Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, something he immediately felt sorry for. One stop on his tour was Prague in August 2009. There he spoke of America's commitment to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons, ignoring that before 1945 we lived in such a world and it was neither peaceful nor secure. Another stop on the tour was in Japan, where Obama in November 2009 bowed to the emperor, something no American president had ever done. It could have been worse if plans to visit Nagasaki and Hiroshima to apologize for winning the war with the atom bombs had come to pass. A heretofore secret cable dated Sept. 3, 2009, was recently released by WikiLeaks. Sent to Secretary of State Clinton, it reported Japan's Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka telling U.S. Ambassador John Roos that the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a 'nonstarter.' The Japanese feared the apology would be exploited by anti-nuclear groups and those opposed to the defensive alliance between Japan and the U.S. Whatever Tokyo's motive, Obama's motive was to once again apologize for defending freedom, this time for winning with devastating finality the war Japan started. While Obama envisions a world without nuclear weapons, and moves steadily toward unilateral disarmament of our nuclear arsenal, we envision a world without tyrants and thugs willing to use them against us. We do not fear nuclear weapons in the hands of Britain or France, countries that share our love of freedom and democracy. It was not all that clear in August 1945 that Japan was ready to surrender. Okinawa, where 101,000 Japanese and 24,000 Americans died, was a clear indication of the fanatical resistance to come in an invasion of the Japanese home islands. That resistance ended only when Tokyo became convinced there would soon be nothing to defend. Nuclear weapons in the right hands ended the violence of World War II. In the right hands, they kept Western Europe free and helped win the Cold War. And the fact that they'd been used made it less likely they would ever be used again. The world that Imperial Japan envisioned was quite different than the one we now enjoy. That regime's dream was of an imperial rising sun blistering the globe. Good thing they saw a rising sun of a quite different sort, the fulfillment of Japanese Adm. Isoroku Yamato's prophecy after Dec. 7, 1941: I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve. President Obama fails to realize that being the leader of the Free World, the last best hope for mankind, means never having to say you're sorry. - from Investors.com, Oct. 11, 2011
[FairfieldLife] Apologies in advance for having a life
I posted a few things today in my traditional Sunday cafe raps that may draw comment. As always, I reserve the right to not comment on the comments; I said what I had to say in my first posts, and probably will feel neither the need to defend it nor the desire to expand upon it. But this is even more true today, because I suffer from the heartbreaking samskara of having a life. Today is a kinda Big Deal in Sitges, having-a-life-wise. I mean, not only is Spain playing in the final game of the World Cup tonight, the Gay Pride thang is going on, meaning that one can also attend the High Heel Race, the Sunday Cabaret Drag Show, the Miss Drag Queen Sitges contest, or a concert by performer Jose Galisteo on the promenade, followed by dancing on the beach. Less appeal- ing to me personally is the late-night Underwear Party at the Man Bar. Like Chauncey Gardner, I like to watch. Today in Sitges is a veritable voyeur's paradise. So this is notice that whether you come up with a thoughtful response to something I wrote this morning, whether you come up with a stinging and devastating rebuttal to it, or (more likely and more wisely) just ignore anything I said as just more meaning- less cafe drivel, I'm not gonna be here. In a few minutes I'm going to be heading out to have lunch with some good friends, then watch the High Heel Race, then watch the game, and afterward hopefully check out some of the other loco mayor (major crazy) going on around town. Especially if Spain wins. I think it'll be fun. And I'm sorry, but fun trumps almost everything else for me, especially keeping up on FFL. See you either late tonight or tomorrow, if I survive the beach dancing at my age. And if I don't, so long and thanks for all the fish. :-)
[FairfieldLife] apologies to foufou
I did not mean to offend. I'm sorry. Sometimes I am a little too rude. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies to group/Michael Dean Goodman
Crawl you scurulous dog! --- anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My blah blah blah e-mail was uncalled for. I acknowledge that and beg forgiveness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Apologies to group/Michael Dean Goodman
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[FairfieldLife] Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error
I have been quoting you as Dr. Stuphen. Sorry, I should have checked the spelling before citing you -- in what I think is a great quote. (cant deconstruct others experiences I found my spelling error in doing a google search of you to see whcih university you teach at. Even Google appears to know its Sutphen, not Stuphen. You have alluded to teaching classes. I didn't see you as professor or adjunct faculty at any florida university or colege. Is this an oversight on the colleges part? Nor any listing in professional psychogist associations. Or even a listing of a practice. I checked vet schools, but no listing there either, so Mr Paul is apparently mistaken in that assumption. One post claimed you were a practicioner of experimental psychology not counseling or clinical psychology? Is this correct? Certainly its not mandatory that you post your professional qualifications. But you cite them as a basis of your expertise at times. As did I just recently (most knowledgable on this board in these matters.) So any professional cites or descriptions would be of interest, if you don't mind sharing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been quoting you as Dr. Stuphen. Sorry, I should have checked the spelling before citing you -- in what I think is a great quote. (cant deconstruct others experiences A common mistake. You should see how my students spell my name. The best was, Tufin!!! I found my spelling error in doing a google search of you to see whcih university you teach at. Even Google appears to know its Sutphen, not Stuphen. You have alluded to teaching classes. I didn't see you as professor or adjunct faculty at any florida university or colege. Is this an oversight on the colleges part? Broward Community College and Nova Southeastern University Nor any listing in professional psychogist associations. Or even a listing of a practice. Hmmm? I checked vet schools, but no listing there either, so Mr Paul is apparently mistaken in that assumption. WoooF!! One post claimed you were a practicioner of experimental psychology not counseling or clinical psychology? Is this correct? No. clinical psychologist in Florida. It might be a mispelling of experiential Certainly its not mandatory that you post your professional qualifications. But you cite them as a basis of your expertise at times. As did I just recently (most knowledgable on this board in these matters.) So any professional cites or descriptions would be of interest, if you don't mind sharing. You can find me in the State of Florida, Department of Health database for psychologists. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
