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No folow-up on what happened to her...but Pheonix has 800 animals in their shelter they want to find homes for this weekenda donation will get you a cat or a dog. Dorothy --- On Sat, 8/6/11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 9:36 AM I have asked my friends ad vet to tell me if thy think I am getting out of control and hoarding. It is so easy to take them in, you want to help them, but you have to stop and ask yourself if you can afford to feed and give them proper care. I know 7 is my limit, csts over $80.00 a month for food and litter. May have to cut down on my food (wouldn't hurt me, need to loose a few pounds). I have the basic DISH package - $24.99 that I started with 3 years ago. That gives me the news, Tom & Jerry and the old shows that I want to watch, that is enough for me. Why do people need 250 channels, they can't possibly watch them all? My babies come first. I have a big Saffari van, can take the seats out for my babies and we will just camp out. Joslin Potter wrote: > Are you serious, did she get arrested for animal hording? Come on who does > that? She DOES need a neuter! From: D.S.Louis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson wrote: From: Lynda Wilson Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange & white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > delivered back to us safely. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the
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But it does make me feel better afterwards. Natalie wrote: > That's exactly how to do it - be nice and accommodating while biting your > tongue really hard, get the anima(s) - and then POW! Let 'em have it between > the eyes! But it just falls on deaf ears, so its purpose is probably more > therapeutic for us to vent than to make some lasting impression on those > people, who are probably just plain incorrigible! Maybe they're not even > worth getting ourselves into a snit and raise our BP! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! bUT ONCE i GET THE ANIMAL IN MY HANDS, I USUALLY GIVE THEM A PIECE OF MY MIND Maureen Olvey wrote: > > The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the > animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need > to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the > road. Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes. > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700 > > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals > > to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out > > there get kittens and puppies and then drop them off once they get bigger > > or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It > > makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but > > makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because > > they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was > > just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. > > > > > > From: Edna Taylor > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it > > hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 > > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > > > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went > > > like > > > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > > > happened to be orange & white :) > > > > > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her > > > style. I > > > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having > > > any > > > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > > > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > > > how will he treat her? Geez! > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Edna Taylor" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump > > > my > > > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of > > > fact, > > > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > > > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add > > > insult > > > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > > > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should > > > be > > > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > > > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > > > > > > &g
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I am trying to figure out why God doesn't just bring the world to an end - we really do not deserve it. Animals basically only kill for food or protection. Man kills for pleasure. We kill each other for a pair of shoes or because we don't like the way different people look or talk, or because we want what they have and don't want to work for it. Then again I think it all boils down to GREED, SELFISHNESS, ME, MYSELF AND I. Lynda Wilson wrote: > It's a sad, selfish world!!! > > - Original Message - > From: "Lorrie" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > >> I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > >> people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > >> and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > >> to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > >> do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > >> dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > >> throw-away-society! > >> > > __- > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thatis why we all end up with 7,8,12 cats. You can't trust people to do what they say they will. So you end up keeping them. Also by the time you get them healthy, you are too attached to let them go. Edna Taylor wrote: > > See, that is why I have a hard time fostering anymore, I DON'T know where > they will end up or what will happen. I rescued two beautiful Flame Point > Himis from the Houston SPCA and they were SO skinny and, of course, > had ringworm. Well, after 3 months of nursing them back to health and > getting to know how special they were, I finally adopted them out to a home > that I assumed was really good and, all things considered, it IS a good home; > however, they let them outside and one of them was taken by an owl. My rules > are very clear, no declawing, no outside, no dumping them at a shelter or > giving them away, but people don't listen and do what they want to do. I > know we have all gotten the call "hey, I found this cat, she/he is starving, > has a bunch of health problems and the microchip comes back to your group" > and when you call the adopter, they will not answer your calls or emails. > > One more story about trusting people. A local rescue group her got a call > from the shelter telling them that someone turned in one of their cats > (microchipped) and come to find out, it was the FOSTER who took the cat to > the shelter. Hard to trust anyone these days :( > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:30:17 -0400 > > From: at...@optonline.net > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy > > problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two > > before leaving. Yes, I agree about "some" rescue groups, but also seldom > > happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason. > > With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am > > at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with > > the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes > > on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring > > back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never > > hear from, and I worry about them. I stay in touch with MOST adopters! > > > > -Original Message- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > > delivered back to us safely. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > > > __- > > > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > > rescue work
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We are still kind and sensitive, just tired of people who place so little value on their animals and children. Kelley Saveika wrote: > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me > sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > > > Kudos to her :) > > - Original Message - From: "D.S.Louis" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:17 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs > >> this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght > >> in 8 dogs.. > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Lynda Wilson > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM > >> > >> > >> That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > >> kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like > >> hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > >> happened to be orange & white :) > >> > >> This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. > >> I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having > >> any > >> other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > >> tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > >> how will he treat her? Geez! > >> - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > >> > >> > >> > >> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my > >> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, > >> got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > >> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add > >> insult > >> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > >> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should > >> be > >> spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > >> people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > >> > >> > >> From: moonv...@gmail.com > >>> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > >>> > >>> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel > >>> and > >>> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > >>> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > >>> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > >>> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > >>> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > >>> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > >>> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my > >>> adopters > >>> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > >>> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > >>> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will > >>> do) > >>> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > >>> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > >>> delivered back to us safely. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > >>> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > >>> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > >>> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but
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For someone like you, it does not decrease their value, but many take them on a whim and then realize they have to clean boxes, feed them and take them to the vet. Bottom line, it is easier to just dump them or give them to someone else to deal with and then they dn't want them either. Kelley Saveika wrote: > According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person > value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is > not enough money in the world to make me give her up.Giving away cats > and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find > homes for more animals. > > Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this > stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis wrote: > > > Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs > > this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght > > in 8 dogs.. > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson wrote: > > > > > > From: Lynda Wilson > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM > > > > > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like > > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > > happened to be orange & white :) > > > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. > > I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any > > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > > how will he treat her? Geez! > > - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my > > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, > > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult > > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be > > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel > > and > > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my > > adopters > > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will > > do) > > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > > > delivered back to us safely. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie > > wrote: > > > > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just br
