Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

[gary]

OK, here we go.

The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a 
negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can be 
adopted without the chance of FIV.  We all know that MOST kittens who test 
positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months  of age.

For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affected by the age of the 
kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) however, it can 
take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable level after 
exposure.  Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks.  The vet is 
just trying to avoid a false negative.

Unfortunately, there has not been enough study done to know just how much 
exposure and for what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat.  An 
article in Shelter Medicine says, "FeLV can be spread transplacentally from 
mother to offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more common."  
http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml

They don't reference any data for that.  Sort of leaves you in a tough place if 
you have a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the kittens already have it, 
or do you snatch them away as soon as they are born so they don't get it from 
milk or grooming? 

Hope that helps.

Gary 
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens


  i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong:

  there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age, 
because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will show 
their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then.

  is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV, 
which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned above 
then say 3 months is the best age? 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

[Belinda Sauro]

  Bailey was on the other name for the procrit, it is epogen.  
Bailey bacame anemic and we did a bone marrow aspirate and tested for 
hemobartonella.  I had him on doxy even though he tested negative.  He 
had precancerous cells in his marrow and the oncologist my vet consulted 
with, he was her mentor in vet school, said to put him on epogen and a 
fairly high dose of prednisolone, where I live it is a bit cheaper than 
procrit.  His HCT went down before it went up, we started the epogen 
when it was 18%, it went to 15%, then started going up.  When he passed 
from undiagnosed pancreatic cancer, his HCT was still normal at 32% or 33%.

It is normally dosed at 3 times a week to start, with the cat being 
carefully monitored to make sure it doesn't go up too quickly.  It took 
6 weeks for Bailey's HCT to go from 15% to 40%, once it got to 40% we 
spread the dose to once a week, that kept it at 32% to 34% which is 
normal.  It is fairly common for the HCT to go down and can take up to 3 
weeks, with some cats even longer, before it goes up.

We did every test we could think of to find the cancer we suspected, my 
vet didn't feel comfortable treating for cancer without knowing what 
kind or where.  We never found it, it was upon his death we found out 
what and where.

If you don't do something quickly Buzzy will die, if he is having 
breathing problems he is in extreme danger.  I lost my Frankie to this 
when he started breathing funny I took him to the vet, his HCT was 6%, 
my then vet didn't express to me how dangerous this or how close to 
death he was, so I took him home to decide whether or not to do the 
transfusion, he died that night.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

[Debbie Harrison]

I know I am totally too late here to make any difference, but myToken had a pcv 
equally low...and with serious steroid treatments (plous other meds and rx 
food) he recoveredholding Buzz and his mom in my prayers.Debbie (COL)"You 
gotta bloom where you're planted!"> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:37:55 -0400> 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] 
Buzzy is Anemic> > Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 
30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a 
transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also 
has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into 
optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful 
procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are 
doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

[vleugel]

I believe you can look into Procrit.  There is another brand for it but I 
cannot remember the name right now.   It is expensive and must be administered 
in tiny doses with a syringe sub cutaneously but I had my cat on it years ago 
that had FIV and it really brought her back to life.  Ask your vet about this.  
The medicine can be purchased for the least expensive price through Costco - at 
least, that was true about 3 years ago.  It comes in a 1 ml vial that you 
should be able to spread over 6 - 7 days.  

I don't think you would have any luck with iron tablets.  B-6 can be given in 
an injection for the best results and cannot be overdosed.  That is an 
inexpensive solution until the anemia gets so bad you must try something like 
the Procrit to keep your kitty feeling well.

The most important thing is asking a really qualified vet who knows a lot about 
anemia.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[MaryChristine]

yeah, i know about the referring here and there--sometimes, especially when
money is so tight everywhere, that's the best we can do. but SOMEPLACE, you
will find the right answer...

try our site--it takes a LONG time to load, so people sometimes think it's
broken... www.neuterspay.org. under find low-cost resourcesthere's a
programming glitch, so don't try by city, just by state -- there are a LOT
of california entries, but i think (maybe?) they're by zipcode so you can
scroll down to the appropriate ones?


