[Freedos-user] R ibm thinkpad 560 and freedos?
Hi all, Sent this Saturday when I joined, but it failed to reach the list. trying again. Greetings all, Before shouting yes, let me share my goals. I do have this laptop, and I desire outfitting it with freedos only, presently it has no operating system at all. I want to use a wireless pc card adapter, if possible? if so, can anyone recommend any brands for this? I understand there are some pcmci cards with dos drivers out there. otherwise though the setup will be rather simple. I do use a screen reader, so hope the soundblaster setup included will work as well. I intend adding a word processor, perhaps another program or two, but am mostly concerned for the Internet setup, since the machine is for the road. Is all this doable with freedos, and if so, which current install? Thanks, and if I need to provide any additional information let me know. Karen -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] R ibm thinkpad 560 and freedos?
Hi there, Sorry to be a touch late with my answer but I wanted to confirm the hardware meaning extra eyes. it is indeed a 560 series 2640-foe which seems to mean just a 560, there is no additional letter given. I visited the wifi and will hunt for one of these cards then. I am honestly not sure which is best. I will not use this laptop much, I do not think? and have a pcmci regular us robotics modem that would I guess predate the one you referenced, both being wired though. What is leaning me towards the wireless is having to skip a conference once because I would not have wired incident which was needful for the meeting. I take it though that your suggesting would let me use dsl, if I had it, in my house or where ever else there might be a dsl modem like those provided in a hotel? forgive if this seems like a mega newbie question, but I suppose there is a chance that I might not actually find a wireless network where I need it, making the Ethernet adapter perhaps a good thing to have? I suppose I could set up both and just change the adapter? Where would I find the one you suggested, since I would rather have both options than just one. Also, now that I know I could do wireless in theory, which freedos is the install I require? Thanks, Karen On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, uhan...@mainz-online.de wrote: Hi Karen I want to use a wireless pc card adapter, if possible? if so, can anyone recommend any brands for this? The answer depends of your hardware: - The Thinkpad 560 and 560E have a 16bit PCMCIA slot, which means there are only 802.11b network cards available with a bandwidth of 11 Mbps. - The 560X and 560Z have a 32bit cardbus slot, so they support the 802.11g standard with 54 Mbps bandwidth or even 802.11n with 300 Mbps. If you have a Thinkpad 560 or 560E, don't worry: ;-) As far as I know, FreeDOS only works with 802.11b adapters anyway. Look in our wiki for more info: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=WiFi If you could live with wired internet, I can recommend the 16bit D-Link DFE-670TXD PC-Card with a 10/100 Mbps ethernet adapter. It comes with packet drivers, ndis and odi drivers so you can do any networking, that FreeDOS can do. If you have a Thinkpad 560X or 560Z and need a fast wireless network connection, you might want to give Linux a try. regards Ulrich -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] podcatchers anyone?
Greetings, any firm dos podcast gathering programs? Something that can be incorporated into something like wattpcp if that makes sense? Very new at the concept of gathering them although I have produced radio for years. Karen -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] ot: turning up the pc speaker?
Hi all, Does anyone remember the dos command to accomplish this ? I am guessing it will work in both desktops and laptops? thanks, Karen -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ot: turning up the pc speaker?
Hi there, I should have been more specific. I am not talking about the sound card, but the PC speaker, built into the system itself. the hardware computer speaker, found on older machines more these days. Thanks, Karen On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Geraldo Netto wrote: Hi, Actually, afaik, it pretty much depends on your sound card or sound blaster emulation(?) i guess Robert may tell you more about sbmix: http://www.freedos.org/cgi-bin/lsm.cgi?mode=lsmlsm=sound/sbmix.lsm see Ya, Geraldo Sapere Aude = Non dvcor, dvco São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ msn: geraldo_b...@hotmail.com skype: geraldo-netto icq: 145-061-456 2010/1/12 Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net: Hi all, Does anyone remember the dos command to accomplish this ? I am guessing it will work in both desktops and laptops? thanks, Karen -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ot: turning up the pc speaker?
Hi, I use English, Canadian, and wish to turn up the internal speaker volume. I have seen enough to suggest that there here was some command for this. With some DOS screen readers, that speaker is used for indications. With some laptops, it can even be used for the speech output itself. Karen On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Alain Mouette wrote: Do you want to make music out of that speaker? It it is just to make some noise, there usualy are commands for that in various languages. What language do you use? Sound works on every machine that have an internal speaker, and usualy works on notebooks. But it is designed just for bips... Alain Karen Lewellen escreveu: Hi there, I should have been more specific. I am not talking about the sound card, but the PC speaker, built into the system itself. the hardware computer speaker, found on older machines more these days. Thanks, Karen On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Geraldo Netto wrote: Hi, Actually, afaik, it pretty much depends on your sound card or sound blaster emulation(?) i guess Robert may tell you more about sbmix: http://www.freedos.org/cgi-bin/lsm.cgi?mode=lsmlsm=sound/sbmix.lsm see Ya, Geraldo Sapere Aude = Non dvcor, dvco São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ msn: geraldo_b...@hotmail.com skype: geraldo-netto icq: 145-061-456 2010/1/12 Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net: Hi all, Does anyone remember the dos command to accomplish this ? I am guessing it will work in both desktops and laptops? thanks, Karen -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 delayed???
Hi, I cannot speak to much of this, but can tell you that the last edition of wordperfect for dos, 6.22, is still available, and dreadfully cheap if not free by now. If you have an interest let me know, and I can direct you to the person with the legal copies. If there is enough general interest here, I can post the information to the list. Karen On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Michael Robinson wrote: What are the goals at this point for Freedos 1.1? When might it actually be released? Freedos 1.0 definitely has some bugs still that could be fixed. Updating Freedos 1.0 is haphazard at best, especially with limited networking support and movement towards a newer updating standard. What are the long term goals for Freedos? I would like to see an effort to move from a free dos system to a free Windows 9x/Windows Millenium replacement. I would also like to see the abandonware issue get revisited as sadly most people who still use dos are going to want to use a software package that is commercially licensed but not legally obtainable. One area that I feel freedos at this point is weak in is networking. Windows 9x style networking essentially isn't available. I'm talking long file names, broad network card support, broad printer support, the works. I'm talking printer sharing. Another area that Freedos is weak in is word processing. You can download and obtain an illegal copy of Microsoft Word for dos or Windows and that will possibly work, but that is illegal. I would like to see an effort started to find out if Openoffice can be supported on a dos based platform. Can a dos based system running some kind of graphical user interface support the current crop of Java programs? Even a free word processor that is comparable to Wordperfect 6.0 dos ported to Freedos would be a great thing. So in short here are areas I want to see some emphasis placed on: 1) Create a Freedos compatible clone of Windows 9x/Windows Millenium. No, the ReactOS project isn't trying to do this and never will. 2) Make a best of Wordperfect/best of Word word processor that is GPLed available to Freedos users. 3) Abandonware. This issue isn't going away unless popular commercial programs are replaced with truly adequate free alternatives. 4) Fix the bugs as much as possible, this is critical for a 1.1 release. 5) Start a wiki on how to update Freedos and move towards people being able to set up a local Linux server to update their Freedos machines from. Perhaps a protocol is needed to keep these local update servers up to date. I'm thinking: ftp, rsync, http, or possibly something else. I for one would like to get updates on compact disc or DVD, the snail mail protocol. 6) Make a new installer that offers more advanced customization, but use open source tools to create it. 7) A lot of people don't use pop to access their email where Arachne doesn't support IMAP. Please someone address this. If Freedos had come out with a 1.0 release at the same time that MS-DOS 6.22 hit the scene, abandonware would be less of an issue. Unfortunately, most commercial dos programs that people want to use these days are very old, hard to obtain legally, or both. This is where pirateware sites come in and things get dicey unless there are free alternatives. People talk about Foxpro a lot, how about cloning it? It seems that there is a lot of emphasis on programming languages and some emphasis on hardware, but what about application software? Programming languages and hardware drivers constitute tools to build application software with. Is it time to make some decisions about how far Freedos should go concerning: word processing, web browsing, email, games, accounting software, etcetera? In 10 years time, the abandonware problem will probably get worse. I think the best way to address the abandonware issue is to steer people towards Linux for word processing, web browsing, general office productivity apps, and email. Beyond that, start cloning popular proprietary dos software. A project to go from HX Dos extender to a full blown dos compatible Windows compatible gui that improves over time, this could be a major catalyst pushing Freedos development going forward. -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev
[Freedos-user] internet radio or streaming audio?
Hi all, I have a wonderful dsl connection now in dos using ms dos 7.1, pure not under windows of course, and wattpc applications most notably ssh2021b which lets me telnet to my shell service shellworld.net Having dreadful success with doslynx, even though I use lynx itself on my shell service. I would love to have a dos based browser that can work with speech, that rules out Arachnid but wonder if the one thing I cannot use right now would be a possibility regardless? any way to access either Internet radio applications, or streaming audio links in dos at present Will stop my question there and wait, Karen -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS based browser
Hi jas, sure with card details tomorrow, want to find them exact again. I have a d'link Ethernet card which came with a packet driver for dos.Bare in mind, I am not running freedos. Instead I have a p3 with over 700 meg or ram running ms dos 71. the post package that someone put together around 2005 or so. Not windows. My modem was actually built in Australia not that it really matters. I have my Wattcp setup configured for DHCP, and the programs I am using ssh2021b for example make use of the wattcp 32 library. those dos ports will be great if they are configured to use either the 16 or 32 bit editions of wattcp. do those ports include streaming audio or Internet radio options? I saw hints in library documentation that such can be done. the executables would be worth a try of course. More details tomorrow, Karen On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, jasse...@itelefonica.com.br wrote: Karen Llewellen said: I have a wonderful dsl connection now in dos using ms dos 7.1, pure not under windows of course, and wattcp applications most notably ssh2021b which lets me telnet to my shell service shellworld.net Having dreadful success with doslynx, even though I use lynx itself on my shell service. I would love to have a dos based browser that can work with speech, that rules out Arachnid but wonder if the one thing I cannot use right now would be a possibility regardless? Why not lynx itself ? There is a port to DOS of version 2.8.5 at http://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/ and there used to be a port of version 2.8.4d14, which I find nicer (use it daily), at http://www.rene4u.com . I can send you the executable (NOT the sources, for I do not have them) of this if you are interested. Would you please give more info on your DSL setup: modem (or bridge) hardware, device drivers and connection details ? Best regards JAS -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] cd burning?
or DVD either for that matter? I have come across a few for creating iso images, even backups, but am wondering if others have ideas. Hearts desire would let me create real audio cds for play in a stand alone player, or at the least cds that will play in an mp3 type player. thoughts? Karen -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] cd burning?
Hi Eric, Yesdoscdroast is still around, but it too is command line. I prefer command line actually works better from a speech standpoint since one does not use a mouse with a screen reader. The guy who puts together doscdroast could not confirm how audio cds are burned which is why I decided to hunt. BTW, can you or should you load the driver Blair mentioned via ocnfig.sys or autoexec.bat Karen On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Blair, Karen, is the doscdroast suite still around? It was easier to use than all those command line things like mkisofs and cdrecord. Eric :-) PS: It also came with a number of 3rd party drivers afair. ...or DVD either for that matter? I have come across a few for creating iso images, even backups, but am wondering if others have ideas. Hearts desire would let me create real audio cds for play in a stand alone player, or at the least cds that will play in an mp3 type player. thoughts? There are tools available to burn cds. Both CDRecord and CDRKit are available for DOS and work as long as a driver called aspi.sys is installed. First you must create an ISO image, and then you can use a program like cdrecord to burn it. The same suite also includes a tool to burn audio cds I believe -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Fwd: Re: cd burning?]
Eric, Again surprising questions from a dos use. Still you are making such amazingly wrong assumptions, I wanted to insure no one else in this dos community was equally misinformed. IN context below. regarding the braille comment: Of course there is also a screen reader and screen magnifier etc. Not that such makes a difference. IN Linux depending on distribution etc., it can take say two or three screen readers to equal the functionality of one Dos based one. Ubintu especially has issues, unless of course you are likewise running windows. screen readers for windows are in the dictionary for richly problematical. My impression is that screen readers in dos are problematic because on one hand dos has only TSR lolololol! screen readers problematic in DOS? I am guessing you have never seen one? Never mind that tsrs even for dos programs have been moot since windows 3.0, with dos applications, including screen readers employing alternatives for task management. many words are used to describe speech in dos, problematic is far from one of them. one may use a speech program that stays resident, or you may use one that does not, some can be launched from a floppy, some have their own drivers built in meaning no additional resident program is required. but no full multitasking really? I have no trouble say running a CD in the background while I use wordperfect to create a document and go on line for research. NO idea what you personally mean by multitasking though. Which is the point. to define how a person uses technology by your idea of computing is nonsensical, I am not you and you are not me. Its why PCs are called personal computers, not Eric computers smiles. and on the other hand screen readers often only work with ISA sound cards and are almost always commercial. Is this still the situation or did I miss new products? Mercy, where on earth do you get this information? Eric, there have been serial and usb synthesizers to run screen readers for decades. Sure you can run them with an Isa card if you want, but you hardly have to do this. you can even use a soundblaster card. This is by no means whatsoever a necessity. In Linux however you have many many restrictions. some of those too only work with Isa cards, still not sure though why using Isa is a major hardship. Dell computers for example still sells machines that have these slots. You can by lots of motherboards that have them too. Worst yet though many Linux distros are limited to the sound card, poor quality speech limits on using sound for other reasons. Clearly you have never been within light years of real dos speech to harbor such ideas. Not sure what you mean by commercial, so will not attempt to correct this misconception yet. Karen Eric -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Fwd: Re: cd burning?]
Well, I can respect your choice as to interpretation. As Indicated, I was amazed to get Eric's assumption based questions, and not on list where such questions belonged. Given the spirit of exploration, I would have expected, are screen readers in Dos difficult? etc. I did not get this, nor even a request to discuss the matter privately. such as Karen I don't know much about screen readers in dos, can I ask you about this off list? I answered as I thought would be most educational, and honestly the suggestion that speech only runs in Isa when that could be corrected with a simple google did make me laugh. You, however, did just educate me. Your mention of firefox suggests that it can run in wind 3.1? If I mis-read that I apologize. Karen On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Michael C. Robinson wrote: Well Karen, I don't know much about screen readers and DOS let alone screen readers and Linux or screen readers and Windows. I feel after reading your response, especially the laugh out loud part, that you were rude and not in line with the spirit of don't turn this mailing list into what is seen on usenet. There is no commercially supported version of DOS that I know of. DOS as an OS cannot implement user based restrictions. DOS is simple, but there is a lack of drivers for a lot of the hardware that exists today where something as specific and rare as a screen reader... well I suspect there aren't very many DOS based screen readers. For those working on Freedos 1.1, please consider improving support for Windows 3.x in the short run and in the long run offer a free alternative that provides multitasking. Another thing, I should be able to modify the ISO for Freedos to incorporate post Freedos 1.1 updates as I have a feeling that updates will be coming out between the 1.1 and 2.0 release. At some point, those of us who have the processing power may want to run Firefox on top of Freedos. A multitasking GUI that the Firefox developers are willing to port Firefox to is needed. I want the focus to stay on DOS though for now. I hope Freedos 1.1 comes out soon ;-) -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Fwd: Re: cd burning?]
