Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (Marnie) (Lorrie)

2011-03-04 Thread Lorrie
Hi Marnie,

I'll gladly take your extended paw as I love talking to people
who have the cat's interest at heart and not making big bux or
competing with others who do rescue work.

In our very small town I am the only rescue/santuary, so I have
no competitive problems.  The only other animal shelter is the
county pound where the cats are gassed and incinerated as fast
as they come in the door.  It was because of this horrible place
that I started my sanctuary. I'm in north eastern WV (Terra Alta).

I'll make a note of your e-mail address so we can chat in the 
future.

TTYL,  Lorrie


On 03-03, MARNIE MISZEWSKI wrote:
 Thanks Lorrie! 
 
 It's nice to have validation from someone else who is doing this.
 I'm sure you understand when I say how frustrating it is for me
 every time I hear about a sanctuary that doesn't have the animals
 best interest at heart. Not only is it horrible for the animals in
 their care, but it ruins the credibility of people like us who are
 truly doing the right thing for the right reasons.
 
 Please email/contact me anytime you need anything. I don't know if
 it's the same where you are at, but the shelters in my area are a
 bit competitive and don't always work together. When I started this
 I naively thought we were in this together and would work together
 on the animals behalf. Instead I have found I'm on my own doing
 what I can for these guys. That said, I will take my support system
 where I can get it and am extending my paw in case there is
 anything I can do for you. :0)
 
 Marnie 
 Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (for Frank)

2011-03-03 Thread Lorrie
 I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you.
 The two best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in
 California http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would love
 to live myself, and Tabby's Place in New Jersey
 http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these organizations have a true
 love for cats.

Hi Frank,  Both of these sanctuaries look great to me, but Kings is 
too far from us and when I contacted Tabby's Place they wanted 
$15,000 for each cat.  I realize how much it costs to properly care
for a cat during it's life, but with 14 cats at home there is no way
I could afford this!

In contrast when I contacted Caboodle Ranch in Florida I was told it
was only $150. for each cat.. Way, way too little.  They also
take in an unlimited number of cats, which also raised a red flag!!
What is so strange is the lady I contacted at Caboodle said I was
the FIRST person to say their fee was too low.  She said everyone
else said it cost too much.  Do you believe this?  I don't.

Anyway, thanks for writing.  I meant to get back to you sooner.

Lorrie in Eastern WV


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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (for Frank)

2011-03-03 Thread Natalie
Last I heard, the place in CT asks $5,000 per cat to retire there.  I posted
it previously; if it's closer to you, why not call and speak to them? 

Last Post Animal Sanctuary  
Jeanne Tommey 
95 Beldon St. 
Falls Village, CT 06031 
(860) 824-0831

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Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (for Frank)

 I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you.
 The two best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in
 California http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would love
 to live myself, and Tabby's Place in New Jersey
 http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these organizations have a true
 love for cats.

Hi Frank,  Both of these sanctuaries look great to me, but Kings is 
too far from us and when I contacted Tabby's Place they wanted 
$15,000 for each cat.  I realize how much it costs to properly care
for a cat during it's life, but with 14 cats at home there is no way
I could afford this!

In contrast when I contacted Caboodle Ranch in Florida I was told it
was only $150. for each cat.. Way, way too little.  They also
take in an unlimited number of cats, which also raised a red flag!!
What is so strange is the lady I contacted at Caboodle said I was
the FIRST person to say their fee was too low.  She said everyone
else said it cost too much.  Do you believe this?  I don't.

Anyway, thanks for writing.  I meant to get back to you sooner.

Lorrie in Eastern WV


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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (Marnie) (Lorrie)

2011-03-03 Thread MARNIE MISZEWSKI
Thanks Lorrie! 


It's nice to have validation from someone else who is doing this. I'm sure you 
understand when I say how frustrating it is for me every time I hear about a 
sanctuary that doesn't have the animals best interest at heart. Not only is it 
horrible for the animals in their care, but it ruins the credibility of people 
like us who are truly doing the right thing for the right reasons. 


Please email/contact me anytime you need anything. I don't know if it's the 
same where you are at, but the shelters in my area are a bit competitive and 
don't always work together. When I started this I naively thought we were in 
this together and would work together on the animals behalf. Instead I have 
found I'm on my own doing what I can for these guys. That said, I will take my 
support system where I can get it and am extending my paw in case there is 
anything I can do for you. :0) 


Marnie 
Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (Marnie)

2011-03-02 Thread Lorrie
Marnie,  I'm late responding to your post, but I wanted to tell
you what a wonderful thing you are doing.  

