Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5?

2007-05-31 Thread Gordon McLean
I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them but... I'm getting errors and can't open the files. I can't decide whether the ZIP files have been corrupted, or whether it's a FrameMaker issue and as

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:49 -0600 30/5/07, Combs, Richard wrote: And, indulge my curmudgeonliness for a moment: Does the tech writing profession really need more excuses for font fondling? :-o Well, for my money, one of the great things about InD is the quality of layout it produces without interference. Ok, you

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:29 -0700 30/5/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: Or maybe you want an InDesign = 6 that supports all the wonderful FrameMaker features that aren't already in InDesign. That would solve a whole bunch of other problems such as Macintosh support, CMYK + spot color support, transparency support, etc.

Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5?

2007-05-31 Thread Paul Wilbraham
Gordon I do have a copy of FrameMaker 5. Would you like to send me one document and I will try and open it for you - on the grounds that you do not wish to purchase the s/w if the docs are corrupted. Best regards --Paul Wilbraham Aztex Training 0044 (0) 7977 464 561

Re: Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5?

2007-05-31 Thread Peter Gold
Gordon McLean wrote: I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them but... I'm getting errors and can't open the files. I can't decide whether the ZIP files have been corrupted, or whether it's a

Re: Change in PDF job options

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 18:06 -0700 30/5/07, Janet Underwood wrote: Can someone clarify for me the changes in the PDF job options? I'm using v.7.1 and when setting up a PDF, my options are eBook, Press, Print and Screen. A friend is using v 7.2 and his options are High Quality Print, PDFA Draft, PDFX1a2001,

Re: Save EDD As DTD Not Working

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 19:08 -0500 30/5/07, Lin Surasky wrote: I started by creating an EDD in FrameMaker. It's not particularly fancy, but it meets the basic requirements for what I need right now. I tried to save it as a DTD so I could move on to the next step of testing imported XML. I was getting error messages,

RE: Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5? [CLOSED]

2007-05-31 Thread Gordon McLean
Thanks to all who responded both on and off list. Turns out the files themselves are corrupt, so looks like I'll be reworking them from HTML into FrameMaker... Joy. Much appreciated everyone, favours are owed! Gordon P.S. Lest anyone think otherwise, I haven't been active on the list recently

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
As far the rivers, there is an option in Word when using justified text to ge t rid of the rivers. It does not look good on screen when using this option, bu t the printed version is excellent. See the article below. The name of the option below is for Word 2000. I can't find that option in

Re: Getting something ignored during spell checking

2007-05-31 Thread Stuart Rogers
John Posada wrote: Tammy...you don't have to go through that series of menu selections to pick a variable. From your keyboard, enter CTRL 0 to display the available variables in the bottom space of your FM document..you can scroll thrtough the list with your cursor keys. Enter CTRL 0 L Enter

RE: Save EDD As DTD Not Working

2007-05-31 Thread Lin Surasky
Hi, Steve- Stick to the base character set, alphanumerics, no spaces, for your element names. Are hyphens okay? All my element names are alpha only, no spaces, but two have hyphens in them... I'm also going to try your suggestion of conditionalizing element defs for use in the DTD. However,

RE: Tracing the Graphic Lineage

2007-05-31 Thread Pinkham, Jim
Now that my somewhat robust computer has laughed hysterically and duly chastened me and my folly, I'm here to tell you that even a meta-book for one category won't work, apart from further scaling. FM tried valiantly to add 1,696 chapter files to a book before indulging in aforesaid laughter. It

Re: Tracing the Graphic Lineage

2007-05-31 Thread Art Campbell
Yeah, smaller meta-books might help. I've only gone up to a couple hundred chapter files myself... ;- ) However, you may want to ping one of the script gurus (I always use Rick Quatro) and tell him what you want to do and he'll tell you how much (unless you're a script guru yourself). It'd

RE: Save EDD As DTD Not Working

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:12 -0500 31/5/07, Lin Surasky wrote: Stick to the base character set, alphanumerics, no spaces, for your element names. Are hyphens okay? All my element names are alpha only, no spaces, but two have hyphens in them... Not sure: check with the XML spec at the W3C site. It might be your

RE: Tracing the Graphic Lineage

2007-05-31 Thread Pinkham, Jim
Thanks, Art -- That's a second vote for Framescript, and I'll look into it further. And, yes, that many files was a gamble. I knew it, but I had a little time to experiment. I'll also remain open to other suggestions. Jim -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Save EDD As DTD Not Working

2007-05-31 Thread Lin Surasky
Well, what did you expect? This looks to me like a valid DTD, although neither your EDD nor your DTD are exactly exciting. So sorry to bore you! ;-) That was my test to see if FrameMaker was having an issue or if it was ALL me. It's mostly me, but this bare-bones test proves there's

RE: Save EDD As DTD Not Working

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:32 -0500 31/5/07, Lin Surasky wrote: Well, what did you expect? This looks to me like a valid DTD, although neither your EDD nor your DTD are exactly exciting. So sorry to bore you! ;-) Joke. That was my test to see if FrameMaker was having an issue or if it was ALL me. It's mostly

FM crashes on print book to file (surprise! No?)

