Previously Martin Aspeli wrote:
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whit wrote:
Again, I propose Martin for this, if he is available.
at Martin: would you be willing to do this?
If there's one thing I do, it's yap on a lot. I'm happy to take on
this role if people want me to do it.
Previously Hanno Schlichting wrote:
I wouldn't want to make the decision on whether or not we are dropping
support for Zope 2.9 for Plone 3.0 but decide it based on the features
we might get this way. If we have a PLIP that requires Zope 2.10, so be
it ;)
Aren't the requirements more in
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replace me. At least I'll withhold from voting in order to not have
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setup an dummy bundle. That will get you the comment that the
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few weeks to get it all polished up.
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the illusion that I know more
and other people. I see the release manager role as mostly being about
making sure a good process is in place and being used. Most of the
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There are three plips (120, 124 and 149) which have a CMFPlone but no
bundle so I'm ignoring those.
121, 121 (both Bling) and 171 should be probably reviewed by the same
person and will warrant a lot of discussions - that's the bling vs
azax/kss decision.
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A reviewer will need to be be reasonably familiar with PAS plugins to be
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to
keep the KSS vs. Bling debate going in constructive direction.
People happy with that?
+1
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configuration).
Using sessions means that ZEO clusters will not work out of the box: the
session storage is not shared between ZEO clients. This needs to be explicitly
documented in release notes.
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-specific problem because of the
implementation there, or is it something with using this approach
inherently?
The Zope-specific bit is that the default Zope session setup does not (by
design) support Zeo clusters.
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iterate into production. Also, these
are tough use cases, which seems to be Tesdal's speciality :)
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'types.xml' if we
activate Poi as an extension profile, nor will it re-run
RichDocument's types.xml even if RichDocument was the previously
installed/activated profile?
Correct.
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the interfaces
need to be revisited. The interfaces from Ploneboard should be a good
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weeks away!
I'm thinking of posting a (expanded) version of this update to
plone-developers this weekend in order to keep everyone informed of our
status and get the message out there that people are actively working on
Plone 3.0. Any objections to that?
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Previously Rocky Burt wrote:
On Thu, 2006-14-09 at 19:29 +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
I figured a quick status update might be useful. At this moment we have
four reviews in:
PLIP 48 - session authentication
PLIP 121/122/171 - AZAX and Bling
PLIP 148 - CMF 2.1
feedback, and a delay this early in the
process is not a good sign for for the next couple of months.
If someone is not able to make the deadline please say so so we can try
to rearrange the workload.
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Previously Wichert Akkerman wrote:
I figured a quick status update might be useful
this is an initial review the conclusions are not final: they can be
further discussed and bundle owners are encouraged to improve their
bundles based on the feedback.
Once the first bundles have been merged we will be releasing a first
alpha release of Plone 3.0.
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is very impractical for that, and we need to support
storing comments in external systems like SQL which do not have a
concept of (folderish) types.
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workflows are a bit narrow :)
Other changes such as new workflows are very welcome as long as they are
not too invasive. But this was just a PLIP review list :)
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Previously Alexander Limi wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:53:06 -0700, Wichert Akkerman
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PLIP 168 - integrate iterate for checkin/checkout/staging
Viewing a locked front page gave an error until the page was checked
in.
I was working with a customer
the global content menu
PLIP 148 - Move to CMF 2.1
if we can get releases for all relevant products during next week we
just might be able to release 3.0-alpha1 in about 10 days.
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So here is my new vote:
-1 on Bling
+1 on Azax/KSS
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Previously Sidnei da Silva wrote:
So we need to fix that. We can surely provide a 'stream' adapter for
FileField. We should be able to change the transform API to make use
of streams.
For 3.5 I'ld love to see a whole new transform infrastructure :)
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to
make sure people are aware of the options and implications.
What do you think? We can have this ready for merge by the end of the
year if we get the +1.
+1 definitely
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is still needed
is a test to see if the enable_sitemap property is being handled
correctly by the sitemap.xml.gz view.
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With beta1 coming out soon I am wondering what the best moment would be
to branch off Plone 3.0 and open a new trunk. At the moment my
preference is to hold off until rc1 to make sure all attention stays
on 3.0. I would love some other opinions though.