On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Sharon Harden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Thanx MC, Great idea.
>
>
>
> Everyone that i have called refers me to someone else.They are asking $60
> for trap rental.
>
> I live in central Calif near Fresno so if there is anyone around here that
> can give me info on no kill shelters or help with TNR program thats cost
> effective it would sure be apprciated. Theres 1 little black ball of Fuzz
> thats lets me get close she already has me by the heartstrings. But the
> bigger ones scurry as soon as the patio door opens.
>
> Again Thanx for all the help.
>
>
>
> Warm Regards, Sharon
> --- On *Fri, 7/25/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 1:33 PM
>
>
>  yep, gesine is a great resource for lots of things.
>
> one thing i learned when i was TRYING to do an up-to-date database of
> national low-cost spay/neuter programs is that they change literally from
> week to week, often as funding becomes available. so keep checking with the
> places near you--and call the shelters and ask about new programs--we had a
> local grant here that no one even KNEW about. and as silly as this
> sounds, there's a shelter somewhere in the southern states that funds its
> entire spay/neuter program with bottle returns. ask your family, your
> friends, your neighors to just let you take back their bottles to fund
> taking care of the colony.. it adds up really fast--find people like me
> who will literally GIVE AWAY my bottles to avoid having to have them clutter
> up my house. i don't have a car, so it's worth it to me to pay someone,
> essentially, 10 cents each to get rid of them!
>
> make up a sign and stick in on a big container: cans for the cats it's
> so simple and it has worked before..
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Sharon Harden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>>   Thanx Diane,
>>
>>  I am corresponding with Gesine. Have gotten some great info from this
>> group.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had taken Trix and Tink to SPCA (only because i am not working yet)  for
>> spay and neuter and have since found out that they dont test for Felv.They
>> had Rabies and Fiv shots there, but me not being knowlegable, I thought Fiv
>> shot was for felv. I am now trying to learn and asking many more questions.
>> Trix and Tink were found in field not of the same mother, so now I am
>> thinking Trix might already have been positive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Warm regards, Sharon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 7/25/08, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>
>> From: Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:58 AM
>>
>>
>>  Unfortunately, not all vets are current on the latest thinking on such
>> "death sentence" diseases as FeLV and FIV.  It's so important to find one
>> who is knowledgeable and willing to work with a kitty through its various
>> issues.  There are many knowledgeable and supportive vets out there, and
>> often the ones who are not knowledgeable welcome any info you can give them,
>> so don't be discouraged.  If this vet persists in her "he must be suffering"
>> viewpoint it might be good to shop around.
>>
>> Good luck with "your" ferals.  In case you haven't come across it,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a wonderful resource.  Some of the members
>> can be a little hard-line about some things, but the files section of the
>> web page is a treasure trove of good info on trapping, vetting and other
>> aspects of feral caretaking.  Many of them are working with little or no
>> money themselves.  The co-listmom, Gesine, gives great down-to-earth advice.
>>
>> Diane R.
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Harden
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 10:40 AM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>>
>>Thanx Tonya,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been on the internet to many sites that have been very informative
>> and am going to try to find help with the colony around my home.
>>
>> This was a new vet I went to and am now going to ask more questions. Being
>> new to felv i didnt know much. I took her word that he was suffering and
>> would only get worse.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a little hard for me at this time because i lost m

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Sharon Harden]

Thanx MC, Great idea.
 
Everyone that i have called refers me to someone else.They are asking $60 for 
trap rental.
I live in central Calif near Fresno so if there is anyone around here that can 
give me info on no kill shelters or help with TNR program thats cost 
effective it would sure be apprciated. Theres 1 little black ball of Fuzz thats 
lets me get close she already has me by the heartstrings. But the bigger ones 
scurry as soon as the patio door opens.
Again Thanx for all the help.
 
Warm Regards, Sharon
--- On Fri, 7/25/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 1:33 PM



yep, gesine is a great resource for lots of things.

one thing i learned when i was TRYING to do an up-to-date database of national 
low-cost spay/neuter programs is that they change literally from week to week, 
often as funding becomes available. so keep checking with the places near 
you--and call the shelters and ask about new programs--we had a local grant 
here that no one even KNEW about. and as silly as this sounds, there's a 
shelter somewhere in the southern states that funds its entire spay/neuter 
program with bottle returns. ask your family, your friends, your neighors to 
just let you take back their bottles to fund taking care of the colony.. it 
adds up really fast--find people like me who will literally GIVE AWAY my 
bottles to avoid having to have them clutter up my house. i don't have a 
car, so it's worth it to me to pay someone, essentially, 10 cents each to get 
rid of them! 

make up a sign and stick in on a big container: cans for the cats it's so 
simple and it has worked before..




On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Sharon Harden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






Thanx Diane, 
 I am corresponding with Gesine. Have gotten some great info from this group.
 
I had taken Trix and Tink to SPCA (only because i am not working yet)  for spay 
and neuter and have since found out that they dont test for Felv.They had 
Rabies and Fiv shots there, but me not being knowlegable, I thought Fiv 
shot was for felv. I am now trying to learn and asking many more questions. 
Trix and Tink were found in field not of the same mother, so now I am thinking 
Trix might already have been positive.
 
Warm regards, Sharon
 


--- On Fri, 7/25/08, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:58 AM






Unfortunately, not all vets are current on the latest thinking on such "death 
sentence" diseases as FeLV and FIV.  It's so important to find one who is 
knowledgeable and willing to work with a kitty through its various issues.  
There are many knowledgeable and supportive vets out there, and often the ones 
who are not knowledgeable welcome any info you can give them, so don't be 
discouraged.  If this vet persists in her "he must be suffering" viewpoint it 
might be good to shop around.  
 
Good luck with "your" ferals.  In case you haven't come across it, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] is a wonderful resource.  Some of the members can be a little 
hard-line about some things, but the files section of the web page is a 
treasure trove of good info on trapping, vetting and other aspects of feral 
caretaking.  Many of them are working with little or no money themselves.  The 
co-listmom, Gesine, gives great down-to-earth advice.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Harden
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)







Thanx Tonya,
 
I have been on the internet to many sites that have been very informative and 
am going to try to find help with the colony around my home.
This was a new vet I went to and am now going to ask more questions. Being new 
to felv i didnt know much. I took her word that he was suffering and would only 
get worse.
 
It's a little hard for me at this time because i lost my job so finances are 
low. But I am trying to find help so this doesnt happen again.
 
