Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (Marnie) (Lorrie)
Hi Marnie, I'll gladly "take your extended paw" as I love talking to people who have the cat's interest at heart and not making big bux or competing with others who do rescue work. In our very small town I am the only rescue/santuary, so I have no competitive problems. The only other animal shelter is the county pound where the cats are gassed and incinerated as fast as they come in the door. It was because of this horrible place that I started my sanctuary. I'm in north eastern WV (Terra Alta). I'll make a note of your e-mail address so we can chat in the future. TTYL, Lorrie On 03-03, MARNIE MISZEWSKI wrote: > Thanks Lorrie! > > It's nice to have validation from someone else who is doing this. > I'm sure you understand when I say how frustrating it is for me > every time I hear about a sanctuary that doesn't have the animals > best interest at heart. Not only is it horrible for the animals in > their care, but it ruins the credibility of people like us who are > truly doing the right thing for the right reasons. > > Please email/contact me anytime you need anything. I don't know if > it's the same where you are at, but the shelters in my area are a > bit competitive and don't always work together. When I started this > I naively thought we were in this together and would work together > on the animals behalf. Instead I have found I'm on my own doing > what I can for these guys. That said, I will take my support system > where I can get it and am extending "my paw" in case there is > anything I can do for you. :0) > > Marnie > Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (Marnie) (Lorrie)
Thanks Lorrie! It's nice to have validation from someone else who is doing this. I'm sure you understand when I say how frustrating it is for me every time I hear about a sanctuary that doesn't have the animals best interest at heart. Not only is it horrible for the animals in their care, but it ruins the credibility of people like us who are truly doing the right thing for the right reasons. Please email/contact me anytime you need anything. I don't know if it's the same where you are at, but the shelters in my area are a bit competitive and don't always work together. When I started this I naively thought we were in this together and would work together on the animals behalf. Instead I have found I'm on my own doing what I can for these guys. That said, I will take my support system where I can get it and am extending "my paw" in case there is anything I can do for you. :0) Marnie Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (for Frank)
Last I heard, the place in CT asks $5,000 per cat to retire there. I posted it previously; if it's closer to you, why not call and speak to them? Last Post Animal Sanctuary Jeanne Tommey 95 Beldon St. Falls Village, CT 06031 (860) 824-0831 -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (for Frank) > I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you. > The two best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in > California http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would love > to live myself, and Tabby's Place in New Jersey > http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these organizations have a true > love for cats. Hi Frank, Both of these sanctuaries look great to me, but Kings is too far from us and when I contacted Tabby's Place they wanted $15,000 for each cat. I realize how much it costs to properly care for a cat during it's life, but with 14 cats at home there is no way I could afford this! In contrast when I contacted Caboodle Ranch in Florida I was told it was only $150. for each cat.. Way, way too little. They also take in an unlimited number of cats, which also raised a red flag!! What is so strange is the lady I contacted at Caboodle said I was the FIRST person to say their fee was too low. She said everyone else said it cost too much. Do you believe this? I don't. Anyway, thanks for writing. I meant to get back to you sooner. Lorrie in Eastern WV ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (for Frank)
> I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you. > The two best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in > California http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would love > to live myself, and Tabby's Place in New Jersey > http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these organizations have a true > love for cats. Hi Frank, Both of these sanctuaries look great to me, but Kings is too far from us and when I contacted Tabby's Place they wanted $15,000 for each cat. I realize how much it costs to properly care for a cat during it's life, but with 14 cats at home there is no way I could afford this! In contrast when I contacted Caboodle Ranch in Florida I was told it was only $150. for each cat.. Way, way too little. They also take in an unlimited number of cats, which also raised a red flag!! What is so strange is the lady I contacted at Caboodle said I was the FIRST person to say their fee was too low. She said everyone else said it cost too much. Do you believe this? I don't. Anyway, thanks for writing. I meant to get back to you sooner. Lorrie in Eastern WV ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (Marnie)
Marnie, I'm late responding to your post, but I wanted to tell you what a wonderful thing you are doing. I also own a private shelter/santuary. In 2004 I bought a large 2,000 sq ft. building in town and made it into a home like setting, with furniture, climbing posts, window ledges, and large cat condos. There are no cages as I can't stand to see cats caged up, so ours have many rooms for the cats to run around in, and they really good have a good life. I wish they all had individual homes, but I know they'd be dead by now if I hadn't taken them in as they were all abandoned when I rescued them. It has cost me a small fortune to buy this building and heat it, plus the money for vet bills, food and litter is several hundred dollars a month, but it's what I want to do with a small inheritance my parents left me. I have no help other than my son-in-law, my daughter, and a paid cleaning lady. We live in a very small town, and our humane society only has 8 active people who are into dogs, not cats. Lorrie On 02-26, Marnie Miszewski wrote: > The last time I posted, I was in the start up phase of my > sanctuary, Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary. We will be in business 1 > year in July and we are already working on our expansion. We > currently have 1500SF indoor facility (soon to add another 1500SF) > and have limited to approx 100 cats. I don't believe in cages and > keep the cats in large rooms with perches, furniture even water > fountains. My inspiration was my FELV+ cat Tom. There weren't any > places for positive kitties. I do adopt out my kitties to make > room for new ones, but keep it home-like for the long term > friends. My vet sees every cat before they enter the facility and > oversees their care. She's on my board of directors and is only a > call or text away if I need her. Many of my volunteers have vet > tech experience (including myself). Animal Services of Lee County > has inspected us and have asked us to be a model for the other > shelters/sanctuaries in the area. They also transfer their > positive kitties to me when I have room for them. I love each of > these furry friends and know all their names. Their well being is > my life's mission and I wouldn't have it any other way. We are > open to the public every evening and the kitties look forward to > entertaining their guests. As for "outdoor kitty time" we have a > screened enclosure they take turns using. Our dream is to have > acreage for them but all things in time. I can't speak for other > sanctuaries, but I welcome everyone to come see our facility. I > like to think I'm doing Tom proud. > Marnie Miszewski > Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary > www.helpingpawsanimalsanctuary.com > Saint James City, FL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
