Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
I use ftpsrv from mTCP and this command on the linux machine curlftpfs username:password@machine ip/DRIVE_C ~/machine name/c ^^ -- View this message in context: http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/How-do-you-transfer-files-to-your-FreeDOS-machine-tp20906p21035.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Hi, On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: I never used RUFUS or UNetBootIn, don't know if I could. Do you have a modern Windows, e.g. XP? And I just blindly assume UNetBootIn could work atop (your) Slackware 13. I was never able to install FreeDOS 1.1 from DOSBox. Not sure how that would potentially work. Since not many computers nowadays use FreeDOS or any other DOS as their only or primary OS, I'd like to be able to install FreeDOS from Linux or BSD. Maybe even MS-Windows or Mac OS X, though that would not be applicable in my case. Here's the problem: what exactly are you trying to install, to where, from what? I assume you mean somehow create and use a raw (bootable, active) FAT32 partition on a physical hard drive (or similar media) from full FD 1.1? For Linux, you could maybe use Eric Auer's old Perl script to help (untested by me, dunno the details): http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/specials/sys-freedos-linux.zip But what about emulators? Maybe just use DOSEMU as good enough. FreeBSD? Dunno what would work best there. VirtualBox (mostly) works there, supposedly, and similar stuff (Bochs, doscmd). I haven't really tested any of that either. Dunno about (ancient) DOSEMU that might've partially worked there at one time. It's probably safe to assume that booting a CD-R with fd11.iso and installing from atop DOS itself is the preferred way to install on native hardware, assuming you have a working CD drive, of course. In short: it mostly depends on what (host or target) installation media you need. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Just a small update: I am not really confident to get NDN FTP working with external sites. If I configure a nameserver in WATTCP.CFG I get Connection Error 10060 instead of 10051. Name resolving is working, but the client fails to make a connection. This seems to be a local problem. I tried this by exposing the local mTCP ftpsrv to the internet. The connection to the same machine in the LAN did work - but over the internet it failed. There wasn't no connection, no handshake, nothing. So at least it worked locally. But it crashed a few times. So at the moment it wouldn't be my favorite way to transfer files to my FreeDOS machine. If anyone had it running once, please send me a note. :-) Am 06.08.2014 um 02:29 schrieb Ulrich my.gr...@mailbox.org: Okay. I got Necromancer's Dos Navigator and its integrated graphical FTP Browser to work - at least for the LAN. (With a connection to two external FTP sites I still get Connection Error 10051) To try this I run two VirtualBox FreeDOS guests. Guest No. 1: I used a plain FreeDOS 1.1 and booted Menu 1 (Jemmex, no EMS) I loaded the VirtualBox packet driver in AUTOEXEC.BAT LH PCNTPK INT=0x60 I downloaded NDN from http://ndn.muxe.com/download/ Version: 2010-03-23 - v2.31.5309 and copied it to C:\NDN I added C:\NDN to my PATH in AUTOEXEC.BAT (don't know exactly if this is necessary) I added a line to C:\NDN\FTP.INI mtcp [2,0,0,0] ftp://user:password@192.168.1.120 I configured a minimal C:\FDOS\WATTCP.CFG my_IP = dhcp gateway = 192.168.1.1 (The line SET WATTCP.CFG=C:\FDOS has to be in AUTOEXEC.BAT) Guest No. 2 I made sure it has the IP address 192.168.1.120 I started mTCP ftpsrv That's it. In Guest No. 1 I start NDN. Then I hit F10 to get into the menu bar. I choose Manager and Change drive left (or just hit ALT-F1) I choose #: FTP-Server I go down the menu until the line mtcp is highlighted and then I hit ENTER. Now NDN connects to mTCP ftpsrv. :-) -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Hi, On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote: The TCP/IP stack used by NDN is somewhat exotic (Sabretooth), I never used it before. Looking at the various changelogs of NDN and Sabretooth I noticed that these guys have put lots of effort into developing their FTP support, so I believe it should work, at least within a limited configuration scope... I just haven't had time to play with it more. Of course it might be also that NDN's FTP support is plain buggy, and we're wasting our time with it, who knows. It's probably just buggy and wasn't fully tested. I wouldn't pin any huge hopes on it. Rugx was mentioning that he got it working fine (I assume it was on FreeDOS?), maybe he could provide some experience pointers here... Unfortunately no. Like I said, I'm terminally useless when it comes to complicated things, and networking is always complicated. So your best bet is one of the following: 1). Check the Sabretooth sources. http://ndn.muxe.com/download/file/stips_1_2_4.rar 2). Ask on BTTR Forum if anyone there has tested (or can further test) it. http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/ 3). Contact Stefan Weber directly. http://www.bnhof.de/~ho1459/ http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=10488#p10561 -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Am 04.08.2014 um 16:10 schrieb Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr: So no reason to be confused, the DOS PC as FTP server is a perfectly valid (and working) solution, just not fitting exactly in my (very personal) needs. The only thing I need to look for now is a user-friendly FTP client I could use from the DOS PC. Currently I use either curl (if I need to fetch) or the wattcp FTP client (if I need to push), but since I discovered the FTP capabilities of the latest NDN (thanks Rugxulo!), I will definitely try to make it work, as it's *exactly* what I was looking for. Too bad it craps on me so far, but this must be some configuration problem - Rugxulo implied it worked for him, so there must be a way to make it work on my PC, too. Does the FTP of NDN really work with plain FreeDOS? After reading the discussion here http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=3628 I have the impression it only works under Win32. Please correct me if I am wrong. Running Far Manager under plain FreeDOS would be VERY interesting - but I wasn't able to get it up quickly. A tutorial or a short HOWTO would be great, if anyone can reproduce the steps mentioned in the link above. The only graphical FTP client for DOS I have working is Minuet (shareware, v18). http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx/minuet/ Just enter the server address in form of ftp-server.somedomain.com and your credentials and you get a horizontal two-pane window. Sounds better than it actually is. At the moment I prefer starting up mTCP ftpsrv and use a GUI client on the OS that actually has a GUI. kind regards Uli -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Enable usb in the bios then load Hamamatsu drivers into your config.sys. Its a driver found on the web. Works very well. Everyone uses it for DOS. It only works for flash memory and usb floppies. If you have RS232 available