I also own a private shelter/santuary.  In 2004 I bought a large
2,000 sq ft. building in town and made it into a home like setting,
with furniture, climbing posts, window ledges, and large cat condos.
There are no cages as I can't stand to see cats caged up, so ours
have many rooms for the cats to run around in, and they really good
have a good life. I wish they all had individual homes, but I know
they'd be dead by now if I hadn't taken them in as they were all
abandoned when I rescued them.

It has cost me a small fortune to buy this building and heat it, plus
the money for vet bills, food and litter is several hundred dollars a
month, but it's what I want to do with a small inheritance my parents
left me. I have no help other than my son-in-law, my daughter, and a
paid cleaning lady. We live in a very small town, and our humane
society only has 8 active people who are into dogs, not cats.


Lorrie


On 02-26, Marnie Miszewski wrote:

 The last time I posted, I was in the start up phase of my
  sanctuary, Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary. We will be in business 1
  year in July and we are already working on our expansion. We
  currently have 1500SF indoor facility (soon to add another 1500SF)
  and have limited to approx 100 cats. I don't believe in cages and
  keep the cats in large rooms with perches, furniture even water
  fountains. My inspiration was my FELV+ cat Tom. There weren't any
  places for positive kitties. I do adopt out my kitties to make
  room for new ones, but keep it home-like for the long term
  friends. My vet sees every cat before they enter the facility and
  oversees their care. She's on my board of directors and is only a
  call or text away if I need her. Many of my volunteers have vet
  tech experience (including myself). Animal Services of Lee County
  has inspected us and have asked us to be a model for the other
  shelters/sanctuaries in the area. They also transfer their
  positive kitties to me when I have room for them. I love each of
  these furry friends and know all their names. Their well being is
  my life's mission and I wouldn't have it any other way. We are
  open to the public every evening and the kitties look forward to
  entertaining their guests. As for outdoor kitty time we have a
  screened enclosure they take turns using. Our dream is to have
  acreage for them but all things in time. I can't speak for other
  sanctuaries, but I welcome everyone to come see our facility. I
  like to think I'm doing Tom proud.

 Marnie Miszewski
 Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary
 www.helpingpawsanimalsanctuary.com
 Saint James City, FL

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread dana giordano
I like hearng about people's experiences on this
sanctuary/shelter/will/caretaker sort of thing. It's very illuminating.

 And I just have to say,  well said Kelley on the PETA thing. They creep me
out!

Share something interesting today.

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On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I
 trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you
 ever tried it)?

 PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught
 disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other
 shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes.  They
 were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or
 something of that nature.

 Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to
 worry about them.

 PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking
 at
 animals from a distance.

 They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly
 on
 TV.

 I think they are nutty as fruit cakes.

 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period.
 
  http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html
 
 
  On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the
  number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is
  being publicly and NOT privately supported.  There's a one year advance
  ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the
  public, then one is granted permanent status.
  I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their
  sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary!
 
 


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 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Gloria Lane
They creep me out too. Heard about them taking cats/kittens in North Carolina 
and Virginia, saying they'd find them homes, then euthing them and tossing in 
the garbage. 

Gloria 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 26, 2011, at 3:01 AM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like hearng about people's experiences on this
 sanctuary/shelter/will/caretaker sort of thing. It's very illuminating.
 
 And I just have to say,  well said Kelley on the PETA thing. They creep me
 out!
 
 Share something interesting today.
 
 ---
 www.twitter.com/smallspark
 ---
 
 
 
 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I
 trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you
 ever tried it)?
 
 PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught
 disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other
 shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes.  They
 were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or
 something of that nature.
 
 Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to
 worry about them.
 
 PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking
 at
 animals from a distance.
 
 They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly
 on
 TV.
 
 I think they are nutty as fruit cakes.
 
 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period.
 
 http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html
 
 
 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the
 number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is
 being publicly and NOT privately supported.  There's a one year advance
 ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the
 public, then one is granted permanent status.
 I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their
 sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary!
 
 
 
 
 --
 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
 http://www.rescuties.org
 
 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
 Please help Trooper!
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
 
 
 And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
 can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
 should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.
 
 - Nathan Winograd
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Lorrie
Thanks for all your very informative posts... They were eye
opening!   Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor santuary, but my cats have
always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I want, BUT if 
it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they have no limit
on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it!  

Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of strange cats, as
we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used to seeing new
cats around.  I hope to find a santuary where the cats can be
outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. This is probably
going to be very difficult to find. 

Lorrie

On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote:

 Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad category and good
 folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be
 successful.
 
 But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment.
 They're probably not used to quantities of cats.  Check out the
 options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they
 take in and care for cats.  And for vet care-do they have a vet
 associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person
 running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats
 outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats.
 