I almost forgot, there are about a dozen or so screen readers for dos. On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Michael C. Robinson wrote: Well Karen, I don't know much about screen readers and DOS let alone screen readers and Linux or screen readers and Windows. I feel after reading your response, especially the laugh out loud part, that you were rude and not in line with the spirit of don't turn this mailing list into what is seen on usenet. There is no commercially supported version of DOS that I know of. DOS as an OS cannot implement user based restrictions. DOS is simple, but there is a lack of drivers for a lot of the hardware that exists today where something as specific and rare as a screen reader... well I suspect there aren't very many DOS based screen readers. For those working on Freedos 1.1, please consider improving support for Windows 3.x in the short run and in the long run offer a free alternative that provides multitasking. Another thing, I should be able to modify the ISO for Freedos to incorporate post Freedos 1.1 updates as I have a feeling that updates will be coming out between the 1.1 and 2.0 release. At some point, those of us who have the processing power may want to run Firefox on top of Freedos. A multitasking GUI that the Firefox developers are willing to port Firefox to is needed. I want the focus to stay on DOS though for now. I hope Freedos 1.1 comes out soon ;-) -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Fwd: Re: cd burning?]
Hi Eric, it can take say two or three screen readers to equal the functionality of one Dos based one. Interesting, what makes the DOS ones so user friendly? A combination of things, ranging from the commercial companies working together, to individuals involved with dos programming themselves making sure that the programs worked, to the simplicity of dos itself. Enhanced Dr dos is still under development for example, and those involved still communicate with individuals blending operating system with speech. Some of those who wrote dos screen readers say worked for IBM which has its own screen reader etc. etc. screen readers for windows are in the dictionary for richly problematical. In what way? I remember them often being commercial and pricy. Which is why indeed I was talking more about Ubuntu, free system with free screenreaders. I am not sure why commercial would make the operating g system work any better or worse with speech. There are both commercial and free dos screen readers, both commercial and free windows ones too. However the degree of graphics, coupled with the stability of the program makes a major difference. No matter how much or how little you pay for the screen reader, it still must work and windows itself has issues. windows has many issues with stability, Microsoft was unwilling to work with the commercial producers of screen readers for the system. that ubinsu is free does not make it functional, again such has nothing to do with the nature of the software, the tasks involved etc. Each Linux distribution has good and bad points depending on the individual users requirements. Part of what may make ubincu look attractive to you is the fact that it makes windows based assumptions as to hardware, but that does not make them work in the way a real screen reader works. screen readers problematic in DOS? What I meant is that with multitasking, you can have one program running, a second collect the screen contents, a third transforming them into speech and a fourth sending that to your sound card or even USB sound device. In DOS, you have one program running and the screen reader TSR or driver has to do all other tasks. This means if you have a nice DOS version of, say, MBROLA or festival text to speech systems, you cannot use them in the background for your screen reader. That is because text to speech is not a screen reader. It is a tool that can do just that take plain text and make it speech. that a real screen reader does all the translation work is the benefit, not the liability, because it isnot a driver, it is an entire program. A screen reader does more than just read the screen, it monitors and speaks changes in the operating system itself, in content on the screen, speaks your key strokes, and responds to those strokes. You can configure the program to watch for certain tings at certain times, not at others, impact how much or how little is spoken at different times speak everything or nothing as needed. to have one program for each task is less efficient, when writing and writing well one program can do it all. one of the best free examples of this would be asap, there is a windows or was one too. There are many commercial ones, one would be vocal eyes from gw micro. you want the screen reader to be solid and reliable, using many programs for this does not insure consistent performance. You want to know your screen reader will functionally perfectly no matter what program you are running, or what you are doing. Some windows screen readers try to make use of your idea, and involve text to speech as well...which is why they are poor in functionality. I had a friend write me recently to tell me that after 14 computers running windows with speech they were going back to dos, they are using enhanced Dr dos now in fact. Instead, you can only use the voice system which is built into the screen reader already, if any. Again more confusion. A screen reader is the program, the synthesizer is the voice. and since you want your speech to be reliable, you want that voice to be the same. good screen readers support many many different synthesizers, many different types of voices. Never mind that tsrs even for dos programs have been moot since windows 3.0, with dos applications, including screen readers employing alternatives for task management. I agree that with Windows 3.0 you can indeed run several things more or less at the same time and I even once had voice input and output software for Win 3 which came with my Soundblaster AWE32 but I would not call that DOS voice software then. no, but interestingly one free dos screen reader, tiny talk makes use of that structure in the soundblaster to create a real screen reader. I think where you are confused is in just what a screen reader does. at its best its in the background rendering everything into speech. you do not want
Re: [Freedos-user] more about screen readers
Eric, I really have not read this, very little time. going to keep this simple. If you want to search for information on any topic, including screen readers and synthesizes, try google. Second, you say that you disagree with the concept of a screen reader and synthesizer serving an all in one purpose? how many years have you used one? If the answer is zero, then you may lack the first hand experience to understand this, no offense. Yes, i personally like hardware synthesizers, but I make no efforts to apply my personal tastes to another person's computing. Since every single aspect of this is individual, it serves no one to say look for a choice pattern. My comment regarding freedos developers had to do with your network and sound concern, has nothing to do with screen readers or synthesizers, I have no trouble whatsoever networking in dos, so that point may have been mis directed. Cost and quality are not always equal, especially where computing is concerned. after all Linux as a system has come a very long way rooted in the effort of volunteers. lastly in general operating systems like freedos do not come bundeled with a screen reader, in fact in apple's case, its not a bundel its built into the os itself. Good luck with your research on this, if you choose to explore it further. Karent On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Karen, no idea whether price effects quality in screen readers, but of course it would be bad to spend a lot for a mediocre tool. About Ubuntu: I know that most people use the fancy Gnome graphics but as any Linux, Ubuntu also has many programs which work in plain text mode, which should be nice for screenreaders. I disagree about the benefit of all in one screen readers: If a screen reader can send text to a separate text to speech tool with good voice quality, why not use that? I mean why would a text to speech task be worse than built in text to speech or hardware text to speech? You seem to prefer the hardware way. Channeling the process through many hands can be both good and bad - it can give each hand the work that it can do best, but it can also cause extra work for the passing on of data between hands. By multitasking I meant the ability to run several programs more or less at the same time, which can be useful in screen reader context because many pieces of software can contribute to one work. It would indeed be interesting to know whether there are DOS screen readers which use AC97 or HDA sound but I would not know where to search for them. Yet it is good to know that at least external USB text to speech synthesizers are supported by DOS screen readers. What do you mean by getting freedos to work? It already does work as a DOS but it does not come bundled with a screen reader... I understand if people are unhappy with Windows and screen readers for it, but which tasks would they be doing in DOS? Can DOS actually handle those? The strength of DOS is to be small and simple, so you should not expect for example a firefox and openoffice for DOS. Why do you insist that a real screen reader must use text to speech hardware instead of a normal soundcard? My background of text mode screen reading support in a Linux is about brltty. This supports both Braille and external and software text to speech. Given that Linux also has text mode web browsers and word processors, I get the impression that one software is enough. However, you are right that things get more complicated if you want voice output for graphical software because not all programs will be equally screen reader friendly there. Eric -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more about screen readers
This is exactly my point. grant Eric is confusing screen readers with speech, but the experience of blindness is not a uniform thing at all. no more than vision is. People have personal preferences based on their individual desires and goals. Your friend is running lord 3 of the best, especially hal's setup for screen reading, if you need Windows. some prefer a mac, frankly I know some who experience blindness that have 3 or four computers to manage the tasks. for some the command line aspects of Linux work for some its dos. there is no one size fits all solution, any more than there is a one size fits all person experiencing blindness. Or any other aspect of the human experience for that matter. No one can say what works best for anybody but themselves, which is why I am careful to state that my preferences are. for. me. and no one else. Karen On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Liam Proven wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net wrote: Hi all, You would be surprised :) The only blind person I know is actually a big fan of DOS (however, I don't really know whether he uses MSDOS, FreeDOS or any other DOS). For a blind person, even tasks which sounds trivial to us are important. For example: write a note in a text file. Send an email. listen to some music. Set an alarm clock which would ring at a given time. Use a calculator. read a text ebook, etc... (he was using a hardware screenreader, which was receiving some commands from a DOS TSR via the serial link). He told me exactly the same thing that Karen is telling us now: DOS is the *easiest* (!) system to use for a blind. This may be the case, but as it happens, my closest friend is completely blind and is also a techie and computer hobbyist. He runs Win7 64-bit on a 4-way Core i7-920 with 12GB of RAM, using the HAL screenreader from Dolphin Systems here in the UK. He gave his old PC to me it is the one I'm typing on - a dual-core AMD Athlon XP 4800+ which used to run XP. He hates DOS and command lines in general and says that his screenreaders cope very badly with them. In addition to HAL, he uses JAWS, NVDA and WindowEyes occasionally, and Talkx on his mobile phone, a Symbian smartphone. Modern screenreaders cope pretty well with Windows and are rather better than Mac ones, in fact. Q.v. http://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/18605.html (Possibly my most-widely-read blogpost ever.) I'm not saying there's anything wrong with DOS, but one could do an awful lot more with a Linux machine running Orca. There are some extremely powerful and mature command-line and text-mode tools on Linux for email (mutt), chat (Finch) and so on, some decent web browsers (links, w3m), and sophisticated file-transfer tools and so on. The Orca screenreader comes free with Ubuntu, which is itself also 100% free, and it will run fairly well on a low-end PC such as a Pentium 3. As my mate has taught me, the Windows solution is far preferable and does an awful lot more, but it costs £1500 or so in software to achieve what Ubuntu does for free. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more about screen readers
Eric, first, with all due respect. until you are using these tools in a situation that mirrors the varied ones by those experiencing vision loss, you cannot even guess at this. as for my interest in what I would want to see improved in freedos, have a look at enhanced Dr dos and you will get close. That and the kind of solid stability I enjoy in editions of dos that do not require upgrades with frequency. I chose ms dos 7.1 for that reason, even though not under development. I wish you success with *your own* continued exploration of what you think are screen readers. this is not something you try once as an experiment, its something, that due to your visual experience you work with for weeks or months or years to even begin to manage...in my opinion of course. The suggesting that someone could put on a blindfold play with some applications and be 100% solid in understanding how any aspect of that experience is like, let alone just screen readers and speech demonstrates why it can take so long for access to be universal grin. Karen On Fri, 9 Apr 2010, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Karen, while I have not used any screen reader, I have used both text to speech (to announce incoming mail) and written a tool to forward an extract of a DOS or Linux text screen to a 4 by 20 LCD display, navigated by buttons on the LCD. The latter arguably has some similarity to a screenreader. I also played with Orca in Linux, but given my experience with reading Brltty sources (once discussed the possibilty to port it to DOS for a while with somebody) I think I do have some idea on how those things interact with the user, although again only in text mode. Last but not least we had some Braille and screen reader enabled systems at university. In none of those contexts I got the impression that it would affect the user experience whether the voice output is generated by hardware, by the screenreader itself or by a separate text to screen software feed by the reader. My comment about DOS was mostly related to the idea that if things are modular, you are more flexible. For example I have an ancient text to speech TSR which, with patches, can still work on modern hardware. It uses the PC speaker, no soundcard. It can only do monotonous, English output. It is monolithical, so it cannot drive modern soundcards nor change voice and of course is not even a screen reader. To get back to the original topic, which aspects of DOS, EDR DOS and Freedos would you like to be improved? Eric PS: I also have a SP0256 chip somewhere which does hardware text to speech. To be more exact, phonemes to speech. Also has the problem that it only can do one English voice, while for example the free MBROLA software is much more flexible. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Help: USB drivers for USB mass storage devices
have you checked the enhanced Dr dos pages? I know they have them, and are actively seeking those networking this way for test drives. Karen On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Lee Eric wrote: Hi, Thanks all. Anyway, I know there is a driver named duse. How about this one? Regards, Eric On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Christian Masloch c...@bttr-software.de wrote: Is there any good USB drivers for USB mass storage like USB flash disk? I hope the driver can support USB 2.0. There's currently two drivers under development: Georg Potthast's DOSUSB supports UHCI, OHCI (USB 1.x) and EHCI (USB 2.0) controllers and comes with some drivers (e.g. a disk driver, IIRC a CONFIG.SYS device driver): http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb A demo version (don't know about limitations) is available for free. Otherwise, see this site for licence/prices: http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb/licencen.htm Bret Johnson's USBDOS package currently includes support for UHCI (some USB 1.x) controllers only. This means it won't work with OHCI (other USB 1.x) controllers, and will only work at USB 1.x speeds with EHCI (USB 2.0) controllers if they have a companion UHCI controller. Most EHCI controllers either have UHCI or OHCI companion controllers. It comes with a disk driver TSR and some others. The programs and their entire source code is available free under a simple Copyleft-license (i.e. derivative programs have to use the same license) from Bret's pages: http://bretjohnson.us/ Regards, Christian -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Make an app they can't live without Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Make an app they can't live without Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Make an app they can't live without Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] universal cd drivers?