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These days, children are disposable. Just look at all the stories on TV about people who lee their children in a hot car so they can go to a restaurant and enjoy a nice meal. Actually had this happen in St. Louis recently. They went into Pasta House. Someone noticed the children in the car (one of those 102 degree days) and got a policeman to break into the car and and get them out. Parents arrested on child endangerment. Lorrie wrote: > This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see > too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored > glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and > uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as > disposable "things". > > Lorrie > > > On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: > > > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It > > makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You get very cynical by the time you have heard "the I found this dog/cat. So many people use that excuse. When someone who really wants te best for the animal comes in, maybe they are the 10th person that day to say that so they get blasted. They are the last straw that broke the camel's back. Peggy Verdonck wrote: > I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by > shelter personnel because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of > the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because > I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like > that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off > the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again! > Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in > danger! > > On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, "Lorrie" wrote: > > This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see > > too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored > > glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and > > uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as > > disposable "things". > > > > Lorrie > > > >> On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: > > > >> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It > >> makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. > >> > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Usually when a cat pees out of the box, their is a reason. Sometimes it could be emotional. Did you move? New member of the family, Even new furniture or a new furniture arrangement can freak them out. Nitnoy pees i unexpected places because another cat rounds the corner when she does and it frigthens her. She was chased by a raccoon that bit her tail off, leaving a 4" stump.She also will wait under or behind something and pounce on them, hissing and screaming like crazy. Like she wants to get them before they get her. She is getting better, but it has only been a year so I get Nature's Mircle in the economy size and mop it up. You don't throw a child away when they do something wrong do you? Kelley Saveika wrote: > I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the > nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.We recently had a cat in our > program who was being advertised on Craigslist because she kept peeing > outside the box. Everyone CANNOT keep a cat that keeps peeing outside the > box. Everyone is not like us. Yes, they tried different diets, tests for > uri, tests for kidney function, different litters and different litter > boxes. Nothing worked. The original rescue refused to take the cat back, > kept flagging the CL ads - AND SAID TO HAVE THE CAT PUT DOWN BECAUSE NO ONE > WANTS A CAT WHO PEES ON THE FLOOR. These people loved the cat and did not > want to take her to a shelter. I stepped in and lent them a condo to keep > her in so she wouldn't mess the floor while I went so far as to track down > the original breeder of the cat (in California) . However we were lucky > enough to find a foster in Dallas who specializes in cats with pee problems > who took her in. I have had a cat returned twice now who pees outside the > box, again the adopters have tried EVERYTHING and really wanted to keep her. > > > I have seen people in my area spend FIVE YEARS spending much of their time > running a rescue out of business instead of saving lives because they did > not like the way they did rescue. Now there is another large rescue people > hate because they do not like the way they do rescue and instead of saving > animals actually go around to the various adoption sites pretending to be > potential adopters and grilling the volunteers. I am so sick of rescue > attitudes I could just scream. Some of the nastiest, vilest people I have > ever met have been in rescue - and to be fair some of the kindest as well. > Cruelty to humans is still cruelty. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Lorrie wrote: > > > This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see > > too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored > > glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and > > uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as > > disposable "things". > > > > Lorrie > > > > > On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: > > > > > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It > > > makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > Please help Trooper! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper > > > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they > can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." > > - Nathan Winograd > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have asked my friends ad vet to tell me if thy think I am getting out of control and hoarding. It is so easy to take them in, you want to help them, but you have to stop and ask yourself if you can afford to feed and give them proper care. I know 7 is my limit, csts over $80.00 a month for food and litter. May have to cut down on my food (wouldn't hurt me, need to loose a few pounds). I have the basic DISH package - $24.99 that I started with 3 years ago. That gives me the news, Tom & Jerry and the old shows that I want to watch, that is enough for me. Why do people need 250 channels, they can't possibly watch them all? My babies come first. I have a big Saffari van, can take the seats out for my babies and we will just camp out. Joslin Potter wrote: > Are you serious, did she get arrested for animal hording? Come on who does > that? She DOES need a neuter! From: D.S.Louis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson wrote: From: Lynda Wilson Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange & white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > delivered back to us safely. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > __- > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > >
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That's exactly how to do it - be nice and accommodating while biting your tongue really hard, get the anima(s) - and then POW! Let 'em have it between the eyes! But it just falls on deaf ears, so its purpose is probably more therapeutic for us to vent than to make some lasting impression on those people, who are probably just plain incorrigible! Maybe they're not even worth getting ourselves into a snit and raise our BP! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! bUT ONCE i GET THE ANIMAL IN MY HANDS, I USUALLY GIVE THEM A PIECE OF MY MIND Maureen Olvey wrote: > > The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the > animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need > to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the > road. Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes. > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700 > > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals > > to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out > > there get kittens and puppies and then drop them off once they get bigger > > or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It > > makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but > > makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because > > they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was > > just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. > > > > > > From: Edna Taylor > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it > > hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 > > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > > > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went > > > like > > > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > > > happened to be orange & white :) > > > > > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her > > > style. I > > > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having > > > any > > > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > > > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > > > how will he treat her? Geez! > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Edna Taylor" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump > > > my > > > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of > > > fact, > > > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > > > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add > > > insult > > > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > > > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should > > > be > > > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > > > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > > > > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > &
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My guys go for mice, moles and such. I just wish they would get more moles. I cannot even mow my lawn without stepping into a run and falling or the wheels get stuck. Most of the birds around our house are too fast for them. We also have tailess lizards and sinks. Maureen Olvey wrote: > > I like that too. However my husband just called to tell me one of our cats > just brought in a bird (we have a cat fence in our backyard) and that the > bird is trapped in my computer stand. Makes me wonder why I love those > little bloodthirsty killers. > > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:01:19 -0700 > > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB! > > > > > > From: Edna Taylor > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the > > truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, > > what amounts to really stupid reasons. They also leave them in abandoned, > > foreclosed homes to starve to death. Does this mean that we are not > > supportive and don't care? No, it means many of us are in rescue and our > > homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need > > to vent. Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, > > it means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB > > profile and I copied: > > > > "My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may > > eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, > > I promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are > > good at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They > > are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family." > > > > > > > > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500 > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me > > > sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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bUT ONCE i GET THE ANIMAL IN MY HANDS, I USUALLY GIVE THEM A PIECE OF MY MIND Maureen Olvey wrote: > > The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the > animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need > to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the > road. Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes. > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700 > > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals > > to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out > > there get kittens and puppies and then drop them off once they get bigger > > or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It > > makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but > > makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because > > they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was > > just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. > > > > > > From: Edna Taylor > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it > > hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 > > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > > > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went > > > like > > > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > > > happened to be orange & white :) > > > > > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her > > > style. I > > > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having > > > any > > > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > > > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > > > how will he treat her? Geez! > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Edna Taylor" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump > > > my > > > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of > > > fact, > > > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > > > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add > > > insult > > > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > > > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should > > > be > > > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > > > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > > > > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel > > > > and > > > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc > > > > etc. > > > > I've seen rescue groups
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These days, they don't even try to adopt out their children, they beat them and then say they fell out of the high chair. Or they get drunk and don't realize the infant fell into the pool. Many of tese people whould be FIXED SO THEY CANNOT BREED UP CHILDREN THEY DON'T REALLY WANT. tHEY DO NOT DESERVE A CHILD. "D.S.Louis" wrote: > KIDS? it is called child abuse...happens all the time..Grandmother in > Pheonix locked granddaughter in locker.because she stole a popcycle from > the frig.The girls mother left her with the grandmother because > GRANDMOTHER was abusive. SPAY AND NEUTER... --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Joslin Potter wrote: From: Joslin Potter Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 3:56 PM I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get kittens and puppies and then drop them off once they get bigger or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > happened to be orange & white :) > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > how will he treat her? Geez! > - Original Message - > From: "Edna Taylor" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel > > and > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my > > adopters > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will > > do) > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > > delivered back to us safely. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > > > I hate people (except us)
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We have a no kill shelter here in Lincoln County and the "animal control" officers are finally getting the message that shooting them or sticking their noses in the exhaust of a car is not the answer. They bring them to PALS. Problem is, PALS is strictly volunteer and contributions only. They get no help from anywhere so they do not have enough room for all that come in. Many people who are loosing their jobs and homes cannot afford to feed or care for them, have to move into rented house that does not allow animals (they do allow children who can in many cases be more destructive than animals), so they bring them to PALS. We are having a drive for money for food, blankets, meds and toys. They are very careful about who gets their animals, you have to go there and be interviewed before you can adopt. They want to be sure you will care for them and can afford a pet. What really bugs me is those who give away kittens and puppies at Walmart, etc. They don't know who is taking them and why, just want to get rid of them and go home. Some people will love them, but many just give in to the kids and then when no one wants to take care of them, they dump them.Like Easter chicks and bunnies. ter...@tazzys.org wrote: > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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If the cat smelled milk on the babies mouth, it might try to lick it off. I have a couple of persistant ones that will try to take food out of my mouth when it is something they want. I take a bite and they come running as soon as they smell it, almost have t eat standing up. Natalie wrote: > This is such an old "old wives' tale"; supposedly, a cat will smell the > breath of milk on a baby's mouth, and then try to suck the air out of the > baby's mouth/lungs - how ridiculous for anyone in the 21st Century to use > this lame and idiotic excuse! > I bet that if questioned further, with supplying the correct info and > suggesting any help, she would probably come right out and admit that she > just doesn't want the cat anymore! > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 10:20 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > I have been arond cats and dogs all my life and have never heard of a child > being smothered. Lil Bit has to lay on my shoulder, touching bare skin and > her whiskers tickle but that is all. Ask her to give you 1 verified > instance of a cat smothering a child. She can't find one. The cat is 12 > and probably needs extra care and she does not want to take care of it > anymore. > Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-05, Joslin Potter wrote: > > > > > I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking > > > to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and > > > she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child. > > > > What a crock that is. I have three grown children, and always had > > cats. None of them smothered my babies. > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is such an old "old wives' tale"; supposedly, a cat will smell the breath of milk on a baby's mouth, and then try to suck the air out of the baby's mouth/lungs - how ridiculous for anyone in the 21st Century to use this lame and idiotic excuse! I bet that if questioned further, with supplying the correct info and suggesting any help, she would probably come right out and admit that she just doesn't want the cat anymore! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 10:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I have been arond cats and dogs all my life and have never heard of a child being smothered. Lil Bit has to lay on my shoulder, touching bare skin and her whiskers tickle but that is all. Ask her to give you 1 verified instance of a cat smothering a child. She can't find one. The cat is 12 and probably needs extra care and she does not want to take care of it anymore. Lorrie wrote: > On 08-05, Joslin Potter wrote: > > > I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking > > to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and > > she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child. > > What a crock that is. I have three grown children, and always had > cats. None of them smothered my babies. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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To many, they are nothing more than a worn out pair of shoes. Lots of people in the country let their animals run loose and do not get them spayed/neutered because it costs too much. All they would have to do is do without beer and cigarettes and soda and all junk food for a month. Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-05, Edna Taylor wrote: > > > I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth > > is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and > > for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. > > So true. They give up their pets for no valid reason at all. > I've heard everything. "We are having a baby" or "the cat > leaves fur on my furniture", or "we are moving and the house is being > staged". Then there is the very worn out excuse about someone being > allergic. If I hear this one more time I think I'll deck the person > who tells me this. True some people are genuinely allergic, but this > is also the most often used excuse to dump a pet. I had one man tell > me he had a cousin who came to visit and she was allergic. I asked > how often this cousin came and he told me every couple of years > for a weekend! > > Sadly, I've found very few people think of a cat or dog as a lifetime > commitment. Instead they are just "things" to be disposed of when > they get sick, or grow up, or when you move! > > Lorrie > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have been arond cats and dogs all my life and have never heard of a child being smothered. Lil Bit has to lay on my shoulder, touching bare skin and her whiskers tickle but that is all. Ask her to give you 1 verified instance of a cat smothering a child. She can't find one. The cat is 12 and probably needs extra care and she does not want to take care of it anymore. Lorrie wrote: > On 08-05, Joslin Potter wrote: > > > I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking > > to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and > > she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child. > > What a crock that is. I have three grown children, and always had > cats. None of them smothered my babies. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Then, you could live in the country where many (especially men) have the attitude that if it isn't a money making crop, mow it. If I can't sell it , get rid of it. Most of the time that means shooting the critter. They make good practice targets just before hunting season. I get on my soapbox and have earned the name "crazy cat lady. Edna Taylor wrote: > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > > delivered back to us safely. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > > > __- > > > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > > > http://www.rescuties.org > > > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > > > Please help Trooper! > > > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper > > > > > > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they > > can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they > > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." > > > > - Nathan Winograd > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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> On 08-05, Edna Taylor wrote: > I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth > is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and > for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. So true. They give up their pets for no valid reason at all. I've heard everything. "We are having a baby" or "the cat leaves fur on my furniture", or "we are moving and the house is being staged". Then there is the very worn out excuse about someone being allergic. If I hear this one more time I think I'll deck the person who tells me this. True some people are genuinely allergic, but this is also the most often used excuse to dump a pet. I had one man tell me he had a cousin who came to visit and she was allergic. I asked how often this cousin came and he told me every couple of years for a weekend! Sadly, I've found very few people think of a cat or dog as a lifetime commitment. Instead they are just "things" to be disposed of when they get sick, or grow up, or when you move! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On 08-05, Joslin Potter wrote: > I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking > to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and > she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child. What a crock that is. I have three grown children, and always had cats. None of them smothered my babies. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Peggy, Shelter workers hear so many phoney reasons why people have brought in animals that they get very cynical and bitter. In your case you were helping the Husky, but they didn't know that. Lorrie > On 08-05, Peggy Verdonck wrote: >I totally agree, but another side of > the story...I got treated VERY bad by shelter personnel because I > brought in a stray husky I found on the side of the road! I knew > they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because I would > never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like > that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least > get off the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again! > Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog > in danger! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm sorry you feel this way - but I have NEVER met any rescuers who were, as you say, "cut-throat" on anything other than their total dedication for standing up for the helpless who are abused in more ways than we can imagine, although many of us believe that we have "seen it all". If they are anything close to that, at times, it would be perfectly understandable after being exposed to this work day after day, 24/7, for years. I cringe every time the telephone rings because I know that most of the time it will start with "I've got this cat", and the rest will be absolute garbage.. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Yes, I am. When I originally came to this list, it was because I had a kitten who tested "light pos" (I have since learned there is no such thing) and SR was giving me no support whatsoever so I came here for support instead. Everyone here wanted to know who the rescue was but I didn't tell them because I think telling names of rescues is tacky. Everyone here was also incredibly supportive when the horror that was visited on myself and my personal and rescued cats came. I have been really glad to have this list over the years. I love doing rescue but I've learned that other rescuers tend to be cutthroat and just plain mean to other people. I think if we were all nicer to other people and to animals this world would be a much better place. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > Kelley, > > Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue? > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie wrote: > > > > > We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or > > > sick > > > cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate > people > > > who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then > give > > > them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside > to > > > fend for themselves! > > > Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: > > > > > > Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD > > > A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet > > > supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is > > > about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. > Her > > > coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to > stay > > > in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like > to > > > help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at > this > > > time. > > > > > > There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your > > > animal. > > > My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats > > > because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats > into > > > our > > > home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy > cat > > > food is "do you have cable TV?" The response has often been "Yes, > butI > > > need it." > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor > > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, > > > giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point > > > (no, > > > I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio > who > > > appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL > and > > > all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. > > > > > > I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath > the > > > and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry > to > > > get off topic here with these posts and
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I agree. we are not speaking. From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the dark ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering babies. I can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw over it's mouth with the intention of smothering it. And about the whole licking the babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true the baby can still breath out of it's nose. I just can't see how it's possible for a cat to smother a baby. And cat's can't suck so they can't suck the breath from the baby. And even if they could suck the baby's lungs are stronger and bigger than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough breath out of it to smother it. Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around such stupid people. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700 > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get > rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't > take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has > happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby > than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but > I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her > house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when > there are hundreds of "babies" waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, > people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot > stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? > > From: Lorrie > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > throw-away-society! > > > __- > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi all, Sorry if this is long. I've been on this group/list for a very long time. Seen many members come and go over the course of time by expressing their opinions that others didn't approve. I continue to stay on for support and to help others if I can off the group/list. However, I do agree with Kelley. There are some nasty rescues out there. They are all over. I've been in rescue for over 30 years. So this pretty much explains what I've seen, heard, and been involved with over time. My first real personal kitty had FELV as he died in 1975 to secondary complications. This goes back into time 1972. Even though growing up we had other animals and my parents were reputable breeders of cats/dogs/horses/cattle. I wanted to help a kitten that was doom to die. I remember, calling my Dad and crying they couldn't do this to the baby. He came by and got the kitten for me. Anyway, the kitty was a 5 week old Siamese mix kitten that was dumped at the "Dog Pound" this is what they were called back then. They had revolving doors anyone was able to walk in. Attitudes were bad back then by the staff. What I saw was a status ego or it was just a job either they were burned out, or didn't care it was a paycheck. After what I saw growing up I decided to try and save as many as I could. It is unfortunate many shelters are still like this! Then another special Siamese kitten came along and stoled my heart. He too was FELV. He is the reason how my rescue finally got a name. "Tazzy" so he did not die in vain. His memory is kept alive by rescuing, TNR, and helping others most importantly the kitties go to good homes. I still rescue both negative and positive FELV Siamese kitties. Even though I am getting older...lol Also, been doing hoarding situations a bit in the last few years. Because reality is if I or my connections don't do something most will be euthanized by the city/county shelters. They want to make money not to lose it. It's okay to voice your opinions and air your beef when needed. Most of us understand and it shouldn't be taken seriously. If we didn't care we wouldn't react like this! I hope what I'm saying makes sense. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!From: Kelley Saveika <moonv...@gmail.com>Date: Fri, August 05, 2011 9:48 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgIn all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel andjudgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There'salways someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doingsomething right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out ofrescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I thinkwhenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adoptershave been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had ababy who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on aform you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to thepound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) anddelivered back to us safely.Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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KIDS? it is called child abuse...happens all the time..Grandmother in Pheonix locked granddaughter in locker.because she stole a popcycle from the frig.The girls mother left her with the grandmother because GRANDMOTHER was abusive. SPAY AND NEUTER... --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Joslin Potter wrote: From: Joslin Potter Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 3:56 PM I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get kittens and puppies and then drop them off once they get bigger or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > happened to be orange & white :) > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > how will he treat her? Geez! > - Original Message - > From: "Edna Taylor" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel > > and > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my > > adopters > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will > > do) > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > > delivered back to us safely. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > > dog g
