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Ever heard the crow-and-the-coconut analogy? It
appears in many Indian and Tibetan teachings.
The seeker is hangin' out, just Being, and a
crow
Bill Clinton'll be speaking today here:
http://www.tampere-talo.fi/english/
It's about a mile away from where this
sucker lives. Interesting to see whether
his possible aura will be detectable! :D
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Do you guys ever think you might have a tad too much
pitta in your systems? I've never seen such petty
arguing in my life.
Thanks
Yes Yes, modern technology should be used. The Super-Massive Black-Hole in the centre of the Galaxy also should be included in the Jyotish calculations. Now you know it's position..!! Qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 03:40:26 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
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Is this anything like the New Math, Bob?
Sal
"From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory" is a military paper on psychological warfare, written by Lt. Col. Michael Aquino and Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980. It was sent, writes Aquino, "to various governmental offices, agencies, commands and publications involved or interested in
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Do you guys ever think you might have a tad too much
On May 9, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:
From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory is a military
paper on psychological warfare, written by Lt. Col. Michael Aquino
and Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980. It was sent, writes Aquino, to
various governmental offices, agencies,
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On May 9, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:
From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory is a
military paper on psychological warfare, written by Lt.
Col. Michael Aquino and Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980. It
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Bill Clinton'll be speaking today here:
http://www.tampere-talo.fi/english/
It's about a mile away from where this
sucker lives. Interesting to see whether
his possible aura will be detectable! :D
At least
on 5/9/06 8:25 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Satanist, schmatinist..the realities of modern warfare
are even more chilling when supposedly *sane* people
are discussing them and considering nuclear warfare
a feasible option. The other night the Arte channel
here played a 1965
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Europeans for hundreds of centuries could not distinguish between
planets and stars -- they were simply mysterious objects in the sky.
If Jyotish sages did not know the difference, many thousands of years
ago,
Title: Bob Liatunik
Robert Liatunick, 1948-2006
Dear Meditating Community,
I am so sorry to tell you my brother, Robert Liatunick, passed away on Thursday, May 4 in Pittsburgh, Pa. after a short (but seemingly long) bout with liver cancer which he wanted to keep private. Since 1973 he had
On May 9, 2006, at 9:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Satanist, schmatinist..the realities of modern warfare
are even more chilling when supposedly *sane* people
are discussing them and considering nuclear warfare
a feasible option
Well the difference in this case is the neutron bombs is/was
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On May 9, 2006, at 9:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Satanist, schmatinist..the realities of modern warfare
are even more chilling when supposedly *sane* people
are discussing them and considering nuclear warfare
a feasible
On May 9, 2006, at 11:32 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
One was a fellow who, when the Labs that have the worst
record in the country for handling nuclear materials were
given the green light after 9/11 to build a multi-billion
dollar Bioweapons Lab, was told to report to his new
assignment, and
No...not MMY. Another enlightened leader is now saying the same thing:
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran
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No...not MMY. Another enlightened leader is now saying the same
thing:
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran
Puts MMY in good company, doesn't it?
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For the people who said nice things, or listened to my music, thanks!
I knew many interesting people in the movement.
Having pursued TM's programs intensely for 15 years, I gave it a fair
shot. My break with the movement was in 1989, the same year I started
playing guitar to back my harp.
Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did either,
even though he lived and traveled in it so long.
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Thanks for an honest reply, Curtis. I hope your new (well, not really new at this point) life gives you much enjoyment.
And, FWIW, I agreed with most of what you said over on ATM and didn't really understand all the flak tossed your way. Sorry about the bowtie comment--but I still think you
I'd say he got it only too well--gullible Westerners/Americans looking for a daddy-replacement in their lives will buy anything, no matter how loony-sounding.
Sal
On May 9, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did either,
even though
Thanks Sal.
but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)
There goes the last bit of my street cred!
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I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be
in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some
TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real
power over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone,
can either of them
on 5/9/06 2:05 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be
in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some
TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real
power over the
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I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be
in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some
TBs that
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Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did
either,
even though he lived and traveled in it so long.
I agree...and it was only to the extent that he did in an honest and
innocent way did it
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Thanks Sal.
but I still think you look a bit like Tucker. :)
There goes the last bit of my street cred!
Curtis:
I knew you only in passing when we were at MIU together ('75 to '79)
but I do remember
In the Photos section you have posted two photos of
MMY's girlfriends.
What I find interesting is that you named both of them -- fully --
both first and last name.
Isn't that something new on your part? If I remember correctly, in
earlier references that you have made to both of them the
The first person ever to place the saxophone at
the very centre of a pop group has died. Quite
sad, really. A lot of old U.S. rockers have been
turning up here for comeback tours. Not so, these
guys.