The last time I posted, I was in the start up phase of my sanctuary, Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary. We will be in business 1 year in July and we are already working on our expansion. We currently have 1500SF indoor facility (soon to add another 1500SF) and have limited to approx 100 cats. I don't believe in cages and keep the cats in large rooms with perches, furniture even water fountains. My inspiration was my FELV+ cat Tom. There weren't any places for positive kitties. I do adopt out my kitties to make room for new ones, but keep it home-like for the long term friends. My vet sees every cat before they enter the facility and oversees their care. She's on my board of directors and is only a call or text away if I need her. Many of my volunteers have vet tech experience (including myself). Animal Services of Lee County has inspected us and have asked us to be a model for the other shelters/sanctuaries in the area. They also transfer their positive kitties to me when I have room for them. I love each of these furry friends and know all their names. Their well being is my life's mission and I wouldn't have it any other way. We are open to the public every evening and the kitties look forward to entertaining their guests. As for "outdoor kitty time" we have a screened enclosure they take turns using. Our dream is to have acreage for them but all things in time. I can't speak for other sanctuaries, but I welcome everyone to come see our facility. I like to think I'm doing Tom proud. Marnie Miszewski Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary www.helpingpawsanimalsanctuary.com Saint James City, FL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
Hi Natalie, According to a TV special I saw about it, the whole place is fenced in with cat-proof fencing. Frank - Original Message - From: "Natalie" To: Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > That is a great place! But I still wonder how all those cats can be > monitored and how they don't get out of therelogistically, I'd love to > know how it's done! Natalie > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Frank Saverese > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:29 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > Hi Lorrie, > > I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you. The two > best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in California > http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would love to live myself, and > Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these > organizations have a true love for cats. > > Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care funding are > important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry out your wishes > is most important and most difficult. That is the problem I'm having. > > Best wishes, > > Frank > > > - Original Message - > From: "Lorrie" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > > > Thanks for all your very informative posts... They were eye > > opening! Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor santuary, but my cats have > > always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I want, BUT if > > it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they have no limit > > on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it! > > > > Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of strange cats, as > > we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used to seeing new > > cats around. I hope to find a santuary where the cats can be > > outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. This is probably > > going to be very difficult to find. > > > > Lorrie > > > > On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote: > > > > > Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the "bad" category and good > > > folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be > > > successful. > > > > > > But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. > > > They're probably not used to quantities of cats. Check out the > > > options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they > > > take in and care for cats. And for vet care-do they have a vet > > > associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person > > > running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats > > > outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. > > > > > > Just some thoughts- > > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
Thanks! Seems a lot easier for anyone applying now than when I did it in 1989.that first report was murder! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period. http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie wrote: > I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a "sanctuary" or the > number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is > being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance > ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the > public, then one is granted permanent status. > I always question the word "sanctuary" - Audubon has opened their > sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I would definitely be concerned about only one person caring for all those cats - but there must be volunteers! When the person I spoke to visited, there were not as many cats at the place, yet. I would definitely worry about what happens when she can no longer continue. We are working on a trust for the cats, but also have to make sure who would be in charge...not some lawyer who has no idea about cats, yet, it has to be someone you trust, and what if something happens to them? No, it's definitely not easy for anyone who has several animals, and especially for those who do rescue. I saw a video of a couple who have 600 cats in their home, it was spotless, but they work from morning until night, all the time, cleaning, feeding, and caring for the cats; they do not find homes for them, either, they don't trust people. They were guests on a talk show; they may have been in Canada. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries No. NOT Cathouse on the Kings. Have you actually been there? Recently? Don't recommend them unless you're answering yes to both questions. There are a lot of problems with Cathouse on the Kings. They have 600-800 cats, poor tracking and intake procedures (inadequate testing and FeLV cats mixed with general population and cats who were negative coming up positive.) The ferals and hard to handle cats receive no medical care, not even amoxicilin mixed in food. Ferals have been seen with green snot on their faces. Also, Cathouse on the Kings is basically run by one woman. What happens when she dies? Local rescues are very concerned about trying to pick up those pieces. It's like a ponzi scheme, with money taken for new cats used to support an already unwieldy operation. Do not go on what you see online. You need to actually visit a sanctuary and visit it every 6-12 months to monitor. --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Frank Saverese wrote: > From: Frank Saverese > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 7:28 AM > Hi Lorrie, > > I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death > as you. The two > best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in > California > http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would > love to live myself, and > Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these > organizations have a true love for cats. > > Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care > funding are > important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry > out your wishes > is most important and most difficult. That is the problem > I'm having. > > Best wishes, > > Frank > > > - Original Message - > From: "Lorrie" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > > > Thanks for all your very informative posts... They > were eye > > opening! Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor > santuary, but my cats have > > always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I > want, BUT if > > it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they > have no limit > > on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it! > > > > Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of > strange cats, as > > we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used > to seeing new > > cats around. I hope to find a santuary where the > cats can be > > outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. > This is probably > > going to be very difficult to find. > > > > Lorrie > > > > On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote: > > > > > Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the "bad" > category and good > > > folks start them with good intentions and plans > and can be > > > successful. > > > > > > But any place your cats move, they will have to > make an adjustment. > > > They're probably not used to quantities of > cats. Check out the > > > options in your local area, and ask what the > procedure is when they > > > take in and care for cats. And for vet > care-do they have a vet > > > associated with thir facility? What is the age of > the person > > > running the facility and what are their future > plans? Are your cats > > > outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all > outdoor cats. > > > > > > Just some thoughts- > > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > >
