--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen drpetersutphen@... wrote:
What in the hell is all this distorted TM teaching?
Are you guys that are spouting this TM teachers?
Because MMY never, ever mentioned this stuff in the
context of explaining experiences during meditation.
OK,
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yeah but I never said what he is alluding to, that an absence of
thoughts is indicative of a lack of progress during TM. I'm not
sure
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Who is the other non-TM teacher? Moi?
Mentioned only because someone (I don't know who) asked.
I don't know why that person asked. Perhaps they noticed
what I have, that on Internet TM-related forums often the
people who
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Who is the other non-TM teacher? Moi?
Mentioned only because someone (I don't know who) asked.
I don't know why that person asked. Perhaps
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Who is the other non-TM teacher? Moi?
Mentioned only because someone
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yeah but I never said what he is alluding to, that an absence of
thoughts is indicative of a lack of progress during TM. I'm not
sure
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It's a cyberstalking thang, Jim. :-)
I just used a phrase that I'd heard from many TMers
who had grown concerned that because thoughts
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The two
non-TM teachers harping on the phrase are merely
doing the a.m.t. thang of trying to nitpick to
discredit someone they don't like. It's just how
things are done over there. You'll get used to it. :-)
Unc
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Wasn't talking about TM but about a similar
meditation practice that
goes about 5 stages beyond
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Not quite that simple :-) In the final stages it is possible to
transcend for four hours at a time, effortlessly. One sits
down,
decides how
Thank you for answering.
Innggegerd
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One usually receives a transmission into the practice. It usually
involves coming up with a series of numbers on the mala after using a
specific mantra and then interpreting that pattern.
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Wasn't talking about TM but
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snip
It's a different paradigm, Jim. In other
traditions,
there is NOT the TM idea that thoughts in meditation
are valuable and an indication that something good
is happening, and that stress is being released.
In fact, the paradigm is
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It's a different paradigm, Jim. In other
traditions,
there is NOT the TM idea that thoughts in meditation
are valuable and an indication that something
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Not bloody likely. :-) Those who have bought into
TM being the highest teaching would never lower
themselves to try anything else.
If they're right, they stick with the highest
teach-
ing forever, and avoid lesser techniques. If
they're
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Not bloody likely. :-) Those who have bought into
TM being the highest teaching would never lower
themselves to try anything else.
If they're right,
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snip
Having practiced both styles of meditation, I can
attest to the fact that using certain styles of focused
or concentrative meditation,
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Not bloody likely. :-) Those who have bought
into
TM being the highest teaching would never
lower
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Vaj,
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On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
I also find that some
gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around
makes a
big
difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending.
At
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I see MMY as promulgating the idea that TM is the
highest teaching primarily to get us to be as
commited as possible to a sadhana.
I'm curious, do you happen to know which spiritual group promulgates
the idea
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I see MMY as promulgating the idea that TM is the
highest teaching primarily to get us to be as
commited as possible to a sadhana.
I'm curious, do you happen to know which spiritual group
promulgatesthe idea that it's the second highest
teaching?AlexROF
-My extrapolation would be.
Which of these highs is the highest? Of religions I want the heroin. The
only problem is is there also a huge jones, and what does
10:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Laxity, was: For Vaj
Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras
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On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I also
find that some gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just
mess around
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I'm curious, do you happen to know which spiritual group promulgates
the idea that it's the second highest teaching?
Alex
Funny. But ...
John the Baptist -- preparing the way.
Even today, some new agey groups
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Funny. But ...
John the Baptist -- preparing the way.
snip
Do we actually know John the Baptist's take on the whole thing? I am
only
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I have no authoritative knowledge of J the B. You should have asked
Charlie - he, among others, proclaimed to be J the B. I believe. Or
was it M being J the B, with SBS being JC. Too many stories for me.
(Charlie did
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Not quite that simple :-) In the final stages it is possible
to
On Jun 26, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
I tend to agree with you about TM and torpor; this is part of why I
quit the practice in 1982, the larger part being there was nowhere
to go anymore. This latter understanding makes me wonder a bit
about your statement about transcending ...
On Jun 26, 2005, at 12:41 AM, sparaig wrote:
Did you get to see the EEG of Ken Wilber I posted a while back?
Yes I did. Do you want me to ask EEG experts to comment on what it
shows?
Already shared it with one, thanks.
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On Jun 26, 2005, at 9:59 AM, authfriend wrote:
Wow, I never heard that the absence of thoughts
in TM indicates an absence of progress. Is
that something MMY says that I've somehow managed
to miss?
Yeah, whatever happened to the gap gets bigger and bigger?
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Many thanks for your reply, Vaj. Yes, this all sounds pretty familiar,
except for your phrase such a high level -- here is certainly not
high; I feel exactly the same as before I ever started on any path. I
mean *complete* ordinariness; ignorance even -- the only real
difference being a simple
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On Jun 26, 2005, at 9:59 AM, authfriend wrote:
Wow, I never heard that the absence of thoughts
in TM indicates an absence of progress. Is
that something MMY says that I've somehow managed
to miss?
Yeah, whatever
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ok, my question to Vaj had more to do with questioning the
practical
benefit of sitting as you say in samadhi for however long. I
understand
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On Jun 26, 2005, at 12:41 AM, sparaig wrote:
Did you get to see the EEG of Ken Wilber I posted a while back?
Yes I did. Do you want me to ask EEG experts to comment on what it
shows?
Already shared it with one,
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On Jun 26, 2005, at 9:59 AM, authfriend wrote:
Wow, I never heard that the absence of thoughts
in TM indicates an absence of progress. Is
that something MMY says that I've somehow managed
to miss?