then you can use xtalk to move file between computers. The DOS On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 15:56:49 +0200 Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr writes: Hi, I see - it still looks like some neat BIOS emulation thing, though. Does it mean that the USB drive must be inserted before booting the PC (even if not booting from the USB drive itself)? I guess you're lucky to have some smart BIOS there ;) Anyway, it's still 'sneakernet-like' technology, which must be tiring when needing to swap files in/out several times a day.. cheers, Mateusz On 08/04/2014 02:59 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: Not booting from USB but reading FLASH on USB as a drive letter like a floppy. I do it all the time. I read the camera flash and play the movies and look at pictures on flash. Flash is usually drive E: Unfornunately you can only read one flash at a time unless you can run DUSE which only works on a Cypress chip set. cheers DS . On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 12:18:58 +0200 Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr writes: Hi all, Thank you all for your replies! I was assuming network transfers only, as this seems the only proper way, and I've been surprised how many of us still use non-networked file transfers methods :) Here below I list all methods that have been mentioned, along with a short comment on each. * Floppies/CD (Zbigniew, Rugxulo) - really slow. floppies are hard to get nowadays. Burning a CD every time I need to transfer a few KiBs of files seems wasteful. * Double boot - either to copy files from one partition to another, or move data using 'modern' means (Matej, Dennis, John) - rebooting into another OS just to copy some files can be a pain.. * Booting from USB as a mean of accessing USB flash drives (Matej, Dale) - as above, requires a reboot to exchange files. plus, not every PC have USB. and these that have it, don't necessarily know how to boot from it. * Running a mTCP FTP server on the DOS machine (Matej, Michael, Ulrich) - this is nice, although I'd prefer keeping the DOS PC as a simple 'client'. * Running a FTP server on remote server, and connecting from DOS via a FTP client (Michael, Rugxulo) - this is definitely my preferred way so far. And it would be perfect if there was a nice FTP client for DOS. There are a few CLI FTP clients already, but using FTP over CLI is not very convenient. A NC-style FTP tool would be awesome. I didn't know about Necromancer DOS Navigator's ability to access FTP drives (mostly because I was using an older version of NDN without this feature) - this looks like the perfect tool. Unfortunately it looks like NDN doesn't like my networking environnement. It's able to connect to my FTP server one time out of 20, and then the connectivity goes down after few seconds anyway. I will have to check this out. Not sure how its TCP/IP stack (SabreTooth) is supposed to be configurable.. * Using a CF-IDE adapter (Alain) - Requires a reboot (or even worse - a halt/change CF/start operation). * Using parallel transfers via winlink (Ulrich) - this sounds nice, but as far as I understand it requires a Win3.x OS on the host computer. And a parallel interface (which I don't have on my laptop). Finally, the FTP method looks like the fastest/most convenient one. Setting up a FTP server on a remote host is easy. Only problem is to have a humanly convenient way to use FTP from within FreeDOS. The latest version (2010) of NDN looks very promising, and it's the only DOS FTP client known to me that presents a user-friendly interface. Unfortunately it's either buggy or incompatible with something I have, or I don't know how to configure its exotic (FreePascal?) networking stack. But definitely worth some investigations! thanks, Mateusz On 08/01/2014 02:23 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: Hello, That's a question to those of you who happen to still keep an oldish hardware machine dedicated to DOS tasks... How do you transfer files between your main computer and your FreeDOS-powered machine ? Myself, I haven't found any really creative solution so far, and rely on one of these: - using the DOS port of SCP (this works both ways, but not very user-friendly) - putting files on my gopher server, and fetching them from my DOS PC using a gopher client (works only if I need to copy files TO the DOS workstation, but not the other way around) Obviously, both solutions are quite annoying. Best would be to have some kind of file manager similar to Norton Commander that
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
My experience with USB sticks in FreeDOS is that the USB stick is treated like a fixed disk: must be in at boot time, and no changing USB sticks. That depends on which drivers you're using. The BIOS, and most DOS USB drivers, do indeed work that way. My drivers treat flash drives as a removable hard drive (quasi-plug-and-play) rather than a fixed hard drive, so you can plug and unplug whenever you want to. My drivers currently have other issues, such as slow speed and support for only USB v1 host controllers manufactured by Intel and Via, but that will eventually get fixed. You can download the drivers from http://bretjohnson.us and try them out. -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
On 08/05/2014 11:47 AM, Ulrich wrote: Does the FTP of NDN really work with plain FreeDOS? After reading the discussion here http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=3628 I have the impression it only works under Win32. Please correct me if I am wrong. I'm sorry to tell you that you are wrong :) Although I couldn't (yet) get it working reliably on my PC, I was able to connect to my FTP server one time, and list its content, which is enough to say that the DOS version of NDN is functional. For me it failed to connect most of the time though, but I believe it's because of some stuff specific to my environment (and I had no time yet to investigate in details). Mateusz -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Am 05.08.2014 um 21:22 schrieb Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr: On 08/05/2014 11:47 AM, Ulrich wrote: Does the FTP of NDN really work with plain FreeDOS? After reading the discussion here http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=3628 I have the impression it only works under Win32. Please correct me if I am wrong. I'm sorry to tell you that you are wrong :) Although I couldn't (yet) get it working reliably on my PC, I was able to connect to my FTP server one time, and list its content, Thanks for the correction. For me it showed Connection Error Socket error 10051 Error code #10051 each time I tried to connect to a FTP server. So I give it another try too. Thanks a lot! :-) -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Hi, On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Zbigniew zbigniew2...