Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update
Jenny it is wonderful to hear that Autumn is recovering. I am praying that TCLI will get her through this. We'll all be waiting for her progress reports. I know that many vets are suspicious of treatments outside of their parameters. My vet was turned off Imulan by their inability to give her data on clinical trials. If Autumn continues to improve and recover from deaths door, we will all celebrate with you and there will be hope for all our cats. Jane On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:24 AM, jbero tds.net wrote: Hello everyone, I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection (Imulan). When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was starting with respiratory distress and crying out. Her hematocrit was 4%. She was on her way out. She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4 of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it. She did. Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving. I got the second injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday. Everyday she's looking better. She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently. This may only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for now. I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with. In the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements and intermittently transfer factor. She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice - secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving and her alertness returning. I will keep you updated. I pray that there is hope in this injection. It seems to me that the science is pretty sound. Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+. It is reasonable since their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease. Most of us have experienced that first hand. I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet. I have nothing but good experiences with them so far. We shall see, good luck everyone. Jenny On 8/30/09, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update
Along with LTCI, we also use Prednisolne. Our cats HCT stays within normal limits, from 9% to 42% Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:24 AM, "jbero tds.net" wrote: Hello everyone, I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection (Imulan). When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was starting with respiratory distress and crying out. Her hematocrit was 4%. She was on her way out. She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4 of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it. She did. Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving. I got the second injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday. Everyday she's looking better. She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently. This may only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for now. I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with. In the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements and intermittently transfer factor. She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice - secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving and her alertness returning. I will keep you updated. I pray that there is hope in this injection. It seems to me that the science is pretty sound. Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+. It is reasonable since their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease. Most of us have experienced that first hand. I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet. I have nothing but good experiences with them so far. We shall see, good luck everyone. Jenny On 8/30/09, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update
I do hope that Autumn gets better with the LTCI. If she comes back by any means from a HCT level of 4%, it will be quite a feat. Just a couple of comments. First, as far as I have seen, there is very little science to back up Imulan's claims. There have been no real trials, just short term, limited and sometimes not well controlled or documented, "experiments". Second, if they are more than happy to talk to you, they have changed their ways since I called. When I called (some months ago) they would not discuss any technical info with me and when my vets office called they wouldn't discuss it with anyone but the vet himself. I would love it if they would run a real trial, but I fear they are now making so much money as things are right now, they will never do it. They just ran a very short (couple of months) trial of using LTCI on cats with the dry form of FIP. There is a lady on the FIP list that had several of her allegedly FIP positive cats in the trial. The criteria for getting a cat into the trial excluded cats with some of the most common symptoms of dry FIP and did not even require complete blood work. They seemed to concentrate on a feline corona virus titer test, which, even the company who makes it admits does not diagnose FIP, it is only an indicator. For Autumn's sake I hope it works. There have been reports of it helping and reports of it not doing anything noticeable. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update Hello everyone, I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection(Imulan). When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was starting with respiratory distress and crying out. Her hematocrit was 4%. She was on her way out. She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4 of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it. She did. Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving. I got the second injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday. Everyday she's looking better. She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently. This may only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for now. I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with. In the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements and intermittently transfer factor. She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice - secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving and her alertness returning. I will keep you updated. I pray that there is hope in this injection. It seems to me that the science is pretty sound. Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+. It is reasonable since their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease. Most of us have experienced that first hand. I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet. I have nothing but good experiences with them so far. We shall see, good luck everyone. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update
Hello everyone, I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection(Imulan). When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was starting with respiratory distress and crying out. Her hematocrit was 4%. She was on her way out. She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4 of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it. She did. Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving. I got the second injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday. Everyday she's looking better. She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently. This may only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for now. I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with. In the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements and intermittently transfer factor. She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice - secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving and her alertness returning. I will keep you updated. I pray that there is hope in this injection. It seems to me that the science is pretty sound. Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+. It is reasonable since their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease. Most of us have experienced that first hand. I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet. I have nothing but good experiences with them so far. We shall see, good luck everyone. Jenny On 8/30/09, Alice Flowers wrote: > > After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and > she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th > kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning > because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in > the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned > a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction > to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed > out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another > cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that > the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this > product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 > have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good > month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped > them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just > crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. > We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent > over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will > work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is > that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to > crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should > just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing > up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy > (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to > live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
Alice, Gentle hugs for Schatzi, Jack, Buster and Oni. I know how heartbreaking it is to lose them. I've lost 5 positive rescues this year, four from the came litter and feel your pain. I understand your desire to do anything you can to help Rosie and Murphy. Please let us know how they do with the shots. I'll light a candle tonight for your babies. Sharyl --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Alice Flowers wrote: > From: Alice Flowers > Subject: [Felvtalk] IMULAN > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 1:54 PM > After hearing about this product-I > called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it > for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this > morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this > morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. > Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th > brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year > old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had > a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the > first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I > still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the > tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that > the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want > to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie > and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of > their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half > without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped > them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets > tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for > months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left > out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 > grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know > it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will > know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being > from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like > all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just > euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy > are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees > right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. > They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. > Alice, Rosie and Murphy > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan for Jane
Jane, I will see if my vet will talk to yours. Do you want to send me your vet's phone number or email address? Then I will ask my vet if she will contact yours. She may want your vet to contact her. I will just have to ask her. I can't post her contact information here. I have it only because she is also a friend. Is your vet a specialist or "GP"? Thanks, lauriesk...@mchsi.com -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan Would be interesting to hear from folks who have used Imulan - Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: > This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on > this list, that people have come on > to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. > Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, > and then just last week I went back > to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each > time I have been told, emphatically > that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called > Imulan twice and each time she has been > turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical > data. > > If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I > would appreciate the information. > > Thanks > Jane > > > > > > > On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: > . >> promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of >> agriculture uses. >> >> LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been >> promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but >> when you >> have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on >> the open >> market priced and promoted as if it were proven. >> >> that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and >> if they >> REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be >> doing >> major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could >> believe in. >> and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they >> have to >> pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. >> >> think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual >> clinical >> trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan >> could get >> real data. >> >> MC >> >> >> >> -- >> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >> Maybe That'll Make The Difference >> >> MaryChristine >> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org >> ) >> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ >> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
Alice, I am so sorry to hear about Schatzi... Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] IMULAN After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
I've gotten MeMe past the three year hurdle using Interferon alpha, DMG and a raw diet. Considering how sick she was when we got her, every day is a miracle. Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I do that too - try things to see what works, when they sound possible and likely. When they can't breathe, due to mediastinal lymphoma, I have the fluid drawn off, and after that it's up for grabs - have treated each one differently. One of them, Mittens, I treated that way, and the vet treated him with Vincristine (chemotherapy) for a few weeks. He had transfusions too. He died quietly of anemia, most likely. Course there are different types of FELV that morph into different symptoms and problems. I have one friend who has had hers on oral interferon alpha daily, and kitty has made it past 3 years, think is now 5 or 6. Thanks for your email, Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