The feralcat group at yahoo has been very helpful about tnr if i can find a vet 
who will help me, since i am not working and have the time to do it.
 
Again Thanx so much for your support.
 
Sharon


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From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:22 AM



Be sure to really check around.  My sister is in North Carolina and they have 
TNR program that cost only like 15 dollars per spay and neuter.  Good luck.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[MaryChristine]

yep, gesine is a great resource for lots of things.

one thing i learned when i was TRYING to do an up-to-date database of
national low-cost spay/neuter programs is that they change literally from
week to week, often as funding becomes available. so keep checking with the
places near you--and call the shelters and ask about new programs--we had a
local grant here that no one even KNEW about. and as silly as this
sounds, there's a shelter somewhere in the southern states that funds its
entire spay/neuter program with bottle returns. ask your family, your
friends, your neighors to just let you take back their bottles to fund
taking care of the colony.. it adds up really fast--find people like me
who will literally GIVE AWAY my bottles to avoid having to have them clutter
up my house. i don't have a car, so it's worth it to me to pay someone,
essentially, 10 cents each to get rid of them!

make up a sign and stick in on a big container: cans for the cats it's
so simple and it has worked before..



On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Sharon Harden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Thanx Diane,
>
>  I am corresponding with Gesine. Have gotten some great info from this
> group.
>
>
>
> I had taken Trix and Tink to SPCA (only because i am not working yet)  for
> spay and neuter and have since found out that they dont test for Felv.They
> had Rabies and Fiv shots there, but me not being knowlegable, I thought Fiv
> shot was for felv. I am now trying to learn and asking many more questions.
> Trix and Tink were found in field not of the same mother, so now I am
> thinking Trix might already have been positive.
>
>
>
> Warm regards, Sharon
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/25/08, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> From: Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:58 AM
>
>
>  Unfortunately, not all vets are current on the latest thinking on such
> "death sentence" diseases as FeLV and FIV.  It's so important to find one
> who is knowledgeable and willing to work with a kitty through its various
> issues.  There are many knowledgeable and supportive vets out there, and
> often the ones who are not knowledgeable welcome any info you can give them,
> so don't be discouraged.  If this vet persists in her "he must be suffering"
> viewpoint it might be good to shop around.
>
> Good luck with "your" ferals.  In case you haven't come across it,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a wonderful resource.  Some of the members
> can be a little hard-line about some things, but the files section of the
> web page is a treasure trove of good info on trapping, vetting and other
> aspects of feral caretaking.  Many of them are working with little or no
> money themselves.  The co-listmom, Gesine, gives great down-to-earth advice.
>
> Diane R.
>
>  --
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Harden
> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 10:40 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>Thanx Tonya,
>
>
>
> I have been on the internet to many sites that have been very informative
> and am going to try to find help with the colony around my home.
>
> This was a new vet I went to and am now going to ask more questions. Being
> new to felv i didnt know much. I took her word that he was suffering and
> would only get worse.
>
>
>
> It's a little hard for me at this time because i lost my job so finances
> are low. But I am trying to find help so this doesnt happen again.
>
>
>
> The feralcat group at yahoo has been very helpful about tnr if i can find a
> vet who will help me, since i am not working and have the time to do it.
>
>
>
> Again Thanx so much for your support.
>
>
>
> Sharon
>
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/25/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:22 AM
>
>  Be sure to really check around.  My sister is in North Carolina and they
> have TNR program that cost only like 15 dollars per spay and neuter.  Good
> luck.
> t
>
> *Sharon Harde*
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

[Sharyl]

The concern with giving iron to a cat who doesn't need it is the effects of 
iron build up.  The B vitamins including folic acid are water soluble and 
really can't be overdosed.  The same is not true for iron.  In layman 
terms there are issues giving iron to a cat with a infection.  Infections feed 
on iron so the body sequesters the iron.  You don't want to make it harder for 
the body to fight off the infection.  Please understand I do not have a medical 
background.
Sharyl

--- On Fri, 7/25/08, Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 12:53 PM

I was curious about the mention of wishing cats could take iron...so 
searched the web and found this:

Some veterinarians recommend giving a cat iron supplements, not as a cure, 
but rather as a preventative to ensure the production of healthy red blood 
cells. Certain steroids can help in stimulating the appetite and there are 
also drugs that appear to stimulate the production of erythropoietin.

It was part of an article on feline anemia written by a Donna Reynolds. 
Just thought it was interesting.


- Original Message - 
From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "FeLV Talk" 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic


> Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30.  She gave 
> him a steriod shot.  She says we could choose to give him a transfusion 
> but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive.  He also has a 
> bad heart murmer.  Right now I am just trying to by time to look into 
> optiions.  I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful

> procedures just to buy a month or two.  They just don't understand why
you 
> are doing it to them.  Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic
humans 
> do?  So many questions...
> Thanks,
> Sue
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

[MaryChristine]

it used to be that if the queen was positive, all kittens were presumed to
be. likewise, if mom was negative, all kittens were presumed to be.