Well done, that man. Blow your horn for God.
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Thanks for the note. I remember those Forest Academy talent shows
fondly. They helped me keep my harp chops up.
Kind words about looking young. My show is so physically demanding
that I have to train for it hard. Harp playing is probably some
obscure version of Pranayama!
Of course spending
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The first person ever to place the saxophone at
the very centre of a pop group has died. Quite
sad, really. A lot of old U.S. rockers have been
turning up here for comeback tours. Not so, these
guys.
Well done,
Curtis: were you the one, while you were at MIU, who went out with
that initiator from Alaska? I think she was the one who later on
went out with Steve Bernhardt...
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Thanks for the note. I remember those
Scientology nearly ready to unveil Super Power
In the works for decades, the closely guarded spiritual training
program will be revealed in Clearwater.
By ROBERT FARLEY, Times Staff Writer
Published May 6, 2006
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snip
This post got my attention: I suspect he's a person of extremes:
from pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied
executive type to grubby street musician...
With my clean-cut picture on
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The comment by the person who felt my music was soulless is literally
true. I have no soul.
I think I said it sounds a *bit* soulless. I was comparing
it to, say, John Lee Hooker, Lightnin' Hopkins (sp?),
I just saw her last year. If you don't mind let's email on this
topic. I don't want to bring up someone's name publicly. Poor Steve!
I liked him a lot. He was so far ahead of his time on the movement
perspective. Sorry to see him go.
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This post got my attention: I suspect he's a person of
extremes:
from pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up
I just saw a new movie called Water from the same woman who did Fire a few years ago.
Water is incredible, about the life of widows in India during the 1930's as Ghandi was
becoming known. We were all fairly speechless for about an hour after the movie ended.
The juxtaposition of religous
After Maharishi reaches Samadhi, The Girish group needs Dr.Nader and Dr.Hagelin who have the Spiritual-Intellectual base to keep bringing in the Cash-flow. After Maharishi, Dr.Nader and Dr.Hagelin are the only Cash-Cows left. Without them I don't' see how the organisation would function.
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It's a fine and honorable role, Curtis, but it
*is* a role. I mean, just for one obvious thing,
you're a white guy.
What makes you think
If those excellent players are your standard you know your blues! To
be fair you need to hear me play drunk since each of those players
were legendary for playing toasted!
Sonny Boy II is my favorite harp player. I like him much better than
Little Walter. My harp style was influenced by Sonny
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It's a fine and honorable role, Curtis, but it
*is* a role. I
We talking about Steve's ex here? How's she doing?
What's she doing?
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I just saw her last year. If you don't mind let's email on this
topic. I don't want to bring up someone's name publicly. Poor Steve!
I liked him a lot. He was so far ahead of his time on the
Have you seen the Witch-Hunting that still goes on in remote parts of India.? There was a program on National-Geographic on this. The Astonishing Parallel between the medival European Witch-Hunting, was this Only Old Widows who had property, but Nobody to defendthem orprotect them
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We talking about Steve's ex here?
...not Steve's ex-wife, but someone who I thought went out with both
Steve and Curtis (she's from Alaska originally...her Dad was some
sort of pioneer type)...
How's
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Have you seen the Witch-Hunting that still goes on in remote
parts of India.? There was a program on National-Geographic on this.
The Astonishing Parallel between the medival European Witch-
Hunting, was
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The first person ever to place the saxophone at
the very centre of a pop group has died. Quite
sad, really. A lot of old U.S. rockers
The Word Planet means Wanderer. The Ancient Greeks could distinguish between Planets and Stars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy MarkMeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:38:09 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New JyotishHindus did make many
Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an
important experience for me. There were times when I felt
misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was the
reason I kept at it so long. It was incredibly useful for me to
articulate my thoughts about the movement
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No...not MMY. Another enlightened leader is now saying the same
thing:
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran
Puts MMY in good
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The Word Planet means Wanderer. The Ancient Greeks could
distinguish between Planets and Stars.
Of course they could. And so could farmers and
sailors, anyone who needed to pay close attention
to the sky night after
I loved Rocking Goose! I remember it well. Round about 1960 or 1961,
right, Uns?
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The first person ever to place the saxophone at
the very
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No...not MMY. Another enlightened leader is now saying
on 5/9/06 3:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the Photos section you have posted two photos of
MMY's girlfriends.
What I find interesting is that you named both of them -- fully --
both first and last name.
Isn't that something new on your part? If I remember
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I'd say he got it only too well--gullible Westerners/Americans looking
for a daddy-replacement in their lives will buy anything, no matter how
loony-sounding.