i, too, hope that LCTI works--we need a miracle. On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: > I can really understand your desperation, Alice. I really hope the Imulan > works. We'll be waiting for your > updates and hoping that Rosie and Murphy live a very long life. > > Jane > > On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: > > After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and >> she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th >> kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning >> because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in >> the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned >> a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction >> to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed >> out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another >> cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that >> the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this >> product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 >> have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good >> month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped >> them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just >> crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. >> We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent >> over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will >> work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is >> that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to >> crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should >> just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing >> up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy >> (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to >> live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
We have been using it for a while with good luck. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:44 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: Would be interesting to hear from folks who have used Imulan - Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on this list, that people have come on to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, and then just last week I went back to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each time I have been told, emphatically that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called Imulan twice and each time she has been turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical data. If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I would appreciate the information. Thanks Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: . promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
I can really understand your desperation, Alice. I really hope the Imulan works. We'll be waiting for your updates and hoping that Rosie and Murphy live a very long life. Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now- they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old- I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
Jane, Contact me at cstet...@hotmail.com, I will share my vets info. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on this list, that people have come on to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, and then just last week I went back to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each time I have been told, emphatically that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called Imulan twice and each time she has been turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical data. If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I would appreciate the information. Thanks Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: . promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
I do that too - try things to see what works, when they sound possible and likely. When they can't breathe, due to mediastinal lymphoma, I have the fluid drawn off, and after that it's up for grabs - have treated each one differently. One of them, Mittens, I treated that way, and the vet treated him with Vincristine (chemotherapy) for a few weeks. He had transfusions too. He died quietly of anemia, most likely. Course there are different types of FELV that morph into different symptoms and problems. I have one friend who has had hers on oral interferon alpha daily, and kitty has made it past 3 years, think is now 5 or 6. Thanks for your email, Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now- they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old- I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
Alice, I am so sorry to hear about all your losses. That's just too much loss for just a few months. Gentle Bridge vibes to Schatzi, Buster, Oni and Jack, and hugs to you. Best wishes for Rosie and Murphy to beat the odds. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] IMULAN After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] IMULAN
After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
Would be interesting to hear from folks who have used Imulan - Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on this list, that people have come on to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, and then just last week I went back to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each time I have been told, emphatically that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called Imulan twice and each time she has been turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical data. If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I would appreciate the information. Thanks Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: . promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on this list, that people have come on to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, and then just last week I went back to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each time I have been told, emphatically that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called Imulan twice and each time she has been turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical data. If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I would appreciate the information. Thanks Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: . promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
I sent Imulan info to our vet. She worked wonders with our FeLV+ cat. This was her response: Hi Laurie - thanks for the email. I have used this product in one cat so far. It didn't work for her, but we got her way too late, so it's not a good one to base any opinions on. From the research I have seen on it, I think it looks very promising. Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
to answer your questions, because there's no real proof that lcti does anything. most vets find what is given out by imulan to be incredibly UNCONVINCING, because it is not scientifically defensible. maybe at some point it will be, but it's not at this point. it's not a drug, it's a "treatment aid," that will never have FDA approval, and only has conditional approval (meaning it SHOWS PROMISE OF BEING EFFECTIVE) from the department of agriculture. if the company truly cared about the cats, and really thought that it was the miracle treatment they want to claim it is, they would be doing RIGOROUS clinical trials--not the 4-week-long ones that they are offering to vets and sanctuaries, and they would NOT be charging such a high price for an unproven product. if LCTI is truly the answer, they'd want to do the proving first, then it could be offered at a reasonable price to everyone with a positive cat. they just approved a puff piece video that calls FIV, "Feline AIDS," which is absolutely indefensible, and will just contribute to more perfectly healthy cats dying from human ignorance, and their only reference to FeLV on their site is wikipedia. it has been in all the journals and publications, and because there's NO peer-reviewed literature (and not even a single, statistically significant piece of research,) the majority of practitioners take one look at the, "proof," and walk away. please do not refer to this product as a drug, because it is not. it's not even a treatment, by the manufacturer's own admission. use it if you like, and can afford it, but i cannot figure out why people are not asking more questions. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