 Just some thoughts-
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Frank Saverese
Hi Lorrie,

I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you. The two
best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in California
http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/  -where I would love to live myself, and
Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/  Both of these
organizations have a true love for cats.

Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care funding are
important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry out your wishes
is most important and most difficult. That is the problem I'm having.

Best wishes,

Frank


- Original Message - 
From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries


 Thanks for all your very informative posts... They were eye
 opening!   Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor santuary, but my cats have
 always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I want, BUT if
 it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they have no limit
 on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it!

 Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of strange cats, as
 we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used to seeing new
 cats around.  I hope to find a santuary where the cats can be
 outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. This is probably
 going to be very difficult to find.

 Lorrie

 On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote:

  Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad category and good
  folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be
  successful.
 
  But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment.
  They're probably not used to quantities of cats.  Check out the
  options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they
  take in and care for cats.  And for vet care-do they have a vet
  associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person
  running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats
  outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats.
 
  Just some thoughts-
 
  Gloria
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Susan Hoffman
No.  NOT Cathouse on the Kings.  Have you actually been there?  Recently?  
Don't recommend them unless you're answering yes to both questions.

There are a lot of problems with Cathouse on the  Kings.  They have 600-800 
cats, poor tracking and intake procedures (inadequate testing and FeLV cats 
mixed with general population and cats who were negative coming up positive.)  
The ferals and hard to handle cats receive no medical care, not even amoxicilin 
mixed in food.  Ferals have been seen with green snot on their faces.

Also, Cathouse on the  Kings is basically run by one woman.  What happens when 
she dies?  Local rescues are very concerned about trying to pick up those 
pieces.  It's like  a ponzi scheme, with money taken for new cats used to 
support an already unwieldy operation.

Do not go on what you see online.  You need to actually visit a sanctuary and 
visit it every 6-12 months to monitor.  

--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Frank Saverese franksa...@verizon.net wrote:

 From: Frank Saverese franksa...@verizon.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 7:28 AM
 Hi Lorrie,
 
 I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death
 as you. The two
 best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in
 California
 http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/  -where I would
 love to live myself, and
 Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/  Both of these
 organizations have a true love for cats.
 
 Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care
 funding are
 important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry
 out your wishes
 is most important and most difficult. That is the problem
 I'm having.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Frank
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 
  Thanks for all your very informative posts... They
 were eye
  opening!   Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor
 santuary, but my cats have
  always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I
 want, BUT if
  it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they
 have no limit
  on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it!
 
  Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of
 strange cats, as
  we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used
 to seeing new
  cats around.  I hope to find a santuary where the
 cats can be
  outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded.
 This is probably
  going to be very difficult to find.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote:
 
   Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad
 category and good
   folks start them with good intentions and plans
 and can be
   successful.
  
   But any place your cats move, they will have to
 make an adjustment.
   They're probably not used to quantities of
 cats.  Check out the
   options in your local area, and ask what the
 procedure is when they
   take in and care for cats.  And for vet
 care-do they have a vet
   associated with thir facility? What is the age of
 the person
   running the facility and what are their future
 plans? Are your cats
   outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all
 outdoor cats.
  
   Just some thoughts-
  
   Gloria
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Natalie
That is a great place!  But I still wonder how all those cats can be
monitored and how they don't get out of therelogistically, I'd love to
know how it's done! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Frank Saverese
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

Hi Lorrie,

I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you. The two
best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in California
http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/  -where I would love to live myself, and
Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/  Both of these
organizations have a true love for cats.

Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care funding are
important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry out your wishes
is most important and most difficult. That is the problem I'm having.

Best wishes,

Frank


- Original Message - 
From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries


 Thanks for all your very informative posts... They were eye
 opening!   Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor santuary, but my cats have
 always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I want, BUT if
 it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they have no limit
 on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it!

 Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of strange cats, as
 we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used to seeing new
 cats around.  I hope to find a santuary where the cats can be
 outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. This is probably
 going to be very difficult to find.

 Lorrie

 On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote:

  Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad category and good
  folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be
  successful.
 
  But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment.
  They're probably not used to quantities of cats.  Check out the
  options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they
  take in and care for cats.  And for vet care-do they have a vet
  associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person
  running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats
  outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats.
 
  Just some thoughts-
 
  Gloria
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Susan Hoffman
Have you been there?

--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:36 AM
 That is a great place!  But
 I still wonder how all those cats can be
 monitored and how they don't get out of
 therelogistically, I'd love to
 know how it's done! Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Frank Saverese
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 Hi Lorrie,
 
 I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death
 as you. The two
 best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in
 California
 http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/  -where I would
 love to live myself, and
 Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/  Both of these
 organizations have a true love for cats.
 
 Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care
 funding are
 important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry
 out your wishes
 is most important and most difficult. That is the problem
 I'm having.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Frank
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 
  Thanks for all your very informative posts... They
 were eye
  opening!   Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor
 santuary, but my cats have
  always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I
 want, BUT if
  it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they
 have no limit
  on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it!
 
  Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of
 strange cats, as
  we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used
 to seeing new
  cats around.  I hope to find a santuary where the
 cats can be
  outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded.
 This is probably
  going to be very difficult to find.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote:
 
   Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad
 category and good
   folks start them with good intentions and plans
 and can be
   successful.
  
   But any place your cats move, they will have to
 make an adjustment.
   They're probably not used to quantities of
 cats.  Check out the
   options in your local area, and ask what the
 procedure is when they
   take in and care for cats.  And for vet
 care-do they have a vet
   associated with thir facility? What is the age of
 the person
   running the facility and what are their future
 plans? Are your cats
   outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all
 outdoor cats.
  
   Just some thoughts-
  
   Gloria
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Carmen Conklin
I agree Susan, the more humans available, the more likely the sanctuary to
be a good one. There are a few 'in home' ones that are good too. Depending
on how many animals you can handle financially. We started with only one
building and we now have a brand new sixth one being completed inside (with
clinic room for my med tech and for my vet to work in when he comes on site,
and 9 staff and 12 volunteers and we live ON the property. Our home houses
29 hospice kitties, the diabetics and some other more intense medical needs
cats. We only do special needs and there is s a need for more good
sanctuaries to take FeLV cats and 'adoption challenged' furs. And someone
made a good point about planning ahead for the care of their kitties when
they are gone. We too, have that plan in place when the two founders (wanda
and I) are gone.That is s important,  no matter how  many kitties you
have. We have a 'Safety Net' program just for that. And we actually have one
building that a lady from another Iowa county built 'just for her cats' paid
for it all and she could  no longer care for them, so they are here. All
their care is paid for for their lifetimes and when they are gone, the
building becomes the property of our sanctuary. That was a first for us. But
it won't be the last I am sure. All we have to do is be good caregivers-and
her plan states the care and food, etc as she wants them to have. They also
have TV's with Catsitter videos playing and access to outdoor area this
summer as we still ened to screen in the outdoor porch.Carmen and furs at
Rustic Hollow Shelter
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Natalie
An acquaintance knows the woman's ex-husband, and she visited once, a few
years ago.  She was impressed; knowing the kind of person she is, I trusted
her evaluation.  But I still wonder how those places manage the cats - how
can they NOT get out of that sanctuary...there are roads to get in, to get
outcats aren't dogs!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

Have you been there?

--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:36 AM
 That is a great place!  But
 I still wonder how all those cats can be
 monitored and how they don't get out of
 therelogistically, I'd love to
 know how it's done! Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Frank Saverese
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 Hi Lorrie,
 
 I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death
 as you. The two
 best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in
 California
 http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/  -where I would
 love to live myself, and
 Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/  Both of these
 organizations have a true love for cats.
 
 Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care
 funding are
 important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry
 out your wishes
 is most important and most difficult. That is the problem
 I'm having.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Frank
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 
  Thanks for all your very informative posts... They
 were eye
  opening!   Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor
 santuary, but my cats have
  always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I
 want, BUT if
  it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they
 have no limit
  on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it!
 
  Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of
 strange cats, as
  we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used
 to seeing new
  cats around.  I hope to find a santuary where the
 cats can be
  outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded.
 This is probably
  going to be very difficult to find.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote:
 
   Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad
 category and good
   folks start them with good intentions and plans
 and can be
   successful.
  
   But any place your cats move, they will have to
 make an adjustment.
   They're probably not used to quantities of
 cats.  Check out the
   options in your local area, and ask what the
 procedure is when they
   take in and care for cats.  And for vet
 care-do they have a vet
   associated with thir facility? What is the age of
 the person
   running the facility and what are their future
 plans? Are your cats
   outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all
 outdoor cats.
  
   Just some thoughts-
  
   Gloria
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Natalie
I would definitely be concerned about only one person caring for all those
cats - but there must be volunteers!  When the person I spoke to visited,
there were not as many cats at the place, yet.  I would definitely worry
about what happens when she can no longer continue. We are working on a
trust for the cats, but also have to make sure who would be in charge...not
some lawyer who has no idea about cats, yet, it has to be someone you trust,
and what if something happens to them?  No, it's definitely not easy for
anyone who has several animals, and especially for those who do rescue.

I saw a video of a couple who have 600 cats in their home, it was spotless,
but they work from morning until night, all the time, cleaning, feeding, and
caring for the cats; they do not find homes for them, either, they don't
trust people.  They were guests on a talk show; they may have been in
Canada.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

No.  NOT Cathouse on the Kings.  Have you actually been there?  Recently?
Don't recommend them unless you're answering yes to both questions.

There are a lot of problems with Cathouse on the  Kings.  They have 600-800
cats, poor tracking and intake procedures (inadequate testing and FeLV cats
mixed with general population and cats who were negative coming up
positive.)  The ferals and hard to handle cats receive no medical care, not
even amoxicilin mixed in food.  Ferals have been seen with green snot on
their faces.

Also, Cathouse on the  Kings is basically run by one woman.  What happens
when she dies?  Local rescues are very concerned about trying to pick up
those pieces.  It's like  a ponzi scheme, with money taken for new cats used
to support an already unwieldy operation.

Do not go on what you see online.  You need to actually visit a sanctuary
and visit it every 6-12 months to monitor.  

--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Frank Saverese franksa...@verizon.net wrote:

 From: Frank Saverese franksa...@verizon.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 7:28 AM
 Hi Lorrie,
 
 I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death
 as you. The two
 best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in
 California
 http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/  -where I would
 love to live myself, and
 Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/  Both of these
 organizations have a true love for cats.
 
 Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care
 funding are
 important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry
 out your wishes
 is most important and most difficult. That is the problem
 I'm having.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Frank
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 
  Thanks for all your very informative posts... They
 were eye
  opening!   Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor
 santuary, but my cats have
  always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I
 want, BUT if
  it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they
 have no limit
  on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it!
 
  Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of
 strange cats, as
  we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used
 to seeing new
  cats around.  I hope to find a santuary where the
 cats can be
  outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded.
 This is probably
  going to be very difficult to find.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote:
 
   Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad
 category and good
   folks start them with good intentions and plans
 and can be
   successful.
  
   But any place your cats move, they will have to
 make an adjustment.
   They're probably not used to quantities of
 cats.  Check out the
   options in your local area, and ask what the
 procedure is when they
   take in and care for cats.  And for vet
 care-do they have a vet
   associated with thir facility? What is the age of
 the person
   running the facility and what are their future
 plans? Are your cats
   outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all
 outdoor cats.
  
   Just some thoughts-
  
   Gloria
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Natalie
Thanks! Seems a lot easier for anyone applying now than when I did it in
1989.that first report was murder!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period.

http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the
 number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is
 being publicly and NOT privately supported.  There's a one year advance
 ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the
 public, then one is granted permanent status.
 I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their
 sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Frank Saverese
Hi Natalie,

According to a TV special I saw about it, the whole place is fenced in with
cat-proof fencing.

Frank

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries


 That is a great place!  But I still wonder how all those cats can be
 monitored and how they don't get out of therelogistically, I'd love to
 know how it's done! Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Frank Saverese
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

 Hi Lorrie,

 I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you. The
two
 best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in California
 http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/  -where I would love to live myself,
and
 Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/  Both of these
 organizations have a true love for cats.

 Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care funding are
 important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry out your wishes
 is most important and most difficult. That is the problem I'm having.

 Best wishes,

 Frank


 - Original Message - 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries


  Thanks for all your very informative posts... They were eye
  opening!   Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor santuary, but my cats have
  always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I want, BUT if
  it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they have no limit
  on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it!
 
  Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of strange cats, as
  we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used to seeing new
  cats around.  I hope to find a santuary where the cats can be
  outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded. This is probably
  going to be very difficult to find.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote:
 
   Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad category and good
   folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be
   successful.
  
   But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment.
   They're probably not used to quantities of cats.  Check out the
   options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they
   take in and care for cats.  And for vet care-do they have a vet
   associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person
   running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats
   outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats.
  