Happy new year to all, quick question given the usual wisdom here. I have grabbed and am sort of successfully using cdrtools, most particularly cdrecord which can indeed create cds playable in standard non computer sound equipment. The situation though is that I cannot load the drivers required for cdrecord and the standard cd driver that comes in ms dos 7.1 at the same time. When we had the cd burning discussion, others suggested that I might require a universal driver. this seems to be the case. so, can anyone point me in the direction of a few of these? Thanks in advance, Karen -- Gaining the trust of online customers is vital for the success of any company that requires sensitive data to be transmitted over the Web. Learn how to best implement a security strategy that keeps consumers' information secure and instills the confidence they need to proceed with transactions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dhcp
This may be a more basic question, but what format is the file in? Is it something that can be read across platforms, say audio? The file structures can differ from operating systems. the old / new reference is I think? to copy the old file name into the new one, although I may not be correct here. Karen On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, James Collins wrote: The part of the email that goes from where? I don't have in my email. I have a folder on my desktop on my MacBook pro that I want to copy into freedos. I copied the folder to an external USB floppy on my laptop. But freedos isn't recognizing it. I was thinking that this might be a virtualbox issue rather than freedos. I am going to try and figure out how I can get freedos to recognize my floppy drive. Is there a way to have freedos recognize files on my hard drive? Like can I copy files from my macs hard drive into freedos? The part of the email c:\old etc. I dont understand? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 1/12/11, James Collins james.collin...@yahoo.com wrote: I am wondering how to get a file I downloaded into freedos? Is there away in freedos to copy a folder into freedos? What I was going to do was edit the mTCP configuration file put it on my c:\ drive and then run dhcp? But I don't know how to get the folder into my freedos c drive? From where? ren c:\old c:\new should work. Or across different drives you probably have to do move d:\old c:\new. Or just xcopy /s d:\old c:\new (doesn't delete d:\old\*.*). Beware the move doesn't delete +r bug. (A decent file manager like Doszip or NDN helps a lot here.) Nobody mentioned it yet, but I think the real problem is that the FD 1.0 .ISO had broken network detection. Or at least that's what I heard. I don't understand networking at all, and most of my hardware seems to always lack drivers, so I never bothered trying in FreeDOS (and have troubles even with more popular OSes, yuck). -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dhcp
hi! Thanks for this as it answers the usb question I posed a while back. Karen On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On 1/12/11, James Collins james.collin...@yahoo.com wrote: The part of the email that goes from where? I don't have in my email. I have a folder on my desktop on my MacBook pro that I want to copy into freedos. I copied the folder to an external USB floppy on my laptop. But freedos isn't recognizing it. FreeDOS doesn't directly support USB, even at the best of times. You need a separate driver, e.g. http://www.bretjohnson.us ... but I'm not sure that'll work for your Mac. Aren't Macs (even x86 ones) lacking a BIOS? EFI or whatnot, but it can fake it for Windows (BootCamp)? I was thinking that this might be a virtualbox issue rather than freedos. The only way to share files in VirtualBox from host to DOS is (I think) MS SHARE networking. Even if I knew what license that was (I don't) or where to get it, I wouldn't know how to use it anyways, and it sounds ungodly difficult (for me). So I never use that (sorry!). I am going to try and figure out how I can get freedos to recognize my floppy drive. It recognizes normal PC floppy drives, even USB ones, but your Mac is probably too different (without some kind of BIOS, hopefully BootCamp provides one, I dunno). Is there a way to have freedos recognize files on my hard drive? Like can I copy files from my macs hard drive into freedos? FreeDOS only reads and understands FAT12/16/32, which your Mac almost certainly doesn't use by default (HFS?). Maybe you could install mtools. The part of the email c:\old etc. I dont understand? Sorry, I missed the obvious problem that you're using a Mac. Traditionally Macs have been ten thousand percent incompatible with normal PCs (Wintel), but even now running x86, there's almost no chance. I say almost because maybe?? someone somewhere figured out a way. And BootCamp does run Windows, so there's a glimmer of hope, but not much. Sorry if this isn't much help. I just want you to be aware that you may be barking up the wrong tree. :-/ You might be stuck to emulation (VirtualBox, QEMU, DOSBox) only, which is sad (and slow) when the underlying processor is the same. Linux has some Mac support (surprisingly), perhaps you can run that + DOSEMU. I dunno, this is all horrible advice, sorry, just grasping at straws. -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] a creative situation?
Or perhaps not depending on how often others deal with this. Will try to ask the question clearly enough. When I travel I use an IBM thinkpad 560, in fact I asked about things here before it was all configured. Recently I upgraded my modem / Ethernet card to a 3c562. My intention is to use the same setup I use on my desktop for Ethernet work, fining the drivers was no issue, and the ssh2021b package will more than work at least allowing me to TELNET to my shell service. I am presently running dos 6.22 on this laptop, but will switch to freedos if it solves the situation I am about to describe. When one is traveling one must agree to the terms of service involved in using say a hotel's Ethernet setup. to do this, one needs a browser package etc. I know there is a solution for this, aside from Arachnid, there should be one for lynx, that gives you the functional browser for networking capabilities. Referenced on the pages of doslynx, are different dos packages that give you what you need, I believe? basically ppp/ip, with a very text focused browser. Arachnid is out for me, will not work with a screen reading package. However are ther other options giving you a small simple ppp/ip package with a dos browser for this goal? anyone tried ebrowse for example? I think the more current editions are Linux focused, but there was a dos one at one time. If I have failed to ask the question clearly enough, let me know. thanks, Karen -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] a creative situation?
I agree, someone who can speak to dos browsers please? most of the other programs I use, say for word processing, and the like do not run in Linux, otherwise I would not have asked my specific question. Again, the goal is to clear the permissions process one goes through when connecting via Ethernet or wireless to a public Internet setup. much of this post is not on point, but my original question is here I am sure. Karen On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Karen, you have MS DOS on your IBM Thinkpad 560 with 3c562 network card. You use SSH2DOS and plan to use any DOS web browser like Arachne, Lynx or similar. You need something which works with your screen reader software. Of course you could use Linux with Brltty which several mainstream distros support by default. For all browsers, it does not make a real difference whether you use MS DOS or use FreeDOS. However, FreeDOS has better support for modern hardware and is of course free software. Also, MS no longer supports DOS. As you use a network card, browsers like Arachne will only need a packet driver. They use libraries like WATTCP / WATT32 and do their own DHCP setup as far as I remember so no separate PPP/IP package should be necessary. I do not know about ebrowse. Some Linux text oriented browsers like w3m, links or elinks may be available in DOS ports. Would be nice to have somebody else say a few words about DOS text web browsers in this thread who has experience with them. Regards, Eric PS: Brltty can also drive speech software, no Braille necessary. -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] a creative situation?
Now that is a fine suggestion. I use links as well, but on a shell service which is has compiled it with spider monkey to increase the java script friendly nature. going to google for it too, but if you can point me to a complete packaging of links for dos I would be thrilled. that should do the trick nicely I think. thanks again, Karen On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: (from Eric:) Would be nice to have somebody else say a few words about DOS text web browsers in this thread who has experience with them. I can speak as a user. I use three DOS text web browsers: - Lynx - DOSLynx (Fred C. Macall, 2010) - Links (2.1pre36) They all work fine, but I prefer Links because it is FDAPM-aware. Typically, the processor will remain idle for over 95% of the time, which I find cool, literally and metaphorically. Marcos -- Marcos Favero Florence de Barros Brazil -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] a creative situation?
Hi, I may misspell this, but when I require the java script friendly edition of links, I TELNET via ssh telnet in dos to a shell service called shellworld. www.shellworld.net This service itself is rooted in spelling freebs. Sorry its not in front of me. Shellworld also keeps elinks up to date as well as lynx. I believe when I was asking in early 2010, I was seeking cards likely for both my desktop and laptop, and both now found. I have a fine dsl arrangement in dos, and will play around with using links in this setting, since someone kindly sent me a copy. I likewise do not anticipate any laptop issues ow. Hope this is clear, Karen On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Jose Antonio Senna wrote: Karen Llewelen wrote: I use links as well, but on a shell service which is has compiled it with spider monkey to increase the java script friendly nature. Not under DOS, it seems. Weren't you who did post very similar questions on this list in February 2010 ? I would like to know how did you find the discussion then. Marcos Favero wrote: I can speak as a user. I use three DOS text web browsers: - Lynx - DOSLynx (Fred C. Macall, 2010) - Links (2.1pre36) They all work fine, but I prefer Links because it is FDAPM-aware. Does Links for DOS nowadays support Javascript ? Last time I looked, it did not. Regards JAS . -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] a creative situation?
I should add one more point. I cannot say if the graphical edition of links, called glinks works in dos, but it does exist. I have no first hand experience with if it functions say with the dos gui or not. As shared my java script work with links is at a service that uses a different operating system. Karen On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: (Jose Antonio Senna:) Does Links for DOS nowadays support Javascript ? Last time I looked, it did not. The version I have -- Links 2.1pre36 -- does not support Javascript as far as I know. Marcos -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] some extra usb dos drivers, was ] Problem with USB keyboard in some computers
Hi all, This thread reminded me that I intended sharing a recent find. Fully realizing you may know of it already though lol. I am using this set of usb drivers. www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm I cannot speak to how well it might address the keyboard issue. however by combining this with one of Bret's tools I not only have workable ports for external media, but usb printing from dos as well. Hope this is helpful, Karen -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Word processing
Hi just saw this. Not sure how you define word processing, but one can still find wordperfect. if you ever owned a copy, you can get the last officially dos editions. The added benefit is that drivers are still updated, meaning you can use a new printer with the program. Karen On Thu, 5 May 2011, Marco Achury wrote: Is available any new wordprocessor for DOS? On this old talk recommend msword for DOS (free as free beer) http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/free-word-processor/16280.html -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury -- vRanger cuts backup time in half-while increasing security. With the market-leading solution for virtual backup and recovery, you get blazing-fast, flexible, and affordable data protection. Download your free trial now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-d2dcopy1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Word processing
should have read the rest of the offerings. I am thinking of wp 6.2, and yes its the best word processer ever created! Karen On Fri, 6 May 2011, Jim Lemon wrote: On 05/06/2011 06:43 AM, Marco Achury wrote: Is available any new wordprocessor for DOS? On this old talk recommend msword for DOS (free as free beer) http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/free-word-processor/16280.html Hi Marco, There are several sites for downloading WordPerfect 4.2, the best DOS word processor I ever used. http://vetusware.com/download/WordPerfect%204.2/?id=3635 Jim -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- vRanger cuts backup time in half-while increasing security. With the market-leading solution for virtual backup and recovery, you get blazing-fast, flexible, and affordable data protection. Download your free trial now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-d2dcopy1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Word processing
Again, the programs are still to be had. what is more, there are ways to use them, even under more recent editions of windows. Will confirm my contact for getting them, and share. Karen On Fri, 6 May 2011, Santiago Almenara wrote: WP5.1 was my first word processor, it came with my first PC. Blank color for bold letters and highlighted text for underlining it was enough for my bw printer!!! WP6.1 for DOS was also my first experience with WYSWYG software but way too powerful for my then-486. So I stayed with WP5.1 until Word 95. The funny part is that I feel I used more WP5.1 in those two years that the 4-year-old office 2007 I use at work now. Sorry for this OT but the post made me remember my early days with PC's Sent from my iPhone On 06/05/2011, at 09:32, David C. Kerber dker...@warrenrogersassociates.com wrote: WordPerfect 5.1 was even better, but took a lot more computer power. -Original Message- From: Jim Lemon [mailto:j...@bitwrit.com.au] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:06 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Word processing On 05/06/2011 06:43 AM, Marco Achury wrote: Is available any new wordprocessor for DOS? On this old talk recommend msword for DOS (free as free beer) http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/free-word-processor/16280.html Hi Marco, There are several sites for downloading WordPerfect 4.2, the best DOS word processor I ever used. http://vetusware.com/download/WordPerfect%204.2/?id=3635 Jim -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- vRanger cuts backup time in half-while increasing security. With the market-leading solution for virtual backup and recovery, you get blazing-fast, flexible, and affordable data protection. Download your free trial now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-d2dcopy1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] long shot but, youtube converter?
And yet, I have discovered dos programs for many things I did not expect. either a simple command line program that converts say youtube fine links to mp3 or something. better still a site that does the job while working with lynx, e-links, or links. Thanks in advance Karen -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] lynx and networking?
I recall there was some discussion about this a little while back, but did not follow the conclusion. I have the network setup just fine, the interest is creating a watpcp.cfg file that lets lynx be fine. better still a package that incorporates this, so I can input what I require in the file. Thanks, Karen -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] freedos and online audio?
Hi folks, Granted I am not using freedos so to speak, but realize that many dos tools cross editions. What tools are people using in freedos to experience streaming audio, or audio playback features, like those included after tele-simanars? Thanks, Karen -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Packet Driver
Just tossing in my two cents, but you require the dos driver for the card, and there should be no reason why it will not work in freedos as they do in other editions of dos. I have one in my desktop and another in my laptop running pure dos and using a driver from the card manufacturer, dlink in the first case com3 in the second. the wireless aspect might make a difference though? both of mine are for wired setups. Karen On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Thomas D. Dean wrote: I want to install WATTCP on my FreeDOS system. I have a Linksys Wireless-G Notebook Adapter Model WPC54G Ver. 3.1 I have wat2001b.zip. I think I need a packet driver. Correct? Where may I find a driver for FreeDOS? Google returns too many results to be meaningful. tomdean -- AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on Lean Startup Secrets Revealed. This video shows you how to validate your ideas, optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on Lean Startup Secrets Revealed. This video shows you how to validate your ideas, optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] dos backups in the 21st century?
A question mainly for those who use dos alone and purely on your machines. Given the size of hard rives, using trusty pkip to create a set of backup discs is well not possible. The nice thing about functional usb drivers is of course that one can attach an external drive for this, and I guess? still use pkzip for the purpose? I understand one can make an image too in dos. After having a major hard drive scare today though, and with my use of a dsl modem to a network having a a touch worried about security too, I am asking how you do large backup work yourself now? say 3 gig or so? Thanks, Karen -- uberSVN's rich system and user administration capabilities and model configuration take the hassle out of deploying and managing Subversion and the tools developers use with it. Learn more about uberSVN and get a free download at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/wandisco-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos backups in the 21st century?