HI, IS IMULAN USED WHEN THE CATS AREN'T DOING WELL? I HAVE A COULPLE WITH FELV ,BUT THEY ARE PERFECTLY HEALTHY. SHOULD I BE GIVING THEM SOMETHING NOW.?tHANKS --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Embarq Customer wrote: From: Embarq Customer Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 2:25 PM I've been a member here for quite a while, but hardly ever respond with comments. However, thanks to the good people on this list & your discussions about Imulan, our little Jake, three-legged & an absolutely wonderful cat, is now on Imulan injections to try to forestall his non-regenerative anemia. I had printed off some of your information to give to our vet, who is ordinarily very progressive and well-informed, & he said he'd never heard of Imulan, but was very interested. So he called Prolab, who is the manufacturer of it, who was happy to send him 13 pages of very persuasive information. He was truly impressed with what he read, & of course, ordered it for us. He says that he can't wait to retest Jake's blood about a week after his second injection, because he is so excited about the implications. Imulan is truly Jake's only chance. After only one day, Jake is more alert, & already his appetite has picked up some, so we are hopeful. And not only for Jake, but for all of our other fur babies. We have a small sanctuary here, Haven Hill, where all the 25 resident cats are FeLV+, but fortunately, none of the others are symptomatic at this time. The Imulan is $78/injection, & that's in TN, in case anyone is interested. Expensive, yes, but perhaps we will only need to have one cat on it at a time. The one thing that threw our vet, as well as us, is just WHY isn't information about Imulan being more widely circulated? It should be in all the vet journals & publications! Also, there should be a faster means to get this drug into the hands of the vets. We had it over-nighted from MO, and it took two days -- which is a lot of time, when our little ones are waiting for it! Their regular delivery to us would have taken from Wed. until Mon. -- just WAY too much time! At any rate, we are grateful to have it, & are praying for a turn-around for Jake. We also have him on Transfer Factor. Again, I want to thank all of you on this list for all the valuable information you pass on to all of us. Being a member of this group has offered me an amazing education about FeLV that I probably wouldn't have gotten otherwise. So, thank you. And God bless all of you & your little ones. I will keep you posted as to Jake's progress. Diane Owner/Haven Hill, in the lovely mountains of Virginia, near the TN line ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Imulan
I've been a member here for quite a while, but hardly ever respond with comments. However, thanks to the good people on this list & your discussions about Imulan, our little Jake, three-legged & an absolutely wonderful cat, is now on Imulan injections to try to forestall his non-regenerative anemia. I had printed off some of your information to give to our vet, who is ordinarily very progressive and well-informed, & he said he'd never heard of Imulan, but was very interested. So he called Prolab, who is the manufacturer of it, who was happy to send him 13 pages of very persuasive information. He was truly impressed with what he read, & of course, ordered it for us. He says that he can't wait to retest Jake's blood about a week after his second injection, because he is so excited about the implications. Imulan is truly Jake's only chance. After only one day, Jake is more alert, & already his appetite has picked up some, so we are hopeful. And not only for Jake, but for all of our other fur babies. We have a small sanctuary here, Haven Hill, where all the 25 resident cats are FeLV+, but fortunately, none of the others are symptomatic at this time. The Imulan is $78/injection, & that's in TN, in case anyone is interested. Expensive, yes, but perhaps we will only need to have one cat on it at a time. The one thing that threw our vet, as well as us, is just WHY isn't information about Imulan being more widely circulated? It should be in all the vet journals & publications! Also, there should be a faster means to get this drug into the hands of the vets. We had it over-nighted from MO, and it took two days -- which is a lot of time, when our little ones are waiting for it! Their regular delivery to us would have taken from Wed. until Mon. -- just WAY too much time! At any rate, we are grateful to have it, & are praying for a turn-around for Jake. We also have him on Transfer Factor. Again, I want to thank all of you on this list for all the valuable information you pass on to all of us. Being a member of this group has offered me an amazing education about FeLV that I probably wouldn't have gotten otherwise. So, thank you. And God bless all of you & your little ones. I will keep you posted as to Jake's progress. Diane Owner/Haven Hill, in the lovely mountains of Virginia, near the TN line ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
Thanks Jenny, I hope your sweet girl pulls through. Please keep us posted. Amy --- On Tue, 8/25/09, jbero tds.net wrote: > From: jbero tds.net > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 11:01 AM > Amy, > > The shot cost me $60. It is somewhat expensive and > still pretty new to the > field. I think if you can get them started early on > before the bone marrow > suppression starts you have a better chance at controlling > the virus. I > don't know all the details. I am planning on calling > them today to ask a > few more questions. I will keep you updated. > Good luck with your decision. > > Jenny > > > On 8/24/09, Amy > wrote: > > > > Jenny, > > > > Do you mind me asking the price of a shot? I'm > thinking of trying this for > > my cats but I think I heard $90 a shot somewhere and > I'm thinking that means > > $360 the first month, $200 the second month, and $90 a > month after that. I > > have several cats and am trying to figure out if it's > practical for me to > > start it. > > > > Thanks > > Amy > > > > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, jbero tds.net > wrote: > > > > > From: jbero tds.net > > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic > immunomodulator > > > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:19 PM > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > I really hope this email works. I have been > a part of > > > this community for > > > awhile but don't often respond. I did, > however, want > > > to share this with > > > you. > > > > > > I have had two cats die from severe anemia and > bone marrow > > > suppression > > > associated from felv+. It is a common cause > of death > > > for these guys and I > > > have heard over and again in this forum. > > > > > > I currently have another sweet little girl who is > about 1 > > > 1/2 years old. > > > She was doing well until recently when she > started to > > > become lethargic, > > > stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit > of > > > 11%. This is really, > > > really, really low. It is a > non-regenerative anemia, > > > with signs of > > > lymphoma. This is pretty much a death > sentence for > > > these guys. A blood > > > transfusion would only prolong the sufferng > > > > > > So here's the deal. I found a vet that had > the > > > immunomodulator (from > > > Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on > Friday. > > > Her energy is gradually > > > improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and > there are > > > signs of > > > improvement. > > > > > > I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I > have to > > > tell you that this > > > is currently the best option out there for > treating this > > > disease. I found > > > some of the information on it. There is > rapid and > > > profound improvement of > > > anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and > in some > > > cases, return to > > > normal with negative testing for the virus. > > > > > > I know there isn't a full proof cure out there > but I have > > > to say this may > > > prove to be very helpful. The long terms > studies are > > > still pending. > > > > > > So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone > marrow > > > suppression > > > (including anemia - low red blood cells, > thrombocytopenia - > > > low platelets, > > > neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or > lymphopenia - > > > low lymphocyte > > > count) and may or may not have the associated > > > infections; I highly > > > recommend giving this a try. > > > > > > It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at > first and > > > than monthly with > > > improvement of bone marrow suppression and > clinical > > > symptoms. It requires a > > > vet order to get it. > > > > > > It is a far better alternative than the repeat > cycle of > > > blood transfusions, > > > antibiotic regimens and prednisone. > > > > > > I will let you know how she does. > > > > > > Good luck everyone and God bless you for your > generous and > > > selfless hearts. > > > > > > Jenny > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