then mixed mom-and-litter combinations started showing up, and all sorts of
new theories were prosoed, and it's all up in the air again. from what can
gather, we really don't have a clue how mom can be one thing, and the
kittens either/or. maybe mom got pregnant late in the period while she was
throwing off the virus, and had already built up sufficient antibodies to
protect the kittens. maybe she was exposed LATE enough in the pregnancy that
the placental barrier was well established and the virus couldn't cross.
maybe it doesn't really cross the placental barrier at all, nor is
transmitted through the birth process itself--maybe it depends on hom many
positive aunties help with the kitten-raising and grooming. i've read all of
these suggestions in one place or another. we just don't know yet.

we don't know if the same 90-120 days that seems the safest interval for
retest (tho i've seen 60 given in some studies; i just don't trust it for
myself, because i've seen the higher number more often--if i got a second
positive test after only 60 days, i'd just retest in another 60 days anyway,
so.) is needed in kittens: with their immature immune systems, maybe 30
days is enough time--tho i hardly doubt it.

can you ask the vet who says 30 days to document it? theoretically, he must
be basing this recommendation on something, and asking him to show it to you
will make him look it up, and he just might find more up-to-date information
(or stuff that the rest of us need to have!). a GOOD vet will not hesitate
to do so, and either way, we get to build up our library of real references.

as for separating mom and babies, that never used to come up, because mom
and babies were always assumed to be the same. so a positive mom wasn't
taken away cuz her babies were just presumptively positive. i guess this is
why any pregnant cat coming into rescue needs to be tested BEFORE the babies
arrive, so that plans can be made--and kittens tested right away. i don't
know what the best choice is, here--i don't know if nursing positive kittens
can infect a negative wetnurse, tho if she's vaccinated, i'd say the
findings of no transmission to negatives would hold. this is just another
one we don't know nearly enough about--five years ago, there was no question
that a positive mom could ever have negative babies, or that any of her
positive babies could ever turn negative--they weren't even retested
(but neither were the adults, after all.)

sigh.

MC.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is what has confused me.
>
> 1.) If the feral queen is presumed positive, how long should you wait after
> separating the queen and kittens before testing the kittens?
>
> 2.) If the queen is positive, can the kittens, over time, 'throw off' the
> virus?
>
> 3.) If the 1st ELISA test is positive, how long should you wait before
> doing a follow up IFA test?
>
>
>
> I'm in a rural area.  No vets in my county.  The next county has 2 vet
> clinics.  One believes in PTS for any kitten that test positive and
> euthanizing the entire feral colony.  The other believes in ELISA retesting
> after 1 month.  PTS is out of the question for cats/kittens that appear to
> be healthy and one month just doesn't seem long enough.  So I rely on groups
> like this for guidance.
>
> Sharyl
>
>
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> From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 1:01 AM
>
>
>  i've never gotten a straight answer to this question, tho a recent
> article i read--remember, i'm in the process of compiling an up-to-date
> list, so i read things, save the links, and will go back and actually
> organize them later, so i DON'T have the links right now--said that, because
> of what the test tests, the antigens instead of antibodies, kittens can be
> tested at any age.
>
> if there's anyone who can explain this to those of us who are doing our
> best to be scientists when we really aren't, i know that i would appreciate
> it!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Could someone remind me of the age when testing kittens for Felv is. I
>> have some 8 week old kittens, Miss'Tache, Gilbert, Perry, and Eeyore,
>> born to a feral queen, queen is untested. My rescue group wants to test
>> them real soon.
>>
>> I also have former tom cat who has tested positive for Felv via a snap
>> test, he is in a different room from the kittens and from my cats. As of
>> right now he is not showing any symptoms. He is a sweetheart, I think he
>> is a dumped cat left to fend for himself.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

[MaryChristine]

i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong:

there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age,
because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will
show their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond)
then.

is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV,
which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned
above then say 3 months is the best age?



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>  What, exactly, is the question?  Do you want to know why you can test for
> FeLV at any age?
>
> Gary
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 12:01 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
>
> i've never gotten a straight answer to this question, tho a recent article
> i read--remember, i'm in the process of compiling an up-to-date list, so i
> read things, save the links, and will go back and actually organize them
> later, so i DON'T have the links right now--said that, because of what the
> test tests, the antigens instead of antibodies, kittens can be tested at any
> age.
>
> if there's anyone who can explain this to those of us who are doing our
> best to be scientists when we really aren't, i know that i would appreciate
> it!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Could someone remind me of the age when testing kittens for Felv is. I
>> have some 8 week old kittens, Miss'Tache, Gilbert, Perry, and Eeyore,
>> born to a feral queen, queen is untested. My rescue group wants to test
>> them real soon.
>>
>> I also have former tom cat who has tested positive for Felv via a snap
>> test, he is in a different room from the kittens and from my cats. As of
>> right now he is not showing any symptoms. He is a sweetheart, I think he
>> is a dumped cat left to fend for himself.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

[Belinda Sauro]

 Many things can cause anemia in positives and negatives, just 
because a cat is positive and becomes anemic doesn't mean the reason for 
it shouldn't be sought and treated.  One likely cause for a cat to 
become anemic is hemobartonella which is extremely difficult to test for 
... I know more than one cat that would be dead if their owner had not 
insisted on treating with doxocycline even when the test said more than 
once they were negative, I know one girl had to test her cat 5 times 
before they got a positive result, thank goodness the vet had the 
foresight to treat with doxy ... that cat is still alive.

Please ask your vet about doxy, it won't hurt if Buzzy is truly negative 
for hemobartonella but may well save his life if he is positive for it.