   Just some thoughts-
  
   Gloria
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Marnie Miszewski
The last time I posted, I was in the start up phase of my sanctuary, Helping 
Paws Animal Sanctuary. We will be in business 1 year in July and we are already 
working on our expansion. We currently have 1500SF indoor facility (soon to add 
another 1500SF) and have limited to approx 100 cats. I don't believe in cages 
and keep the cats in large rooms with perches, furniture even water fountains. 
My inspiration was my FELV+ cat Tom. There weren't any places for positive 
kitties. I do adopt out my kitties to make room for new ones, but keep it 
home-like for the long term friends. My vet sees every cat before they enter 
the facility and oversees their care. She's on my board of directors and is 
only a call or text away if I need her. Many of my volunteers have vet tech 
experience (including myself). Animal Services of Lee County has inspected us 
and have asked us to be a model for the other shelters/sanctuaries in the area. 
They also transfer their positive kitties to me when I have room for them. I 
love each of these furry friends and know all their names. Their well being is 
my life's mission and I wouldn't have it any other way. We are open to the 
public every evening and the kitties look forward to entertaining their guests. 
As for outdoor kitty time we have a screened enclosure they take turns using. 
Our dream is to have acreage for them but all things in time. I can't speak for 
other sanctuaries, but I welcome everyone to come see our facility. I like to 
think I'm doing Tom proud.
Marnie Miszewski
Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary
www.helpingpawsanimalsanctuary.com
Saint James City, FL
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Lorrie
On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:

 This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed
 business model.  A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
 So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
 more expensive to maintain.  And usually the people who try to
 start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
 they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
 sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
 just not a sustainable model.

I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
(78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
this earth.

Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
than wonderful!

They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.

If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
about Caboodle please let me know.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Beth
I've heard people say it's not good. The ONLY way to check out any sanctuary 
is by visiting it yourself. NEVER send ANY cat to somewhere you have not 
visited personally. No limit on the number of cats is DEFINITELY a red flag. 

Beth
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--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 8:57 AM

On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:

 This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed
 business model.  A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
 So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
 more expensive to maintain.  And usually the people who try to
 start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
 they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
 sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
 just not a sustainable model.

I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
(78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
this earth.

Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
than wonderful!

They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.

If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
about Caboodle please let me know.

Lorrie  


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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Debbie Bates

I have not personally visited Caboodle...however, the group I foster for said 
they would NEVER allow any of their animals to go there.  The animals live out 
of doors (for the most part)and this guy really discourages visitors.  So 
if a cat gets sick and hides ... how will he know?  The healthy ones probably 
enjoy themselves, but he has no way to keep accurate health care records
Now, you can take this with a grain of saltthis same group is the one who 
placed my unadoptable foster momma in the sanctuary that was shut down by 
Law EnforcementI DID get to see that one and it was nothing short of a 
concentration camp for cats...I still have nightmares.

Debbie 
~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ 


 
 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500
 From: felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 
  This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed
  business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
  So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
  more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to
  start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
  they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
  sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
  just not a sustainable model.
 
 I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
 (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
 this earth.
 
 Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
 It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
 certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
 than wonderful!
 
 They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
 the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.
 
 If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
 about Caboodle please let me know.
 
 Lorrie 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread C PQ

I used to recommend Caboodle to people, but not anymore. There was an expose 
posted to a site that has now been disabled, but read this article:
http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1151027.ece


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 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500
 From: felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 
  This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed
  business model.  A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
  So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
  more expensive to maintain.  And usually the people who try to
  start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
  they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
  sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
  just not a sustainable model.
 
 I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
 (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
 this earth.
 
 Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
 It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
 certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
 than wonderful!
 
 They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
 the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.
 
 If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
 about Caboodle please let me know.
 
 Lorrie  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Heather
I hope this link works.  I live in Florida and know several people who have
been to Caboodle.

From what I can surmise, it seems it was pretty decent years ago and has
possibly declined with illness and the increasing population.   Hearing
reports of a cat with its eye hanging out (two different people from
different areas of florida who don't know each other reported seeing this
cat), or an exposed fracture as mentioned in this article, are pretty
scary.   I've heard some things that suggest it may have been cleaned up
some (do not know), but this article was in a local paper in the last few
weeks.

I don't think much can be worse than being stacked in a carrier or cage for
life, but, check it out before leaving an animal is of course the best
advice as stated here by others.

http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1151027.ece


On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:


 I have not personally visited Caboodle...however, the group I foster for
 said they would NEVER allow any of their animals to go there.  The animals
 live out of doors (for the most part)and this guy really discourages
 visitors.  So if a cat gets sick and hides ... how will he know?  The
 healthy ones probably enjoy themselves, but he has no way to keep accurate
 health care records
 Now, you can take this with a grain of saltthis same group is the one
 who placed my unadoptable foster momma in the sanctuary that was shut
 down by Law EnforcementI DID get to see that one and it was nothing
 short of a concentration camp for cats...I still have nightmares.

 Debbie
 ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~



  Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500
  From: felineres...@kvinet.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
  
  On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 
   This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed
   business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
   So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
   more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to
   start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
   they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
   sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
   just not a sustainable model.
 
  I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
  (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
  this earth.
 
  Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
  It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
  certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
  than wonderful!
 
  They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
  the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.
 
  If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
  about Caboodle please let me know.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Gloria Lane
Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad category and good folks start 
them with good intentions and plans and can be successful.  