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Yes, I am. When I originally came to this list, it was because I had a kitten who tested "light pos" (I have since learned there is no such thing) and SR was giving me no support whatsoever so I came here for support instead. Everyone here wanted to know who the rescue was but I didn't tell them because I think telling names of rescues is tacky. Everyone here was also incredibly supportive when the horror that was visited on myself and my personal and rescued cats came. I have been really glad to have this list over the years. I love doing rescue but I've learned that other rescuers tend to be cutthroat and just plain mean to other people. I think if we were all nicer to other people and to animals this world would be a much better place. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > Kelley, > > Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue? > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie wrote: > > > > > We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or > > > sick > > > cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate > people > > > who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then > give > > > them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside > to > > > fend for themselves! > > > Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: > > > > > > Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD > > > A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet > > > supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is > > > about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. > Her > > > coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to > stay > > > in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like > to > > > help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at > this > > > time. > > > > > > There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your > > > animal. > > > My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats > > > because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats > into > > > our > > > home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy > cat > > > food is "do you have cable TV?" The response has often been "Yes, > butI > > > need it." > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor > > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, > > > giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point > > > (no, > > > I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio > who > > > appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL > and > > > all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. > > > > > > I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath > the > > > and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry > to > > > get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not > in > > > rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can > > > never > > > be forgotten. > > > > > > As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying > there is > > > no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove > > > otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise > and I > > > have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I > have > > > not > > > gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and > no-kill > > > begins with NO BIRTH. > > > > > > Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting > off > > > topic. > > > > > > Edna Taylor > &g
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Edna, can I steal that line for my FB as well. lets see how far it travels around the rescue community! --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Joslin Potter wrote: > From: Joslin Potter > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 7:01 PM > i like that Edna, I'm so posting > that to my FB! > > > From: Edna Taylor > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the > truth is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming > rate and for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid > reasons. They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed > homes to starve to death. Does this mean that we are not > supportive and don't care? No, it means many of us are in > rescue and our homes are usually filled to the brim with > cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent. Doesn't mean that > we no longer want to support and help others, it means that > our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB > profile and I copied: > > "My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have > imperfections, may eventually have health problems, and be a > lot of work. But when I got them, I promised them a forever > home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at > something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. > They are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my > family." > > > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, > positive list. It makes me > > sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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AMEN to that! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the dark ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering babies. I can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw over it's mouth with the intention of smothering it. And about the whole licking the babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true the baby can still breath out of it's nose. I just can't see how it's possible for a cat to smother a baby. And cat's can't suck so they can't suck the breath from the baby. And even if they could suck the baby's lungs are stronger and bigger than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough breath out of it to smother it. Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around such stupid people. "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark Twain > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700 > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when there are hundreds of "babies" waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? > > From: Lorrie > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > throw-away-society! > > > __- > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's true - rescuers get to see and hear of real scum of the earth - Do Not Adopt lists circulate constantly of people who pretend to be nice, but end up torturing kittens and cats. I had an alert of a woman on Long Island with three children and 2 cats who lost her home and is going to a shelter, where she can't keep her cats. For a while, they lived in her car with the cats. She is looking for someone to foster her two cats until she can get her act togetherthat's a NICE person; she doesn't want to give up her other children! I have one nice large cat condo available right now and offered to keep them for her...haven't heard back yet. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I guess we've all seen a little of everything. The problem with us in rescue is that by definition "rescue" means you are rescuing homeless or abused animals. So rescue people will always see the worst and it makes us hard and cynical. The pure selfishness of people probably gets to me worse than anything else. Although there are definitely some sick SOBs out there too. Kelley, I would guess that the rescue you've worked with is an exception, not the rule. At least I hope so. None of the rescues in my area seem that way. Definitely not the rescue I work with. Although we may not agree with the way other rescues do some things we're not going to sabotage them because they're helping animals that we can't help. I'm in GA and there's a serious overpopulation problem here. Dang cats don't take a break in winter and reproduce all year long. Among my rescue group we may individually talk about the way we don't like a rescue handling things (we can all be a little catty) but we never tell other people outside our main core group that because it makes us look bad to bad-mouth another group in public. Within our group we'll get pissed off at each other sometimes but that's a personality thing usually. Guess I'm lucky to have a group like mine. We've done some things with the other groups too and I'll send people there if they want a particular kind of animal that we don't have at the time - like if they want a declawed cat and we don't have one I'll send them to another group. Like I said, I'm lucky. It sounds like you've worked with some crazies though. I guess as far as people go I've seen a lot of bad but I've also seen a lot of good. Sometimes I'm amazed the people that come by our adoptions to tell us about their wonderful cat/dog and how they've spoiled them rotten and I've been so fortunate to have found great homes for my animals. It's amazing to me to see so many animal lovers. I thought I was the only sick one out there :-) My husband definitely thinks I'm the only one there is that loves animals the way I do. But, there's a lot of selfish people too and it's shocking to me the people that see animals as an object. It's like they don't realize that it's a living being with feelings and needs. It's like they don't even realize that by "getting rid" of their animal they are ripping it from it's home and turning their world upside down. My co-worker said his mother needed to get rid of her cats and his attitude was so casual like "oh we'll just send them on" I wanted to slap him and say it's their home too. I told him that if she was ready to give them up so easily she's probably one of those people who didn't need animals. And it gets worse than that. We've gotten animals that have been thrown out the car window while it was still moving and all kinds of crazy stuff. Now that's just cruel. Finding kittens & puppies in dumpsters in common around here. Those are the kinds of people that many of us hate, or at least have no use for. There are a lot of those sick people and there's no denying it. But I guess even the ones with the casual attitude that just get tired of their pets are probably the worse because they're not sick in the head, they're just plain selfish and heartless. They know better and still toss the animal out just cause they want to and what they want matters more to them. Like Natalie said, it's a throw away society. And the reason is because of plain selfishness and lack of empathy. This economy has made things a lot worse in our area. There are people with legitimate reasons for needing to re-home their animals, like getting foreclosed on. I always say that if I lose my house I'd live in my car in the woods with my animals before I'd turn them out, but if you've
