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As Judy pointed out,that was for the Jerusalem study. The DC
study crime data comes from the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, a book
published yearly by... the FBI. The other data was also from
public sources.
But
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[...]
You might find it of interest to read a lengthy
discussion that took place on alt.m.t in which he
maintained the TM researchers were unethical because
they didn't obtain informed consent from the
populations they were
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Then they discovered he was making derogatory public
comments
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As Judy pointed out,that was for the Jerusalem study. The DC
study crime data comes from the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, a
book
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As Judy pointed out,that was for the Jerusalem study. The
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For example, in another post akasha complains that
only violent crime statistics were studied
Not a complaint, just an observation.
and
expresses suspicion that the researchers left out
statistics on nonviolent
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On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:15 AM, authfriend wrote:
It's
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Even the *raw data*--the crime rate statistics--showed
a very significant reduction from the rate the previous
year for that period,
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Then they discovered he was making derogatory public
comments
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[...]
You might find it of interest to read a lengthy
discussion that took place on alt.m.t in which he
maintained the TM researchers were unethical
I need a favor
Do you haveaccessto a good quality picture of the 1993 peace creating group in Washington DC by any chance ?
Please inform me on that and if possible attach the poster and mail it
All the best
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For example, in another post akasha complains that
only violent crime statistics were studied
Not a complaint, just an observation.
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I need a favor
Do you have access to a good quality picture of the 1993 peace
creating group in Washington DC by any chance ?
Please inform me on that and if possible attach the poster and mail
it
I don't,
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For example, in another post akasha complains that
only
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[...]
You might find it of interest to read a lengthy
discussion that
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For example, in another post akasha complains that
only
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Eh, I'm with akasha on this one.
And not on all issues?
:)
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Kinda like losing various geniuses and other luminaries
through
the 40 million+ abortions performed in the USA since Roe v.
Wade...
1. Studies have shown that women who have abortions early in life go
on to have the same number of children they would have had anyway, but
only at the
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Kinda like losing various geniuses and other luminaries
through
the 40 million+ abortions performed in the USA since Roe v.
Wade...
1. Studies have shown that women who have abortions early in
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Kinda like losing various geniuses and other luminaries
through
the 40 million+ abortions performed in the USA since Roe v.
Wade...
1. Studies have shown that women who have abortions early in
Excellent post. Some comments forthcoming.
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Kinda like losing various geniuses and other luminaries
through
the 40 million+ abortions performed in the USA since Roe v.
Wade...
1. Studies have
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The crime rate reduction found by the D.C. study was a
sharp downward turn that correlated very closely with
the start of the eight-week project, not the kind of
gradual reduction over time you're talking about.
And
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The crime rate reduction found by the D.C. study was a
sharp downward turn that correlated very closely with
the start of the
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The crime rate reduction found by the D.C. study was
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If the DC crime rate was
relatively flat during the 90s, maybe that's an ok methodology. But
metro cities throughout the nation experienced a dramatic drop in
crime rate starting around 1992-1993 and continuing for several yrs
and therefore the study can't prove its point w/o
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So what's going to be the practical result of all
these half or 3/4
baked M-effect studies?
Nothing
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not even insisting that *this* study demonstrates
the Maharishi Effect, though. It's just that I've seen
zillions of misconceptions about how it was done,
Which is interesting, since no one is even clear on the
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If the DC crime rate was
relatively flat during the 90s, maybe that's an ok
methodology. But
metro cities throughout the nation experienced a dramatic
drop in
crime rate starting around 1992-1993
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The 5 yr trend is meaningless - the trend for violent crime was
significantly up during the 80s and then it unexpectedly and
dramatically turned down in the 90s, then flattened out near the end
of that decade. All sorts of studies came out in the
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I'm not even insisting that *this* study demonstrates
the Maharishi Effect, though. It's just that I've seen
zillions of misconceptions
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I'm not even insisting that *this* study demonstrates
the Maharishi Effect, though. It's just that I've seen
zillions of misconceptions
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Data from the past several years (not positive it was
five years; it may have been fewer) was used to predict
what the crime rate *would* have been had the intervention
not taken place. The eight-week period for the year of
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So when separate models are used to predict crime, distinct from the
intervention model, its unconventional. Its not needed, unless there
were severe data problems. Doing so weakens the predictive power of
the
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They spent a LONG TIME massaging the data after the study. They had
predicted 25%
reduction in crime. Their first published result was 16 or 17%,
which was EXACTLY WHAT I
HAD PREDICTED, IN PRINT, PRIOR TO THE COURSE.
On what
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So when separate models are used to predict crime, distinct from the
intervention model, its unconventional. Its not needed, unless
Whoa, too embarrassing! I predicted, but NOT in print. But in a way, I did,
too.
Here is the quote from Survival In Paradise (Thursday, August 26, 1993):
My own prediction for the course was characteristically conservative. [Yes, it
would have
been more impressive to have lodged it with an
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If the DC crime rate was
relatively flat during the 90s, maybe that's an ok
methodology. But
metro cities throughout the
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THEN, later, when they decided that they wanted to test for weather
effects,
My gracious, how many times does this have to be
said? The weather effects protocol was decided
on and publicly announced *before the
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So when separate models are used to predict crime,
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To recap: my guesstimation was indeed intutional, and based on the
circumstance that the pundits were not actually going to appear for
the course
No pundits were *scheduled* to appear for the course.
What are you
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If the DC crime rate was
relatively flat
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THEN, later, when they decided that they wanted to test for
weather effects,
My gracious, how many times does this have to be
said?
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To recap: my guesstimation was indeed intutional, and based on the
circumstance that the pundits were not actually going to appear for
LB, (or anyone familiar with the study)
Per your prior note,
What was added in the 25% second round of analysis, relative to the
first round, the 17% results? Was it the weather variables or Index?
Or was weather included in the first round of analysis? If weather
was in the first round.
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If the DC crime rate was
relatively flat during the 90s, maybe that's an ok
methodology. But
metro cities throughout the nation experienced a dramatic
drop in
crime rate starting around 1992-1993
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THEN, later, when they decided that they wanted to test
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Whoa, too embarrassing! I predicted, but NOT in print. But in a
way, I did, too.
Here is the quote from Survival In Paradise (Thursday, August 26,
1993):
My own prediction for the course was characteristically
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To recap: my guesstimation was indeed intutional, and based on the
circumstance that the pundits were not actually going to appear
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THEN, later, when they decided that they wanted to test
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To recap: my guesstimation was indeed intutional, and
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To recap: my guesstimation was indeed intutional, and
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Why is that so important to you.
It's important to understanding the study. It's being
used as a way to suggest they changed things around
after seeing the data to get a better result, which isn't
what happened.
So why did they have a pre and post period?
?? Why not?
HAHAHA. Just for fun I suppose. jeez.
Pre and post aren't control periods because they
take place at *different times of the year*.
So they did not use pre and post periods?
OK, you don't want to discuss this in
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To recap: my guesstimation was indeed intutional, and
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The FBI uniform crime statistics were used for the study. The data
is publicly available from the FBI, but not the researchers, a
chief complaint by Barry M.
No, that was the data for the Jerusalem study he was
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So why did they have a pre and post period?
?? Why not?
HAHAHA. Just for fun I suppose. jeez.
Pre and post aren't control periods because they
take place at *different times of the year*.
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