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Previously Hanno Schlichting wrote:
Hi,
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Alex Clark wrote:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:27:18AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
I have been looking at the new workflows in the CMFPlone
aclrak-ui-sprint-workflow-integration branch and I'm afraid
Previously Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Martin Aspeli wrote:
I haven't tried the new behaviour yet, so I haven't made up my mind, but
there *was* discussion about this among the KSS people, Limi and others
nearby in Baarn. At the time, it sounded like a good idea at least,
re
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and someone should blog or write a tutorial about these changes
and how to utilize them.
Another +100
We need that for all changes, not just this one.
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be used outside of PlonePAS
specific PAS plugins, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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or happen to have better social skills. Personally I
think our current system based on PLIPs and a framework team to review
them works very well.
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it's too complex for the typical
user.
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panel: placeful workflow policies, content rules and type
restrictions. Workgroup systems like teamspace would also fit that
scheme very well.
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management'
permission which controls access to the advanced options feels nicer.
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Previously Alexander Limi wrote:
Hi,
Could we please remove PloneErrorReporting from Plone 3.0?
It's gone now.
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- Incremental KSS UI improvements, examples:
- Login should be in-place (digg.com for an example)
- Adding comments should give you a textfield inline
- etc...
3.0.x minor are for bug and security fixes, not feature changes.
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 03:45:56 -0700, Wichert Akkerman
3.0.x minor are for bug and security fixes, not feature changes.
So in 9 months, we can add comments without reloading the page, great...
Correct. That is the only way to do release and be able to promise
Previously Alexander Limi wrote:
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I'm wearing my release manager hat today and was looking at NuPlone. At
the moment there are still a lot things that do not work or look bad in
NuPlone (IE support, form styling
can have
their own interpretation of 'data' and 'kwargs'.
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So... what do you think?
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Previously Martin Aspeli wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Now that we have a new framework team it is time to start planning the
3.1 release. 3.1 is intended to be a low-risk upgrade which can follow
the 3.0 release quickly. The release cycle has to be short so we can
get things out to people
Previously Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Now that we have a new framework team it is time to start planning the
3.1 release. 3.1 is intended to be a low-risk upgrade which can follow
the 3.0 release quickly. The release cycle has to be short so we can
get things out to people. Here is my proposal
line for 3.2 right away as well?
we would need to know/decide there will be a 3.2 first, imho :)
I want to do a 3.2.
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goals of making 3.1 a simple, risk-free release with
only trivial migrations this timeline should be attainable.
Unless there are major objections I am going to make this official
tomorrow.
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Previously Andreas Zeidler wrote:
On Nov 27, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
so, also counting the other votes this makes it a full +5. therefore
— and this time as your official (but not yet announced) spokesperson
— your PLIP has been accepted for the 3.1 release. congrats
is not the right approach: it makes
it impossible to upgrade or uninstall the dependencee. I've modified
that in the code and updated the buildout.
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that
in svn but there was no new plone.app.portlets release for 3.0.4.
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GS rather than in QI.
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aren't we unifying all of these?
We don't load KSS for anonymous users due to its size.
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, but disabling it on
migration has a too big risk of breaking things. We can and should add
text to the release notes that say that cssQuery is now deprecated and
admins can try to disable it on their site to reduce their page size.
Better safe than sorry.
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Previously Alec Mitchell wrote:
On Dec 14, 2007 12:02 AM, Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Previously Alec Mitchell wrote:
On Dec 12, 2007 9:27 AM, Florian Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Framework Team!
This is the other PLIP I want to propose besides #213
I want to propose PLIP 220: http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap/220
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I want to propose PLIP 219: New site search implementation
http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap/219
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for 3.1, well, too bad. :(
I have a question about the marshallers mentioned: how do they relate to
the marshallers used by the GenericSetup content step? Unlike the WedDAV
marshallers those should be metadata-oriented, not file-based.
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Previously Andreas Zeidler wrote:
On Dec 16, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Martijn Pieters wrote:
On Dec 15, 2007 9:25 PM, Alexander Limi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I won't have internet connnection until Monday, so I hope it's OK
that I
get
it into a release yet.
based on that we'll keep feedmixer as a separate product.
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functionality for people who do have
KSS enabled.