jenny, knowing that you're a human medicine person makes me apologize for, and revise, my statement regarding your statements sounding like an ad. would i have been in the first line of beta-testers for penicillin? probably not. would i have used it when it only had provisional approval, was very expensive, and the only research available was provided by the one company had a financial investment in it? maybe, if there were ENOUGH research, over enough time, and if i didn't know way too many vets who have the same objections that sally's had. i would LOVE for there to be a cure for FeLV, or at least a treatment that has a decent rate of efficacy. i haven't seen anything that shows me that this is it--and their lack of good data, resources on the virus etc., and questionable marketing practices all make me wonder what their bottom line really is. i expect that it's probably much harder to do pure research now than it was when mold was being grown on slices of bread, without the involvement of vast sums of money, but i still require more than a company (that just recently bought out the folks who actually developed the product) say-so. (and i'm an old hippie herbalist, so it's not like i have any investment in pharmaceuticals!) thanks for explaining your decision-making process: actually, i'm quite convinced from what i've read, that LCTI won't HURT our cats. i'd be a LOT happier if they were doing rigorous research through clinical trials, instead of charging people to be their research subjects MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
I appreciate your input Jenny. I first heard about Imulan when I joined this list, two years ago, with a symptomatic Felv cat. At the time many of the list members were suspicious of the company that had recently purchased Imulan because they had terminated an on going, limited, research study. I was desperate at the time and asked my vet to look into getting Imulan for me. She called the company and was very discouraged by their lack of transparency and she discouraged me from pursuing it. I managed to treat my cat with supplements and homeopathy and was able to get her to a place where her quality of life was good, although I was never able to rid her completely of stomatitis. I started using interferon about 8 months ago and she has been able to maintain a fairly stable (other than flare ups of stomatitis) quality of health. Her appetite is good and while she is thin she has been able to gain and hold a bit of weight. Like you, I will do anything to help her from 'fading into death' and would be very willing to try Imulan if I can find a vet who knows about it and is willing to help me. I am really happy to hear that you are giving it a try. I hope it helps your kitty and appreciate your willingness to share your experience with us. Hoping that your kitty responds to it. Jane On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:56 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: Mary Christine, I appreciate your skepticism. I am a pathology resident in human medicine and have no affiliation or connection with imulan. I am simply a cat lover who has lost two felv+ cats to this disease. It is devastating. I have seen them be happy, energetic, wonderful, loving cats and then watched them fade into thin, weak shells of their former selves. And then I have had to make the heart wrenching decision to put them down. I am entirely frustrated with the current mentality surrounding Felv + - the general idea that there are so many cats out there that we should just let these die. I have never been one who has been able to sit around and feel helpless when the ones I care about fade into death. I am not by any means saying ltci is the cure all answer to this disease. I am only saying that as of yet it is the most promising treatment out there. And if there is a chance I can help this little girl (and in the process countless others) I will do whatever is in my power to do it. I honestly have no idea if this will work or not and honestly last night I really doubted it. But she's still fighting and so I'll continue to pray and to fight with her. If this doesn't work, I will let all of you know. I just wanted to give you the information I had. Here's a thought, prior to the discovery of Penicillin countless people were dying from bacterial infections. Now it is so common place and so effective, you would be remiss to not use it. Every new treatment has skeptics and rightly so, but maybe this could actually help. If so, why not try it? And by the way, I did write this on my own, no prompting from anyone. I just saw a glimmer of hope and wanted to share. Thanks, Jenny On 8/25/09, MaryChristine wrote: personally, i will be far more likely to believe anything about LCTI when there is ADEQUATE research done on the product (the preliminary research was done with a statistically insignificant sample), there are independent findings that confirm the company's claims, and the treatment is fully approved. incidentally, i've heard that FeLVs are NOT tested with the IFA before treatment to ensure that they truly are positive to start with. imulan's website uses WIKIPEDIA as its source for FeLV information. "I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that this is currently the best option out there for treating this disease. I found some of the information on it. There is rapid and profound improvement of anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to normal with negative testing for the virus. I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are still pending. So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets, neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte count) and may or may not have the associated infections; I highly recommend giving this a try.: this sounds like an advertisement, not at all what someone would actually write on their own. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
Mary Christine, I appreciate your skepticism. I am a pathology resident in human medicine and have no affiliation or connection with imulan. I am simply a cat lover who has lost two felv+ cats to this disease. It is devastating. I have seen them be happy, energetic, wonderful, loving cats and then watched them fade into thin, weak shells of their former selves. And then I have had to make the heart wrenching decision to put them down. I am entirely frustrated with the current mentality surrounding Felv+ - the general idea that there are so many cats out there that we should just let these die. I have never been one who has been able to sit around and feel helpless when the ones I care about fade into death. I am not by any means saying ltci is the cure all answer to this disease. I am only saying that as of yet it is the most promising treatment out there. And if there is a chance I can help this little girl (and in the process countless others) I will do whatever is in my power to do it. I honestly have no idea if this will work or not and honestly last night I really doubted it. But she's still fighting and so I'll continue to pray and to fight with her. If this doesn't work, I will let all of you know. I just wanted to give you the information I had. Here's a thought, prior to the discovery of Penicillin countless people were dying from bacterial infections. Now it is so common place and so effective, you would be remiss to not use it. Every new treatment has skeptics and rightly so, but maybe this could actually help. If so, why not try it? And