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[Sue Koren]

Please forgive my ignorance, but I thought it was just something that happens 
with FeLV+ kitties.  Isn't the FeLV the reason?
Sue

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   Did she bother to find out why his HCT was 8

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[Lynne]

I'm sorry to hear Buzz is not feeling well Sue and the fact he is anemic. 
Do you have any info about his platelet count?  His quick breathing could be 
due to the anemia.  My Boo had a heart murmer as does our 19 year old.  I 
never worried much about that.  Heck I have one too and it doesn't make a 
difference in my life.  My vet offered a blood transfusion even when we were 
in a hopeless situation and as I recall it wasn't that expensive a 
procedure. Before going to any extremes I would get a complete explanation 
of all of his blood work.  I remember when I showed this doc in the building 
Boos blood work he called his vet who told me to let him go.  Of course we 
didn't and spent several hundred dollars more trying to keep him alive.  I'm 
sorry to sound hopeless here but there are some instances where nothing will 
work.  I sometimes think we put BooBoo through hell trying to keep him alive 
and should not have.

Lynne
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic


> Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30.  She gave 
> him a steriod shot.  She says we could choose to give him a transfusion 
> but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive.  He also has a 
> bad heart murmer.  Right now I am just trying to by time to look into 
> optiions.  I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful 
> procedures just to buy a month or two.  They just don't understand why you 
> are doing it to them.  Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans
> do?  So many questions...
> Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

[Sharyl]

Sue, get a copy of the blood work and post the test results and lab ranges.  
Depending on the type of anemia there are things you can do.  There is a Yahoo 
Anemia group you can join.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/
 
A transfusion buys you time for a treatment plan to kick in.  I add a B super 
complex and folic acid to the canned food for my FeLV+ cats.  There is a 
supplement called NutriVed that can be purchased on line that also has iron.  
If Buzz has non-regenerative anemia you can give him epogen shots.  Anemia 
caused by Hemobartonella can be treated, I just don't know what is used.
 
The cost of a transfusion varies greatly.  You might want to check around.  It 
is my understating that receiving a transfusion is not painful.
Sharyl

--- On Fri, 7/25/08, Sue Koren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Sue Koren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
To: "FeLV Talk" 
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 12:37 PM

Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30.  She gave him a
steriod shot.  She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that
would only be a temporary fix and very expensive.  He also has a bad heart
murmer.  Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions.  I am
very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to
buy a month or two.  They just don't understand why you are doing it to
them.  Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do?  So many
questions...
Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

[Pat Kachur]

I was curious about the mention of wishing cats could take iron...so 
searched the web and found this:

Some veterinarians recommend giving a cat iron supplements, not as a cure, 
but rather as a preventative to ensure the production of healthy red blood 
cells. Certain steroids can help in stimulating the appetite and there are 
also drugs that appear to stimulate the production of erythropoietin.

It was part of an article on feline anemia written by a Donna Reynolds. 
Just thought it was interesting.


- Original Message - 
From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "FeLV Talk" 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic


> Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30.  She gave 
> him a steriod shot.  She says we could choose to give him a transfusion 
> but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive.  He also has a 
> bad heart murmer.  Right now I am just trying to by time to look into 
> optiions.  I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful 
> procedures just to buy a month or two.  They just don't understand why you 
> are doing it to them.  Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans 
> do?  So many questions...
> Thanks,
> Sue
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Sharon Harden]

Thanx Diane, 
 I am corresponding with Gesine. Have gotten some great info from this group.
 
I had taken Trix and Tink to SPCA (only because i am not working yet)  for spay 
and neuter and have since found out that they dont test for Felv.They had 
Rabies and Fiv shots there, but me not being knowlegable, I thought Fiv 
shot was for felv. I am now trying to learn and asking many more questions. 
Trix and Tink were found in field not of the same mother, so now I am thinking 
Trix might already have been positive.
 
Warm regards, Sharon
 


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From: Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:58 AM



Unfortunately, not all vets are current on the latest thinking on such "death 
sentence" diseases as FeLV and FIV.  It's so important to find one who is 
knowledgeable and willing to work with a kitty through its various issues.  
There are many knowledgeable and supportive vets out there, and often the ones 
who are not knowledgeable welcome any info you can give them, so don't be 
discouraged.  If this vet persists in her "he must be suffering" viewpoint it 
might be good to shop around.  
 
Good luck with "your" ferals.  In case you haven't come across it, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] is a wonderful resource.  Some of the members can be a little 
hard-line about some things, but the files section of the web page is a 
treasure trove of good info on trapping, vetting and other aspects of feral 
caretaking.  Many of them are working with little or no money themselves.  The 
co-listmom, Gesine, gives great down-to-earth advice.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Harden
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)







Thanx Tonya,
 
I have been on the internet to many sites that have been very informative and 
am going to try to find help with the colony around my home.
This was a new vet I went to and am now going to ask more questions. Being new 
to felv i didnt know much. I took her word that he was suffering and would only 
get worse.
 
It's a little hard for me at this time because i lost my job so finances are 
low. But I am trying to find help so this doesnt happen again.
 
The feralcat group at yahoo has been very helpful about tnr if i can find a vet 
who will help me, since i am not working and have the time to do it.
 
Again Thanx so much for your support.
 