2007-05-31 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
I am starting to get annoyed with FrameMaker. (Sorry for a lengthy message). On a few occasions I have plagued the list with my complaints about FM (mainly 7.2) crashing on printing a book to ps. I have now spent half the day trying to produce an online PDF with bookmarks. No problem printing to

Re: FM crashes on print book to file (surprise! No?)

2007-05-31 Thread Art Campbell
What's your platform and Acrobat configuration? On 5/31/07, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am starting to get annoyed with FrameMaker. (Sorry for a lengthy message). On a few occasions I have plagued the list with my complaints about FM (mainly 7.2) crashing on printing a book

Re: FM crashes on print book to file (surprise! No?)

2007-05-31 Thread Yves Barbion
Hi Bodvar, have you tried switching off Generate Tagged PDF in PDF Setup Tags? Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto bvba Asselsstraat 65 9031 Gent Belgium T: +32 494 12 01 89 F: +32 9 366 50 32 BTW (VAT) BE

Character Formats and Structured Frame

2007-05-31 Thread Kristy Nolan
Hello, All! Now that we have created most of the pieces of our EDD, we are at the stage where we are starting to create material and test the structure. One dilemma I came across was that of character formats. How or where do character formats get set up (EDD or formats document)? I

FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Rene Stephenson
All, We have a quick reference guide that uses a (US) legal-size landscape layout. It is set up in FM as a custom page size 14x8 with 3 columns in the text frame. It's to be printed duplex and then folded accordian-style. Initially, we were going to be working with a professional printer,

Re: FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Kenneth C. Benson
From: Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a quick reference guide that uses a (US) legal-size landscape layout. It is set up in FM as a custom page size 14x8 with 3 columns in the text frame. Legal is 8.5x14, not 8x14. Could that be the problem? You can't really do much about how

Re: FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Art Campbell
Also, many printer drivers are set to shrink PDFs to fit, so it may be coming out at 97% or so... Another thing the end user needs to know about. Just in passing, the 1/4 inch you mention is likely to be a hardware limitation where the paper goes along the paper path or is gripped by part of the

RE: Character Formats and Structured Frame

2007-05-31 Thread Mike Feimster
Kristy, Since you already have the character formats set up in your template, you can add similar elements to the EDD that reference the character formats. For example, you could create a key element that refers to the appropriate character format. Make sure the element uses text range

Re: FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Rene Stephenson
Good point, but no - that's my typo. It's set to 14x8.5 - I just got in too big of a hurry typing the post. :-\ SORRY OK, so an advisory notice of sorts (ReadMe file, popup, etc.) looks like our only option... Rene Kenneth C. Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rene Stephenson

Re: FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Kenneth C. Benson
From: Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, so an advisory notice of sorts (ReadMe file, popup, etc.) looks like our only option... Shouldn't be necessary. Your legal size document is no different--in terms of printing from Acrobat--than anyone else's. If your customers are getting strange

Re: FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Rene Stephenson
Unfortunately, there's just too much info to get it on letter size paper and have it meet the minimum font specs...unless it goes to more than front-and-back, in which case I am told there are issues with it being included as a laminated item attached inside the cover of the product. We

RE: FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Combs, Richard
Rene Stephenson wrote: OK, so an advisory notice of sorts (ReadMe file, popup, etc.) looks like our only option... I have Acro 7, and in the Print dialog, Page Scaling defaults to Fit to Printer Margins. My default HP printer has unprintable margins of, IIRC, about .22 inches on the

RE: FM crashes on print book to file (surprise! No?)

2007-05-31 Thread Rush, Jay
I posted a similar message to the framers, Acrobat, and InDesign lists. I had Frame 7.2 p158 and Acrobat 7.0.8 (not 7.0.9) installed for quite some time with no problems. I then upgraded my CS2 with CS3 upgrade, which came with Acrobat 8. I then got frequent, random Frame crashes when PDFing as

Getting something ignored during spell checking

2007-05-31 Thread rebecca officer
If you replace the space before the .xml (etc) with a non-breaking space, then the spellchecker ignores it. The non-breaking spaces drop the quality of your layout a little, but for a developer guide I'd guess that wouldn't really be a problem. Cheers, Rebecca >>> "Van Boening, Tammy" 31/05/07

Change in PDF job options

2007-05-31 Thread Kenneth C. Benson
From: "Janet Underwood" > Can someone clarify for me the changes in the PDF job options? I'm using v.7.1 and when setting up a PDF, my options are eBook, Press, Print and Screen. A friend is using v 7.2 and his options are High Quality Print, PDFA Draft, PDFX1a2001, PDFX32002,

Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5?