by the way, I did write this on my own, no prompting from anyone. I just saw a glimmer of hope and wanted to share. Thanks, Jenny On 8/25/09, MaryChristine wrote: > > personally, i will be far more likely to believe anything about LCTI when > there is ADEQUATE research done on the product (the preliminary research > was > done with a statistically insignificant sample), there are independent > findings that confirm the company's claims, and the treatment is fully > approved. > > incidentally, i've heard that FeLVs are NOT tested with the IFA before > treatment to ensure that they truly are positive to start with. > > imulan's website uses WIKIPEDIA as its source for FeLV information. > > "I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that > this > is currently the best option out there for treating this disease. I found > some of the information on it. There is rapid and profound improvement of > anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to > normal with negative testing for the virus. > > I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may > prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are still pending. > > So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression > (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets, > neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte > count) and may or may not have the associated infections; I highly > recommend giving this a try.: > > this sounds like an advertisement, not at all what someone would actually > write on their own. > > MC > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org > ) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
personally, i will be far more likely to believe anything about LCTI when there is ADEQUATE research done on the product (the preliminary research was done with a statistically insignificant sample), there are independent findings that confirm the company's claims, and the treatment is fully approved. incidentally, i've heard that FeLVs are NOT tested with the IFA before treatment to ensure that they truly are positive to start with. imulan's website uses WIKIPEDIA as its source for FeLV information. "I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that this is currently the best option out there for treating this disease. I found some of the information on it. There is rapid and profound improvement of anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to normal with negative testing for the virus. I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are still pending. So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets, neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte count) and may or may not have the associated infections; I highly recommend giving this a try.: this sounds like an advertisement, not at all what someone would actually write on their own. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
I have shared this information here before. However, our cat, Gray Kitty, was diagnosed with FeLV on September 6, 2008. At that time he has a hematocrit of 9%..very near death. We have used LTCI since his second blood transfusion, which has been many, many, months ago. We also use Prednisolone twice daily. As of today, he is testing negative for FeLV. He has the non-regenerative anemia, and so far so good, his HCT has stayed within normal limits. We have now just gone down to once monthly on the LTCI and see how he does. We also consult with a specialist long distance, that has done his research in bone marrow transfusions in cats. Our cat will be used in his studies as well as a case study with our own Vet. We hope we can have continued success. We also know reality and that he will not live for many, many years. However, we have appreciated the time that we have had with him and hope for the best. > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:19:58 -0500 > From: jb...@tds.net > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator > > Hello everyone, > > I really hope this email works. I have been a part of this community for > awhile but don't often respond. I did, however, want to share this with > you. > > I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow suppression > associated from felv+. It is a common cause of death for these guys and I > have heard over and again in this forum. > > I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1 1/2 years old. > She was doing well until recently when she started to become lethargic, > stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of 11%. This is really, > really, really low. It is a non-regenerative anemia, with signs of > lymphoma. This is pretty much a death sentence for these guys. A blood > transfusion would only prolong the sufferng > > So here's the deal. I found a vet that had the immunomodulator (from > Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday. Her energy is gradually > improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are signs of > improvement. > > I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that this > is currently the best option out there for treating this disease. I found > some of the information on it. There is rapid and profound improvement of > anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to > normal with negative testing for the virus. > > I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may > prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are still pending. > > So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression > (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets, > neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte > count) and may or may not have the associated infections; I highly > recommend giving this a try. > > It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and than monthly with > improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical symptoms. It requires a > vet order to get it. > > It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of blood transfusions, > antibiotic regimens and prednisone. > > I will let you know how she does. > > Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and selfless hearts. > > Jenny > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
Jenny, I'm very much interested in this procedure also as I have a one year old Siamese mix female diagnosed with the same disease 2 1/2 weeks ago. Please include me in your postings and findings. Thanks! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator Amy, The shot cost me $60. It is somewhat expensive and still pretty new to the field. I think if you can get them started early on before the bone marrow suppression starts you have a better chance at controlling the virus. I don't know all the details. I am planning on calling them today to ask a few more questions. I will keep you updated. Good luck with your decision. Jenny On 8/24/09, Amy wrote: > > Jenny, > > Do you mind me asking the price of a shot? I'm thinking of trying this for > my cats but I think I heard $90 a shot somewhere and I'm thinking that means > $360 the first month, $200 the second month, and $90 a month after that. I > have several cats and am trying to figure out if it's practical for me to > start it. > > Thanks > Amy > > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, jbero tds.net wrote: > > > From: jbero tds.net > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator > > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:19 PM > > Hello everyone, > > > > I really hope this email works. I have been a part of > > this community for > > awhile but don't often respond. I did, however, want > > to share this with > > you. > > > > I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow > > suppression > > associated from felv+. It is a common cause of death > > for these guys and I > > have heard over and again in this forum. > > > > I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1 > > 1/2 years old. > > She was doing well until recently when she started to > > become lethargic, > > stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of > > 11%. This is really, > > really, really low. It is a non-regenerative