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You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the dark ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering babies. I can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw over it's mouth with the intention of smothering it. And about the whole licking the babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true the baby can still breath out of it's nose. I just can't see how it's possible for a cat to smother a baby. And cat's can't suck so they can't suck the breath from the baby. And even if they could suck the baby's lungs are stronger and bigger than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough breath out of it to smother it. Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around such stupid people. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700 > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get > rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't > take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has > happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby > than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but > I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her > house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when > there are hundreds of "babies" waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, > people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot > stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? > > From: Lorrie > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > throw-away-society! > > > __- > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the road. Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700 > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals > to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out > there get kittens and puppies and then drop them off once they get bigger or > realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It > makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but > makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because > they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was > just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. > > > From: Edna Taylor > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it > hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like > > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > > happened to be orange & white :) > > > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. > > I > > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any > > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > > how will he treat her? Geez! > > - Original Message - > > From: "Edna Taylor" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my > > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, > > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add > > insult > > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should > > be > > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel > > > and > > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my > > > adopters > > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will > > > do) > > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > &
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I like that too. However my husband just called to tell me one of our cats just brought in a bird (we have a cat fence in our backyard) and that the bird is trapped in my computer stand. Makes me wonder why I love those little bloodthirsty killers. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:01:19 -0700 > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB! > > > From: Edna Taylor > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > > > I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the > truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what > amounts to really stupid reasons. They also leave them in abandoned, > foreclosed homes to starve to death. Does this mean that we are not > supportive and don't care? No, it means many of us are in rescue and our > homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to > vent. Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, it > means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB profile > and I copied: > > "My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may > eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I > promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good > at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not > only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family." > > > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me > > sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I guess we've all seen a little of everything. The problem with us in rescue is that by definition "rescue" means you are rescuing homeless or abused animals. So rescue people will always see the worst and it makes us hard and cynical. The pure selfishness of people probably gets to me worse than anything else. Although there are definitely some sick SOBs out there too. Kelley, I would guess that the rescue you've worked with is an exception, not the rule. At least I hope so. None of the rescues in my area seem that way. Definitely not the rescue I work with. Although we may not agree with the way other rescues do some things we're not going to sabotage them because they're helping animals that we can't help. I'm in GA and there's a serious overpopulation problem here. Dang cats don't take a break in winter and reproduce all year long. Among my rescue group we may individually talk about the way we don't like a rescue handling things (we can all be a little catty) but we never tell other people outside our main core group that because it makes us look bad to bad-mouth another group in public. Within our group we'll get pissed off at each other sometimes but that's a personality thing usually. Guess I'm lucky to have a group like mine. We've done some things with the other groups too and I'll send people there if they want a particular kind of animal that we don't have at the time - like if they want a declawed cat and we don't have one I'll send them to another group. Like I said, I'm lucky. It sounds like you've worked with some crazies though. I guess as far as people go I've seen a lot of bad but I've also seen a lot of good. Sometimes I'm amazed the people that come by our adoptions to tell us about their wonderful cat/dog and how they've spoiled them rotten and I've been so fortunate to have found great homes for my animals. It's amazing to me to see so many animal lovers. I thought I was the only sick one out there :-) My husband definitely thinks I'm the only one there is that loves animals the way I do. But, there's a lot of selfish people too and it's shocking to me the people that see animals as an object. It's like they don't realize that it's a living being with feelings and needs. It's like they don't even realize that by "getting rid" of their animal they are ripping it from it's home and turning their world upside down. My co-worker said his mother needed to get rid of her cats and his attitude was so casual like "oh we'll just send them on" I wanted to slap him and say it's their home too. I told him that if she was ready to give them up so easily she's probably one of those people who didn't need animals. And it gets worse than that. We've gotten animals that have been thrown out the car window while it was still moving and all kinds of crazy stuff. Now that's just cruel. Finding kittens & puppies in dumpsters in common around here. Those are the kinds of people that many of us hate, or at least have no use for. There are a lot of those sick people and there's no denying it. But I guess even the ones with the casual attitude that just get tired of their pets are probably the worse because they're not sick in the head, they're just plain selfish and heartless. They know better and still toss the animal out just cause they want to and what they want matters more to them. Like Natalie said, it's a throw away society. And the reason is because of plain selfishness and lack of empathy. This economy has made things a lot worse in our area. There are people with legitimate reasons for needing to re-home their animals, like getting foreclosed on. I always say that if I lose my house I'd live in my car in the woods with my animals before I'd turn them out, but if you've got kids you can't do that and sometimes you have to choose. And there are many other legitimate reasons and people bring us their animals with tears. But by and large, it's some sorry ass excuse that we can see right through. I think because a lot of us in rescue see more homeless animals than we can possibly adopt out it's hard to remember all the good people we've met through rescue. It seems the negative outweighs the good just in sheer numbers so I have to remind myself that although there really are some no good rotten people there are some truly wonderful people too with good hearts. Even so, I have to admit that I say "I hate people" on a regular basis too. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list
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UUHH, Natalie that just irks me, you know my best friend has 6 cats, most of them she took home from our house as i said before we have a lot of drop offs, and they do not have internet or cable because their animals come FIRST, they also have two dogs, but still she said that these are her children, and like you Cable is nice but so is a good book, and she can watch television on her phone, but still. As she says, one less bill is one more bag of food. From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to fend for themselves! Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this time. There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal. My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat food is "do you have cable TV?" The response has often been "Yes, butI need it." -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person > value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is > not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats > and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find > homes for more animals. > > Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this > stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis wrote: > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB! From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes to starve to death. Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care? No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent. Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied: "My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family." > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me > sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get kittens and puppies and then drop them off once they get bigger or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > happened to be orange & white :) > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > how will he treat her? Geez! > - Original Message ----- > From: "Edna Taylor" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel > > and > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my > > adopters > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will > > do) > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > > delivered back to us safely. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > > > __- > > > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > > > nothing of
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Are you serious, did she get arrested for animal hording? Come on who does that? She DOES need a neuter! From: D.S.Louis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson wrote: From: Lynda Wilson Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange & white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > delivered back to us safely. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > __- > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > Please help Trooper! > > http://rescu