@gmail.com wrote: Switching among many startup configurations is something we can't avoid in DOS. I assume you mean CONFIG.SYS menus. The old old days where you needed to rename / copy separate files in order to multi-boot such setups is long gone. (Of course, FreeDOS isn't quite MS or DR compatible here, but who cares?) Though it's hard to organize such things effectively. It's almost an art to keep things minimal, isolated, self-contained ... hence it's actually almost easier to just have separate configs in separate files. I have three main setups (sets of config files): one for RUFUS (USB), one for (not quite) raw, and my main desktop's (menu-based, which I rarely use) setup. I don't know if it would be wise to merge them all. Heck, I don't even reliably have them backed up. Maybe we need a public Git repo or such for popular end user CONFIG + AUTOEXEC files, for example, to help people when setting things up. I have a (very) few examples from years ago, but I never use them. In other words, maybe I'm overthinking it (again), but there's always room for improvement. Obviously if you don't want to have to reboot a lot, keep things separate where you can DEVLOAD drivers (only when needed) or unload TSRs (thus keep all of those at the end, where they won't clash with others). Like I've mentioned before, I don't use JEMM386 at all by default, so if I need it, I just LOAD it at runtime (and UNLOAD when done), thus saving me the (minor) compatibility hassle. Also, my last three TSRs can unload, e.g. CTMOUSE, NNANSI, SHCDX33F ... if I was desperate for more than 600 kb of conventional memory (unlikely). I was pondering one day, whether could be possible to reset DOS without resetting entire machine... it would make such switch much faster. Just some kind of full system reload - similar way as LOADLIN does it - when switching from DOS to Linux without reset. Booting up is already very fast, compared to every other OS. In fact, I think my (Lenovo) BIOS has some kind of switch that boots up slightly faster (can't remember, probably just smaller delay to hit F12 or whatever for General Setup or Select Boot Media). And here's the real reason I'm replying to this email: JEMM's FASTBOOT. It seems this was first implemented back in 2007. See README.TXT's Other Tools (6.2). 6.2. JEMFBHLP JEMFBHLP is a tiny device driver only needed if both FreeDOS and Jemm's FASTBOOT option are used. FreeDOS v1.0 does not provide the information that Jemm needs for FASTBOOT to work, so this driver tries to cure FreeDOS' incapability. It saves the values for interrupt vectors 15h and 19h at 0070h:0100h, which is the MS-DOS compatible way to do it. I was told that in FreeDOS v1.1 this problem has been fixed. Honestly, I never use this. It wasn't that crucial. I don't know how well it works, how bug-free it is. I vaguely think I did enable it way back on my RUFFIDEA disk #3, but again, I don't actively use that anymore. If anybody knows whether the helper tool is still needed (in FD 1.1), feel free to tell us. Yeah yeah, I could reboot and see what happens (crash!), but that doesn't interest me ... much. So no promises, test it yourself! :-P:-) N.B. It warns that (in addition to JEMFBHLP) you may have to set STACKS=0,0 and not move the XBDA. -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Hi, On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: First concern is making FreeDOS bootable, preferably with Syslinux. SYS.COM didn't work, even made the FAT32 file system unreadable. I need to save the first MB by dd from FreeBSD so as to be able to dd back in case the file system is messed up. This may not be the most useful reply. I wish it was easier for things like this as well, but it's not. Anyways, the only two (easy) ways I know of are RUFUS and UNetBootIn. The former requires Windows, and the latter ... dunno, Linux is a given, not sure about FreeBSD. Have you tried (or can you try) both of these two?? Of course, you could always convert a floppy .img to minimal .ISO and burn that to CD, if in a pinch, though I'm not sure that has what you want to run (too small, presumably, unless you only want to do small tests). -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Hi, On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote: How do you transfer files between your main computer and your FreeDOS-powered machine ? FYI Recently I did make an extremely minimal bootable 1.44 MB floppy .img. (.ZIP'd it is less than 400 kb.) It has almost nothing on it, by design, except just enough to enable simple networking (packet driver + mTCP's DHCP + FTP). The point was that you would grab (via network) whatever pieces you need. For lack of a better name, I called it MetaDOS, thus it's meant to build your own floppy (or even indirectly create a hard disk image: fdisk, format, sys), esp. for use with certain emulators, tested successfully (Win7 64-bit) with VirtualBox 4.3.x and (admittedly old) QEMU 0.9.0 and 0.13.0. Maybe this was too obvious or yet another niche. The point was that there's very few files (approx. 25), so very little to constantly update, thus not too much of a burden to chase down and mirror full sources, etc. Oh, BTW, I made a small VISIT.BAT that will anonymously connect to popular FTP (mirror) sites, e.g. simtel, garbo, x2ftp, sac.sk, djgpp, ibiblio. Lots of good stuff there. I don't think a full (FreeDOS) BASE will fit on a single floppy. But I also don't think it's obvious what most people want or need either. We do probably still need a public and reliable floppy .img for FreeDOS. (For pete's sake, QEMU still links to ODIN 2005. And Jim Hall recently removed all of the unofficial floppy images from iBiblio, ugh.) Does literally anybody have any interest in this? Obviously the diehards will roll their own (if haven't already a dozen times over). Jim Michaels? Felix Miata? (I have no idea if a QEMU host binary exists for OS/2. It seems that BOCHS is supposed to work, but I don't actively know what [if any] packet driver would work there. For now, there are only three packet drivers included, and the last is untested. I just blindly assume it could work under VMware as well. Testing every emulator under the sun is infeasible. But obviously the more the merrier.) P.S. I'm also vaguely aware that MTools will allow you to insert files into a disk .img directly, hence no huge need for an emulator, if all you need is to add stuff. Not sure of equivalent DOS-hosted tools, the few I tried in the past were somewhat incomplete or buggy, but some do exist. Further testing or comments on that are also welcome. -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Okay. I got Necromancer's Dos Navigator and its integrated graphical FTP Browser to work - at least for the LAN. (With a connection to two external FTP sites I still get Connection Error 10051) To try this I run two VirtualBox FreeDOS guests. Guest No. 1: I used a plain FreeDOS 1.1 and booted Menu 1 (Jemmex, no EMS) I loaded the VirtualBox packet driver in AUTOEXEC.BAT LH PCNTPK INT=0x60 I downloaded NDN from http://ndn.muxe.com/download/ Version: 2010-03-23 - v2.31.5309 and copied it to C:\NDN I added C:\NDN to my PATH in AUTOEXEC.BAT (don't know exactly if this is necessary) I added a line to C:\NDN\FTP.INI mtcp [2,0,0,0] ftp://user:password@192.168.1.120 I configured a minimal C:\FDOS\WATTCP.CFG my_IP = dhcp gateway = 192.168.1.1 (The line SET WATTCP.CFG=C:\FDOS has to be in AUTOEXEC.BAT) Guest No. 2 I made sure it has the IP address 192.168.1.120 I started mTCP ftpsrv That's it. In Guest No. 1 I start NDN. Then I hit F10 to get into the menu bar. I choose Manager and Change drive left (or just hit ALT-F1) I choose #: FTP-Server I go down the menu until the line mtcp is highlighted and then I hit ENTER. Now NDN connects to mTCP ftpsrv. :-) Am 05.08.2014 um 21:46 schrieb Ulrich my.gr...