But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. They're 
probably not used to quantities of cats.  Check out the options in your local 
area, and ask what the procedure is when they take in and care for cats.  And 
for vet care-do they have a vet associated with thir facility? What is the age 
of the person running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your 
cats outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. 

Just some thoughts-

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 
 This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed
 business model.  A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
 So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
 more expensive to maintain.  And usually the people who try to
 start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
 they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
 sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
 just not a sustainable model.
 
 I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
 (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
 this earth.
 
 Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
 It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
 certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
 than wonderful!
 
 They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
 the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.
 
 If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
 about Caboodle please let me know.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Natalie
I've seen many photos and even a video from Caboodle Ranch...I always
wonder, if all cats are outdoors - can't they get out of the area, and how
can one monitor them all when one may not know where they are?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 9:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Debbie Bates
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

I hope this link works.  I live in Florida and know several people who have
been to Caboodle.

From what I can surmise, it seems it was pretty decent years ago and has
possibly declined with illness and the increasing population.   Hearing
reports of a cat with its eye hanging out (two different people from
different areas of florida who don't know each other reported seeing this
cat), or an exposed fracture as mentioned in this article, are pretty
scary.   I've heard some things that suggest it may have been cleaned up
some (do not know), but this article was in a local paper in the last few
weeks.

I don't think much can be worse than being stacked in a carrier or cage for
life, but, check it out before leaving an animal is of course the best
advice as stated here by others.

http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1151027.ece


On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:


 I have not personally visited Caboodle...however, the group I foster for
 said they would NEVER allow any of their animals to go there.  The animals
 live out of doors (for the most part)and this guy really discourages
 visitors.  So if a cat gets sick and hides ... how will he know?  The
 healthy ones probably enjoy themselves, but he has no way to keep accurate
 health care records
 Now, you can take this with a grain of saltthis same group is the one
 who placed my unadoptable foster momma in the sanctuary that was shut
 down by Law EnforcementI DID get to see that one and it was nothing
 short of a concentration camp for cats...I still have nightmares.

 Debbie
 ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~



  Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500
  From: felineres...@kvinet.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
  
  On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 
   This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed
   business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
   So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
   more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to
   start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
   they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
   sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
   just not a sustainable model.
 
  I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
  (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
  this earth.
 
  Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
  It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
  certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
  than wonderful!
 
  They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
  the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.
 
  If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
  about Caboodle please let me know.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Carmen Conklin
If you are considering any sanctuary for your animals, please visit that
sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for and if it is what
it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has five very nice
buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being completed or will be
by  March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech and spay/neuter
clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for volunteers who come
and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. sanctuary is
horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. We need more
positive stories.  Just be sure to visit if you take an animal to any so
called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell people to come
either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not the fit for your
cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the board and our
volunteers as well.  We have a couple cats coming from a so-called 'rescue'
(gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working with are doing what
they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' cages one since
she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to say she is kind
of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to Caboodle Ranch but
there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will find a lot of
information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat there and it
went missing very quickly..
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread a h
I can personally vouch for Carmen's CW sanctuary. She takes VERY GOOD care of 
her residents. My Milo was treated like a king there. 
Alice Hanson

  - Original Message - 
  From: Carmen Conklinmailto:cwshel...@wildblue.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries


  If you are considering any sanctuary for your animals, please visit that
  sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for and if it is what
  it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has five very nice
  buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being completed or will be
  by  March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech and spay/neuter
  clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for volunteers who come
  and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. sanctuary is
  horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. We need more
  positive stories.  Just be sure to visit if you take an animal to any so
  called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell people to come
  either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not the fit for your
  cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the board and our
  volunteers as well.  We have a couple cats coming from a so-called 'rescue'
  (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working with are doing what
  they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' cages one since
  she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to say she is kind
  of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to Caboodle Ranch but
  there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will find a lot of
  information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat there and it
  went missing very quickly..
  Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. 
www.rustichollowshelter.orghttp://www.rustichollowshelter.org/
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Susan Hoffman
The few truly good sanctuaries that I have encountered have been small 
operations with multiple humans living on site.