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
An acquaintance knows the woman's ex-husband, and she visited once, a few years ago. She was impressed; knowing the kind of person she is, I trusted her evaluation. But I still wonder how those places manage the cats - how can they NOT get out of that sanctuary...there are roads to get in, to get outcats aren't dogs! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries Have you been there? --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Natalie wrote: > From: Natalie > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:36 AM > That is a great place! But > I still wonder how all those cats can be > monitored and how they don't get out of > therelogistically, I'd love to > know how it's done! Natalie > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Frank Saverese > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:29 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > Hi Lorrie, > > I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death > as you. The two > best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in > California > http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would > love to live myself, and > Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these > organizations have a true love for cats. > > Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care > funding are > important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry > out your wishes > is most important and most difficult. That is the problem > I'm having. > > Best wishes, > > Frank > > > - Original Message - > From: "Lorrie" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > > > Thanks for all your very informative posts... They > were eye > > opening! Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor > santuary, but my cats have > > always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I > want, BUT if > > it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they > have no limit > > on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it! > > > > Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of > strange cats, as > > we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used > to seeing new > > cats around. I hope to find a santuary where the > cats can be > > outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. > This is probably > > going to be very difficult to find. > > > > Lorrie > > > > On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote: > > > > > Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the "bad" > category and good > > > folks start them with good intentions and plans > and can be > > > successful. > > > > > > But any place your cats move, they will have to > make an adjustment. > > > They're probably not used to quantities of > cats. Check out the > > > options in your local area, and ask what the > procedure is when they > > > take in and care for cats. And for vet > care-do they have a vet > > > associated with thir facility? What is the age of > the person > > > running the facility and what are their future > plans? Are your cats > > > outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all > outdoor cats. > > > > > > Just some thoughts- > > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I agree Susan, the more humans available, the more likely the sanctuary to be a good one. There are a few 'in home' ones that are good too. Depending on how many animals you can handle financially. We started with only one building and we now have a brand new sixth one being completed inside (with clinic room for my med tech and for my vet to work in when he comes on site, and 9 staff and 12 volunteers and we live ON the property. Our home houses 29 hospice kitties, the diabetics and some other more intense medical needs cats. We only do special needs and there is s a need for more good sanctuaries to take FeLV cats and 'adoption challenged' furs. And someone made a good point about planning ahead for the care of their kitties when they are gone. We too, have that plan in place when the two founders (wanda and I) are gone.That is s important, no matter how many kitties you have. We have a 'Safety Net' program just for that. And we actually have one building that a lady from another Iowa county built 'just for her cats' paid for it all and she could no longer care for them, so they are here. All their care is paid for for their lifetimes and when they are gone, the building becomes the property of our sanctuary. That was a first for us. But it won't be the last I am sure. All we have to do is be good caregivers-and her plan states the care and food, etc as she wants them to have. They also have TV's with Catsitter videos playing and access to outdoor area this summer as we still ened to screen in the outdoor porch.Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
Have you been there? --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Natalie wrote: > From: Natalie > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:36 AM > That is a great place! But > I still wonder how all those cats can be > monitored and how they don't get out of > therelogistically, I'd love to > know how it's done! Natalie > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Frank Saverese > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:29 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > Hi Lorrie, > > I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death > as you. The two > best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in > California > http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would > love to live myself, and > Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these > organizations have a true love for cats. > > Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care > funding are > important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry > out your wishes > is most important and most difficult. That is the problem > I'm having. > > Best wishes, > > Frank > > > - Original Message - > From: "Lorrie" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > > > Thanks for all your very informative posts... They > were eye > > opening! Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor > santuary, but my cats have > > always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I > want, BUT if > > it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they > have no limit > > on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it! > > > > Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of > strange cats, as > > we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used > to seeing new > > cats around. I hope to find a santuary where the > cats can be > > outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. > This is probably > > going to be very difficult to find. > > > > Lorrie > > > > On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote: > > > > > Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the "bad" > category and good > > > folks start them with good intentions and plans > and can be > > > successful. > > > > > > But any place your cats move, they will have to > make an adjustment. > > > They're probably not used to quantities of > cats. Check out the > > > options in your local area, and ask what the > procedure is when they > > > take in and care for cats. And for vet > care-do they have a vet > > > associated with thir facility? What is the age of > the person > > > running the facility and what are their future > plans? Are your cats > > > outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all > outdoor cats. > > > > > > Just some thoughts- > > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That is a great place! But I still wonder how all those cats can be monitored and how they don't get out of therelogistically, I'd love to know how it's done! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Frank Saverese Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries Hi Lorrie, I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you. The two best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in California http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would love to live myself, and Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these organizations have a true love for cats. Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care funding are important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry out your wishes is most important and most difficult. That is the problem I'm having. Best wishes, Frank - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > Thanks for all your very informative posts... They were eye > opening! Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor santuary, but my cats have > always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I want, BUT if > it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they have no limit > on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it! > > Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of strange cats, as > we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used to seeing new > cats around. I hope to find a santuary where the cats can be > outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. This is probably > going to be very difficult to find. > > Lorrie > > On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote: > > > Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the "bad" category and good > > folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be > > successful. > > > > But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. > > They're probably not used to quantities of cats. Check out the > > options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they > > take in and care for cats. And for vet care-do they have a vet > > associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person > > running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats > > outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. > > > > Just some thoughts- > > > > Gloria > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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No. NOT Cathouse on the Kings. Have you actually been there? Recently? Don't recommend them unless you're answering yes to both questions. There are a lot of problems with Cathouse on the Kings. They have 600-800 cats, poor tracking and intake procedures (inadequate testing and FeLV cats mixed with general population and cats who were negative coming up positive.) The ferals and hard to handle cats receive no medical care, not even amoxicilin mixed in food. Ferals have been seen with green snot on their faces. Also, Cathouse on the Kings is basically run by one woman. What happens when she dies? Local rescues are very concerned about trying to pick up those pieces. It's like a ponzi scheme, with money taken for new cats used to support an already unwieldy operation. Do not go on what you see online. You need to actually visit a sanctuary and visit it every 6-12 months to monitor. --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Frank Saverese wrote: > From: Frank Saverese > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 7:28 AM > Hi Lorrie, > > I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death > as you. The two > best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in > California > http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would > love to live myself, and > Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these > organizations have a true love for cats. > > Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care > funding are > important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry > out your wishes > is most important and most difficult. That is the problem > I'm having. > > Best wishes, > > Frank > > > - Original Message - > From: "Lorrie" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > > > Thanks for all your very informative posts... They > were eye > > opening! Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor > santuary, but my cats have > > always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I > want, BUT if > > it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they > have no limit > > on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it! > > > > Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of > strange cats, as > > we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used > to seeing new > > cats around. I hope to find a santuary where the > cats can be > > outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. > This is probably > > going to be very difficult to find. > > > > Lorrie > > > > On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote: > > > > > Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the "bad" > category and good > > > folks start them with good intentions and plans > and can be > > > successful. > > > > > > But any place your cats move, they will have to > make an adjustment. > > > They're probably not used to quantities of > cats. Check out the > > > options in your local area, and ask what the > procedure is when they > > > take in and care for cats. And for vet > care-do they have a vet > > > associated with thir facility? What is the age of > the person > > > running the facility and what are their future > plans? Are your cats > > > outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all > outdoor cats. > > > > > > Just some thoughts- > > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Lorrie, I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you. The two best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in California http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would love to live myself, and Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these organizations have a true love for cats. Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care funding are important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry out your wishes is most important and most difficult. That is the problem I'm having. Best wishes, Frank - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > Thanks for all your very informative posts... They were eye > opening! Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor santuary, but my cats have > always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I want, BUT if > it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they have no limit > on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it! > > Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of strange cats, as > we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used to seeing new > cats around. I hope to find a santuary where the cats can be > outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. This is probably > going to be very difficult to find. > > Lorrie > > On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote: > > > Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the "bad" category and good > > folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be > > successful. > > > > But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. > > They're probably not used to quantities of cats. Check out the > > options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they > > take in and care for cats. And for vet care-do they have a vet > > associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person > > running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats > > outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. > > > > Just some thoughts- > > > > Gloria > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for all your very informative posts... They were eye opening! Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor santuary, but my cats have always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I want, BUT if it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they have no limit on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it! Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of strange cats, as we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used to seeing new cats around. I hope to find a santuary where the cats can be outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. This is probably going to be very difficult to find. Lorrie On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote: > Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the "bad" category and good > folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be > successful. > > But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. > They're probably not used to quantities of cats. Check out the > options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they > take in and care for cats. And for vet care-do they have a vet > associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person > running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats > outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. > > Just some thoughts- > > Gloria > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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They creep me out too. Heard about them taking cats/kittens in North Carolina and Virginia, saying they'd find them homes, then euthing them and tossing in the garbage. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2011, at 3:01 AM, dana giordano wrote: > I like hearng about people's experiences on this > sanctuary/shelter/will/caretaker sort of thing. It's very illuminating. > > And I just have to say, well said Kelley on the PETA thing. They creep me > out! > > Share something interesting today. > > --- > www.twitter.com/smallspark > --- > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: > >> As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I >> trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you >> ever tried it)? >> >> PETA operates a "shelter" with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught >> disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other >> shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes. They >> were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or >> something of that nature. >> >> Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to >> worry about them. >> >> PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking >> at >> animals from a distance. >> >> They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly >> on >> TV. >> >> I think they are nutty as fruit cakes. >> >> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika >> wrote: >> >>> The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period. >>> >>> http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie wrote: >>> I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a "sanctuary" or the number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the public, then one is granted permanent status. I always question the word "sanctuary" - Audubon has opened their sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! >> >> >> -- >> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. >> >> http://www.rescuties.org >> >> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! >> >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 >> >> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* >> >> Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! >> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties >> >> Please help Trooper! >> >> http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper >> >> >> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they >> can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they >> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." >> >> - Nathan Winograd >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I like hearng about people's experiences on this sanctuary/shelter/will/caretaker sort of thing. It's very illuminating. And I just have to say, well said Kelley on the PETA thing. They creep me out! Share something interesting today. --- www.twitter.com/smallspark --- On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: > As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I > trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you > ever tried it)? > > PETA operates a "shelter" with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught > disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other > shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes. They > were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or > something of that nature. > > Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to > worry about them. > > PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking > at > animals from a distance. > > They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly > on > TV. > > I think they are nutty as fruit cakes. > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika > wrote: > > > The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period. > > > > http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie wrote: > > > >> I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a "sanctuary" or the > >> number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is > >> being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance > >> ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the > >> public, then one is granted permanent status. > >> I always question the word "sanctuary" - Audubon has opened their > >> sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! > >> > >> > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > Please help Trooper! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper > > > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they > can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." > > - Nathan Winograd > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you ever tried it)? PETA operates a "shelter" with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes. They were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or something of that nature. Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to worry about them. PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking at animals from a distance. They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly on TV. I think they are nutty as fruit cakes. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: > The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period. > > http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie wrote: > >> I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a "sanctuary" or the >> number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is >> being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance >> ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the >> public, then one is granted permanent status. >> I always question the word "sanctuary" - Audubon has opened their >> sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! >> >> -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period. http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie wrote: > I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a "sanctuary" or the > number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is > being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance > ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the > public, then one is granted permanent status. > I always question the word "sanctuary" - Audubon has opened their > sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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If hubby and I die before my furkids, my sister gets our house and insurance and will take our kitties, she has 6 of her own and I trust her with my life. She can sell the house or live in it and will have more than enough to take care of them for the rest of their lives. If we all die in a car accident, my vet will get everything and said she will take care of our furkids. Hopefully that covers them!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having several cats and dogs of my own. In my 60's, live along female. I finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing that makes me feel best. I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death. This money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets concur it is a medical neccessity. Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose. Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight? I don't know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if necessary and she has agreed. Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced if possible. kat On 2/25/11, Lorrie wrote: > On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: > >> This is the problem with most "sanctuaries." It's a flawed >> business model. A "sanctuary" by definition offers lifetime care >> So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and >> more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to >> start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because >> they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and >> sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying "no." This is >> just not a sustainable model. > > I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, > (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart > this earth. > > Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? > It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they > certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less > than wonderful! > > They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to > the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. > > If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info > about Caboodle please let me know. > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a "sanctuary" or the number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the public, then one is granted permanent status. I always question the word "sanctuary" - Audubon has opened their sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dana giordano Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 6:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries Do people ever start what is basically a very small in-home sanctuary to help take care of almost 10 multiple rescued cats, and some outdoor ferals because they don't believe in risking the cats to the shelter systems? Is that too small a number of animals to be considered a sanctuary non-profit? On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: > The few truly good sanctuaries that I have encountered have been small > operations with multiple humans living on site. > > --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Carmen Conklin wrote: > > > From: Carmen Conklin > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:26 PM > > If you are considering any sanctuary > > for your animals, please visit that > > sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for > > and if it is what > > it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has > > five very nice > > buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being > > completed or will be > > by March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech > > and spay/neuter > > clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for > > volunteers who come > > and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. > > sanctuary is > > horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. > > We need more > > positive stories. Just be sure to visit if you take > > an animal to any so > > called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell > > people to come > > either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not > > the fit for your > > cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the > > board and our > > volunteers as well. We have a couple cats coming from > > a so-called 'rescue' > > (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working > > with are doing what > > they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' > > cages one since > > she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to > > say she is kind > > of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to > > Caboodle Ranch but > > there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will > > find a lot of > > information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat > > there and it > > went missing very quickly.. > > Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. > > www.rustichollowshelter.org > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Do people ever start what is basically a very small in-home sanctuary to help take care of almost 10 multiple rescued cats, and some outdoor ferals because they don't believe in risking the cats to the shelter systems? Is that too small a number of animals to be considered a sanctuary non-profit? On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: > The few truly good sanctuaries that I have encountered have been small > operations with multiple humans living on site. > > --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Carmen Conklin wrote: > > > From: Carmen Conklin > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:26 PM > > If you are considering any sanctuary > > for your animals, please visit that > > sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for > > and if it is what > > it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has > > five very nice > > buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being > > completed or will be > > by March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech > > and spay/neuter > > clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for > > volunteers who come > > and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. > > sanctuary is > > horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. > > We need more > > positive stories. Just be sure to visit if you take > > an animal to any so > > called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell > > people to come > > either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not > > the fit for your > > cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the > > board and our > > volunteers as well. We have a couple cats coming from > > a so-called 'rescue' > > (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working > > with are doing what > > they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' > > cages one since > > she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to > > say she is kind > > of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to > > Caboodle Ranch but > > there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will > > find a lot of > > information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat > > there and it > > went missing very quickly.. > > Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. > > www.rustichollowshelter.org > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The few truly good sanctuaries that I have encountered have been small operations with multiple humans living on site. --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Carmen Conklin wrote: > From: Carmen Conklin > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:26 PM > If you are considering any sanctuary > for your animals, please visit that > sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for > and if it is what > it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has > five very nice > buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being > completed or will be > by March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech > and spay/neuter > clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for > volunteers who come > and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. > sanctuary is > horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. > We need more > positive stories. Just be sure to visit if you take > an animal to any so > called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell > people to come > either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not > the fit for your > cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the > board and our > volunteers as well. We have a couple cats coming from > a so-called 'rescue' > (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working > with are doing what > they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' > cages one since > she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to > say she is kind > of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to > Caboodle Ranch but > there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will > find a lot of > information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat > there and it > went missing very quickly.. > Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. > www.rustichollowshelter.