@mailbox.org: Am 05.08.2014 um 21:22 schrieb Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr: On 08/05/2014 11:47 AM, Ulrich wrote: Does the FTP of NDN really work with plain FreeDOS? After reading the discussion here http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=3628 I have the impression it only works under Win32. Please correct me if I am wrong. I'm sorry to tell you that you are wrong :) Although I couldn't (yet) get it working reliably on my PC, I was able to connect to my FTP server one time, and list its content, Thanks for the correction. For me it showed Connection Error Socket error 10051 Error code #10051 each time I tried to connect to a FTP server. So I give it another try too. Thanks a lot! :-) -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: First concern is making FreeDOS bootable, preferably with Syslinux. SYS.COM didn't work, even made the FAT32 file system unreadable. I need to save the first MB by dd from FreeBSD so as to be able to dd back in case the file system is messed up. Rugxulo responded: This may not be the most useful reply. I wish it was easier for things like this as well, but it's not. Anyways, the only two (easy) ways I know of are RUFUS and UNetBootIn. The former requires Windows, and the latter ... dunno, Linux is a given, not sure about FreeBSD. Have you tried (or can you try) both of these two?? Of course, you could always convert a floppy .img to minimal .ISO and burn that to CD, if in a pinch, though I'm not sure that has what you want to run (too small, presumably, unless you only want to do small tests). I never used RUFUS or UNetBootIn, don't know if I could. But FreeDOS 1.1 is already installed on the USB stick but not directly bootable. I can boot FreeDOS 1.1 from grub4dos but not from grub 2. I can boot grub4dos and some other things I added from modified System Rescue CD USB-stick installation. I also have old Linux Slackware 13.0, FreeBSD 8.2 and NetBSD 5.1_STABLE, and Lilo, on a 40 GB IDE hard drive now in a Sabrent enclosure with IDE and SATA internal interfaces and USB 2.0 and eSATA external interfaces. Lilo menu also includes Plop and grub4dos, and grub 2 floppy image, which is 7 MB, can be booted from grub4dos. I was never able to install FreeDOS 1.1 from DOSBox. Since not many computers nowadays use FreeDOS or any other DOS as their only or primary OS, I'd like to be able to install FreeDOS from Linux or BSD. Maybe even MS-Windows or Mac OS X, though that would not be applicable in my case. Tom -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Depends how many library dependencies it has. And if it uses Linux/win32 specific calls. -- -chris Computer Consultant Repair Tech Digitalatoll Solutions Group (Tawhaki Software) http://digitalatoll.com/ http://tawakisoft.com/ Cell: 916-612-6904 Digitalatoll Social Network http://digitalatoll.com/web/social_net/ Webpage, Email, Cloud FTP Hosting, Custom programming, Computer Repair, and Data Recovery On Aug 4, 2014 4:46 AM, Angel M Alganza a...@ugr.es wrote: Hi, On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 12:18:58PM +0200, Mateusz Viste wrote: [...] Only problem is to have a humanly convenient way to use FTP from within FreeDOS. How hard (if at all possible) would it be to port lftp to FreeDOS? From the Description page on its web site: LFTP is a sophisticated file transfer program with command line interface. It supports FTP, HTTP, FISH, SFTP, HTTPS and FTPS protocols. GNU Readline library is used for input. (http://lftp.yar.ru/desc.html) And it's very humanly convenient, in my opinion. :) Wouldn't it be great to have such a wonderful tool for file transfer on FreeDOS? Cheers, Ángel -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 12:18:58PM +0200, Mateusz Viste wrote: [...] Only problem is to have a humanly convenient way to use FTP from within FreeDOS. How hard (if at all possible) would it be to port lftp to FreeDOS? From the Description page on its web site: LFTP is a sophisticated file transfer program with command line interface. It supports FTP, HTTP, FISH, SFTP, HTTPS and FTPS protocols. GNU Readline library is used for input. (http://lftp.yar.ru/desc.html) And it's very humanly convenient, in my opinion. :) Wouldn't it be great to have such a wonderful tool for file transfer on FreeDOS? Cheers, Ángel -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Not booting from USB but reading FLASH on USB as a drive letter like a floppy. I do it all the time. I read the camera flash and play the movies and look at pictures on flash. Flash is usually drive E: Unfornunately you can only read one flash at a time unless you can run DUSE which only works on a Cypress chip set. cheers DS . On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 12:18:58 +0200 Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr writes: Hi all, Thank you all for your replies! I was assuming network transfers only, as this seems the only proper way, and I've been surprised how many of us still use non-networked file transfers methods :) Here below I list all methods that have been mentioned, along with a short comment on each. * Floppies/CD (Zbigniew, Rugxulo) - really slow. floppies are hard to get nowadays. Burning a CD every time I need to transfer a few KiBs of files seems wasteful. * Double boot - either to copy files from one partition to another, or move data using 'modern' means (Matej, Dennis, John) - rebooting into another OS just to copy some files can be a pain.. * Booting from USB as a mean of accessing USB flash drives (Matej, Dale) - as above, requires a reboot to exchange files. plus, not every PC have USB. and these that have it, don't necessarily know how to boot from it. * Running a mTCP FTP server on the DOS machine (Matej, Michael, Ulrich) - this is nice, although I'd prefer keeping the DOS PC as a simple 'client'. * Running a FTP server on remote server, and connecting from DOS via a FTP client (Michael, Rugxulo) - this is definitely my preferred way so far. And it would be perfect if there was a nice FTP client for DOS. There are a few CLI FTP clients already, but using FTP over CLI is not very convenient. A NC-style FTP tool would be awesome. I didn't know about Necromancer DOS Navigator's ability to access FTP drives (mostly because I was using an older version of NDN without this feature) - this looks like the perfect tool. Unfortunately it looks like NDN doesn't like my networking environnement. It's able to connect to my FTP server one time out of 20, and then the connectivity goes down after few seconds anyway. I will have to check this out. Not sure how its TCP/IP stack (SabreTooth) is supposed to be configurable.. * Using a CF-IDE adapter (Alain) - Requires a reboot (or even worse - a halt/change CF/start operation). * Using parallel transfers via winlink (Ulrich) - this sounds nice, but