Hi, its okay. let me be more clear. I *only* use dos, it is the *only* os to which I have access for this purpose. because I do a great deal of work from this machine, years worth of data, audio production projects and the like I desire a method to back up both of my dos drives safely that preserves the data. not just files, entire drives. In this case, although they are not full this means two 20 gig drives. Yes I realize 3 gig is not large any more, but I am not sure the largest drive capacitor for ms dos 7.1 which I run. I am guessing indeed getting a very large external drive and creating partitions to represent my backup drive storage space. I will hunt for Norton ghost, I have a copy of the last dos that I knew of edition of norton utilities, and disk doctor is sensational. booting another os would not give me a place to put the files, nor a regular way to upgrade the backup I create. You were helpful, you told me of program that may do the trick, and in Norton which I really like in general. Thanks for answering my question, its the first reply I have gotten. Karen On Tue, 16 Aug 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: A question mainly for those who use dos alone and purely on your machines. Given the size of hard rives, using trusty pkzip to create a set of backup discs is well not possible. I forget, what are the limits for the .ZIP format, 65000 files? You could just use multiple archives (or a different format). But yeah, .ZIP isn't really meant for backups (is it???). The nice thing about functional usb drivers is of course that one can attach an external drive for this, and I guess? still use pkzip for the purpose? Presumably some (most?) BIOSes will emulate a USB hard drive for you anyways, if you plug it in before bootup. I understand one can make an image too in dos. Probably, yes, though I've never personally tried. After having a major hard drive scare today though, and with my use of a dsl modem to a network having a a touch worried about security too, I am asking how you do large backup work yourself now? say 3 gig or so? 3 GB isn't exactly large anymore. They (e.g. Dell) already advertize 3 TB disks for like $119US or whatever. 3 GB should be easy (in theory). I don't really understand the question (and of course am the worst person to ask). Are you trying to backup the entire DOS partition (3 GB) to network or just to external drive or all of the above or ... ? Symantec (Norton) Ghost allegedly used to have a DOS version. Not sure if the latest still has it, even in an /old/ subdir. That always sounded like the best way to do it, and CWS always seems to swear by it. Otherwise you're probably going to be told, Boot a Linux live CD, use their tools. Even dd could probably be used, but I wouldn't recommend that except in a pinch. Personally, I'd probably just burn the files to DVD-RW from within a modern OS, esp. if you only need to backup 3 GB. (Sorry if this isn't as helpful as I'd like.) -- Get a FREE DOWNLOAD! and learn more about uberSVN rich system, user administration capabilities and model configuration. Take the hassle out of deploying and managing Subversion and the tools developers use with it. http://p.sf.net/sfu/wandisco-d2d-2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Get a FREE DOWNLOAD! and learn more about uberSVN rich system, user administration capabilities and model configuration. Take the hassle out of deploying and managing Subversion and the tools developers use with it. http://p.sf.net/sfu/wandisco-d2d-2___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Serial port
Hi, If I followed all this, I would start by checking the usb aspect itself. likewise, just as an extra test, can you connect the synthesizer directly to your box, as in is there a serial port working on the box running freedos? that too would help isolate the problem. if it works fine without the usb factor, the issue is with usb itself. hth, Karen On Wed, 7 Sep 2011, James Collins wrote: Hello, I have an external speech synthesizer that I have been fooling around with on my host os. Mac os x 10.7 lion. In order to use the synthesizer on my mac I had to get a usb2serial adaptor and install it's driver. The driver is based off of the ftdi chipset. My usb2serial adaptor is located at /dev/cu.usbserial-FTKVMAFF on my mac. I have used this path to send text to my synthesizer. I have virtualbox and freedos running as a guest os. There was a utilities disk that came with the synthesizer, and I have copied some programs to my freedos c drive. I wanted to run some of the utilities programs so I hooked up my speech synthesizer connected to my MacBook pro laptop via a USB port, I am using my usb2serial adaptor. And I have my synthesizer turned on. There is a test program included with the utilities. And when I run it it says my synthesizer is not working properly. I have a doubletalk lt external synthesizer. And like I said I verified that it is working. In the manual for the synthesizer it says, that you pro ally don't need to install any additional software. Although there are some special drivers like for windows 98. I am wondering how to set up my device in virtualbox to work with freedos? I have looked in the settings for my guest os, freedos. I see under ports a section on serial ports, and also a section on USB. But I don't know which would relate to my external speech synthesizer. I did click on the little USB icon when freedos was running and my usb2serial device was listed but when I checked it a virtualbox window popped up saying something about an error. I think it referred to ioctl but I can get more info on the exact error. Anyway, I just wondered if anyone had any info or help on getting my speech synthesizer working? Sent from my iPhone -- Using storage to extend the benefits of virtualization and iSCSI Virtualization increases hardware utilization and delivers a new level of agility. Learn what those decisions are and how to modernize your storage and backup environments for virtualization. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51434361/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Using storage to extend the benefits of virtualization and iSCSI Virtualization increases hardware utilization and delivers a new level of agility. Learn what those decisions are and how to modernize your storage and backup environments for virtualization. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51434361/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
At the risk of seeming like a baby, may I have a direct link? I did try to google, but the download instructions hinted at needing to build, so I felt I might not have found the most recent page. Looking forward to learning if it will work with my screen reader! Karen On Fri, 18 Nov 2011, nospam wrote: Hi Jim, as you can see on the download link it is the first beta version I released. You can surf the web as you can see on the screenshot but there are a couple of issues I am currently working on. These are mentioned in the User Guide. Georg - Original Message - From: jhall jh...@freedos.org To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS I have spotty Internet service right now (traveling, again) so I may have to wait until tomorrow to post this on the FreeDOS web site. Sounds exciting! On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros fav...@mpcnet.com.br wrote: Hi Georg, The Dillo web browser has been ported to DOS now. This came as a complete surprise to me. Thanks very much! This is great news for us DOS users. Dillo worked immediately in my Pentium 166 under FreeDOS. Marcos -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
The only part of this I will answer is the last, No none of that is true for the screen reader. On Sat, 19 Nov 2011, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Karen, At the risk of seeming like a baby, may I have a direct link? www.bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=10797page=0order=timecategory=0 mentions at least two builds: http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DilloDos-beta1-SFN.zip and http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DilloDos-beta1.zip The latter only works if DOSLFN is loaded. Also, the thread in the forum mentions several times that people have to read the documentation - there are a few settings related things and a few limitations that are important to know about, for example that you cannot yet download files with DOS Dillo. No version of Dillo yet fully supports Javascript. Also, no background images and plugins are supported. Linux / Windows versions support HTTPS SSL, but I think that is not yet part of the DOS version. All versions of Dillo can support images in PNG, JPG and GIF (depending on libraries) and limited CSS and (depending on libraries?) TTF (true type fonts). Dillo is a lightweight and relatively portable browser and Georg ported the FLTK graphics toolkit which Dillo uses a while ago already which made him able to now port Dillo :-) Looking forward to learning if it will work with my screen reader! To be honest, I somehow doubt that it would - while Dillo is lightweight, it features more fancy graphics than Arachne... To support your screenreader, it would probably have to use plain text or send the text to some API of your screenreader software, right? Of course the latter would be interesting, maybe the API is easy and Georg would be able to help you? Regards, Eric -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] ew lynx for dos.
Hi all, Yes, that subject line is correct. While the current edition of lynx, circle June 2011 or so is out there, a new compile for Dos was not...until this morning. Doug has contacted me about testing the new package before he releases it. I told him privately that some had expressed interest in lynx for dos lately and that I would see if I could fine a couple of people running freedos strictly for example, to test this package. I do not wish to share the private link with the entire list. But will pick a few people who write me privately for this goal. If you are running freedos only, not under a windows structure, and have an interest in doing a test let me know off list. some details about your setup would be welcome as well. someone else is testing it from a different dos platform than my own, I use ms dos 7.1. Doug has tested it already under Windows 7. Thanks for your interest, Karen -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ew lynx for dos.
while I got an extra copy of this I mm guessing it has nothing to do with my on posting, since the package I referenced is not publicly available yet. Karen On Thu, 15 Dec 2011, dos386 wrote: I can't find any. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/lynx3.png/ http://imageshack.us/f/832/lynx3.png/ Now I can see something (Windaube?). -- 10 Tips for Better Server Consolidation Server virtualization is being driven by many needs. But none more important than the need to reduce IT complexity while improving strategic productivity. Learn More! http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sdnl/114/51507609/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- 10 Tips for Better Server Consolidation Server virtualization is being driven by many needs. But none more important than the need to reduce IT complexity while improving strategic productivity. Learn More! http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sdnl/114/51507609/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS
Well I would say this about hardware. I began using dos in 1988, when I first came to computers. It is now 2012, and I am still using it. My experience has personally been that people have created ways to use dos with hardware as it changes, no reason for that to stop any time soon. I am not talking specifically about freedos, I do not use it. However enhanced Dr dos is a fine example of dedication, as is the work of Bret and those who write mpxplay, even on little things. just my two cents, Karen On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, Alex wrote: Hi This topic is not about DOS vs other operating systems, or the fact that users tend to gradually abandon DOS. It's about the survivability of DOS vis-a-vis hardware. The starting point for my reasoning is: what will happen with the future development of the hardware architectures? So far DOS has fared relatively well, in the sense that it can still run even on 32bit and 64bit architectures, despite the fact that it does not fully support them. Now the question is: will it always be like this? Or will there come a point when, due to a radical CPU redesign, we won't be able to even use DOS any longer on newer machines? What are the chances of this happening? Related questions are: how adaptable would the (Free)DOS codebase prove, in the event of this happening? How much manpower would be required to recode/adapt (Free)DOS to the new needs? In short, could DOS survive such a situation? I know that this may look as an overly pessimistic scenario, but I believe it's one we had better anticipate, rather than just assuming that things will always be as they are now. I hope I am very wrong in my reasoning, and I would be very glad if someone pointed it out. Cheers Alex -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS compatibility with DOS applications
I strongly suggest you do your own research here. for example there is a ms dos package 7.1 which is augmented with dos utilities from 2003 and 2005, far more current than 18 years ago. Of course enhanced Dr does is maintained regularly. As someone who uses dos exclusively, I can tell you that it pays to hunt for what you desire. Actually given Microsoft restored a dos structure to what was it, windows 7? some of those utilities may be even more current. Just my take, Karen On Sun, 1 Jul 2012, Eric Auer wrote: Hi! How compatible is FreeDOS with applications written to other DOS operating systems(for example MS-DOS and Windows 95/98/ME, PC-DOS, DR-DOS)? Are there any known specific utilities or more complex DOS applications which do not work under FreeDOS? Or is FreeDOS fully compatible with (all other) DOS variations? FreeDOS is generally quite compatible, and runs better on modern hardware than e.g. MS DOS (where the newest version is 18 years old by now)... It also supports FAT32 and there are drivers for long file names, so it is similar to Win9x DOS in that sense but of course it is not meant for running Windows programs. You can run some (even graphical) Windows programs with the HXRT extender under DOS, though. Also, while Windows 3.0 and 3.1 work okay, it is possible that 386enh mode and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 do not run well in FreeDOS. Note that they also do not work if you have too much RAM anyway. Even with special config tricks, you have to hide RAM beyond 1 GB from Windows... Some very low-level DOS drivers might also give problems. Recently there was a thread about concurrent file access in the network - apparently FreeDOS SHARE and kernel support for it are not as good as in MS DOS but for example software and drivers for modern hardware (USB stuff, HDA / AC97 media player) might be even more tested and compatible with FreeDOS than with older DOS versions :-) As said, as far as everyday use and software are concerned, they should run equally well on all DOS variants and you can most of the time use drivers and tools from mixed versions together to get a best of all worlds system if you have licenses for all used DOS versions :-) I think drivers used in the FreeDOS world often need only little DOS RAM and are often more modern than what you may be used to from MSDOS. Regards, Eric -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] uide versus audio cd versus udvd
The ability to rip audio cds has been built into the mpxplay dos audio player package for years. Given it now includes audio formats from .aif to .acc to m4a and mp4 and still allows for audio cd ripping, clearly many people care. Karen On Sun, 12 Aug 2012, Eric Auer wrote: Hi, short question about CD-DA: The UDVD driver saves a tiny amount of RAM by not supporting raw sector reads, so if you want to rip audio CD to audio files, you have to use UIDE, the more complete driver. My question is: Who does audio CD ripping in DOS at all? Depending on that, it might be worth enabling raw read in UDVD, making it more known that raw is only available in UIDE, or maybe do nothing as nobody cares? Regards, Eric :-) PS: I myself prefer cdparanoia-related abcde to rip in Linux. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?
Hi, all the talk about the site motivated me to take a quick look. why does the line unlike the old ms dos freedos lets you access fat 32 file systems appear? fat 32 file systems existed in ms dos about 1997 or so. I have fat 32 partitions on my ms dos system in fact, and there is no windows on my computer whatsoever. While there are likely many things freedos can do, networking for example?, the fat 32 one as distinguishing it from ms dos is false information and should be removed. Honestly even stating that freedos is sill under development unlike ms dos is distinction enough, and correct. Karen -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?
Granted, I am a media professional, so facts especially n the Internet are important. the fact is ms dos 7.1 under wind 98 had fat 32, even Dr dos in 99 has it. if freedos wants to suggest that it is distinctive from older editions of dos, especially if fat 32 did not exist inf freedos circle 1994, the line should say unlike ms dos 6.22, which is what you apparently? mean by the older ms dos. better still as I suggested use something totally unique to freedos like its being under development, or its networking abilities which did not exist in ms dos at all. given the people who may want to decide between you and say enhanced Dr dos, the more positive correctness you demonstrate the better. Just my take, Karen On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: all the talk about the site motivated me to take a quick look. why does the line unlike the old ms dos freedos lets you access fat 32 file systems appear? fat 32 file systems existed in ms dos about 1997 or so. I have fat 32 partitions on my ms dos system in fact, and there is no windows on my computer whatsoever. While there are likely many things freedos can do, networking for example?, the fat 32 one as distinguishing it from ms dos is false information and should be removed. Honestly even stating that freedos is sill under development unlike ms dos is distinction enough, and correct. MS-DOS 6.22 didn't support FAT32 out of the box (or really at all). And that was the last truly stand-alone version of MS-DOS. Yes, Win95 OSR (or whatever) introduced FAT32 later on, but it wasn't in DOS per se, hence most people with older copies couldn't use the better file system. FAT16 can be really wasteful on big hard drives, from cluster slack alone, not to mention the inherent limit on overall partition size. So FAT32 is a big deal and wasn't always available in FreeDOS either, at least not in 1994. ;-) -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?
Hi Chris, Thanks for including the entire passage. still the point is as you shared yourself, might be understood to mean older stand alone ms dos, it might not as well. be understood..that is. Why showcase what is subject to misinterpretation when their are aspects, you bring up another sensational one, that are correct and not subject to miss interpreting? for my part, the edition of ms dos 7 i run was packaged by developers much like yourselves. Is it official ms dos stand alone? perhaps not. is it bundled under windows? not at all. Karen On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, C. Masloch wrote: why does the line unlike the old ms dos freedos lets you access fat 32 file systems appear? fat 32 file systems existed in ms dos about 1997 or so. I have fat 32 partitions on my ms dos system in fact, and there is no windows on my computer whatsoever. While there are likely many things freedos can do, networking for example?, the fat 32 one as distinguishing it from ms dos is false information and should be removed. I would suggest that we precisely quote the passage in question. I think you're referring to this one (please correct me otherwise): page FreeDOS is basically like the old MS-DOS, but better! page For example, unlike MS-DOS, FreeDOS lets you access page FAT32 file systems and use large disk support (LBA). [This is found under the heading Welcome to FreeDOS, in the answer What is FreeDOS?.] Now, you're correct that later MS-DOS versions (those typically only bundled with MS Windows systems) did also support the FAT32 FS (as well as LBA access). On the other hand, at least the first sentence quoted by me refers to old MS-DOS specifically, which might be understood to refer to the earlier (stand-alone) MS-DOS versions. Honestly even stating that freedos is sill under development unlike ms dos is distinction enough, and correct. Another distinguishing feature important to many users (and developers alike) is the freedoms that apply to core FreeDOS software, including of course gratis unlimited redistribution which is completely legal for these. Regards, Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?
Chris, On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, C. Masloch wrote: This does not accurately describe the technical circumstances. If we were to discuss LFNs, in that case the MS-Windows-bundled DOS versions alone did indeed only provide rudimentary help and application support, with the important core LFN driver only inside Windows code. However, opposed to the LFN situation, the MS Windows 4.10 implementation of FAT32 was also accompanied by a DOS implementation of FAT32. So, FAT32 very much is in DOS per se there, though only in these new Windows-bundled MS-DOS versions. which is exactly why the line should be changed. Other developers then took those dos editions, at least ms dos 7.1, added extra tools, and in around 2007 or so, made this package available. official? perhaps not, existing, absolutely. better sell what really makes you shine. Karen Regards, Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] about lfn...?
Does freedos have its own long file name utility? If so, is it close enough to ms dos to be run? Just curious, the person I know seeking it says they are running freedos, but they are using the old ms dos 7.1 lfn command. Made little sense to me, unless there is no specific freedos utility for it? thanks, Karen -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] false info on the freedos home page?