Sharon


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From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:22 AM



Be sure to really check around.  My sister is in North Carolina and they have 
TNR program that cost only like 15 dollars per spay and neuter.  Good luck.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

I'm so sorry, Sue.  I know cats have come back from bouts of anemia but
you do have to weigh the options.  Hope he feels better in the meantime
with the shot.

Diane R. 

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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:38 AM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30.  She gave
him a steriod shot.  She says we could choose to give him a transfusion
but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive.  He also has
a bad heart murmer.  Right now I am just trying to by time to look into
optiions.  I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of
painful procedures just to buy a month or two.  They just don't
understand why you are doing it to them.  Why can't cats take iron pills
like anemic humans do?  So many questions...
Thanks,
Sue

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[Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

[Sue Koren]

Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30.  She gave him a 
steriod shot.  She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that 
would only be a temporary fix and very expensive.  He also has a bad heart 
murmer.  Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions.  I am 
very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to 
buy a month or two.  They just don't understand why you are doing it to them.  
Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do?  So many questions...
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Unfortunately, not all vets are current on the latest thinking on such
"death sentence" diseases as FeLV and FIV.  It's so important to find
one who is knowledgeable and willing to work with a kitty through its
various issues.  There are many knowledgeable and supportive vets out
there, and often the ones who are not knowledgeable welcome any info you
can give them, so don't be discouraged.  If this vet persists in her "he
must be suffering" viewpoint it might be good to shop around.  
 
Good luck with "your" ferals.  In case you haven't come across it,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is a wonderful resource.  Some of the members
can be a little hard-line about some things, but the files section of
the web page is a treasure trove of good info on trapping, vetting and
other aspects of feral caretaking.  Many of them are working with little
or no money themselves.  The co-listmom, Gesine, gives great
down-to-earth advice.
 
Diane R.



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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


Thanx Tonya,

 

I have been on the internet to many sites that have been very
informative and am going to try to find help with the colony around my
home.

This was a new vet I went to and am now going to ask more questions.
Being new to felv i didnt know much. I took her word that he was
suffering and would only get worse.

 

It's a little hard for me at this time because i lost my job so finances
are low. But I am trying to find help so this doesnt happen again.

 

The feralcat group at yahoo has been very helpful about tnr if i can
find a vet who will help me, since i am not working and have the time to
do it.

 

Again Thanx so much for your support.

 

Sharon



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Be sure to really check around.  My sister is in North Carolina
and they have TNR program that cost only like 15 dollars per spay and
neuter.  Good luck.
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[Sharon Harden]

Thanx Tonya,
 
I have been on the internet to many sites that have been very informative and 
am going to try to find help with the colony around my home.
This was a new vet I went to and am now going to ask more questions. Being new 
to felv i didnt know much. I took her word that he was suffering and would only 
get worse.
 
It's a little hard for me at this time because i lost my job so finances are 
low. But I am trying to find help so this doesnt happen again.
 
The feralcat group at yahoo has been very helpful about tnr if i can find a vet 
who will help me, since i am not working and have the time to do it.
 
Again Thanx so much for your support.
 
Sharon


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Be sure to really check around.  My sister is in North Carolina and they have 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

[catatonya]

my unscientifix explanation is that they can be tested for felv at any age, but 
you won't know if that's a 'true' positive for at least 3 months of time. 3 
months that you KNOW they are not with any other exposed cat. I see it as 
impossible in the real world.  I wish the test had never even been invented.
  t

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i've never gotten a straight answer to this question, tho a recent article 
i read--remember, i'm in the process of compiling an up-to-date list, so i read 
things, save the links, and will go back and actually organize them later, so i 
DON'T have the links right now--said that, because of what the test tests, the 
antigens instead of antibodies, kittens can be tested at any age.

if there's anyone who can explain this to those of us who are doing our best to 
be scientists when we really aren't, i know that i would appreciate it!



  On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Could someone remind me of the age when testing kittens for Felv is. I
have some 8 week old kittens, Miss'Tache, Gilbert, Perry, and Eeyore,
born to a feral queen, queen is untested. My rescue group wants to test
them real soon.

I also have former tom cat who has tested positive for Felv via a snap
test, he is in a different room from the kittens and from my cats. As of
right now he is not showing any symptoms. He is a sweetheart, I think he
is a dumped cat left to fend for himself.

Thanks

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[catatonya]

Be sure to really check around.  My sister is in North Carolina and they have 
TNR program that cost only like 15 dollars per spay and neuter.  Good luck.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick

[Jane Lyons]

We're sending angels to you and Buzz. It's great he can be seen right  
away and
hopefully he'll be treated and be feeling well soon.

We're thinking of you.
Jane
n Jul 25, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Sue Koren wrote:

> Thanks, Sally,
> Buzz seems to be breathing fast, but I am not sure how he usually  
> breaths.  Like you said, panic mode.  My husband is taking him at  
> 10:40 am today because I am working.  I want to be there so badly!
> Sue
>  Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick

[Alice hanson]

I'm saying a prayer for you and Buzz.  I do know what you are going thru and 
what you are feeling. I hope everything turns out O.K.
Alice
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick


  Sally, here's hoping the vet finds nothing major.  I know you'll be
  going crazy until you find out.  Hugs to you all.

  Diane R. 