as far as I understand it requires a Win3.x OS on the host computer. And a parallel interface (which I don't have on my laptop). Finally, the FTP method looks like the fastest/most convenient one. Setting up a FTP server on a remote host is easy. Only problem is to have a humanly convenient way to use FTP from within FreeDOS. The latest version (2010) of NDN looks very promising, and it's the only DOS FTP client known to me that presents a user-friendly interface. Unfortunately it's either buggy or incompatible with something I have, or I don't know how to configure its exotic (FreePascal?) networking stack. But definitely worth some investigations! thanks, Mateusz On 08/01/2014 02:23 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: Hello, That's a question to those of you who happen to still keep an oldish hardware machine dedicated to DOS tasks... How do you transfer files between your main computer and your FreeDOS-powered machine ? Myself, I haven't found any really creative solution so far, and rely on one of these: - using the DOS port of SCP (this works both ways, but not very user-friendly) - putting files on my gopher server, and fetching them from my DOS PC using a gopher client (works only if I need to copy files TO the DOS workstation, but not the other way around) Obviously, both solutions are quite annoying. Best would be to have some kind of file manager similar to Norton Commander that would allow accessing a remote network drive from DOS... Just wondering how others do. Back in old days I was using the LapLink application. It was primarily targeted to serial/parallel file transfers, but IIRC since v5.00 network transfers were supported, too. Anyway, it's not really an option anymore, since it needs a LapLink program running on both sides, so it would still be a nice (although non-free) solution for DOS - DOS transfers, but not if your 'real' workstation is running Linux or FreeBSD (or Windows, but hopefully nobody uses that anymore) ;) Mateusz - - Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future.
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On 8/4/2014 3:18 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: * Running a mTCP FTP server on the DOS machine (Matej, Michael, Ulrich) - this is nice, although I'd prefer keeping the DOS PC as a simple 'client'. I am confused by this. Both the FTP client and FTP server are DOS EXE programs. Why would running the FTP server change the nature of your PC? If you want a minimal solution, a command line FTP client is perfect. If you don't like command line FTP clients, well, better clients for DOS really do not exist. You can run the FTP server on DOS instead and run whatever client you want on your more advanced machines. That's not a terribly compromise to make to take advantage of a solution that works *today*. -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, I see - it still looks like some neat BIOS emulation thing, though. Does it mean that the USB drive must be inserted before booting the PC (even if not booting from the USB drive itself)? I guess you're lucky to have some smart BIOS there ;) Anyway, it's still 'sneakernet-like' technology, which must be tiring when needing to swap files in/out several times a day.. cheers, Mateusz On 08/04/2014 02:59 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: Not booting from USB but reading FLASH on USB as a drive letter like a floppy. I do it all the time. I read the camera flash and play the movies and look at pictures on flash. Flash is usually drive E: Unfornunately you can only read one flash at a time unless you can run DUSE which only works on a Cypress chip set. cheers DS . On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 12:18:58 +0200 Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr writes: Hi all, Thank you all for your replies! I was assuming network transfers only, as this seems the only proper way, and I've been surprised how many of us still use non-networked file transfers methods :) Here below I list all methods that have been mentioned, along with a short comment on each. * Floppies/CD (Zbigniew, Rugxulo) - really slow. floppies are hard to get nowadays. Burning a CD every time I need to transfer a few KiBs of files seems wasteful. * Double boot - either to copy files from one partition to another, or move data using 'modern' means (Matej, Dennis, John) - rebooting into another OS just to copy some files can be a pain.. * Booting from USB as a mean of accessing USB flash drives (Matej, Dale) - as above, requires a reboot to exchange files. plus, not every PC have USB. and these that have it, don't necessarily know how to boot from it. * Running a mTCP FTP server on the DOS machine (Matej, Michael, Ulrich) - this is nice, although I'd prefer keeping the DOS PC as a simple 'client'. * Running a FTP server on remote server, and connecting from DOS via a FTP client (Michael, Rugxulo) - this is definitely my preferred way so far. And it would be perfect if there was a nice FTP client for DOS. There are a few CLI FTP clients already, but using FTP over CLI is not very convenient. A NC-style FTP tool would be awesome. I didn't know about Necromancer DOS Navigator's ability to access FTP drives (mostly because I was using an older version of NDN without this feature) - this looks like the perfect tool. Unfortunately it looks like NDN doesn't like my networking environnement. It's able to connect to my FTP server one time out of 20, and then the connectivity goes down after few seconds anyway. I will have to check this out. Not sure how its TCP/IP stack (SabreTooth) is supposed to be configurable.. * Using a CF-IDE adapter (Alain) - Requires a reboot (or even worse - a halt/change CF/start operation). * Using parallel transfers via winlink (Ulrich) - this sounds nice, but as far as I understand it requires a Win3.x OS on the host computer. And a parallel interface (which I don't have on my laptop). Finally, the FTP method looks like the fastest/most convenient one. Setting up a FTP server on a remote host is easy. Only problem is to have a humanly convenient way to use FTP from within FreeDOS. The latest version (2010) of NDN looks very promising, and it's the only DOS FTP client known to me that presents a user-friendly interface. Unfortunately it's either buggy or incompatible with something I have, or I don't know how to configure its exotic (FreePascal?) networking stack. But definitely worth some investigations! thanks, Mateusz On 08/01/2014 02:23 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: Hello, That's a question to those of you who happen to still keep an oldish hardware machine dedicated to DOS tasks... How do you transfer files between your main computer and your FreeDOS-powered machine ? Myself, I haven't found any really creative solution so far, and rely on one of these: - using the DOS port of SCP (this works both ways, but not very user-friendly) - putting files on my gopher server, and fetching them from my DOS PC using a gopher client (works only if I need to copy files TO the DOS workstation, but not the other way around) Obviously, both solutions are quite annoying. Best would be to have some kind of file manager similar to Norton Commander that would allow accessing a remote network drive from DOS... Just wondering how others do. Back in old days I was using the LapLink application. It was primarily targeted to serial/parallel file transfers, but IIRC since v5.00 network transfers were supported, too. Anyway, it's not really an option anymore, since it needs a LapLink program running on both sides, so it would still be a nice (although non-free) solution for DOS - DOS transfers, but not if your 'real' workstation is running Linux or FreeBSD (or Windows, but hopefully nobody uses that
