In a message dated 1/8/06 7:25:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> How
many of you have actually seen Jyotir Math? It's not that > >
big a deal.> > They've seen it in their minds, as it was
described> to them by other people who made it seem like a big>
de
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > How many of you have actually seen Jyotir Math? It's not that
> > big a deal.
>
> They've seen it in their minds, as it was described
> to them
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>
> In a message dated 1/7/06 11:30:26 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> It is obvious that Gurudev lived in greater physical comfort as
> Shankaracharya than he did as a lone Sanyasin wandering aroun
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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> > While I agree with the theory completely, and have
> > adopted it as one of my New Year's Resolutions,
> > the skunk smell actuall
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wrote:
> While I agree with the theory completely, and have
> adopted it as one of my New Year's Resolutions,
> the skunk smell actually doesn't come from pissing,
> but from their sweat glands being squished when they
> feel f
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > How many of you have actually seen Jyotir Math? It's not that
> > big a deal.
>
> They've seen it in their minds, as it was described
> to them
In a message dated 1/8/06 4:43:47 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They've
seen it in their minds, as it was describedto them by other people who
made it seem like a bigdeal. The description has become Truth for
them;anything that deviates from this is
falsehoo
'In Yoshimath the Sherpa Nima and I fought a cheerful but obstinately
contested battle with the aged priest Govindanand. For several weeks
we had shared the Spartan life of the hermits, eating neither
vegetables nor fruit, and we craved vitamins. The bazaar at Yoshimath
could supply only onions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> How many of you have actually seen Jyotir Math? It's not that
> big a deal.
They've seen it in their minds, as it was described
to them by other people who made it seem like a big
deal. The description has become Truth for them;
--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TorquiseB writes: Big snip
> The show went on to say that the only sane
> thing to do with skunks is avoid them, because
> pretty much everything scares them, and thus
> if you approach them in
In a message dated 1/7/06 3:57:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It
is obvious that Gurudev lived in greater physical comfort as >
Shankaracharya than he did as a lone Sanyasin wandering around. It is
> also obvious that *somehow* money flowed into the ma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/7/06 11:30:26 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> It is obvious that Gurudev lived in greater physical comfort as
> Shankaracharya than he did as a lone Sanyasin wandering aroun
In a message dated 1/7/06 11:30:26 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is
obvious that Gurudev lived in greater physical comfort as Shankaracharya
than he did as a lone Sanyasin wandering around. It is also obvious that
*somehow* money flowed into the math at Jy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Btw, this is an excellent insight into the early evolution of the TM
movement- really good!
> On Jan 5, 2006, at 7:55 AM, Vaj wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > There's a biography I read a while back on the web--I believe
it
> > was ca
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is obvious that Gurudev lived in greater physical comfort as
> Shankaracharya than he did as a lone Sanyasin wandering around. It is
> also obvious that *somehow* money flowed into the math at Jyotirmath.
> Gurudev m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Guru Dev's lifestyle, organisation and methods of gaining
> > welfare as depicted in his published biographies (listed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In
> > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Torquis
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>
>
> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In
> > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > TorquiseB writes: Big snip
> > > The show w
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > TorquiseB writes: Big snip
> > The show went on to say that the only sane
> > thing to do with skunks is avoid them, because
> > pretty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Contact MUM about the nearest World P
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:06 AM, sparaig wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with
> >> Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > TorquiseB writes: Big snip
> > The show went on to say that the only sane
> > thing to do with skunks i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --- In
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > TorquiseB writes: Big snip
> > The show went on to say that the only sane
> > thing to do with skunks
--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TorquiseB writes: Big snip
> The show went on to say that the only sane
> thing to do with skunks is avoid them, because
> pretty much everything scares them, and thus
> if you approach them in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[quoting TurquoiseB]
> > You forget sometimes who you are talking to here.
> > We're the people who actually went to TM Teacher
> > Training and were taught to mindlessly repeat
> > the things you're now mindlessly repe
> You forget sometimes who you are talking to here.
> We're the people who actually went to TM Teacher
> Training and were taught to mindlessly repeat
> the things you're now mindlessly repeating. :-)
And this has *my* vote as Best FFL Quote of 2006 so
far!
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TorquiseB writes: Big snip
> The show went on to say that the only sane
> thing to do with skunks is avoid them, because
> pretty much everything scares them, and thus
> if you approach them in a
TorquiseB writes: Big snip
The show went on to say that the only sane
thing to do with skunks is avoid them, because
pretty much everything scares them, and thus
if you approach them in any way, you're gonna
get all stunk up. Sounded like good advice
to me...