Sal
On May 9, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Rick Archer
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on 5/9/06 3:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the Photos section you have posted two photos of
MMY's girlfriends.
What I find interesting is that you named both of them -- fully -
-
both
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Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an
important experience for me. There were times when I felt
misunderstood and very frustrated, but that stressful dynamic was
the reason I kept at
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The Word Planet means Wanderer. The Ancient Greeks could
distinguish between Planets and Stars.
Of course they could. And so could farmers
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We talking about Steve's ex here? How's she doing?
What's she doing?
Wasn't that Nancy such and such. Didn't she marry Tom Kirkendall.
Does any one know how he, she, they are doing?
lurk
To
on 5/9/06 7:02 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's MORE than just these two?
There are many more. You've read the Sexy Sadie file?
How many others and how did you hear about them?
I know the names of about 5 others, and have spoken to two of them. I have
also heard
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Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an
important experience for me. There were times when I felt
misunderstood and very
on 5/9/06 8:56 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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We talking about Steve's ex here? How's she doing?
What's she doing?
Wasn't that Nancy such and such. Didn't she marry Tom Kirkendall.
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May 13th!
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Nice to hear from you Judy. I look back on the AMT days as an
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It is respectful, insightful, balanced and truthful. Secretary of
State Rice betrays her wish for 'wargasm' (vs. orgasm) at her and
our country's peril.
You really think Ahmadinejad's letter has that much
Beautiful film, probably the best of the trilogy. I hope she goes on to
do Air and Space (akasha). Sri Lanka was standing in for India
because Mehta got run out of India by fundie Hindus when she tried to
shoot the film in Varanasi. Her first husband Paul Saltzman was with
Maharishi and the
on 5/9/06 9:44 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl
is what he ended up with.
But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM,
wasn't he?
Probably he had. Then he found one in abandoning it. He seemed to be saying
that he found value in
Yup. Thanks Rick.
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He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl
is what he ended up with.
But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM,
wasn't
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on 5/9/06 9:44 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He's certainly convinced himself that a pearl
is what he ended up with.
But then he was sure he'd found a pearl in TM,
wasn't he?
Probably he
I don't know Rick--this strikes me as awfully close to profiteering from the misery of others.
Sal
On May 9, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
Five merchants are donating substantial sales profits from Saturday sales
to Women For Women,
the fundraising campaign for the Crisis
Why would this female wait til MMY has dropped his body to publish a book about this? Is
there something he could refute/defend, like the fact that he was not her boyfriend and
just her Guru? HELLO! Geez, what people will do for a buck! And oh, by the way,
, couldn't she be
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It is respectful, insightful, balanced and truthful. Secretary
of
State Rice betrays her wish for 'wargasm' (vs. orgasm) at her
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on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And with this analysis, it's apparent that you
haven't changed a bit since then.
Have you?
Too bad.
What's bad about it? He was paying you a
A spiritual movement is driven from the depth of the
realization of its founder/guru. When MMY goes the
whole movement turns to an empty shell. No big deal.
the way of Brahman.
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After Maharishi reaches Samadhi, The Girish
group needs Dr.Nader and
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I did notice that he wasn't doing a 'compare and contrast' thing
between his job and Bush's. However his overall tone was both
truthful and respectful in my opinion.
I wasn't commenting on anything more
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on 5/9/06 7:18 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
And with this analysis, it's apparent that you
haven't changed a bit since
on 5/9/06 10:43 PM, mahdeealoo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would this female wait til MMY has dropped his body to publish a book
about this?
I don't know. Maybe she doesn't want to embarrass him? She says she loves
him and that the book won't be a slam.
Is
there something he could
Judy,
You are giving me too much credit in two ways.
Too much credit for being clever.
Too much credit for being an asshole.
I will post more tomorrow but this sums it up.
Snarky is a fantastic word, and anytime snarky is used,
John Stewart and Steven Colbert get a boner.
Snarky is the
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Why would this female wait til MMY has dropped his body to publish
a book about this? Is
there something he could refute/defend, like the fact that he was
not her boyfriend and
just her Guru? HELLO! Geez,
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on 5/9/06 10:43 PM, mahdeealoo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would this female wait til MMY has dropped his body to
publish a book
about this?
I don't know. Maybe she doesn't want to embarrass him? She
Are any of the 5+ women that you cite claiming that he took
advantage of them, abused them in any way, or did things to them
against their will?
Doesn't that seem like a pretty low bar for a spiritual master? I
mean gosh, I make this grade, even by Judy's perspective of me.
You guys rock! I
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Are any of the 5+ women that you cite claiming that he took
advantage of them, abused them in any way, or did things to them
against their will?
Doesn't that seem like a pretty low bar for a spiritual
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