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Hi Mike, Yes, of course it's a totally cool solution. The problem is purely conceptual - I already have a host that acts as a server for many things, and have configured a local anonymous FTP server on it, so I'd prefer to use this. The DOS computer, like all other user-handled computers at home, have a DHCP address, and doesn't get the same IP all the time (sure, I could set a static lease for the DOS computer...). Also, when I'm playing with the DOS machine, I usually prefer not to move around the house from one PC to another, and just sit behind the DOS machine, having access to whatever I need. So no reason to be confused, the DOS PC as FTP server is a perfectly valid (and working) solution, just not fitting exactly in my (very personal) needs. The only thing I need to look for now is a user-friendly FTP client I could use from the DOS PC. Currently I use either curl (if I need to fetch) or the wattcp FTP client (if I need to push), but since I discovered the FTP capabilities of the latest NDN (thanks Rugxulo!), I will definitely try to make it work, as it's *exactly* what I was looking for. Too bad it craps on me so far, but this must be some configuration problem - Rugxulo implied it worked for him, so there must be a way to make it work on my PC, too. BTW, I also tried the FTP client that comes with mTCP, but it proved to be hardly useable on my PC. Dunno what's wrong, the symptom is that it reacts very poorly to keyboard input, at every keypress, I have to wait like 1s or 2 for the character to appear on the screen. Typing the anonymous login itself is quite frustrating already, not talking about any further get/put/ls magic. Any idea why it's behaving this way? (this might be a subject better suited offlist, if you'd like me to perform any debugging steps, which I'll be glad to follow, if you think there's a point to look for some bug there). cheers, Mateusz On 08/04/2014 03:26 PM, Michael B. Brutman wrote: On 8/4/2014 3:18 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: * Running a mTCP FTP server on the DOS machine (Matej, Michael, Ulrich) - this is nice, although I'd prefer keeping the DOS PC as a simple 'client'. I am confused by this. Both the FTP client and FTP server are DOS EXE programs. Why would running the FTP server change the nature of your PC? If you want a minimal solution, a command line FTP client is perfect. If you don't like command line FTP clients, well, better clients for DOS really do not exist. You can run the FTP server on DOS instead and run whatever client you want on your more advanced machines. That's not a terribly compromise to make to take advantage of a solution that works *today*. -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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2014-08-04 12:18 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr: Here below I list all methods that have been mentioned, along with a short comment on each. * Floppies/CD (Zbigniew, Rugxulo) - really slow. floppies are hard to get nowadays. Burning a CD every time I need to transfer a few KiBs of files seems wasteful. Still you can use ZIP/LS-floppies: 100 MB of place (no need for burning) means a lot of space for DOS-programs/data. * Running a FTP server on remote server, and connecting from DOS via a FTP client (Michael, Rugxulo) - this is definitely my preferred way so far. And is it really more convenient to type all these FTP commands - than just mounting a Samba share, and simply using another drive letter in VC or DN? ;) Well, it's your taste. -- regards, Zbigniew -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On 08/04/2014 04:10 PM, Zbigniew wrote: Still you can use ZIP/LS-floppies: 100 MB of place (no need for burning) means a lot of space for DOS-programs/data. Yes, the place is not a problem itself, but if/when I need to synch files a few times a day between my PCes, only networked transfers are an option, as swapping disks/CDs/flash drives in and out between the two machines is causing quite a time overhead. However, ZIP was a really cool thing back in 1996 :) (I even had a ZIP drive back then! but only one or two diskettes, the price of diskettes was prohibitive, at least in Poland, and at least for me, at that time) And is it really more convenient to type all these FTP commands - than just mounting a Samba share, and simply using another drive letter in VC or DN? ;) Well, it's your taste. Well, it's clearly not :) That's why I am highly interesting now in making NDN's FTP support working on my PC, since it looks like the perfect solution. A samba share is another very valid approach, although IIRC there's not much 'free' alternatives there, and the only serious driver (from MS) consumes lots of conventional memory which I'd prefer to keep for other usages... Mateusz -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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2014-08-04 16:23 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr: A samba share is another very valid approach, although IIRC there's not much 'free' alternatives there, and the only serious driver (from MS) consumes lots of conventional memory which I'd prefer to keep for other usages... Switching among many startup configurations is something we can't avoid in DOS. I was pondering one day, whether could be possible to reset DOS without resetting entire machine... it would make such switch much faster. Just some kind of full system reload - similar way as LOADLIN does it - when switching from DOS to Linux without reset. -- Z. -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Zbigniew zbigniew2...@gmail.com wrote: Switching among many startup configurations is something we can't avoid in DOS. I was pondering one day, whether could be possible to reset DOS without resetting entire machine... it would make such switch much faster. Just some kind of full system reload - similar way as LOADLIN does it - when switching from DOS to Linux without reset. I approximated that years back. I had Unix machine at home before I got a DOS PC, and spent some time getting the PC set up as much like Unix as possible. I found a package called the MKS Toolkit from MKS Systems in Canada. The Toolkit had DOS versions of all of the standard Unix utilities that made sense in a single user, single tasking environment like DOS. What sold me was a complete implementation of the Unix Korn shell. (It had everything save asynchronous background processes.) Running in the MKS environment, you had to dig a bit to see you *weren't* on a UNIX machine. I was able to implement a passable version of the Unix LP print spooler with the DOS PRINT command and some Korn shell aliases and functions. When you ran the Toolkit in fullest Unix compatibility mode, COMMAND.COM was replaced as the boot shell by the Toolkit's INIT.EXE. Drivers were loaded in CONFIG.SYS, then INIT. It printed a Login: prompt on the screen. Login, and the ID was passes to LOGIN, which looked in a Unix compatible /etc/passwd file. If it found a match, the PC changed to whatever was specified as that ID's home directory, and ran whatever was listed as the ID's shell. Exit from that program, and INIT was reloeaded, waiting for another login. I loaded my RAMdisk, disk cache, and mouse driver in CONFIG.SYS to be common to all environments. Userids were set to load the MKS Korn shell, 4DOS, vanilla COMMAND.COM, and DesqView. I could switch environments without rebooting - just exit the shell I was using and log in with a different ID. When I started using Windows 3.1, the Toolkit stayed in the mix. The default shell for Win 3.1 was Program Manager, but you could change it to use something else in Window's SYSTEM.INI file, and a number of freeware and shareware Program Manager rep[lacements existed. I had MKS IDs that would copy a custom version of SYSTEM.INI specifying the desired alternate Win 3.1 shell over the main one, then run Windows. (Or not run Windows at all, and load one of the CLI environments.) Z. __ Dennis -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi Bret, Of course most human problems can be avoided with good organization and procedures. Most of my file exchanging needs could be aggregated into blocks I could schedule. But I'd prefer to avoid such ultra-organization during my hobby time :) Anyway, there's one very specific case that I would be unable to avoid: testing my own software. I'm developing on a non-FreeDOS OS (Linux + DOSemu), because it's much more comfortable than anything under DOS. But during testing, I always run my software under a real FreeDOS PC. And testing always means 'plenty of incremental micro-fixes'... and there appears the need of simple fast file moving across two computers (but that's definitely not the only situation it comes handy to transfer files in/out of DOS PC). But now that I (re)discovered Necromancer's DOS Navigator, I believe all my problems are gone. cheers, Mateusz On 08/04/2014 06:03 PM, Bret Johnson wrote: ... but if/when I need to synch files a few times a day between my PCes ... I obviously don't understand your precise situation, but is it possible to change your procedures so that you don't need to sync the PC's multiple times a day? That is, just do the syncing once a day/week when you aren't working on something (e.g., when you turn the computer off/on), or set up one of the PC's as a file server and always work on files from the server so you only have one copy of them, or ...? I realize that doesn't solve the general problem of figuring out better ways to do file transfers networking in DOS, but may help in your particular scenario. -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
On 8/4/2014 7:10 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: BTW, I also tried the FTP client that comes with mTCP, but it proved to be hardly useable on my PC. Dunno what's wrong, the symptom is that it reacts very poorly to keyboard input, at every keypress, I have to wait like 1s or 2 for the character to appear on the screen. Typing the anonymous login itself is quite frustrating already, not talking about any further get/put/ls magic. Any idea why it's behaving this way? (this might be a subject better suited offlist, if you'd like me to perform any debugging steps, which I'll be glad to follow, if you think there's a point to look for some bug there). How about sending a bug report? I make it so easy for people to tell me when something is not quite right, but I never get bug reports ... It works perfectly on 8088 class machines, which is as slow as you can get. So to figure out what is wrong in your environment I would like to know the brand/type of machine, the date on the BIOS, which version of DOS (FreeDOS I assume), and any TSRs that you have loaded - especially ones related to power management. One of the DOS power management TSRs had a bad side effect that resembled what you described. mTCP generally uses BIOS routines for handling the keyboard. This is generally very reliable and fast. Mike -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Not booting from USB but reading FLASH on USB as a drive letter like a floppy. I do it all the time. I read the camera flash and play the movies and look at pictures on flash. Flash is usually drive E: Unfornunately you can only read one flash at a time unless you can run DUSE which only works on a Cypress chip set. cheers DS My experience with USB sticks in FreeDOS is that the USB stick is treated like a fixed disk: must be in at boot time, and no changing USB sticks. USB stick does not get a drive letter if file system is other than FAT (16 or 32). I have some USB sticks with Linux (ext2fs) or BSD (ffs aka UFS) file systems. I was able to boot FreeDOS with Syslinux, but don't know if I can set that up again. Tom -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! Reboot your WinForms applications with our WinForms controls. Build a bridge from your legacy apps to the future. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=153845071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Am 01.08.2014 um 14:23 schrieb Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr: That's a question to those of you who happen to still keep an oldish hardware machine dedicated to DOS tasks... How do you transfer files between your main computer and your FreeDOS-powered machine ? Myself, I haven't found any really creative solution so far, and rely on one of these: - using the DOS port of SCP (this works both ways, but not very user-friendly) - putting files on my gopher server, and fetching them from my DOS PC using a gopher client (works only if I need to copy files TO the DOS workstation, but not the other way around) This is always a good question. :-) My oldish machine is a Compaq Contura Aero from 1994. When it wasn't quite so oldish I used to transfer files over the LPT parallel port with a software called winlink. (Despite of its name there was a Windows 3.1 AND a DOS version of it.) It's comparable to laplink or filemaven. (Who created these names by the way? ;-).) It came also with a 3,5 floppy drive connected over a PCMCIA adapter (which doesn't work on other computers PCMCIA slots). Now floppies and LPT parallel ports are history. In the end, the 16bit PCMCIA slot of the Contura Aero turned out to be the best way to connect to modern machines. There are still 16bit PCMCIA network cards available. My favorite is the D-Link DFE-670TXD, which comes with a packet driver for DOS. So that means networking. And of course this opens a lot of ways to exchange files, even for FreeDOS :-) For me, the most exotic ways was IPXCOPY. See: http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/message/25743826/ Normally I set up a DOS FTP server and then make a connection with a FTP client on my main computer (which is a mac BTW). First I used some freeware called EZNOS2, but it didn't work reliable for me. Then I found a company called Datalight, who are still distributing their ftpd program for non-commercial use. For details see: http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/message/20246025/ FreeDOS now comes with the FTP server from Michael B. Brutmans mTCP apps, which is robust, reliable and Free Software. So this is the way to go for me, whenever I like to startup FreeDOS and exchange files. (Although I do this in a virtual machine most of the time and leave the Compaq Contura Aero in the basement... ;-)) kind regards Uli -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