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What a wonderful example of how to handle a situation, I get that your "kids" come before pets, I'm happy to hear they just didnt go and drop them off, and you know they were just hoping for the best when they even offered to pay to send the cats back. Everytime we get a drop of my heart just sinks, this more animal, what is it thinking, more so the older ones, you know? No matter the situation how can people just open a door and toss out an animal? From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > throw-away-society! > > > __- > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when there are hundreds of "babies" waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > throw-away-society! > __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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good for you Peggy, people can be so judgemental, we went to adopt a dog from the pound and had our daughter with us and they informed us that with a child that puppy could not be trusted! I was so upset I have never gone back, I normally turn to Criags list we have a lot of kitten drop offs and with a FeLV + cat it's just to hard to keep them all 8( But well said, you know your truth! From: Peggy Verdonck To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by shelter personnel because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again! Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in danger! On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, "Lorrie" wrote: > This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see > too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored > glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and > uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as > disposable "things". > > Lorrie > >> On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: > >> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It >> makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Kelley, Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue? > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie wrote: > > > We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or > > sick > > cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people > > who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give > > them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to > > fend for themselves! > > Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: > > > > Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD > > A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet > > supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is > > about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her > > coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay > > in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to > > help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this > > time. > > > > There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your > > animal. > > My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats > > because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into > > our > > home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat > > food is "do you have cable TV?" The response has often been "Yes, butI > > need it." > > > > -Original Message- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, > > giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point > > (no, > > I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who > > appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL and > > all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. > > > > I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the > > and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to > > get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in > > rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can > > never > > be forgotten. > > > > As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is > > no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove > > otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I > > have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have > > not > > gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill > > begins with NO BIRTH. > > > > Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off > > topic. > > > > Edna Taylor > > Texas Siamese Rescue > > > > > > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > > > According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person > > > value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there > > is > > > not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats > > > and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find > > > homes for more animals. > > > > > > Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about > > this > > > stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis wrote: > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleuk
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I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie wrote: > We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or > sick > cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people > who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give > them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to > fend for themselves! > Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: > > Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD > A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet > supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is > about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her > coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay > in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to > help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this > time. > > There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your > animal. > My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats > because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into > our > home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat > food is "do you have cable TV?" The response has often been "Yes, butI > need it." > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, > giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point > (no, > I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who > appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL and > all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. > > I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the > and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to > get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in > rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can > never > be forgotten. > > As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is > no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove > otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I > have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have > not > gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill > begins with NO BIRTH. > > Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off > topic. > > Edna Taylor > Texas Siamese Rescue > > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person > > value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there > is > > not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats > > and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find > > homes for more animals. > > > > Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about > this > > stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis wrote: > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.We recently had a cat in our program who was being advertised on Craigslist because she kept peeing outside the box. Everyone CANNOT keep a cat that keeps peeing outside the box. Everyone is not like us. Yes, they tried different diets, tests for uri, tests for kidney function, different litters and different litter boxes. Nothing worked. The original rescue refused to take the cat back, kept flagging the CL ads - AND SAID TO HAVE THE CAT PUT DOWN BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS A CAT WHO PEES ON THE FLOOR. These people loved the cat and did not want to take her to a shelter. I stepped in and lent them a condo to keep her in so she wouldn't mess the floor while I went so far as to track down the original breeder of the cat (in California) . However we were lucky enough to find a foster in Dallas who specializes in cats with pee problems who took her in. I have had a cat returned twice now who pees outside the box, again the adopters have tried EVERYTHING and really wanted to keep her. I have seen people in my area spend FIVE YEARS spending much of their time running a rescue out of business instead of saving lives because they did not like the way they did rescue. Now there is another large rescue people hate because they do not like the way they do rescue and instead of saving animals actually go around to the various adoption sites pretending to be potential adopters and grilling the volunteers. I am so sick of rescue attitudes I could just scream. Some of the nastiest, vilest people I have ever met have been in rescue - and to be fair some of the kindest as well. Cruelty to humans is still cruelty. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Lorrie wrote: > This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see > too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored > glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and > uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as > disposable "things". > > Lorrie > > > On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: > > > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It > > makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by shelter personnel because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again! Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in danger! On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, "Lorrie" wrote: > This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see > too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored > glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and > uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as > disposable "things". > > Lorrie > >> On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: > >> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It >> makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to fend for themselves! Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this time. There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal. My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat food is "do you have cable TV?" The response has often been "Yes, butI need it." -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person > value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is > not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats > and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find > homes for more animals. > > Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this > stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis wrote: > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as disposable "things". Lorrie > On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It > makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person > value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is > not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats > and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find > homes for more animals. > > Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this > stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis wrote: > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes to starve to death. Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care? No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent. Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied: "My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family." > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me > sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up.Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis wrote: > Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs > this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght > in 8 dogs.. > > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson wrote: > > > From: Lynda Wilson > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM > > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > happened to be orange & white :) > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. > I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > how will he treat her? Geez! > - Original Message ----- From: "Edna Taylor" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel > and > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my > adopters > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will > do) > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > > delivered back to us safely. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie > wrote: > > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > > > __- > > > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > > > > > >
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Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > Kudos to her :) > - Original Message - From: "D.S.Louis" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs >> this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght >> in 8 dogs.. >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson wrote: >> >> >> From: Lynda Wilson >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM >> >> >> That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a >> kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like >> hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who >> happened to be orange & white :) >> >> This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. >> I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any >> other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have >> tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then >> how will he treat her? Geez! >> - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! >> >> >> >> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my >> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, >> got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat >> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult >> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the >> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be >> spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many >> people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( >> >> >> From: moonv...@gmail.com >>> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! >>> >>> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel >>> and >>> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. >>> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's >>> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing >>> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. >>> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of >>> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think >>> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my >>> adopters >>> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a >>> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a >>> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will >>> do) >>> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the >>> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and >>> delivered back to us safely. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie >>> wrote: >>> >>> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: >>> > >>> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel >>> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter >>> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought >>> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone >>> > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or >>> > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a >>> > > throw-away-society! >>> > > >>> > __**- >>> > >>> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my >>> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats >>> > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think >
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Kudos to her :) - Original Message - From: "D.S.Louis" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson wrote: From: Lynda Wilson Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange & white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > throw-away-society! > > > __- > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleu
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See, that is why I have a hard time fostering anymore, I DON'T know where they will end up or what will happen. I rescued two beautiful Flame Point Himis from the Houston SPCA and they were SO skinny and, of course, had ringworm. Well, after 3 months of nursing them back to health and getting to know how special they were, I finally adopted them out to a home that I assumed was really good and, all things considered, it IS a good home; however, they let them outside and one of them was taken by an owl. My rules are very clear, no declawing, no outside, no dumping them at a shelter or giving them away, but people don't listen and do what they want to do. I know we have all gotten the call "hey, I found this cat, she/he is starving, has a bunch of health problems and the microchip comes back to your group" and when you call the adopter, they will not answer your calls or emails. One more story about trusting people. A local rescue group her got a call from the shelter telling them that someone turned in one of their cats (microchipped) and come to find out, it was the FOSTER who took the cat to the shelter. Hard to trust anyone these days :( > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:30:17 -0400 > From: at...@optonline.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy > problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two > before leaving. Yes, I agree about "some" rescue groups, but also seldom > happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason. > With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am > at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with > the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes > on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring > back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never > hear from, and I worry about them. I stay in touch with MOST adopters! > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > delivered back to us safely. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > __- > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > ht
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Arizona and Florida were hardest hit in 2008/2009 when the real estate market tanked and because of that those two states have the biggest influx of pets into shelters and animals left behind at foreclosed houses. I read an article yesterday about Homestead Florida and the numbers of abandoned pets. One was at a house that used to be owned by a woman who was a dog rescuer, there were many dogs left behind :( Of course, as the article points out, the big screen TVs and jewelry, XBox game systems, etc. were not left behind, only the animals :( So, am I a bit jaded? yes, yes I am > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:17:43 -0700 > From: delain...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this > weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 > dogs.. > > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson wrote: > > > From: Lynda Wilson > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM > > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > happened to be orange & white :) > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how > will he treat her? Geez! > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna Taylor" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > > delivered back to us safely. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > > > __- > > > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've re
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YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who > happened to be orange & white :) > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then > how will he treat her? Geez! > - Original Message - > From: "Edna Taylor" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel > > and > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my > > adopters > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will > > do) > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > > delivered back to us safely. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > > > __- > > > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > > > http://www.rescuties.org > > > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > > > http://www.zazzle.com/resc
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I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > delivered back to us safely. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > __- > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > Please help Trooper! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper > > > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they > can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." > > - Nathan Winograd > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two before leaving. Yes, I agree about "some" rescue groups, but also seldom happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason. With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never hear from, and I worry about them. I stay in touch with MOST adopters! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > throw-away-society! > > > __- > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson wrote: From: Lynda Wilson Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange & white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > delivered back to us safely. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > __- > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > Please help Trooper! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper > > > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they > can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they > should sit do
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That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange & white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > throw-away-society! > > > __- > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's a sad, selfish world!!! - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( > From: moonv...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and > delivered back to us safely. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > > throw-away-society! > > > > > __- > > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > Please help Trooper! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper > > > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they > can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." > > - Nathan Winograd > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > > throw-away-society! > > > __- > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
On 08-04, Natalie wrote: > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a > throw-away-society! > __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