You are too funny! consult the rest of the thread. As for Dr dos, many sites would dispute this, but that is beyond the scope of this discussion. Karen On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Ralf A. Quint wrote: At 04:48 PM 9/17/2012, Karen Lewellen wrote: Granted, I am a media professional, so facts especially n the Internet are important. the fact is ms dos 7.1 under wind 98 had fat 32, even Dr dos in 99 has it. The fact is that there never was a MS-DOS 7.1, it just happened that the underlying DOS mode of Windows 95B intensified itself with that version. As mentioned, MS-DOS 6.22 was the last official version of MS-DOS. And DR-DOS never officially supported FAT32 either, the last version of DR-DOS was 6.0, released in 1991, followed by Novell DOS 7.0 in December 1993. Any FAT32 support for it only exists in some 3party support for an unofficially maintained version of the later Caldera OpenDOS 7.x... So in light of all that, there is no false information on the FreeDOS home page... Ralf -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] about lfn...?
Hi Chris, indeed they are referring to doslfn, but as I am not sure, I have written to ask just what edition. Also which of freedos. they sent me the line they are loading...thoughts? LH DOSLFN /Z:C:\DOS71\CP437UNI.TBL I feel sure they are not running what is current, and as their complaint is that the line does not work, it may not be by choice. Still part of their issue has to do with how wordperfect displays long file names, which it can do, but which they may not have allowed. Thanks again, Karen On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, C. Masloch wrote: Hi Karen, Does freedos have its own long file name utility? If so, is it close enough to ms dos to be run? Just curious, the person I know seeking it says they are running freedos, but they are using the old ms dos 7.1 lfn command. Made little sense to me, unless there is no specific freedos utility for it? It depends on what they mean by LFN command. I imagine they might be referring to DOSLFN, the extension initially developed by Henrik Haftmann which enables FAT's LFNs (for all LFN-aware applications) without needing to load MS Windows. In that case, DOSLFN was developed to run on MS-DOS 7.00 and up initially, but it now does function properly with older MS-DOS versions and others such as DR-DOS and FreeDOS as well. In fact, it has been distributed along with FreeDOS for some time, and most recently is maintained by Jason Hood - not only for MS-DOS! In the FreeDOS website's software list, you can find DOSLFN in the UTIL category, or with this direct link: http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=doslfn If this doesn't seem similar enough to what they were referring to, it might help if you could describe more what they and you mean by LFN command. If they were referring to DOSLFN, then they can use their old MS-DOS 7.1 DOSLFN with FreeDOS, though it might be advisable for them to insure that they're using an updated DOSLFN (for both MS-DOS and FreeDOS). If they want that, please refer to Jason Hood's web page on DOSLFN (Primary site in the software list entry, linked above) for selecting the appropriate version - if you're using SHSUCDX or no CD FS redirector along with DOSLFN, the latest DOSLFN version should be the right one. There's another (older) one only required for using other CD FS redirectors such as MSCDEX along with DOSLFN. The latest one is currently 0.41b, and the alternative older one is 0.34d. Regards, Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] about lfn...?
Hi Dennis, this post made me smile. how command.com is documented vs how it works indeed. I am not sure what edition of freedos is being run, have written to ask. Thanks for your wisdom, Karen On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, dmccunney wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Does freedos have its own long file name utility? Yes. It's a loadable driver. If so, is it close enough to ms dos to be run? It seems to work here. Just curious, the person I know seeking it says they are running freedos, but they are using the old ms dos 7.1 lfn command. Made little sense to me, unless there is no specific freedos utility for it? There is a FreeDOS LFN utility, but your friend may be unaware of it, may simply prefer to use the MS-DOS driver, or the FreeDOS driver may have subtle incompatibilities with the MS-DOS driver that bites your friend but does not bite others. FreeDOS is entirely written by third party users with no MS-DOS code to refer to, who had to reverse engineer what DOS did and try to create software that did the same thing, Even if it works as MS-DOS is *documented* to work, that may not be correct. Some time back, someone was asking 4DOS author Rex Conn for a change to make it more compatible with COMMAND.COM, and he asked Do you want it to work the way COMMAND.COM is *documented* to work, or the way it actually *does* work? The significant thing is that your friend can run FreeDOS and *get* LFN support using MS driver. This means FreeDOS pretty much got things right, as it tries to run anything real MS-DOS would. thanks, Karen __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Partition magic anyone?
greetings all, I realize I tend to wonder through the room and then find my corner again smiles. Anyway, I am wondering if any of you may be hiding a copy of partition magic for dos? it goes back a ways, I believe the last stable edition 8.5 allowed for use even then, and that was 2004 or so. Encountering a creative issue with a non freedos but dos none the less installation regarding a partition the fdisk tool produced minus any allocation unitsI am not kidding. sort of thing just reminds me why I like nice stable operating systems. In any case, if this is possible let me know. thanks, Karen -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Partition magic anyone?
hi Felix, was that a typo below, as in 2 tb? Indeed Dr dos does have an approximately 2 gb limit for the primary dos partition. this dell laptop has a disk size of about 8 gig, so we partitioned the rest into amounts smaller than 3 gig, since my best understanding is that it can swing 4 gig. However the first logical drive in the extended partition its d: drive technically has no allocation units according to Dr dos 7.03's edition of chkdsk. the other two partitions e and f are just fine though. Yes I do realize partition magic is still legal, but not so sure about its availability free for dos, because its new owners state as of July 2011 they are no longer offering partition magic at all. There is a link for a free partition magic on the partition wizard site, the replacement product for partition magic, but it is not directing me clearly in lynx. Still I will check out offerings you present here. your note gives me an idea, perhaps shifting the primary dos partition slightly so it is closer to that 2 gig window, which is why no data loss is important. A little more in reply to a couple more of these. Karen On Fri, 5 Oct 2012, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012-10-04 23:49 (GMT-0400) Karen Lewellen composed: I realize I tend to wonder through the room and then find my corner again smiles. Anyway, I am wondering if any of you may be hiding a copy of partition magic for dos? it goes back a ways, I believe the last stable edition 8.5 allowed for use even then, and that was 2004 or so. Encountering a creative issue with a non freedos but dos none the less installation regarding a partition the fdisk tool produced minus any allocation unitsI am not kidding. sort of thing just reminds me why I like nice stable operating systems. In any case, if this is possible let me know. Likely if you had it you'd be stumped when you have devices of more than 2TB. Try http://partedmagic.com/doku.php instead. I don't use it myself. Instead I use http://www.dfsee.com/ because it works no matter what I boot, and has great support from the author. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] hard drive question?
Hi folks, Asking for the person still doing that Dr dos 703 thing. What is the largest drive capacitor for the current edition of freedos? Thanks, Karen -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
realizing there may be other answers, let me try that again. you are saying if one intends installing freedos as the only operating system on a hard drive it cannot see a drive larger than 2 gig at all? or are you saying that it only creates fat 16 partitions with the gig limit? Meaning you cannot create a fat 32 partition in freedos at all? Thanks, Karen On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Bernd Blaauw wrote: Op 11-11-2012 16:22, Karen Lewellen schreef: Hi folks, Asking for the person still doing that Dr dos 703 thing. What is the largest drive capacitor for the current edition of freedos? Thanks, Karen 2 terabyte total disksize is the maximum allowed for a single MBR-partitioned storage device if used individually. 2TB is also the limit for a FAT32 partition. No idea about DR-DOS, likely same limitations. I remember the old days of having 4 (primary? extended? logical?) FAT16 partitions of 2GB each, allowing up to 8GB total. All above is traditional BIOS + MBR. Don't know about UEFI system firmware and GPT-formatted storage devices. Don't know about combining drives/volumes (RAID) either. Bernd -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
So, if I translate this. The person wanting to consider freedos, could not do as I can do on my ms dos 7.1 system, format a 20 gig drive split it into 10 gig sizes and have freedos recognize the fat 32 partitions thus created? Likewise they would be limited to a 2 gig drive regardless in freedos? Dr dos 703 cannot see a 12gig drive, so I am correct in saying that freedos cannot see this either? i have not used a fat 16 partition structure in pure DOS for so long, I honestly did not remember these limitations. Never mind the other distinctions you are trying to make, the install they are trying is on a Pentium 3 dell laptop. so no one is considering a tig drive, never referenced that. Their goal is to learn if freedos can do something Dr dos 703 cannot do. Karen On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Eric Auer wrote: Hi, to continue the thread... Slightly below 2 GB are the normal limit for classic FAT16, although variants exist. However, if you use FAT32, then you could put 2 TB into a single drive letter! A Terabyte is 1000 or 1024 Gigabyte, depending on whom you ask ;-) Another limit is the MBR partitioning scheme itself: You can only partition the first 2 TB with it, so disks which are bigger than that usually just do not use MBR... Larger disks might have bigger sectors (4096 bytes instead of 512 bytes, sometimes with 512e emulation to still allow access in classic 512 byte chunks, just slower) which can confuse aspects of DOS / booting / partitioning, so I think you first see 4k disks without emulation first as USB disk, less likely as internal disk. A generic solution to the 2 TB limit of MBR partitioning is to use EFI / UEFI partitioning, as already supported by a number of operating systems and a few BIOS vendors. I think booting via EFI now happens on demand, for example if disks are too big for MBR. The complexity of supporting EFI inside the DOS kernel is not very high, so sooner or later we can add that. You would still have a limit of 2 TB per partition (per drive letter) but that should be no problem... :-) Note that a Terabyte-sized FAT32 partition is likely to be somewhat bulky and slow to use in plain DOS, so unless you really want to have so much DOS data, I suggest to use, at least for the C: drive, a smaller size. You can partition the rest of your disk for something else, e.g. more drives. There's FreeDOS kernels only supporting FAT16 on which you'd have above issue yes. However by default the FAT32-enabled kernel is used, thus limiting you to slightly over 2000 GB total capacity. FreeDOS can see/use FAT32 partitions up to this 2000 GB size each. All in all, every normally used harddisk will work. Just don't buy a 3TB or 4TB harddisk if intended for usage with DOS. Bernd -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
thanks, I think. talk about pulling teeth. so freedos can see drives as large as 2 thousand gig, which was not clearly stated. I almost hesitate to ask the next one, since straight answers come in diagonals. but does freedos has its own multitasking included in its latest package. If the fat 32 issue is not an issue you may have helped this woman in NJ...who has been trying Dr dos 7.03 without success for weeks now for whatever reason. They desire a multitasking though, and I am just not using freedos so cannot say. MS dos 7.1 works fine for me. Karen On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Eric Auer wrote: Hi! So, if I translate this. The person wanting to consider freedos, could not do as I can do on my ms dos 7.1 system, format a 20 gig drive split it into 10 gig sizes and have freedos recognize the fat 32 partitions thus created? 10 GB is much smaller than 2 TB, so there is no problem :-) You only need a DOS which supports FAT32, for example our FreeDOS, the MS DOS of Win9x, a sufficiently new variant of EDR DOS / DR DOS or similar... Dr dos 703 cannot see a 12gig drive, so I am correct in saying that freedos cannot see this either? FreeDOS can see up to 2000 gig, unless you use a smaller version without FAT32 support. I see no reason to limit yourself that way, so simply use a full FreeDOS version. Regards, Eric -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
Hi John, not at all really. I have used dos exclusively for all of my computing since 1988. I presently run an augmented edition of ms dos 7.1 circle 2005 or so that meets my pure dos needs totally. Because I use dos though, i was contacted by a young woman who lives in America and her friend. She wants to return to total dos, 18 windows computers later, but seeks what she defines as the more modern editions of DOS without being very clear about this. Her assumption was that enhanced Dr dos, actually based on DR dos 7.01, or Freedos fit the modern definition if only because they are being updated regularly. I have been riding side car from Canada on their efforts with DR dos 7.03, which created overlapping partitions when they tried installing it on the Pentium III laptop they are working on for the task, it has a 12 gig hard drive. It seems, that this edition of Dr dos, the most current official one so it seems uses fat 16 only, with very minimal support for fat 32. Hence part of the install and other problems she is meeting with. My goal was to swiftly learn if she would at least get past the issue she is having with Dr dos if she opted for freedos. I have never met with these issues using my edition of ms dos, because it sees fat 32 just fine. is that more clear? Karen On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, john s wolter wrote: Karen, There must be a program you need to run using a DOS environment. Am I right about this? If so is it a well known package or a custom software package? Some of older DOS software packages required a more traditional DOS filesystem like FAT-16. The decision as to which filesystem to use is sometimes imposed by an application program. An example I've encountered was a custom Clipper database software package that is insisting on a less than 540 megabyte partition. Why 540 Megabytes I don't know. Just to be safe I found it necessary to limit the partition size to 510 Megabytes. As I understand it, the original Clipper compiler was built using Microsoft C 5.1. Many add-on libraries used that same compiler and its libraries. Somewhere within that combination, partition size limits were imposed on the run-time program. Cheers John S Wolter - Mailto:johnswol...@wolterworks.com - Desk: 734-408-1263 - USA, Eastern Standard Time, -5 GMT, -4 GMT DST -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
the answer is no then, thanks. As I said in my reply to John, Eleni wants to leave windows behind for a variety of reasons. She will have to decide what is more important for her, multitasking, as indeed Dr dos 7.03 includes as a part of its structure, or a large hard drive, which cannot be achieved with it. Personally I have no problem doing multitasking in dos as I define it at least. I can say run my word processor and go on the Internet at the same time without issue. Having never personally used windows, and having made sure over the years that my computers were custom built to manage the things I desire in dos, more than that has never been needful for me. thanks for the no answer on freedos and multitasking though. Karen On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Karen, does freedos has its own multitasking included in its latest package? Not really. I remember there was something built into the DREMM386 and DR-DOS, but I am not sure how far that would work for what you need. Also, MS DOS had a task swapping feature in DOSSHELL. As far as I remember, that only let you run one program at a time, but multiple programs could be open, non-running programs frozen in the background? If you really want to run multiple programs at the same time, you will want to use something like Windows, Linux and so on. Also because those will let you display more than one window at the same time, so programs have less trouble sharing one screen, one keyboard and so on... To run very classic DOS software on newer hardware, as you already mentioned that the harddisk is quite big, you can also always try a more comprehensive operating system as host (Linux, Windows) with something to host DOS inside (DOSEMU or any emulation of a PC, e.g. QEMU, Bochs, VirtualPC). For games, DOSBOX might be useful. They desire a multitasking though, and I am just not using freedos so cannot say. MS dos 7.1 works fine for me. I gather you do not use Windows 98 itself much? Because you can only have MS DOS 7.1 if you also have Win98. Do you yourself use multitasking? If so, you probably do so by opening multiple DOS windows inside Windows 98? Of course Windows 98 is not included with FreeDOS, so if you need Windows, you have to buy Windows... Regards, Eric -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