anemia, > > with signs of > > lymphoma. This is pretty much a death sentence for > > these guys. A blood > > transfusion would only prolong the sufferng > > > > So here's the deal. I found a vet that had the > > immunomodulator (from > > Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday. > > Her energy is gradually > > improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are > > signs of > > improvement. > > > > I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to > > tell you that this > > is currently the best option out there for treating this > > disease. I found > > some of the information on it. There is rapid and > > profound improvement of > > anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some > > cases, return to > > normal with negative testing for the virus. > > > > I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have > > to say this may > > prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are > > still pending. > > > > So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow > > suppression > > (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - > > low platelets, > > neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - > > low lymphocyte > > count) and may or may not have the associated > > infections; I highly > > recommend giving this a try. > > > > It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and > > than monthly with > > improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical > > symptoms. It requires a > > vet order to get it. > > > > It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of > > blood transfusions, > > antibiotic regimens and prednisone. > > > > I will let you know how she does. > > > > Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and > > selfless hearts. > > > > Jenny > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
Amy, The shot cost me $60. It is somewhat expensive and still pretty new to the field. I think if you can get them started early on before the bone marrow suppression starts you have a better chance at controlling the virus. I don't know all the details. I am planning on calling them today to ask a few more questions. I will keep you updated. Good luck with your decision. Jenny On 8/24/09, Amy wrote: > > Jenny, > > Do you mind me asking the price of a shot? I'm thinking of trying this for > my cats but I think I heard $90 a shot somewhere and I'm thinking that means > $360 the first month, $200 the second month, and $90 a month after that. I > have several cats and am trying to figure out if it's practical for me to > start it. > > Thanks > Amy > > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, jbero tds.net wrote: > > > From: jbero tds.net > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator > > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:19 PM > > Hello everyone, > > > > I really hope this email works. I have been a part of > > this community for > > awhile but don't often respond. I did, however, want > > to share this with > > you. > > > > I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow > > suppression > > associated from felv+. It is a common cause of death > > for these guys and I > > have heard over and again in this forum. > > > > I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1 > > 1/2 years old. > > She was doing well until recently when she started to > > become lethargic, > > stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of > > 11%. This is really, > > really, really low. It is a non-regenerative anemia, > > with signs of > > lymphoma. This is pretty much a death sentence for > > these guys. A blood > > transfusion would only prolong the sufferng > > > > So here's the deal. I found a vet that had the > > immunomodulator (from > > Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday. > > Her energy is gradually > > improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are > > signs of > > improvement. > > > > I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to > > tell you that this > > is currently the best option out there for treating this > > disease. I found > > some of the information on it. There is rapid and > > profound improvement of > > anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some > > cases, return to > > normal with negative testing for the virus. > > > > I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have > > to say this may > > prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are > > still pending. > > > > So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow > > suppression > > (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - > > low platelets, > > neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - > > low lymphocyte > > count) and may or may not have the associated > > infections; I highly > > recommend giving this a try. > > > > It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and > > than monthly with > > improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical > > symptoms. It requires a > > vet order to get it. > > > > It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of > > blood transfusions, > > antibiotic regimens and prednisone. > > > > I will let you know how she does. > > > > Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and > > selfless hearts. > > > > Jenny > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
Jenny, thanks for this info. I am sorry to hear about your kitty. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:20 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator Hello everyone, I really hope this email works. I have been a part of this community for awhile but don't often respond. I did, however, want to share this with you. I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow suppression associated from felv+. It is a common cause of death for these guys and I have heard over and again in this forum. I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1 1/2 years old. She was doing well until recently when she started to become lethargic, stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of 11%. This is really, really, really low. It is a non-regenerative anemia, with signs of lymphoma. This is pretty much a death sentence for these guys. A blood transfusion would only prolong the sufferng So here's the deal. I found a vet that had the immunomodulator (from Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday. Her energy is gradually improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are signs of improvement. I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that this is currently the best option out there for treating this disease. I found some of the information on it. There is rapid and profound improvement of anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to normal with negative testing for the virus. I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are still pending. So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets, neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte count) and may or may not have the associated infections; I highly recommend giving this a try. It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and than monthly with improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical symptoms. It requires a vet order to get it. It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of blood transfusions, antibiotic regimens and prednisone. I will let you know how she does. Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and selfless hearts. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