Yeah, whatever
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Wow, I never heard that the absence of
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Wow, I never heard that the absence of thoughts
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Wow, I never heard that the absence of
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yeah but I never said what he is alluding to, that an absence of
thoughts is indicative of a lack of progress during TM. I'm not
sure where he got the idea, but it wasn't from me.
In my reply above I was just
on 6/25/05 9:49 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be interesting to hear others experiences in the area of TM
and laxity.
Well, aside from the advice given that people who find themselves sleeping a
lot during TM
should sleep more BEFORE TM?
BTW, I go through periods
On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
I also find that some
gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around makes a
big
difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending.
At Estes Park, M quoted the Vedas as saying, Be easy to us with gentle
effort.
on 6/25/05 12:35 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
I also find that some
gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around makes a
big
difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending.
At Estes Park, M quoted
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on 6/25/05 9:49 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be interesting to hear others experiences in the area
of TM
and laxity.
Well, aside from the advice given that people who find themselves
Vaj wrote:
On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
I also find that some
gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around makes a
big
difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending.
At Estes Park, M quoted the Vedas as saying, Be easy to us with gentle
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on 6/25/05 12:35 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
I also find that some
gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around
makes a
big
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Vaj wrote:
On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
I also find that some
gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around
makes a
big
difference in terms of clarity and frequency of
On Jun 25, 2005, at 1:53 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
Amma emphasizes mindfulness too. This always puzzled me because I'm so
indoctrinated with the natural tendency of the mind idea, but in
light of
my own experience, it makes sense. If I'm tired, sometimes it's best
to just
lean back and let
On Jun 25, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Doing japa with a mala or counting with the fingers often helps
mindfulness and increases the intensity of the meditation.
I couldn't agree more.
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on 6/25/05 1:11 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sitting upright (if comfortable) during TM was always encouraged
IIRC. If your definition of Gentle effort is to start meditation in
an upright position (if possible), and to resume the upright position
when you find that you have
on 6/25/05 1:12 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doing japa with a mala or counting with the fingers often helps
mindfulness and increases the intensity of the meditation.
But is not TM...
No, but I've seen Maharishi practice it many times, and Guru Dev used to
advise the practice.
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on 6/25/05 1:11 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sitting upright (if comfortable) during TM was always encouraged
IIRC. If your definition of Gentle effort is to start meditation
in
an upright position (if
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on 6/25/05 1:12 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doing japa with a mala or counting with the fingers often helps
mindfulness and increases the intensity of the meditation.
But is not TM...
No, but
On Jun 25, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
on 6/25/05 1:12 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doing japa with a mala or counting with the fingers often helps
mindfulness and increases the intensity of the meditation.
But is not TM...
No, but I've seen Maharishi practice it many
How can you use a mala for divination?
Ingegerd
A mala blessed by your teacher is great support for practice. Plus
you
can use it for divination.
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on 6/25/05 1:12 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doing japa with a mala or counting with the fingers often helps
mindfulness and increases the intensity of the meditation.
But is not TM...
No, but
sparaig wrote:
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Vaj wrote:
On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
I also find that some
gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around
makes a
big
difference in
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on 6/25/05 1:12 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doing japa with a mala or counting with the fingers often helps
mindfulness and increases the intensity
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Doing japa with a mala or counting with the fingers often helps
mindfulness and increases
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Doing japa with a mala
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On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
I also find that some
gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around
makes a
big
difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending.
At
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sparaig wrote:
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Vaj wrote:
[...]
Doing japa with a mala or counting with the fingers often helps
mindfulness and increases the intensity of
on 6/25/05 3:02 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No. just going from bead to bead with his thumb. Obviously an old
habit.
Sure, but notice several people here think its a good thing to add to
*TM* practice...
I wouldn't add it *to* the practice but it may be a good adjunct for
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Vaj wrote:
[...]
Doing japa with a mala or counting with the
fingers
Comment below:
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on 6/25/05 1:12 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doing japa with a mala or counting with the fingers often helps
mindfulness and increases the intensity of the meditation.
But is not
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on 6/25/05 1:12 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doing
One usually receives a transmission into the practice. It usually
involves coming up with a series of numbers on the mala after using a
specific mantra and then interpreting that pattern.
On Jun 25, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Ingegerd wrote:
How can you use a mala for divination?
Ingegerd
A mala
On Jun 25, 2005, at 4:06 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
Vaj, reading over your words, you make TM sound so difficult,
arduous even, if done correctly. I initially understood it to be a
stress release technique, and still do it as such. I had a job
recently where I awakened at 4:30am for a 60 mile
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On Jun 25, 2005, at 4:06 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
Vaj, reading over your words, you make TM sound so difficult,
arduous even, if done correctly. I initially understood it to be a
stress release technique, and still do it
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On Jun 25, 2005, at 4:06 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
Vaj, reading over your words, you make TM sound
so difficult,
arduous even, if done correctly. I initially
understood it to
On Jun 25, 2005, at 8:20 PM, sparaig wrote:
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On Jun 25, 2005, at 4:06 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
Vaj, reading over your words, you make TM sound so difficult,
arduous even, if done correctly. I initially understood it to be a
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On Jun 25, 2005, at 4:06 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
Vaj, reading over your words, you make TM sound so
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Vaj, reading
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Vaj, reading over your words, you make TM sound so
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On Jun 25, 2005, at 4:06 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
Vaj,
On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:19 PM, sparaig wrote:
Not quite that simple :-) In the final stages it is possible to
transcend for four hours at a time, effortlessly. One sits
down,
decides how long they will meditate and finishes when they intend
to.
And you have documentation of this?
Well
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On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:19 PM, sparaig wrote:
Not quite that simple :-) In the final stages it is possible to
transcend for four hours at a time, effortlessly. One sits
down,
decides how long they will meditate and
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