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  Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:09 AM
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  Cc: Sally Davis
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick

  Thanks, Sally,
  Buzz seems to be breathing fast, but I am not sure how he usually
  breaths.  Like you said, panic mode.  My husband is taking him at 10:40
  am today because I am working.  I want to be there so badly!  
  Sue
   Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

  =
  HI Sue

  I am sorry Buzz is not well. I am not sure what to tell you to ask the
  vet.
  There are so many things I should have asked, but i was clueless.
  Sometimes
  I think I tortured Junior needlessly because I was in panic mode.  Be
  calm
  and listen his life depends on you. You can check his gums to see if
  they
  are pale. Anemia is common. As my vet told me b4 Junior was dx with
  Felv,
  hemabartenella can be caused by just one flea. It is treatable. How is
  his
  breathing?

  I will keep you and Buzz in my prayers.

  Hugs

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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Sally, here's hoping the vet finds nothing major.  I know you'll be
going crazy until you find out.  Hugs to you all.

Diane R. 

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Thanks, Sally,
Buzz seems to be breathing fast, but I am not sure how he usually
breaths.  Like you said, panic mode.  My husband is taking him at 10:40
am today because I am working.  I want to be there so badly!  
Sue
 Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
HI Sue

I am sorry Buzz is not well. I am not sure what to tell you to ask the
vet.
There are so many things I should have asked, but i was clueless.
Sometimes
I think I tortured Junior needlessly because I was in panic mode.  Be
calm
and listen his life depends on you. You can check his gums to see if
they
are pale. Anemia is common. As my vet told me b4 Junior was dx with
Felv,
hemabartenella can be caused by just one flea. It is treatable. How is
his
breathing?

I will keep you and Buzz in my prayers.

Hugs

Sally



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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick

[Sue Koren]

Thanks, Sally,
Buzz seems to be breathing fast, but I am not sure how he usually breaths.  
Like you said, panic mode.  My husband is taking him at 10:40 am today because 
I am working.  I want to be there so badly!  
Sue
 Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
HI Sue

I am sorry Buzz is not well. I am not sure what to tell you to ask the vet.
There are so many things I should have asked, but i was clueless. Sometimes
I think I tortured Junior needlessly because I was in panic mode.  Be calm
and listen his life depends on you. You can check his gums to see if they
are pale. Anemia is common. As my vet told me b4 Junior was dx with Felv,
hemabartenella can be caused by just one flea. It is treatable. How is his
breathing?

I will keep you and Buzz in my prayers.

Hugs

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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick

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  Sue,
  Sorry to hear that Buzz isn't feeling well.  Sounds like it could be 
anemia, make sure they test for that and hemobartonella.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick

[Sally Davis]

HI Sue

I am sorry Buzz is not well. I am not sure what to tell you to ask the vet.
There are so many things I should have asked, but i was clueless. Sometimes
I think I tortured Junior needlessly because I was in panic mode.  Be calm
and listen his life depends on you. You can check his gums to see if they
are pale. Anemia is common. As my vet told me b4 Junior was dx with Felv,
hemabartenella can be caused by just one flea. It is treatable. How is his
breathing?

I will keep you and Buzz in my prayers.

Hugs

Sally


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> Good morning everyone,
> Buzz, my 1 year old FeLV+ has been lethargic for a couple of days. He
> normaly eats like a pig, but yesterday was only picking.  He finally ate
> something when I offered him tuna.  He doesn't want to do anything that
> requires any effort - not even go up or down stairs.   I am waiting for the
> vet's office to open to make him an appointment.  I imaging they will have
> bloodwork done, but does anyone have any other suggestions of what I should
> ask them?
> Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

[gary]

What, exactly, is the question?  Do you want to know why you can test for FeLV 
at any age?

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens


  i've never gotten a straight answer to this question, tho a recent article i 
read--remember, i'm in the process of compiling an up-to-date list, so i read 
things, save the links, and will go back and actually organize them later, so i 
DON'T have the links right now--said that, because of what the test tests, the 
antigens instead of antibodies, kittens can be tested at any age.

  if there's anyone who can explain this to those of us who are doing our best 
to be scientists when we really aren't, i know that i would appreciate it!




  On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Could someone remind me of the age when testing kittens for Felv is. I
have some 8 week old kittens, Miss'Tache, Gilbert, Perry, and Eeyore,
born to a feral queen, queen is untested. My rescue group wants to test
them real soon.

I also have former tom cat who has tested positive for Felv via a snap
test, he is in a different room from the kittens and from my cats. As of
right now he is not showing any symptoms. He is a sweetheart, I think he
is a dumped cat left to fend for himself.