2007-05-31 Thread Gordon McLean
I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them but... I'm getting errors and can't open the files. I can't decide whether the ZIP files have been corrupted, or whether it's a FrameMaker issue and as

First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:49 -0600 30/5/07, Combs, Richard wrote: >And, indulge my curmudgeonliness for a moment: Does the tech writing >profession really need more excuses for font fondling? :-o Well, for my money, one of the great things about InD is the quality of layout it produces without interference. Ok,

First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:29 -0700 30/5/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: >Or maybe you want an InDesign >= 6 that supports all the wonderful FrameMaker >features that aren't already in InDesign. That would solve a whole bunch of >other problems such as Macintosh support, CMYK + spot color support, >transparency support,

Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5?

2007-05-31 Thread Peter Gold
Gordon McLean wrote: > I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in > FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them > but... > > I'm getting errors and can't open the files. I can't decide whether the ZIP > files have been corrupted, or

Change in PDF job options

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 18:06 -0700 30/5/07, Janet Underwood wrote: >Can someone clarify for me the changes in the PDF job options? I'm using v.7.1 >and when setting up a PDF, my options are eBook, Press, Print and Screen. A >friend is using v 7.2 and his options are High Quality Print, PDFA Draft, >PDFX1a2001,

Save EDD As DTD Not Working

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 19:08 -0500 30/5/07, Lin Surasky wrote: >I started by creating an EDD in FrameMaker. It's not particularly fancy, >but it meets the basic requirements for what I need right now. I tried >to save it as a DTD so I could move on to the next step of testing >imported XML. I was getting error

Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5? [CLOSED]

2007-05-31 Thread Gordon McLean
Thanks to all who responded both on and off list. Turns out the files themselves are corrupt, so looks like I'll be reworking them from HTML into FrameMaker... Joy. Much appreciated everyone, favours are owed! Gordon P.S. Lest anyone think otherwise, I haven't been active on the list recently

First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
As far the "rivers," there is an option in Word when using justified text to ge t rid of the rivers. It does not look good on screen when using this option, bu t the printed version is excellent. See the article below. The name of the option below is for Word 2000. I can't find that option in

Getting something ignored during spell checking

2007-05-31 Thread Stuart Rogers
John Posada wrote: > Tammy...you don't have to go through that series of menu selections > to pick a variable. > >>From your keyboard, enter 0 to display the available variables > in the bottom space of your FM document..you can scroll thrtough the > list with your cursor keys. > > Enter 0

Save EDD As DTD Not Working

2007-05-31 Thread Lin Surasky
Hi, Steve- > Stick to the base > character set, alphanumerics, no spaces, for your element names. Are hyphens okay? All my element names are alpha only, no spaces, but two have hyphens in them... I'm also going to try your suggestion of conditionalizing element defs for use in the DTD.

Tracing the Graphic Lineage

2007-05-31 Thread Pinkham, Jim
Now that my somewhat robust computer has laughed hysterically and duly chastened me and my folly, I'm here to tell you that even a meta-book for one category won't work, apart from further scaling. FM tried valiantly to add 1,696 chapter files to a book before indulging in aforesaid laughter. It

Tracing the Graphic Lineage

2007-05-31 Thread Art Campbell
Yeah, smaller meta-books might help. I've only gone up to a couple hundred chapter files myself... ;- ) However, you may want to ping one of the script gurus (I always use Rick Quatro) and tell him what you want to do and he'll tell you how much (unless you're a script guru yourself). It'd

Save EDD As DTD Not Working

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:12 -0500 31/5/07, Lin Surasky wrote: > > Stick to the base >> character set, alphanumerics, no spaces, for your element names. > >Are hyphens okay? All my element names are alpha only, no spaces, but >two have hyphens in them... Not sure: check with the XML spec at the W3C site. It might be

Tracing the Graphic Lineage

2007-05-31 Thread Pinkham, Jim
Thanks, Art -- That's a second vote for Framescript, and I'll look into it further. And, yes, that many files was a gamble. I knew it, but I had a little time to experiment. I'll also remain open to other suggestions. Jim -Original Message- From: Art Campbell

Save EDD As DTD Not Working

2007-05-31 Thread Lin Surasky
> Well, what did you expect? This looks to me like a valid DTD, > although neither your EDD nor your DTD are exactly exciting. > So sorry to bore you! ;-) That was my test to see if FrameMaker was having an issue or if it was ALL me. It's mostly me, but this bare-bones test proves there's

Save EDD As DTD Not Working

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:32 -0500 31/5/07, Lin Surasky wrote: > > > Well, what did you expect? This looks to me like a valid DTD, >> although neither your EDD nor your DTD are exactly exciting. >> >So sorry to bore you! ;-) Joke. >That was my test to see if FrameMaker was having an issue or if it was ALL me.