I guess I'll jump into this ... We have a DOS network (Little Big LAN - excellent) which connects our DOS computers. One of the nodes is a computer in my office running DOS and Linux (Ubuntu). Normally this computer is booting into the DOS partition. We have backup routines (batch files) that backup data only (full backup, not incremental) to the DOS Linux computer. I then boot this computer into Linux occasionally to move these backup files to a DVD-RAM disk on this computer. Of course the data is encrypted when it is move from the DOS FAT32 partition to the DVD-RAM disk. If I want to move this data to the Linux (Ubuntu) only box in my office, I use the DVD-RAM media to copy it to my Linux box. John -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:23:41 +0200, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote: That's a question to those of you who happen to still keep an oldish hardware machine dedicated to DOS tasks... I usually don't (I triple-boot between FreeDOS, Haiku, and Windows on my main PC), but when I do transfer files between a DOS and non-DOS computer, I use one of the following: 1. Serial cable and Zmodem at 115200 bits per second. This is only good for small transfers though, usually I have to compress things first. 2. If the DOS computer (usually a laptop) booted DOS from a USB device, unplug it, connect it to the other computer, transfer files, and connect it to the DOS computer again to the same port. A DIR command should then show the changed directory. Sometimes a reboot is needed though. 3. Temporarily run mTCP FTPSERV on the DOS computer. Configure an FTP user so that it gives you access to all drives. Then use an FTP client on the other computer. -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
mTCP provides three options: - an FTP client for DOS. Not point and click user friendly, but it does what it is supposed to do. - HTGET for downloading a file from an HTTP server - an FTP server for DOS. This allows you to use a graphical FTP client on another machine. For when I want real drive letter access I use MS LANMAN. Mike -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Usb and flash chips work well on DOS. Load your files on a flash chip. A little work in moving the chip around but should work unless you don't have usb. cheers DS On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:23:41 +0200 Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr writes: Hello, That's a question to those of you who happen to still keep an oldish hardware machine dedicated to DOS tasks... How do you transfer files between your main computer and your FreeDOS-powered machine ? Myself, I haven't found any really creative solution so far, and rely on one of these: - using the DOS port of SCP (this works both ways, but not very user-friendly) - putting files on my gopher server, and fetching them from my DOS PC using a gopher client (works only if I need to copy files TO the DOS workstation, but not the other way around) Obviously, both solutions are quite annoying. Best would be to have some kind of file manager similar to Norton Commander that would allow accessing a remote network drive from DOS... Just wondering how others do. Back in old days I was using the LapLink application. It was primarily targeted to serial/parallel file transfers, but IIRC since v5.00 network transfers were supported, too. Anyway, it's not really an option anymore, since it needs a LapLink program running on both sides, so it would still be a nice (although non-free) solution for DOS - DOS transfers, but not if your 'real' workstation is running Linux or FreeBSD (or Windows, but hopefully nobody uses that anymore) ;) Mateusz - - Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Insurance Agents Outraged 2014 - If you drive 50 mi/day or less you better read this... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/53dba3981743423980625mp04duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
In my case, the FreeDOS box is an ancient notebook that multi-boots Win2K Pro, a couple of flavors of Linux, and FreeDOS. Getting stuff on the FreeDOS slice is a copy and paste from Win2K or Linux. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine
Hi, On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote: That's a question to those of you who happen to still keep an oldish hardware machine dedicated to DOS tasks... How do you transfer files between your main computer and your FreeDOS-powered machine ? For my P166, I used to just use a floppy (sneakernet?) to store things, but eventually I gave up on that machine (overall hardware failures). Myself, I haven't found any really creative solution so far, and rely on one of these: - using the DOS port of SCP (this works both ways, but not very user-friendly) - putting files on my gopher server, and fetching them from my DOS PC using a gopher client (works only if I need to copy files TO the DOS workstation, but not the other way around) Obviously, both solutions are quite annoying. Best would be to have some kind of file manager similar to Norton Commander that would allow accessing a remote network drive from DOS... I admit to being a noob regarding null modem cables and whatnot, so I've never tried that. However, I think software like File Maven was able to support such things properly in DOS: https://www.briggsoft.com/fmdos.htm Also, it's been a few years, and again, I'm a noob at networking overall, so I relied on my brother to setup an FTP server on the main PC where I would often connect and grab files via that. (Not a DOS machine, but it was my old 32-bit Vista laptop with NTVDM, close enough.) So I ended up using NDN (Necromancer's DOS Navigator) with its #: drive or whatever. Just wondering how others do. Back in old days I was using the LapLink application. It was primarily targeted to serial/parallel file transfers, but IIRC since v5.00 network transfers were supported, too. Anyway, it's not really an option anymore, since it needs a LapLink program running on both sides, so it would still be a nice (although non-free) solution for DOS - DOS transfers, but not if your 'real' workstation is running Linux or FreeBSD (or Windows, but hopefully nobody uses that anymore) ;) Dunno, there's probably lots of ways to accomplish it. Admittedly, it is easier to just use modern (and dual boot or copy to USB, as others already mentioned). -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