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I can personally vouch for Carmen's C&W sanctuary. She takes VERY GOOD care of her residents. My Milo was treated like a king there. Alice Hanson - Original Message - From: Carmen Conklin<mailto:cwshel...@wildblue.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries If you are considering any sanctuary for your animals, please visit that sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for and if it is what it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has five very nice buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being completed or will be by March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech and spay/neuter clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for volunteers who come and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. sanctuary is horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. We need more positive stories. Just be sure to visit if you take an animal to any so called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell people to come either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not the fit for your cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the board and our volunteers as well. We have a couple cats coming from a so-called 'rescue' (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working with are doing what they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' cages one since she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to say she is kind of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to Caboodle Ranch but there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will find a lot of information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat there and it went missing very quickly.. Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. www.rustichollowshelter.org<http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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If you are considering any sanctuary for your animals, please visit that sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for and if it is what it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has five very nice buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being completed or will be by March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech and spay/neuter clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for volunteers who come and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. sanctuary is horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. We need more positive stories. Just be sure to visit if you take an animal to any so called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell people to come either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not the fit for your cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the board and our volunteers as well. We have a couple cats coming from a so-called 'rescue' (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working with are doing what they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' cages one since she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to say she is kind of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to Caboodle Ranch but there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will find a lot of information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat there and it went missing very quickly.. Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. www.rustichollowshelter.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I've seen many photos and even a video from Caboodle Ranch...I always wonder, if all cats are outdoors - can't they get out of the area, and how can one monitor them all when one may not know where they are? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 9:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Debbie Bates Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries I hope this link works. I live in Florida and know several people who have been to Caboodle. >From what I can surmise, it seems it was pretty decent years ago and has possibly declined with illness and the increasing population. Hearing reports of a cat with its eye hanging out (two different people from different areas of florida who don't know each other reported seeing this cat), or an exposed fracture as mentioned in this article, are pretty scary. I've heard some things that suggest it may have been cleaned up some (do not know), but this article was in a local paper in the last few weeks. I don't think much can be worse than being stacked in a carrier or cage for life, but, check it out before leaving an animal is of course the best advice as stated here by others. http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1151027.ece On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Debbie Bates wrote: > > I have not personally visited Caboodle...however, the group I foster for > said they would NEVER allow any of their animals to go there. The animals > live out of doors (for the most part)and this guy really discourages > visitors. So if a cat gets sick and hides ... how will he know? The > healthy ones probably enjoy themselves, but he has no way to keep accurate > health care records > Now, you can take this with a grain of saltthis same group is the one > who placed my "unadoptable" foster momma in the "sanctuary" that was shut > down by Law EnforcementI DID get to see that one and it was nothing > short of a concentration camp for cats...I still have nightmares. > > Debbie > ~ When the world says, "Give up," hope whispers, "Try it one more time" ~ > > > > > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500 > > From: felineres...@kvinet.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > > > On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: > > > > > This is the problem with most "sanctuaries." It's a flawed > > > business model. A "sanctuary" by definition offers lifetime care > > > So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and > > > more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to > > > start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because > > > they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and > > > sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying "no." This is > > > just not a sustainable model. > > > > I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, > > (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart > > this earth. > > > > Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? > > It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they > > certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less > > than wonderful! > > > > They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to > > the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. > > > > If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info > > about Caboodle please let me know. > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the "bad" category and good folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be successful. But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. They're probably not used to quantities of cats. Check out the options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they take in and care for cats. And for vet care-do they have a vet associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. Just some thoughts- Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Lorrie wrote: > On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: > >> This is the problem with most "sanctuaries." It's a flawed >> business model. A "sanctuary" by definition offers lifetime care >> So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and >> more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to >> start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because >> they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and >> sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying "no." This is >> just not a sustainable model. > > I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, > (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart > this earth. > > Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? > It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they > certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less > than wonderful! > > They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to > the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. > > If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info > about Caboodle please let me know. > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I hope this link works. I live in Florida and know several people who have been to Caboodle. >From what I can surmise, it seems it was pretty decent years ago and has possibly declined with illness and the increasing population. Hearing reports of a cat with its eye hanging out (two different people from different areas of florida who don't know each other reported seeing this cat), or an exposed fracture as mentioned in this article, are pretty scary. I've heard some things that suggest it may have been cleaned up some (do not know), but this article was in a local paper in the last few weeks. I don't think much can be worse than being stacked in a carrier or cage for life, but, check it out before leaving an animal is of course the best advice as stated here by others. http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1151027.ece On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Debbie Bates wrote: > > I have not personally visited Caboodle...however, the group I foster for > said they would NEVER allow any of their animals to go there. The animals > live out of doors (for the most part)and this guy really discourages > visitors. So if a cat gets sick and hides ... how will he know? The > healthy ones probably enjoy themselves, but he has no way to keep accurate > health care records > Now, you can take this with a grain of saltthis same group is the one > who placed my "unadoptable" foster momma in the "sanctuary" that was shut > down by Law EnforcementI DID get to see that one and it was nothing > short of a concentration camp for cats...I still have nightmares. > > Debbie > ~ When the world says, "Give up," hope whispers, "Try it one more time" ~ > > > > > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500 > > From: felineres...@kvinet.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > > > On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: > > > > > This is the problem with most "sanctuaries." It's a flawed > > > business model. A "sanctuary" by definition offers lifetime care > > > So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and > > > more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to > > > start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because > > > they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and > > > sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying "no." This is > > > just not a sustainable model. > > > > I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, > > (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart > > this earth. > > > > Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? > > It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they > > certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less > > than wonderful! > > > > They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to > > the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. > > > > If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info > > about Caboodle please let me know. > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I used to recommend Caboodle to people, but not anymore. There was an expose posted to a site that has now been disabled, but read this article: http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1151027.ece - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=Y3BxMzc0NQ%3D%3D > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500 > From: felineres...@kvinet.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: > > > This is the problem with most "sanctuaries." It's a flawed > > business model. A "sanctuary" by definition offers lifetime care > > So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and > > more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to > > start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because > > they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and > > sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying "no." This is > > just not a sustainable model. > > I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, > (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart > this earth. > > Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? > It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they > certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less > than wonderful! > > They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to > the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. > > If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info > about Caboodle please let me know. > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have not personally visited Caboodle...however, the group I foster for said they would NEVER allow any of their animals to go there. The animals live out of doors (for the most part)and this guy really discourages visitors. So if a cat gets sick and hides ... how will he know? The healthy ones probably enjoy themselves, but he has no way to keep accurate health care records Now, you can take this with a grain of saltthis same group is the one who placed my "unadoptable" foster momma in the "sanctuary" that was shut down by Law EnforcementI DID get to see that one and it was nothing short of a concentration camp for cats...I still have nightmares. Debbie ~ When the world says, "Give up," hope whispers, "Try it one more time" ~ > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500 > From: felineres...@kvinet.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries > > On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: > > > This is the problem with most "sanctuaries." It's a flawed > > business model. A "sanctuary" by definition offers lifetime care > > So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and > > more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to > > start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because > > they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and > > sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying "no." This is > > just not a sustainable model. > > I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, > (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart > this earth. > > Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? > It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they > certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less > than wonderful! > > They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to > the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. > > If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info > about Caboodle please let me know. > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I've heard people say it's not good. The ONLY way to check out any "sanctuary" is by visiting it yourself. NEVER send ANY cat to somewhere you have not visited personally. No limit on the number of cats is DEFINITELY a red flag. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Lorrie wrote: From: Lorrie Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 8:57 AM On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: > This is the problem with most "sanctuaries." It's a flawed > business model. A "sanctuary" by definition offers lifetime care > So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and > more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to > start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because > they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and > sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying "no." This is > just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: > This is the problem with most "sanctuaries." It's a flawed > business model. A "sanctuary" by definition offers lifetime care > So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and > more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to > start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because > they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and > sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying "no." This is > just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