Tom T:
An old politician who had been
> > I saw the neatest nature show on HD TV the other
> > day. It was all about skunks. It turns out that
> > the long-held myth that they spray their stinky-
> > smelling scent as an agressive thing to ward off
> > attackers is just that, a myth. It turns out, when
> > they wire the skunks up and
I've noticed that, Off. Your posts practically sparkle with the sweet light of rationality. How any of these foolish TM teachers could think otherwise is beyond me.
Sal
On Jan 6, 2006, at 8:30 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
No I am stating rationality. I don't care about your subjective
expe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > I'm trying to get something across to you
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> To anyone other than Turquoise (since I am not bothering with his
> irrational conversation anymore). Turquoise consistently avoids
> questions and then tries to attack the person's character. This is
> his onl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > But if I understand correctly, you'v
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > > > Thats right, when you have no argument that holds any water
> > > > and are floundering around for answersgo aheadattack
> > > > your opponent's image, and seek support among the people you
> > > > hop
> > > Thats right, when you have no argument that holds any water
> > > and are floundering around for answersgo aheadattack
> > > your opponent's image, and seek support among the people you
> > > hope will band together to join your little irrational and
> > > primitive cult you are t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Guru Dev's lifestyle, organisation and methods of gaining
> > welfare as depicted in his published biographies (listed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Please point out for us where in any of these
> > posts I have used "religion" to make any point.
> > I'll wait. :-) :-) :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Thats right, when you have no argument that holds any water
> > and are floundering around for answersgo aheadattack
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > You have been brainwashed by Christian culture into beleiveng
> > that the most good is done if it is charity.
>
> I'll actually address this, just because it's so
> stupid I think I can have fun doing so. :-)
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > But if I understand correctly, you'v
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thats right, when you have no argument that holds any water
> and are floundering around for answersgo aheadattack
> your opponent's image, and seek support among the people you
> hope will band togeth
In the yogic tradition, there are three kinds of bondage, " trividho bandhah"--two of them are vaikrtika bandha, renunciates becoming attached to objects of comfort and dakshina bandha renunciates who become dependent on money from lay people. These are warning signs that a renunciate is still in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Guru Dev's lifestyle, organisation and methods of gaining
> > welfare as depicted in his published biographies (listed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > But if I understand correctly, you've never taught
> > meditation in *either* context, right? You're
> > just stating that thi
So do you believe that the Jyotir Math seat was run on noting but
miracles from the ether?
Do you really believe that the place where Guru Dev spent his last
10+ years was built by the gods, maintained by the gods, and all the
work being done their by the servants (Maharishi included - 10 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_wo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > > > > I think you people are missing the point, big-time.
> > > > >
> > > > > The very fact that someone should have to take out
> > > > > a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And
> > > > > the organizati
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Guru Dev's lifestyle, organisation and methods of gaining
> welfare as depicted in his published biographies (listed
> below), are at variants with the descriptions recently
> offered by 'off_world_being
Guru Dev's lifestyle, organisation and methods of gaining welfare as
depicted in his published biographies (listed below), are at variants
with the descriptions recently offered by 'off_world_beings'.
It is particularly interesting to note the stories of Guru Dev
outrightly refusing material do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow, you really are out of touc
> > > > I think you people are missing the point, big-time.
> > > >
> > > > The very fact that someone should have to take out
> > > > a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And
> > > > the organization that places the people of the world
> > > > in that position are the criminals.
> > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, you really are out of touch. Do you know how much a car costs
> > these days ?
>
> Well, in Europe the new Renault Lo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I think you people are missing the point, big-time.
> > >
> > > The very fact that someone should have to take out
> > > a loan t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Wow, you really are out of touch. Do you know how much a car costs
> these days ?
Well, in Europe the new Renault Logan, a well-reviewed
brand-new 5-passenger car, costs 5000 Euros out the door.
In other words
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > I think you people are missing the point, big-time.
> >
> > The very fact that someone should have to take out
> > a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And
> > the organization that places the people of th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoo
In a message dated 1/5/06 7:11:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And if
they stop after paying such a large sum, which could have been used
> to pay off the car or get ahead on the mortgage etc, they could
easily feel > fooled and become bitter about
it.>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/5/06 11:12:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> People continue to meditate because they have good experience,
> regardless of what they have paid or not paid.
> If they have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When I taught full time I never saw myself as "selling mantras" or
> some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center,
> publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:46 AM, off_wor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Is $2500 too much? It is, from any rational human point-of-view,
but..."
I havenÕt laughed this hard since joining... Whatever Fairfield Life
is paying this guy it isnÕt enough.
Priceless!!
--
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > > Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take
> > > out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would
guess,
> > > to learn an advanced technique as well...
> >
> > *
> >
In a message dated 1/5/06 11:12:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
People
continue to meditate because they have good experience, regardless of what
they have paid or not paid.If they have not good experience, they stop
even if they have paid $ 2.500.