FM crashes on print book to file (surprise! No?)

2007-05-31 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
I am starting to get annoyed with FrameMaker. (Sorry for a lengthy message). On a few occasions I have plagued the list with my complaints about FM (mainly 7.2) crashing on printing a book to ps. I have now spent half the day trying to produce an online PDF with bookmarks. No problem printing to

FM crashes on print book to file (surprise! No?)

2007-05-31 Thread Art Campbell
What's your platform and Acrobat configuration? On 5/31/07, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > I am starting to get annoyed with FrameMaker. (Sorry for a lengthy message). > > On a few occasions I have plagued the list with my complaints about FM > (mainly 7.2) crashing on printing a book to ps. I

FM crashes on print book to file (surprise! No?)

2007-05-31 Thread Yves Barbion
Hi Bodvar, have you tried switching off "Generate Tagged PDF" in PDF Setup > Tags? Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto bvba Asselsstraat 65 9031 Gent Belgium T: +32 494 12 01 89 F: +32 9 366 50 32 BTW (VAT) BE

Character Formats and Structured Frame

2007-05-31 Thread Kristy Nolan
Hello, All! Now that we have created most of the pieces of our EDD, we are at the stage where we are starting to create material and test the structure. One dilemma I came across was that of character formats. How or where do character formats get set up (EDD or formats document)? I know how to

FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Rene Stephenson
All, We have a quick reference guide that uses a (US) legal-size landscape layout. It is set up in FM as a custom page size 14x8" with 3 columns in the text frame. It's to be printed duplex and then folded accordian-style. Initially, we were going to be working with a professional printer,

FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Kenneth C. Benson
From: "Rene Stephenson" > We have a quick reference guide that uses a (US) legal-size landscape layout. It is set up in FM as a custom page size 14x8" with 3 columns in the text frame. Legal is 8.5"x14", not 8"x14". Could that be the problem? You can't really do much about

FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Art Campbell
Also, many printer drivers are set to shrink PDFs to fit, so it may be coming out at 97% or so... Another thing the end user needs to know about. Just in passing, the 1/4 inch you mention is likely to be a hardware limitation where the paper goes along the paper path or is gripped by part of the

Character Formats and Structured Frame

2007-05-31 Thread Mike Feimster
Kristy, Since you already have the character formats set up in your template, you can add similar elements to the EDD that reference the character formats. For example, you could create a element that refers to the appropriate character format. Make sure the element uses text range formatting.

FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Rene Stephenson
Good point, but no - that's my typo. It's set to 14x8.5" - I just got in too big of a hurry typing the post. :-\ SORRY OK, so an advisory notice of sorts (ReadMe file, popup, etc.) looks like our only option... Rene "Kenneth C. Benson" wrote: From: "Rene Stephenson" > We have a quick

FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Kenneth C. Benson
From: "Rene Stephenson" > OK, so an advisory notice of sorts (ReadMe file, popup, etc.) looks like our only option... Shouldn't be necessary. Your legal size document is no different--in terms of printing from Acrobat--than anyone else's. If your customers are getting

FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Combs, Richard
Rene Stephenson wrote: > OK, so an advisory notice of sorts (ReadMe file, popup, > etc.) looks like our only option... I have Acro 7, and in the Print dialog, Page Scaling defaults to Fit to Printer Margins. My default HP printer has unprintable margins of, IIRC, about .22 inches on the

FM crashes on print book to file (surprise! No?)

2007-05-31 Thread Rush, Jay
I posted a similar message to the framers, Acrobat, and InDesign lists. I had Frame 7.2 p158 and Acrobat 7.0.8 (not 7.0.9) installed for quite some time with no problems. I then upgraded my CS2 with CS3 upgrade, which came with Acrobat 8. I then got frequent, random Frame crashes when PDFing as

FM layout causing inconsistency when printing a PDF?

2007-05-31 Thread Rene Stephenson
Unfortunately, there's just too much info to get it on letter size paper and have it meet the minimum font specs...unless it goes to more than front-and-back, in which case I am told there are issues with it being included as a laminated item attached inside the cover of the product. We