very interesting points, basically translating into what she is willing to try. the reference to 286 made me laugh out loud, my own desktop is a Pentium 3 with 784 meg of memory but I had mine built for me. The Dell laptop inspirum 7500 if memory serves was built around 2000 I think. One can avoid windows with ease if willing to work at it. I have personally since 1988...and it has been worth it to me believe me! Dos means never having to do what is popular smiles. Linux is out for her too, again she does not want to invest in what she does not understand...too many very bad windows times and she likes dos so she says. her windows experience's have been disastrous, up to running xp, I cannot imagine going through 18 computers in three years. It is funny you mentioned programming as she wants to learn dos programming so as to improve what is available, perhaps creating a dos multitasking structure that will do what she desires might be a good motivation. I have to agree with the bug gs in Dr dos's emm386, they would sneeze at the computer and the program would find a general protection error lol. Thanks for your input, Karen On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: the answer is no then, thanks. Beware of simple answers. They may be right most of the time, but there are often workarounds and dark corners. As I said in my reply to John, Eleni wants to leave windows behind for a variety of reasons. In this day and age, that's very difficult. Unless you're an amateur sysadmin or have such tech support nearby, it's very hard to do anything outside of the generic end-user (consumer) mindset. Windows is everywhere. While it's not my favorite, it's quite popular, so finding solutions to problems is much easier. To a lesser extent, Mac OS X and Linux are popular too (but mostly among multimedia or tech savvy people, respectively). But getting peripherals (modems, routers, printers) to work in a non-Windows PC is (often) a pain, if not (sometimes) impossible. She will have to decide what is more important for her, multitasking, as indeed Dr dos 7.03 includes as a part of its structure, or a large hard drive, which cannot be achieved with it. You can dual boot, either two DOSes (on two separate partitions: FAT16, FAT32) or DOS compatibles (OS/2, Windows) or Linux+DOSEMU+DOSBox or whatever. It isn't just either or here. Personally I have no problem doing multitasking in dos as I define it at least. I can say run my word processor and go on the Internet at the same time without issue. Most common DOSes do not support multitasking very well, at least not for 100% of all apps like Linux and Windows (etc.) do. Even DR-DOS 7.03 has some annoying bugs (DR-EMM386 always loaded) and limitations (64 MB max per task). Nothing is perfect. You could also look into RDOS or SanOS (cmdline Win32 console-only clone), but I'm very skeptical. Having never personally used windows, and having made sure over the years that my computers were custom built to manage the things I desire in dos, more than that has never been needful for me. thanks for the no answer on freedos and multitasking though. FreeDOS does mostly (?) support standard (286) mode in Win 3.1. That's not really multitasking, just task swapping, IIRC. (That is due to obscure bugs, lack of interest, the proprietary nature of Windows, and its old age.) No idea if DOSSHELL or DR's TASKMGR would work in FreeDOS, maybe (with the right drivers, e.g. DR-EMM386). It shouldn't care about FAT32 (and I don't know why it would). Dunno about Desqview or Desqview/X in FreeDOS, maybe the latter needs QEMM386, dunno if that works. You could try, though, if desperate. DR-DOS has better Win 3.1 support, but no other DOS besides MS-DOS 7 will work with Win9x. With OS/2, you can allegedly run various DOSes in their (M)DOS box, but I don't know if that would be acceptable or not (even eCS 2.0, latest version last I checked). Linux+DOSEMU is fairly good for common things, but even that requires a fairly bulky Linux install. Or at least nobody seems to have slimmed it down, so your best bet for minimal would maybe? be Debian (no X11). So, basically, multitasking means using a DOS subsystem atop another host OS. You could maybe even try a slim hypervisor (or minimal Linux distro with VirtualBox bundled, though I forget its name) and boot DOS from there (VT-X heavily preferred!) or QEMU or similar. (DOSBox is only for games, so I don't recommend that.) P.S. Your friend would have to be very savvy to program multitasking atop DOS, e.g. usually that means coroutines or cooperative multitasking. Various solutions for those kinds of things exist for DOS, but that is somewhat unpopular (though better than nothing!), so that could be useful, in theory. But that's more for programmers (and those who want lean and mean) than
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
Hi, Last one I am answering tonight...then back to my 50 shades of Grey series. in context below. On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Felix Miata wrote: Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen proof 7.03 cannot coexist with a large HD. Is it a lack of FAT32/2GB partition support? That's her obstacle? Here was the problem. the dell inspirium 7500, spelling comes with a 12 gig hard drive. When we started the installation though, Dr dos via fdisk indicated only 7500 or so, creating its first primary fat 16 partition at the 2 gig level...although we would find later that such was not what the drive was showing. We then tried, first the minimal fat 32 support for the logical rives in its extended partitions, then to create fat 16 ones. the former failed totally. the latter worked only slightly. while there were variations the experimenting, the logical drives were less than 2 gig in most cases both as fat 16 and fat 32. what would happen at the fat 16 level was that while the second and third, say e: and F: drives functioned fine, the d: as in the line where the extended and primary met did not, general protection errors, not allowing us to copy files or create directories, no allocation units on that part of the drive. We took a look with ranish finding over lapping partitions everywhere, the actual c drive was 4 gig, the cylinder arrangement was off etc. although we tired using ranish to create the partitions instead, Dr dos 7.03 simply would not see them at all, no matter how divided, even as fat 16. There are more details, but that gives You an idea. If not, it could be that the only obstacle is her installation methodology. What size HD does she have in that Dell laptop? What partitioning would she prefer to have? Possibly I could do what she ultimately wants, then describe how to do it. I too have a Dell laptop with a PIII CPU. And, if I can find the floppies and they still work, I have Novell DOS 7 also. what is novell dos 7? As for what partitions would be workable, my best guess is that she will be fine with say one primary and three logical in the extended partition. the question would be if this were doable with the Dr dos 7.03 she wants, nothing we found, and nothing those we contacted indicated it is doable. Does she have or have access to DesqView 386? DV is how I multitasked before switching to OS/2 Warp. Indeed? I am sure she does not have it, I will hunt for this tonight. It didn't care about the DOS version, though I have no recollection of the limitations it has if not also using QEMM, Actually I have come across many suggestions for substituting qemm for the Dr dos emm386, so it may be worth it. which gave me all sorts of trouble working on new at the time hardware. Can you be more specific about at the time? Not much hardware in the dell smiles. Maybe what could meet her needs is OS/2 or eCS. Last century at least they were always better at multitasking DOS apps than DOS ever could hope to be. lol! last century? now now the dell is not that old, prior to the reinvention, her friend was running xp on It just fine I understand, and its default was wind 98...shutters at the memory of unlocking that mess of a drive smiles. OS/2 as eComStation is currently available to run on modern hardware, though the license is anything but cheap. A laptop old enough to be running a PIII is likely to function with an old Warp 4 version off eBay or Craigslist. Having never looked into the operating system, hard to say if it will work for her or not. I am more motivated at the moment by your first possibilities, especially if there is something yet untried for the blooming drive. The other responders may be right. The easiest route may be Linux and VirtualBox and/or DOSEMU. I disagree entirely on that front. the errors even trying to run gparted magic on this unit were enough to keep Eleni out of Linux forever I am sure smiles. Frankly the easier root would be to install the same ms dos package I am using no floppies required, but she wants ahem a more modern solution..whatever that is. Thanks for the ideas, Karen -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
Hi, interesting read...complete with weikipedia's often begging for real sources smiles. still it seems the novel 7 is older officially than what we are already using. Kare On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012-11-11 22:44 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed: I have Novell DOS 7 also. what is novell dos 7? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell_dos -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
Hi, We had no difficulty installing the five disk set of Dr dos 7.03 onto the primary dos partition it created...that was never the issue. The issue instead was using the rest of the hard drive in any fashion that Dr dos would understand. No matter how far below 2 gig we went. The fdisk must see 12 gig in order to partition 12 gig. I believe we have discovered from prior posts that freedos can read disks far larger than the hard drive in this system. If the multitasking option you suggested proves a viable option either for freedos, or ms dos 7.1, then I will let her know of the option. I will be basing my sharing on what documentation I find on that program. Otherwise her friend must find a hard drive for that dell laptop of 6 gig or so for Dr dos 7.03 to be happy. Thanks for the exploration. Karen On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012-11-11 22:44 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed: Felix Miata wrote: Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen proof 7.03 cannot coexist with a large HD. Is it a lack of FAT32/2GB partition support? That's her obstacle? the dell inspirium 7500, spelling comes with a 12 gig hard drive. When Inspiron http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/psyd/specs.htm we started the installation though, Dr dos via fdisk indicated only 7500 or so, creating its first primary fat 16 partition at the 2 gig level...although we would find later that such was not what the drive was showing. We then tried, first the minimal fat 32 support for the logical rives in its extended partitions, then to create fat 16 ones. the former failed totally. the latter worked only slightly. while there were variations the experimenting, the logical drives were less than 2 gig in most cases both as fat 16 and fat 32. what would happen at the fat 16 level was that while the second and third, say e: and F: drives functioned fine, the d: as in the line where the extended and primary met did not, general protection errors, not allowing us to copy files or create directories, no allocation units on that part of the drive. We took a look with ranish finding over lapping partitions everywhere, the actual c drive was 4 gig, the cylinder arrangement was off etc. although we tired using ranish to create the partitions instead, Dr dos 7.03 simply would not see them at all, no matter how divided, even as fat 16. There are more details, but that gives You an idea. I did a little investigating and determined Novell DOS didn't include LBA support, so I'm not even going to look for my NDOS 7 floppies. It was late when I looked, so I don't remember whether I found out if DR DOS included LBA or not, but the investigation prompted me to perform some experiments with my PIII Dell laptop after swapping the installed HD for another purely to do this with, size 30GB. Using DFSee (running on FreeDOS), I wiped, forced geo to H255 S63 (required for maximum DOS partition size, I think), then created: FAT pri 2047M FAT pri 243M FAT pri 200M FAT log 2047M FAT log 2047M FAT log 2047M FAT32 log (balance of space) I then set the first active and booted FreeDOS kernel 2040. It reported various errors for all partitions. Then I did some math: 512512 BPS 240255 Heads 63 63 Sectors 77414408225280 Bytes per cylinder 7560 8033 divide by 1024 1890 2008 divide by 4 Then I repeated the first wipe and partition process, except for the sizes, while leaving the laptop BIOS default heads at 240: FAT pri 1875M FAT pri 243M FAT pri 200M FAT log 1875M FAT log 1875M FAT log 1875M FAT32 log 20664M (balance) On next FreeDOS kernel 2040 boot, it reported all (visible, skipping the 243 240) partition sizes without errors: C: 1875 MB D: 1875 MB E: 1875 MB F: 1875 MB G:20664 MB This result suggests to me that limiting partition sizes to less than the maximum sizes FAT16 supports, as I did on second try, might get her going without errors. I also tried other combinations. 255 63 geo with 2039M partitions also produced startup partition table errors, as did 255 63 geo with 2000M partitions. Switching back to 240 63 geo and 2037 partitions produced no errors. I still think it's worth trying smaller partitions. I do also suggest doing all partitioning, and formatting, with modern tools (other than Ranish), followed by installing DR DOS simply by doing 'SYS C:' from a floppy boot, then completing installation manually, or doing same without the size reductions, if you can't get DR DOS to install according to its own instructions. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Everyone hates slow
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
Hi, Let me be more clear since you may have missed this. gives me a chance to share a source for utilities. we tried using many from the ultimate boot cd, www.ultimatebootcd.com Including both ranish partition manager andgparted as suggested. All of these tools are modern, start creating the partitions from the front of the disk as in cylinder 0, and all of our efforts always to create less than 8 gig of partition from the front. In fact in order to create the required fat 16 primary partition it must be less than 2 gig at the front of the disk. I do agree about using Dr dos's fdisk, which is why we tried so many other ones. in the end though the operating system must see what we are doing. Karen On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012-11-12 13:59 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed: We had no difficulty installing the five disk set of Dr dos 7.03 onto the primary dos partition it created...that was never the issue. The issue instead was using the rest of the hard drive in any fashion that Dr dos would understand. No matter how far below 2 gig we went. The fdisk must see 12 gig in order to partition 12 gig. ... Otherwise her friend must find a hard drive for that dell laptop of 6 gig or so for Dr dos 7.03 to be happy. I still believe the problem is one or both of two: 1-using DR DOS 7.03 FDISK (at all, for anything) 2-trying to partition more than ~8GB of the 13GB (contiguous, starting at front) I still suggest to try a modern partitioning tool and not use DR DOS FDISK at all. Additionally, I suggest creating less than ~8GB total from the front of the disk for partitions. Acquiring a smaller than 8GB HD should not be necessary. Also, it may prove difficult to find one so small that can be expected to be reliable. Everything that small is rather ancient. In deciding how to partition, if you haven't already, be sure to consider cluster overhang wastage by using FAT16 for large partitions. With a 32k cluster size on a 2GB partition, 32k is the minimum filesystem allocation size for every file of 32k or less. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
Hi Eric, As a contact of Udo's with Udo in the exchange told us himself in a private exchange, those are uncompiled binaries, so cannot be installed as an stand alone os. his idea is for people to use those patches on an existing install of Dr dos that is not as current as 7.03, 7.01 in fact. Why he does not provide a compiled package is anyone guess. ask him if you wish. Indeed the Dr dos 7.03 structure has minimal fat 32 support, and one of the variations we tried was to format the rest of drive from its bootable primary, just for kicks. Likewise none of the partition tools in the ultimate boot cd collection, see partitioning, allowed Dr dos to see the results of their work. I do agree though interesting legal history. Karen On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Karen, (Bob: please see below...) important snippet from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS#After_Novell Support for LBA and FAT32 originally was a DRFAT32 device driver, so in old DR DOS, you first have to boot from a FAT16 partition which is entirely in the first 8 GB of your disk and less than 2 GB in size, I would assume. Also, FDISK may be limited, so you better use something else than old DR DOS FDISK to partition... In DR DOS 7.04 and newer, things were getting better, but it is unlikely that you have that version. However, based on OpenDOS 7.01 source code, EDR-DOS implemented a free kernel with FAT32 and LBA support (version DR DOS 7.01.08 of July 2011). Due to license conflicts with the free improvements, DR DOS 8.0 and 8.1 have been discontinued, so DR DOS 7.03 (from the year 1999!) is the most recent DR DOS. I strongly recommend EDR DOS instead: http://www.drdosprojects.de/index.cgi/download.htm (just get the binaries, otherwise you need source+patch+compiler) Note that EDR DOS comes with very little extra software - simply use the extra software of another DOS like DR DOS or FreeDOS :-) Hi Bob, I wonder what the brandand firmware revisions the harddrive(s) in question are and whether or not they have a size-limiting jumper connected. Doesn't such a jumper, in combination with hardcoded BIOS settings, control the cylinders-heads-sectors that the DOS flavor sees? And doesn't DOS itself need a device driver in order to talk The last time that I saw such a jumper, it limited the size to 32 GB to avoid crashes with broken BIOSes. Also, some drives came with software to limit them to 128 GB to avoid yet other compatibility issues. Unless you have a VERY old BIOS (early 1990s) you do not need drivers: The BIOS will support sizes up to 128 GB using LBA, or in newer BIOS versions even up to 2 TB and more. Older DOS versions only support CHS which is where geometry (cylinder head sector) matters. If at all possible, use DOS versions and partition types with LBA, as those do not need to worry about geometry. For example MS DOS 4 does not support LBA, so you must use CHS and geometry must match between BIOS *and* partitioning *and* DOS. The BIOS will usually select some default with many (240, 254, 255?) heads for big disks, to get as much of the disk as possible in the first 1024 cylinders but you still do not get further than 8 GB. So if you must use CHS, pretend that your whole disk is smaller. Even MS DOS 4 can then use up to 2 GB per drive letter but do not get too close to 2048 MB or it will fail. Really old (also early 1990s, 1980s) BIOS versions do not support geometry settings above 16 heads, so you would need dynamic drive overlay or ontrack style drivers (actually installed as sort of boot loader) to get beyond 500 MB (0.5 GB). That said, a normal FreeDOS with FAT32 support can use the first 2 TB of your disk as long as you use LBA FAT32 type partitions. You can even make one partition of that size if you do not want to use several drive letters... Using SSD is no problem for DOS at all, only the size matters, the BIOS supports it all. If DOS would KNOW that the disk is SSD, it could get a bit more speed. Also, modern harddisk and SSD allow parallel access to gain speed, but DOS is not multitasking things anyway. Note that DOS drivers like UIDE allow faster data transfer in cases where the driver built into the BIOS is slow. So DOS drivers for disks do exist, but are not essential. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Monitor your physical,