Thanks

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[Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick

[Sue Koren]

Good morning everyone,
Buzz, my 1 year old FeLV+ has been lethargic for a couple of days. He normaly 
eats like a pig, but yesterday was only picking.  He finally ate something when 
I offered him tuna.  He doesn't want to do anything that requires any effort - 
not even go up or down stairs.   I am waiting for the vet's office to open to 
make him an appointment.  I imaging they will have bloodwork done, but does 
anyone have any other suggestions of what I should ask them? 
Thanks,
Sue

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Re: [Felvtalk] Thanks

[Sharyl]

April, I'm sorry your baby has a heart condition.  Please do join the heart 
group.  My sweet Albert went into CHF one month after being dx with CRF.  He 
ended up being dx with severe HCM ad was only give days/weeks.  He enjoyed 
another 1 1/2 yrs.  With heart kitties you just don't know how long you will 
have.  Depending on the severity you may have yrs together.  Just like with our 
FeLV+ babies, you just enjoy every day you have together.
Sharyl

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 10:29 PM

Thanks everyone for your advice especially Phoenix!  And Though I am new to this
group and don't really know anyone I still want to send a hug to you Sherry
and say I am sorry Hannessey had to go over the rainbow bridge. I have a babe
who has a heart condition and is not going to be with us long. She was my first
cat. The one who started it all and I cringe to think of life without her. But
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

[Sharyl]

This is what has confused me.  
1.) If the feral queen is presumed positive, how long should you wait after 
separating the queen and kittens before testing the kittens?
2.) If the queen is positive, can the kittens, over time, 'throw off' the 
virus?   
3.) If the 1st ELISA test is positive, how long should you wait before doing a 
follow up IFA test?   
 
I'm in a rural area.  No vets in my county.  The next county has 2 vet 
clinics.  One believes in PTS for any kitten that test positive and euthanizing 
the entire feral colony.  The other believes in ELISA retesting after 1 month.  
PTS is out of the question for cats/kittens that appear to be healthy and one 
month just doesn't seem long enough.  So I rely on groups like this for 
guidance.  
Sharyl

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From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 1:01 AM



i've never gotten a straight answer to this question, tho a recent article i 
read--remember, i'm in the process of compiling an up-to-date list, so i read 
things, save the links, and will go back and actually organize them later, so i 
DON'T have the links right now--said that, because of what the test tests, the 
antigens instead of antibodies, kittens can be tested at any age.

if there's anyone who can explain this to those of us who are doing our best to 
be scientists when we really aren't, i know that i would appreciate it!




On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Could someone remind me of the age when testing kittens for Felv is. I
have some 8 week old kittens, Miss'Tache, Gilbert, Perry, and Eeyore,
born to a feral queen, queen is untested. My rescue group wants to test
them real soon.

I also have former tom cat who has tested positive for Felv via a snap
test, he is in a different room from the kittens and from my cats. As of
right now he is not showing any symptoms. He is a sweetheart, I think he
is a dumped cat left to fend for himself.

Thanks

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Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost

[Pat Kachur]

Sounds like a good plan.I hope it works out that you can have him.
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost


  My husband and I have agreed that if he continues to hang around here for a 
bit longer my husband is going to put him in the back porch and call this guy 
we know who investigated the owner after we lost Boo.  He has no sympathy for 
them whatsoever and would take the cat away.  If he tests negative for Felv I 
will adopt him if that is an option.  He has been neutered, something they had 
refused to do with Boo and with their female so maybe the field worker did 
impress them somewhat.  Whether he has been vaccinated is another story.  I 
could not subject Snowy to him if he were positive as much as I would love to 
have him.  He isn't the sweetest of cats, the little buggar was rubbing his 
face all over mine then bit me on the hand, quite nastily I might add.  He 
isn't as pretty as BooBoo but still is pretty darn cute.

  Lynne
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost


It seems to me that this little guy is at your place for a reason.  He 
obviously needs help!  Could you just take him to a vet and have his sores, 
matts, fleas taken care of--and have him tested.  He may be negative.  If it 
were me, I'd just have to know!  

So glad that Snowball is thrivingyou've done a wonderful job with her.
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  Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:20 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost


  Most of you know about my experience with BooBoo, the Felv positive who 
died after owning him for only a month.  It was without a doubt the most tragic 
thing I have ever been through in my life..  Not long after that we got a 
rescued persian Snowball who was neglected and in foster care for 4 months 
because she was so ill.  She has feline herpes virus, not active and is 
absolutely thriving now.

  Tonight my husband calls me out to the front yard, and who is sitting 
there?  BooBoo's son.  I don't know if he is Felv positive or not.  Just as 
BooBoo was, he has sores on his head, matted fur, dirty ears and most likely 
fleas.  I feel like I'm experiencing our tragedy all over again.  If I knew he 
was not positive, I would take him inside right now and those despicable people 
would never see him again.  Odd how he has chosen our house to hang around.  
The owners were warned about taking care of their cats and I know all I have to 
do is call this field worker at the humane society and he will come and pick 
him up.  I just don't know what to do.  I could never subject Snowball to any 
harm, not after what she went through prior to living with us but I don't want 
to see this little guy suffer either.  If this kitty is Felv positive, perhaps 
a rescue would take him.  I simply could not afford the emotional and financial 
devestation we experienced watching BooBoo die.  I'm totally confused right now.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

[Pat Kachur]

Although many vets test sooner, my vet feels that you get the more accurate 
results if you wait until 3 months.
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens


> Could someone remind me of the age when testing kittens for Felv is. I
> have some 8 week old kittens, Miss'Tache, Gilbert, Perry, and Eeyore,
> born to a feral queen, queen is untested. My rescue group wants to test
> them real soon.
>
> I also have former tom cat who has tested positive for Felv via a snap
> test, he is in a different room from the kittens and from my cats. As of
> right now he is not showing any symptoms. He is a sweetheart, I think he
> is a dumped cat left to fend for himself.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sam
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