And if
When I taught full time I never saw myself as "selling mantras" or
some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center,
publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the
teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a
franchise fee for its role i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
> >
> > > Nonsense. Even Jesus accepted money for his Church. Monks and
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > > Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can
take
> > > > out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would
I agree with authfriend here. I taught TM full time for a short while and
supported myself doing so. I worked hard and deserved what I earned from it.
It was just as much a job as anything else I could have done.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:06 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more etichal than what he shows these days. I t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was
still
> fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished
as
> time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with
> Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more
> etichal than what he shows these days. I think the influence of Guru
> Dev fade
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In case anyone should think otherwise, although it is tempting I am
> not championing Guru Dev's teaching, merely noting the apparent
> divergance of thought between MMY and his guru. There are aspects of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still
> fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as
> time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching qu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
>
> > Nonsense. Even Jesus accepted money for his Church. Monks and
> > priests have always been paid for their services since the
beginning
> > of time. Ancient cultur
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > > I think you people are missing the point, big-time.
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> > > > The very fact that someone should have to take out
> > >
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> > > Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take
> > > out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess,
> > > to learn an advanced technique as well...
> >
> > *
> >
On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:46 AM, off_world_beings wrote:Nonsense. Even Jesus accepted money for his Church. Monks and priests have always been paid for their services since the beginning of time. Ancient cultures considered these services paramount and the most practical thing they could do, and w
Jyotir Math was a comfortable living in India, with servants and
massive donors from the Hindu community (this is common knowledge,
and you are being a naive western baby boomer if you think it was
otherwise), as well as many volunteers (which included Maharishi for
a decade or so). Guru Dev s
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> On Jan 5, 2006, at 9:23 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
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> > Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of
> > time. Someone has to pay for the spiritual movement. In ancient
> > times an Ashram in India wa
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> > > I think you people are missing the point, big-time.
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> > > The very fact that someone should have to take out
> > > a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And
> > > the organization that places the p
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> > > I think you people are missing the point, big-time.
> > >
> > > The very fact that someone should have to take out
> > > a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And
> > > the organization that places the p
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> As far as I know, Guru Dev lived in a mansion in his retirement
> called the Jyotir Math, with servants and massive donors from the
> Hindu community, as well as many volunteers (which included
> Maharishi fro
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How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened?>
> They haven't come up with a price for that
yet.LOL.But it's not as far-fetched as you think. I know
ofone spiritual auth
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The very
fact that someone should have to take outa loan to learn to meditate is
what's criminal. Andthe organization that places the people of the
worldin that position are the criminals.
BINGO
On Jan 5, 2006, at 9:23 AM, off_world_beings wrote:Ridiculous. This is what it has been like since the beginning of time. Someone has to pay for the spiritual movement. In ancient times an Ashram in India was paid for by donors and patrons, a lot of volunteerism on the part of those who can't
Jyotir Math has been described here on FFL as a lodge, furthermore it
appears that Guru Dev seldom visited Jyotir Math.
The term retirement is a surprising way to describe the period Guru
Dev undertook the position of Shankaracharya of Northern India.
Is it possible that you might share your so
> > I think you people are missing the point, big-time.
> >
> > The very fact that someone should have to take out
> > a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And
> > the organization that places the people of the world
> > in that position are the criminals.>>
>
>
> Ridiculous. This is
As far as I know, Guru Dev lived in a mansion in his retirement
called the Jyotir Math, with servants and massive donors from the
Hindu community, as well as many volunteers (which included
Maharishi fro a decade or so).
OffWorld
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> > > Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take
> > > out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would
guess,
> > > to learn an advanced technique as well...
> >
> > *
> >
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"
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> > It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching
> > was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the f
This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with
Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more
etichal than what he shows these days. I think the influence of Guru
Dev faded more and more as he became The Big Guru.
Ingegerd
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On Jan 5, 2006, at 7:55 AM, Vaj wrote:On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:08 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:Now imagine being a young, naive guy from Indiawho has either lived with his mother or in an ashram all his life, and who suddenly winds up not only being the object of focus of tens of thousands of TM students but
On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:08 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:Now imagine being a young, naive guy from India who has either lived with his mother or in an ashram all his life, and who suddenly winds up not only being the object of focus of tens of thousands of TM students but the object of focus for the world
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> It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching
> was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness
> diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents
> a teaching
In case anyone should think otherwise, although it is tempting I am
not championing Guru Dev's teaching, merely noting the apparent
divergance of thought between MMY and his guru. There are aspects of
both of their teachings that seem odd.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Pau
It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still
fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as
time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite
alien to that of Guru Dev's.
That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears n
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