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
You know what I found amusing in the article? assuming this is correct, one could buy the entire code for $25k, smiles. A bargain perhaps by many standards..especially given how many systems adjust given away these days. I do sincerely think the community for a chance to think through what we have done. Kare On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: interesting read...complete with weikipedia's often begging for real sources smiles. still it seems the novel 7 is older officially than what we are already using. CP/M-86 eventually evolved into DR-DOS (and even uses similar internal versioning) with many improvements, which was a big motivating factor (allegedly) for some features in MS-DOS 5 and 6 (e.g. HILOAD, MEMMAX). DR-DOS was originally from Digital Research (DR, no surprise). DR-DOS 5 was their MS-DOS 3.3 compatible, DR-DOS 6 was MS-DOS 5, and DR-DOS 7 calls itself compatible with IBM 6 (probably due to IBMBIO.COM and IBMDOS.COM or whatever, I forget offhand). Novell apparently wanted to compete with MS-DOS at one time, so they bought DR, hence the naming of Novell DOS. That was the 7.00 version with true pre-emptive multitasking. But they didn't keep it up very long. I think they discontinued it when it was announced that Win95 would include MS-DOS 7 by default. They sold it (or branched it off?) to Caldera. DR-DOS 7.03 still says Caldera on it. Caldera turned into Lineo (embedded systems??) and eventually sold (forked?) off to DeviceLogics and DR-DOS, Inc., which is (I think) where it stands today. I don't think they ever cared as much for DOS as Linux. I think rumor was that they used DR-DOS profits to fund their Linux-based businesses. Anyways, the whole OpenDOS mess was only temporary, hence 1997 saw the rise and fall of OpenDOS 7.01, the only release (kernel and shell sources but non-commercial only). Due to too many compilers and archaic version control, they didn't even release the last Novell version, so it lacked a few important bugfixes. DR-DOS 7.02 and 7.03 (commercial, closed source) followed (until late 1998 / early 1999) with quite a few improvements (e.g. bugfixed 32-bit DPMI) thanks to Matthias Paul and others, but Caldera disbanded them after that, so it wasn't really worked on anymore (not counting the very spartan unofficial 7.04 with a few tweaks for certain OEMs). And no, DR-DOS 7.03 doesn't include any FAT32 nor LFN stuff (why, patents??). I'm probably summarizing this badly, but that's roughly how I understand it (from far away, of course). -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS bootable CD image sought
Hi Bruce. Your project sounds interesting. If for any reason the image you found does not serve, take a look at the ultimate boot cd. www.ultimatebootcd.com I cannot say if any of the tools will do more than what you have found, but they might. Karen On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, bruce.bowman tds.net wrote: I'll try to answer some of the questions here. My program is a fairly simple role-playing game. It was originally written in Turbo C for DOS, and reads/writes to disk using DOS (not BIOS) calls. It runs in 256 palletized colors on a 640x480 console. While running, it frequently reads image files off disk, and for that reason won't fit on (or reliably run from) a floppy. I want to share it with friends such that all they have to do is insert a CD and boot up. Asking them to load emulators, other shells or OSs, or otherwise follow intimidating instructions won't meet my objectives. Having said that, I've tried DosBox, just for my own purposes. My program runs very slowly in it, no matter what settings I use; and for some reason the graphics palette does not get reset properly. I've downloaded VM too, but haven't tried that yet, and for reasons already mentioned I probably won't. The DFSee CD image that someone else recommended looks like something I can modify for my purposes. I've already booted off of that and confirmed that the game runs well...here at home, anyway. And it seems to detect and do i/o on my FAT32 partition just fine. NTFS? I'll worry about that later. Floppy disks? I realizing I'm backtracking by using DOS instead of a GUI, but am loath to go all the way to 80s technology. A bootable thumb drive, though, intrigues me -- because I can write to it. But how do you make it show up? If I stick one in a USB port and restart, my BIOS menu doesn't show it as a drive. A boot image that requires a loader before it's seen by the BIOS sounds like a real chicken-or-egg problem. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. If I go silent and unresponsive for a day or two it's because I'm either modifying that CD image...or maybe even doing something in real life. Regards, Bruce On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just for clarity, since I am not exactly sure what you meant, On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, bruce.bowman tds.net bruce.bow...@tds.net wrote: I have an old DOS program that I wrote and still want to run, but it uses VESA 3.0 SVGA graphics, which are not [fully] supported by later versions of Windoze.* To make matters worse, the program writes to disk during operation, and no modern computer has FAT16 partitions anymore. Who is the target of this program? You? Other? WinXP only? Native DOS? Or just anybody with a PC? IIRC, VESA 3 didn't add much to the standard (refresh rates?). Is that what you meant? Or did you really mean LFB (VESA 2)? Does your program *have* to run atop FAT? Does it write to the hard disk directly? Or just it just use normal DOS (file) calls? Regarding porting to DirectX (or SDL) or whatever, what was the app written in? You could probably switch pretty easily if you used Turbo Pascal or Turbo C. Heck, even Allegro would probably simplify things (if you still wanted partial DOS support). I'm not exactly sure why you seem to want to run natively instead of emulated. DOSBox supports VESA, and VirtualBox can (sometimes) work (VT-X!). DOSEMU ain't too shabby either for gfx. But if you're trying to run under WinXP explicitly (or worse, anything newer, sigh), you're probably barking up the wrong tree. :-( -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Sent from my meager, humble desktop computer. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] hunting a program?
HI folks, I have seen it referenced a few times here, although the last incident I remember was not on this list. it is a networking /Internet package, and its creator prides himself on getting very very old hardware on the Internet. Anyone remember the name? thanks, Karen -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hunting a program?
none of those, if memory serves the person keeping it updated posts of these from time to time, and it is still updated. Karen On Tue, 18 Dec 2012, Chris Evans wrote: Maybe Nettamer.net Doslynx Arachne? On Tuesday, December 18, 2012, Karen Lewellen wrote: HI folks, I have seen it referenced a few times here, although the last incident I remember was not on this list. it is a networking /Internet package, and its creator prides himself on getting very very old hardware on the Internet. Anyone remember the name? thanks, Karen -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net javascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hunting a program?
***Ding ding ding ding!!*** Dave is the winner! My thanks, Karen On Tue, 18 Dec 2012, cordat...@aol.com wrote: Karen, If by getting old hardware on the internet you mean successfully connecting old hardware to the internet then you may be referring to Mike Brutman and his networking package mTCP. If on the other hand by getting old hardware on the internet you mean someone who buys stuff from ebay or craigslist I'm unsure... Dave -Original Message- From: Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net To: freedos list freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 10:04 pm Subject: [Freedos-user] hunting a program? HI folks, I have seen it referenced a few times here, although the last incident I remember was not on this list. it is a networking /Internet package, and its creator prides himself on getting very very old hardware on the Internet. Anyone remember the name? thanks, Karen -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Printer Drivers needed for old DOS programs
I cannot say firmly if they can be crossed of course. Still printer drivers for wordperfect are kept current, as well as how to use the program in a number of operating systems. visit. www.wpuniverse.com or simply google word perfect for dos. I cannot recall Edwin's direct site right now. Likewise hp is very good about keeping older printer drivers for their products, so you may find what you need there. Hope this is helpful, Karen On Sun, 30 Dec 2012, Carl Spitzer wrote: I have a newer HP printer and need drivers for DOS and Win311 also Wordstar. The printer is an all in one with USB which I can convert to parallel. Where can I find such? CWSIV -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_123012 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_123012 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Printer Drivers needed for old DOS programs
Hi, well not exactly. At present wordperfect will only let you print using the parallel port, which is why i suggested this, you mentioned you could use this. In fact Bret Johnson if you are reading this exchange, write me privately. The person who maintains Wordperfect is interested in your dos usb printer structure as a possible avenue. Additionally, the wordprefect printer drivers for dos page update in November 2012, does not recommend the c4680. It does not mean that you cannot print using wp for dos however. Edwin provides instructions for printing with wp for dos using any windows printer. I might add for those who hinted that no one writes printer drivers for dos, he most certainly does even for printing in 64 bit environments. There is information for using wp in Linux there is even one for Linux if you have this instead. As for the converting, that would likely be the easiest part since wordperfect 6.0 and later has this option for wordstar. Karen On Sun, 30 Dec 2012, Carl Spitzer wrote: On Sun, 2012-12-30 at 11:10 -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: I cannot say firmly if they can be crossed of course. Still printer drivers for wordperfect are kept current, as well as how to use the program in a number of operating systems. visit. www.wpuniverse.com or simply google word perfect for dos. I cannot recall Edwin's direct site right now. Likewise hp is very good about keeping older printer drivers for their products, so you may find what you need there. It could be very helpful seems WP DOS can be made to work in Linux which has no problems with USB the only issue would be conversion from WordSTAR 7.0 D format. So that is definitely another potential solution otherwise Ill need to type the recipies in from scratch in which case OpenOffice / LibreOffice will do nicely. Then there is all that scanning of newspaper recipies to start. CWSIV CWSIV -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_123012 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_123012 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] dos networking and wireless?
while I am guessing this is just a matter of finding a driver, thought I would ask if anyone has successfully found a wireless line with drivers? it is for a laptop, and I am not giving up yet on linksys who makes the other this person has...yet. thanks for any on topic experiences, Karen -- Master SQL Server Development, Administration, T-SQL, SSAS, SSIS, SSRS and more. Get SQL Server skills now (including 2012) with LearnDevNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only - learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122512 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos networking and wireless?
my goodness! that is amazing, and so are you. Thanks for providing such rich information. Karen On Tue, 15 Jan 2013, Ulrich Hansen wrote: Am 15.01.2013 um 05:55 schrieb Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net: while I am guessing this is just a matter of finding a driver, thought I would ask if anyone has successfully found a wireless line with drivers? it is for a laptop, and I am not giving up yet on linksys who makes the other this person has...yet. thanks for any on topic experiences, Karen Some years ago I wrote down everything I could find on this matter: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=WiFi Hope this helps. Ulrich -- Master SQL Server Development, Administration, T-SQL, SSAS, SSIS, SSRS and more. Get SQL Server skills now (including 2012) with LearnDevNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only - learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122512 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Master SQL Server Development, Administration, T-SQL, SSAS, SSIS, SSRS and more. Get SQL Server skills now (including 2012) with LearnDevNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only - learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122512 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos networking and wireless?
This person requires wireless, thanks though! Kare On Tue, 15 Jan 2013, Bernd Blaauw wrote: Op 15-1-2013 17:00, Karen Lewellen schreef: my goodness! that is amazing, and so are you. Thanks for providing such rich information. Karen powerline adapters (PLC) might also be an option, though that's not completely wireless ofcourse. Of modern PCIe and/or USB LAN adapters, no idea yet which would work. Maybe Intel or Realtek. Bernd -- Master SQL Server Development, Administration, T-SQL, SSAS, SSIS, SSRS and more. Get SQL Server skills now (including 2012) with LearnDevNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only - learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122512 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Master SQL Server Development, Administration, T-SQL, SSAS, SSIS, SSRS and more. Get SQL Server skills now (including 2012) with LearnDevNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only - learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122512 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] elinks or links browsers in dos?
Hi folks, Anyone successfully using elinks in a pure dos setting? I believe there is a dos package of links, not sure when last updated though? Just curious, Karen -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] elinks or links browsers in dos?
indeed? where can I find the text editions? Thanks! Karen On Sun, 3 Mar 2013, teo gum wrote: yes. elinks and links ported by mikhail kostylev.. in only text format it's OK. In the grafic one sometimes hangs. 2013/3/2 Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net Hi folks, Anyone successfully using elinks in a pure dos setting? I believe there is a dos package of links, not sure when last updated though? Just curious, Karen -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] elinks or links browsers in dos?
Holy smoke! I could kiss you! there is a dos porting of mplayer over there too. thanks beyond measure. Kare On Sun, 3 Mar 2013, teo gum wrote: http://www.ausreg.com/dos_ports/index.htm 2013/3/3 Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net indeed? where can I find the text editions? Thanks! Karen On Sun, 3 Mar 2013, teo gum wrote: yes. elinks and links ported by mikhail kostylev.. in only text format it's OK. In the grafic one sometimes hangs. 2013/3/2 Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net Hi folks, Anyone successfully using elinks in a pure dos setting? I believe there is a dos package of links, not sure when last updated though? Just curious, Karen -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] speaking of this, Arachne update.... (fwd)
For those who use it, there is an update...see below. Karen Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:36:26 -0500 From: Glenn McCorkle glenn...@glennmcc.org Subject: +[SurvPC] Arachne update Well folks After a 4yr hiatus, I'm at it again ;-) Available Mar 04, 2013..Arachne v1.97;GPL (sorry.. only the DOS 387+ build this time, no DOS 287- build, no Linux build) -- http://www.glennmcc.org/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] bret's usb drivers?