Jenny, Do you mind me asking the price of a shot? I'm thinking of trying this for my cats but I think I heard $90 a shot somewhere and I'm thinking that means $360 the first month, $200 the second month, and $90 a month after that. I have several cats and am trying to figure out if it's practical for me to start it. Thanks Amy --- On Mon, 8/24/09, jbero tds.net wrote: > From: jbero tds.net > Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:19 PM > Hello everyone, > > I really hope this email works. I have been a part of > this community for > awhile but don't often respond. I did, however, want > to share this with > you. > > I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow > suppression > associated from felv+. It is a common cause of death > for these guys and I > have heard over and again in this forum. > > I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1 > 1/2 years old. > She was doing well until recently when she started to > become lethargic, > stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of > 11%. This is really, > really, really low. It is a non-regenerative anemia, > with signs of > lymphoma. This is pretty much a death sentence for > these guys. A blood > transfusion would only prolong the sufferng > > So here's the deal. I found a vet that had the > immunomodulator (from > Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday. > Her energy is gradually > improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are > signs of > improvement. > > I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to > tell you that this > is currently the best option out there for treating this > disease. I found > some of the information on it. There is rapid and > profound improvement of > anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some > cases, return to > normal with negative testing for the virus. > > I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have > to say this may > prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are > still pending. > > So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow > suppression > (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - > low platelets, > neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - > low lymphocyte > count) and may or may not have the associated > infections; I highly > recommend giving this a try. > > It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and > than monthly with > improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical > symptoms. It requires a > vet order to get it. > > It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of > blood transfusions, > antibiotic regimens and prednisone. > > I will let you know how she does. > > Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and > selfless hearts. > > Jenny > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
Hello everyone, I really hope this email works. I have been a part of this community for awhile but don't often respond. I did, however, want to share this with you. I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow suppression associated from felv+. It is a common cause of death for these guys and I have heard over and again in this forum. I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1 1/2 years old. She was doing well until recently when she started to become lethargic, stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of 11%. This is really, really, really low. It is a non-regenerative anemia, with signs of lymphoma. This is pretty much a death sentence for these guys. A blood transfusion would only prolong the sufferng So here's the deal. I found a vet that had the immunomodulator (from Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday. Her energy is gradually improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are signs of improvement. I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that this is currently the best option out there for treating this disease. I found some of the information on it. There is rapid and profound improvement of anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to normal with negative testing for the virus. I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are still pending. So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets, neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte count) and may or may not have the associated infections; I highly recommend giving this a try. It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and than monthly with improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical symptoms. It requires a vet order to get it. It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of blood transfusions, antibiotic regimens and prednisone. I will let you know how she does. Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and selfless hearts. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan questions
would like to see the paper, as so far, all i've seen if stuff written by folks who work for the company itself. MC On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:46 PM, wrote: > I found a really informative paper on LTCI, written by a vet that has been > using it.? I'll have to look it up again to give you the url > The treatment is pretty expensive, as many said - the 3 dose pack is about > $200.? Recommended dosage is once a week for a month, then every 2 weeks for > 2 months, then every 4-6 weeks I believe. > It's available from Webster and Butler supply houses that I know of.? > Would like to know if anyone tries it - it was too late coming for my > Spats. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan questions
I found a really informative paper on LTCI, written by a vet that has been using it.? I'll have to look it up again to give you the url The treatment is pretty expensive, as many said - the 3 dose pack is about $200.? Recommended dosage is once a week for a month, then every 2 weeks for 2 months, then every 4-6 weeks I believe. It's available from Webster and Butler supply houses that I know of.? Would like to know if anyone tries it - it was too late coming for my Spats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan message-mailto:de4e9a820901120431l12499b62i55b69d750ff92...@mail.gmail.com
have you ruled out hemobart? maybe you should have the kitten on doxy. but I know doxy isn't recommended for kittens under a certain age tonya nancy denison wrote: Hi Lisa, I'm currently using Imulan on my FeLV kitten. She was very very sick before it came in. She was anemic and her blood caounts were low. Since the Imulan she is back to her old goofy self. She's not anemic but her blood counts still continue to fall. That bothers me. The vets aren't quite sure why. She is eating well and playful and no sign of illness, no temperature, but I'm giving her an antibiotic to try and help fight whatever is destroying here blood counts. I would recommend the Imulan and I will continue the treatments as long as she is benefitting. So far the manufacturer doesn't have any info with regard to old or very young cats but they say that 2 of the test cats have been tested negative via bone marrow tests after this treatment. I'm hoping my little girl cat, Taz, will start producing the right blood cells she needs. Her is are a couple of websites that may help. http://www.imulan.com/felv-fiv-treatment.html http://fabulousfelinesandfidos.yuku.com/reply/39095/t/-Treatment--Feline-Leukemia--Feline-Aids-FeLV--FIV-.html hope this helps, Nancy and Taz ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Imulan message-mailto:de4e9a820901120431l12499b62i55b69d750ff92...@mail.gmail.com
Hi Lisa, I'm currently using Imulan on my FeLV kitten. She was very very sick before it came in. She was anemic and her blood caounts were low. Since the Imulan she is back to her old goofy self. She's not anemic but her blood counts still continue to fall. That bothers me. The vets aren't quite sure why. She is eating well and playful and no sign of illness, no temperature, but I'm giving her an antibiotic to try and help fight whatever is destroying here blood counts. I would recommend the Imulan and I will continue the treatments as long as she is benefitting. So far the manufacturer doesn't have any info with regard to old or very young cats but they say that 2 of the test cats have been tested negative via bone marrow tests after this treatment. I'm hoping my little girl cat, Taz, will start producing the right blood cells she needs. Her is are a couple of websites that may help. http://www.imulan.com/felv-fiv-treatment.html http://fabulousfelinesandfidos.yuku.com/reply/39095/t/-Treatment--Feline-Leukemia--Feline-Aids-FeLV--FIV-.html hope this helps, Nancy and Taz ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