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Jon Stahl wrote:
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Geir Bækholt · Jarn wrote:
On Dec 23, 2007, at 01:31 , Martin Aspeli wrote:
The PLIP also mentions a better RSS portlet. I won't be able to do
that, but rumour is that Wichert has done it in the feedmixer
portlet already. Is that correct? If not, do
Jon Stahl wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Jon Stahl wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Geir Bækholt · Jarn wrote:
On Dec 23, 2007, at 01:31 , Martin Aspeli wrote:
The PLIP also mentions a better RSS portlet. I won't be able to
do that, but rumour is that Wichert has done it in the
feedmixer
Jon Stahl wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Jon Stahl wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Geir Bækholt · Jarn wrote:
On Dec 23, 2007, at 01:31 , Martin Aspeli wrote:
The PLIP also mentions a better RSS portlet. I won't be able to
do that, but rumour is that Wichert has done it in the
feedmixer
Jon Stahl wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Jon Stahl wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Geir Bækholt · Jarn wrote:
On Dec 23, 2007, at 01:31 , Martin Aspeli wrote:
The PLIP also mentions a better RSS portlet. I won't be able to
do that, but rumour is that Wichert has done it in the
feedmixer
dependencies for a product are
available. If not it will mark the product as not-installable. To
demonstrate this I added a test product called 'BrokenProduct' to the
review bundle.
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Raphael Ritz wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
I have completed implementation of PLIP 195. Aside from a number of
cleanups and bugfixes there is one important change:
the GenericSetup setup tool now has a separate method to calculate
the dependency chain for a profile. CMFQuickInstaller has been
FCKeditor is but so far it's been OK to offer and use
them both on a site.
It is not borderline: we can't break things in 3.1 that work in Plone
3.0.
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. As such I would suggest that the
framework team only review it after all properly proposed PLIPs have
been reviewed and voted upon first and only if there is time remaining
to review it properly.
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The review deadline for all PLIPs is this Saturday, a mere 5 days from
now. Does anyone have an overview of the current review status?
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to translate, and increase our participation and
success rate with the upcoming translation push.
Comments?
Sounds fine to me. In general I'm favour of a policy where we have one
set of translations per major Plone release (major being 3.x, 4.x,
etc.).
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could have known that in advance and taken that into account
when making our schedule. We will need to find a method to prevent this
from happening again for Plone 3.2.
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complicated things. 3.0 slipped for
various reasons, and 3.1 which was completely designed to be simpler and
more predictable is already slipping by two weeks. As long as that
happens it is impossible to set useful schedules for releases beyond the
upcoming release.
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for some reason in buildouts. It has bitten me
many times now, but I didn't get to look into it yet.
I use 'bin/instance fg' a lot. In fact I use it 99% of the time when
doing development. So I'm quite sure it works fine in buildouts.
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the current non-jquery codebase, so they should not prevent a
merge.
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to do whatever, though.
Please take Danny's comments on that PLIP as guideline. On topics of
user interface I'll be mostly channeling input from him anyway.
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we merge it again.
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create a
new Plone site the text of the default frontpage is empty. After
reverting the changes to CMFPlone frontpage creation worked again.
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http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple
(so content types, tools, etc).
Or when you want the quickinstaller to be aware of your package.
Wichert.
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Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]It is simple to make things.
http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple
Thanks to all the hard work from the PLIP authors we have finished
merging all the PLIPs in the Plone 3.1 tree. A total of 16 PLIPs
have been merged:
#184: Include more/improved portlets (Jon Stahl)
#195: Support product dependencies (Wichert Akkerman)
#200: Kupu formlib widget (Martin
Previously Alec Mitchell wrote:
You missed #217 - Workflow lookup by Adaptation, which is merged.
Thanks, I've added it to the 3.1 release on plone.org and updated the
workflow state for the PLIP there as well.
Wichert.
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Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]It is simple to make things
of the content in places like search
results. Perhaps something to consider for Plone 4 :)
Wichert.
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Wichert Akkerman[EMAIL PROTECTED]It is simple to make things.
http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple
: it describes what the object is about. As such it does not
have business appearing in view templates, especially not in the way
it does now. That is a mistake Plone made long ago, and something we
should fix at some point.
Wichert.
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Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]It is simple to make
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Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]It is simple to make things.
http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple.
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