Hi folks, Anyone using them with an external usb drive? I have a question if you do. thanks, Karen -- Symantec Endpoint Protection 12 positioned as A LEADER in The Forrester Wave(TM): Endpoint Security, Q1 2013 and remains a good choice in the endpoint security space. For insight on selecting the right partner to tackle endpoint security challenges, access the full report. http://p.sf.net/sfu/symantec-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New release of the Dillo web browser for DOS
Hi georg, Out of curiosity, have you any idea how well this browser works with a screen reader? say comparative to lynx? thanks, Karen On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Georg Potthast wrote: I made an alternative to Abiword called FlWriter: http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/FlWriter This can import docx and odt files. Then I made a Desktop for FreeDOS called XFDOS: http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/XFDOS This includes the applications Dillo, FlWriter, a spreadsheet editor, antipaint, mupdf viewer, an image viewer, a personal planner and calender plus further applications. This is a workstation with graphical applications. Georg -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] speaking of these drivers, external hard drives? USB parameters
Hi Bret, While you are here smiles. My situation is different. I wish to use an external usb hard drive for backup purposes. While the driver loads, and seems? to find the device, I cannot well understand the file created explaining just where the drive is. My thought? was that the drive would simply appear as an extra drive letter, allowing me to reformat it, something needful. Thoughts on how the usb driver will present an external hard drive? thanks, Karen On Fri, 22 Mar 2013, Bret Johnson wrote: Unfortunately, the /X parameter is the only one you can really play with that might have any effect. Sorry about that. I'm working on updates to all of the USB drivers, but don't have a lot of time to devote to it. Hopefully, the next version will have problems like these solved. In the meantime, you'll probably either need to use Linux or one of the other DOS USB drivers. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] speaking of these drivers, external hard drives? U SB parameters
Hi Bret, I am not a speed junkie, and the drive will only be connected when I am doing an xcopy style backup. I am in dos 7.1, with my own hard drives as fat 32. I know already though that the external drive is not formatted for dos. Let me run this trick over the weekend and see what I discover. Thanks! Karen On Fri, 22 Mar 2013, Bret Johnson wrote: I wish to use an external usb hard drive for backup purposes. OK, but with my current drivers it will probably be very slow. You may want to try some other drivers if you care about speed (at least for now). While the driver loads, and seems? to find the device, I cannot well understand the file created explaining just where the drive is. After the drive seems to load, do a USBDRIVE S and see what it says. If nothing shows up, we can do some more advanced troubleshooting. My thought? was that the drive would simply appear as an extra drive letter, allowing me to reformat it, something needful. That's basically what should happen, but it depends on how the drive is formatted. It can have multiple partitions (just like a regular hard drive), so could show up as multiple drive letters. Depending on which version of DOS you're using and how the drive is formatted, it may not show up correctly either (e.g., if you're using MS-DOS 6.2, which doesn't support FAT32, and the partition(s) are formatted as FAT32, they won't show up). And, of course, there are some disks that USBDRIVE just doesn't like for one reason or another. Yous can also use partitioning tools, like FDISK, on the USB disks if you want. Thoughts on how the usb driver will present an external hard drive? The program can't tell the difference between a flash drive and a hard drive, so it should look just like a flash drive (assuming you use those). -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos networking and wireless?
Hi Ulrich, Have you double checked if the links you share on the page below are still functional? While the configuration installation file for the cisco aironet line works, the link to the dos utilities for it seems to have moved? Thanks for what you can share, Karen On Tue, 15 Jan 2013, Ulrich Hansen wrote: Am 15.01.2013 um 05:55 schrieb Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net: while I am guessing this is just a matter of finding a driver, thought I would ask if anyone has successfully found a wireless line with drivers? it is for a laptop, and I am not giving up yet on linksys who makes the other this person has...yet. thanks for any on topic experiences, Karen Some years ago I wrote down everything I could find on this matter: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=WiFi Hope this helps. Ulrich -- Master SQL Server Development, Administration, T-SQL, SSAS, SSIS, SSRS and more. Get SQL Server skills now (including 2012) with LearnDevNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only - learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122512 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Dos ocr utility?
Asking if any here know of one off hand? I have a copy of the product Xerox created, and have shared this with the person doing the asking. However here there are were others, and may still be among those creating here? Thanks, Karen -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] 7zip in pure dos?
Hi folks, Can anyone direct me to a pure dos package of 7zip? I need to unzip a file compressed with it. Thanks, Karen -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 7zip in pure dos?
Is this different from the pzip utility I found referenced when I googled 7zip in dos? I am not using freedos, but ms dos 7.1 will it make a difference? I had to laugh as the pzip package requires bz2 for the unzipping, which is something pzip does. Thanks, Karen On Wed, 28 Aug 2013, dmccunney wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi folks, Can anyone direct me to a pure dos package of 7zip? I need to unzip a file compressed with it. The's a DJGPP build as part of FreeDOS, here: http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=7-zip Thanks, Karen __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 7zip in pure dos?
Let me table this discussion where my question is concerned. there is another copy of this program zipped using regular pk zip for dos and as a strict dos port. It is on the same site where I referenced a long time ago the dos ports of mplayer and other dos related desires. You will find a .ZIP of 7ZA for DOS on the same website: http://www.ausreg.com/dos_ports/index.htm Thanks for the other answers, but this option should meet my needs. Karen On Thu, 29 Aug 2013, Bojan Popovic wrote: Hi. On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:34:14 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with tar.whatever files is you must first uncompress the tar file, then extract what you want (and possibly then remove the uncompressed tar file.) Not really. If you use tar for decompression (and not 7za) it will automatically pipe the output of tar to appropriate decompression program. DJGPP ports of GNU tar should have this option too, but I think this will work much better under native Linux (actually any modern Unix with a recent version of GNU or BSD tar). Just type 'tar -xf archive.tar.xz' and you're ok. Of course, you will need to have gzip, bzip2 or xz installed (Should be installed by default in puppy. DOS ports are available from DJGGP file repository). Bojan. -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] seeking bret Johnson.
Hi Bret, seeking some serious help with the usb drive package, which may have been upgraded since I last tried it. far from of interest to anyone on list, so when you see this, do you mind writing me privately? Thanks, Kare in her damsel approaching serious distress outfit! -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] mplayer?
I hope to ask this question very tightly. There is as I shared previously a dos port of mplayer, two of them actually. Anyone here ever use the program with elinks? I may not need this, but am wondering. I will ask about its use with lynx on that list. I might add with links as well, but I suspect if I do it at all it will either be withlynx proper or elinks. thanks, Karen -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134791iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Playing AIFF in DOS
I cannot speak for your computer, what you have chosen for sound how you configure it. Still I know of two programs that will manage the format, a favorite mine actually. first playany, very small audio player includes .aif as its options. if you cannot find it let me know and i can send you a copy. your card must be findable though, with your setting up the program with your specific paramadors. second, mpxplay I have used it to play .aif files for the past three of four editions. The last one in 2012 is a bit buggy from a pure dos dos standpoint, but it can dot the job. Karen On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, David Griffith wrote: Does anyone here know of any good C code for playing AIFF files under DOS? I'm trying to get DOS Frotz modernized, so to speak. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Playing AIFF in DOS
Hi David, I will send both files to you as an attachment. the text file should be no issue. However some services do not allow .exe files to come through. I am doing them one at a time so you can tell me if the program file is missing. Karen On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, David Griffith wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Karen Lewellen wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, David Griffith wrote: Does anyone here know of any good C code for playing AIFF files under DOS? I'm trying to get DOS Frotz modernized, so to speak. I cannot speak for your computer, what you have chosen for sound how you configure it. Still I know of two programs that will manage the format, a favorite mine actually. first playany, very small audio player includes .aif as its options. if you cannot find it let me know and i can send you a copy. your card must be findable though, with your setting up the program with your specific paramadors. second, mpxplay I have used it to play .aif files for the past three of four editions. The last one in 2012 is a bit buggy from a pure dos dos standpoint, but it can dot the job. I tried mpxplay, but I cannot divine the simple single-purpose code that I need. Please send me a copy of playany. I keep getting lots of irrelevant hits, mostly in Russian. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Playing AIFF in DOS
Indeed about gmail. I have loads of fun creating file extensions that fool the system though. nice thing about plain dos. Kare On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, dmccunney wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi David, I will send both files to you as an attachment. the text file should be no issue. However some services do not allow .exe files to come through. Gmail is one such. I've successfully sent EXEs by renaming the EXE extension and wrapping it in a zip file. Receiving is problematic, unless the sender does the same thing. These days, I upload to Google Drive and share the link. Karen __ Dennis -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] xml to text in dos?
Hi all, Yes I can use lynx for this, but am wondering if there is a simple utility? Contrasty, an html reader with which I can manage he same thing? Thanks, Karen -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Playing AIFF in DOS
I shared it was a program. You will have to seek the developer for code. your subject line asked about playing .aif files, not scripting for that goal. On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, David Griffith wrote: I got the files, but not the source code, which is what I'm primarily after. On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi David, I will send both files to you as an attachment. the text file should be no issue. However some services do not allow .exe files to come through. I am doing them one at a time so you can tell me if the program file is missing. Karen On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, David Griffith wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Karen Lewellen wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, David Griffith wrote: Does anyone here know of any good C code for playing AIFF files under DOS? I'm trying to get DOS Frotz modernized, so to speak. I cannot speak for your computer, what you have chosen for sound how you configure it. Still I know of two programs that will manage the format, a favorite mine actually. first playany, very small audio player includes .aif as its options. if you cannot find it let me know and i can send you a copy. your card must be findable though, with your setting up the program with your specific paramadors. second, mpxplay I have used it to play .aif files for the past three of four editions. The last one in 2012 is a bit buggy from a pure dos dos standpoint, but it can dot the job. I tried mpxplay, but I cannot divine the simple single-purpose code that I need. Please send me a copy of playany. I keep getting lots of irrelevant hits, mostly in Russian. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] anything better in pure dos thant his?
Hi folks, I have aquired and set up two removable drives with which I intend backing up the two hard drives in my pure dos machine. I was planning to use xcopy for this, but before I start am wondering if there is anything else? Again although I am not using freedos, my computer only has dos, so any idea should strictly run in this. Thanks, Karen -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] anything better in pure dos thant his?
Hi, I did just join the xxcopy yahoo group, so I can learn if that has any advantages to using xcopy. To be more specific, this time around, I am doing a full backup of both my hard drives. The desire is everything this time around, full directory structure in tact, hidden files and system files since the purpose of using the removables is to give me a way to restore the contents of my computer if anything happens. later on I will simply add the files that have been changed between backup sessions to these removable drives. warm or cold does not make much sense within the context of xcopy and its switches. Any reason why I cannot just do xcopy source drive target drive / all the desired switches? thanks, Karen On Fri, 8 Nov 2013, Louis Santillan wrote: Ghost. Paragon/pts dos' drive backup tools. There used to be a drive image tool in FreeDOS but I don't recall if it was ever finished. Pkzip with disk spanning. 7zip with disk spanning. Tgz/tbz balls with split merge. FD backup. Ms backup. Other backup utils. It depends if you want a warm backup, cold backup, or archive. -L On Friday, November 8, 2013, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.netjavascript:; wrote: I have aquired and set up two removable drives with which I intend backing up the two hard drives in my pure dos machine. I was planning to use xcopy for this, but before I start am wondering if there is anything else? Again although I am not using freedos, my computer only has dos, so any idea should strictly run in this. The only major caveat would be to make sure that you aren't trying to preserve LFNs since almost all XCOPY clones don't support that. Not sure about Win9x nor whether XCOPY32 or whatever would work better. (If you did need LFNs preserved, it would maybe be better to use GNU / DJGPP cp -r or some third-party version like xWCopy.) The other minor problem would be speed, but I'm not sure what would work best. (Presumably loading UIDE, cache + Ultra DMA, would help the most.) I haven't ever really needed to try, so I'm not much help here, but there are other variants like ZCOPY or XXCOPY or whatever. At least one of them (probably ZCOPY) used XMS. Not sure when/if MS-DOS supported anything beyond just conventional memory (or maybe HD swapping), only after MS-DOS 6.00?? Dunno. You could probably also use an archiver (e.g. zip -9Xr d:\backup.zip c:\[untested]) if you really wanted. Anyways, here's some download links if you're curious: 1). http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/xcopy/xwcpy081.zip (BSD; may be limited to 65,000 files at a time) 2). http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/beta/v2gnu/fil41b.zip (GPL, needs 386+ and DPMI, see ../current/v2misc/csdpmi7b.zip if needed) 3). ftp://ftp.sac.sk/sac/utildisk/xclone13.zip (freeware) 4). ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/utilfile/zcopy35.zip (probably not LFN-aware ... oops, non-commercial only without explicit permission, meh) EDIT: Not sure the DOS version of XXCOPY is supported anymore, doesn't look like it, and I can't find any obvious link to the older version. Though it's apparently only for personal, non-commercial use anyways (without extra payment). -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net javascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] anything better in pure dos thant his?
thanks, there are a couple more options, /x for system files and /s for all the sub directories, even if empty...but that looks like the ticket. Kare On Fri, 8 Nov 2013, Chris Evans wrote: Xcopy c:\*.* d:\ /s /e /v On Nov 8, 2013 5:45 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi, I did just join the xxcopy yahoo group, so I can learn if that has any advantages to using xcopy. To be more specific, this time around, I am doing a full backup of both my hard drives. The desire is everything this time around, full directory structure in tact, hidden files and system files since the purpose of using the removables is to give me a way to restore the contents of my computer if anything happens. later on I will simply add the files that have been changed between backup sessions to these removable drives. warm or cold does not make much sense within the context of xcopy and its switches. Any reason why I cannot just do xcopy source drive target drive / all the desired switches? thanks, Karen On Fri, 8 Nov 2013, Louis Santillan wrote: Ghost. Paragon/pts dos' drive backup tools. There used to be a drive image tool in FreeDOS but I don't recall if it was ever finished. Pkzip with disk spanning. 7zip with disk spanning. Tgz/tbz balls with split merge. FD backup. Ms backup. Other backup utils. It depends if you want a warm backup, cold backup, or archive. -L On Friday, November 8, 2013, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.netjavascript:; wrote: I have aquired and set up two removable drives with which I intend backing up the two hard drives in my pure dos machine. I was planning to use xcopy for this, but before I start am wondering if there is anything else? Again although I am not using freedos, my computer only has dos, so any idea should strictly run in this. The only major caveat would be to make sure that you aren't trying to preserve LFNs since almost all XCOPY clones don't support that. Not sure about Win9x nor whether XCOPY32 or whatever would work better. (If you did need LFNs preserved, it would maybe be better to use GNU / DJGPP cp -r or some third-party version like xWCopy.) The other minor problem would be speed, but I'm not sure what would work best. (Presumably loading UIDE, cache + Ultra DMA, would help the most.) I haven't ever really needed to try, so I'm not much help here, but there are other variants like ZCOPY or XXCOPY or whatever. At least one of them (probably ZCOPY) used XMS. Not sure when/if MS-DOS supported anything beyond just conventional memory (or maybe HD swapping), only after MS-DOS 6.00?? Dunno. You could probably also use an archiver (e.g. zip -9Xr d:\backup.zip c:\[untested]) if you really wanted. Anyways, here's some download links if you're curious: 1). http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/xcopy/xwcpy081.zip (BSD; may be limited to 65,000 files at a time) 2). http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/beta/v2gnu/fil41b.zip (GPL, needs 386+ and DPMI, see ../current/v2misc/csdpmi7b.zip if needed) 3). ftp://ftp.sac.sk/sac/utildisk/xclone13.zip (freeware) 4). ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/utilfile/zcopy35.zip (probably not LFN-aware ... oops, non-commercial only without explicit permission, meh) EDIT: Not sure the DOS version of XXCOPY is supported anymore, doesn't look like it, and I can't find any obvious link to the older version. Though it's apparently only for personal, non-commercial use anyways (without extra payment). -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net javascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance
