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I believe it has to be from a roost and not normal bird droppings what are washed off...you may want to check though. Several of mine have come from a 40-50 year old pine thicket which, by its nature, has been a roost for starlings and other birds. Copper and Thomas came from that thicket when they were about 8 weeks old and it was a concern for respiratory issues. FYI: They are fine and I am blessed by their friendship. And, yes, you can still tell they are ferals. On Mar 24, 2009, at 11:44 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: bird droppings could cause that? that scares me as i feed the wild birds on my deck and that is where my babies love to lie in the sun and snooze. may have to change where i feed the birds and clean deck up with Clorox. dorlis Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Yes. They told me that moisture or oxygen will deplete dry food of those vitamins. Another person took their cat in when I took Coco (we went over to Ames teaching school). Her cat could not walk at all and did not survive. It's a rare condition and can also be caused by toxins or the disease passed via bird droppings (I forget the name right now...toxoplasmosis, maybe). Anyway, it was frightening and I am so grateful to have my kitty. They had to take biopsies of her muscles and send them to Texas to be analyzed. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Wow, Laurie, I had never heard of that So I'm guessing that dry food should be kept, say, in its bag with the top rolled so there's no extra air? Wacky! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Coco lost weight, couldn't jump up, her tongue would come out of her mouth and her legs weren't working right. Not FeLV+but she was diagnosed with myonecrosis. A change in food (from dry to canned) reversed her issues. The vets tested for all the usual causes and she was negative so they assumed nutritional. I would dump all the dry (Wellness) into a tupperware container. Vets said that exposed the food to too much air which depleted the food of vitamin D and Selenium and caused muscle death. For what it's worth Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:17 PM To: Felv talk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy _ Windows LiveT Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing
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Just be sure to pay them before that year...otherwise the interest rate is astronomical! Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:40:25 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org CC: fs...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list. reL finances and caring for kitties, has anyone else heard of Care Credit? i fuond out about it from my dentist and it can be used for glasses, dental work, vets and even plastic surgery. the vet collects the charges until they reach at least $300.00 and then sends charges to Care Credit. you have a year to pay it off with no interest. you only pay interest if you take more than i year to complete payment. it has helped me out with my babies because i like to get a complete blood profile and urinealysis (?) on each one so we have a base line to start from. also helps when i have to get shots for all 5 at same time. dorlis Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hi Amy, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is hard to want to care for a beloved kitty when they want no part of it. My sweet gentle Tucker used to go absolutely ballistic whenever I tried to give him a pill. Sometimes I think it is kinder to choose the least threatening or invasive ways to help a sick kitty. Some would much rather be gently let go in their own time with dignity then to have procedures forced upon them that might lengthen their lives but would make them extremely unhappy. Your best choice may be feeding him the highest quality food you can find. (I like Wellness Core canned food.) And making sure there is little or no stress in his life. Best wishes for as much quality time as possible with Grrr. You picked such a great name for a feisty cat! Sue Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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that is why i make sure to get it paid off long before the due date. but it is still better than paying 600.00 at one crack. i usually make payments of $100.00 per month and that does the trick. dorlis Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote: Just be sure to pay them before that year...otherwise the interest rate is astronomical! Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:40:25 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org CC: fs...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list. reL finances and caring for kitties, has anyone else heard of Care Credit? i fuond out about it from my dentist and it can be used for glasses, dental work, vets and even plastic surgery. the vet collects the charges until they reach at least $300.00 and then sends charges to Care Credit. you have a year to pay it off with no interest. you only pay interest if you take more than i year to complete payment. it has helped me out with my babies because i like to get a complete blood profile and urinealysis (?) on each one so we have a base line to start from. also helps when i have to get shots for all 5 at same time. dorlis Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hi Amy, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is hard to want to care for a beloved kitty when they want no part of it. My sweet gentle Tucker used to go absolutely ballistic whenever I tried to give him a pill. Sometimes I think it is kinder to choose the least threatening or invasive ways to help a sick kitty. Some would much rather be gently let go in their own time with dignity then to have procedures forced upon them that might lengthen their lives but would make them extremely unhappy. Your best choice may be feeding him the highest quality food you can find. (I like Wellness Core canned food.) And making sure there is little or no stress in his life. Best wishes for as much quality time as possible with Grrr. You picked such a great name for a feisty cat! Sue Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes I have used care credit for my teeth when I had to have a permanent tooth made. It was a $4000.00 bill and using care Credit was great, I paid interest but paid it off early so it wasn't that bad, my insurance didn't cover the work so it would have had to come out of my pocket and the interest was cheaper this way. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Not all vets give you a year to pay over $300, most of ours do not as it costs them extra. We had a $700 bill on one cat and got 3 months to pay and of course weren't able to. 2009/3/25 Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com Just be sure to pay them before that year...otherwise the interest rate is astronomical! Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:40:25 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org CC: fs...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list. reL finances and caring for kitties, has anyone else heard of Care Credit? i fuond out about it from my dentist and it can be used for glasses, dental work, vets and even plastic surgery. the vet collects the charges until they reach at least $300.00 and then sends charges to Care Credit. you have a year to pay it off with no interest. you only pay interest if you take more than i year to complete payment. it has helped me out with my babies because i like to get a complete blood profile and urinealysis (?) on each one so we have a base line to start from. also helps when i have to get shots for all 5 at same time. dorlis Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hi Amy, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is hard to want to care for a beloved kitty when they want no part of it. My sweet gentle Tucker used to go absolutely ballistic whenever I tried to give him a pill. Sometimes I think it is kinder to choose the least threatening or invasive ways to help a sick kitty. Some would much rather be gently let go in their own time with dignity then to have procedures forced upon them that might lengthen their lives but would make them extremely unhappy. Your best choice may be feeding him the highest quality food you can find. (I like Wellness Core canned food.) And making sure there is little or no stress in his life. Best wishes for as much quality time as possible with Grrr. You picked such a great name for a feisty cat! Sue Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines
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hi, my vet told me to keep others seperated until their last booster just to be sure. dorlis Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi Amy. I didn't find out my boys were positive until they were in their teens. The vet said they were likely carriers and since Squeaky was never sick, the vet said his was likely in his bone marrow. Stripes was symptomatic on and off. Stripes lived several more years (to age 16) and Squeaky lived to age 22. Isabella tested positive almost 2 years ago and is the picture of health. Your boy could live a long life. Keep your other kitties separate for at least 24 hours after they are vaccinated (I can't recall if they should be separate until the booster in 30 daysdoes anyone know?). Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. Just wanted to say a quick hello to all the list members- i've just joined upon learning this afternoon that my much adored 10 year old cat is positive. We're unsure as to how he contracted feluk as he was tested before we adopted him, and the two cats we have adopted since then were both tested... sigh. We take the other two in tomorrow morning to be tested hopefully vaccinated, and then we'll bring my big boy home. Hopefully he will be with us for at least a few more months. I've been scouring the archives and can't express enough gratitude- there is so much wonderful information support here. I look forward to being a part of this community. Amy _ HotmailR is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sue and Frank, where do you get Wellness Core canned food? do you have an email or phone number? never heard of this before. Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hi Amy, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is hard to want to care for a beloved kitty when they want no part of it. My sweet gentle Tucker used to go absolutely ballistic whenever I tried to give him a pill. Sometimes I think it is kinder to choose the least threatening or invasive ways to help a sick kitty. Some would much rather be gently let go in their own time with dignity then to have procedures forced upon them that might lengthen their lives but would make them extremely unhappy. Your best choice may be feeding him the highest quality food you can find. (I like Wellness Core canned food.) And making sure there is little or no stress in his life. Best wishes for as much quality time as possible with Grrr. You picked such a great name for a feisty cat! Sue Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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reL finances and caring for kitties, has anyone else heard of Care Credit? i fuond out about it from my dentist and it can be used for glasses, dental work, vets and even plastic surgery. the vet collects the charges until they reach at least $300.00 and then sends charges to Care Credit. you have a year to pay it off with no interest. you only pay interest if you take more than i year to complete payment. it has helped me out with my babies because i like to get a complete blood profile and urinealysis (?) on each one so we have a base line to start from. also helps when i have to get shots for all 5 at same time. dorlis Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hi Amy, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is hard to want to care for a beloved kitty when they want no part of it. My sweet gentle Tucker used to go absolutely ballistic whenever I tried to give him a pill. Sometimes I think it is kinder to choose the least threatening or invasive ways to help a sick kitty. Some would much rather be gently let go in their own time with dignity then to have procedures forced upon them that might lengthen their lives but would make them extremely unhappy. Your best choice may be feeding him the highest quality food you can find. (I like Wellness Core canned food.) And making sure there is little or no stress in his life. Best wishes for as much quality time as possible with Grrr. You picked such a great name for a feisty cat! Sue Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You can buy it online (eg Waggin'Tails). If you call around you might find a retailer in your area...in my city, a small private garden shop sells it and so does Petco. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sue Frank Koren Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list. Sue and Frank, where do you get Wellness Core canned food? do you have an email or phone number? never heard of this before. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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thank you, got a Petco in our area. dorlis Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: You can buy it online (eg Waggin'Tails). If you call around you might find a retailer in your area...in my city, a small private garden shop sells it and so does Petco. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sue Frank Koren Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list. Sue and Frank, where do you get Wellness Core canned food? do you have an email or phone number? never heard of this before. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Grrr sounds so much like my Snuggles. is beautiful to look at, loves to be petted (for a while at least, not too much) but don't try to brush me or give me pills. i will slash you to bits, bite and swat you with my tail. don't know if it has anything to do with it, he was a Maine Coon. he looked like it so took to a breeder and she confirmed it. mostly, as long as things went his way, he was happy. sometimes a pain to deal with, but i would not have missed my days with him for anything. he is the one who took care of my father. the day father became ill, Snuggles went into his room and would not leave. if he called me in the middle of the night, Snug would come and get me, then jump on father's bed. he stayed with him for a year and the day father passed, he left his room and never went back there. he passed away 1 week after father. dorlis Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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if exposing dry to the air caused a loss of vitamin D, what about adding fish oil to the food to counter the loss of D and then add a vitamin supplement for the selenium. dorlis Rosenfeldt wrote: Wow, Laurie, I had never heard of that So I'm guessing that dry food should be kept, say, in its bag with the top rolled so there's no extra air? Wacky! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Coco lost weight, couldn't jump up, her tongue would come out of her mouth and her legs weren't working right. Not FeLV+but she was diagnosed with myonecrosis. A change in food (from dry to canned) reversed her issues. The vets tested for all the usual causes and she was negative so they assumed nutritional. I would dump all the dry (Wellness) into a tupperware container. Vets said that exposed the food to too much air which depleted the food of vitamin D and Selenium and caused muscle death. For what it's worth Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:17 PM To: Felv talk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy _ Windows LiveT Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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bird droppings could cause that? that scares me as i feed the wild birds on my deck and that is where my babies love to lie in the sun and snooze. may have to change where i feed the birds and clean deck up with Clorox. dorlis Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Yes. They told me that moisture or oxygen will deplete dry food of those vitamins. Another person took their cat in when I took Coco (we went over to Ames teaching school). Her cat could not walk at all and did not survive. It's a rare condition and can also be caused by toxins or the disease passed via bird droppings (I forget the name right now...toxoplasmosis, maybe). Anyway, it was frightening and I am so grateful to have my kitty. They had to take biopsies of her muscles and send them to Texas to be analyzed. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Wow, Laurie, I had never heard of that So I'm guessing that dry food should be kept, say, in its bag with the top rolled so there's no extra air? Wacky! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Coco lost weight, couldn't jump up, her tongue would come out of her mouth and her legs weren't working right. Not FeLV+but she was diagnosed with myonecrosis. A change in food (from dry to canned) reversed her issues. The vets tested for all the usual causes and she was negative so they assumed nutritional. I would dump all the dry (Wellness) into a tupperware container. Vets said that exposed the food to too much air which depleted the food of vitamin D and Selenium and caused muscle death. For what it's worth Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:17 PM To: Felv talk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy _ Windows LiveT Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify
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As sort of a parenthetical to this discussion, which I confess I've only read a little of, recently my housemate decided to try putting our Luc's thyroid pills (which we've been shoving down his throat for years) into a pinch of catnip in the palm of her hand. I never thought this would work, but he's been doing this for about a month now. Even if he snarfs up all the nip, he'll still take one extra snarf to get the pill in. Goofy boy, I love him dearly. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Amy Ackerman Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Grrr sounds so much like my Snuggles. is beautiful to look at, loves to be petted (for a while at least, not too much) but don't try to brush me or give me pills. i will slash you to bits, bite and swat you with my tail. don't know if it has anything to do with it, he was a Maine Coon. he looked like it so took to a breeder and she confirmed it. mostly, as long as things went his way, he was happy. sometimes a pain to deal with, but i would not have missed my days with him for anything. he is the one who took care of my father. the day father became ill, Snuggles went into his room and would not leave. if he called me in the middle of the night, Snug would come and get me, then jump on father's bed. he stayed with him for a year and the day father passed, he left his room and never went back there. he passed away 1 week after father. dorlis Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy _ Windows LiveT Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Catnip--not bad! Haven't tried that one. Whenever I think I've found something that works though (and feel very proud of myself for finding the perfect pill pusher-downer), they always manage to show me who is the real boss by suddenly deciding that they know I'm putting a pill in and stop taking whatever it was that worked. I've used American cheese (makes a nice little ball), liverwurst (ditto), ham (a little harder to roll up), pill pockets (works for a while), wet food (in a ball), two treats squished together like a sandwich with a pill in the middle, and on and on. Of course, groveling and begging and pleading sometimes works though I think they finally take the pill just to shut me up. And then of course, there are all those pills I've found over the years, just lying around without a mark on them. I KNOW they're not the pills I was so proud of myself about--I KNOW they sneak to the pill vial at night to take out some pills to scatter around just to make me crazy! LOL Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list As sort of a parenthetical to this discussion, which I confess I've only read a little of, recently my housemate decided to try putting our Luc's thyroid pills (which we've been shoving down his throat for years) into a pinch of catnip in the palm of her hand. I never thought this would work, but he's been doing this for about a month now. Even if he snarfs up all the nip, he'll still take one extra snarf to get the pill in. Goofy boy, I love him dearly. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Amy Ackerman Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Grrr sounds so much like my Snuggles. is beautiful to look at, loves to be petted (for a while at least, not too much) but don't try to brush me or give me pills. i will slash you to bits, bite and swat you with my tail. don't know if it has anything to do with it, he was a Maine Coon. he looked like it so took to a breeder and she confirmed it. mostly, as long as things went his way, he was happy. sometimes a pain to deal with, but i would not have missed my days with him for anything. he is the one who took care of my father. the day father became ill, Snuggles went into his room and would not leave. if he called me in the middle of the night, Snug would come and get me, then jump on father's bed. he stayed with him for a year and the day father passed, he left his room and never went back there. he passed away 1 week after father. dorlis Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy
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Hello again all-Just an update- I took my other two in yesterday morning to be tested vaccinated and picked Grrr up at the same time. He seemed to be doing OK, and my vet was optimistic that the cortisol would help him be comfortable for a while. I brought all three home, got the other two set up in their 30 day kitty condo, and let Grrr out of his carrier. He almost immediately began displaying some pretty disturbing neurological issues- his face was so tight contorted that for a moment I wondered if they had given me the wrong cat. I dragged him back out to the vet they have been observing him for the last 24 h. Further tests offer no answers as to the origin of the rapid neurological changes. He hasn't improved dramatically, but he seems comfortable as cheery as he gets today, so I'm going to get him. As long as he's comfortable and happy, we're certainly willing to modify his lifestyle to make things a little easier on him. We're just thrilled that he is coming home!Amy _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Amy, I'm so sorry to hear about Grrr. I was just wondering about the cortisol shot - what's the rationale behind that? Thanks and best of luck, Gloria On Mar 2, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Amy Ackerman wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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18 months ago I brought Winston (FeLV-) home from the vet after a dental cleaning. He could not use his back legs correctly. He acted like he was in pain when he would try to use his legs. I took him to a specialist and she suspected he had been injured (back twisted) while under anesthesia. Fortunately the nerves recovered and he was fine. Was Grrr anesthetized for anything while at the vet? This does not sound right to me. Wonder about a second opinion. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. Hello again all-Just an update- I took my other two in yesterday morning to be tested vaccinated and picked Grrr up at the same time. He seemed to be doing OK, and my vet was optimistic that the cortisol would help him be comfortable for a while. I brought all three home, got the other two set up in their 30 day kitty condo, and let Grrr out of his carrier. He almost immediately began displaying some pretty disturbing neurological issues- his face was so tight contorted that for a moment I wondered if they had given me the wrong cat. I dragged him back out to the vet they have been observing him for the last 24 h. Further tests offer no answers as to the origin of the rapid neurological changes. He hasn't improved dramatically, but he seems comfortable as cheery as he gets today, so I'm going to get him. As long as he's comfortable and happy, we're certainly willing to modify his lifestyle to make things a little easier on him. We're just thrilled that he is coming home!Amy _ HotmailR is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I totally missed the injection info. Have you researched cortisol? Wonder if they hit a nerve when they vaccinated him. Did they give the injection in his scruff? I strongly suspect something happened at the vet's officeI do not mean to alarm you as he may very well recover and be fine but I would wonder about that vet. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. Hello again all-Just an update- I took my other two in yesterday morning to be tested vaccinated and picked Grrr up at the same time. He seemed to be doing OK, and my vet was optimistic that the cortisol would help him be comfortable for a while. I brought all three home, got the other two set up in their 30 day kitty condo, and let Grrr out of his carrier. He almost immediately began displaying some pretty disturbing neurological issues- his face was so tight contorted that for a moment I wondered if they had given me the wrong cat. I dragged him back out to the vet they have been observing him for the last 24 h. Further tests offer no answers as to the origin of the rapid neurological changes. He hasn't improved dramatically, but he seems comfortable as cheery as he gets today, so I'm going to get him. As long as he's comfortable and happy, we're certainly willing to modify his lifestyle to make things a little easier on him. We're just thrilled that he is coming home!Amy _ HotmailR is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I've never heard of giving cortisol shots, just cortisone. I've read that too much cortisol in the system is not a good thing, but don't know much about it, just wondering. Below is something I found when I did a Yahoo search for cortisol shot feline (at cats.lovetoknow.com): Gloria My four-year-old female cat Dottie has a hormonal allergy. That's all the vet told me except that she would need a monthly shot for the rest of her life. She is itchy all over and gets many scabs and has hair loss. It looks a lot like scabies. Are there any natural remedies to help her? She's quite stressed most of the time, very jumpy. I cannot afford the monthly vet trip for a shot. The poor thing is miserable but we love each other and I want to keep her. Please help if you can. Thanks, Jill Expert Reply Hi Jill, So sorry to hear about Dottie's hair loss. Since your vet didn't give you a lot of information, let me give it a try. Hormones are regulated by a chemical commonly referred to as Cortisol. As cats age, their bodies naturally begin to produce less hormones. When levels are low enough, the body tries to boost production of the hormones, but then production of Cortisol is lowered as the body redirects its energy. This is when the trouble begins. The shots your vet prescribed are necessary to help your cat's hormonal system remain in balance and able to fight off immune reactions that produce the typical allergy symptoms. There are a few things you can do to support the Corticosteroid therapy. • Fatty acid supplementation may help your cat's skin irritation. • Try feeding your cat a diet that is specifically formulated for pets with allergies. • Try to avoid exposing your cat to any of its known allergens. For this, you'd have to ask your vet what your cat tested allergic to. • Make every effort to lessen the stress in her environment. Stress further inhibits her body's ability to deal with the allergens. I'm sorry I couldn't give you better news. There doesn't seem to be a way to cure severe allergies. All we can do is try to manage them to make our cats as comfortable as possible. Thanks for your question. Kelly === On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Laurieskatz wrote: I totally missed the injection info. Have you researched cortisol? Wonder if they hit a nerve when they vaccinated him. Did they give the injection in his scruff? I strongly suspect something happened at the vet's officeI do not mean to alarm you as he may very well recover and be fine but I would wonder about that vet. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. Hello again all-Just an update- I took my other two in yesterday morning to be tested vaccinated and picked Grrr up at the same time. He seemed to be doing OK, and my vet was optimistic that the cortisol would help him be comfortable for a while. I brought all three home, got the other two set up in their 30 day kitty condo, and let Grrr out of his carrier. He almost immediately began displaying some pretty disturbing neurological issues- his face was so tight contorted that for a moment I wondered if they had given me the wrong cat. I dragged him back out to the vet they have been observing him for the last 24 h. Further tests offer no answers as to the origin of the rapid neurological changes. He hasn't improved dramatically, but he seems comfortable as cheery as he gets today, so I'm going to get him. As long as he's comfortable and happy, we're certainly willing to modify his lifestyle to make things a little easier on him. We're just thrilled that he is coming home!Amy _ HotmailR is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Coco lost weight, couldn't jump up, her tongue would come out of her mouth and her legs weren't working right. Not FeLV+but she was diagnosed with myonecrosis. A change in food (from dry to canned) reversed her issues. The vets tested for all the usual causes and she was negative so they assumed nutritional. I would dump all the dry (Wellness) into a tupperware container. Vets said that exposed the food to too much air which depleted the food of vitamin D and Selenium and caused muscle death. For what it's worth Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:17 PM To: Felv talk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy _ Windows LiveT Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Wow, Laurie, I had never heard of that So I'm guessing that dry food should be kept, say, in its bag with the top rolled so there's no extra air? Wacky! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Coco lost weight, couldn't jump up, her tongue would come out of her mouth and her legs weren't working right. Not FeLV+but she was diagnosed with myonecrosis. A change in food (from dry to canned) reversed her issues. The vets tested for all the usual causes and she was negative so they assumed nutritional. I would dump all the dry (Wellness) into a tupperware container. Vets said that exposed the food to too much air which depleted the food of vitamin D and Selenium and caused muscle death. For what it's worth Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:17 PM To: Felv talk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy _ Windows LiveT Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes. They told me that moisture or oxygen will deplete dry food of those vitamins. Another person took their cat in when I took Coco (we went over to Ames teaching school). Her cat could not walk at all and did not survive. It's a rare condition and can also be caused by toxins or the disease passed via bird droppings (I forget the name right now...toxoplasmosis, maybe). Anyway, it was frightening and I am so grateful to have my kitty. They had to take biopsies of her muscles and send them to Texas to be analyzed. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Wow, Laurie, I had never heard of that So I'm guessing that dry food should be kept, say, in its bag with the top rolled so there's no extra air? Wacky! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Coco lost weight, couldn't jump up, her tongue would come out of her mouth and her legs weren't working right. Not FeLV+but she was diagnosed with myonecrosis. A change in food (from dry to canned) reversed her issues. The vets tested for all the usual causes and she was negative so they assumed nutritional. I would dump all the dry (Wellness) into a tupperware container. Vets said that exposed the food to too much air which depleted the food of vitamin D and Selenium and caused muscle death. For what it's worth Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:17 PM To: Felv talk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy _ Windows LiveT Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used
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My last post today, I promise! Thanks for that info, Laurie. I'm researching that now- would it seem likely that one cat would contract myonecrosis not others who were eating the same food? That's a new one on me as well, never heard of it. All three get canned wellness 2-3x a week, dry wellness the other days, although we've been planning to switch brands couldn't hurt to switch everyone to wet I suppose! _ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I had 6 cats and only Coco got myonecrosis. At least 2 others also ate the dry Wellness -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:00 PM To: Felv talk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list My last post today, I promise! Thanks for that info, Laurie. I'm researching that now- would it seem likely that one cat would contract myonecrosis not others who were eating the same food? That's a new one on me as well, never heard of it. All three get canned wellness 2-3x a week, dry wellness the other days, although we've been planning to switch brands couldn't hurt to switch everyone to wet I suppose! _ Windows LiveT: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Amy, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is hard to want to care for a beloved kitty when they want no part of it. My sweet gentle Tucker used to go absolutely ballistic whenever I tried to give him a pill. Sometimes I think it is kinder to choose the least threatening or invasive ways to help a sick kitty. Some would much rather be gently let go in their own time with dignity then to have procedures forced upon them that might lengthen their lives but would make them extremely unhappy. Your best choice may be feeding him the highest quality food you can find. (I like Wellness Core canned food.) And making sure there is little or no stress in his life. Best wishes for as much quality time as possible with Grrr. You picked such a great name for a feisty cat! Sue Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Make sure and give the others very good food too. Chopping carrots and spinach in canned/frozen food is not hard and is not expensive either. Dixie loved them. On Mar 3, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Hi Amy, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is hard to want to care for a beloved kitty when they want no part of it. My sweet gentle Tucker used to go absolutely ballistic whenever I tried to give him a pill. Sometimes I think it is kinder to choose the least threatening or invasive ways to help a sick kitty. Some would much rather be gently let go in their own time with dignity then to have procedures forced upon them that might lengthen their lives but would make them extremely unhappy. Your best choice may be feeding him the highest quality food you can find. (I like Wellness Core canned food.) And making sure there is little or no stress in his life. Best wishes for as much quality time as possible with Grrr. You picked such a great name for a feisty cat! Sue Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, Amy -- I'm sorry your baby isn't doing well, and I'm even sorrier that diagnosis and treatment need to be ruled by, as you say, your credit line. We've all been at this point, I think. Part of the nastiness of this disease is that it's expensive all around, from the frequent vet visits to the food and supplements, to the emotional expense. Unlike many of the kitties on this list, my FeLV kitty, Patches, turned up on our doorstep one night and was gone within two months. I don't know if I could have afforded his care in the long run, and it absolutely bites to have to think in those terms about a little soul in your care. I have a cat that sounds a lot like Grrr -- thankfully he's been healthy all his life, except, y'know, for the psychosis. ;-) Best of luck with whatever your vet comes up with to treat him. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list. Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail(r) is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_0320 09 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Laurie, I don't know for sure about the isolation requirements. As a precaution, I kept my positives separate from my negatives until after the negative had received the 30 day booster. That was a yr ago and all are still doing fine. Amy, to build on what others have already written, enjoy each day with your big boy. Over the last yr I have rescued 6 positive kittens from a dumpster colony. I lost one in Jan. but the other 5 are doing great and are a joy to be with. Having had CRF and heart kitties I learned to treasure each day I have with my beloved companions. We do what we can with the available resources to help these sweet companions have a full and meaningful life. Love is first on the list of what these babies need. My oldest positives are 1 1/2 yrs old. The babies are 8 months old. Love and enjoy him. Sharyl --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 10:18 PM Hi Amy. I didn't find out my boys were positive until they were in their teens. The vet said they were likely carriers and since Squeaky was never sick, the vet said his was likely in his bone marrow. Stripes was symptomatic on and off. Stripes lived several more years (to age 16) and Squeaky lived to age 22. Isabella tested positive almost 2 years ago and is the picture of health. Your boy could live a long life. Keep your other kitties separate for at least 24 hours after they are vaccinated (I can't recall if they should be separate until the booster in 30 daysdoes anyone know?). Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. Just wanted to say a quick hello to all the list members- i've just joined upon learning this afternoon that my much adored 10 year old cat is positive. We're unsure as to how he contracted feluk as he was tested before we adopted him, and the two cats we have adopted since then were both tested... sigh. We take the other two in tomorrow morning to be tested hopefully vaccinated, and then we'll bring my big boy home. Hopefully he will be with us for at least a few more months. I've been scouring the archives and can't express enough gratitude- there is so much wonderful information support here. I look forward to being a part of this community. Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks Sharyl. I think that is what I would do, too (30 days). LCS -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. Laurie, I don't know for sure about the isolation requirements. As a precaution, I kept my positives separate from my negatives until after the negative had received the 30 day booster. That was a yr ago and all are still doing fine. Amy, to build on what others have already written, enjoy each day with your big boy. Over the last yr I have rescued 6 positive kittens from a dumpster colony. I lost one in Jan. but the other 5 are doing great and are a joy to be with. Having had CRF and heart kitties I learned to treasure each day I have with my beloved companions. We do what we can with the available resources to help these sweet companions have a full and meaningful life. Love is first on the list of what these babies need. My oldest positives are 1 1/2 yrs old. The babies are 8 months old. Love and enjoy him. Sharyl --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 10:18 PM Hi Amy. I didn't find out my boys were positive until they were in their teens. The vet said they were likely carriers and since Squeaky was never sick, the vet said his was likely in his bone marrow. Stripes was symptomatic on and off. Stripes lived several more years (to age 16) and Squeaky lived to age 22. Isabella tested positive almost 2 years ago and is the picture of health. Your boy could live a long life. Keep your other kitties separate for at least 24 hours after they are vaccinated (I can't recall if they should be separate until the booster in 30 daysdoes anyone know?). Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. Just wanted to say a quick hello to all the list members- i've just joined upon learning this afternoon that my much adored 10 year old cat is positive. We're unsure as to how he contracted feluk as he was tested before we adopted him, and the two cats we have adopted since then were both tested... sigh. We take the other two in tomorrow morning to be tested hopefully vaccinated, and then we'll bring my big boy home. Hopefully he will be with us for at least a few more months. I've been scouring the archives and can't express enough gratitude- there is so much wonderful information support here. I look forward to being a part of this community. Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Just wanted to say a quick hello to all the list members- i've just joined upon learning this afternoon that my much adored 10 year old cat is positive. We're unsure as to how he contracted feluk as he was tested before we adopted him, and the two cats we have adopted since then were both tested... sigh. We take the other two in tomorrow morning to be tested hopefully vaccinated, and then we'll bring my big boy home. Hopefully he will be with us for at least a few more months. I've been scouring the archives and can't express enough gratitude- there is so much wonderful information support here. I look forward to being a part of this community. Amy _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Amy, Welcome to the list. You say you hope you will have at least a few more months with him. Besides being FeLV positive, what is wrong with him? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. Just wanted to say a quick hello to all the list members- i've just joined upon learning this afternoon that my much adored 10 year old cat is positive. We're unsure as to how he contracted feluk as he was tested before we adopted him, and the two cats we have adopted since then were both tested... sigh. We take the other two in tomorrow morning to be tested hopefully vaccinated, and then we'll bring my big boy home. Hopefully he will be with us for at least a few more months. I've been scouring the archives and can't express enough gratitude- there is so much wonderful information support here. I look forward to being a part of this community. Amy _ HotmailR is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3900 (20090302) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Amy. I didn't find out my boys were positive until they were in their teens. The vet said they were likely carriers and since Squeaky was never sick, the vet said his was likely in his bone marrow. Stripes was symptomatic on and off. Stripes lived several more years (to age 16) and Squeaky lived to age 22. Isabella tested positive almost 2 years ago and is the picture of health. Your boy could live a long life. Keep your other kitties separate for at least 24 hours after they are vaccinated (I can't recall if they should be separate until the booster in 30 daysdoes anyone know?). Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list. Just wanted to say a quick hello to all the list members- i've just joined upon learning this afternoon that my much adored 10 year old cat is positive. We're unsure as to how he contracted feluk as he was tested before we adopted him, and the two cats we have adopted since then were both tested... sigh. We take the other two in tomorrow morning to be tested hopefully vaccinated, and then we'll bring my big boy home. Hopefully he will be with us for at least a few more months. I've been scouring the archives and can't express enough gratitude- there is so much wonderful information support here. I look forward to being a part of this community. Amy _ HotmailR is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Oh my.don't look at a few more months my friend. Dixie lived three wonderful years. She was full grown and with a totally unknown and not good history. She had been a cared for cat at least to the point that she had been spayed, liked to be petted etc. Some how she found herself homeless and wound up with the ferals my Mom puts food out for. She was such a darling I decided to make her a farm cat and took her to my wonderful vets to be spayed (I didn't know she had been). She tested positive, won my heart and has kept it firmly in her paws even though she left this world June 12, 2008. She had holistic and regular vet care, the best food I could give her including Primal Raw which many advise against but on which she thrived, lots of chopped veggies high in vitamin C and iron, colostrum, and other supplements. She was in wonderful health until just before she left this world. The suddenness of the end was well, it was totally unexpected. For a long time I thought she had beaten it. The fine people on this list helped so much. Please do not put limits on the time he will be with you. If you do, you will live, if you can call it that, in dread, pain and grief. He would not have that for you any more than Dixie would have wanted it for me. We all leave this world. We all leave from something. None of us are guaranteed a second. Do not exit like that. You will deprive yourself of the wonderful love he gives you and the lessons he has to teach and you will deprive him of your unconditional love because, every time you look at him it will be with a dread you will both know. The stress will make you both miserable and will harm your other cats' hearts too. Do everything you can for all your cats and be very gentle with yourself. None of this is your fault. As much as you and I and all who love try to protect those we are devoted to, we can not protect them from everything. We just can't. By the way, Dixie totally enjoyed her life but there are many on this list and many I know of who have lived much, much longer. Throw away the calendar. It has no place in the heart. On Mar 2, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Amy Ackerman wrote: Just wanted to say a quick hello to all the list members- i've just joined upon learning this afternoon that my much adored 10 year old cat is positive. We're unsure as to how he contracted feluk as he was tested before we adopted him, and the two cats we have adopted since then were both tested... sigh. We take the other two in tomorrow morning to be tested hopefully vaccinated, and then we'll bring my big boy home. Hopefully he will be with us for at least a few more months. I've been scouring the archives and can't express enough gratitude- there is so much wonderful information support here. I look forward to being a part of this community. Amy _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amy My Romeo was a stray who I fed a couple of years before bringing him inside. I could do anything at all to him except pick him up or restrain him or give him a pill. He became ill very suddenly--had large mass in his chest cavity and fluids in his lungs. Treating him would have been more for me than for him--it likely wouldn't have worked long term and though it might have given him a bit more time, he would have been totally traumatized by it all. I made the choice to let him go and it was very tough. But I knew from his eyes that he wanted it to end before it got worse than it already had gotten. Best advice is from CougarClan--just throw away the calendar and enjoy every day with what sounds like a spunky, wonderful kitty! Christiane Biagi -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list. Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ HotmailR is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