--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net wrote:

 From: Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:26 PM
 If you are considering any sanctuary
 for your animals, please visit that
 sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for
 and if it is what
 it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has
 five very nice
 buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being
 completed or will be
 by  March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech
 and spay/neuter
 clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for
 volunteers who come
 and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C.
 sanctuary is
 horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap.
 We need more
 positive stories.  Just be sure to visit if you take
 an animal to any so
 called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell
 people to come
 either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not
 the fit for your
 cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the
 board and our
 volunteers as well.  We have a couple cats coming from
 a so-called 'rescue'
 (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working
 with are doing what
 they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2'
 cages one since
 she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to
 say she is kind
 of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to
 Caboodle Ranch but
 there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will
 find a lot of
 information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat
 there and it
 went missing very quickly..
 Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter.
 www.rustichollowshelter.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread dana giordano
Do people ever start what is basically a very small in-home sanctuary to
help take care of almost 10 multiple rescued cats, and some outdoor ferals
because they don't believe in risking the cats to the shelter systems?  Is
that too small a number of animals to be considered a sanctuary non-profit?


On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote:

 The few truly good sanctuaries that I have encountered have been small
 operations with multiple humans living on site.

 --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net wrote:

  From: Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:26 PM
  If you are considering any sanctuary
  for your animals, please visit that
  sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for
  and if it is what
  it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has
  five very nice
  buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being
  completed or will be
  by  March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech
  and spay/neuter
  clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for
  volunteers who come
  and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C.
  sanctuary is
  horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap.
  We need more
  positive stories.  Just be sure to visit if you take
  an animal to any so
  called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell
  people to come
  either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not
  the fit for your
  cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the
  board and our
  volunteers as well.  We have a couple cats coming from
  a so-called 'rescue'
  (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working
  with are doing what
  they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2'
  cages one since
  she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to
  say she is kind
  of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to
  Caboodle Ranch but
  there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will
  find a lot of
  information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat
  there and it
  went missing very quickly..
  Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter.
  www.rustichollowshelter.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Natalie
I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the
number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is
being publicly and NOT privately supported.  There's a one year advance
ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the
public, then one is granted permanent status.
I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their
sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dana giordano
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 6:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

Do people ever start what is basically a very small in-home sanctuary to
help take care of almost 10 multiple rescued cats, and some outdoor ferals
because they don't believe in risking the cats to the shelter systems?  Is
that too small a number of animals to be considered a sanctuary non-profit?


On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Susan Hoffman
susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote:

 The few truly good sanctuaries that I have encountered have been small
 operations with multiple humans living on site.

 --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net wrote:

  From: Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:26 PM
  If you are considering any sanctuary
  for your animals, please visit that
  sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for
  and if it is what
  it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has
  five very nice
  buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being
  completed or will be
  by  March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech
  and spay/neuter
  clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for
  volunteers who come
  and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C.
  sanctuary is
  horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap.
  We need more
  positive stories.  Just be sure to visit if you take
  an animal to any so
  called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell
  people to come
  either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not
  the fit for your
  cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the
  board and our
  volunteers as well.  We have a couple cats coming from
  a so-called 'rescue'
  (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working
  with are doing what
  they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2'
  cages one since
  she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to
  say she is kind
  of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to
  Caboodle Ranch but
  there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will
  find a lot of
  information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat
  there and it
  went missing very quickly..
  Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter.
  www.rustichollowshelter.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread katskat1
I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having
several cats and dogs of my own.  In my 60's, live along female.  I
finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing
that makes me feel best.

I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I
couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in
my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death.  This
money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used
specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to
live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted
or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets
concur it is a medical neccessity.

Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose.

Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight?  I don't
know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but
I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if
necessary and she has agreed.

Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't
visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced
if possible.

kat
On 2/25/11, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:
 On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:

 This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed
 business model.  A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
 So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
 more expensive to maintain.  And usually the people who try to
 start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
 they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
 sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
 just not a sustainable model.

 I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
 (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
 this earth.

 Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
 It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
 certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
 than wonderful!

 They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
 the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.

 If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
 about Caboodle please let me know.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Belinda Sauro
If hubby and I die before my furkids, my sister gets our house and 
insurance and will take our kitties, she has 6 of her own and I trust 
her with my life.  She can sell the house or live in it and will have 
more than enough to take care of them for the rest of their lives.  If 
we all die in a car accident, my vet will get everything and said she 
will take care of our furkids.  Hopefully that covers them!!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Kelley Saveika
The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period.

http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the
 number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is
 being publicly and NOT privately supported.  There's a one year advance
 ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the
 public, then one is granted permanent status.
 I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their
 sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Kelley Saveika
As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I
trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you
ever tried it)?

PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught
disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other
shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes.  They
were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or
something of that nature.

Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to
worry about them.

PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking at
animals from a distance.

They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly on
TV.

I think they are nutty as fruit cakes.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period.

 http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html


 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the
 number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is
 being publicly and NOT privately supported.  There's a one year advance
 ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the
 public, then one is granted permanent status.
 I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their
 sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary!




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